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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8syQeFtBKc
Seriously, watch it until the end.
I didn't want to post about it at first because I was afraid it would just cause another argument but I was pushed to it by a fellow member.
I think first and foremost, this ad is just brilliant on a technical level. Probably because it's active. It's not uselessly saying "this is bad" but actively shows how we can all ignore those signs.
Feeling pretty stunned right now. Curious what people have to say about it.
He already sent me it. Give it a watch, really well done ad. And make sure not to read his spoilers until after you've watched it.
Seriously that has had a big effect on me. Can't stop thinking about it, scary stuff.
Interesting. I'm not sure what my opinion is to be honest. Poignant and sad but true to how things are? I'm just not sure. So many teenagers feel isolated but next to none shoot up their schools. What is that breaking point? Wish there was an answer for that. My heart breaks for anyone who feels unloved and unwanted. Wish I could hug them all.
Could you put that in spoilers please Sean so it doesn't ruin the video for the others? :)
Sean:
Well the whole charity is directly addressing those isolated teenagers who do act out violently.
I don't think anyone is going to disagree how important it is to look for signs of mental health crisis in young people. That was my take-away from the ad, that we are all capable of ignoring that stuff, and obviously that can have a big impact.
Sorry. You guys both did it and I blanked.
Sean:
Well the whole charity is directly addressing those isolated teenagers who do act out violently.
I don't think anyone is going to disagree how important it is to look for signs of mental health crisis in young people. That was my take-away from the ad, that we are all capable of ignoring that stuff, and obviously that can have a big impact.
Absolutely agree. Nothing more to be said.
Still can't believe i didn't even think about the pic of him posing with a gun. Jesus. Well MoFo has completely depressed me today with this and Brando/Bertolucci. :(
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 04:00 PM
I watched the video. I guess I'm suppose to put my honest thoughts in a spoiler tag?
These are the thoughts that popped into my head:
that the kid was an ass for writing on the desk...
then when the shooter appeared at the door it gave me a movie idea for the next Hof.
That's about it, didn't impact me. I guess it was artistically made, but vandalism is still wrong. I bet GBG would agree with the vandalism part.
Should rename this The Spoiler Thread.
I watched the video. I guess I'm suppose to put my honest thoughts in a spoiler tag?
These are the thoughts that popped into my head: that the kid was an ass for writing on the desk...then when the shooter appeared at the door it gave me a movie idea for the next Hof. That's about it, didn't impact me. I guess it was artistically made, but vandalism is still wrong. I bet GBG would agree:p
Do have a bit of a problem with your lack of any emotion about the whole thing. Not personally, but I think on a broad note it proves some problems with how society reacts and discusses this stuff.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 04:03 PM
No, not that movie.
I have to be honest Swan, the video had little impact on me. I guess it's media overload. NOW I have seen a documentary about the Columbine shooting with first hand accounts from the survivors and it was chilling. I think the video in this thread is ineffective at it's message and least when it came to me. It took to long to get to it's point.
No, not that movie.
I have to be honest Swan, the video had little impact on me. I guess it's media overload. NOW I have seen a documentary about the Columbine shooting with first hand accounts from the survivors and it was chilling. I think that video is ineffective at it's message and least when it came to me.
Gotcha. No problem with the ad not working for you. It did with me, which is why I felt so compelled to share it. Kind of regretting that decision now. :eek: Damn you, Camo!
Chypmunk
12-03-16, 04:08 PM
Nice idea well executed imo.!
Why are you regretting it? I probably would've posted it in the chill club or something if you hadn't haha. No idea why this is in spoilers.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 04:11 PM
Gotcha. No problem with the ad not working for you. It did with me, which is why I felt so compelled to share it. Kind of regretting that decision now. http://www.movieforums.com/community/images/smilies/eek.gif.pagespeed.ce.gVpbDqZYDW.gif Damn you, Camo! I'm glad you did post it, it's like a test or a measure of how different people perceive messages, I find that subject fascinating! And it sure beats Trump talk! This has been a worth well thread for me:)
Why are you regretting it? I probably would've posted it in the chill club or something if you hadn't haha. No idea why this is in spoilers.
Haha, I was mostly kidding. Surprised a bit but also kind of knew debate would happen. But I'm okay with it.
Chypmunk
12-03-16, 04:12 PM
Sorry - should I have used spoilers too?
Sorry - should I have used spoilers too?
No worries dude, you didn't spoil anything.
Yes Chyp. Dammit people will know it's well executed now :mad:
Chypmunk
12-03-16, 04:16 PM
No worries dude, you didn't spoil anything.
Phew!
Yes Chyp. Dammit people will know it's well executed now :mad:
I'll go back and put it in spoilers then! :)
Scary how realistic, and how easy this is to miss. Now we are all a hardened bunch of movie viewers, crunch shows like Westworld, LOST, find easter eggs in scenes, and knew there was a catch going-in.....and we still didnt catch it. Very scary how undetectable, and even more undetectable in real life.
Camo was right to urge you to post this Swan. If some are unaffected thats just the way it goes, but most are. ;)
haha i was joking. Only on MoFo could this thread turn into a discussion about spoilers :D
Scary how realistic, and how easy this is to miss. Now we are all a hardened bunch of movie viewers, crunch shows like Westworld, LOST, find easter eggs in scenes, and knew there was a catch going-in.....and we still didnt catch it. Very scary how undetectable, and even more undetectable in real life.
Camo was right to urge you to post this Swan. If some are unaffected thats just the way it goes, but most are. ;)
Yeah, it really got me even though i knew there had to be something coming. I thought it was going to be something funny though.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 04:23 PM
Was there a clue during the video that showed a disturbed kid with a gun? Maybe in the background? I didn't see that if it was there. I thought the shooter appeared in the doorway with out any other foreshadowing. Did I miss something?
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 04:25 PM
I thought the video was gonna end with the guy meeting a fat girl in a wheelchair. This was better.
Was there a clue during the video that showed a disturbed kid with a gun? Maybe in the background? I didn't see that if it was there. I thought the shooter appeared in the doorway with out any other foreshadowing. Did I miss something?
What? Did you stop watching the video or something? It clearly shows you the clues after he appears with the gun. There's a part with him fake shooting his teacher in class with his hand, in the background he's watching a murder video on youtube and when Evan is scrolling through his ipad it shows you a picture of the shooter posing with a gun. No wonder it didn't work for you.
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 04:39 PM
that the kid was an ass for writing on the desk...
I guess it was artistically made, but vandalism is still wrong. I bet GBG would agree with the vandalism part.
GBG would be the shooter.
"Who said you could destroy school property?!"
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG!
The Gunslinger45
12-03-16, 05:02 PM
How the Hell is reading guns and ammo magazine and watching gun videos on YouTube evidence of planning a shooting? That being said, the add was effective in the set up. And they seem to be focusing on mental health issues then the typical knee jerk liberal "BAN ALL GUNS! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! BS"
I will do some research on this.
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 05:04 PM
How the Hell is reading guns and ammo magazine and watching gun videos on YouTube evidence of planning a shooting? That being said, the add was effective in the set up.
And why did it have to be a male shooter? The killer could easily be female.
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 05:06 PM
Hell, the shooter could have been that girl the guy was writing to. Maybe she got fed up waiting for him to reveal himself to her. Or maybe she found out who he was and she didn't like him and she was embarrassed, the whole school found out how sad it was that she was communicating with him, and she snapped.
Threads full of spoiler tags like this make me think of those silent discos where everyone wears headphones playing the same thing.
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 05:22 PM
I don't think there's really any point to keep using the spoiler tags now that we're on page two, going on three.
Was there a clue during the video that showed a disturbed kid with a gun? Maybe in the background? I didn't see that if it was there. I thought the shooter appeared in the doorway with out any other foreshadowing. Did I miss something?
Apparently you missed the last two minutes of the video.
Apparently you missed the last two minutes of the video.
Sorry, Camo already covered this.
Apparently anybody can have a kneejerk reaction regardless of politics. I hope you're OK, Swan.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 05:49 PM
Apparently you missed the last two minutes of the video. It wasn't the last two minutes....the end stuff was much shorter than that, I'm sure of it.
I did see the stuff that came after the shooter appeared of course, which was briefly flashed scenes of a guy holding a gun on a phone screen, some posted stuff on the internet, etc...that seemed to me like someone's PC message, which then caused me to discount it and disconnect from it. I feel the same as Gunslinger it has nothing to do with guns and I didn't appreciate the tone of the last message in the video so I just glazed over that as it was like a epilogue. (you guys want honest opinions right?)
The video was way too long and has too many misdirects in the initial part of it. It should have been 1 minute, then the shooter in the doorway scene, and then a black screen with some PC message in red font. That's how I'd do it if I was in charge of the campaign. It was way too artsy to be effective.
It wasn't the last two minutes....the end stuff was much shorter than that, I'm sure of it.
I did see the stuff that came after the shooter appeared of course, which was briefly flashed scenes of a guy holding a gun on a phone screen, some stuff on the internet, etc, that seemed like someones PC message, which caused me to discount and disconnect from it. I feel the same as Gunslinger it has nothing to do with guns and I didn't appreciate the tone of the last message in the video so I just glazed over that as it was like a epilogue.
The video was way too long and has too many misdirects in it. It should have been 1 minute, then the shooter in the doorway, and a black screen with some PC message in red font. That's how I'd it if I was in charge of the campaign. It was way too artsy to be effective.
But the whole point is you are not paying attention to what is going on right under your nose. It's a simple technique. I find it kind of brilliant when I get fooled like that.
Why did you ask about the clues if you had already saw that part, Citizen?
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 06:02 PM
Because that part comes after the shooter appears, doesn't?
Because that part comes after the shooter appears, doesn't?
It does yeah. Sorry i'm really confused, did you stop watching or did you not get it or what? Those were supposed to be signs that he was troubled: watching a video of guns or posing with a gun might not be signs that you are going to shoot up the school individually but all of them together are cause for concern. Can't believe people are mad that they showed guns honestlly. The main message of the video is that we need to learn how to identify and help these kids before it leads to something like that, that's the main argument i usually hear from pro-gun people and i don't understand how anyone can disagree with it.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 06:17 PM
I'll watch it again. I was posting my 'stream of conciseness' thoughts that occurred to me chronologically as I watched the video. I thought that was the idea of the thread. If I posted in retrospect style, my thoughts would be different on the subject. When I have some time I'll check it out again. I suppose to be working right now:p
Fair enough. The main thing is that while you are watching Evans little writing on the desk plot, there are clear signs of someone exhibiting potentially troubling behaviour in the background. And the video is counting on you not noticing it, just like so many people do in real life. Think Columbine: after it happened people started looking into Harris and Klebold and it was clear that both were really troubled. Hindsight is everything of course, but it's main point is that we should learn from that so we can try and identify potentially dangerous kids (it works for just people in general but that's specifically what the video is about) so we can help them and hopefully avoid these things happening.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 07:41 PM
and this time I put it on full screen and turned up the sound.
First reaction I have is when he's writing I am Bored on the wooden desk, which instantly made me not like the character or the video.
I never listened to the lyrics either time, so what ever they were singing didn't impact me.
It felt like a simple love story about a boy with a crush on a girl. Up until the gunmen appears in the doorway.
I watched the background and paused the video and I did see 'hints':
At 40 seconds there's a kid looking at someone shooting a gun but it was cut so fast and in the background that I couldn't see it tell I paused it.
At 45 seconds I see a pic of a kid with a gun on his phone and I had seen that before too but didn't take it as anything other than kids being kids.
At 57 seconds I seen a kid make a gun out of his fingers, and I had seen that first time too, and thought it just simple background stuff.
OK at 1:38 I see the guy with the gun in the doorway! and yes that is shocking and it was shocking the first time too.
At 1:56 it repeats the scenes of 'gun violence signs' only this time it cuts to a close up of the shots which makes them more visible.
Not an effective video as the director focused on being too artsy at the sake of getting his message across. It reminds me of some billboard ads that aren't even clear as to what they're about. Function before style.
Yes, kids shooting kids is bad. I think they should have shown a kid in his basement fixated on playing violent video games as one of the warning signs.
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 07:44 PM
What the Hell's the matter with you when you instantly dislike a fictional character just because they're writing on a table? I hope you don't have kids.
Sexy Celebrity
12-03-16, 07:48 PM
I thought the video was great. Forget whatever message they were trying to send -- I just loved the surprising ending. My jaw dropped when the shooter appear. A true WTF moment. I found it darkly humorous. I'm sure they probably weren't trying to go for humor -- I noticed they turned the comments section off on Youtube, probably to keep people from making jokes about it, 'cause they wanna be all serious. But it was very black comedy to me, the way it looked like a cute video about two people hooking up, then suddenly, a massacre.
Movie Max
12-03-16, 08:03 PM
, hope it works..."]I don't really see probable cause, until the gym doors open. I'm with Citizen on the lost message here. Target family, friends, teachers to be able to identify problems through interaction with an individual, before they start. Don't dump it on the oblivious student population, unless you want to spread paranoia as a method of prevention.
, hope it works..."]I don't really see probable cause, until the gym doors open. I'm with Citizen on the lost message here. Target family, friends, teachers to be able to identify problems through interaction with an individual, before they start. Don't dump it on the oblivious student population, unless you want to spread paranoia as a method of prevention.Wow. So unlike Citizen you actually finished the video and still got that impression?!
Wow.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 09:07 PM
Wow. So unlike Citizen you actually finished the video and still got that impression?!
Wow. Tongo you've been reading false news stories, again;) I did watch the entire video the first time.
Seriously, i still don't understand why you asked about the clues the way you did if you watched it :laugh:
Tongo you've been reading false news stories, again;) I did watch the entire video the first time.
You did?! I musta misread cause it sounded like you missed the second half the way you were talking. (Im not reading false news stories, at least not trying to. Whenever Ive veered from MSN though Ive bumped into a clunker article or pic.)
Wow to you too then :shrug: I dont know what to say, I guess it just didnt reach you.
You said you noticed the kid with the gun the first time you watched it in your recent posts yet you clearly say in your first post:
Was there a clue during the video that showed a disturbed kid with a gun? Maybe in the background? I didn't see that if it was there. I thought the shooter appeared in the doorway with out any other foreshadowing. Did I miss something?
I'm honestly not attempting some dumb 'got ya' thing i'm honestly just really confused.
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 09:35 PM
You said you noticed the kid with the gun the first time you watched it in your recent posts yet you clearly say in your first post:
I'm honestly not attempting some dumb 'got ya' thing i'm honestly just really confused.
OK, good question....Both statements in my two post, were both true to the best of my recollection of the video at the time I wrote them.
I didn't remember seeing those gun scenes before the shooter appears, and that's what I wrote in the 1st post. BUT when I watched the video the second time, I did remember that I had seen those scenes before (I just didn't recall them until the second viewing, I guess that would be subliminal? and why eye witness testimony can be very sketchy)
In conclusion, you don't want me testifying in court:p
Brilliant PSA. Regardless of whether you agree with how they approached the subject that was obviously a fine example of great filmmaking.
That answers that question but i still don't know why you were asking if there were clues in the first place haha. I'm fine never knowing though :laugh:
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 09:45 PM
That answers that question but i still don't know why you were asking if there were clues in the first place haha. I'm fine never knowing though :laugh: Oh, OK...because, I thought that there might be some hidden clues... and on the the second viewing I not only seen them, but I realized I had seen them before, and they didn't register (the first time)...Just like the double the I just typed, look for it you will see it.
I noticed the double "the" the first time :cool:
Citizen Rules
12-03-16, 09:51 PM
You're good, sharp eyes.
Brains are wired differently between people. I know that the the word trick....but if I didn't know it, I couldn't see it, unless I was really looking specifically for it.
I didn't notice lol.
"Hey that's a perfectly correct sentence by CR!"
Movie Max
12-03-16, 11:03 PM
What ad? This thread is about Citizen, right?
gbgoodies
12-04-16, 04:22 AM
I just finished watching the video (twice), and I thought it was a very powerful video.
I'll admit that my first thought was that the guy shouldn't be writing on the desk, but I knew that that wasn't what the video was about, so I ignored it.
I also knew from the first post in this thread that said "Seriously, watch it until the end.", that there was some kind of a catch at the end of the video. I thought it was going to be something like the person he was writing to was going to be a guy, not a girl, or something like that. I never caught the signs, so I never expected it to be a shooter, but looking back at the video, I can see that that's the whole point of the video. Most people miss the signs.
I think the real question is whether or not these are valid signs. Are these things that actual shooters have done, but they've been missed by the people around them, or are people just assuming that real shooters have done things like that?
Oh, OK...because, I thought that there might be some hidden clues... and on the the second viewing I not only seen them, but I realized I had seen them before, and they didn't register (the first time)...Just like the double the I just typed, look for it you will see it.
I think that's the point of the video. The same way that those signs didn't register with you, if there were signs like that before real life shootings, they were missed by the people around those shooters too. That's exactly why this is a powerful video. If you saw those things like you said you did, but you ignored them, then you did the same thing that other people did. Had those people caught those signs, maybe they could have prevented the shootings.
GBG would be the shooter.
"Who said you could destroy school property?!"
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG!
How did I get blamed for this?!
Sexy Celebrity
12-04-16, 05:09 AM
That video was like a Saw movie. It had a horrible twist ending that came out of nowhere, nobody saw it coming and people got killed.
I thought it was going to be something like the person he was writing to was going to be a guy, not a girl, or something like that.
I thought that, too. Maybe a gay guy. Or - going more with the times - a transgender person. Or maybe Iroquois.
How did I get blamed for this?!
It's Citizen's fault.
I liked it, even if it seems more like a puzzle. But it's effective in its own way. It's always good to remind people to pay attention.
Movie Max
12-04-16, 08:15 AM
Threads full of spoiler tags like this make me think of those silent discos where everyone wears headphones playing the same thing.
Didn't know that was a thing.:D Great solution for raves. Now they can move away from those grungy warehouse neighborhoods. If we could only do something about these downtown nightclubs. Egg cartons on the walls?:p
It tells you on that site what the signs are supposed to be exactly.
People who are at-risk of hurting themselves or others often show signs and signals before an act of violence takes place. When you don’t know what to look for, it can be easy to miss signs, or dismiss them as unimportant, sometimes with tragic consequences.
It’s important to know that one warning sign on its own does not mean a person is planning an act of violence. But when many connected or cumulative signs are observed over a period of time, it could mean that the person is heading down a pathway towards violence or self-harm. By knowing the signs, you have the power to intervene and get help for that person. Your actions can save lives.
01.Exhibiting excessive over-reactions or aggressive behavior for a seemingly minor reason can signal someone who cannot self-regulate their emotions or control their anger. This is in the library when someone walks up to and talks to him, he takes his headphones off then gives her the middle finger. I didn't notice the middle finger til it shows you it paused on the site.
02.Perpetrators of self-harm or violence towards others may be victims of long-term bullying and may have real or perceived feelings of being picked on or persecuted by others. This is of course the one in the hallway when the bullies are picking on him.
03.Excessive study of firearms and mass shootings can mean a person is planning violence. This is the one were he is watching some shooting video on youtube.
04.Unsupervised, illegal and/or easy access to firearms, or bragging about access to firearms, can be a warning. This is the one of him posing with the gun, i didn't notice til now that it says "see you in school" which is a bit much.
05.Gestures of violence and low commitment of aspirations towards school, or a sudden change in academic performance can be a sign that someone needs help. This is the one that he is pretend-shooting his teacher.
Just thought i'd post them in case anyone disagrees.
Movie Max
12-04-16, 12:58 PM
Now, replace the kid exhibiting all these signs, with a muslim kid. Then see how far paying attention to what he does actually gets you, before you get labelled and have your life turned upside down, for bringing it to someone's attention. The video supports profiling of a white kid, I doubt it actually applies to other races.
I'm sure that the discussion which Swan started, is more beneficial than the actual video on its own. At the same time, sandyhookpromise.org has the comments on youtube disabled. Counterproductive, in my opinion.
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