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Sexy Celebrity
05-31-17, 09:04 PM
Kathy Griffin's Head
Stirchley
05-31-17, 09:19 PM
Zero thoughts on the matter.
I'm one of the ones who doesn't see the problem with it. It could be anyone alive's (or dead's) head (including my family members) and it wouldn't bother me. I understand it's art. However, it did need to be somehow restricted in who could see it. Kids and gentle souls should not have it on their phones, internet or TV
I think it goes too far. What's it even supposed to mean. I don't know who she is but my impression so far is that she's a dick head attention seeker.
cricket
05-31-17, 09:46 PM
I don't know why she ever made it to the spotlight anyway.
dadgumblah
05-31-17, 09:52 PM
Never liked her. I remember a time (in the 60's) when you didn't do a threatening pic of the President or say anything that might be construed as a threat for fear of someone from the government contacting you. Times have certainly changed.
I believe in free speech but, regardless, the context of what you say freely could get you in trouble. Griffin has always crossed the line and nobody's really complained---they just talked about it. I remember the past several years with her doing the New Year's coverage in Time's Square with Anderson Cooper and she always crosses the line, it makes the news, but then nothing else happens. And she reappears constantly. I don't know what effect this firing from CNN will have on her career. Despite her "apology," I'm sure she'll be onstage somewhere or on a talk show and take back the apology. I wish her no harm...she just makes me ill.
Wplains
05-31-17, 10:09 PM
I think it's in extreme bad taste. To tell you the truth, I don't know which is more disturbing: the fake, bloody Trump head or her extremely ugly zombie face.
She looks like she's joined ISIS.
Exactly! Pretty moronic.
Steve Freeling
05-31-17, 10:40 PM
I busted a gut laughing.
Woah Melania has gone after her now. Their son was watching at the time and thought his dad was dead. Poor Poor taste. She's washed up for good I would think.
I kinda doubt that, though. Sure, she may have lost the CNN gig, but I bet people will still love her. She hates Trump. She did something "shocking." She's gonna have people still on her side. They'll turn her into a hero.
I have no idea if she's funny because I just don't know who she is. Just laughing that she pissed off Melania. I think she'd be a force to contend with pissed off that some silly bitch freaked out her son. Gloves are off, I say. Slap down imminent.
Oh come on, it's just a bloody decapitated head. Hasn't anyone seen a bloody decapitated head before?
;)
Payday12
05-31-17, 11:12 PM
I kinda doubt that, though. Sure, she may have lost the CNN gig, but I bet people will still love her. She hates Trump. She did something "shocking." She's gonna have people still on her side. They'll turn her into a hero.
Yep. The liberal Hollywood establishment probably already got a check in the mail for her.
Captain Steel
05-31-17, 11:16 PM
I don't know why she ever made it to the spotlight anyway.
I second this. I've never liked her and she's one of those people who has always made me wonder how or why did she get where she is as she's never displayed any talent and is not a good comedienne. Her entire schtick seems to be trying to use largely shock humor to encourage the PC sheeple to become more offended (heck, even Christian-hating leftists like Rosie O'Donnell and Whoopsie Goldberg had some funny stand up material in their day and displayed some acting ability).
But I will say that Kathy Griffin has just advanced her career into mega-stardom. Sure, she just got fired from a couple good gigs she had over this, but she'll now have the talk show circuit, movie deals from Hollywood leftists, and millions of new Trump-hating fans who will welcome her as a speaker. (Within a couple years she'll probably be giving commencement speeches at certain universities for a half million a pop!)
The "limelight" in the entertainment media has become not about how good or talented you are, but how much attention you can get for opposing traditional values - and the more distasteful, disgusting or dirty the action, the more fame and fortune you receive.
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 12:05 AM
I had to look up the photo... and it's pretty awful as it's quite realistic looking.
I'm even a fan of gross-out humor, but there's not even anything goofy, cartoonish or ironic about it to make it in any way humorous.
I can't imagine if anyone had done this with Obama - or what the backlash would have been. I became quite a critic of some of Obama's policies over the years - yet I wouldn't find a photo of anyone holding an effigy of his bloody and severed head funny. In fact, liking the President of the U.S. or not, I'd find it threatening, vulgar and seditious.
I'm all for political humor and poking fun at our leaders - it's become part of our culture - but I don't see the joke here.
I remember Chevy Chase doing pratfalls as Gerald Ford. The joke of Ford's clumsiness (based entirely on only a couple incidents, btw, after all, the man been an acclaimed college athlete and an instructor in the U.S. Navy) wasn't even that funny.
But what was funny was that Chase - who had a full head of hair (with a 1970's hairdo), was probably a good foot taller than Ford, was much younger - looked absolutely nothing like Gerald Ford, nor did they try to do anything to make him resemble Ford in any way whatsoever. It was that odd juxtaposition of they just weren't going to make any attempt to make this tall, young, long-haired (comparatively) comedian look anything like Ford that added to the anomalous nature of the humor.
Iroquois
06-01-17, 02:44 AM
Not the first time I've seen a head of state get fake-decapitated for a laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0slByG0zU4
Wplains
06-01-17, 05:05 AM
I can't imagine if anyone had done this with Obama - or what the backlash would have been. I became quite a critic of some of Obama's policies over the years - yet I wouldn't find a photo of anyone holding an effigy of his bloody and severed head funny. In fact, liking the President of the U.S. or not, I'd find it threatening, vulgar and seditious.
Yeah, can imagine the enormous backlash if anyone has done this with Obama. Huge double standard operating here.
It also seems extremely disrespectful to the people who were murdered this way by terrorists. I don't think their families and friends would find it a laughing matter. And gee, let's all have a good laugh at an 11-year old boy who thought his Dad had been killed. Now that really is the cherry on the cake ....disgusting!
Iroquois
06-01-17, 05:55 AM
You mean like all the times that Obama effigies were hanged and torched?
Bad taste, but it achieved what she wanted and thats attention :rolleyes:
rauldc14
06-01-17, 08:45 AM
Trashy move to just make headlines IMO.
TheUsualSuspect
06-01-17, 08:49 AM
Yeah, can imagine the enormous backlash if anyone has done this with Obama. Huge double standard operating here.
https://i2.wp.com/innerstandingisness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/image00310.jpg?fit=508%2C808
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The difference here is that Kathy Griffin is a celebrity.
You mean like all the times that Obama effigies were hanged and torched?
Yup. Too far completely agree but the grossest thing that has come from this is the hypocrisy. Most of the people moaning about the double standards if this was Obama would have shown exactly no outrage if this was Obama or say Hilary and didn't clearly since it's not as if it never happened with them. Also pretty much every major media outlet has condemned this and there's been plenty of outrage from both sides so i don't even know what they're talking about.
also great to see you back SC
Monkeypunch
06-01-17, 09:12 AM
Okay, I loathe Trump. Not personally, I don't know the guy, but politically, he's the worst thing to happen to the country in a long, long time. But I still have to say this was in poor taste. The guy, however you feel about him, is a person, he has family, and his kid should definitely not have to see this on television. Seriously. Same goes for Obama or Bush or whoever.
matt72582
06-01-17, 09:15 AM
Look at the era we live in..... It's someone who isn't talented trying to get attention, and she got it, for something that takes zero talent.
The difference here is that Kathy Griffin is a celebrity.
I wonder if people would react the same if it was a celebrity like Tarantino or someone. One known for their violent tastes, I mean.
Full disclosure:
I was a fine arts major in college, so this is coming from a world where a kat can make a chair out of butter and people are in awe. Context and spectacle. Context can inform a statement, assuming there is a statement to be suggested by the artist, or interpreted by the viewer. That being said, this is Kathy Griffin. lol? I seriously doubt there is a higher meaning here other than shock and spotlight. I could be wrong, I really don't know. I don't really care either?
I'm fairly liberal. At least as liberal as I can be living in rural Alabama. Yeah. I know. I agree with Camo 100%. The hypocrisy is astounding to me listening to friends and family, or reading posts on FB about "ooooh how awful and evil this is! If only someone had done this with Obama, then the "left" wouldn't stand for it!" As has already been posted by others, it did happen. The same friends and family bemoaning this stunt are the same ones encouraging, echoing, and reposting the nastiness that was created during Obama's years. An effigy. Of a black man. In the United States of America. Being strung up by a noose. And Burned. In America. ...And cheered. *by many who claim a Christian faith. TF?
Hrm. I just went to search for a sound clip of one of Nugent's offenses and this was at the top of the list.
"Their cumulative sentiment: Both spewed hatred. Griffin was punished for it. Nugent became a White House guest." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/the-right-is-mad-over-kathy-griffins-gruesome-trump-video-the-left-asks-remember-ted-nugent/?utm_term=.9d24ce407b5f)
To be clear, I'm all for offensive speech. I may not agree, but I really don't care? You do your thing, I'll do mine. As long as we're not assaulting each other, that's America. I'm fine with that. But please ... please GTFO with the feigned morality offense. End the trash from both sides? I'm good with that. Keep it going ..on both sides? Cool, whatever. Just be consistent in your standards, please, and let's all stop pretending it's just their side doing it.
*edited because I might as well go all in here. I grew up here in the South. Christianity is a huge thing here, and honestly has been a great influence throughout my life. This is not the point of the OP, but it is a variable associated with it. This is something that I see far more than I should: self-proclaimed Christian friends and family outright judging those around them for doing the very things they do, or judging those that are different outgroups. That's a cultural thing in where I live. It's always been here and sadly, probably always will be. And because of that, this is my baggage and bias, and I admit that. Still though, it is a huge *slice of this conversational pie that truly offends me on levels I really can't find the words to describe.
*edited slice from slide, because I am an idiot sometimes.
Citizen Rules
06-01-17, 01:40 PM
If it was Hillary or Obama, some of you would be cheering.
Personally I don't care if Trump is offended, he lives to offend and built his celebrity on it. The USA is a nation that loves fake-reality TV shows with all the contrived drama, so we elect a fake-reality TV President....The fake beheading in a way is just another part of this stupid drama.
If it was Hilary or Obama, some of you would be cheering.
Plenty of them were cheering for Hilary's death during her healh scares during the campaign...lol. Funnily enough one of the first from the left to condemn this was Chelsea Clinton, obviously she has plenty of experience with this from all of the vile stuff the right has said about her parents over the years, the same people who are so outraged now.
hrm...
for the 5 of you that just thumbed-up my previous post, please go back and reread it. I made an edit that might be offensive to some, in case that changes your opinion of the post.
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 01:50 PM
I have to disagree with some - it's not just the effigy, it's the direct mimicking of Islamic Terror beheadings that makes this different.
We've already seen the burning of Trump effigies and smashing of Trump pinatas - people don't pay much attention since they are somewhat traditional ways of "bashing" a country's leaders. Burning in effigy has been done with most U.S. Presidents in countries around the world. But this copies and refers back to the real-life murders over the last two decades of many Americans that have been filmed and recorded by Islamic Terrorists - it's not just political criticism, humor or satire as it refers to horrific memories for the families of so many beheading victims.
And I also disagree - there are those of us critical of other President's who would be just as disgusted to see an image of someone holding up their bloodied and severed head. This goes so far beyond partisan politics.
It's offensive and tasteless. And worse, it's both those things without really being clever, funny, or interesting.
Thankfully, it's been pretty roundly condemned even across most partisan lines.
So let's not be mad at Kathy Griffin for acting just like people who made decorations of Obama dead?
That's what I think is being said by people -- excuse her, other people have done the same thing! Nobody would care if she wasn't a celebrity!
Well, fine. Then let's just put those people who made Obama corpse decorations on television! Let's give them a reality show. We can watch them painting and sewing and stuffing dead Obama dolls. You know, we can really see how that process is done. Know it intimately. They can teach us how to do it!
Then let's watch their comedy specials. Let's all laugh at their anti-Obama comedy. Get your tickets now!
Why not? Kathy Griffin is doing the same thing. Let's make these Obama haters into STARS! You'll love it. You'll be buying their ALBUM when it's released in iTunes. Yes, they'll sing for us, too. They'll all have recording contracts.
The idea is not to excuse her, or anyone really. The point is to just stop doing it all around. If that's not going to happen, then stop pretending it's one-sided? Be offended by her. That's fine and Jim Dandy. But if you're going to judge her without judging those on your political side of the spectrum for doing the exact same thing, then own up to your hypocrisy.
Hey, I don't mean "you" as in you personally. I don't know you! I mean in a broader, generic sense.
These are two sides to the same coin here and people are acting like the high school cheerleader on a Saturday night doing everything she's going to condemn the next day during Sunday school. "What, me? Why I never!"
sigh. I hope that reads more tongue-in-cheek than offensive lol. ooooh the double-meanings!!!! lol?
For the record i seriously have no idea who Kathy Griffin is. I thought she was Kathy Lee Gifford whoever that is, i googled her appearance in the South Park episode Weight Gain 4000 and realized i had the wrong person :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-WF8VMcdo
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 02:05 PM
Give Kathy Griffin a taste of her own medicine: have her investigated as a suspected seditious, self-radicalized, ISIS-influenced, lone-wolf sleeper & terrorist sympathizer. Detain her during the investigation and then slap a tracking device on her. If she's going to act like a radicalized Islamic Terrorist, maybe she ought to be treated like one - Lord knows how many Americans might still be alive if we did that to other suspected terrorists that spewed anti-American hatred and posted violent photos before they went on their bombings or killing sprees. (Afterward ask her "what's the matter, can't you take a joke?")
I have to disagree with some - it's not just the effigy, it's the direct mimicking of Islamic Terror beheadings that makes this different.
Doesn't say lynching a black man in an effigy call for the same outrage. At best you are guessing that's what the inspiration for the Trump thing was from, there's no mistaken the intentions of that effigy. Don't remember your comments when that happened, will have to go look for them.
Give Kathy Griffin a taste of her own medicine: have her investigated as a suspected seditious, self-radicalized, ISIS-influenced, lone-wolf sleeper & terrorist sympathizer. Detain her during the investigation and then slap a tracking device on her. If she's going to act like a radicalized Islamic Terrorist, maybe she ought to be treated like one - Lord knows how many Americans might still be alive if we did that to other suspected terrorists that spewed anti-American hatred and posted violent photos before they went on their bombings or killing sprees. (Afterward ask her "what's the matter, can't you take a joke?")
Aren't you always complaining about people calling for the closing of threads - going as far as to mention your free speech even though it doesn't apply on a private forum, and yet you see no problem with arresting someone over a joke?
I have to disagree with some - it's not just the effigy, it's the direct mimicking of Islamic Terror beheadings that makes this different.
I have to disagree with some - it's not just the effigy, it's the direct mimicking of a Ku Klux Klan terror lynching that makes the difference.
One really can't have it both ways. Well, one probably could but one cannot feign ignorance to the other side's plight. Well. I guess someone can do that too, I suppose. Still doesn't make it right.
I guess we will all choose to paint the world to our own tinted biases. The hope is to at least recognize that, and that others are all viewing the same world through different biases. Somewhere in all that is a middle ground to share.
Or let's just keep painting the world as we choose to see it.
Wplains
06-01-17, 02:10 PM
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The difference here is that Kathy Griffin is a celebrity.
Were any of these photos posted on national and international media? Because I don't live in the US and the Griffith incident was on my local news for heaven's sake and we have absolutely not idea who this woman is.
No, I think the problem here is how almost every media outlet loves to rubbish Trump every chance they get no matter how tasteless the material.
This isn't about the position of the President. It's about Trump. We've already had countless discussions about what constitutes art in a movie, and the vast majority of MoFos have said in the past that the worst movie is art, regardless of political content. It may be lousy, hard for many to understand, and in poor taste, but if this was in a movie, wouldn't it be considered art - yes or no? If it's art in a movie, isn't it in real life? Maybe we need to open up the various art vs. entertainment threads. You have to decide if there's a difference between art and a hate crime. Basically, that's what I see going on here. Some people seem to equate the two. Is it just politics or is it Obama and Trump and what they seem to represent to so many people? Has this country changed so much, or have people just gotten much freer to express themselves in certain ways that they think makes the country better (or worse)? Do politics trump art and define it?
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 02:14 PM
Doesn't say lynching a black man in an effigy call for the same outrage. At best you are guessing that's what the inspiration for the Trump thing was from, there's no mistaken the intentions of that effigy. Don't remember your comments when that happened, will have to go look for them.
Yes, I get the context. I'm not excusing it. But all Presidents have been hung (lynched) in effigy by someone and not because of their race. I understand there'd be no way around hanging Obama in effigy and claiming it was a political protest without the implication of racism also thrown in because he happened to be part black.
There's no mistaking what the severed head effigy represents - I don't recommend anyone view them, but the same image and pose has been struck by Al Qaida and ISIS terrorists holding up the severed heads of scores of murdered Americans (among others) from Daniel Pearl in 2002 to James Foley in 2014.
Were any of these photos posted on national and international media?
The very picture you quoted is a screenshot from Fox. And i know it was on International news as i first heard about it from the BBC.
Wplains
06-01-17, 02:20 PM
I know Wplains
I've never even seen Obama effigies before until... well, maybe today! Actually, that's probably not true, but my point is, I've barely/rarely seen one. Meanwhile, Kathy Griffin's dead head of Trump is shaking in my face everywhere. Shake, shake, shake.
I'd never seen those Obama photos anywhere. And yes the Griftin (sorry I mispelled her name before) photo is absolutely everywhere I've looked today - both local and international news sites.
All those effigies were on my local and network news. I don't know about Fox News.
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 02:22 PM
I have to disagree with some - it's not just the effigy, it's the direct mimicking of a Ku Klux Klan terror lynching that makes the difference.
One really can't have it both ways. Well, one probably could but one cannot feign ignorance to the other side's plight. Well. I guess someone can do that too, I suppose. Still doesn't make it right.
I guess we will all choose to paint the world to our own tinted biases. The hope is to at least recognize that, and that others are all viewing the same world through different biases. Somewhere in all that is a middle ground to share.
Or let's just keep painting the world as we choose to see it.
Who's asking to have it both ways? I said in my first post on this subject I'd be equally disgusted to see a similar image of Obama (or any other President or person for that matter).
No, I think the problem here is how almost every media outlet loves to rubbish Trump every chance they get no matter how tasteless the material.
Every single media outlet has condemned it. Who is rubbishing him about this?
Okay, I loathe Trump. Not personally, I don't know the guy, but politically, he's the worst thing to happen to the country in a long, long time. But I still have to say this was in poor taste. The guy, however you feel about him, is a person, he has family, and his kid should definitely not have to see this on television. Seriously. Same goes for Obama or Bush or whoever.
Sums it up for me as well. How old is his son? He would know about terrorists and beheadings because they hit mainstream news and social media trending news so unless melania keeps him in a bubble he would be aware of that. And I had never seen the Obama effigies but I think that's equally as appalling.
I still don't know who that woman is except for some yt I saw and I have no idea what it was about because all I heard was F this F that F everything. Lovely.
Everybody has been picking on Trump, so that's why Kathy Griffin figured it would be OK, I guess, to come out of her house and hold up her own Trump effigy.
This was her arts & crafts project that she figured she'd get an A (or at least a B+) on, and instead she got an F.
I agree with this. It's really gross that she knew making Trump jokes was what was in, everyone is doing it and it was just a matter of time until some idiot went too far. I think it would be best to let her sink back into obscurity but i doubt that's what will happen, this will probably be a positive for her career. I think your comment earlier in the thread about the state of comedy/shock/gross out culture is the post i've agreed with most in this thread.
I read some people being outraged at Jerry for that because apparently he's her friend. I just found the idea at being angry with Jerry Seinfeld very funny, he's the most vanilla comedian ever :laugh:
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 02:59 PM
For the record i seriously have no idea who Kathy Griffin is. I thought she was Kathy Lee Gifford whoever that is, i googled her appearance in the South Park episode Weight Gain 4000 and realized i had the wrong person :laugh:
Now if Kathy Lee Gifford had done it then THAT would have been funny.
Not really, it still wouldn't be funny but the idea of imagining Kathy Lee Gifford doing it is what's funny - she first became famous as the singing girl on Name That Tune!
Well, I mean, shouldn't a true friend tell you when you're making a fool of yourself? Harder to trust someone who lets you look your worst and doesn't offer sage advice. They might want you to fail.
Don't disagree. Just saying the idea of Jerry Seinfeld somehow managing to anger someone is hilarious to me because he's so inoffensive. 80% of his act is about airline food :D
Who's asking to have it both ways? I said in my first post on this subject I'd be equally disgusted to see a similar image of Obama (or any other President or person for that matter).
The point I am trying to make here is that one cannot site an offense, allude to and find fault with its assumed political intent and then just stop there as to suggest that the mimicking of a terrorist beheading somehow gives it uniqueness against the context of other similarly disgusting offenses. Especially when other offenses already brought to your attention were just as horrific by specifically referencing an absolutely unforgivable stain in this country's history---the racist act of lynching a black man. President or not.
I find it disingenuous to argue a point as if it is an isolated incident perpetrated by the other side, without acknowledging similar incidents by one's own side. Especially when using emotional or political rhetoric to emphasize that argument when the counterpoint visual of a burning black man carries more than enough emotional and historic baggage to speak for itself. I don't assume it is deliberate; however, my life experience pushes me to a cynical perspective.
My apologies if I read too far into your post. This may be a case where your reference to the beheading triggered a general reaction in me to all the crap that I'm seeing everywhere lately. I just have a hard time watching people legitimize one view while dismissing another, when they are one in the same. Perhaps that is not what you were doing.
The take away is that Kathy's idiocy is no stronger or more morally corrupt than any other act of idiocy or lacking morality from the other side(s).
Haters gonna hate. "They hate us cuz they anus." Wait. what?
;P
p.s. I still love you. please, come back to me? i never meant to hurt you... promise. remember that time in that other thread? about that topic? yeah. thems were good times. let's try to get some of that back. i'm here for you. always...
lol?
yeah. sometimes i even weird myself out.
...sometimes.
Seriously though. I'm just trying to pull this away from the abyss. Big hugs all around. Except for Kathy and Nugent, and crazy wingnuts on either side. Cuz they kray kray.
Kathie Lee Gifford is so '90s. Hell, she's so '80s.
I still can't wrap my head around her and Kathy Griffin not being the same person. In the South Park episode (both as a child and adult) she looks the exact same as Kathy Griffin, she actually looks different in real life tho haha.
I mean, c'mon now?
https://s1.postimg.org/mem29w44v/gifford.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/brs94gvzf/)[/url]
https://s10.postimg.org/7storzbbd/griffin.jpg (https://postimage.io/)
That's a South Park version of Griffin. The real Gifford doesn't (maybe she did then) look like that.
https://s14.postimg.org/kg4hozl5d/kathy.jpg (https://postimage.io/)[url=https://postimage.io/]
Think Matt and Trey may have gotten them mixed up while making the episode haha.
WOAH!!!!
This thread really got my blood pressure up, hey? lol. That's crazy for a movie forum site!!! I guess I'll have to visit my default political rant forum sites to calm down now!!!
ok. I'm back to my normal cheeky post self. No more outbursts from me. I promises.....s.
earlsmoviepicks
06-01-17, 04:40 PM
She's a victim of her own industry-- going after low-hanging fruit for a laugh to remain "current"
Wplains
06-01-17, 08:48 PM
Kathy Griffin is Kathie Lee Gifford's evil doppelgänger sister.
Lol, I have no idea who either of them are.
Captain Steel
06-01-17, 10:58 PM
The point I am trying to make here is that one cannot site an offense, allude to and find fault with its assumed political intent and then just stop there as to suggest that the mimicking of a terrorist beheading somehow gives it uniqueness against the context of other similarly disgusting offenses. Especially when other offenses already brought to your attention were just as horrific by specifically referencing an absolutely unforgivable stain in this country's history---the racist act of lynching a black man. President or not.
I find it disingenuous to argue a point as if it is an isolated incident perpetrated by the other side, without acknowledging similar incidents by one's own side. Especially when using emotional or political rhetoric to emphasize that argument when the counterpoint visual of a burning black man carries more than enough emotional and historic baggage to speak for itself. I don't assume it is deliberate; however, my life experience pushes me to a cynical perspective.
My apologies if I read too far into your post. This may be a case where your reference to the beheading triggered a general reaction in me to all the crap that I'm seeing everywhere lately. I just have a hard time watching people legitimize one view while dismissing another, when they are one in the same. Perhaps that is not what you were doing.
The take away is that Kathy's idiocy is no stronger or more morally corrupt than any other act of idiocy or lacking morality from the other side(s).
Haters gonna hate. "They hate us cuz they anus." Wait. what?
;P
p.s. I still love you. please, come back to me? i never meant to hurt you... promise. remember that time in that other thread? about that topic? yeah. thems were good times. let's try to get some of that back. i'm here for you. always...
lol?
yeah. sometimes i even weird myself out.
...sometimes.
Seriously though. I'm just trying to pull this away from the abyss. Big hugs all around. Except for Kathy and Nugent, and crazy wingnuts on either side. Cuz they kray kray.
I understand your point entirely. And I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I find personal attacks that involve violent rhetoric wrong no matter who does it.
Now this is far afield, but on the subject of hanging / burning in effigy - it's an ancient form of political protest. Not saying it's good or bad, right or wrong, but it is a historical form of protest that most people don't get too upset about because it's been around so long - it's basically a way of saying "we don't like this leader." And since it's a historical form of protest, people don't give it much credence as a serious personal threat of violence.
I'm sure this will be misconstrued - but of all U.S. Presidents (most of whom have been hung & burned in effigy by someone in the world) Obama was one who could not be symbolized this way without the action being taken as a racist act recalling the history of violence against blacks in the U.S. because of his ethnicity. Because Obama was black, there weren't too many forms of protest against him as a President that would not be interpreted as racism. Many supporters would use the term "racist" toward anyone who simply criticized Obama assuming any critics could not look past his skin color and simply be commenting on the man as a President.
As said earlier, we've already seen Trump hung & burned in effigy, we've see his paper mache cartoon head smashed like a pinata by his detractors and no one got too upset over those actions (again, because they are historically common toward political leaders). But Kathy Griffin's photo depicted a particular form of violence toward a president - not necessarily more or less morally corrupt than other symbolic violence, but more distasteful in a current sense so many Americans (among others) have been murdered in this exact way by the terrorists that want all Americans dead. If someone had done this image with a head resembling Obama, I would not see it as a racist commentary referencing the KKK, but as one referencing anti-American, anti-Western Islamic Terrorism.
She's a busy artist! Plus her husband got killed a few years ago... no, wait, that's Yoko Ono.
:laugh:
The best thing would be if only one reporter from like the Iowa Gazette showed up to her press conference and it wasn't televised, or it was televised on Estonian Television. Obviously it will be a big thing tho.
Captain Steel
06-02-17, 08:27 AM
Yes, it's me.
Anyway, everyone - tune in later this morning!
Laughy Taffy Kathy Gaffy is giving a PRESS CONFERENCE to EXPLAIN WHY she did what she did.
Isn't she lucky? Regular folks wouldn't get to have a press conference and a party afterwards to explain their brutal, bloody effigies, but Kathy Griffin is getting one!!!
All of those hillbillies who lynched their stuffed Obama dolls didn't get press conferences, but Kathy Griffin is getting one!!! I wonder what she'll wear? She looked like Hell in her apology video. She would have done us all a favor by holding that bloody Trump head over her face so we couldn't see hers.
Anyway, get out the noise makers and put a cake in the oven -- Kathy's got a press conference scheduled for later. Put your best pearls on and be sure to watch. It'll start just as soon as Kathy's limo pulls up to the podium. Kathy Griffin "I took a picture of myself holding gore" Press Conferences are SO rare - you won't wanna miss this!!
Part of her rise up the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" ladder!
Wplains
06-02-17, 10:01 AM
It's fascinating, though, to see a majority of people condemning Kathy Griffin for what she did.
Even after Donald Trump is elected President of the United States... and after all of the rage and hate he's been shown... after all of the jokes... the majority of us still do not want our President, Donald Trump, to be trashed THAT WAY.
I think it shows that... at least for now... we haven't hit rock bottom. We still believe in decency and honor and showing respect, even for President Trump.
'Cause really... I think if Kathy Griffin's stunt had been more widely accepted and condoned... that would have been a lot sadder for us. He's still our President and he's still a human being. We still shame those who try to bring forth chaos. Kathy Griffin's stunt and the shame we threw on her... was a sign that we still have some dignity.
What the media is doing, IMO, is trashing the office of President. They hate him, we get that, the man can do no rigjt, no matter what he does. But I think it a bit dangerous continually trash a man who was, to all intents and purposes, elected by the American people for the highest office in the land. Elected -- not took over the Oval Office by force or a coup. You may say the electorate are ignorant and backwards but the fact is, you either accept majority vote or you don't. If only one political spectrum is now the only one allowed then that, IMO, is no democracy at all.
I've never heard of her, and the head she's holding looks like Prince to me.
Iroquois
06-02-17, 10:36 AM
What the media is doing, IMO, is trashing the office of President. They hate him, we get that, the man can do no rigjt, no matter what he does. But I think it a bit dangerous continually trash a man who was, to all intents and purposes, elected by the American people for the highest office in the land. Elected -- not took over the Oval Office by force or a coup. You may say the electorate are ignorant and backwards but the fact is, you either accept majority vote or you don't. If only one political spectrum is now the only one allowed then that, IMO, is no democracy at all.
Can you really say "you either accept majority vote or you don't" in defence of a candidate who lost the popular vote? That's without getting into the idea that "the man can do no right, no matter what he does" because it disregards the possibility that he really is doing everything wrong because he is so grossly incompetent due to a variety of factors such as political inexperience, unsuitable temperament, and poor choice of advisers. The idea of him automatically deserving unquestioning respect simply because he's in a position that has always earned respect by default is also a dangerous one that doesn't sound particularly democratic either.
I've never heard of her, and the head she's holding looks like Prince to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
I've never heard of her, and the head she's holding looks like Prince to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk
Oh is it? Maybe cos i don't know her i didn't get the joke. Who is she?
Oh is it? Maybe cos i don't know her i didn't get the joke. Who is she?
I meant the Prince head was the joke.
Oh is it? Maybe cos i don't know her i didn't get the joke. Who is she?
I meant the Prince head was the joke.
Now i'm lost! 😆who is the woman and whose head is it meant to be??
Now i'm lost! 😆who is the woman and whose head is it meant to be??
haha. The woman is a comedian Kathy Griffin. The head was originally of Donald Trump which caused the controversy the thread is about but SC photoshopped Princes head in.
Now i'm lost! 😆who is the woman and whose head is it meant to be??
haha. The woman is a comedian Kathy Griffin. The head was originally of Donald Trump which caused the controversy the thread is about but SC photoshopped Princes head in.
Haha! Right i get it now! I did think Donald Trump looked slightly different to that head! 😁
lol.
sigh.
..but lol all the same.
;)
I meant the Prince head was the joke.
That's Little Richard's head. :cool:
I meant the Prince head was the joke.
That's Little Richard's head. :cool:
😳so it's not Princes head after all?? And who's Little Richard?? 😁
That's Little Richard's head. :cool:
haha, damn. I didn't look back and just assumed it was.
😳so it's not Princes head after all?? And who's Little Richard?? 😁
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxNSvFMkag
I feel a Princess Bride-themed meme developing here ...somewhere.
That's Little Richard's head. :cool:
haha, damn. I didn't look back and just assumed it was.
I haven't a clue now whose head it is!!! 😁
I haven't a clue now whose head it is!!! 😁
I thought it was Prince.
I had to laugh at her apology, and claims she's being bullied. running scared much? I'd be scared of Melania as well if I traumatised her son. The poor kid screamed when he saw that. I dont know why Kathy thinks bleating she's 'a comic' excuses her unfunny photoshoot. That apology was pathetic.
I haven't a clue now whose head it is!!! 😁
I thought it was Prince.
I had to laugh at her apology, and claims she's being bullied. running scared much? I'd be scared of Melania as well if I traumatised her son. The poor kid screamed when he saw that. I dont know why Kathy thinks bleating she's 'a comic' excuses her unfunny photoshoot. That apology was pathetic.
I've never heard of this comedian, i saw the pic of her with the head and thought no way is that Donald Trump!
I've never heard of this comedian, i saw the pic of her with the head and thought no way is that Donald Trump!
It was her 15 seconds of fame, but yes, you must not have seen the photo everyone is talking about. It's definitely Trump covered in 'blood'. Very tasteless, Dannii.
I've never heard of this comedian, i saw the pic of her with the head and thought no way is that Donald Trump!
It was her 15 seconds of fame, but yes, you must not have seen the photo everyone is talking about. It's definitely Trump covered in 'blood'. Very tasteless, Dannii.
I'm glad i didn't see it then, a few years ago i couldn't sleep so i switched on the tv, there was a programme on but i didn't take much notice, but then they showed a mans head lying in the road and headless bodies in a mass grave, it was horrific.
Oh god I can't even watch that press conference. Her lawyer is making it out to be her being crucified because of her gender. Que?
The Lowdown on Kathy Griffin's Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo9dEJSgqRI
First of all, in case you're just arriving to this, Kathy Griffin took a picture of herself holding a fake, bloody head of Donald Trump. She then apologized, got fired from CNN, and then decided to hold a 30 minute press conference with her attorney, Lisa Bloom, who is the daughter of ambulance chaser Gloria Allred.
She basically blamed this disaster and the end of her career on Donald Trump.
She said that Donald Trump "broke her" and then she sobbed.
She thinks that her career is over now thanks to Donald Trump, and then she sobbed.
She blamed "old white guys" for trying to silence her.
She said that everybody in Donald Trump's administration is a nutjob and we should basically just support Kathy because she's right and that's all that matters.
It was 30 minutes of talking about Kathy Griffin's life history, acting and comedy career, and basically just talking more and more about Kathy Griffin. It was the Kathy Griffin infomercial.
She said that further questions could be addressed by writing to Iroquois on Movie Forums (her account there) or by writing to her manager, Mark F.
Hope you summarize all the news for me in this fashion from now on.
The head Kathy Griffin is holding in the first post of this thread is Little Richard.
Not Prince.
I've never heard of Little Richard 😁
I've never heard of Little Richard 😁
Woooooooooooooo!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6akiGRcL8
I have now!! 😁
I hold very strong opinions about discrimination and injustice that i know alot of you don't agree with me on, wouldn't be surprised if you crossed me off as a far left nutjob even though i don't think i am far left while not disputing the nutjob part. That was really gross tho and i didn't watch it, just read SC and Dani's posts about it. Sounds like she is using what are IMO very real issues like gender and race inequality as get out of jail free cards. I think that's a big problem here, to get a solid following on Social Media being leftist is definitely preferrable and i think some people who don't actually understand or care about this stuff are using it to boost their profile.
The blatant hypocrisy. Freedom of speech wahhh wahhh yet the white house pushed for Nakoula Basseley Nakoula's YT vid to be removed. Does she have a short memory? There is no freedom of speech when talentless dicks go too far in their blatant attempts to attention whore. You can't tell me Griffin wasn't setting up that photoshoot and giggling like a maniac at how much controversy it would cause in the current political climate.
She said that further questions could be addressed by writing to Iroquois on Movie Forums (her account there) or by writing to her manager, Mark F.
Let Kathy work! I need my 20%.
Which apology not an apology is better - Kathy griffin or Amber Heard. I think Kathy because atleast she got in an eyeroll. Heard just looked like a dead fish smirking.
What did Amber Heard apologize for? Seriously, i have no idea. I could google it but it would be funnier seeing one of you summarize it for me.
Despite the fact that a lot of people are condemning Kathy Griffin right now, I feel like one day in the future, there's gonna be a Forrest Gump reboot, and Forrest is gonna find himself at Kathy Griffin's press conference and he's gonna hand her a tissue.
Like people are gonna look back at this event one day and see this as a revolutionary moment where Kathy Griffin made it all possible for people to prance around with fake severed heads of the President and nobody's gonna judge you. That's what I see happening in the future.
The best thing about this is that i think i know you well enough that Kathy Griffin is your new person. We'll see alot of Kathy Griffin on this site starting from now basically.
I wholeheartedly approve for the record, really missed your presence.
I doubt it, actually.
Although, I do think it would be funny if we used that bloody, fake head of Trump for one of these smiley heads we use around here:
:jules::whoopi::flair::bea::walter::docbrown::cage::hogan:
The Little Richard head needs to be added at least. That conveys being unjustly mocked on Twitter.
Also, i think this thread would get much better if it turned into the Little Richard thread.
I've only really listened to the three most well known Lil Richard songs but listening through his catalogue this song is insane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp43uumF0QY
Next time you get drunk, Camo, just come in here and post as many Little Richard songs as you can find.
Well, i'm posting another Little RIchard song now coz it's really amazing, probably my favourite now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc_F3PaYgl0
I just know the Sexy Curse is gonna kill Little Richard next now.
Seriously wasn't aware he was alive, would love to hear his most recently recorded stuff.
My laptop is nuts and i'm used to me pressing up from a google search taking me to the address bar but it now takes me to the bottom of the five displayed searches so i ended up on "Little Mistress" there, felt so dirty. Hats off to them but that's not my style of lingerie.
What did Amber Heard apologize for? Seriously, i have no idea. I could google it but it would be funnier seeing one of you summarize it for me.
LOL. She smuggled her dogs into Australia when she came to visit her ex. She was asked to make a public apology by the magistrate and it was hilariously mocking. Possibly the only real acting she ever did.
LOL. She smuggled her dogs into Australia when she came to visit her ex. She was asked to make a public apology by the magistrate and it was hilariously mocking. Possibly the only real acting she ever did.
Thanks for explaining it.
What did she do wrong though? If that is against your countries rules are then yeah 100%, but i think she'd be at like 15% on my scale of who i am concerned about entering my country.
Please note my hostiility towards the terrorist thread before you respond.
I meant at most 15% sorry.
in nutshell Aus has the toughest biosecurity regulations in the world. She skipped in with 2 dogs in her handbag and lied to border control. Everyone then forgot about it until the cringeworthy apology video she made with Depp. Will post it when I get home for a comparison.
Wplains
06-02-17, 09:18 PM
Can you really say "you either accept majority vote or you don't" in defence of a candidate who lost the popular vote? That's without getting into the idea that "the man can do no right, no matter what he does" because it disregards the possibility that he really is doing everything wrong because he is so grossly incompetent due to a variety of factors such as political inexperience, unsuitable temperament, and poor choice of advisers. The idea of him automatically deserving unquestioning respect simply because he's in a position that has always earned respect by default is also a dangerous one that doesn't sound particularly democratic either.
I thought American presidents were elected by electoral college and always have been? So the system is now not valid somehow because Trump won?
Nobody does everything wrong 100% of the time just like no one does everything right 100% either. I'm not saying he deserves unquestioning respect but I don't think he deserved to be trashed 100% of the time either before he is even given a chance. Seems to me Obama got unquestioning respect and I am still scratching my head at why the hell someone gave him the Nobel Peace prize?
Wplains
06-02-17, 09:24 PM
Despite the fact that a lot of people are condemning Kathy Griffin right now, I feel like one day in the future, there's gonna be a Forrest Gump reboot, and Forrest is gonna find himself at Kathy Griffin's press conference and he's gonna hand her a tissue.
Like people are gonna look back at this event one day and see this as a revolutionary moment where Kathy Griffin made it all possible for people to prance around with fake severed heads of the President and nobody's gonna judge you. That's what I see happening in the future.
My local media reported she was whining about being "bullied" by The Trump family and saying they ruined her career. Really? This woman sounds seriously demented.....:shrug:
Iroquois
06-02-17, 10:08 PM
I thought American presidents were elected by electoral college and always have been? So the system is now not valid somehow because Trump won?
Nobody does everything wrong 100% of the time just like no one does everything right 100% either. I'm not saying he deserves unquestioning respect but I don't think he deserved to be trashed 100% of the time either before he is even given a chance. Seems to me Obama got unquestioning respect and I am still scratching my head at why the hell someone gave him the Nobel Peace prize?
I daresay it's always been a flawed system but it's taken something this flagrant to call attention to its flaws. In any case, having a select group of individuals be the ones to elect the president instead of the population as a whole still sounds like it's considerably different to the conventional concept of democracy anyway.
Also, it's been four-and-a-half months since Trump took office. He's had more than enough chances to earn the respect of people outside his core groups of voters, but so many of his actions have ranged from the superficially embarrassing to the genuinely dangerous, whether it's the things that he does on his own or the things that he allows to happen. If you think that Obama got unquestioning respect in comparison, flick back a few pages and look at the pictures.
Captain Steel
06-02-17, 10:11 PM
Is that really Sexy?
It's hard to recognize him in suspenders!
Captain Steel
06-02-17, 10:27 PM
I've never heard of Little Richard 😁
Seriously? I loves me some Little Richard!
He broke down many walls for those who followed:
He got those middle-class white kids all stirred up with that forbidden "jungle music!" (Richard became one of the first black "crossover" artists to bring the races together in musical fashion.)
He was one of the first rock & rollers to "find religion" and become an Evangelist minister!
He was one of the first gender-bending entertainers long before David Bowie started confusing us with album covers.
If Jerry Lee Lewis, James Brown and Liberace all had a baby together - it might be Little Richard!
I thought American presidents were elected by electoral college and always have been? So the system is now not valid somehow because Trump won?
You said the majority and Iro pointed out it wasn't the majority.
I mean...yeah.
Wplains
06-03-17, 05:13 AM
I daresay it's always been a flawed system but it's taken something this flagrant to call attention to its flaws. In any case, having a select group of individuals be the ones to elect the president instead of the population as a whole still sounds like it's considerably different to the conventional concept of democracy anyway.
Also, it's been four-and-a-half months since Trump took office. He's had more than enough chances to earn the respect of people outside his core groups of voters, but so many of his actions have ranged from the superficially embarrassing to the genuinely dangerous, whether it's the things that he does on his own or the things that he allows to happen. If you think that Obama got unquestioning respect in comparison, flick back a few pages and look at the pictures.
I would have thought if American's wanted a different system, they would have changed it long ago. Seems to me the system is only questioned when what the press deem an unsuitable candidate turns up.
4 months doesn't seem like much time to prove or disprove anything.
Mesmerized
06-03-17, 06:06 AM
I'd prefer to remember Kathy Griffin as she was, not as someone who probably now belongs in a psych hospital....
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Movie Max
06-03-17, 08:36 AM
Really? This is already a Kleenex commercial? I believe comedians have a pretty high suicide rate. Put her on watch. Bummer, from tough and strong with a bloody severed head, to being an instant victim, picked on by everyone. Why oh why?:rolleyes:
I'm just waiting for the best possible headline in all this... Kathy Griffin gives head to Secret Service.
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/IbhmLZ7RzuiGg6SpD0hgBg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NDk2/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/615e11532fecf1a218f88db1cab19eb3
Iroquois
06-03-17, 08:50 AM
I would have thought if American's wanted a different system, they would have changed it long ago. Seems to me the system is only questioned when what the press deem an unsuitable candidate turns up.
4 months doesn't seem like much time to prove or disprove anything.
The thing is that no other candidate has ever been this unsuitable before, hence why the electoral college being capable of confirming or denying his presidency became such a big deal all of a sudden. As for "they would have changed the system if they really wanted", just consider how long America had openly legalised slavery before getting into a lengthy civil war over whether or not to abolish it (and that's without addressing the whole 13th Amendment controversy on top of that). Changes of that magnitude are not as simple as you seem to think.
Besides, each new president is measured by what they accomplish in their first 100 days in office (which is only about three-and-a-bit months). It may be a comparatively short amount of time next to a four-year term, but it still involves the president setting their own personal standard through their actions and giving a strong indication of what their whole presidency will be like.
I've never heard of Little Richard 😁
Woooooooooooooo!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6akiGRcL8
Now i can't get Good Golly Miss Molly outta my head!! 😁
Kathy Griffin does not belong in a psych ward for her stunt and for her press conference. I think that Kathy Griffin is a victim, in a way, but she's not a victim of Trump and people who she thinks are out to get her.
She's a victim of the whole mentality going around that being as nasty as possible about Trump is cool. That it's fine, that it's okay, to do or say whatever you want about him. But of course, at the same time, Trump takes to his Twitter as well to unleash nastiness on others, so it is going around everywhere. It's a climate of ugliness. But - it doesn't start and end with Trump.
I believe she was saying her photographer liked the whole idea of "beheading Trump" in the picture - excuse me, photographer... why are you pushing Kathy into this? This may be coming from the imagination of Kathy, but I think the reason she cooked it up is simply because she believed it was safe to turn the oven on at that high of a temperature. And she does live in a kind of bubble, I think - the bubble that is her celebrityhood and the feeling that she needs to stay relevant, stay shocking, stay in the game.
I think that her stunt is a reflection of our society. So is her press conference and running around boo-hooing and crying and calling herself a victim. Here she emulates our nation's newest neverending pest, the eternal victim Hillary Clinton, ghoulishly popping out of everyone's closet at 3 A.M. to remind us that she lost the presidency and it isn't her fault! She was a victim of everything else you can think of. A victim of misogyny. Of men. Of other people. Everybody but herself.
I love thoughtful Sexy. Best post I have seen you have.
A segment of her press conference even hit our news. Must hve been a slow news days. And of course it was of Kathy crying-not crying.
d_chatterley
06-04-17, 04:06 AM
Seems to me the system is only questioned when what the press deem an unsuitable candidate turns up.
Actually, the system has been questioned every time when the president won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote. It's just that it happened only twice in recent history and 5 times altogether.
It caused a huge stir in 2000 and even bigger one in 2016. The bigger outrage was because of a bigger disproportion of popular votes lost when comparing 2000 with 2016. In 2000 the president that won the electoral college lost by 540,000 votes. Last year the president that won the electoral college lost by 2.9 million votes. That is A LOT more when compared to 2000. Of course there are other issues that caused many people to lose their minds from some that might have been internationally known (Russia hacking) to others that in my opinion are a lot more serious but most likely did not reach the international news (gerrymandering, redistricting, etc..).
Wplains
06-04-17, 04:26 AM
Actually, the system has been questioned every time when the president won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote. It's just that it happened only twice in recent history and 5 times altogether.
It caused a huge stir in 2000 and even bigger one in 2016. The bigger outrage was because of a bigger disproportion of popular votes lost when comparing 2000 with 2016. In 2000 the president that won the electoral college lost by 540,000 votes. Last year the president that won the electoral college lost by 2.9 million votes. That is A LOT more when compared to 2000. Of course there are other issues that caused many people to lose their minds from some that might have been internationally known (Russia hacking) to others that in my opinion are a lot more serious but most likely did not reach the international news (gerrymandering, redistricting, etc..).
And yet no one has seriously considered changing the system yet. I'll give you my hunch -- they won't.
d_chatterley
06-04-17, 05:13 AM
And yet no one has seriously considered changing the system yet. I'll give you my hunch -- they won't.
They have, but in order to make a change like that you would have to amend the Constitution which is a huge undertaking that seems insurmountable especially in this climate where nothing in the US Senate seems to get done.
You start talking here in the USA about amending the Constitution and you are treated as almost a public enemy no. 1 by a certain segment of the population.
There is some talk about the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact which would be another way of addressing the issue, but even that seems pretty far fetched.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2016/nov/17/electoral-college-vs-popular-vote-could-states-a/
Until the electoral system is abolished we will still have a very abysmal voter turnout and a much weaker democracy than we'd like to think we have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout
d_chatterley
06-04-17, 05:46 AM
Their son was watching at the time and thought his dad was dead.
I would not necessarily believe that to be true. Remember that Donald Trump is a master spinner and a former reality tv show star himself. He knows how to manipulate the media very well. If he is so concerned regarding his son why isn't his son living with him in the White House? He is basically using his son a pawn in this PR fight and Kathy is possibly trying to get back into the spotlight. Two people cut from the same cloth if you ask me willing to sell anything and anyone for some publicity. Or perhaps a distraction from more important news??
I am surprised that more republicans have now finally found their moral backbone here in the USA after, I suppose, suffering from voluntary amnesia for the past 8 years when Obama was president and were apparently ok with how he was treated as mentioned in this thread. Nice for them to finally learn what the "respect for the office of the president" means.
I don't like the vileness and evil behind this whole fiasco, but one thing I hate even more is blatant hypocrisy.
Wplains
06-04-17, 09:09 AM
Until the electoral system is abolished we will still have a very abysmal voter turnout and a much weaker democracy than we'd like to think we have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout
In your opinion, of course. Other people will argue US democracy has held up extremely well for 200 years. Certainly better than many countries in Europe. And let's not even talk about the rest of the world.
Wplains
06-04-17, 09:12 AM
I would not necessarily believe that to be true.
But can you say, with absolute certainty, it's not true? I really doubt that. And friend, every single politician in earth is a master spinner.
ash_is_the_gal
06-04-17, 10:49 AM
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I've never heard of Little Richard 😁
Seriously? I loves me some Little Richard!
He broke down many walls for those who followed:
He got those middle-class white kids all stirred up with that forbidden "jungle music!" (Richard became one of the first black "crossover" artists to bring the races together in musical fashion.)
He was one of the first rock & rollers to "find religion" and become an Evangelist minister!
He was one of the first gender-bending entertainers long before David Bowie started confusing us with album covers.
If Jerry Lee Lewis, James Brown and Liberace all had a baby together - it might be Little Richard!
Never heard of him til now, and that 'Good Golly'song has been stuck in my head! 😖
I would not necessarily believe that to be true. Remember that Donald Trump is a master spinner and a former reality tv show star himself. .
I wouldnt believe a word he said, D, but Melania was the one who said it initially. I let out a gasp so I can believe Baron was upset by it. The image here is pixelated on the news. And he doesnt live with Trump because Melania wanted him to stay in his school.
Captain Steel
06-04-17, 01:18 PM
Never heard of him til now, and that 'Good Golly'song has been stuck in my head! 😖
His songs were definitely "toe tappers!" ;)
I liked Camo's idea that this thread should become the Little Richard thread.
I get the feeling that Prince must have been a fan since it seemed like he borrowed a lot of Richard's hairstyles, wardrobe and mustache!
Not too familiar with Little Richard's gospel music so I thought I'd post this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIbeqvcBIOg
Never heard of him til now, and that 'Good Golly'song has been stuck in my head! 😖
His songs were definitely "toe tappers!" ;)
I liked Camo's idea that this thread should become the Little Richard thread.
I get the feeling that Prince must have been a fan since it seemed like he borrowed a lot of Richard's hairstyles, wardrobe and mustache!
Not too familiar with Little Richard's gospel music so I thought I'd post this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIbeqvcBIOg
I like gospel music, and choir music. I do like Prince, When Doves Cry is my fave Prince song😁
Man, she messed up royal with that stunt she pulled about Trump.
donniedarko
06-08-17, 04:13 PM
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Grabbing by the pussy =/= decapitating
ash_is_the_gal
06-08-17, 04:40 PM
yeah. that was quite a leap even for you, donnie
All news of she whose name I hope to forget hs dried up here. Is she still fake crying about being bullied?
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