New Individual Movie Pages

[Yoda]

So, this is something I've wanted to do forever, and with the release of Clubs (http://www.movieforums.com/clubs), its release was imminent. Clubs meant filmographies for each director, which meant letting people check individual films off of those even if they weren't on Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists), and the ability to mark any film seen was one of the hurdles to: individual movie pages.

They look like this:

12 Angry Men (http://www.movieforums.com/movies/389_12-angry-men.html)

At the moment, it's mostly just putting a bunch of existing stuff in one place: reviews of the film, anyone who's favorited it, links to a quiz (if there is one), and it adds some basic information like cast & crew, runtime, and release date.

Before long, I'd like to add the lists it's on (once that section has been expanded, since that doesn't apply to too many films yet), as well as things like box office information. And I'll probably try to add a search of this section pretty quickly, too.

And, of course, if anyone has any suggestions, let me know. :)

EDIT: just want to note, in case anyone was going to suggest this, that letting people rate the films is pretty high on the list. Just one of those things I want to be really smooth, quick, and easy/intuitive, like the Mark Seen button, before I make it available.

[Chypmunk]

Looks excellent :up:

[WorldFilmGeek]

Love the look :)

[CosmicRunaway]

That's really cool. :up:

[Miss Vicky]

Is the goal going to be for every movie (which sounds daunting) or just for MoFo's more popular titles?

[AdamUpBxtch]

nice!

[Dani8]

I really like how you have the ratings by the reviewers there when you open the whole page. When I'm checking out a movie I like to get a general handle on opposing PoVs without reading the reviews before I see it. If a movie has thumbs up and thumbs down equally, I know I'm going to have some fun.

[Citizen Rules]

And, of course, if anyone has any suggestions, let me know. You know me, I'm sure I will have a few suggestions:p...I'll check it out in detail latter today, I have to run right now, so I will just say....

I like it!...You're sure doing a lot of neat upgrades!

[Citizen Rules]

I really like how you have the ratings by the reviewers there when you open the whole page. When I'm checking out a movie I like to get a general handle on opposing PoVs without reading the reviews before I see it. If a movie has thumbs up and thumbs down equally, I know I'm going to have some fun. Always make sure and believe my reviews over the other reviewers;):)

[Potter]

This is excellent. The whole website in general is brilliantly made. :up:

[Sexy Celebrity]

Is the goal going to be for every movie (which sounds daunting) or just for MoFo's more popular titles?

With enough persistence and sledgehammering, I'm sure they'll eventually make pages for Quills and Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

[Dani8]

Always make sure and believe my reviews over the other reviewers;):)

Oh my, ofcourse I will, my friend.

I take notice of reviewers on a small board like this because I can get a handle on their general film outlook after a while. Not so much on the other board. Just no, not taking notice of that misused function.

My two favourite film critics of all time were a man and woman team in Aus that had a movie review show. Brilliant brilliant couple. They fought like an old married couple when they disagreed but they obviously had a deep respect for each other. Sadly, they retired recently. Total movie critic icons down here. Film geek gods.

[Yoda]

Is the goal going to be for every movie (which sounds daunting) or just for MoFo's more popular titles?
It should already be every title, since it's semi-automated. We store some local data on each movie from our data source (TMDB) to help things run smoother, and any time you try to view information about a film we don't have any local data on, it just adds it as you're loading the page. So in theory, anything TMDB has listed, you'll automatically find here.

[Swan]

So how can we find other movies?

[Yoda]

In the OP I mention a search. That shouldn't be too long from now. Maybe even today/tomorrow. But for now, every movie linked in a profile (or under your Favorites star on each post) takes you to that movie's page.

[Swan]

In the OP I mention a search.

What, did you expect me to read that or something? :p

[Sedai]

Of course I have known about the clubs for some time now, which is why i just joined my first three clubs now.... *Whistles*

Cool feature!

[Little Devil]

Excellent.

[Tugg]

In the OP I mention a search. That shouldn't be too long from now. Maybe even today/tomorrow. But for now, every movie linked in a profile (or under your Favorites star on each post) takes you to that movie's page.
Will it be possible to see all movies a member has seen if he wished to mark all of them as seen? Or otherwise, what is the purpose of "seen" mark?

[OdumC]

It should already be every title, since it's semi-automated. We store some local data on each movie from our data source (TMDB) to help things run smoother, and any time you try to view information about a film we don't have any local data on, it just adds it as you're loading the page. So in theory, anything TMDB has listed, you'll automatically find here.The page looks great, and if it's automated to pull existing data from elsewhere, win/win.

[Yoda]

Will it be possible to see all movies a member has seen if he wished to mark all of them as seen? Or otherwise, what is the purpose of "seen" mark?
Yup, that'll be coming soon, too. I want to amass a bit more data first, though, because once we have a bit saved up we can do a lot of cool things. Maybe similarity comparisons to find users with similar tastes, and things like that.

[seanc]

So cool. Awesome job as usual Yoda.

[Sexy Celebrity]

This is far better than the clubs, which is just silliness. At least until it stops being only directors.

[Yoda]

That's fair, though I did say I thought of Clubs as essentially a beta test. In the past, I've waited a long time to launch new features until I thought they were basically perfect, but I decided this time, since the feature in question could go in a lot of different directions, it'd be better to launch it in a nascent form and get feedback first. But I totally agree that it needs to grow and change: I just want to involve you guys more directly in that one.

Anyway, thanks for the response so far. I'll try to add search relatively soon, and I'll probably lay some of the groundwork for a giant Seen log, so it can launch quickly once we have a bit more data.

[TJLamb0518]

So, this is something I've wanted to do forever, and with the release of Clubs (http://www.movieforums.com/clubs), its release was imminent. Clubs meant filmographies for each director, which meant letting people check individual films off of those even if they weren't on Lists (http://www.movieforums.com/lists), and the ability to mark any film seen was one of the hurdles to: individual movie pages.

They look like this:

12 Angry Men (http://www.movieforums.com/movies/389_12-angry-men.html)

At the moment, it's mostly just putting a bunch of existing stuff in one place: reviews of the film, anyone who's favorited it, links to a quiz (if there is one), and it adds some basic information like cast & crew, runtime, and release date.

Before long, I'd like to add the lists it's on (once that section has been expanded, since that doesn't apply to too many films yet), as well as things like box office information. And I'll probably try to add a search of this section pretty quickly, too.

And, of course, if anyone has any suggestions, let me know. :)

EDIT: just want to note, in case anyone was going to suggest this, that letting people rate the films is pretty high on the list. Just one of those things I want to be really smooth, quick, and easy/intuitive, like the Mark Seen button, before I make it available.

Looks great.....can't wait to see the Showgirls, Basket Case and War of the Gargantuas ones.....

[Yoda]

Looks great.....can't wait to see the Showgirls, Basket Case and War of the Gargantuas ones.....
Here ya' go (http://www.movieforums.com/movies/10802_showgirls.html).

"No users have added this film to their favorites."

You don't say.

[MonnoM]

Yup, that'll be coming soon, too. I want to amass a bit more data first, though, because once we have a bit saved up we can do a lot of cool things. Maybe similarity comparisons to find users with similar tastes, and things like that.

:leo:

[Dani8]

Here ya' go (http://www.movieforums.com/movies/10802_showgirls.html).

"No users have added this film to their favorites."

You don't say.


LOL. OK that's all I need to know. Wont be watching. Spanky Thanky for those ratings.

[Elessar]

Great, master Yoda.

That feature (being able to search and read for each individual movie) is one of the most important for me on a movie board. It gives me... freedom :king:

[Yoda]

Great, master Yoda.

That feature (being able to search and read for each individual movie) is one of the most important for me on a movie board. It gives me... freedom :king:
I'll get right on it! In the meantime, you can find Reviews of each film already with the search/filter on the bottom left of the Reviews page (http://www.movieforums.com/reviews).

[Yoda]

Okay, search added:

http://www.movieforums.com/movies

[Little Devil]

Okay, search added:

http://www.movieforums.com/movies
Well done. That will come in handy.

[The Rodent]

This was something I was thinking about the other day when it came to people's top 10 favourites on profiles, where you can see who has what favourited.
This looks like a neat addition to MoFo :up:

[The Rodent]

Also... I love how the quizzes are integrated into the "Related" link at the top right :up:

[Little Devil]

Also... I love how the quizzes are integrated into the "Related" link at the top right :up:
A quick question though, how do we access the Movie search feature? I thought it would be visible in the top row

[Sexy Celebrity]

Marking a movie as "Seen" ... how can you see your own and others' lists?

[Yoda]

A quick question though, how do we access the Movie search feature? I thought it would be visible in the top row

I'll have to think a bit more about how to integrate it into the navigation. For now, though, I can probably put a breadcrumb-style link near the top of each individual movie page, so that ending up on any will let you get back there.

Might look into a more "portable" search menu from each page itself, too...hmmm...

[The Rodent]

I guess that'll be a "coming soon" function like a link for the Clubs Page.


Here's a reminder for people:


Individual Movies Page: http://www.movieforums.com/movies


Clubs: http://www.movieforums.com/clubs


In the meantime, I've saved most of MoFo's functions in my favourites tab at the top of my browser.

[Yoda]

Marking a movie as "Seen" ... how can you see your own and others' lists?
Nothing on this yet, but once we've collected a bit more data, there'll be a page where you can see everything marked this way. Hopefully with search/sort/other cool stuff.

[Yoda]

I guess that'll be a "coming soon" function like a link for the Clubs Page.


Here's a reminder for people:


Individual Movies Page: http://www.movieforums.com/movies


Clubs: http://www.movieforums.com/clubs
Yeah, gonna think long and hard about the navigation. Might have to bump those font sizes down a bit. But we've already run out of colors! :D

[MonnoM]

Yoda slow down, I can't contain much more excitement!

[The Rodent]

Just bump the rainbow to the left a bit :laugh:
You'd be able to get a good 6 more shades out of it.

[Little Devil]

Yeah, gonna think long and hard about the navigation. Might have to bump those font sizes down a bit. But we've already run out of colors! :D
May I suggest the Movies to be right above next to the "Reviews"? makes sense [to me at least]

[The Rodent]

I've just twigged... ^^ Devil got it as well...


The link next to Reviews is Forums... that's a dead link. It's a pointless link... and is using space that can be used by the Individual Movies Page.

[The Rodent]

To elaborate, the top bar technically has 3 separate links that take you to the main page.
The title, the MoFo Logo, and that "Forums" link...


Bin that Forums link in place of the Movies Page. That will mean only one new link is needing added, which is for the Clubs Page.

[Yoda]

May I suggest the Movies to be right above next to the "Reviews"? makes sense [to me at least]
Which order to put it in isn't the issue. The hurdles are trying to fit things up there without making the font size too small (there's no room to add more without making the others smaller), and keeping the general association of one color per section.

I have a few ideas on this, but they require a bit of thought.

[Mr Minio]

http://i.imgur.com/PBtm5L0.png

Great feature!


Regards.

[Yoda]

Yoda slow down, I can't contain much more excitement!
Heh. There's been a bit of a cascade here, in that a lot of these things have been gestating, or even mostly done, for awhile now, and I just needed to finish one, which tied into the next, which tied into the next, etc...

[The Rodent]

You probably figured I'd do something like this...
Tbh, I don't think space will be a problem on the header if that Forums Link was replaced with Movies


http://i.imgur.com/kDw2BNv.png

[Little Devil]

You probably figured I'd do something like this...
Tbh, I don't think space will be a problem on the header if that Forums Link was replaced with Movies


http://i.imgur.com/kDw2BNv.png
That's exactly what I thought.

[Little Devil]

http://i.imgur.com/PBtm5L0.png

Great feature!


Regards.
Thanks!!

Now I have something to watch :cool:

[Yoda]

First off: nice mockup! :) :up:

The tricky part is that, while there's plenty of room there for you, me, and lots of others, that extra space isn't there for people with smaller resolutions. That's why there's so much seeming empty space on either side of the content: because I keep it restrained to a 960 pixel width container in the center of the page. (Which has the side effect of giving the layout lots of pleasant negative space, anyway.)

All that said, it might be a good time to revisit the resolution market share numbers and see if those smaller widths have become rare enough that I can bump things up slightly. That'd be nice! :)

[The Rodent]

Aahhh, gotcha.
I don't use mobile or whatever myself so I didn't realise there's a difference when it comes to what devices can see.


Damned phones making everyone's lives more difficult :D

[Yoda]

Yeah, multi-platform development is a drag sometimes. But in this case it's as much to do with older monitors and computers. You'd be amazed how long some of those hang around.

There's always going to be someone with some super tiny resolution, but once you get to the point where less than 1% of your visitors are like that, and they're seeing oversized layouts everywhere they go anyway, it's kinda "safe" to design without them in mind. So there's this window of what's safe, and it's always creeping up, but often more slowly than most developers (who are usually well above average in things like resolution) would like, and there's a constant push/pull between providing the best experience for some users without making things too difficult for a minority of others.

Don't develop websites, people. It's awful. :D

[cat_sidhe]

Okay, search added:

http://www.movieforums.com/movies

I just get a blank screen. Is it because of mobile?

[Yoda]

D'oh! Forgot to add the mobile template. I'll have that up in a bit, thanks for the reminder.

The downside of rapid response.

[Dani8]

The downside of rapid response.

That sounds kinky, you norty devil, you!

[Mr Minio]

Thanks!!

Now I have something to watch :cool:
That sounds kinky, you norty devil, you!

Yes, my kinky minions! TAKE OVER MOFO!!!

[MovieMeditation]

This is AMAZING.

Been wanting this and the Clubs thing is awesome too. Good work in this short time, Yodes! :up:

[Ðèstîñy]

You know I'm diggin' this . . . Halloween (1978) (http://www.movieforums.com/movies/948_halloween.html)

At the moment, it's mostly just putting a bunch of existing stuff in one place: links to a quiz (if there is one)

Do we have a quiz for Halloween? If not, I will make one that can be linked to the individual page, as well as the club, if that's something that happens. I'll make a John Carpenter club thread this weekend, and if need be, I can find any threads pertaining to the club, as well.

[Gatsby]

Man, this site gets cooler and cooler every year. Great job Yods.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Great set up.

My Split review is listed under a different film titled Split. Any ideas on future confusion in this regard?

[Yoda]

Great set up.

My Split review is listed under a different film titled Split. Any ideas on future confusion in this regard?
Just a mislabeling (on my part, I think it was), unrelated to the new feature. Fixed now.

[Yoda]

Do we have a quiz for Halloween? If not, I will make one that can be linked to the individual page, as well as the club, if that's something that happens. I'll make a John Carpenter club thread this weekend, and if need be, I can find any threads pertaining to the club, as well.
We do not. Contact our de facto Quizmaster Rodent: he has super magic powers to enter quizzes into the system, and once he does all I have to do is link them up to the DB and it'll show up on the relevant movie page.

I'll try to add another round of Clubs this weekend, but it'll be early or mid next-week at the latest.

[Citizen Rules]

Yoda, I just looked the new individual movie pages over carefully. They're a really nice & useful feature! I really like the layout you have now. I hope it doesn't change too much, and become too cluttered or use too small of font/pics. I call it perfect:p

Questions: On 12 Angry Men individual movie page, under the reviews, there's a short blurb from the reviewers.

Where in the review is the blurb being pulled from?
Is the blurb being pulled manually or by some other means?
For the 12 Angry Men review blurbs, did you hand select those?

How will the review blurbs be pulled for other movies in the future?
What's the character limit size or other paymasters?


So why I'm asking is: if I knew what the parameters were for the individual movie page review blurbs...I would format my own reviews so that a review blurb was generated that made sense and was of use to the reader. (I do like the way the blurbs looked for 12 Angry Men)

[Yoda]

Where in the review is the blurb being pulled from?
Is the blurb being pulled manually or by some other means?
For the 12 Angry Men review blurbs, did you hand select those?

How will the review blurbs be pulled for other movies in the future?
What's the character limit size or other paymasters?
It's drawn from the reviews themselves, and it's automated. There's no one answer to these questions, because it'll try to grab one using one set of criteria, and if it comes up blank or too short, it'll go back and do it with slightly different criteria, and it'll do this up to, like, four times to make sure it almost always gets something. It seems to produce decent excerpts maybe 70% of the time, but it could be better.

So why I'm asking is: if I knew what the parameters were for the individual movie page review blurbs...I would format my own reviews so that a review blurb was generated that made sense and was of use to the reader. (I do like the way the blurbs looked for 12 Angry Men)
That's an interesting idea. I certainly need to be able to generate one automatically, but I would definitely be open to simply adding the option, when someone submits a review, of providing their own excerpt. Obviously many won't have it, but it's not a big issue to display it if they do, and use the current method if they don't.

Any other of our regular reviewers confident they would utilize this?

[Citizen Rules]

...That's an interesting idea. I certainly need to be able to generate one automatically, but I would definitely be open to simply adding the option, when someone submits a review, of providing their own excerpt. Obviously many won't have it, but it's not a big issue to display it if they do, and use the current method if they don't.

Any other of our regular reviewers confident they would utilize this? I wasn't really asking for the ability to manually create my own review blurbs...I just wanted to know what specifics the site used to create them, so that I could custom tailor my reviews. I have to say whatever parameters you do use for the auto blurbs works great! Better than the blurbs you see when doing a Google search. So no complaints at all, I was just curious.

[Yoda]

Okay then. Yeah, even if I gave you the exact specs, it would be pretty darn tricky for anyone to write their review in just the right way without a lot of inconvenience.

If you change your mind and do want a way to provide an excerpt, let me know. Otherwise, I'll probably just tweak the settings a bit here and there and see if I can get it a little better. :)

[Citizen Rules]

I'd try to use the review excerpt feature, if it was available. But either way I'm a happy camper.

[matt72582]

Great idea! Will there be a way for users to add comments to each movie?

There have been many times I wanted to talk about a movie, wanting an opinion, point of view, question, but didn't want to start an entirely new topic just for one minor thing.

[Yoda]

Wasn't planning on any comments, though perhaps it'd be a good idea to see if I can link related threads in there and/or let people create one relatively easily? Hmm...

[CosmicRunaway]

I just noticed a "mention" icon/shortcut, is that related to these new individual pages? Has it always been here and I just never noticed it before? haha

[Yoda]

Ignore that for now. More information forthcoming.

[Gideon58]

Is there going to be a similar tag reference for review threads?

[Yoda]

Sorry, I don't understand the question. Can you elaborate?

[MovieMeditation]

Yoda can we make it so that when we do a review for a movie and it gets approved, it is automatically tagged as "seen"? I realized when reviewng recently, that when I jumped to the individual movie page for the one I reviewed, it wasn't marked as seen.

Would be cool if there was a way. :)

[Yoda]

Great idea! I should have thought of that, because that's exactly the kind of common sense, elegant little addition I normally love. Let me get right back to you.

[The Rodent]

Is there a list anywhere of all the movies I've "seen"?
Also, how does the site know if I've seen something? Is it linked through the Lists or something?

[Yoda]

Is there a list anywhere of all the movies I've "seen"?
Someone asked this earlier: no, not yet, but yes, there will be. Just letting a little more data accumulate.

Also, how does the site know if I've seen something? Is it linked through the Lists or something?
Yes, that's what it started with. From there, it's just anything you mark, either on the individual movie pages, or with those little checkboxes on directors' filmographies in Clubs.

[Chypmunk]

Yoda can we make it so that when we do a review for a movie and it gets approved, it is automatically tagged as "seen"? I realized when reviewng recently, that when I jumped to the individual movie page for the one I reviewed, it wasn't marked as seen.

Would be cool if there was a way. :)
Cracking idea MM - I have to say that what you lack in looks you more than make up for in other departments :)

[The Rodent]

Awesome.
Thanks :D

I'll probably go through the clubs in a few minutes and do some clicking.

[MovieMeditation]

Great idea! I should have thought of that, because that's exactly the kind of common sense, elegant little addition I normally love. Let me get right back to you.
Well, I'm glad to be of service. :)
Cracking idea MM - I have to say that what you lack in looks you more than make up for in other departments :)
I thought I was pretty hot. :shrug: oh well, I guess my ideas most be absolute perfection then. :p

[Chypmunk]

I thought I was pretty hot. :shrug: oh well, I guess my ideas most be absolute perfection then. :p
I thought so too but then someone pointed out you were the one without a tail :D

[MovieMeditation]

In addition to the stuff Rodent is talking about... since we are now creating more "personalized" and individual pages for movies and members and whatnot, Clubs and all, will it ever be a possible to add a feature where you can import your IMDb/Letterboxd movies? I thought since we take our moviedata from that page similar to IMDb that it may be possible and since both IMDb and Letterboxd support it through a particular file that you export and then import on the given database. Would be awesome, but without being an expert, that does sound perhaps a bit too tricky... but it was worth a try. :)

AND in addition to that, how about a "movie count" on each members profile, "Letterboxd style", where you can see how many movies a member have seen and click on it and see which; see his/her reviews/ratings for each movie they have seen etc.

Would be cool. Sorry if I'm asking too much, I'm just trying to help this forum get to the best it can be. :cool:

[The Rodent]

Actually, a movie count would be muchness cool :D


Mark F would probably break it though.

[Yoda]

First thing's first: MM's suggestion should be working now. Once your review is approved, it should mark the film as seen accordingly. Obviously, let me know if you notice any issues, since I whipped it up kinda quick.

In addition to the stuff Rodent is talking about... since we are now creating more "personalized" and individual pages for movies and members and whatnot, Clubs and all, will it ever be a possible to add a feature where you can import your IMDb/Letterboxd movies? I thought since we take our moviedata from that page similar to IMDb that it may be possible and since both IMDb and Letterboxd support it through a particular file that you export and then import on the given database. Would be awesome, but without being an expert, that does sound perhaps a bit too tricky... but it was worth a try. :)
Tricky, but probably doable. However, it'd probably be enough work that I think there'd need to be a fair number of users requesting it. But I can poke around and see if maybe it's easier than I'm expecting it to be.

AND in addition to that, how about a "movie count" on each members profile, "Letterboxd style", where you can see how many movies a member have seen and click on it and see which; see his/her reviews/ratings.
Yeah, this is basically what I'm talking about when I tell people they'll be able to see all their Seen movies. Something like this.

Ratings are something I wanted to include with the launch of the individual movie pages, but it was holding up the release and I figured it can just be added later. So that's definitely still planned: if anything, the main holdup is aesthetic, rather than technical, in that I want to find a solution that's smooth and easy to use intuitively, like the Seen/Unseen button.

Would be cool. Sorry if I'm asking too much, I'm just trying to help this forum get to the best it can be. :cool:
Don't mind at all. Occasionally I'll have to pass even on good ideas just because of time constraints, but provided you don't mind that, I don't mind you guys keeping the suggestions flowing. :)

[The Rodent]

First thing's first: MM's suggestion should be working now. Once your review is approved, it should mark the film as seen accordingly. Obviously, let me know if you notice any issues, since I whipped it up kinda quick.




Just had a quick random check... I randomly picked The Fourth Kind as I reviewed that ages ago... my review is on the movie's page all good and fine, but it's not marked as "seen".


Edit: Just did the same for the 2010 version of Elm Street... same thing, review is there, but not marked as "seen".

[Yoda]

Yeah, it's not retroactive, just going forward.

I guess I could write a script to process the old ones, but things are awfully busy this week, and I'd want to be sure it was actually going to end up processing a lot before digging into that. I'd feel kinda silly if I sat down to write a script for this and it turns out it was just a handful of items.

[Yoda]

If I get all the big projects I'm working on in hand today I'll take a few minutes to see if it's actually the kind of thing that can be done quickly.

[MovieMeditation]

Thanks for all the hard work, Yoda! I already love the site, but these new additions are amazing. Great work! I'll look forward to future tweaks and whatnot. :up:

[MovieMeditation]

I just wanted to jump in and say that the automatic 'seen' thing is working; at least it did with my Emperor's New Groove review. :up:

[The Rodent]

Just had another gander, still not working for me on past reviews :(

[Yoda]

I just wanted to jump in and say that the automatic 'seen' thing is working; at least it did with my Emperor's New Groove review. :up:
Good to know, thanks. I threw that together in like ~40 minutes and only tested it once, so I was less confident than usual. :laugh:

Just had another gander, still not working for me on past reviews :(
Yeah, haven't had time to look at that yet. I'm gonna peek at the underlying relationships a bit and do if it it's not really involved, most likely. Don't bang your heads against the wall checking, though: I'll definitely let ya'll know if and when it happens.

[MovieMeditation]

Just had another gander, still not working for me on past reviews :(
Well, maybe that's because that feature has yet to be added. :laugh:

[The Rodent]

I've just spotted a new addition to the MoFo header ^^^^^
:D

[Yoda]

Took almost 24 hours for someone to say something. :D

Could be more big changes coming to this area soon. We'll see how it goes.

[Citizen Rules]

Took almost 24 hours for someone to say something. :D

Could be more big changes coming to this area soon. We'll see how it goes. I seen it yesterday and almost posted about it but was preoccupied...and I wanted to mention the link is not fully working for me (or maybe it is working and I don't realize it?)

When I'm on MoFos main page (the forum page) and I click the Movie link it just reloads the same forum page. But if I click another link first, then click the Movies link it will occasionally go to the correct page, but mostly it won't.

I tried it with two different browsers on my desktop PC and got the same results.

[The Rodent]

You are definitely clicking the Movies link? And not the MoFo logo next to it :laugh:

[Yoda]

I'd say you're probably trying to click on the far left on the link and inadvertently clicking on the logo link, which is actually a square around the logo (rather than "hugging" the contours of the banners and reel and all that). This was particularly hard to avoid on iPads until this morning, when I made a tweak to the stylesheet that spaced them out a bit more.

Hopefully it's a bit better, now, but I'm going to keep tweaking all this now that we have a new menu option.

[Citizen Rules]

I'd say you're probably trying to click on the far left on the link and inadvertently clicking on the logo link, which is actually a square around the logo (rather than "hugging" the contours of the banners and reel and all that). This was particularly hard to avoid on iPads until this morning, when I made a tweak to the stylesheet that spaced them out a bit more.

Hopefully it's a bit better, now, but I'm going to keep tweaking all this now that we have a new menu option.It's still doing it. You're right that it's the logo link to the left side that is getting clicked inadvertently.

I just tried it and even if I drag my cursor from right side to the Movie link, it still actives the logo link. I did this a number of times and if my cursor is on the s of Movies it works correctly, but if I go any further left, even to the e it then actives the logo link.

[Yoda]

Yeah, we're on the same page, don't worry, it's just that the exact alignment is going to differ a bit. For visualization, though, it helps to imagine the logo link extending as far as that rightmost gray "ray" that sticks out above the navigation a bit.

Can you let me know what your screen resolution is (http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/)?

[Chypmunk]

Can you let me know what your screen resolution is (http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/)?
Just a guess but I'd say he's using 6 x 4 :D

[The Rodent]

Rectangular.

[Yoda]

Heh.

I'm thinking 1024x768. Which almost makes me wonder if he's on a tablet, though I'm guessing he'd have mentioned that already.

[Citizen Rules]

I have a PC. Screen resolution is 1440 x 900

I just wondered, if it might not be my Firefox add on No Squint, that allows me to increase font and zoom individually on web sites. I will go turn that off and post back.

[Yoda]

Oh, yeah, definitely deactivate anything that would mess with zoom.

That seems fairly likely, if only because I can resize my window to literally any size and 1024 pixels wide is the only point at which the majority of "Movies" is overtaken by the logo.

[Citizen Rules]

Mystery solved:p It was my Firefox add on, No Squint, which was set to 105% zoom. When I turned it to the null point 100% the links worked perfectly. Sorry! for the false alarm!

[Yoda]

No worries, glad it's sorted out. :)

[Citizen Rules]

I like the link placement, nice and easy to see, and the individual movie page is a great feature. And now I know how to use it:p

[The Rodent]

I just had a thought... might be a bit complex to write and implicate on the site though.


MoFo reviews and quizzes and the like, are all connected to the individual movies page.


Well, is there a way for the official reviews to have an accumulative popcorn rating on the Individual Movies page?
So basically, when you go onto the movies page, and for instance look at The Martian, you can see a list of all the reviews and who has favourited the movie as well... but one thing missing is an average score?


What I mean is, The Martian has 8 reviews, with popcorn ratings of 5, 5, 5, 4, 4, 3, 3, and 2.5... so on average, based on MoFo's reviews, that's 31.5 out of 40... or 78%... which is the same as 4.


Maybe even, for people who don't write reviews, have an option on the movie's page to click one of the 11 different popcorn ratings which then goes toward the accumulative score as well.

[Yoda]

Well, is there a way for the official reviews to have an accumulative popcorn rating on the Individual Movies page?
So basically, when you go onto the movies page, and for instance look at The Martian, you can see a list of all the reviews and who has favourited the movie as well... but one thing missing is an average score?
Yup! That's exactly what's planned. MM asked something similar on the previous page:

Ratings are something I wanted to include with the launch of the individual movie pages, but it was holding up the release and I figured it can just be added later. So that's definitely still planned: if anything, the main holdup is aesthetic, rather than technical, in that I want to find a solution that's smooth and easy to use intuitively, like the Seen/Unseen button.
The average rating thing from the reviews I could have up in five minutes, but I'd rather have a fuller solution that lets people who haven't reviewed it rate them, too. And while that's also fairly easy, I want it to be just right.

Also have to sort out some tricky logic about how to handle ratings from people who've already rated the film via review. But the rating stuff is coming sooner rather than later, for sure. :up:

[Camo]

What are you going to do the average ratings out of? 5 or 10 or 100 or what? Or have you not decided.

[The Rodent]

I think the standard 5 popcorns would be best tbh. It'll tie in with the rest of the site :)

[Yoda]

Yeah, definitely would be popcorn-based. I'm not against giving people more granular control if they're searching or filtering or something, though, potentially. But the at-a-glance rating would be popcorns.

[The Rodent]

98.5%
rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rati ng_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_3_5


:laugh:

[MonnoM]

So I take it that the ratings are going to be on our profiles as well. Would be great to see favorites and general ratings.

[Yoda]

Update!

Well, maybe that's because that feature has yet to be added. :laugh:
This should be added now, even retroactively. It involved several steps with a lot of moving parts, but I'm like 90% sure I did it right. :D

If anyone wants to pick a few of their reviews at random and click on the More Info link at the bottom to see if it's marked seen, that would be appreciated. If you pick a few you're pretty sure you never checked off, and they all look checked off, and 2-3 of you do it, that'll probably be enough to verify I didn't accidentally blow everything up.

[jal90]

Wait, what! How did I miss this? It's amazing, and far more complete than I expected it to be (it's only been a week after all)!

Thanks for the great work here, Yoda.

[MovieMeditation]

I just checked the first few pages of my oldest reviews, movies range from big blockbusters to small indie flicks, so definitely gonna be something in there I never checked off for a fact - and I would also say that 90% of those old films are some that never appeared on official mofo wide lists and since the movie feature is new I never went and checked them off either...

AND yes, they are all checked off, Yoda. You did it (I'm pretty sure). :D

(Oh and I really love the individual movie pages design and how it is simple, neat and goes with the forum design - good work here as well)

[MovieMeditation]

98.5%
rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rati ng_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_5rating_3_5


:laugh:
Despite joking, obviously, it would be cool to have both - but keeping the popcorn rating at a standard 0.5-5. So it could be like 3.5 - 76.5% - and then with the precise rating in percentage next to it, under it, or whatever fits best. That way it would make it easier to seperate all the 100s of movies which would end up getting the sams average in popcorn language. :D

[Yoda]

Wait, what! How did I miss this? It's amazing, and far more complete than I expected it to be (it's only been a week after all)!
Thanks. :) I'm not populating it manually, though, which is why it went from 0-everything on launch.

I just checked the first few pages of my oldest reviews, movies range from big blockbusters to small indie flicks, so definitely gonna be something in there I never checked off for a fact - and I would also say that 90% of those old films are some that never appeared on official mofo wide lists and since the movie feature is new I never went and checked them off either...

AND yes, they are all checked off, Yoda. You did it (I'm pretty sure). :D
Whew, good to know. Thanks for confirming.

(Oh and I really love the individual movie pages design and how it is simple, neat and goes with the forum design - good work here as well)
Thanks a lot: I went through a few variations, and this is similar to some of the earlier designs. It'll be a little challenging to keep it clean and usable when I add more (which won't be too long), but hopefully it won't lose that simplicity.

Despite joking, obviously, it would be cool to have both - but keeping the popcorn rating at a standard 0.5-5. So it could be like 3.5 - 76.5% - and then with the precise rating in percentage next to it, under it, or whatever fits best. That way it would make it easier to seperate all the 100s of movies which would end up getting the sams average in popcorn language. :D
Yeah, I'll probably just have it visible via a tooltip or something, for people who want the details.

[Dani8]

Yeah, I'll probably just have it visible via a tooltip or something, for people who want the details.

I thought that said trollop.

[Yoda]

That'd certainly drive traffic.

[The Rodent]

I've just spotted a new thing... Top 10 faves on profiles aren't linked to the individual pages.
Like, The Cabin In The Woods is my #2 movie, and shows up on the movie's page that I have it as my #2, but it's marked as Unseen.

[Yoda]

Hmmm. Not sure if I should mark those automatically, since people put joke ones in their profile a lot and play around with the system, and it might not occur to them it would happen automatically.

[Yoda]

Small update: I've added a popcorn rating based on the average review score. For now it's just tacked onto the end of the film's overview, but it'll probably get moved.

The next step is letting people rate films without reviewing them, and incorporating that into the average. As I alluded to earlier, there's a handful of decisions to be made about how to handle that. IE: if someone's already reviewed a film, and they want to rate it...what then? Can they? Does it overwrite the review rating, or does the review take priority? Et cetera.

After thinking about it a bit, my inclination is to use the review rating by default, but let them rate it anyway...and if they do, it overrides the review rating. Might be a little weird for the author's "on the record" rating to be different from the one actually on their review, but it seems like the least bad option.

Anyway, with that decision all-but-made, I should be able to focus on making the rating process as soon as possible, and once that's done, it can be incorporated in lots of other places. Hopefully won't be too long.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Finally I can come here to get a general consensus for a film rating instead of that now defunct IMDB.

[Fabulous]

Finally I can come here to get a general consensus for a film rating instead of that now defunct IMDB.
They only removed their message boards. The rating system is still there. Or have they made more changes?

[Citizen Rules]

...The next step is letting people rate films without reviewing them, and incorporating that into the average... I wonder if we'll get some joker, who will then rate all the films with say, Adam Sandler (or whoever they hate) at rating_0 without ever having watched them, just to screw around. I'm sure that was done as a prank at IMDB untold 1000s of times. And with MoFo being much smaller than IMDB, even one person who did that, could really screw up the average pop corn rating on a movie page.

So how about doing 2 different averaged popcorn ratings on the individual movie page? 1 of them could be (as you described) based on the average of anyone who chooses to rate that movie.

A 2nd popcorn score could be a 'reviewers' only average score based solely on those people who took the time to write a review that's logged into the MoFo system.

It would be neat to have both popcorn average ratings, side by side, as a person could then compare the general rating to the reviewers rating and gleam more information about the movie.

And as someone who reviews a lot, I think that's important as an incentive for us reviewers to keep writing reviews. Hopefully it's not to much work. I don't really see a down side, as more info is useful.

[MonnoM]

Small update: I've added a popcorn rating based on the average review score. For now it's just tacked onto the end of the film's overview, but it'll probably get moved.

The next step is letting people rate films without reviewing them, and incorporating that into the average. As I alluded to earlier, there's a handful of decisions to be made about how to handle that. IE: if someone's already reviewed a film, and they want to rate it...what then? Can they? Does it overwrite the review rating, or does the review take priority? Et cetera.

After thinking about it a bit, my inclination is to use the review rating by default, but let them rate it anyway...and if they do, it overrides the review rating. Might be a little weird for the author's "on the record" rating to be different from the one actually on their review, but it seems like the least bad option.

Anyway, with that decision all-but-made, I should be able to focus on making the rating process as soon as possible, and once that's done, it can be incorporated in lots of other places. Hopefully won't be too long.

Would it be at all possible to add these ratings to profiles? Similar to favorites and such.

[Yoda]

I wonder if we'll get some joker, who will then rate all the films with say, Adam Sandler (or whoever they hate) at rating_0 without ever having watched them, just to screw around. I'm sure that was done as a prank at IMDB untold 1000s of times. And with MoFo being much smaller than IMDB, even one person who did that, could really screw up the average pop corn rating on a movie page.

So how about doing 2 different averaged popcorn ratings on the individual movie page? 1 of them could be (as you described) based on the average of anyone who chooses to rate that movie.

A 2nd popcorn score could be a 'reviewers' only average score based solely on those people who took the time to write a review that's logged into the MoFo system.

It would be neat to have both popcorn average ratings, side by side, as a person could then compare the general rating to the reviewers rating and gleam more information about the movie.

And as someone who reviews a lot, I think that's important as an incentive for us reviewers to keep writing reviews. Hopefully it's not to much work. I don't really see a down side, as more info is useful.
It's actually less work to do two ratings, but I worry it'd be a little confusing. I don't mind having a separate average listed somewhere for reviews only, but I need a singular rating I can put elsewhere on the site, like search results, or on list entries. So even if there were two, one would have to be chosen as the "official" version for those purposes, anyway.

But you raise a good point about junk ratings. Unfortunately, most of the solutions are worse than the problem. We could normalize the data somehow, like finding the median, tossing out outliers, etc., but calling the result an "Average Rating" feels pretty disingenuous. We could exclude ratings from newer members, but that's not very welcoming, and we'd need a script that runs each day that figures out which users have met the cutoff (either in posts or tenure), and then recalculates the average for each film they've rated. That's a lot of work, and a lot of moving parts, for such a straightforward feature.

I think the easiest version--and the one with the fewest downsides--is just to let everyone rate everything however they want, and have a script which just checks for any users going on a spree (lots of 1s and 0s or lots of 5s, I suppose), and then we judge case-by-case if it's genuine or not. And if it's not, it'll be easy to delete their ratings en masse.

[Yoda]

Would it be at all possible to add these ratings to profiles? Similar to favorites and such.
Yeah, I've already started work on a page that shows everything you've marked as Seen, and that'll definitely incorporate any ratings you give the films in question.

[Joel]

Not sure if this was brought up or is appropriate for this thread, but in relation to reps and ratings, it'd be great to rep the reviews direct from the movie search function..and also to see which reps are from who. This sitre is so much better than what I've seen of FB, though FB has some features that would make this site the be all end all. Skip the cat pitcures in the news feed, choose your category! :P

[Yoda]

Not sure if this was brought up or is appropriate for this thread, but in relation to reps and ratings, it'd be great to rep the reviews direct from the movie search function
Need to clarify this a bit: do you mean let people rep directly on reviews, like this one (https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/1664945-kong-skull-island.html)? I assume this is what you mean, but the mention of "movie search" is what makes me ask, since we have a search box on the Movies (https://www.movieforums.com/movies) page.

If you mean the former, on the reviews, that has indeed been suggested, and it's on my to-do list. I have it a lot lower in priority than other things, but I do think it's a good idea.

and also to see which reps are from who.
Well, everyone can see their own (though, speaking of which, maybe I should make the rep clickable so you can see everyone who repped it, if you're viewing your own post?). But I do worry about making it viewable for everyone else; the anonymity seems important. I'm not sure.

The biggest issue, though, is that because people have left all the rep to date expecting it to be private, it wouldn't be fair to make it public retroactively. So, even if we wanted to do this, I'd have to hide all the rep before the switch, and only display the rep given after, which kind of muddles the whole thing.

[Joel]

Need to clarify this a bit: do you mean let people rep directly on reviews, like this one (https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/1664945-kong-skull-island.html)? I assume this is what you mean, but the mention of "movie search" is what makes me ask, since we have a search box on the Movies (https://www.movieforums.com/movies) page.

If you mean the former, on the reviews, that has indeed been suggested, and it's on my to-do list. I have it a lot lower in priority than other things, but I do think it's a good idea.


Well, everyone can see their own (though, speaking of which, maybe I should make the rep clickable so you can see everyone who repped it, if you're viewing your own post?). But I do worry about making it viewable for everyone else; the anonymity seems important. I'm not sure.

The biggest issue, though, is that because people have left all the rep to date expecting it to be private, it wouldn't be fair to make it public retroactively. So, even if we wanted to do this, I'd have to hide all the rep before the switch, and only display the rep given after, which kind of muddles the whole thing.

exactly right, yoda. I just PM'd you. Sorry to hijack here. But yes...only visible to us (upvotes and by whom), but hoverable instead of relying on notifications which seem to expire after you've seen them, might help with familiarity?..while the movie search would be just that, search "movies" tab,open up movie info page, see review option at bottom, and upvote each review from there when done reading it. Yes to your question on the Kong review, that exact scenario.

[TheUsualSuspect]

They only removed their message boards. The rating system is still there. Or have they made more changes?

They are, but with the message boards gone, the user database will take a big hit. Which in turn, I believe will affect the ratings of films.

[Yoda]

exactly right, yoda. I just PM'd you. Sorry to hijack here. But yes...only visible to us (upvotes and by whom), but hoverable instead of relying on notifications which seem to expire after you've seen them, might help with familiarity?
This is something I've actually been thinking of for awhile. Could probably have it done pretty quick, too. Stay tuned.

while the movie search would be just that, search a film, see review option at bottom, and upvote each review from there.
Ah, so not the individual reviews, like I linked before, but from the individual movie pages, like this one (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/155_the-dark-knight.html)?

I could do that, though the logic of automatically upvoting a review that hasn't been read (since, from that page, you can only see a tiny excerpt) seems off, to me. At least, if it's on the individual reviews, the person has seen the thing they're upvoting. So I'm inclined to add it there, but not in places where the full post isn't actually visible, if that makes sense.

[Joel]

This is something I've actually been thinking of for awhile. Could probably have it done pretty quick, too. Stay tuned.


Ah, so not the individual reviews, like I linked before, but from the individual movie pages, like this one (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/155_the-dark-knight.html)?

I could do that, though the logic of automatically upvoting a review that hasn't been read (since, from that page, you can only see a tiny excerpt) seems off, to me. At least, if it's on the individual reviews, the person has seen the thing they're upvoting. So I'm inclined to add it there, but not in places where the full post isn't actually visible, if that makes sense.

I updated my post to be more thorough, sorry for the confusion. But, to answer you, No, I was referring to the full page review, not the excerpt. I agree that would be silly to rate a review you didn't read :)

[Yoda]

Got it, thanks. Yes, definitely. Was going to happen anyway, but since another person specifically requested it, I'll see about getting that done sooner rather than later. Probably still a bit after the ratings and all that.

The shortcut for seeing who repped a given post of yours, though, I'll do right now.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Small update: I've added a popcorn rating based on the average review score. For now it's just tacked onto the end of the film's overview, but it'll probably get moved.

Has this been moved? I noticed the average review score is no longer tagged at the end of the blurb.

[Yoda]

You happened to load the page right in the middle of the incoming changes... :eek:

[Yoda]

Okay, it's up: you can now rate movies individually. It's not on mobile yet, but that shouldn't be long, once I've confirmed there aren't any major issues with the desktop version.

A few notes:

You can remove or change your rating at any time.
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If you've reviewed a film, your rating is already in the DB. However, you can overwrite it from the individual movie changes. It won't go back and change the rating on your review, but it will take priority over your review rating.
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The film will automatically be marked Seen if you rate it, though it won't be unmarked if you remove the rating (since, logically, you can see a movie and not rate it, but you can't rate it without seeing it).
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I've added a search box on each movie page. Next step, hopefully, is incorporating movie search into the thread/post search in the header.
This page is getting a tad crowded (at least, relative to the extremely clean layouts I prefer, when possible), so some of this stuff might be rearranged, if I can come up with something better.

[Yoda]

Oh, and preemptively: yes, these ratings will be incorporated into the big Seen Log page; just have to make some decisions about how to display all that information.

[Citizen Rules]

I like it! I just rated Star Wars Return of the Jedi (a film I've never reviewed). I liked the way you have Your Rating and Average Rating, side by side. I also like how I can drag my mouse cursor over the popcorn bags and the numerical rating scores pop up automatically for me to see, then I click the one I want. Very cool:p

I dislike crowded web pages too, but, the movie pages don't look too crowded to me, I like them.

[Camo]

Going to add my ratings for the movies i've seen this year later.

I have the only (tagged at least) review for three different movies :cool:. Day of Wrath, Paisan and The Brood. Surprised The Brood hadn't been reviewed.

[Tugg]

Is it possible or will there be possible to see highest ranked movies or movies ranked by most people and such?

[Yoda]

Is it possible or will there be possible to see highest ranked movies or movies ranked by most people and such?
Aye, definitely. Gonna let the system collect some more data (since nearly all of the ratings now are just from reviews), but I think we'll probably have stuff like that on the Movies (http://www.movieforums.com/movies) page, in addition to the search box that's there now.

[Citizen Rules]

Question: was the little red X, that's under Your Rating:, there this morning? I don't remember it seeing it (but I was tired). I don't why but it makes me think of some type of warning. Not a fan of the X in that location. (Just giving some feedback):)

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=29482&stc=1&d=1490133178

[Yoda]

Question: was the little red X, that's under Your Rating:, there this morning?
No, it was added along with the ability to rate films: it allows you to remove the rating.

I don't why but it makes me think of some type of warning.
I don't think it's particularly weird that a big red X reminds you of a warning. :laugh:

Not a fan of the X in that location. (Just giving some feedback):)
Don't worry, you don't need to qualify criticism, particularly when it's constructive.

As for the location: where would you suggest it be? Keep in mind it needs to stay close to the rating. I originally had it on the other side of the rating image, but that means either a) having it "push" the rating over when it fades into view, or b) having extra blank space to the left of the rating even before the person knows what it's for. Having it after avoids both.

[Joel]

Awesome work!

[Yoda]

Thanks. :)

On Citizen's suggestion, I replaced the red X with a yellow minus sign. I might tweak the color, size, or style a bit. When I was laying everything out, I had a similar feeling to CR, about it seeming too much like an error and drawing the eye more than made sense for the option, so I think this is better.

[Citizen Rules]

The yellow minus sign looks better than the red X, but I'm still not a fan of it. I'll try to explain...

As for the location: where would you suggest it be? Keep in mind it needs to stay close to the rating.I liked it much better the way you had it before:
I originally had it on the other side of the rating image, but that means either a) having it "push" the rating over when it fades into view, or b) having extra blank space to the left of the rating even before the person knows what it's for. the reason why is: the Remove Your Rating was more or less out of sight, but still there if needed.

It seems to me the ability for someone to remove their rating, isn't going to be used much at all, as you have already provided for the ability for us to be able to go back and change the rating (a neat option too). I would guess someone removing a rating would only happen if they inadvertently rated a movie they hadn't seen. So maybe the way it was, would work(as it would be used much anyway).

Maybe it's just me, but the user rating is something cool for us to see, like a little badge of honor, or somthing we earned (or did) and having something on the end of it like the yellow minus sign seems to take away from the rating itself. It's like information overloaded (at least for me.) I know that might sound silly, but I guess it's a visual thing.

[Omnizoa]

Very cool, very nice, and very colorful, I'd been thinking those links ought to have gone to some sort of info page.

[Omnizoa]

Thought: Since we can tag movies as seen or not, could "# movies seen" not be a user profile stat? Or perhaps even a number on each movie's page how many MoFo's have seen it (maybe next to average rating)?

[Yoda]

It seems to me the ability for someone to remove their rating, isn't going to be used much at all, as you have already provided for the ability for us to be able to go back and change the rating (a neat option too). I would guess someone removing a rating would only happen if they inadvertently rated a movie they hadn't seen. So maybe the way it was, would work(as it would be used much anyway).
I agree it might not be used much, but I think the option has to be there. And if it's there at all, and on the left, it doesn't matter how often it's used, because the gap I'm talking about will always show. It looks like this:

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Only other option is "bumping" it over to make room, which is a pretty big UX no-no, particularly with any element the user interacts with. Because then, they click on it, and suddenly their mouse is over a different part of what they clicked on.

Maybe it's just me, but the user rating is something cool for us to see, like a little badge of honor, or somthing we earned (or did) and having something on the end of it like the yellow minus sign seems to take away from the rating itself. It's like information overloaded (at least for me.) I know that might sound silly, but I guess it's a visual thing.
Nah, doesn't sound silly. I get what you're saying.

I think the best compromise I can manage without creating some other problem is just toning down the color or size a little bit. Slightly smaller, paler yellow (or even light gray). I'll play around. EDIT: I've changed it to one of the beige tones used elsewhere on the site and bumped the size down a little, and I'm cutting the opacity in half, only restoring it to full opacity when the mouse hovers over it. I think, all together, this helps a fair bit.

Either way, appreciate the suggestions, and I do think replacing the red X was a good idea. :up:

[Yoda]

Thought: Since we can tag movies as seen or not, could "# movies seen" not be a user profile stat? Or perhaps even a number on each movie's page how many MoFo's have seen it (maybe next to average rating)?
Yeah, I can't tell you exactly how stuff like this will happen yet, because managing the finite space on these pages is usually the biggest hurdle, but in a word: yes. Either this, or stuff a lot like this, will happen.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Yoda, extremely nice and clean.

This site is looking better and better with each update. More user interaction with film ratings and reviews, I like it. Kudos.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I'm going to go through my IMDB ratings and convert them over here.


Will there ever be a user ratings list? See how many people have rated films all together?

Also, how do ratings of a ZERO affect a film? Since there is no difference between a haven't seen it rating and a rating of a zero for a film. Just asking, for Carnivore (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/97544_carnivore.html). :p

[Yoda]

Yoda, extremely nice and clean.

This site is looking better and better with each update. More user interaction with film ratings and reviews, I like it. Kudos.
Thanks a lot. :) That's good to hear after the time put into it. I worried, in particular, that I was wasting too much time on layout when I had most of the functionality done long ago.

I'm going to go through my IMDB ratings and convert them over here.
If IMDB gives you a way to export them, send me an exported file, and I'll see how easy an import script is.

Will there ever be a user ratings list? See how many people have rated films all together?
Yeah, the plan is to do...well, all the basic stuff you're likely to want. Per-user lists of seen films and ratings, aggregated stats, etc. I'll probably start toying with layout ideas as soon as next week.

Also, how do ratings of a ZERO affect a film? Since there is no difference between a haven't seen it rating and a rating of a zero for a film. Just asking, for Carnivore (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/97544_carnivore.html). :p
Good catch: because the script doesn't let you rate 0s (just 0.5s), I was excluding the reviews with zeroes (since reviews do allow it) for the time being, for consistency. I'll let them through, though, for now, and take a crack at jury-rigging some little space to the left of the popcorn that lets you do that. Stay tuned.

[Yoda]

Quick update:

Good catch: because the script doesn't let you rate 0s (just 0.5s), I was excluding the reviews with zeroes (since reviews do allow it) for the time being, for consistency. I'll let them through, though, for now, and take a crack at jury-rigging some little space to the left of the popcorn that lets you do that. Stay tuned.
I've added the ability to rate films as 0s; there's a little blank space just to the left of the popcorn rating image that triggers it. I spent a bit of time trying to settle on how much width felt "right," and I think the result feels reasonably intuitive.

Let me know if you guys have any issues with it. Preemptively, though, I'm not sure a lot can be done to make it easy to click on mobile devices not using the mobile style. Speaking of which, no issues with the system in general yet, so I'm going to try to get it added to the mobile style later today.

[Camo]

Letterboxd doesn't allow you to give films zero and it felt so wrong giving Repulsion half a star so good stuff.

[Yoda]

:laugh:

I did toy with the idea of just saying "whatever, 0.5 is low enough," but that was more out of a desire to avoid having to sit down and fix it, I think. And since a lot of reviews have already given films zeroes, it had to be done.

[rauldc14]

I don't think I've given anything a zero yet.

[Camo]

I don't think I've given anything a zero yet.

Think i'd only give zero to Repulsion, Kazaam and The Exorcist II. Repulsion is not a bad film but i had a really horrible and uncomfortable time watching it. The other two are just completely painfully bad, other awful films like Date Movie, Meet The Spartans, etc, at least have a few dumb moments i laugh at that give them a 0.5. Then there's stuff like The Room, Showgirls, Batman Forever, Scary Movie 1 and 2, etc, that are completely terrible but i enjoy them anyway. Plus Showgirls and Batman Forever have great visuals.

[Swan]

I give Camo's rating of Repulsion 0

[rauldc14]

Meet the Spartans is a .5/10 because I did chuckle a couple times.

[Camo]

I give Camo's rating of Repulsion 0

You repulse me.

[rauldc14]

It repulses me that I haven't seen Repulsion.

[seanc]

Hausa 0

[rauldc14]

Hausa 0

You're kidding right?

[Swan]

Hausa 0

What the hell is this Hausa you speak of? A rip-off of Hausu, or something?

;)

[seanc]

What the hell is this Hausa you speak of? A rip-off of Hausu, or something?

;)

A Zucker production

[seanc]

You're kidding right?

Not even a little bit

[Camo]

He meant House as in Dr Hausu.

[Yoda]

Hey, this thread is strictly for showering me with praise and/or asking about features I've already discussed.

[Mr Minio]

Hausa 0 seanc 0

[Swan]

Wow, fantastic feature, Yoda! Great job!

http://i.imgur.com/wZG8f5I.png?1

[seanc]

Hey, this thread is strictly for showering me with praise and/or asking about features I've already discussed.

This feature rocks, you're the best Yoda. It give me the opportunity to rate Hausu 0 because it's one of the worst things I have ever sat through. Also, you rock.

[rauldc14]

Hausu 4

[Mr Minio]

It give me the opportunity to rate Hausu 0 because it's one of the worst things I have ever sat through. ONE OF THE BEST THINGS I HAVE EVER FAPPED THROUGH

[Camo]

House not seen

Edit: wow i wrote not seen in the middle and it came up zero stars :rotfl:

[Citizen Rules]

Hey, this thread is strictly for showering me with praise and/or asking about features I've already discussed.Props deserved:) the individual movie pages are a great new addition!

Question, I just noticed a movie I reviewed some time ago, Dial M for Murder (1954) (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1572251#post1572251) doesn't have my popcorn rating filled out on the individual movie page (https://www.movieforums.com/movies/521_dial-m-for-murder.html). Not a big deal as I can do it manually. But how common is it for the algorithms to miss picking up a reviewer's rating from an approved review?

[Citizen Rules]

Update...now my rating is there on the Dial M for Murder movie page. I swear it wasn't.

[Yoda]

Yeah, I wrote a script to import all the review ratings right before releasing this, so they should all be in there already.

[Yoda]

Okay, added ratings (and the ability to rate) to the mobile style. If anyone using that has any issues, let me know. :)

[Joel]

Yoda.

Will there eventually be a feature to upvote a review from the page, instead of clicking on the person's profile and sfiting through to find the review? I think I've already mentioned this so my apologies if I have. Don;t wanna be a PITA.

[Camo]

Yoda.

Will there eventually be a feature to upvote a review from the page, instead of clicking on the person's profile and sfiting through to find the review? I think I've already mentioned this so my apologies if I have. Don;t wanna be a PITA.

I've wondered this too. There's a link inside the review page to take you to where it was originally posted so you can rep it but that kind of defeats the purpose of having an individual page for it.

[Joel]

I've wondered this too. There's a link inside the review page to take you to where it was originally posted so you can rep it but that kind of defeats the purpose of having an individual page for it.

Ah, OK. I guess if I had actually investigated this, I would've known, ha.

[Camo]

Ah, OK. I guess if I had actually investigated this, I would've known, ha.

No, i'm agreeing with you. Glad you brought it up coz i forgot to.

To get to where it was originally posted on the review post it will say "by whatever member" below that there'll be a clickable link saying posted on whichever date; click on that and it'll take you to the original post.

That is really tucked away though, if someone got alot from the review and wanted to rep it that isn't that easy to figure out and if they are new they may not know how to find it easily.

[Yoda]

You did indeed ask a handful of pages ago, and I confirmed that it's been on the list, but that I'd bump it higher up. Now that the ratings are up and running, pretty good chance I'll be able to get to it soonish. Don't mind the reminder, either. :)

[TheUsualSuspect]

and I confirmed that it's been on the list, but that I'd bump it higher up.

Can I see this list???? :p

[Yoda]

It's not as exciting as it probably sounds.

I did post part of the giant to-do list for the relaunch a few years ago, though. And I was thinking of whether or not to start a poll asking people which big feature should get added next. Though I think that choice is straightforward enough that I'll probably just choose myself.

[Yoda]

Okay: you can now rep reviews right on the review itself.

Per usual, this is just on desktop for now. Unlike ratings, though, it may or may not end up on mobile, since it's not basic functionality, and I want to keep the mobile site as clean as possible.

[Citizen Rules]

Okay: you can now rep reviews right on the review itself. I just tried and I gave myself a rep from the movie review page for a couple movies that I had reviewed. Of course I'm not interested in repping myself, I was just seeing if it was possible and it was.

[Yoda]

If you refresh the page, you should find that it didn't actually "take." That said, thanks for reminding me to hide the thumb altogether for the author! :) Should be fixed now.

[Citizen Rules]

That worked, no I can't rep my own reviews anymore! (which is good)

[Joel]

That worked, no I can't rep my own reviews anymore! (which is good)

Testing quick reply via talk bubble. It activates the reply box but does not automtically navigate me to bottom of page on iphone SE using Safari browser.

[Joel]

That worked, no I can't rep my own reviews anymore! (which is good)

Testing quick reply via talk bubble. It activates the reply box but does not automtically navigate me to bottom of page on iphone SE using Safari browser.

Instead, when I click talk bubble nothing happens. However, after clicking bubble- if I scroll to bottom page, it does have the quoted qwik reply box already allocated for me.

[Yoda]

Testing quick reply via talk bubble. It activates the reply box but does not automtically navigate me to bottom of page on iphone SE using Safari browser.
Huh, that's surprising. Wonder if I broke something with these changes. Will look into it.

[Omnizoa]

Okay: you can now rep reviews right on the review itself.
Sweet. Not sure if this has been asked, but how are review excerpts determined? I notice a few lines are taken from reviews and appear on the movie page?

[Yoda]

Sweet. Not sure if this has been asked, but how are review excerpts determined? I notice a few lines are taken from reviews and appear on the movie page?
We've talked about it a bit, but yeah, and some of yours are pretty amusing: Sometimes, code is funny (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=47953).

It's just a simple algorithm that tries to grab something from the middle of each review and make sure it's a full sentence. It needs tweaking, though: I want to exclude the shorter and longer ones. It's always going to produce some goofy results, unfortunately, but it can probably still be significantly better.

[Omnizoa]

We've talked about it a bit, but yeah, and some of yours are pretty amusing: Sometimes, code is funny (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=47953).
http://38.media.tumblr.com/b8d25424bdb8324ff1da31f879b11437/tumblr_inline_nbp4x7EXSf1s5jo86.gif

Yyyeah, I notice I'm the only one to give a rating to Ink and it's a 5/5, but you wouldn't guess it from the excerpt.

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It's just a simple algorithm that tries to grab something from the middle of each review and make sure it's a full sentence. It needs tweaking, though: I want to exclude the shorter and longer ones. It's always going to produce some goofy results, unfortunately, but it can probably still be significantly better.
Okay. In the meanwhile I'm gonna look for some of those goofy ones.

[Yoda]

Good idea. There are some gems out there.

Your excerpt for John Wick makes me really want to leave it as-is, because it's tremendous, but yeah, gotta improve it.

[Omnizoa]

Umm... was using the image insert button on that last one for the Insert BBCode and now those images don't display on the review page (https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/1675893-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail.html).

[Omnizoa]

Something doesn't like me.

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=29546&stc=1&d=1490539679

[Yoda]

Can you link me to the page where you saw that second error? I can have that fixed shortly. The insert attachment thing might take a bit longer. Still working on that.

[Omnizoa]

Can you link me to the page where you saw that second error? I can have that fixed shortly. The insert attachment thing might take a bit longer. Still working on that.
I was trying to click the "More About Movie" link at the bottom of the review page I linked.

[Yoda]

Okay, thanks. That's fixed. Still working on the image thing, but the errors should be gone.

[Omnizoa]

Okay, thanks. That's fixed. Still working on the image thing, but the errors should be gone.
It's working now.

I feel like that Insert Image option takes a bit more fiddling than just Copy Link > Place Cursor > Insert Image > Paste.

[Yoda]

I'd assumed the fact that one is a click, and the other is a few steps and actions, would make it easier, though that might not be true if someone was already used to the old one and can do it without even thinking any more.

Certainly fine if someone wants to do it the old way. It won't remove the thumbnail at the end, but that's no big deal.

[Omnizoa]

I'd assumed the fact that one is a click, and the other is a few steps and actions, would make it easier, though that might not be true if someone was already used to the old one and can do it without even thinking any more.

Certainly fine if someone wants to do it the old way. It won't remove the thumbnail at the end, but that's no big deal.
Unless you'd like a reference page to check how your fix is working, I'll re-link those images then.

[Yoda]

If you leave up the one you linked to so I can debug with it, that'd be cool. Thank you.

[Omnizoa]

If you leave up the one you linked to so I can debug with it, that'd be cool. Thank you.
Go for it.

[Chypmunk]

Just a suggestion: somewhere by the average rating it might be worth putting how many individual ratings comprise that average?

(even as part of the mouseover would be ok imo)

[Yoda]

Yeah, I was thinking about adding that to the tooltip. Thanks for the nudge.

EDIT: okay, done.

[Omnizoa]

Yeah, I was thinking about adding that to the tooltip. Thanks for the nudge.

EDIT: okay, done.
Nice. :up:

[Yoda]

Umm... was using the image insert button on that last one for the Insert BBCode and now those images don't display on the review page (https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/1675893-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail.html).
Okay, cool, it should work now.

[Omnizoa]

Umm... was using the image insert button on that last one for the Insert BBCode and now those images don't display on the review page (https://www.movieforums.com/reviews/1675893-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail.html).
Okay, cool, it should work now.
Looks like it works to me.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I love how it's mainly Iroquois and myself reviewing and rating all the Twilight movies.

[Omnizoa]

No reviews, I'm surprised.

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[Omnizoa]

New search options: Sort By Most Reviews? Sort By Highest Average Rating?

[Yoda]

You mean on the eventual general stats movie page, or whatever we end up doing? If so, most definitely.

[Omnizoa]

You mean on the eventual general stats movie page, or whatever we end up doing? If so, most definitely.
Oh, I didn't know that was being considered, that would be cool.

[Yoda]

Yeah, at this point we can do a ton of stuff with the data. Just a matter of sitting down and finding elegant/efficient ways to displaying it. I'm a little stuck on how to do that with the User Seen page, since there's a lot to aggregate there, but I'll keep at it.