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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-martin-carrie-fisher-tweet_us_58642c36e4b0de3a08f70427?ir=Entertainment&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000024
Steve Martin posted this tweet about Carrie Fisher...
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/586430771500002f00e9d652.png
New York Magazine criticized him, and US Weekly. Oh the great outcry against this huge injustice done against womens rights, what she wanted to be remembered for, blah blah blah...... Steve Martin deleted the Tweet.
See the difference between Steve Martin and the rest of us.......he actually knew her!
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/crop_34_77_1647_2923,scalefit_630_noupscale/58642c731500002e00e9d64c.jpeg?cache=kychonu2tc
People today do not have the life experience they think they do to be preaching the rights and wrong of an old mans tweet about a friend who died.
This has gotten way worse as social media exploded into the mainstream. People seek approval, and acknowledgement in life, and the internet is a quick-fix which was never available before. Be it here, Facebook, Twitter, or wherever the goal mostly is to get that "Like", Thumbs-up, Retweet, etc.... so if anyone says or does something that could be taken the wrong way, it usually is for the sake of some false sense of heroics.
Europeans dont act this way, Aussies dont either. This is an American culture thing which is fueling the "fake news" movement, catering to intellects which dont know the difference between reality tv and reality.
You know whats sad, today a show like "All In The Family" couldnt stay on the air. The dumb would be outraged about Archie Bunker saying he promotes racism, and sexism, blah blah blah
http://bingeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/all-in-the-family-1402x934-750x400.jpg
It was a show about us. People. How we all bitch, do stupid things, have stupid beliefs, and get along with each other regardless.
Because we were mature enough then to "get it". Now we arent. Weve gone backwards.
I do not like this SJW Idiocracy, and miss the good ol' days. More specifically I miss how people were back then. Just because weve become more judgemental on each other doesnt mean weve evolved in any way.
Yeah, this is definitely based on some twisted thinking. Not only did he not just call her pretty (which is a perfectly fine thing to say and in no way implies that beauty is everything, or that she did not have other qualities), he specifically contrasted his initial, superficial impressions with the more meaningful things he discovered about her later.
This isn't surprising, however. There are more reasonable forms of political correctness, but the strain based primarily in shaming and purging the less "pure" will inevitably, like an increasingly splintered religious sect, end up attacking even its allies.
Carrie Fisher would have been touched in a good way from Martins tweet, and certainly would have gotten the humor in it. She believed strongly in womens rights, but was able to have a sense of humor too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ97s396kb0
Ive a feeling she wasnt "politically correct" ;)
Sir Toose
12-29-16, 12:52 PM
It was a show about us. People. How we all bitch, do stupid things, have stupid beliefs, and get along with each other regardless.
Yeah that. Brilliant point.
It has become a pastime to parse sentences in search of ways to be offended. For some it's a career. Monkey chatter. Mostly meaningless and serves only to belittle those making an issue of it.
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 01:22 PM
Sounds like an innocent compliment to me. People are lame.
TheUsualSuspect
12-29-16, 01:36 PM
Cinnabon deleted a tweet as well.
“RIP Carrie Fisher, you’ll always have the best buns in the galaxy.”
Citizen Rules
12-29-16, 01:41 PM
Cinnabon deleted a tweet as well.
“RIP Carrie Fisher, you’ll always have the best buns in the galaxy.” Well that one is both cute, and a shameless hocking of their product (cinnamon buns).
Steve Martin's tweet was kind and respectful. People can be such idiots if they had a problem with what Steve Martin said.
Cobpyth
12-29-16, 01:54 PM
They even attacked Paul Simon (who was married to her) because he called her a "girl" in his tweet and not a "woman".
Luckily, the outrages against the 'politically correct' reactions far outweigh the actual 'politically correct' reactions.
matt72582
12-29-16, 04:47 PM
Empty gestures.
I dont really think anyone is outraged,its just sensationlized-like everything else in the media.
ash_is_the_gal
12-29-16, 05:46 PM
lol @ the strange rant about All in the Family
Iroquois
12-29-16, 09:10 PM
People today do not have the life experience they think they do to be preaching the rights and wrong of an old mans tweet about a friend who died.
This has gotten way worse as social media exploded into the mainstream. People seek approval, and acknowledgement in life, and the internet is a quick-fix which was never available before. Be it here, Facebook, Twitter, or wherever the goal mostly is to get that "Like", Thumbs-up, Retweet, etc.... so if anyone says or does something that could be taken the wrong way, it usually is for the sake of some false sense of heroics.
Says the guy who started a whole thread proclaiming outrage over other people's outrage and has collected at least eight rep points off it as a result.
Europeans dont act this way, Aussies dont either. This is an American culture thing which is fueling the "fake news" movement, catering to intellects which dont know the difference between reality tv and reality.
Check me if I'm wrong, but I thought "fake news" was supposed to describe, you know, news that was actually fake (like Pizzagate) instead of merely blowing things that actually happened out of proportion (as is the case with Martin's tweet).
You know whats sad, today a show like "All In The Family" couldnt stay on the air. The dumb would be outraged about Archie Bunker saying he promotes racism, and sexism, blah blah blah
It was a show about us. People. How we all bitch, do stupid things, have stupid beliefs, and get along with each other regardless.
Because we were mature enough then to "get it". Now we arent. Weve gone backwards.
Allow me to introduce you to an obscure little show called Family Guy.
I do not like this SJW Idiocracy, and miss the good ol' days. More specifically I miss how people were back then. Just because weve become more judgemental on each other doesnt mean weve evolved in any way.
Yeah, well, look where people who want to go back to the "good" old days have gotten us. Deliberately going backwards doesn't seem like evolution to me.
Rather than PC, I call this people being dumb and unable to understand a joke, as always.
Allow me to introduce you to an obscure little show called Family Guy.
I swear i almost brought that up but went against it because i thought this thread would end up with some pointless arguments. Family Guy had one episode that i caught on TV the other day where Peter tries to marry his son Chris for some reason can't even remember why it was that dumb; during the episode Chris gave his Grandfather a handjob, there was several jokes about Peters disabled friend Joe having sex with his son as well as plenty of random cutaways with bestiatlity, whatever. At most All In The Family would be aired a little later but it actually feels extremely tame compared to what is aired now, like there's no comparison you are being ridiculous if you believe it wouldn't be aired today. I think what most people who say that want to say is that we can't walk about and act like Archie Bunker anymore; oh woe is me, great character, terrible attitude to have glad the world has moved on. I mean All In The Family is about an old fashioned guy in the 70s who has hilariously outdated views; that was the 1970s guys 40 years ago and the show is funny because his views were outdated fourty years ago now.
I agree that the joke this thread was about wasn't offensive at all and people completely overreacted to it but the thread title and subsequent posts are ridiculous; i mean "Ive a feeling she wasnt "politically correct" ;)" as if being 'politically correct' whatever that means is some horrible thing? And all from old white guys who miss the good old days? :sick:
This should've been a post in the Chill Club or a Shout with a few responses, the fact that this is a thread with such an insulting title is hilarious.
Anyway: Camo/Cosmic 2016 :laugh:
well its easy to miss the "good ol days" when youre a white middle aged man though ;) horrible stuff when you actually have to have some consideration for others
There's nothing wrong at all with Steve Martin's tweet - it's very well-written and poignantly expressed what he felt and wanted to say. I'm just sorry he also felt the need or was harassed enough to take it down.
cricket
12-29-16, 09:54 PM
Just because offense is taken by someone doesn't mean that the other party meant any offense. Consideration and understanding needs to go both ways.
About my last post: i think people reminiscing for the good old days is pretty sad personally and it will probably be me some day which depresses me.
The idea that one ridiculous thing is enough to call the whole idea of political correctness out is ridiculous and offensive. Offensive because you are deciding on a few isolated occurrences that are ridiculed by most that people with hard-ships shouldn't be backed up. It's as offensive as claiming that the gun-toting, racist, sexist, christian is a solid representation of American Christians. And it is ridiculous because it is grouping a vast amount of people probably including yourself on some subjects into a 'politically correct' bracket without considering what their individual opinions are.
Just because offense is taken by someone doesn't mean that the other party meant any offense. Consideration and understanding needs to go both ways.
The other party doesn't get to decide what is and isn't offensive to the other person, that's the problem. If he genuinely caused offense to that person then it was his problem, i avoid that by not being offensive to people personally.
cricket
12-29-16, 10:03 PM
The other party doesn't get to decide what is and isn't offensive to the other person, that's the problem. If he genuinely caused offense to that person then it was his problem, i avoid that by not being offensive to people personally.
The people who are offended are not even the person he was talking about. It was a very innocent tweet. Is it better that everyone is ultra-careful about what they say, just because they may offend someone? It was really Martin's problem that some people were bothered by it?
The people who are offended are not even the person he was talking about. It was a very innocent tweet. Is it better that everyone is ultra-careful about what they say, just because they may offend someone? It was really Martin's problem that some people were bothered by it?
Nah, i'm with you it wasn't offensive at all, i said that already. I was talking about the premise/thread title and following horrible posts equating this incident to the whole idea of political correctness.
I really don't care as much as i'd imagine you think i do; i just think this is a horrible thread.
Sexy Celebrity
12-29-16, 10:15 PM
i just think this is a horrible thread.
It's a horrible thread because when did TONGO start thinking he knows a lot about being politically incorrect? As I said in my twitter.com/RealSexyCelebrity (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1620928#post1620928) thread, a month ago he would have applauded those people for telling Steve Martin to delete his tweet. He would have compared Steve Martin to Donald Trump. Probably would have called him a misogynist.
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cricket
12-29-16, 10:16 PM
It is something that is very common now, and I think a lot of it boils down to a gang mentality on social media. There's so many miserable people out there.
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 10:17 PM
By the way, my post in this thread was just about the tweet and people being upset about the tweet. I didn't actually read the original post.
I will say that posts like this make me uncomfortable though.
well its easy to miss the "good ol days" when youre a white middle aged man though ;) horrible stuff when you actually have to have some consideration for others
It seems counterproductive to refer to someone's race or sex as a way to define them, their feelings, or their actions. It's also lazy. Is it just because he's a white male that he feels that way? Or is it something else? I am sure there are many white males who don't think like him. So why just point out his race or sex and just say that's why he feels that way?
cricket
12-29-16, 10:20 PM
By the way, my post in this thread was just about the tweet and people being upset about the tweet. I didn't actually read the original post.
I will say that posts like this make me uncomfortable though.
It seems counterproductive to refer to someone's race or sex as a way to define them, their feelings, or their actions. It's also lazy. Is it just because he's a white male that he feels that way? Or is it something else? I am sure there are many white males who don't think like him. So why just point out his race or sex and just say that's why he feels that way?
Yep, I hear women say it just as much as men, and race has nothing to do with it at all.
bc someone who is opposed to the idea of PC,and is male and is white,it is most likely...because its a male who is white.
whyyyy? probably because they dont have to deal with the issues why PC is requiered.
cricket
12-29-16, 10:21 PM
bc someone who is opposed to the idea of PC,and is male and is white,it is most likely...because its a male who is white.
whyyyy? probably because they dont have to deal with the issues why PC is requiered.
What issues would those be?
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 10:22 PM
I don't think a person's race or sex is the reason for anything. People are people, they aren't defined by what they are born as.
oh none,sexism and rascism dont exist at all.
Iroquois
12-29-16, 10:24 PM
It's a privilege thing, really. The implied reason why white males would want things to go back to the "good old days" is to reclaim the sort of power and status that they feel has been lost because they've had to accommodate people who are different to them (non-white, non-male, etc.).
cricket
12-29-16, 10:24 PM
oh none,sexism and rascism dont exist at all.
Only white men are racist and sexist? What world are you living in?
bc someone who is opposed to the idea of PC,and is male and is white,it is most likely...because its a male who is white.
whyyyy? probably because they dont have to deal with the issues why PC is requiered.
Yeah. The only people who seem to oppose PC (whatever that means) consistently are straight white males often older; i don't think that is a weird or wrong observation,
cricket
12-29-16, 10:25 PM
It's a privilege thing, really. The implied reason why white males would want things to go back to the "good old days" is to reclaim the sort of power and status that they feel has been lost because they've had to accommodate people who are different to them (non-white, non-male, etc.).
I think it's just an age thing, at least based on my experiences.
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 10:27 PM
Maybe it's because I am a white male, but I am uncomfortable when someone judges someone and assumes they are a certain way because of their race (or gender)
Only white men are racist and sexist? What world are you living in?
well thats a reach
Only white men are racist and sexist? What world are you living in?
Every race and gender is racist and sexist i've just personally encountered opposition to the idea that people shouldn't be racist or sexist more from white males; think it is evident why.
cricket
12-29-16, 10:31 PM
Must be bedtime; I don't even understand the last two posts.
Must be bedtime; I don't even understand the last two posts.
I was saying that some non-whites are racist, and some women are sexist as well but the only people that seem to get personally offended in my experience are white men who are effected by neither. This thread has became more horrible though (somehow) and it was mainly my fault so sorry, haha.
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 10:37 PM
White dudes suck.
cricket
12-29-16, 10:39 PM
I was saying that some non-whites are racist, and some women are sexist as well but the only people that seem to get personally offended in my experience are white men who are effected by neither. This thread has became more horrible though (somehow) and it was mainly my fault so sorry, haha.
Ok I got it. It seems to me though, that white men are more likely to get attacked for being politically incorrect, while women and minorities will often get a free pass.
White dudes suck.
Hey! I'm white!
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 10:41 PM
Hey! I'm white!
Oh... so you are racist then?
Ok I got it. It seems to me though, that white men are more likely to get attacked for being politically incorrect, while women and minorities will often get a free pass.
Honestly, i had a comment going there but i think i was talking bullsh!t, i disagree with you but whatever.
Captain Steel
12-29-16, 10:42 PM
Hey! I'm white!
Your avatar reveals you to be a handsome black man! ;)
Oh... so you are racist then?
Yes.
jiraffejustin
12-29-16, 10:50 PM
Yes.
Man. White people are so racist.
I agree that the joke this thread was about wasn't offensive at all and people completely overreacted to it but the thread title and subsequent posts are ridiculous; i mean "Ive a feeling she wasnt "politically correct" ;)" as if being 'politically correct' whatever that means is some horrible thing? And all from old white guys who miss the good old days? :sick:
This should've been a post in the Chill Club or a Shout with a few responses, the fact that this is a thread with such an insulting title is hilarious.
Anyway: Camo/Cosmic 2016 :laugh:
"Old white guys that miss the good old days"? You, Ash, and Iro obviously felt slighted by my thread title.
"Old white guys that miss the good old days"? You, Ash, and Iro obviously felt slighted by my thread title.
The majority of your post was about All In The Family not being able to air today which is a show about an old white guy missing the good old days. Was i wrong?
The majority of your post was about All In The Family not being able to air today which is a show about an old white guy missing the good old days. Was i wrong?
Oh! I thought you were talking about me :facepalm:
Frightened Inmate No. 2
12-29-16, 11:21 PM
Hey! I'm white!
https://youtu.be/5IPKL1Oy-CA
Didn't have to press play; really annoyed i didn't think of that first.
White dudes suck.
Well, they do indeed have more sex than other ethnicities.
Nah, i'm with you it wasn't offensive at all, i said that already. I was talking about the premise/thread title and following horrible posts equating this incident to the whole idea of political correctness.
I really don't care as much as i'd imagine you think i do; i just think this is a horrible thread.
Hey, if anyone thought Steve Martins post was insulting or degrading in any way about Carrie Fisher, then the thread title applies. If youre offended but agree with the point, then get thick skin. THATs the problem more than if people agree or not, get some thick skin because if you didnt agree with Martins tweet then youd probably be one of the complainers.
Political correctness has bent to the idiotic, SJW warriors are worthless, period. They just make talk, and wont shut up. The internet is loaded with them. :)
Allow me to introduce you to an obscure little show called Family Guy.
Family Guy is a cartoon. All in the Family is more "grounded into reality", I dont know how else to say it to you. Just because theyre both fiction doesnt mean both are impossible, AITF was extremely realistic, and this comparison is weak.
Yeah, well, look where people who want to go back to the "good" old days have gotten us. Deliberately going backwards doesn't seem like evolution to me.
We are de-evolving in the sense where were sensitive for the wrong reasons, and get misled more than what a supposed "age of information" should allow. Just because someone wails theres an injustice done doesnt mean there actually was one. Its like the old west and the ruthless stupid mob now have smartphones.
Iroquois
12-30-16, 02:09 AM
I think it's just an age thing, at least based on my experiences.
In my experience, it's an all-ages thing. Young people can be just as bad about it, possibly even worse since they don't even have the flimsy excuse of "coming from a different time" or whatever.
Maybe it's because I am a white male, but I am uncomfortable when someone judges someone and assumes they are a certain way because of their race (or gender)
I can understand it, though. It's like a defence mechanism of sorts and it sucks because it means they've dealt with enough bad people of a type to have trust issues concerning anyone of that type. It doesn't make me feel comfortable either, but then again it shouldn't.
Ok I got it. It seems to me though, that white men are more likely to get attacked for being politically incorrect, while women and minorities will often get a free pass.
That might be because they're the most likely demographic to actually be politically incorrect.
"Old white guys that miss the good old days"? You, Ash, and Iro obviously felt slighted by my thread title.
I'd just rather you didn't go down this road.
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12-30-16, 02:36 AM
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Iroquois
12-30-16, 02:36 AM
Hey, if anyone thought Steve Martins post was insulting or degrading in any way about Carrie Fisher, then the thread title applies. If youre offended but agree with the point, then get thick skin. THATs the problem more than if people agree or not, get some thick skin because if you didnt agree with Marttins post then youd probably be one of the complainers.
Political correctness has bent to the idiotic, SJW warriors are worthless, period. They just make talk, and wont shut up. The internet is loaded with them. :)
Given the context of everything you've posted in this thread (including the fact that it got made in the first place), how am I supposed to take your suggestion to "get thick skin" seriously?
Also, what do you think the W in SJW stands for?
Family Guy is a cartoon. All in the Family is more "grounded into reality", I dont know how else to say it to you. Just because theyre both fiction doesnt mean both are impossible, AITF was extremely realistic, and this comparison is weak.
So what if Family Guy is a cartoon? It's still a popular television program about a callously idiotic family man whose worldview and behaviour come across as regressive and bigoted even though the show frames him as a lovable oaf and never truly holds him accountable for his transgressions. It's not like we're talking about a cartoon that's set in a completely unrealistic fantasy land like SpongeBob - Family Guy is still fundamentally a sitcom about a dysfunctional American human family. The fact that it's animated is largely circumstantial.
We are de-evolving in the sense where were sensitive for the wrong reasons, and get misled more than what a supposed "age of information" should allow. Just because someone wails theres an injustice done doesnt mean there actually was one. Its like the old west and the ruthless stupid mob now have smartphones.
Were it not for the specific context of this thread, I might agree with you. Outrage culture cuts both ways, after all - just look at the so-called War on Christmas.
I'd just rather you didn't go down this road.
No road, it just seemed yall were put off by the point.
Cant people talk plainly to the masses? Right now, no. The masses would like to believe itself wise beyond its years because theyve the super information highway at their fingertips, but bad judgement isnt something some website can undo.
Given the context of everything you've posted in this thread (including the fact that it got made in the first place), how am I supposed to take your suggestion to "get thick skin" seriously?
Because if we dont get thick skin we start going off on people that dont deserve it. Yes Im complaining about the complainers, but we need to get smarter rather than louder.
Also, what do you think the W in SJW stands for?
The W stands for Wrong. No I'm just kidding, I thought the term was Social Justice Warrior.
earlsmoviepicks
12-30-16, 02:55 AM
All this pc crap is getting ridiculous
Iroquois
12-30-16, 02:59 AM
No road, it just seemed yall were put off by the point.
Cant people talk plainly to the masses? Right now, no. The masses would like to believe itself wise beyond its years because theyve the super information highway at their fingertips, but bad judgement isnt something some website can undo.
Well, it is an off-putting point. This was a thing that seemed cut-and-dry - a singular instance of outrage culture overreacting to a decidedly innocuous tweet - and you've turned that into the latest in a long line of debates over PC culture (like we haven't had enough of that from the likes of DAnconia). I might have been willing to agree with your original point, but you've gone and turned it into something bigger than it really needed to be and that's why we're getting stuck into these arguments.
Because if we dont get thick skin we start going off on people that dont deserve it. Yes Im complaining about the complainers, but we need to get smarter rather than louder.
Again, this strikes me as something that cuts both ways, and if you're serious about being smarter rather than louder then something's got to give. I still remember that Halloween costume thread DAnconia started where he quoted articles to further his anti-PC agenda even though those very articles were better at arguing against his point rather than for it - a prime example of louder over smarter. Mindless outrage culture doesn't just come in left-wing SJW form.
The W stands for Wrong. No I'm just kidding, I thought the term was Social Justice Warrior.
Which explains why you wrote "SJW warriors".
Well, it is an off-putting point. This was a thing that seemed cut-and-dry - a singular instance of outrage culture overreacting to a decidedly innocuous tweet - and you've turned that into the latest in a long line of debates over PC culture (like we haven't had enough of that from the likes of DAnconia). I might have been willing to agree with your original point, but you've gone and turned it into something bigger than it really needed to be and that's why we're getting stuck into these arguments.
First of all, in no way is my point some fluidous babble which was D'anconias thread. Im not talking extremes, but plain common sense in our response to ....well normal life itself. Seriously, Steve Martins tweet even had the possibility to offend people, then the problem is with the people. Not bite into what magazines like New York Magazine or US Weekly consider a slight towards society.
Again, this strikes me as something that cuts both ways, and if you're serious about being smarter rather than louder then something's got to give. I still remember that Halloween costume thread DAnconia started where he quoted articles to further his anti-PC agenda even though those very articles were better at arguing against his point rather than for it - a prime example of louder over smarter. Mindless outrage culture doesn't just come in left-wing SJW form.
True, but my outrage isnt mindless. Its what too many people consider an outrage which is an outrage. ;)
Which explains why you wrote "SJW warriors".
Nitpicky :rolleyes:
Frightened Inmate No. 2
12-30-16, 04:08 AM
you seem to really feel bad for this steve martin fella. i have a hunch he's going to be okay.
Iroquois
12-30-16, 05:30 AM
First of all, in no way is my point some fluidous babble which was D'anconias thread. Im not talking extremes, but plain common sense in our response to ....well normal life itself. Seriously, Steve Martins tweet even had the possibility to offend people, then the problem is with the people. Not bite into what magazines like New York Magazine or US Weekly consider a slight towards society.
I don't know if I'd call it common sense (which isn't really that common, boomtish) but if we're not going to talk extremes then this kind of thing should be considered on a case-by-case basis. I get annoyed with incidents like this or the Delta prankster thing because they (and people's overreactions/premature reactions) only fuel preexisting biases against the otherwise reasonable concept of "political correctness", which only causes more problems in the long run.
True, but my outrage isnt mindless. Its what too many people consider an outrage which is an outrage. ;)
Tell me about it, just look at the people who wanted to boycott Rogue One because it had "anti-Trump reshoots" or whatever.
Nitpicky :rolleyes:
Here's an accurate picture of me looking for stuff to nitpick:
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Cobpyth
12-30-16, 10:25 AM
Have (straight) white males, on average, had a less difficult time than people with another race/gender/sexual orientation throughout modern western history?
Sure. 100% true.
Is that a reason to interpret everything they say or do these days as patronizing?
No.
It's extremely logical that people are angered by the kind of accusations Steve Martin (for instance) has received in this example. That's why I personally think this topic is meaningful. It's a new trend that deserves to be properly discussed and criticized from time to time.
Many of you will probably think it's a hackneyed topic (and understandably so), but that's because you've probably never been the victim of it.
That last sentence works in both ways. The people who feel offended on one side and the people who are accused of offending on the other side.
you seem to really feel bad for this steve martin fella. i have a hunch he's going to be okay.
Well, his friend just died and he was accused of disrespecting them in his attempted tribute. That seems like it could be genuinely upsetting. And I doubt being rich and/or famous (or white, which apparently needs to be used as a disclaimer before we consider the merit of what someone says) changes that at all.
Amazing how if you are white and middle class but agree with PC culture that you are not told your opinion is irrelevant.
I hate being the guy that just continues to point out the hypocrisies in these conversations, but because of those hypocrisies I no longer see any meaningful conversations about these topics.
I do agree with Iro that these things should be taken on a case by case basis and not just thrown into a big pot. Maybe the news publications that got on Martin's case about this nonsense should hear that from the SJWs instead of just us irrelevant white males.
It's a privilege thing, really. The implied reason why white males would want things to go back to the "good old days" is to reclaim the sort of power and status that they feel has been lost because they've had to accommodate people who are different to them (non-white, non-male, etc.).
That's a perfectly reasonable guess, but generalization becomes prejudice the moment someone assumes it applies to an individual with no evidence other than their demographic makeup. It's glib and unproductive, at best, so let's not make excuses for it.
ash_is_the_gal
12-30-16, 11:36 AM
"Old white guys that miss the good old days"? You, Ash, and Iro obviously felt slighted by my thread title.
hey, don't assume! all i did was laugh at your random All in the Family outburst.
cause it was kinda funny...
also, yeah this thread sucks :D
jiraffejustin
12-30-16, 11:41 AM
Why does this thread suck? I keep seeing that a lot, but I don't think anyone has explained why it sucks.
ash_is_the_gal
12-30-16, 11:48 AM
i was actually gonna put a proper response to this thread, but honestly... this thread topic is kind of a jumbled mess. first it's about Steve Martin having to take down a tweet that SJWs were freakin out about, and then it turned into a 'why can't we just turn back time to when there was a TV show where a racist bigot was the star and it was kind of awful, but, he was extremely lovable and he didn't really mean anything by it, and why do we care so much about those racial slurs anyway?"
i dunno, i just don't think the two topics really have enough in common to be thrown into the same thread. they're very different, and one i actually agree with, but the other i'm like eh... yeah... kinda problematic thinking.
i think that's what Iro is taking issue with too, it's like you're saying either we must all agree with both points or else we're "part of the problem", like i guess we're now one of those "rabid SJWs" for it? and, like.... no?
False Writer
12-30-16, 12:04 PM
In recent times I've really tried to just ignore all the PC BS because I know that it's just gonna keep on happening and there's nothing I can do about it—but it's just getting worse... and worse... and worse...
Now Steve Martin is merely mourning his dead friend and people are "outraged" by it. Good god. Are these people happy with their lives? Cause I can't see how you can be if you get "offended" by every third word you read or hear.
I'm pretty sure everyone has misunderstood the "good old days" comment:
It was a show about us. People. How we all bitch, do stupid things, have stupid beliefs, and get along with each other regardless.
This isn't saying everything that happened in the past is fine: in fact, it's saying the opposite. It's saying it was full of "stupid things" and "stupid beliefs." The "good old" part is the last part: getting along anyway. Not seeing other people's flaws as things that need to be publicly shamed (as if this were the best way to persuade) or buried (as if not having to hear things means they don't exist).
I don't think TONGO's saying "I wish they would overturn Brown v. Board of Education." I think he's saying people used to be better at disagreeing without being so utterly dismissive towards each other. And given that the response he received to saying this was basically "you're a white male so of course you would think that," it would seem he's got a point.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 12:13 PM
Must be bedtime; I don't even understand the last two posts.
Consider it a pillow talk preview. If a couple of Mofies go the right way, you'll be in one heck of a threesome.:D
i was actually gonna put a proper response to this thread, but honestly... this thread topic is kind of a jumbled mess. first it's about Steve Martin having to take down a tweet that SJWs were freakin out about, and then it turned into a 'why can't we just turn back time to when there was a TV show where a racist bigot was the star and it was kind of awful, but, he was extremely lovable and he didn't really mean anything by it, and why do we care so much about those racial slurs anyway?"
i dunno, i just don't think the two topics really have enough in common to be thrown into the same thread. they're very different, and one i actually agree with, but the other i'm like eh... yeah... kinda problematic thinking.
i think that's what Iro is taking issue with too, it's like you're saying either we must all agree with both points or else we're "part of the problem", like i guess we're now one of those "rabid SJWs" for it? and, like.... no?
You missed the point. The point was "back then" a tweet made like Martins wouldnt have been found offensive. Today it is. Thats why we are going backwards. Why?
Heres my opinion, and its an uneducated one ;) I believe we are coming into a generation weened on technology (smartphones & the internet). Informations so available its like a library at our fingertips. The flipside of that coin is sensitivity. Today people know more but can deal with less. The technology is so infatuating we dont have the life experience or thick skin to dealing with problems....or what we perceive as problems.
Maybe we will become less sensitive as time passes, and hopefully the next generation will be better than us.
False Writer
12-30-16, 12:26 PM
I'm pretty sure everyone has misunderstood the "good old days" comment:
This isn't saying everything that happened in the past is fine: in fact, it's saying the opposite. It's saying it was full of "stupid things" and "stupid beliefs." The "good old" part is the last part: getting along anyway. Not seeing other people's flaws as things that need to be publicly shamed (as if this were the best way to persuade) or buried (as if not having to hear things means they don't exist).
I don't think TONGO's saying "I wish they would overturn Brown v. Board of Education." I think he's saying people used to be better at disagreeing without being so utterly dismissive towards each other. And given that the response he received to saying this was basically "you're a white male so of course you would think that," it would seem he's got a point.
100% agree with this.
People today really need to just not freak out over everything that they may not like these days. They need to practice what they preach and "tolerate" opinions that differ from theirs and instead find the stuff we have in common and get along regardless.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 12:42 PM
White dudes suck.
They also swallow, a lot of crap.:rolleyes: Where are all the examples of non-white countries being flooded by white immigrants? Seems to me, that living among white dudes who suck (and swallow) is a fairly desirable concept, nowadays.:yup: Internally or nationally, same goes for neighbourhoods. The ones taking the most flack for being politically incorrect, are also the most charitable, inclusive, tolerant and desirable. Funny, how that works.:tsk:
I'm pretty sure that's because whiter countries are wealthier. I don't think immigrants are moving to these countries to be near white people, charming company though I am.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 01:03 PM
Well then, quality of life might just be determined by how many white folks remain in a given country or neighbourhood. Maybe, it's time to treat this wealth as a resource and not as an enemy. What do you get when the wealthy white folks start leaving a country or neighbourhood?
It's correlated with whiteness, which isn't the same thing as saying it's "determined" by it.
Well then, quality of life might just be determined by how many white folks remain in a given country or neighbourhood.
Sounding a little bitter there MM, like you hate paying for another races healthcare type bitter. Oh thats right, youre Canadian, I forgot. :rolleyes:
This is not just exclusive to white people. Like I said in the OP, this is an American thing. You think a European would have been insulted by that tweet? I dont. Compared to the United States theres simply not enough distractions for a European compared to an American. We have so much available to us that we think it means we know more and can deal with more and life simply does not work that way.
Kinda like what Robin Williams character said to Will Hunting (Matt Damon) in Good Will Hunting. We might know about alot, but arent experienced in anything. We believe we are though. We have become softer emotionally and know just enough to get us in trouble, in regards to what is and isnt offensive.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 01:32 PM
Personally, I like the odds a simple correlation offers. For me, there is no need to look for that rare exception to the rule. Looks like PC whining and white shaming are here to punish our wealthy at every opportunity.
That's not what that means. Saying something is merely correlated doesn't mean "this is usually true, but there are exceptions." It means that the first thing does not cause the other.
This isn't a PC concept in the slightest: it's a statistical one, and failing to make this distinction leads to all sorts of hilariously nonsensical conclusions (http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations).
Sir Toose
12-30-16, 01:59 PM
We might know about alot, but arent experienced in anything. We believe we are though. We have become softer emotionally and know just enough to get us in trouble, in regards to what is and isnt offensive.
I was with you until you started using 'we' as if being an American somehow makes one naive or soft.
Broad generalizations are bad (yes I see the irony in that statement).
How can you know what other individuals have experienced, and then decide that whatever it is, it's not the equivalent of something experienced in another country?
I would agree with your assessment if you applied it to a relatively small group of loud people (since you said 'we' you can include yourself, but exclude me).
Slappydavis
12-30-16, 02:05 PM
I'm actually kinda proud of Steve Martin, I think this shows a lot of virtue.
It's possible I'm reading his intentions wrong, but I think he deleted the tweet because it was a proving a distraction from Carrie. I think that says a lot because he'd easily get more people to side with him on this one (other things he's said, not so much, but this one would have been easy).
But, he deleted the tweet. It didn't matter that he was right, that most people would think he was right, and that he's mourning a friend; he didn't want to distract from Carrie.
I honestly never really thought about Carrie much outside of Star Wars, I'm not going to claim that I was some sort of huge fan. But for some reason it's really bugging me that she's being used as a cudgel in the internet culture wars.
Anyway, good on Steve. At least I think so, there might be too much pressure on him to talk about it for him to keep bowing out as gracefully as he's done so far, we'll see.
Citizen Rules
12-30-16, 02:15 PM
Damn, you guys already made all the really good points! I have nothing left to say:p So I have to reiterate:
There's nothing wrong with the title of this thread when taken in the context that it was meant...The magazine and others who complained about Steve Martin's tweet are twits:rolleyes:
I do feel sorry for Steve Martin, he's a real person who just had a well known magazine very publicly criticize him for his tweet. I'm sure this very moment he feels frustrated over the situation, I sure would.
Citizen Rules
12-30-16, 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by TONGO (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1621121#post1621121)
We might know about alot, but arent experienced in anything. We believe we are though. We have become softer emotionally and know just enough to get us in trouble, in regards to what is and isnt offensive.
I was with you until you started using 'we' as if being an American somehow makes one naive or soft.
Broad generalizations are bad (yes I see the irony in that statement).
How can you know what other individuals have experienced, and then decide that whatever it is, it's not the equivalent of something experienced in another country?
I would agree with your assessment if you applied it to a relatively small group of loud people (since you said 'we' you can include yourself, but exclude me). I can't speak for Tongo, but I bet anything that he used the word we in an attempt not to offend any one group. Call it a kind generalization.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 02:22 PM
That's not what that means. Saying something is merely correlated doesn't mean "this is usually true, but there are exceptions." It means that the first thing does not cause the other.
This isn't a PC concept in the slightest: it's a statistical one, and failing to make this distinction leads to all sorts of hilariously nonsensical conclusions (http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NFaQcTJsg
What I said was short and straightforward, two things that are the polar opposite of "rambling."
But if you want to stick with your "simple correlation," go for it. Just understand that it also leads you to the conclusion that eating more cheese increases your odds of being strangled by your own sheets (not a joke, it's in the link I posted).
Frightened Inmate No. 2
12-30-16, 02:41 PM
i don't want to be too pc, but movie max is literally making an argument for white supremacy itt.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 02:43 PM
Sounding a little bitter there MM, like you hate paying for another races healthcare type bitter. Oh thats right, youre Canadian, I forgot. :rolleyes:
I'll be your Buttercup, if you'll be my Prince Humperdinck.:D
I can't even be mean to you, after the November and December you've had. You have my sympathies. Hope you find better fortunes on the horizon, soon.
I was with you until you started using 'we' as if being an American somehow makes one naive or soft.
Broad generalizations are bad (yes I see the irony in that statement).
How can you know what other individuals have experienced, and then decide that whatever it is, it's not the equivalent of something experienced in another country?
I would agree with your assessment if you applied it to a relatively small group of loud people (since you said 'we' you can include yourself, but exclude me).
Ok. I purposefully used "we", which would include myself too, and not focus on any group. Not single out anyone because that doesnt communicate well, moreso by being specific who or what group, I would just piss off the people I want to reach.
The "We" is figurative, and not literal. Im trying to be smoother after the 2016 presidential campaign. Its hard when youre outraged or disgusted though, but to be specific Ive always been talking about the Social Justice Warriors.
I can't speak for Tongo, but I bet anything that he used the word we in an attempt not to offend any one group. Call it a kind generalization.
Correct :)
Frightened Inmate No. 2
12-30-16, 02:55 PM
regarding the steve martin thing, was the backlash against his tweet even that strong? it seems that many of these things start with a few people overreacting and calling it offensive on twitter and then people who love to complain about "political correctness gone mad" find those tweets and use them as proof, so then pretty soon it gets reported on and everybody knows about it, even though every take at that point is just "i don't see what's so bad about it," and the only people who still care just wanna rant about the SJWs. i think the tweet was obviously well-intentioned but just a bit clumsily-phrased so her intelligence became an afterthought. not a big deal at all, but i'm not convinced many people really cared in the first place. every person i know who is typically sympathetic to social justice causes didn't think it was a big deal. you're judging the social justice movement on its most radical and loony members, which makes every cause look bad.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 02:58 PM
i don't want to be too pc, but movie max is literally making an argument for white supremacy itt.
More like questioning why "white society" seems to be the flock to thing, when it is obviously so bad, so politically incorrect, so reprehensible, that it must be lectured at every petty opportunity? Maybe, us simple white folks could learn from a more accepting, tolerant, charitable, politically correct example of society? Please share one, especially if it is a non-white example.
I'll be your Buttercup, if you'll be my Prince Humperdinck.:D
I can't even be mean to you, after the November and December you've had. You have my sympathies. Hope you find better fortunes on the horizon, soon.
Uh....I dont want you as my Buttercup :eek: Sorry Max, thanks for the compliment, but Im straight.
Well come on Max! Youre a Canadian looking-in on the social turmoil which is the U.S., have "we" become a bunch of well intentioned, oversensitive, and easily misled bunch of Ninny's? Yes or No? :)
The thread title is raw intentionally. I post to be heard, not to be repped. Though thanks to everyone that did rep the o.p.. It may be my most repped post in like.....ever.
Citizen Rules
12-30-16, 03:06 PM
regarding the steve martin thing, was the backlash against his tweet even that strong?New York Magazine criticized Steve Martin's tweet, and US Weekly did too. I'd say that's not just a couple of ****it was funny what I had wrote here!*** giving a celebrity a bad time.
social justice causes didn't think it was a big deal. you're judging the social justice movement on its most radical and loony members, which makes every cause look bad.Interesting topic, what social causes do SJW fight for?
Movie Max
12-30-16, 03:07 PM
regarding the steve martin thing, was the backlash against his tweet even that strong? it seems that many of these things start with a few people overreacting and calling it offensive on twitter and then people who love to complain about "political correctness gone mad" find those tweets and use them as proof, so then pretty soon it gets reported on and everybody knows about it, even though every take at that point is just "i don't see what's so bad about it," and the only people who still care just wanna rant about the SJWs. i think the tweet was obviously well-intentioned but just a bit clumsily-phrased so her intelligence became an afterthought. not a big deal at all, but i'm not convinced many people really cared in the first place. every person i know who is typically sympathetic to social justice causes didn't think it was a big deal. you're judging the social justice movement on its most radical and loony members, which makes every cause look bad.
I'm actually more upset that the original post was removed. Though, I do see it as another example of how the picked on white guy is able to yield and pacify a non-situation.
regarding the steve martin thing, was the backlash against his tweet even that strong? it seems that many of these things start with a few people overreacting and calling it offensive on twitter and then people who love to complain about "political correctness gone mad" find those tweets and use them as proof, so then pretty soon it gets reported on and everybody knows about it, even though every take at that point is just "i don't see what's so bad about it," and the only people who still care just wanna rant about the SJWs. i think the tweet was obviously well-intentioned but just a bit clumsily-phrased so her intelligence became an afterthought. not a big deal at all, but i'm not convinced many people really cared in the first place. every person i know who is typically sympathetic to social justice causes didn't think it was a big deal. you're judging the social justice movement on its most radical and loony members, which makes every cause look bad.
No it got to be more than a small group of loonies as US Weekly, and New York Magazine helped stoke the flames. The news and media are as effected by this as normal citizens, there is now more "fake news", and theres enough of a ignorant public reaction to things that we are starting to look like rabble rather than a society.
Yes its specific groups or types, but theres enough of them to where I say we all got to chill out, and not be so judgemental. Yes Im being judgemental on the judgemental, but what can you do? :shrug:
New York Magazine criticized Steve Martin's tweet, and US Weekly did too. I'd say that's not just a couple of ****it was funny what I had wrote here!*** giving a celebrity a bad time.
Interesting topic, what social causes do SJW fight for?
Again you beat me to the punch! ;)
Movie Max
12-30-16, 03:13 PM
Uh....I dont want you as my Buttercup :eek: Sorry Max, thanks for the compliment, but Im straight.
Well come on Max! Youre a Canadian looking-in on the social turmoil which is the U.S., have "we" become a bunch of well intentioned, oversensitive, and easily misled bunch of Ninny's? Yes or No? :)
You called me Buttercup, first. Glad you cleared up that "straight" thing.;)
Last election results prove you do not have your ninnies strategically located throughout the land.:D
No, Americans are not ninnies. Historically speaking, they can come together in time of need, regardless of political influence.
More like questioning why "white society" seems to be the flock to thing, when it is obviously so bad, so politically incorrect, so reprehensible, that it must be lectured at every petty opportunity? Maybe, us simple white folks could learn from a more accepting, tolerant, charitable, politically correct example of society? Please share one, especially if it is a non-white example.
Again with the "white"?! This is not a race issue! Black americans are stupid too, have you seen rap stars and what they spend their money on?! Theyre as hypersensitive as anyone, and react even stronger. Am I racist for saying that? Today, some would think so, but Im not. I have black friends, and when I say black I mean the not college educated variety. I actually like black folks because theyre less pretentious, more real. Just because there are differences between races doesnt mean one is better - period.
I think the All in the Family reference is spot-on. Just because Family Guy does outrageous things doesnt mean people wouldnt lose their minds if a sitcom had a actor talking about "colored folks". Today people would absolutely loose their minds.
Citizen Rules
12-30-16, 03:25 PM
I can't speak for Movie Max, but I think he's bringing up the 'white issue' as earlier in this thread some blamed white older males for the world's maladies....which is racist, sexist and ageist.
I can't speak for Movie Max, but I think he's bringing up the 'white issue' as earlier in this thread some blamed white older males for the worlds maladies, which is racist, sexist and ageist.
Hes trying to turn it into a race issue, and its not, its a social issue. Ignorance, sensitivity, and overreaction arent just exclusive to white people. ;)
Sir Toose
12-30-16, 03:30 PM
I can't speak for Tongo, but I bet anything that he used the word we in an attempt not to offend any one group. Call it a kind generalization.
Again... generalizations are bad, specifics are good.
ash_is_the_gal
12-30-16, 06:01 PM
Heres my opinion, and its an uneducated one ;) I believe we are coming into a generation weened on technology (smartphones & the internet). Informations so available its like a library at our fingertips. The flipside of that coin is sensitivity. Today people know more but can deal with less. The technology is so infatuating we dont have the life experience or thick skin to dealing with problems....or what we perceive as problems.
i guess i would argue that because we now have the technology to be so connected to everyone, moreso than usual, we are a lot more aware of things going on - and i think that also causes things to be blown waaay out of proportion sometimes. but i don't think it's that people in the "good old days" had thicker skin, per se, they just weren't exposed to all the stuff we are. you gotta remember that computers are still new af, and the internet is still just a baby. i don't think we're still quite sure of the effects it is having/will have on society, in general.
but i digress.
i would rather talk about the actual original stuff you said, i still don't feel like i'm explaining myself very well. i don't think Steve Martin's tweet was inappropriate, and i didn't find it offensive personally, though i think it's cool that he removed it because he didn't want to derail the loss of Carrie Fisher. but i still don't see what that really has to do with Archie Bunker, other than people who are PC don't like All in the Family. but it's like you're saying "PC culture" is so bad that everything that falls under being "PC culture" is ridiculous - and it isn't. i think you could say there are instances of extremists in every cultural and social movement there is, but that doesn't mean the entire thing is hogwash. i mean, there's a reason people don't like bigots and racial slurs. damn good reasons. and refraining from using that language, you could argue, would be contributing to "PC culture." but most people agree that using them is gross and inappropriate.
so, i guess that's mainly my problem with your whole stance. i'm not arguing that it doesn't get ridiculous sometimes, i'm arguing that just labeling the whole movement as ridiculous is, well, to use Yoda's term, dismissive. :)
..... but i still don't see what that really has to do with Archie Bunker, other than people who are PC don't like All in the Family.
but it's like you're saying "PC culture" is so bad that everything that falls under being "PC culture" is ridiculous - and it isn't. i think you could say there are instances of extremists in every cultural and social movement there is, but that doesn't mean the entire thing is hogwash. i mean, there's a reason people don't like bigots and racial slurs. damn good reasons. and refraining from using that language, you could argue, would be contributing to "PC culture." but most people agree that using them is gross and inappropriate.
so, i guess that's mainly my problem with your whole stance. i'm not arguing that it doesn't get ridiculous sometimes, i'm arguing that just labeling the whole movement as ridiculous is, well, to use Yoda's term, dismissive. :)
re: All in the Family and PC establishment frowning on it. You know for many, that might be the case. Maybe theyd come to a conclusion that the show is dated and not as "evolved" as where peoples thinking is today. Which isnt evolved thinking being displayed, but just evolved awareness. HUGE difference, and we.....yes Im not trying to alienate anyone or any group by saying "we", but that is a p.c. stance. Im not against a sane degree of political correctness, but lets not become pious either. I am not saying the p.c. culture in itself is bad, quite the opposite, but idiocy exists in it like everything. If something is to truly evolve it must do so by knowing we do not "know it all".
gandalf26
12-30-16, 07:16 PM
For the past 20 years or so in the UK anyway, the worst thing you could possibly be was UNpolitically correct or Rascist.
Now being Politically correct or too left leaning is becoming the worst thing you can be, or labelling people as Rascist when what they have said simply isn't.
regarding the steve martin thing, was the backlash against his tweet even that strong?
I dont think so,i havent read the articles though so i dont know if they critizied him directly or just reported on the tweets and social media. Tweets and Social media were carrie stans who thought it was insesitive since she spent so much time after star wars to speak out against the "sex symbol" thing Princess Leah became insted of being valued as an actress.
Movie Max
12-30-16, 08:14 PM
Well, they do indeed have more sex than other ethnicities.
You should probably throw the word "consensual" somewhere into that sentence.:p
Movie Max
12-30-16, 08:26 PM
After reading most of the comments, I must say, I am really surprised that the author of this thread has a problem with Trump winning. That is the one contradiction I am picking up on, otherwise, it's a good thread. Thanks.
It's not a contradiction at all. Not liking political correctness isn't the same as thinking anyone--to say nothing of our leaders--should say whatever and never be criticized. Nor does disliking it automatically make it more important than the hundreds of other things that are actually in the job description.
After reading most of the comments, I must say, I am really surprised that the author of this thread has a problem with Trump winning. That is the one contradiction I am picking up on, otherwise, it's a good thread. Thanks.
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12-30-16, 09:51 PM
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cricket
12-30-16, 10:12 PM
It seems that there was a little misunderstanding going on last night.
From my experience, when people (myself included) speak of the good old days, they speak of the time before the internet and cell phones. Back then, you could gauge feeling while conversing, something that can be difficult when reading words. The way people interacted was just completely different, and a lot of people miss the more personal methods of communication. You need to be a certain age to have these feelings, but there are no restrictions on gender or race.
I'm nobody to say how good an example for this topic All in the Family is, but I do know that I've been hearing that it couldn't air today for over 20 years now. There are certainly a lot of people that agree with Tongo. The Family Guy is completely different, not because it is different, but because enough people perceive it to be different, and perception is all that matters in relation to this topic.
The problem I have with some of these people who get offended by things, is that they get offended at remarks that have nothing to do with them. It used to be "sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me", but that has somehow morphed into I'm offended because someone I don't know said something about someone else I don't know.
Sexy Celebrity
12-30-16, 10:14 PM
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Isn't that your hairspray?
Im just gonna make this thread a depot for any future Idiotic Political Correctness. Please anyone feel free to do the same. We got to take a stand people! :)
FromBeyond
01-03-17, 11:57 AM
Trump is President of the US and pretty soon the National Front will be in power in France and the rest of Europe is following suite. Political Correctness is having it's day, let them prattle on.
Trump is President of the US and pretty soon the National Front will be in power in France and the rest of Europe is following suite. Political Correctness is having it's day, let them prattle on.
Trump is not politically correct to the other extreme, and is proud of it. Hell he wont even stop Tweeting crap about people, and liberals abhor Trump. Im sure Trump wasnt offended by Steve Martins tweet in any way. :lol: He's still a dolt though.
Citizen Rules
01-03-17, 01:25 PM
Trump is President of the US and pretty soon the National Front will be in power in France and the rest of Europe is following suite. Political Correctness is having it's day, let them prattle on.Trump is President of the US and pretty soon the National Font will be Arial.
FromBeyond
01-03-17, 05:42 PM
Trump is President of the US and pretty soon the National Front will be in power in France and the rest of Europe is following suite. Political Correctness is having it's day, let them prattle on.
Hell he wont even stop Tweeting crap about people
I thought they confiscated his Twitter. Doesn't he know he's president soon.
Ms Le Pen might make it to the final round, but I doubt she'll win.
Unless Russia get involved :p
Sexy Celebrity
01-03-17, 06:44 PM
I thought they confiscated his Twitter. Doesn't he know he's president soon.
Doesn't everybody?
Iroquois
01-03-17, 11:30 PM
Im just gonna make this thread a depot for any future Idiotic Political Correctness. Please anyone feel free to do the same. We got to take a stand people! :)
Some people just like to look for things to get offended over.
Friendly Mushroom!
01-06-17, 11:00 PM
I'm bumping this because of the Chicago Torture Video news. (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chicago+torture+video&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) and the response it has received.
One thing I would like to mention is that my parents said over dinner they were convinced Obama wouldn't comment on this. He did though. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-facebook-live-attack-video-20170105-story.html)
Because they said it wouldnt make headlines because it was black doing it to whites or?
Aside from that-
I find it really disturbing how so many have released photos from it with a clear shot of his face,unless hes okay`d it of course.
I'm bumping this because of the Chicago Torture Video news. (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chicago+torture+video&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) and the response it has received.
One thing I would like to mention is that my parents said over dinner they were convinced Obama wouldn't comment on this. He did though. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-facebook-live-attack-video-20170105-story.html)
No offense Mush but I think the Chicago Torture video goes waaaaaaay past idiotic political correctness. Those punks are sick and sadly not uncommon.
I was aiming more for news outlets or viral trends that have their head up their ass.
No organization, belief, institution, group, etc... is flawless. Not even the ever fearful opinion of the masses.
And another thing! :) I will continue to say "We" because we all can be guilty of this at times, even me. Im not looking for something to be offended by, I dont live for that crap, but I have been too disgusted too often with my countrymen for awhile, its getting worse, it goes beyond just politics, and I am bitching. :yup:
Friendly Mushroom!
01-07-17, 11:24 PM
No offense Mush but I think the Chicago Torture video goes waaaaaaay past idiotic political correctness. Those punks are sick and sadly not uncommon.
I was aiming more for news outlets or viral trends that have their head up their ass.
No organization, belief, institution, group, etc... is flawless. Not even the ever fearful opinion of the masses.
And another thing! :) I will continue to say "We" because we all can be guilty of this at times, even me. Im not looking for something to be offended by, I dont live for that crap, but I have been too disgusted too often with my countrymen for awhile, its getting worse, it goes beyond just politics, and I am bitching. :yup:
Sorry. I didn't think this warranted a thread nor did I thought it was big enough (physical impact wise) for the Terrorism Thread (that I really think should be remained) so I just put it here for some reason. I mainly posted it here for the reaction versus the actual act, though the act is still way worse than any bad reaction.
Just in case anyone got the wrong impression, this thread isnt about hating Feminism or Feminists. :)
that is all
Politically Correct Idiocy strike again!
'Dear White People' sparks calls for Netflix boycott
Netflix shared the trailer for its new comedy series Dear White People and some people aren't pleased.
With the announcement that Netflix is set to stream the TV adaptation of the 2014 film Dear White People, some people have cancelled their subscription and are venting their anger on Twitter with the hashtag #BoycottNetflix.
The 10-episode adaptation is based on the 2014 crowd-funded movie of the same name.
Set in a predominantly white Ivy League college, the series focuses on a series of racially insensitive parties that spark tensions on campus and inspire one of the characters to become more direct in her critiques of the school's white student population.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzggK5DRBA
The premise of the show isn't anti-White. It's meant to be provocatively tongue-in-cheek and uncomfortably funny. In fact, the series is hoping to bridge racial divides by highlighting racial tensions that are generally ignored.
But it all kicked off on Twitter when Tim Treadstone, a former Buzzfeed writer who has since become an outspoken member of the so-called alt-right Twitter mob under his @BakedAlaska handle, argued that Dear White People was promoting "white genocide" and encouraged his followers to cancel their Netflix subscriptions in protest.
Director Justin Simien has responded to the backlash on Facebook: "When the first trailer for the film dropped, I'll admit the deluge of claims that I was a reverse racist and a 'piece of [expletive] monkey that should shut up and go back to Africa' really hurt," Simien wrote.
"But now, I feel strangely encouraged. To see the sheer threat that people feel over a date announcement video featuring a woman of color (politely) asking not to be mocked makes it so clear why I made this show."
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/dear-white-people-sparks-calls-for-netflix-boycott-35440153.html
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Remember when I said All In The Family couldnt air today because some politically correct idiots would be offended, well heres proof of it.
Disgusting :rolleyes:
cool thread, tongo. The carrie Fisher Steve Martin one - outrageous!!! This is why SJWs on the net have become universally loathed. utterley *insert norty word* shameful they made him feel he had to delete.
Havent read the thread yet but another was SJWs abusing and threatening Bryan Fuller when he killed off a female character on Hannibal. He got pushed so far he deleted his titter account. Even the actress told the idiots to STFU.
All i've heard is that it's racists that have been downvoting Dear White People. Obviously i've heard wrong then and don't really know what this is nor want to know. Either way i'm confused.
I have to laugh…these sissy snowflakes need an island of their own. Just draw faces on a whole bunch of coconuts and watch them be offended by a silent coconut…over and over and over again. Because let’s face it, they don’t really have a reason for their ‘stupid’… they just are and it doesn’t matter what’s happening around them, they just like to hear themselves talk about being offended and acting like they are warriors for social justice. It makes them feel pretty. Or something…
- rightwingnews (Impartial Commentator apparently)
The Gunslinger45
02-11-17, 06:44 PM
I heard of the movie and never saw it. As for Netflix, I admit I only watch it for the Marvel shows. And it is getting hard to justify a $10.00 a month price tag for a service I only use a few times a year.
Then again Daredevil is f***ing amazing.
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 06:44 PM
No sense in me responding directly to Tongo as he won't see my reply anyway. Maybe Iros will have something to say about this topic.
But I did watch that video Tongo posted, and it looks like cheap race baiting to me and likely to further cause a divide in our (America) already polarized society.
- rightwingnews (Impartial Commentator apparently)
Yeah, not the most legitimate of sources :laugh:, but aside from the writers dialogue the facts are at least all in there.
Then again Daredevil is f***ing amazing.
http://i.imgur.com/vB9B5.gif
No sense in me responding directly to Tongo as he won't see my reply anyway. Maybe Iros will have something to say about this topic.
But I did watch that video Tongo posted, and it looks like cheap race baiting to me and likely to further cause a divide in our (America) already polarized society.
Can i ask how it is "cheap race baiting"? I really don't understand.
i think race baiting is definitely a thing but i didn't get that from that 30 second video and i'm wondering how you did? Personally, i hope it has nothing to do with the title; white people (like me) have no right getting uppity and defensive over a video title.
Yeah, not the most legitimate of sources :laugh:, but aside from the writers dialogue the facts are at least all in there.
http://i.imgur.com/vB9B5.gif
Can you post other sources for the facts, please? You regularly rail against alt-right news because of Trump (rightfully, well done) and now you are using an alt-right site as your source? C'mon?
Can i ask how it is "cheap race baiting"? I really don't understand.
i think race baiting is definitely a thing but i didn't get that from that 30 second video and i'm wondering how you did? Personally, i hope it has nothing to do with the title; white people (like me) have no right getting uppity and defensive over a video title.
Really Camo I have no desire or need to read CRs nicety-nice artificially flavored b.s. posts :nope:
Maybe this will shed light on the subject for those that dont know, Dear White People seems to be a show where we get a comedic perspective on society from the black folks, like All In The Family was from white folks.
Can you post other sources for the facts, please? You regularly rail against alt-right news because of Trump (rightfully, well done) and now you are using an alt-right site as your source? C'mon?
Im not a hypocrite Camo, heres a bunch take your pick.........
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Dear-White-People/204816796389292?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6385978558494103484
Im not a hypocrite Camo, heres a bunch take your pick.........
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Dear-White-People/204816796389292?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6385978558494103484
CALM DOWN. I only asked you, an alternative link would suffice i was only making a minor point. Thank you and i apologize if i came across another way.
The movie from 2014 was definitely a satire. To me, it seems like Tongo's advocating the opposite of what he usually does.
I don't have Facebook and can't be bothered going through that so i'll just take your word for it, TONGO :)
Genuinely, i'm not being sarcastic here so don't go nuts :p;)
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 07:12 PM
Can i ask how it is "cheap race baiting"? I really don't understand.
i think race baiting is definitely a thing but i didn't get that from that 30 second video and i'm wondering how you did? Personally, i hope it has nothing to do with the title; white people (like me) have no right getting uppity and defensive over a video title. To me (albeit in the short 35 second video) it looked like black anger aimed at white people, with white people being lumped all together.
It starts off "Dear White People here's a list of things of acceptable Halloween costumes"... Now I would really need to see the entire show to put that video in context, as it could be meant many different ways.
But on face value it's like saying 'all Muslims', 'all Asians', all Black people'..,,,But there is NO ALL, and to lump the actions of a few as belonging to an entire group, is stereo typing and wrong.
BUT the show could actually be poking fun at those (blacks & whites) who do stereo type, so in that case it could be a positive thing. But as to what I seen👎
CALM DOWN. I only asked you, an alternative link would suffice i was only making a minor point. Thank you and i apologize if i came across another way.
Sorry, I overreacted :blush:
The movie from 2014 was definitely a satire. To me, it seems like Tongo's advocating the opposite of what he usually does.
I dont understand, what do you mean?
The movie from 2014 was definitely a satire. To me, it seems like Tongo's advocating the opposite of what he usually does.
Have you seen it, Mark? If so what did you think?
My guess without seeing it is pretty easy satire that is only interesting because the races are reversed. Mostly uninteresting and certainly not something to get worked up over unless you are a white supremacist.
Movie Max
02-11-17, 07:24 PM
...and now you are using an alt-right site as your source? C'mon?
I have to admit, that was also the first thing I thought of.:dizzy::laugh:
I like the recliners they have in the IU list lounge.:D
I have to admit, that was also the first thing I thought of.:dizzy::laugh:
I like the recliners they have in the IU list lounge.:D
You aint on my IU list.
Movie Max
02-11-17, 07:28 PM
I thought I might be on it again, soon. You're always keeping me on pins and needles. It was funny to see you use an alt-right link as a reference. Just saying.
Since Im getting some flack over the link I went to look for another and heres one headline from The Daily Dot (never heard of it) "White supremacists are canceling their Netflix over 'Dear White People'"
http://www.dailydot.com/upstream/alt-right-netflix-boycott-dear-white-people/?fb=dd
In comparison, my link doesnt seem so bad.
To me (albeit in the short 35 second video) it looked like black anger aimed at white people, with white people being lumped all together.
It starts off "Dear White People here's a list of things of acceptable Halloween costumes"... Now I would really need to see the entire show to put that video in context, as it could be meant many different ways.
But on face value it's like saying 'all Muslims', 'all Asians', all Black people'..,,,But there is NO ALL, and to lump the actions of a few as belonging to an entire group, is stereo typing and wrong.
BUT the show could actually be poking fun at those (blacks & whites) who do stereo type, so in that case it could be a positive thing. But as to what I seen👎
I think after blacks being stereotyped by white people since the advent of Television: and right up until at least the mid 90's before black people started forcing themselves into better roles through NAACP/Black Guild Unions, etc, that we have no right to be sensitive. It comes across much more pathetic and snowflake-like that white people call for racial harmony the moment their perfect existence is challenged.
It mostly comes across like "yes we are the good whites" we were waiting for you to join us at the top and now we can all be fine together. It doesn't work like that; plenty of non-whites are pissed off and rightfully so in the western world and whites acting precious whenever they are made fun of has got to be the most insulting thing ever when you realize that we are the most pampered race of all time.
The movie was about blacks trying to find their voice at an Ivy League college where they are a small population. Some try to right what they see as social injustice and some try to fit in and become popular while losing much of their "blackness". The key plot point of the movie is a white-sponsored Halloween party where the predominate "costume" is blackface. It appears the series takes that as its jumping-off point too. By the way, I thought the movie had some points to make, but it was too sluggish and the resolution was a bit too muddled, but hey, that's what real life is. I'd give it a 2.5-.
I think after blacks being stereotyped by white people since the advent of Television: and right up until at least the mid 90's before black people started forcing themselves into better roles through NAACP/Black Guild Unions, etc, that we have no right to be sensitive. It comes across much more pathetic and snowflake-like that white people call for racial harmony the moment their perfect existence is challenged.
It mostly comes across like "yes we are the good whites" we were waiting for you to join us at the top and now we can all be fine together. It doesn't work like that; plenty of non-whites are pissed off and rightfully so in the western world and whites acting precious whenever they are made fun of has got to be the most insulting thing ever when you realize that we are the most pampered race of all time.
I actually wish I could rep this post twice. :up:
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 07:41 PM
I think after blacks being stereotyped by white people since the advent of Television: and right up until at least the mid 90's before black people started forcing themselves into better roles through NAACP/Black Guild Unions, etc, that we have no right to be sensitive.Two wrongs don't make a right. Racism, bigotry & stereo typing is always wrong no matter who does it.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Racism, bigotry & stereo typing is always wrong no matter who does it.
Agreed. You've got to feel that your current crusade is small and pathetic though; when you realize that every other race has been dealing with this 50 years before whites have. You (meaning us whites) piggybacking on the racial-stereotyping is wrong since whites are now allowed to be a target is the most crushingly sad thing i can think of. And to add to that Asians are still fair-game to be stereotyped; 2 Broke Girls features a 'hahahahahaha: he's Chinese' Character in every episode. Depressing!
Let's go white's :flair:
Blix the Goblin
02-11-17, 07:51 PM
we are the most pampered race of all time.There is no "pampered race." The fact that predominantly white nations have been very successful in the past few centuries does not make it okay to generalize about whites. Also if you want to use the phrase "of all time" perhaps you should study history a bit more. I doubt the white Christian slaves in the Ottoman Empire felt all that "pampered," nor the white homeless man in the streets right now.
No one becomes fair game for racism just because their ancestors were big meanies. There is no "innocent" or "guilty" race, and all have suffered at some point in human history.
There is no "pampered race." The fact that predominantly white nations have been very successful in the past few centuries does make it okay to generalize about whites. Also if you want to use the phrase "of all time" perhaps you should study history a bit more. I doubt the white Christian slaves in the Ottoman Empire felt all that "pampered," nor the white homeless man in streets right now.
No one becomes fair game for racism just because their ancestors were big meanies. There is no "innocent" or "guilty" race, and all have suffered at some point in human history.
The point is, we as white people have had it real good compared to other races in our generation. We got to have thicker skin because of what our ancestors did to others.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 07:58 PM
There is no "pampered race." The fact that predominantly white nations have been very successful in the past few centuries does make it okay to generalize about whites. Also if you want to use the phrase "of all time" perhaps you should study history a bit more. I doubt the white Christian slaves in the Ottoman Empire felt all that "pampered," nor the white homeless man in streets right now.
No one becomes fair game for racism just because their ancestors were big meanies. There is no "innocent" or "guilty" race, and all have suffered at some point in human history.
In fact, the English word "slave" is derived from the ethnonym "Slav" - which represented the Slavic peoples. In medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word "slav" becoming synonym to "enslaved person." Slavs were from Central & Eastern Europe and Northern Asia (Russia) and were primarily caucasian. Hardly the first peoples enslaved on the planet, but our word for slave is derived from a group of white people that were enslaved by others.
In fact, the English word "slave" is derived from the ethnonym "Slav" - which represented the Slavic peoples. In medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word "slav" becoming synonym to "enslaved person." Slavs were from Central & Eastern Europe and Northern Asia (Russia) and were primarily caucasian. Hardly the first peoples enslaved on the planet, but our word for slave is derived from a group of white people that were enslaved by others.
The point is, we as white people have had it real good compared to other races in our generation. We got to have thicker skin because of what our ancestors did to others.
matt72582
02-11-17, 08:13 PM
I can't stand PC on either side. But in a world of 8 billion people, there will always be media and other businesses who are waiting for a quorum to make a story out of nothing.
No one in here said a thing about Steve Martin.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:13 PM
The point is, we as white people have had it real good compared to other races in our generation. We got to have thicker skin because of what our ancestors did to others.
My ancestors were farmers in feudal Germany - most of them acting as serfs.
None of them were in North America while slaves were being brought from Africa, none of them were killing Native Americans as they made their way west, none forced any Chinese to build railroads.
My ancestors came here during the great immigration of the late 19th century.
During WWI my forefathers fought against their former countrymen; the Germans for America (and all races, creeds and colors contained therein).
During WWII my grandfathers & uncles fought the Nazis and Axis forces for America.
During the Korean War my father served in the U.S. Navy against the dictatorship of North Korea.
Not everybody has some bloody ancestral sins of enslavement, genocide and oppression to answer for. ;)
There is no "pampered race." The fact that predominantly white nations have been very successful in the past few centuries does not make it okay to generalize about whites. Also if you want to use the phrase "of all time" perhaps you should study history a bit more. I doubt the white Christian slaves in the Ottoman Empire felt all that "pampered," nor the white homeless man in the streets right now.
No one becomes fair game for racism just because their ancestors were big meanies. There is no "innocent" or "guilty" race, and all have suffered at some point in human history.
"Of all time" is referring to a specific group of people in a specific time period: White 21st Century Westerners. White 21st Century (Male even more specifically) Westerners are the most pampered race of all time.
I didn't say at any time that mocking of anyone is okay but i did say that there should be some perspective. And the idea that Whites are instantly allowed to be as hurt and offended by stuff they've never had to deal with is absurd. It's portraying non-whites as moronic monkeys for 50 years then suddenly being offended with them because someone calls a white a cracker.
In fact, the English word "slave" is derived from the ethnonym "Slav" - which represented the Slavic peoples. In medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word "slav" becoming synonym to "enslaved person." Slavs were from Central & Eastern Europe and Northern Asia (Russia) and were primarily caucasian. Hardly the first peoples enslaved on the planet, but our word for slave is derived from a group of white people that were enslaved by others.
Noone mentioned slaves. Nice strawman :rolleyes:
The point is, we as white people have had it real good compared to other races in our generation. We got to have thicker skin because of what our ancestors did to others.
I'd like to remind everyone that this started with a white person being offended by a trailer and it has morphed into non-white people being too sensitive somehow :D.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:19 PM
Noone mentioned slaves. Nice strawman :rolleyes:
Um... yes they did. In the post above mine (the one you quoted) I quoted the post by Blix the Goblin wherein they mentioned slaves.
My ancestors were farmers in feudal Germany - most of them acting as serfs.
None of them were in North America while slaves were being brought from Africa, none of them were killing Native Americans as they made their way west, none forced any Chinese to build railroads.
My ancestors came here during the great immigration of the late 19th century.
During WWI my forefathers fought against their former countrymen; the Germans for America (and all races, creeds and colors contained therein).
During WWII my grandfathers & uncles fought the Nazis and Axis forces for America.
During the Korean War my father served in the U.S. Navy against the dictatorship of North Korea.
Not everybody has some bloody ancestral sins of enslavement, genocide and oppression to answer for. ;)
If youre white, youre white. You and I will be in blanket statements made about white people for what our ancestors did, or what the weak minded white supremacists do today. It doesnt matter what our fathers and their fathers did, its what we do now that determines who we are. We have to have thicker skin, because with all the advantages we as whites have, theres still too much idiocy displayed.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:25 PM
If youre white, youre white. You and I will be in blanket statements made about white people for what our ancestors did, or what the weak minded white supremacists do today. It doesnt matter what our fathers and their fathers did, its what we do now that determines who we are. We have to have thicker skin, because with all the advantages we as whites have, theres still too much idiocy displayed.
I agree with you. But the concept of equality means everyone should have equally thick skins.
What Political Correctness has given us is a society of double standard where only the majority MUST have thick skins, while certain select groups (and this goes for groups beyond just race) can get offended by anything and everything (no matter the intention) and hurl as many offences as they want while maintaining both their victimhood and entitlement that makes them impervious to criticism or having the double standard acknowledged (i.e. being called out for being fragile & triggered little babies who can constantly dish it out, but can never take it!) ;)
I agree with you. But the concept of equality means everyone should have equally thick skins.
What Political Correctness has given us is a society of double standard where only the majority MUST have thick skins, while certain select groups (and this goes for groups beyond just race) can get offended by anything and everything (no matter the intention) and hurl as many offences as they want while maintaining both their victimhood and entitlement that makes them impervious to criticism or having the double standard acknowledged (i.e. being called out for being fragile & triggered little babies who can constantly dish it out, but can never take it!) ;)
No, youre not getting it. Life is not fair, regardless what political correctness strives for. Since the whites have been the enslavers and oppressors in our histories recent memory, we have to have thicker skin than say blacks or native americans.
My skin is so white I glow in the dark but this is an aussie comedian of Asian heritage who spoofs white people. Not PC for the white easily butthurt xenophobes in australia but I love this guy. I posted one segment in shoutbox earlier. He's very popular here, but the HOW DARE A COLOURED GUY RIDICULE US BY MAKING FUN OF ASIAN STEREOTYPES' crowd go batsht crazy about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq5HaiFRjXo
Well anyway, think i'm way too emotional and not rational enough for stuff like this. I'm going to stop posting here soon but even if i wasn't i think i should just stay out of this stuff.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:35 PM
No, youre not getting it. Life is not fair, regardless what political correctness strives for. Since the whites have been the enslavers and oppressors in our histories recent memory, we have to have thicker skin than say blacks or native americans.
I get you. But the fact remains I haven't enslaved anyone - none of my ancestors enslaved anyone. I don't believe in slavery, I believe in equality. Thus I have nothing to apologize for or feel guilty about. And if people get offended by my sense of humor, then they can ignore it or go find a country where speech they don't like is silenced and live there! :cool:
I get you. But the fact remains I haven't enslaved anyone - none of my ancestors enslaved anyone. I don't believe in slavery, I believe in equality. Thus I have nothing to apologize for or feel guilty about. And if people get offended by my sense of humor, then they can ignore it or go find a country where speech they don't like is silenced and live there! :cool:
yeah I do get this point about people imposing white guilt. My great grandparents were exiles here. They had nothing to do with the british empire causing genocide with the indigenous. I have no guilt about my part in that because I had no part in that, but I am all for reconciliation. I think maybe that is what you are getting at, Cap?
I am absolutely horrified at things I have seen first hand in Tibet, but I dont think young people in China are responsible for that either. It's the govt.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:40 PM
Well anyway, think i'm way too emotional and not rational enough for stuff like this. I'm going to stop posting here soon but even if i wasn't i think i should just stay out of this stuff.
MoFo please! Jus' cause you bein irrational and gots Irdris Elba as yo' avatar don' mean you suddenly some kinda Al Sharpton all up in here!
(see... I'm doing just what that Netflix show is mad at white people for doing... it's a joke.)
MoFo please! Jus' cause you bein irrational and gots Irdris Elba as yo' avatar don' mean you suddenly some kinda Al Sharpton all up in here!
(see... I'm doing just what that Netflix show is mad at white people for doing... it's a joke.)
White people being offended by the joke is the problem.
Well anyway, think i'm way too emotional and not rational enough for stuff like this. I'm going to stop posting here soon but even if i wasn't i think i should just stay out of this stuff.
I dont think you should stay out of it. You have a voice and you should use it. From my very short time on here I feel you're a bit angry (that's just what I experienced the other day) and maybe that anger is because you feel shouted down? Stuff that. If you want to comment on something that is very political now, I respect that. Dont feel shouted down, the same as I wont feel shouted down because I'm from imdb and you feel a bit suspicious of us. That's cool. As long as we all try to see the opposing PoV lets just rock with it. Discourse on this issue needs to stay open.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:46 PM
White people being offended by the joke is the problem.
Maybe. I couldn't really tell much from the clip except that the girl doesn't like white people dressing up in black face - which has been considered offensive since the days of vaudeville ended.
My final word on the matter...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L104LViQeIw
Also i'm as white as white can be for the record. Always forget i have Stringer as an Av which is really misleading. I'm Toby Maguire in Fear and Loathing white.
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 08:47 PM
I get you. But the fact remains I haven't enslaved anyone - none of my ancestors enslaved anyone... I don't think mine did either? But who knows?
On my father's mother side of the family line, I have a direct relative that was on the colony charter at Ipswich, Massachusetts. I forget the exact year but it was sometime in the 1760s. Which makes me like this guy from Gangs of New York
http://68.media.tumblr.com/ece048d6417aab178f274bd39b72cc86/tumblr_oi7620xahz1tnr5w2o1_500.jpg
So make of that what you will.
Also i'm as white as white can be for the record. Always forget i have Stringer as an Av which is really misleading. I'm Toby Maguire in Fear and Loathing white.
Is that comment to me, Cam? I made no assumption about your ethnicity. My point is the discussion needs to remain open and no one should feel shouted down. If you want to discuss it, you should feel free to discuss.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 08:53 PM
I dont think you should stay out of it. You have a voice and you should use it. From my very short time on here I feel you're a bit angry (that's just what I experienced the other day) and maybe that anger is because you feel shouted down? Stuff that. If you want to comment on something that is very political now, I respect that. Dont feel shouted down, the same as I wont feel shouted down because I'm from imdb and you feel a bit suspicious of us. That's cool. As long as we all try to see the opposing PoV lets just rock with it. Discourse on this issue needs to stay open.
Camo's not angry, he just needs a good stiff drink... afterall, it is Saturday Night!
P.S. I only came to this thread for the Steve Martin! (and because Tongo was posting... and together, he and I are two wild and crazy guys!) ;)
No, your comment was ridiculous so i ignored it. I've made no indication that i'm not posting because of this; i've told a few users at least one or two reasons why i'm not but mostly it's personal reasons. I usually regularly discuss stuff with Captain, Citizen, etc, so i'm sure they didn't think it was related. Or at least i hope they didn't; could see that now since you brought it up but i don't think Citizen would have thought that at least.
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 09:02 PM
No, your comment was ridiculous so i ignored it. I've made no indication that i'm not posting because of this; i've told a few users at least one or two reasons why i'm not but mostly it's personal reasons. I usually regularly discuss stuff with Captain, Citizen, etc, so i'm sure they didn't think it was related. Or at least i hope they didn't; could see that now since you brought it up but i don't think Citizen would have thought that at least.I'm not following this thread very closely as I'm more interested in Miss Vickys countdown. But yea, Camo was fine. He seemed to be just saying his points. I didn't take anything personally.
oh OK. Lashing at at an imdb user yet again. Go for your life.
Look mate, I wasnt taking a jab at you by saying I think you're angry. I'm angry as well. This is a scary time we're going though at the moment. It's also a really good time if you look for the positives, but if you want to continue telling me I'm ridiculous, knock yourself out. You really do come across as very hostile.
Blix the Goblin
02-11-17, 09:05 PM
"Of all time" is referring to a specific group of people in a specific time period: White 21st Century Westerners. White 21st Century (Male even more specifically) Westerners are the most pampered race of all time.Fair enough, although I would include all Westerners in that, singling out whites simply because they are the majority is silly. Singling out men is in even worse, and makes no sense. There is no such thing as "male privilege" in the western world. Unless you consider being at far greater risk of suicide, taking all of the most dangerous jobs, getting harsher prison sentences, making up the majority of the homeless population, and being less likely to attain a college degree a "privilege."I didn't say at any time that mocking of anyone is okay but i did say that there should be some perspective. And the idea that Whites are instantly allowed to be as hurt and offended by stuff they've never had to deal with is absurd. It's portraying non-whites as moronic monkeys for 50 years then suddenly being offended with them because someone calls a white a cracker.Anyone is "allowed" to be offended by anything, this argument of "you can't complain because X did Y" is complete bull. The fact that other whites used black stereotypes in movies doesn't mean I'm somehow being oversensitive when the reverse occurs. Either racial stereotyping is wrong or it isn't, there's no sliding scale based on who has suffered more.
Movie Max
02-11-17, 09:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTuYe-G2BI
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 09:10 PM
yeah I do get this point about people imposing white guilt. My great grandparents were exiles here. They had nothing to do with the british empire causing genocide with the indigenous. I have no guilt about my part in that because I had no part in that, but I am all for reconciliation. I think maybe that is what you are getting at, Cap?
I am absolutely horrified at things I have seen first hand in Tibet, but I dont think young people in China are responsible for that either. It's the govt.
No, that's not what I'm getting at... I'm just a racist.
Now, isn't Australia where the bloody Brits sent all their criminals (after too many of them that they already shipped over the Atlantic started getting rich growing pot in the so-called "colonies")? "Exiles" huh? - that's a nice word for it, Dani.
(See, I'm not prejudiced, I pick on everybody! Welcome to the MoFo, Sheila!) ;)
Lol@ sheila. How did you know that term? That's sort of very 70s. Kinda died out. Now we make fun of people because of eye and hair colour. I'm an evil ginger so I get called by bogans (a bogan is a redneck) Ranga. Short for orangutan.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 09:15 PM
Lol@ sheila. How did you know that term? That's sort of very 70s. Kinda died out. Now we make fun of people because of eye and hair colour. I'm an evil ginger so I get called by bogans (a bogan is a redneck) Ranga. Short for orangutan.
I'm not as dum as I think I am!
I wasn't aware people outside of this island of criminals were aware of our slang.
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 09:20 PM
Lol@ sheila. How did you know that term? He watched Crocodile Dundee:p
Friendly Mushroom!
02-11-17, 09:20 PM
I was going to make a thread on this but Tongo beated me to it.
Anyways, I'll like to share this video -
https://youtu.be/Gt_tUnf6T2E
Just also want to point out the alt-righters boycotting Netflix for being "liberal" are stupid. Are you boycotting Chinese products cause the're communist?
He watched Crocodile Dundee:p
Oh yeah I vaguely recall that Paul Hogan said sheila. I think he might have even coined it back in the 70s when he had his bogan tv show. He wasnt called bogan back then.He was called an ocker. Loud mouthed feral australian.
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 09:25 PM
I know two Aussie words...sheila which I don't use and fair dinkum, which I use all the time.
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 09:29 PM
He watched Crocodile Dundee:p
Hah! Rep for the zinger of the evening.
Well played!
Citizen Rules
02-11-17, 09:31 PM
Hah! Rep for the zinger of the evening.
Well played! Goes to check for a rep by Capt...
That movie is where I first heard sheila and the shrimp on the barbie phrase too. Barbie is probably spelled wrong:(
Blix the Goblin
02-11-17, 09:32 PM
I wasn't aware people outside of this island of criminals were aware of our slang.You'd be surprised how many Americans like Australian television shows. Aussie and Kiwi TV are the new Brit TV.
You'd be surprised how many Americans like Australian television shows. Aussie and Kiwi TV are the new Brit TV.
Crikey. That's Bewdy Bottla Bonanza!
That means, oh clutch my pearls, that's simply fabulous, darling.
Blix the Goblin
02-11-17, 10:04 PM
Also you gave us Errol Flynn, thanks for that by the way
Captain Steel
02-11-17, 10:07 PM
Goes to check for a rep by Capt...
That movie is where I first heard sheila and the shrimp on the barbie phrase too. Barbie is probably spelled wrong:(
"Shrimp on the Barbie" was a derogatory name for "Ken" (used by Barbie's girlfriends). ;)
The Gunslinger45
02-11-17, 10:13 PM
I myself think stereotypes can be hilarious. But in order for it to work, everyone needs to be able to be made fun of. Black, White, Asian, or whatever. That is why I like a lot of shows that really push a lot of buttons or lampoon the sacred and taboo. I love Blazing Saddles (and Mel Brooks period), South Park, Drawn Together, The Boondocks, The Chappelle Show and the like. All lampoon racial stereotypes in one form of another. Whether it be a clever subversion by satire (South Park or Mel Brooks) or just showing how stupid stereotypes can be (Drawn Together). Comedy is at it's best when it is pushed to the edge and these shows and films do it in their own way.
But stereotypes fail to be funny when they are poorly written. If the stereotypes feel less like comedy and more like a college lecture or were pulled from Stormfront then the show or film starts to come off as mean spirited and flat out unfunny. Just look at Spike Lee and his film Bamboozled.
I will pass on this series of Dear White People. I have not seen the movie the show is based off of for the record. I'm not going to cancel my Netflix subscription since I am too dialed into the Marvel movies and shows, and I do not want to wait for DVD and Blu Ray to see Iron Fist, additional seasons of Jessica Jones and Daredevil, and The Defenders. But if some people want to cancel their subscription because of this series they are free to do so. They are in charge of their own spending and are more then free to tell product makers how they feel with their spending or lack there of.
lol at shrimp on the barbie. A shrimp is a short person. I'm 5'2" and shrinking. I get called a shrimp. Barbie is a barbie doll. The thing you throw king prawns on is a Bar B Q.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fd/48/7b/fd487b6b1a14d7569da1e32b21268aa8.jpg
I've never met anyone who says 'crikey'. I think Steve Irwin made that up.
Gunslinger, have you ever seen the movie or spin off show on NBC called Outsourced? Charming display of culture clash. Unfortunately NBC did the usual and cancelled after 1 season.
The Gunslinger45
02-11-17, 10:18 PM
I don't have cable so I can't say that I have. I also watch a lot less TV then I used to thanks to work life.
Stereotypes
The indian telemarketer
The passive aggressive indian manager
The clueless American
The Yuppie Indian telemarketers who work in tech supprt
The American redneck gun freak
The Aussie sluts
The Indian ladies bound by correct protocol
Really sweet movie and tv show. Apparently very popular in India.
The Gunslinger45
02-11-17, 10:24 PM
I remember hearing about the show, but I never saw it.
We saw the movie first and loved it. I've been to India a few times and I thought it was spot on depicting culture clash. Drama with comedic elements. The tv show is just hilarious. Very light hearted and all inclusive. They even throw in a Bollywood segment by the stereotypical office worker dork who annoys everyone and wears socks with sandals. Very cute. He was a fan favourite.
I wasn't aware people outside of this island of criminals were aware of our slang.
Ozzy Man Reviews
Summer Heights High :p
is Ozzy Man Reviews the guy with the potty mouth on facebook? Hilarious. No one is safe.
The schoolgirl with the long hair on Summer Heights High is the guy who coined the bogan term 'ranga' for a redhead.
is Ozzy Man Reviews the guy with the potty mouth on facebook? Hilarious. No one is safe.
The schoolgirl with the long hair on Summer Heights High is the guy who coined the bogan term 'ranga' for a redhead.
He is. He did work for the BBC commentating on Planet Earth 2 which made him quite popular here.
And I loved that show, but I didn't like the character you mentioned. I had no idea he coined the term though :lol:
I've only seen a few of his shows (summer heights high). funny but the novelty kind of wore off for me.
Ozzie Man Reviews my 15 year old niece put me onto. Auntie, Auntie, check out this potty mouth! LOL. First few i saw were during the Rio Olympics. Cried laughing.
I've only seen a few of his shows (summer heights high). funny but the novelty kind of wore off for me.
Ozzie Man Reviews my 15 year old niece put me onto. Auntie, Auntie, check out this potty mouth! LOL. First few i saw were during the Rio Olympics. Cried laughing.
I adore his videos :lol:
And yeah, I know what you mean. I watched Ja'mie private school girl, and although I loved it, it was nowhere near on par with SHH.
He's hysterical. They should get him as an official commentator for the next olympics, but it'sa bit ripe for network tv. We had two comedians showcasing Sydney Olympics. Hysterical, but no norty words. We also get two really good commentators for eurovision each year. That's had cult following here (eurovision) since Abba were big.
He's hysterical. They should get him as an official commentator for the next olympics, but it'sa bit ripe for network tv. We had two comedians showcasing Sydney Olympics. Hysterical, but no norty words. We also get two really good commentators for eurovision each year. That's had cult following here (eurovision) since Abba were big.
I really, really hope he does. He's getting leverage though, some sports team forced him to take a video down etc. And like I say, the BBC like him!
LOL. It's just a parody. I guess the management of that team don't get the aussie dark humour. He even does commentaries of our wildlife.
Iroquois
02-11-17, 11:12 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW/giphy.gif
CiCi, have you seen this one of dogs behaving badly?
WARNING: POTTY MOUTH NOT PG13 (I hope it's OK to post this, Yodels)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYaEIFa6OQ
CiCi, have you seen this one of dogs behaving badly?
WARNING: POTTY MOUTH NOT PG13 (I hope it's OK to post this, Yodels)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYaEIFa6OQ
:lol:
My fave is probably his sport commentaries though, as well as his videos on Yanet Garcia :p
I don't know who that is but will check his commentaries out on Yarnie. he is what we call down here, a funny bastard. I was laughing so hard at the dog one, and my husband was sitting next to me working, dying of laughter without even watching. I used to show our dogs so this was spot on for us.
OMG. Friday night on the internet. Laughed so hard I hurt myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfZ70LGKa4U
Camo's not angry, he just needs a good stiff drink... afterall, it is Saturday Night!
P.S. I only came to this thread for the Steve Martin! (and because Tongo was posting... and together, he and I are two wild and crazy guys!) ;)
:mad: :nope: @ this post
I myself think stereotypes can be hilarious. But in order for it to work, everyone needs to be able to be made fun of. Black, White, Asian, or whatever. That is why I like a lot of shows that really push a lot of buttons or lampoon the sacred and taboo. I love Blazing Saddles (and Mel Brooks period), South Park, Drawn Together, The Boondocks, The Chappelle Show and the like. All lampoon racial stereotypes in one form of another. Whether it be a clever subversion by satire (South Park or Mel Brooks) or just showing how stupid stereotypes can be (Drawn Together). Comedy is at it's best when it is pushed to the edge and these shows and films do it in their own way.
But stereotypes fail to be funny when they are poorly written. If the stereotypes feel less like comedy and more like a college lecture or were pulled from Stormfront then the show or film starts to come off as mean spirited and flat out unfunny. Just look at Spike Lee and his film Bamboozled.
I will pass on this series of Dear White People. I have not seen the movie the show is based off of for the record. I'm not going to cancel my Netflix subscription since I am too dialed into the Marvel movies and shows, and I do not want to wait for DVD and Blu Ray to see Iron Fist, additional seasons of Jessica Jones and Daredevil, and The Defenders. But if some people want to cancel their subscription because of this series they are free to do so. They are in charge of their own spending and are more then free to tell product makers how they feel with their spending or lack there of.
Another post I wish I could rep twice :up:
Politically Correct Idiocy strike again!
'Dear White People' sparks calls for Netflix boycott
Netflix shared the trailer for its new comedy series Dear White People and some people aren't pleased.
With the announcement that Netflix is set to stream the TV adaptation of the 2014 film Dear White People, some people have cancelled their subscription and are venting their anger on Twitter with the hashtag #BoycottNetflix.
The 10-episode adaptation is based on the 2014 crowd-funded movie of the same name.
Set in a predominantly white Ivy League college, the series focuses on a series of racially insensitive parties that spark tensions on campus and inspire one of the characters to become more direct in her critiques of the school's white student population.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzggK5DRBA
The premise of the show isn't anti-White. It's meant to be provocatively tongue-in-cheek and uncomfortably funny. In fact, the series is hoping to bridge racial divides by highlighting racial tensions that are generally ignored.
But it all kicked off on Twitter when Tim Treadstone, a former Buzzfeed writer who has since become an outspoken member of the so-called alt-right Twitter mob under his @BakedAlaska handle, argued that Dear White People was promoting "white genocide" and encouraged his followers to cancel their Netflix subscriptions in protest.
Director Justin Simien has responded to the backlash on Facebook: "When the first trailer for the film dropped, I'll admit the deluge of claims that I was a reverse racist and a 'piece of [expletive] monkey that should shut up and go back to Africa' really hurt," Simien wrote.
"But now, I feel strangely encouraged. To see the sheer threat that people feel over a date announcement video featuring a woman of color (politely) asking not to be mocked makes it so clear why I made this show."
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/dear-white-people-sparks-calls-for-netflix-boycott-35440153.html
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Remember when I said All In The Family couldnt air today because some politically correct idiots would be offended, well heres proof of it.
Disgusting :rolleyes:
I changed the link on the post kicking off this current topic. Not sure if its a more authentic source but its worded more tactfully.
For those who like movies that are not PC I highly recommend this. I seem to recall it caused a stir in UK at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj5fD-QECy0
Captain Steel
02-12-17, 02:56 PM
I think I woke up with Camo's headache this morning!
For those who like movies that are not PC I highly recommend this. I seem to recall it caused a stir in UK at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj5fD-QECy0
Please dont derail the thread again :) I strongly suggest you make your own chat thread on the forum to direct any off-thread topic conversations that start up. Many members do have one.
Ohh, didnt realise I was derailing. You no likey my song, broo?
Captain Steel
02-12-17, 03:02 PM
Whoa. Looks like Tongo woke up on the wrong side of Skull Island too! :D
I was just giving him a gratuitous bump. He should be wearing a loin cloth and fanning me with a peacock fan. *loud crying face*
I was just giving him a gratuitous bump. He should be wearing a loin cloth and fanning me with a peacock fan. *loud crying face*
Oh dont be mad. If you ever feel the need to post off thread topic convo, just go here ;)
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=40647
I wasn't mad but I am now because you haven't oiled yourself up, put on a loin cloth and fanned me with a peacock fan. What on earth am I paying you $1 a day to do, cabana boy? Go get me a gin and tonic, toot sweet!
I'm just amused that two people in this thread misrepresented two of my posts. My video link is totally on point. PC idiots tried to get this parody movie silenced. Didn't work. No one cares about the 'wont you think of the children' censorship brigade any more.
Friendly Mushroom!
02-28-17, 07:24 PM
Ok though this has been huge and going on for a while, no onr has mentioned it here
Basically, the media is accusing Pewdiepie that he is anti-Semitic even though he is not.
https://youtu.be/JLNSiFrS3n4
https://youtu.be/DtlDC1sZFSg
https://youtu.be/CzEt8U3Of2k
PETA faces backlash after criticizing late 'Crocodile Hunter' Steve Irwin on birthday
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/entertainment/peta-faces-backlash-after-tweets-criticizing-steve-irwin-on-birthday.amp
Good
Steve Irwin was an idiot.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/26/1411696837044_wps_15_Picture_to_go_with_Pic_st.jpg
I'm glad he's dead.
MovieMeditation
03-21-19, 09:26 AM
Steve Irwin was an idiot.
I'm glad he's dead.
Oh wauw.
So... what does one do when a mod should be banned:rolleyes:
Citizen Rules
03-21-19, 12:11 PM
Oh wauw.
So... what does one do when a mod should be banned:rolleyes:OMG:eek: a mod did say that. Maybe there's hope for Des to be reinstated after all;)
Think we've said everything there is to say about this topic, anyway, so I'm gonna close this one up.
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