View Full Version : North Korea Wants to Kill Us All - Thoughts?
Sexy Celebrity
08-08-17, 05:09 PM
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My thoughts: everything the dude on the left is wearing is ill-fitting. Which is oddly pleasing.
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 05:28 PM
Sorry, discussions about terrorism aren't permitted on this site.
Sorry, discussions about terrorism aren't permitted on this site.
This isn't terrorism. Also, the above isn't, strictly speaking, true.
earlsmoviepicks
08-08-17, 05:39 PM
I wanna see this guy dressed for a party
I never found any of this concerning until i heard Americans are banned from travelling to NK now. Dunno why that did it and not the nukes and sanctions and tourists being beaten to death and stuff. Overall i still don't find it that concerning, it's the thing everyone always says but i just can't see NK deciding to attack America, it would be suicide.
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 05:59 PM
This isn't terrorism. Also, the above isn't, strictly speaking, true.
I know. I just used the word terrorism because I didn't want to state the ideology that is truly frowned upon discussing here. ;)
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 06:01 PM
I never found any of this concerning until i heard Americans are banned from travelling to NK now. Dunno why that did it and not the nukes and sanctions and tourists being beaten to death and stuff. Overall i still don't find it that concerning, it's the thing everyone always says but i just can't see NK deciding to attack America, it would be suicide.
Hey, it could just be a Wag the Dog / Canadian Bacon scenario cooked up by the Trump administration (...this suggestion for all the Trump haters).
I know. I just used the word terrorism because I didn't want to state the ideology that is truly frowned upon discussing here. ;)
That makes even less sense, then, because the ideology you're referring to has no relation to this topic.
Don't know what Wag the Dog or Canadian Bacon are and that's not what i was suggesting. I don't think stopping travel to North Korea was necessarily a bad thing as it's obviously a dangerous place for foreigners.
Don't know what Wag the Dog or Canadian Bacon
They're two movies about invented or exaggerated wars.
They're two movies about invented or exaggerated wars.
I've actually heard of the former but i wasn't aware of what it was exactly.
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 06:11 PM
That makes even less sense, then, because the ideology you're referring to has no relation to this topic.
I know. I'm not here to make sense, I'm here to be sarcastic! ;)
Don't mind me.
Anyway, good job on clarifying the movie references.
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 06:17 PM
Don't know what Wag the Dog or Canadian Bacon are and that's not what i was suggesting. I don't think stopping travel to North Korea was necessarily a bad thing as it's obviously a dangerous place for foreigners.
I know you weren't suggesting it, Camo, but the thought occurred to me when I realized that wars (usually those in retaliation to attacks) usually put a President in a good light and raise their approval ratings.
In both those movies, this is realized by the administrations and therefore, other nations are made to look aggressive and a war is concocted to promote the residing President's popularity.
Mesmerized
08-08-17, 08:37 PM
I never found any of this concerning until i heard Americans are banned from travelling to NK now.
Oh darn. I'll have to change my vacation plans.
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 08:37 PM
Just wondering... let's say NK takes Guam out with a nuclear missile... would we immediately just obliterate NK with nukes? What about nuclear radiation and fallout? What about the countries (and people), including our allies to the south, that border NK?
Or - would we just obliterate the entire country of NK with non-nuclear weapons over the course of a couple weeks?
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 08:38 PM
Oh darn. I'll have to change my vacation plans.
I hear Guam is really nice this time of year!
Good going SC, i'm pretty sure this thread was the final straw.
Captain Steel
08-08-17, 08:40 PM
Good going SC, i'm pretty sure this thread was the final straw.
Why? Is Kim Jong Un a MoFo?
Mesmerized
08-08-17, 09:08 PM
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=33294&stc=1&d=1502234986
They all look so happy.
Only for the moment. History has proven that moments like these are short lived.
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They look happy because they have total control over what photos are taken and released by their state-controlled media. They can, as a group, do the governmental equivalent of taking fifty selfies until they decide one of them is good enough to "post."
doubledenim
08-08-17, 10:25 PM
I'll worry about this one when it happens.
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 12:54 AM
One word: Preemptive Strike
OK, that was two words, but Trump will understand;)
Sexy Celebrity
08-09-17, 01:03 AM
They look happy because they have total control over what photos are taken and released by their state-controlled media. They can, as a group, do the governmental equivalent of taking fifty selfies until they decide one of them is good enough to "post."
If that's true, that's very creepy. The idea that these might all be fake smiles - people standing around, trying to get their smiles just right for a publicity photo. The cameras snapping over and over again, Kim Jong and his crew breaking from their big smiles during a momentary break. Doing it all just to convey strength, power, happiness, whatever they're trying to get across.
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=33294&stc=1&d=1502234986
Mr Minio
08-09-17, 01:18 AM
Welcome back, Sexy.
Captain Steel
08-09-17, 02:38 AM
One word: Preemptive Strike
OK, that was two words, but Trump will understand;)
You may be giving him more credit than he's due - I don't know if he's advanced to the understandingment of multi-word terms yet! ;)
Captain Steel
08-09-17, 02:41 AM
If that's true, that's very creepy. The idea that these might all be fake smiles - people standing around, trying to get their smiles just right for a publicity photo. The cameras snapping over and over again, Kim Jong and his crew breaking from their big smiles during a momentary break. Doing it all just to convey strength, power, happiness, whatever they're trying to get across.
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=33294&stc=1&d=1502234986
It makes sense based on other news from the country - such as the reports that the people are forced to show sorrow and cry at the passing of the former rulers and if they don't, they'll be shot (so they all cry hysterically even though most of them are glad when one of the Kims die).
Sorry, discussions about terrorism aren't permitted on this site.
Discussions about terror attacks disturb the well ordered life of some people on the forum , you know.......
Based on the frequency of these complaints (and how they get brought up even in topics that are completely unrelated), it seems to me it's not constantly discussing them that disturbs some people's lives.
most of them are glad when one of the Kims die).
Personally i don't think that's completely true. You're right about them having to show more grief when one of them dies, the scenes from the streets during his funeral where unreal. Everything they know is filtered through the state run news agencies though, and has been for well over 60 years. They're told that the Kims are keeping them safe from all of their evil enemies, that NK is the mightiest nation on earth, that everyone else is worse off than them, etc. When the information you get is twisted like that for so long and you can't see the rest of the world and what's going on it would be easy to believe what you are being told and most likely you would be grateful to the Kims and thankful you are a North Korean since you are being told everyone else is struggling more.
I definitely think some of them won't be brainwashed this way but i'm not sure i'd say most or i would have expected some visible uprising by now.
Based on the frequency of these complaints (and how they get brought up even in topics that are completely unrelated), it seems to me it's not constantly discussing them that disturbs some people's lives.
We ( the complainants ) are ready to not discuss them.....provided the terror attacks don't occur at all . But if they do occur , then it's a pity that they can't be discussed.
They are being discussed in a completely unrelated thread right now because some are deeply obsessed with them.
They are being discussed in a completely unrelated thread right now because some are deeply obsessed with them.
It's a topic worth getting obsessed over---the future collapse of civilization being brought about by the Islamic hordes. Only the obsessed people are in touch with the reality of the future while the others are in la la land .
cat_sidhe
08-09-17, 09:35 AM
Thank you. I hear this practically every day.
Sorry to derail for a moment, but do you ever change your profile pic to Ben Affleck?
Asking for a friend. :blush:
It's a topic worth getting obsessed over---the future collapse of civilization being brought about by the Islamic hordes.
The problem with this is that you seem to equate talking about it with fixing it, so that you only have to demonstrate how serious the problem is in order to justify talking about it constantly. But that's a non-sequitur. I pointed this out to you last time (more than once), and you never really addressed it.
This thread has nothing to do with terrorism or Islam. Period. Therefore, this discussion is off-topic. If you want to relitigate all the same complaints as before, there are threads for that. It certainly doesn't go here, though.
I am hoping that all of you including the women vote for those who want to keep out Muslims in your respective countries. My repeated posts are directed towards that. Unimportant person that I am, that is all I can do .
Admittedly I have got only notoriety because of that . No one wished me on my birthday on 4th July like they did for past couple of years because now I am the 'terrorist' of the forum.
No one wished me on my birthday on 4th July like they did for past couple of years because now I am the 'terrorist' of the forum.
This is pretty sad. I didn't see your birthday then (think i might have been in exile then?) or i would have made you a thread. You have the same birthday as my best friend, my nephew and America by the way!
That day I saw 'the interview' . Really funny movie on assassination of the North Korean dictator. And this comment is coming from me----a person not easily impressed by comedy . Some of the wisecracks left me splits .
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895254168570605568
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895254168570605568
Better that America remain the most powerful country than China becoming that . At the moment as I am posting Chinese troops are once more in a standoff with Indian troops on the Himalayan border.
cat_sidhe
08-09-17, 12:17 PM
Admittedly I have got only notoriety because of that . No one wished me on my birthday on 4th July like they did for past couple of years because now I am the 'terrorist' of the forum.
Nobody here wished me either (except the one who has me on FB - I may not have that on display, not sure. Doesn't matter, I suppose. Nobody knows me well enough yet to give a crap about my birthday. :lol:). Maybe your need to talk about terrorism isn't the reason, and maybe people were just busy that day, it being the 4th of July and all... On mobile, thta part doesn't show. I only see the birthdays when I'm on the desktop.
We'll make up for it next year.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895254168570605568
https://twitter.com/ktumulty/status/895254297042178048
:rotfl:
Happy Birthday Ash and Cat! :)
Citizen Rules
08-09-17, 12:51 PM
I guess no one takes Trump seriously? Even when he says he'll rain fire down on North Korea (or whatever his exact words were.)....I think it's a serious situation and living on the west coast of America this could effect me.
Many Americans think the threat of nuclear attack is reduced since the fall of the Soviet Union. Hell, with all these small nations acquiring nuclear capabilities, especially a dictatorship like N. Korea run by a nut, the world is more at risk than ever.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.3953322.1485450491!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/doomsday-clock.jpg
doubledenim
08-09-17, 02:05 PM
I won't act like the U.S. is untouchable....
But for everybody that thinks we can't intercept a missile over the Pacific, we have bigger issues than N. Korea.
Stirchley
08-09-17, 03:47 PM
I never found any of this concerning until i heard Americans are banned from travelling to NK now.
Oh poop. Gonna have to be Bermuda again then.
I regret to inform you that Mesmerized already made that joke.
Stirchley
08-09-17, 04:04 PM
I regret to inform you that Mesmerized already made that joke.
I know. I read it, but mine is funnier. At least to me.
ash_is_the_gal
08-09-17, 04:35 PM
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The Gunslinger45
08-09-17, 10:08 PM
A nuclear North Korea is a huge threat to the US. This is also a problem for China as this would mean Japan and South Korea are going to want nukes too. And that is not what China wants. To be surrounded by nations with nukes. For a while it is was just Russia, India, and Pakistan. And India and Pakistan are more interested in each other.
North Korea's nuclear program would mean Seoul and Tokyo feeling more then a bit threatened and wanting nukes of their own. And with the crackpot in charge of North Korea, nuclear war might be a reality because some fat f**k Mao wannabe wants to prove he actually possesses a penis.
CUE THE MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY
Sexy Celebrity
08-10-17, 12:18 AM
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=33341&stc=1&d=1502335077
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=33342&stc=1&d=1502335080
Sexy Celebrity
08-10-17, 12:22 AM
Sorry to derail for a moment, but do you ever change your profile pic to Ben Affleck?
Asking for a friend. :blush:
Yes, sometimes. Here you go.
North Korea (the leadership - not the people) reminds me of Joffery from GOT.
They need to be "Tyrion slapped".
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&tbm=isch&q=tyrion+slapped&chips=q:tyrion+slap,g_1:animated+gif&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTj6br68vVAhVDjlQKHT07B5YQ4lYIKSgA&biw=1920&bih=950&dpr=1#imgrc=zgWzP6kdgIlVrM:
cat_sidhe
08-10-17, 05:32 AM
Sorry to derail for a moment, but do you ever change your profile pic to Ben Affleck?
Asking for a friend. :blush:
Yes, sometimes. Here you go.
http://tazeen.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ovaries-2.gif
Sexy Celebrity
08-10-17, 12:04 PM
http://tazeen.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ovaries-2.gif
Uh oh! Did North Korea get 'em?
cat_sidhe
08-10-17, 01:08 PM
Uh oh! Did North Korea get 'em?
See? Objectifying your profile pic leads us back on topic!
(and if North Korea looks like Ben Affleck, it can totally get 'em! :D)
Guaporense
08-10-17, 11:02 PM
A nuclear North Korea is a huge threat to the US. This is also a problem for China as this would mean Japan and South Korea are going to want nukes too. And that is not what China wants. To be surrounded by nations with nukes. For a while it is was just Russia, India, and Pakistan. And India and Pakistan are more interested in each other.
North Korea's nuclear program would mean Seoul and Tokyo feeling more then a bit threatened and wanting nukes of their own. And with the crackpot in charge of North Korea, nuclear war might be a reality because some fat f**k Mao wannabe wants to prove he actually possesses a penis.
It's not that he wants nuclear war but from his perspective getting nukes is the only way he can maintain North Korea safe from US invasion, like it happened with Iraq: with a good stock of nukes and lots of missiles nobody will dare invade North Korea. It's purely defensive.
The US and North Korea now are playing a game of chicken. North Korea's objective is to deter the US from attacking them. If the US manages to make North Korea give up its nuclear program, North Korea will be under the risk of invasion by the US. North Korea doesn't want that so they will not cancel their nuclear program. They know the US doesn't want war so North Korea knows the US's threats are empty, in exchange they are also making empty threats to the US.
This game of chicken will continue until one side decides to back down and it will probably be the US, considering they will not want war with North Korea in any case. The biggest problem is how crazy Trump might be. With Obama, North Korea knew the US was rational so there was no issue for them to develop nuclear weapons: Obama would just look the other way and leave North Korea alone. Now with crazy Trump in power North Korea is facing a possible risk of actual war and that would mean millions of deaths in both sides.
So now North Korea needs to beef up it's nuclear capability as fast as possible, hence their recent bluffs: they are showing off their missiles and stuff to make the rest of the world think they have a ton of nuclear firepower and are willing to use it. Which would deter the rest of the world from attacking North Korea, even a crazy US president like Trump.
There is nothing irrational about North Korea if you understand geopolitics. Trump is the irrational actor here actually. I hope the congress blocks Trump from declaring war on North Korea. If he does a terrible thing can happen: a North Korean nuke might fall over Japan and kill hundreds of manga artists and animators. :eek:
Captain Steel
08-10-17, 11:04 PM
Guap - what's up with your new avatar and slogan under it?
The Gunslinger45
08-10-17, 11:06 PM
It's not that he wants nuclear war but from his perspective getting nukes is the only way he can maintain North Korea safe from US invasion, like it happened with Iraq: with a good stock of nukes and lots of missiles nobody will dare invade North Korea. It's purely defensive.
The US and North Korea now are playing a game of chicken. North Korea's objective is to deter the US from attacking them. If the US manages to make North Korea give up its nuclear program, North Korea will be under the risk of invasion by the US. North Korea doesn't want that so they will not cancel their nuclear program. They know the US doesn't want war so North Korea knows the US's threats are empty, in exchange they are also making empty threats to the US.
This game of chicken will continue until one side decides to back down and it will probably be the US, considering they will not want war with North Korea in any case. The biggest problem is how crazy Trump might be. With Obama, North Korea knew the US was rational so there was no issue for them to develop nuclear weapons: Obama would just look the other way and leave North Korea alone. Now with crazy Trump in power North Korea is facing a possible risk of actual war and that would mean millions of deaths in both sides.
So now North Korea needs to beef up it's nuclear capability as fast as possible, hence their recent bluffs: they are showing off their missiles and stuff to make the rest of the world think they have a ton of nuclear firepower and are willing to use it. Which would deter the rest of the world from attacking North Korea, even a crazy US president like Trump.
There is nothing irrational about North Korea if you understand geopolitics. Trump is the irrational actor here actually. I hope the congress blocks Trump from declaring war on North Korea. If he does a terrible thing can happen: a North Korean nuke might fall over Japan and kill hundreds of manga artists and animators. :eek:
If it is so purely defensive why the hell is North Korea clamoring about a first strike and nuking Guam?
Guaporense
08-10-17, 11:58 PM
@Gunslinger, I already explained that in that post. To put it into detail: Trump threatened North Korea, North Korea answered back. They are playing a game to see which side will give up the threats first. Second, purely defensive means that they are showing off their firepower with bluffs.
@Captain Steel (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=87640), that's Heinz Guderian there, one of the most brilliant tacticians of the 20th century. The slogan is that I like military history and hence ignorant people will think "nazi" so I am indirectly making fun of them. Pedo for the manga/anime stuff that ignorant people think "pedo" and satanist because I like metal and ignorant people think "satanist". So it's essentially a slogan making fun of ignorance.
The Gunslinger45
08-11-17, 12:18 AM
@Gunslinger, I already explained that in that post. To put it into detail: Trump threatened North Korea, North Korea answered back. They are playing a game to see which side will give up the threats first. Second, purely defensive means that they are showing off their firepower with bluffs.
@Captain Steel (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=87640), that's Heinz Guderian there, one of the most brilliant tacticians of the 20th century. The slogan is that I like military history and hence ignorant people will think "nazi" so I am indirectly making fun of them. Pedo for the manga/anime stuff that ignorant people think "pedo" and satanist because I like metal and ignorant people think "satanist". So it's essentially a slogan making fun of ignorance.
The US had plenty of nukes before Trump. Why the hell is it only NOW North Korea needs to develop nukes? Especially since the nuclear ambitions North Korea pre dates Trump in the Oval Office.
North Korea has been saber rattling for decades. Long before President Trump they have been attacking South Korea and now they have the means to strike the only world power that has prevented their long dream of a unified communist Korea since they invade South Korea.
Sorry Guap but your just full of it.
Guaporense
08-11-17, 12:24 AM
The US had plenty of nukes before Trump. Why the hell is it only NOW North Korea needs to develop nukes? Especially since the nuclear ambitions North Korea pre dates Trump in the Oval Office.
North Korea started developing nukes after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, when they left the treaty about non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Why they did that? Because the US invaded Iraq for no reason and hence North Korea knew that the US could also decide to invade other dictatorships. To be safe from the risk of US invasion they though it would be nice to get some nukes in 2003.
Hence, they made their first nuclear test a few years after, in 2006.
Their nuclear program didn't change after Trump. What changed was that Obama and Bush were rational and didn't want war, so they were complicit and looked the other way while Trump is not. North Korea is more afraid of Trump because he is crazy, so they are showing off their teeth more to try to show to stupid Trump that is it unreasonable to attack North Korea.
North Korea has been saber rattling for decades. Long before President Trump they have been attacking South Korea and now they have the means to strike the only world power that has prevented their long dream of a unified communist Korea since they invade South Korea.South Korea's conventional forces are alone strong enough to deter any North Korean attack. North Korea has not attacked South Korea since the Korean war and has no interest in doing so.
Sorry Guap but your just full of it.Of course, because Trump is a perfectly reasonable POTUS and it's North Korea who is the crazy one.
You should stop thinking that North Korea is insane and instead try to understand the reasoning behind their actions. Just labeling foreign leaders insane just because they threaten your country is to refuse to understand the situation.
The Gunslinger45
08-11-17, 12:33 AM
North Korea started developing nukes after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, when they left the treaty about non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Why they did that? Because the US invaded Iraq for no reason and hence North Korea knew that the US could also decide to invade other dictatorships. To be safe from the risk of US invasion they though it would be nice to get some nukes in 2003.
Hence, they made their first nuclear test a few years after, in 2006.
Their nuclear program didn't change after Trump. What changed was that Obama and Bush were rational and didn't want war, so they were complicit and looked the other way while Trump is not. North Korea is more afraid of Trump because he is crazy, so they are showing off their teeth more to try to show to stupid Trump that is it unreasonable to attack North Korea.
South Korea's conventional forces are alone strong enough to deter any North Korean attack. North Korea has not attacked South Korea since the Korean war and has no interest in doing so.
Of course, because Trump is a perfectly reasonable POTUS and it's North Korea who is the crazy one.
You should stop thinking that North Korea is insane and instead try to understand the reasoning behind their actions. Just labeling foreign leaders insane just because they threaten your country is to refuse to understand the situation.
Yes, I am a bad person for using my eyes, brain, and common sense.
North Korea and South Korea have had close calls involving mortar fire, guerrilla attacks, and everything short of a full scale invasion or missile strikes. And North Korea are led by a family who have made claims of not needing to pee and poo. Among other claims.
I am shocked your never threw out your favorite xenophobia card.
Guaporense
08-11-17, 12:43 AM
You are not thinking because you are assuming North Korea is irrational. However, it's not hard to understand North Korea. They are just reacting to the situation that is confronting them.
I don't think that makes you a "bad person", just a person who doesn't understand what's happening in regard to North Korea-US relations.
Guaporense
08-11-17, 12:47 AM
It's perfectly normal in dictatorships for dictators to try to show themselves as gods to the general population. There is nothing unusual about North Korea's case.
The Gunslinger45
08-11-17, 12:48 AM
Guaporense
Your right. It is not hard to understand North Korea. Hence my stated position. ;)
It has been fun Guap. Have a good night.
Cynema De Bergerac
08-11-17, 12:51 AM
"Thoughts?"
It's probably because we have bigger penises than them.
Guaporense
08-11-17, 12:52 AM
Better that America remain the most powerful country than China becoming that . At the moment as I am posting Chinese troops are once more in a standoff with Indian troops on the Himalayan border.
China is not interested in becoming the world's policeman. Their military expenditures to GDP are lower than Russia's, India's and the US's.
The Gunslinger45
08-11-17, 12:56 AM
"Thoughts?"
It's probably because we have bigger penises than them.
Already made a penis joke.
Oh who am I kidding, Keep 'em coming.
Sexy Celebrity
08-11-17, 01:01 AM
"Thoughts?"
It's probably because we have bigger penises than them.
Isn't that what it's all about?
https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=33365&stc=1&d=1502424050
Guaporense
08-11-17, 01:11 AM
Yeah, asians have smaller dicks than europeans. Just like blacks and native americans have smaller brains than europeans, and the protruding jaws of blacks also shows they are closely related to chimpanzees. :D
Talking about bigotry...
Meanwhile, the bigot in the whitehouse is getting close to nuclear war because he is too incompetent to handle a third world dictatorship.
China is not interested in becoming the world's policeman. Their military expenditures to GDP are lower than Russia's, India's and the US's.
India's military expenditure is only 1.56 percent to GDP . China hides it's real military expenditure. The CIA estimates that it is much higher than publicly stated figures.
Stirchley
08-11-17, 04:21 PM
Yeah, asians have smaller dicks than europeans. Just like blacks and native americans have smaller brains than europeans, and the protruding jaws of blacks also shows they are closely related to chimpanzees. :D
Talking about bigotry...
Even in jest these comments are in the worst taste.
Guaporense
08-11-17, 04:41 PM
India's military expenditure is only 1.56 percent to GDP . China hides it's real military expenditure. The CIA estimates that it is much higher than publicly stated figures.
World Bank data (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS):
China --- 1.9% GDP
India ----- 2.5% GDP
Russia -- 5.4% GDP
US ------- 3.3% GDP
So China is currently the least militarized of the four great powers.
Still, given the size of the Chinese economy their military expenditures in real (PPP) terms are second only to the US's.
I think it will take a while before China will compete with the US in terms of being the world's policeman. They are still a developing country (but just a huge one, like India) so they are focused on developing instead of playing around like the US does.
World Bank data (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS):
China --- 1.9% GDP
India ----- 2.5% GDP
Russia -- 5.4% GDP
US ------- 3.3% GDP
So China is currently the least militarized of the four great powers.
Still, given the size of the Chinese economy their military expenditures in real (PPP) terms are second only to the US's.
I think it will take a while before China will compete with the US in terms of being the world's policeman. They are still a developing country (but just a huge one, like India) so they are focused on developing instead of playing around like the US does.
He said the reporting of their expenditures was questionable, so citing more reported numbers is meaningless.
The link's broken, anyway.
World Bank data (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS):
China --- 1.9% GDP
India ----- 2.5% GDP
Russia -- 5.4% GDP
US ------- 3.3% GDP
So China is currently the least militarized of the four great powers.
Still, given the size of the Chinese economy their military expenditures in real (PPP) terms are second only to the US's.
I think it will take a while before China will compete with the US in terms of being the world's policeman. They are still a developing country (but just a huge one, like India) so they are focused on developing instead of playing around like the US does.
india's numbers are old . 2.5 percent was years ago . its been declining over the years .
the chinese have changed many of their troop's designation from military to paramilitary troops and their pay then comes under home ministry not defence . so it is not counted as defence expenditure though in reality it is .
Guaporense
08-11-17, 05:09 PM
The link's broken, anyway.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS
Chinese expenditures are below world average.
india's numbers are old . 2.5 percent was years ago . its been declining over the years .
These numbers are from 2016.
the chinese have changed many of their troop's designation from military to paramilitary troops and their pay them comes under home ministry not defence . so it is not counted as defence expenditure though in reality it is .I wouldn't be so sure that these figures do not include paramilitary expenditures, but anyway it's hard to argue that China is a militarized country given the relatively small size of their military (they only have 1 aircraft carrier compared to like 15 for the US) and it's lack of force projection if compared to the US. And it should be noted that the US is now smaller country than China in both manpower and GDP (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD?year_high_desc=true).
If China were serious about being a military superpower they would multiply their naval fleet 10 times it's present size and their air force several times. But they are not, they are a developing country that is seeking only pacific coexistence and doesn't want to do much in international power politics.
Anyway I read some articles on this matter:
https://chinapower.csis.org/military-spending/
Clearly, Chinese military expenditures are much lower in proportion to government budget and overall GDP than the US or Russia.
http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/et-commentary/defence-budget-2017-lagging-behind-its-counterparts-indicator-also-does-not-augur-well-for-indian-army/
from the above link ( about the indian military budget )
Over the last eight years, from 2009-10 onwards, the defence expenditure (minus pensions) as a percentage of GDP has steadily declined from 2.19% to 1.65%.
Guaporense
08-11-17, 11:47 PM
I see they deducted pensions from their figures relative to those at the world bank.
Guaporense
08-13-17, 01:51 PM
Interesting article on how to deal with North Korea:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/24/how-to-take-down-kim-jong-un-215411
Guaporense
08-13-17, 07:41 PM
Fave quote: One North Korean defector, a young woman named Park Yeon-mi, has described the effect of watching the final scene of the movie Titanic: “Everything in North Korea was about the leader, all the books, music and TV,” she said. “So what was shocking to me about Titanic was that the guy gave his life for the woman and not for his country—I just couldn’t understand that mind-set.”
James Cameron revolutionizing minds!
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