Unexplained Phenomena

[TONGO]

Post any "Unexplained Phenomena", Ill start with the Bermuda Triangle. :)

Bermuda Triangle mystery solved? Hexagonal clouds may be to blame

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/21/09/3993C25D00000578-0-image-a-8_1477037217686.jpg

Strange clouds forming above the Bermuda Triangle could explain why dozens of ships and planes have mysteriously vanished in the notorious patch of sea.

The remarkable new theory suggests the clouds are linked to 170-mph “air bombs” — capable of bringing down planes and ships.

Now the riddle could finally be solved after meteorologists speaking to the Science Channel’s “What on Earth?” revealed their findings.

Using radar satellite imagery, they discovered bizarre “hexagonal”-shaped clouds between 20 and 50 miles wide forming over the dodgy patch of water.

Meteorologist Dr. Randy Cerveny said: “The satellite imagery is really bizarre … the hexagonal shapes of the cloud formations.

“These types of hexagonal shapes in the ocean are in essence air bombs. They’re formed by what is called microbursts and they’re blasts of air.”

The blasts of air are so powerful, they can reach 170 mph — a hurricane-like force easily capable of sinking ships and downing planes.

For centuries, the notorious Bermuda Triangle — located between Miami, Puerto Rico and the island of Bermuda — has been linked with a high number of unexplained disappearances of aircraft and ships in its waters.

The reasons behind the losses have baffled researchers for decades.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/21/the-mystery-of-the-bermuda-triangle-may-finally-be-solved/

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/102116-bermudatriangle.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1

[TONGO]

Thread of the year!

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:laugh:

[Captain Steel]

There's a giant hexagon on Saturn too!
Some people think it is evidence of E.T. life (as only intelligence could form a geometric pattern).
It has since been explained as a natural cloud formation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn%27s_hexagon

[gandalf26]

Think near death experiences or out of body experiences are a good one. Science hasn't really done a good job of explaining why people have vividly left their body during surgery and can describe in great detail the procedures bbeing carried out on them, or having seen a tunnel and light and voices of relatives calling to them.

UFO's are probably the most famous one though. What I have come to believe is that the US have simply been experimenting with advanced aircraft out of Edwards Air Force base in Nevada, more commonly known as Area 51. This has been going on since the end of WW2, likely including experimentation with flying saucer or disc shaped aircraft. The technology may have been acquired from the Nazi's at the conclusion of WW2 and brought back to the US. There have been many famous sightings that are not easily dismissed, the policeman who came across a landed disc shape craft with 2 men walking down a ramp. However there have been strange sightings during bombing runs by RAF pilots during WW2 which describe "dancing lights" around their bomber's, which eventually shoot off at impossible speeds. The idea of "Aliens" has been misdirection I think.

[Sexy Celebrity]

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Life is a mystery. We don't really know why everything exists and what its ultimate purpose is for. Outer space is a great starting point to realizing how mysterious the phenomena of existing in the first place is. Why is it all out there? What's out there? What else might there be? Is there a realm BEYOND space?

[Captain Steel]

Native American face naturally carved into the Badlands of Canada, known as the Badlands Guardian.

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[Sexy Celebrity]

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It looks like Obama.

[Citizen Rules]

http://weknowyourdreams.com/images/stars/stars-07.jpg

Do people even care about the universe any more? I bet most people these days spend very little time thinking about the stars. Unless the stars are in some new TV show:rolleyes:

[TONGO]

http://weknowyourdreams.com/images/stars/stars-07.jpg

Do people even care about the universe any more? I bet most people these days spend very little time thinking about the stars. Unless the stars are in some new TV show:rolleyes:
Imagine posting that in the Guess The Screenshot game? :laugh:

I believe in alien life, and believe in God. I know thats supposed to be a contradiction in scripture, but **** it, why not? :shrug:

I do believe there are ghosts, but dont think theres anything special about them.

[Citizen Rules]

Imagine posting that in the Guess The Screenshot game? :laugh: Ha! everyone would be saying I know I know, 2001 A Space Odyssey.

I believe in alien life, and believe in God. I know thats supposed to be a contradiction in scripture, but **** it, why not? :shrug:Good for you Tongo. The bible says God created Earth and the universe, so that means he created the stars and the planets and everything that's on them. I think there most be intelligent life somewhere out there.

I do believe there are ghosts, but dont think theres anything special about them.That's curious (I mean that in a good way), can you explain what you mean by that there is nothing special about ghost?

[TONGO]

That's curious (I mean that in a good way), can you explain what you mean that there is nothing special about ghost?

What would be special about a ghost? Someone died and their spirits still about, theyre less tangible and aware than when they were living, Id guess. After all the technology available to us, IF we believe in ghosts they can do very little.

Now Bigfoot........now Bigfoot is some straight-up bull****! :yup: I talked to Steel about this once and theres no dayum way some 8 foot tall thousand pounds of stank is gonna be running around any woods undetected. :nope: You want to know where the fans that believed pro-wrestling was real went, theyre watching Finding Bigfoot. Those Finding Bigfoot "scientists" are snake oil salesmen! :laugh:

[Captain Steel]

Personally, I'm VERY interested in stars, planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. See my "list of things." ;)

[Captain Steel]

Now Bigfoot........now Bigfoot is some straight-up bull****! :yup: I talked to Steel about this once and theres no dayum way some 8 foot tall thousand pounds of stank is gonna be running around any woods undetected. :nope: You want to know where the fans that believed pro-wrestling was real went, theyre watching Finding Bigfoot. Those Finding Bigfoot "scientists" are snake oil salesmen! :laugh:

I agree about Finding Bigfoot. I was excited for the show before it aired, but then found it was another one of those stupid ghost-hunter things where they keep going "what's that? did you hear that?" before every commercial. Stupid show. Stopped watching.

I thought Monster Quest was a much better show - more documentary style.

Not sure where to start with arguments for Bigfoot (I can sure come up with a lot against) and just for the record - I love the concept, which is probably why it interests me, but until there's conclusive proof I remain agnostic on the subject.

The "hairy man" legends are almost global. In North America they date back to pre-history (with drawings of them by Meso-Americans).
One "hairy man" legend that came true was the African Mountain Gorilla which was discovered in the late 19th century. This is important because it shows that a formerly legendary man-like species of primate can exist and be discovered.
Eye witness accounts are tricky because there's no way to tell what are mis-identifications or hoaxes. (And as for mis-I.D. - there's only one animal that could be mistaken and that's a bear.) But of the hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses, they have included hundreds from reputable sources including doctors, scientists, teachers, game wardens, police officers, etc. - people who would get no benefit from the claim (but whose careers might suffer because of them).

I could go on and on with this subject!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TevnBtq57Zo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9YcIlkl_c

[AdamUpBxtch]

I personally don't believe in god, but I don't really have anything against people that do. After all I've always thought the concept of God, Heaven, and religion itself was created by our early ancestors as a way for our highly intelligent species to cope with the fact we're all gonna inevitably die like any other organism.

[TONGO]

The "hairy man" legends are almost global. In North America they date back to pre-history (with drawings of them by Meso-Americans).
One "hairy man" legend that came true was the African Mountain Gorilla which was discovered in the late 19th century. This is important because it shows that a formerly legendary man-like species of primate can exist and be discovered.
Eye witness accounts are tricky because there's no way to tell what are mis-identifications or hoaxes. (And as for mis-I.D. - there's only one animal that could be mistaken and that's a bear.) But of the hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses, they have included hundreds from reputable sources including doctors, scientists, teachers, game wardens, police officers, etc. - people who would get no benefit from the claim (but whose careers might suffer because of them).

I could go on and on with this subject!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TevnBtq57Zo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9YcIlkl_c

There were recorded Megalodons, they existed, but cant now due to lacking an adequate food source. If theres a Bigfoot, and its a plant eater, then thats no problem. Wouldnt seem likely something mammal bipedal plus supposedly so huge wouldnt eat meat. Maybe at one time they existed, maybe. There are many things throughout history from the land and sea extinct now.

Both videos could be costumed people. Especially the second one where as soon as the guy in the suit stands up, the camera holder goes all nuts running away, oh yeah thats surprising. :rolleyes: There could be someone in a costume staging appearances, where he knows he wont be caught. Maybe theres a club of pranksters that have existed for centuries?! Remember when people flattened designs in cornfields? That seems more likely. :)

[Captain Steel]

I can't argue with any points (well, I can, but...)

Allegedly Sasquatch are omnivores like us (and like chimpanzees, which we used to believe were vegetarians, but they will even resort to cannibalism - but for them that's more about territory & eliminating the competition than hunger). I never thought of this, but maybe there are no Sasquatch remains because they eat their dead? (Gross.)
Some claim that deer are a regular food source of Bigfoots, along with fish, insects, berries, roots, and the occasional lost dog. ;)

[TONGO]

I can't argue with any points (well, I can, but...)

Allegedly Sasquatch are omnivores like us (and like chimpanzees, which we used to believe were vegetarians, but they will even resort to cannibalism - but for them that's more about territory & eliminating the competition than hunger). I never thought of this, but maybe there are no Sasquatch remains because they eat their dead? (Gross.)
Some claim that deer are a regular food source of Bigfoots, along with fish, insects, berries, roots, and the occasional lost dog. ;)

Yeah, we have skeletal structures of the smallest and largest prehistoric creatures from the land and sea, but not one sasquatch skeleton, not one. Not ever!

"The occasional lost dog" lol! I can see the origins of that. Some mean hillbilly not liking his kids barking dog.

"Daddy, wheres my dog?!"

"Oh sorry son, but Bigfoot ran off with it."

An eyewitness account. ;)

[The Rodent]

There's a giant hexagon on Saturn too!
Some people think it is evidence of E.T. life (as only intelligence could form a geometric pattern).
It has since been explained as a natural cloud formation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn%27s_hexagon



Explain a snow flake to those people :D and wait for their head to explode.

[The Rodent]

I personally don't believe in god, but I don't really have anything against people that do. After all I've always thought the concept of God, Heaven, and religion itself was created by our early ancestors as a way for our highly intelligent species to cope with the fact we're all gonna inevitably die like any other organism.


God is a kid with an Ant Farm.

[The Rodent]

On the subject of Bigfoot... the Yeti mystery has been solved.


They're a hybrid Polar Bear.


See, many ages ago the entire Northern Hemisphere was covered in ice, but, the ice receded leaving us today with a small Ice Cap.
The problem was, is when the ice receded, it meant many animals died. And, in the Himalayans, some of those animals simply didn't die out because of the ice disappearing... the Himalayas are as cold today as they always were. So, when the ice melted, the mountains kinda became an island. The animals there, including an early Polar Bear, simply became stranded.


The proof? There was a program on TV and they were researching sightings and so on. And, during filming they got word of a sighting, and checked it out.
They found footprints and hair/fur samples on nearby trees.
On testing the samples, they discovered I belonged to a genus of bear never before seen. It contained DNA of early Polar Bears, and modern Black Bears.
They also did testing with bears by making them walk on sand and other materials that footprints can be left on. They found, that when a bear walks on all fours, their back feet land exactly in the same spot as the front... and it causes an odd looking footprint.
When compared to apparent Yeti and Bigfoot prints, they are exactly the same.


They're bears. Simple.

[Captain Steel]

Yeah, we have skeletal structures of the smallest and largest prehistoric creatures from the land and sea, but not one sasquatch skeleton, not one. Not ever!



Well, there is that Yeti skull or scalp in a monastery in Nepal...
And there was a hand, but Jimmy Stewart took it (strangely tying this thread back to movies!) ;)

Don't believe that last part?
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/saga-of-the-yeti-hand

[TONGO]

Well, there is that Yeti skull or scalp in a monastery in Nepal...
And there was a hand, but Jimmy Stewart took it (strangely tying this thread back to movies!) ;)

Don't believe that last part?
http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/saga-of-the-yeti-hand

:)

I think its cool to enjoy stuff like this, I dont believe in it personally.

Do you believe aliens kidnap people?

[The Rodent]

Here's one... how did Nicholas Cage ever get a job?
And, how the hell is he still working?

[Captain Steel]

I always have a problem with questions that begin "do you believe." My answer is usually "I don't know." Believing is different from knowing.
I believe a lot of things are possible. Aliens might kidnap people, but there is no evidence for it beyond testimonies.

Aliens may be so far away that none may ever get here before our species is long extinct. Space is so vast that without something like warp drive or maybe generational city ships that travel for thousands of years, the concept of interstellar travel is improbable. And for all we know, things like warp drive or traveling through wormholes may be beyond the laws of physics in this universe, making the act utterly impossible no matter how technologically advanced any species becomes.

Problem is, descriptions of alien abductions are usually remarkably similar to night terrors. For one, they almost always happen at night when a person is in bed. Victims usually describe sensing a presence but being unable to move. Biology has shown that "sleep paralysis" is universal - it's the mechanism that keeps us from physically acting out our dreams - it's a safety mechanism built into our brains.
Fortunately, most people don't awaken during sleep paralysis. (I have, and when you don't know what it is, it is terrifying.)
Scientific studies show that waking during sleep paralysis comes with the sensation that you are not alone, are being watched, are being touched, etc. Plus, the sensation may only involve partial consciousness where a person is not fully awake and still experiencing dreams while partially awake.

In short (HAH!) alien abduction carries all the hallmarks of classic nighttime, sleep & dream-related phenomenon that people have been experiencing forever.

[TONGO]

I always have a problem with questions that begin "do you believe." My answer is usually "I don't know." Believing is different from knowing.
I believe a lot of things are possible. Aliens might kidnap people, but there is no evidence for it beyond testimonies.

Aliens may be so far away that none may ever get here before our species is long extinct. Space is so vast that without something like warp drive or maybe generational city ships that travel for thousands of years, the concept of interstellar travel is improbable. And for all we know, things like warp drive or traveling through wormholes may be beyond the laws of physics in this universe, making the act utterly impossible no matter how technologically advanced any species becomes.

Problem is, descriptions of alien abductions are usually remarkably similar to night terrors. For one, they almost always happen at night when a person is in bed. Victims usually describe sensing a presence but being unable to move. Biology has shown that "sleep paralysis" is universal - it's the mechanism that keeps us from physically acting out our dreams - it's a safety mechanism built into our brains.
Fortunately, most people don't awaken during sleep paralysis. (I have, and when you don't know what it is, it is terrifying.)
Scientific studies show that waking during sleep paralysis comes with the sensation that you are not alone, are being watched, are being touched, etc. Plus, the sensation may only involve partial consciousness where a person is not fully awake and still experiencing dreams while partially awake.

In short (HAH!) alien abduction carries all the hallmarks of classic nighttime, sleep & dream-related phenomenon that people have been experiencing forever.

Whoa! :eek: Now thats some scary stuff right there. Ive never heard of this Sleep Paralysis. They should have a special of that on Animal Planet after Monsters Inside Me.

What if it was a ghost doing it, like in The Entity?! That would suck.

[mattmcelfresh]

I've had sleep paralysis problems for years. I've gotten the hang of being able to wiggle my toes or shake my leg to wake me up but when I couldn't it was a living hell.

[Captain Steel]

Whoa! :eek: Now thats some scary stuff right there. Ive never heard of this Sleep Paralysis. They should have a special of that on Animal Planet after Monsters Inside Me.

What if it was a ghost doing it, like in The Entity?! that would suck

Indeed. My first experience (& all subsequent ones) had the feeling that there was a presence in my room. I saw a show on this once that said when you start to wake up in this state, a part of your brain is stimulated that makes you feel you're not alone and you may even have tactile sensations of being touched, sat on, laid on, etc. (Being sat on is the classic night terror associated with the Succubus, and night terrors are not the same as nightmares.)

I'm not surprised I've experienced this since I have all sorts of sleep disorders - my brain may sometimes be out of sink with my sleep rhythms or something.

Now when it happens I have to tell myself not to panic as my conscious state begins to return, then start slowly trying to move a toe. Usually after being able to wiggle a toe I can then slide my leg forward and that usually ends the paralysis. This exercise seems to help me get conscious quicker which makes the creepy sensations go away faster and mobility return.

Since the paralysis is supposed to align with dream states, you may be in the middle of the dream as you begin to wake up - you may experience auditory hallucinations from the dream, then if you realize you can't move - you panic. I can easily see how this could lead people to believe they are being controlled by some alien force (then, say they fall back asleep and have a dream kicked off by their experience... well, who knows?)

One theory is that sleep walkers have an opposite experience, where their sleep paralysis is not kicking in as it should while they are dreaming, and thus they being to physically act out their dreams.

[mattmcelfresh]

I've also experienced lucid dreaming and it is truly a treat.

[Captain Steel]

I've had sleep paralysis problems for years. I've gotten the hang of being able to wiggle my toes or shake my leg to wake me up but when I couldn't it was a living hell.

LOL! Simultaneous post!
So you've experienced it too! And you use the same methods to snap out of it!

Was it not the most terrifying thing the first time you experienced it?

And even once it's happened a few times and you start to know what it is, it's still extremely scary.

[TONGO]

Indeed. My first experience (& all subsequent ones) had the feeling that there was a presence in my room. I saw a show on this once that said when you start to wake up in this state, a part of your brain is stimulated that makes you feel you're not alone and you may even have tactile sensations of being touched, sat on, laid on, etc. (Being sat on is the classic night terror associated with the Succubus, and night terrors are not the same as nightmares.)

I'm not surprised I've experienced this since I have all sorts of sleep disorders - my brain may sometimes be out of sink with my sleep rhythms or something.

Now when it happens I have to tell myself not to panic as my conscious state begins to return, then start slowly trying to move a toe. Usually after being able to wiggle a toe I can then slide my leg forward and that usually ends the paralysis. This exercise seems to help me get conscious quicker which makes the creepy sensations go away faster and mobility return.

Since the paralysis is supposed to align with dream states, you may be in the middle of the dream as you begin to wake up - you may experience auditory hallucinations from the dream, then if you realize you can't move - you panic. I can easily see how this could lead people to believe they are being controlled by some alien force (then, say they fall back asleep and have a dream kicked off by their experience... well, who knows?)

One theory is that sleep walkers have an opposite experience, where their sleep paralysis is not kicking in as it should while they are dreaming, and thus they being to physically act out their dreams.

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Im about to go to bed too. Very tired, oh thanks Steel! You could have said all this around 4:30 in the afternoon! :laugh: Aside from that this is fascinating stuff, your Bigfoot information was fun to watch/read too. :up:

[mattmcelfresh]

It truly was terrifying when it first started happening because I had no idea what was going on. And it was the worst when I'd be napping and it would happen multiple times in a row within a short time of waking and falling back asleep. For some odd reason the main cause for it happening to me is when I'm laying completely flat without a pillow.

[Captain Steel]

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Im about to go to bed too. Very tired, oh thanks Steel! You could have said all this around 4:30 in the afternoon! :laugh: Aside from that this is fascinating stuff, your Bigfoot information was fun to watch/read too. :up:

This could be valuable information. When it first happened to me I never heard of sleep paralysis and thought I was being abducted by aliens or paralyzed by evil entities. Needless to say, I was quite uneasy for some time afterwards.

So learning about it was a huge help in dealing with it when it happened again.
Hopefully if it ever happens to anyone reading this, instead of panicking they'll just remember "sleep paralysis" is a natural safety feature of my brain that protects me from hurting myself while I dream, I don't need to panic, just stay calm, breath deep and wiggle my toes!

Sweet dreams!

[TONGO]

I slept like a rock :)

The 9 Most Bone-Chilling Mysterious Phenomena That Still Remain Unexplained

http://canyouactually.com/the-9-most-bone-chilling-mysterious-phenomena-that-still-remain-unexplained/

9. The Enfield Poltergeist

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8. Toys ‘R’ Us in Sunnyvale

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7. Human Combustion

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6. The Cooper Falling Body

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5. The Moving Coffins of the Chase Family Vault

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4. Amityville Ghost Caught on Film

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3. The Baltic Sea Object

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2. The Ice Woman of Minnesota

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1. The Mystery of Elisa Lam

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[Captain Steel]

Oooh! I've studied the Elisa Lam case. I get queasy thinking about the people who drank the water.
Makes me think, if I ever travel to only drink bottled water.

[Camo]

The girls involved with the Enfield Poltergeist admitted it was a hoax. They then later said only some of it was a hoax and some of it was real. Credibility shot. If any of it was real you'd be scared out of your mind and wouldn't be thinking about having fun hoaxing stuff.

I've definitely seen the moving coffins explained as well. I really can't remember how now but it was something natural. Still creepy anyway.

Amityville and The Warrens in general are laughable; won't even go into that.

The only other one i've heard of is Elisa Lam which is admittedly nuts. So much is wrong with everything about it; the murder theories have as many holes in them as the suicide and accident ones do. And the elevator videos are terrifying.

I'm a pretty heavy skeptic so would be boring in this thread. I do love most of this stuff though whether i believe in it or not.

[TONGO]

I'm a pretty heavy skeptic so would be boring in this thread. I do love most of this stuff though whether i believe in it or not.

Actually Im the same. I think its fun to keep up on too.

I should check out The Exorcism of Emily Rose, I still havent seen it. Been wanting to, and think Ill make that my Halloween watch this year. :)

[Camo]

This thread on another site is amazing - http://forums2.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4602&start=1500

[Camo]

Actually Im the same. I think its fun to keep up on too.

I should check out The Exorcism of Emily Rose, I still havent seen it. Been wanting to, and think Ill make that my Halloween watch this year. :)

I really hate that film and what happened to that girl. Hope you enjoy it though.

[Captain Steel]

Absolutely True Story:

Back in the early 2000's I lived in a two-family dwelling, in a second floor apartment above my landlords and their kid who was about 3 or 4-years-old.
The house was 200 years old (with a newer partial addition connected to the downstairs portion) and had a history of creepy happenings relayed by people who'd stayed there.

It was a weekend morning, I was off from work and sleeping in. It was past dawn, but it was a dark day and very dark inside my bed room. I rolled over a couple times as I began to wake up, then got the strange sensation that I wasn't alone... that I was being watched. I rolled away from the wall my bed was up against so I was facing out toward the doorway.

That's when I froze as my wildest nightmares seemed manifest before my half-opened eyes. As I tried to blink to adjust my vision I could make out the silhouette of an upright-walking figure against the dim light coming through the doorway, and it was slowly approaching my bed. It was only 3 feet high with a large bulbous head. My eyes began to widen as my mind ranged between fear and utter disbelief, but I knew I wasn't dreaming. The figure stopped just a foot from my bed, I could feel it watching me, staring at me, and in the dreary gloom of the early morning it just appeared as a gray featureless being with only it's edges highlighted, giving it dimension!

to be continued...

[TONGO]

Absolutely True Story:

Back in the early 2000's I lived in a two-family dwelling, in a second floor apartment above my landlords and their kid who was about 3 or 4-years-old.
The house was 200 years old (with a newer partial addition connected to the downstairs portion) and had a history of creepy happenings relayed by people who'd stayed there.

It was a weekend morning, I was off from work and sleeping in. It was past dawn, but it was a dark day and very dark inside my bed room. I rolled over a couple times as I began to wake up, then got the strange sensation that I wasn't alone... that I was being watched. I rolled away from the wall my bed was up against so I was facing out toward the doorway.

That's when I froze as my wildest nightmares seemed manifest before my half-opened eyes. As I tried to blink to adjust my vision I could make out the silhouette of an upright-walking figure against the dim light coming through the doorway, and it was slowly approaching my bed. It was only 3 feet high with a large bulbous head. My eyes began to widen as my mind ranged between fear and utter disbelief, but I knew I wasn't dreaming. The figure stopped just a foot from my bed, I could feel it watching me, staring at me, and in the dreary gloom of the early morning it just appeared as a gray featureless being with only it's edges highlighted, giving it dimension!

to be continued...

3 foot tall?! Thats a brave little critter. Very curious to hear the rest of this. :)

Other than Amityville, and a couple others, I actually knew next to nothing on those 9 unexplained phenomena. Just finished watching the Elisa Lam video, very disturbing, but I dont think theres anything paranormal about it. More that she was stalked, killed, and someone dumped her body. I am surprised they havent found the killer though. Gonna peek at the rest of those too.

[Camo]

Take it to your "continue the story" thread ;)

I remember sending a very long detailed PM to a member here of 3 very creepy, unexplained things that happened to me about 2 years ago. (The PM was about 2 years ago). But i've deleted my PMs like 4 times since then and i can't be bothered re-typing them all.

[Camo]

but I dont think theres anything paranormal about it. More that she was stalked, killed, and someone dumped her body. I am surprised they havent found the killer though. Gonna peek at the rest of those too.

There's nothing paranormal about it and very few (in general compared to the amount that subscribe to one of the other sane theories) believe it is; about the same amount think Ray Gricar was abducted by aliens or whatever. I don't have a clue though; i've read quite a bit about it and i think the Murder, Suicide and Accident theories are all seriously flawed so i can't join any of them.

[Captain Steel]

Absolutely True Story: (continued... sorry, Camo)

"Sean?" I asked.
I could see the tiny figure's bulbous head moving up and down.
"What are you doing up here? How did you get in?" I asked.
"Can you come out and play?" was the response.

For you see, my downstairs neighbor's kid had gotten into my apartment. He just waltzed right in and decided to stand there and watch me sleep, with his 3-year-old brain not knowing what to do next.

I usually left the downstairs door unlocked because it was the only way to access the attic, so I'd leave it unlocked in case my neighbors needed to get up there - since they stored stuff up there. At the top of the stairs was the door to my apartment which I usually remembered to dead bolt at night - apparently the night before I forgot to lock it.

A few weeks earlier Sean had discovered my doorbell and found that when he pushed the button his "friend" would appear. I spoke to his parents about that, but then he started coming inside the stairwell to look for me. On this day he came up the stairs and apparently found my front door unlocked, and made a left into my bedroom.

What disturbed me most was that such a young child was leaving his dwelling unaccompanied without his parents' knowledge. At that time (I don't remember precisely) his mom was either pregnant or had just given birth to Sean's little brother. So his parents' attention was a bit distracted.

The moral of this story: most unexplained phenomenon DO have an explanation. ;)

[Captain Steel]

The other moral is: kids are scary (but brave little critters)!

[Camo]

Captain, you've got to get some sort of automatic locking system haha. All of your stories seem to have people just walking into your house.

There's definitely someone that lives in your walls and only comes out to watch you sleep at night.

[TONGO]

Absolutely True Story: (continued... sorry, Camo)

"Sean?" I asked.
I could see the tiny figure's bulbous head moving up and down.
"What are you doing up here? How did you get in?" I asked.
"Can you come out and play?" was the response.

For you see, my downstairs neighbor's kid had gotten into my apartment. He just waltzed right in and decided to stand there and watch me sleep, with his 3-year-old brain not knowing what to do next.

I usually left the downstairs door unlocked because it was the only way to access the attic, so I'd leave it unlocked in case my neighbors needed to get up there - since they stored stuff up there. At the top of the stairs was the door to my apartment which I usually remembered to dead bolt at night - apparently the night before I forgot to lock it.

A few weeks earlier Sean had discovered my doorbell and found that when he pushed the button his "friend" would appear. I spoke to his parents about that, but then he started coming inside the stairwell to look for me. On this day he came up the stairs and apparently found my front door unlocked, and made a left into my bedroom.

What disturbed me most was that such a young child was leaving his dwelling unaccompanied without his parents' knowledge. At that time (I don't remember precisely) his mom was either pregnant or had just given birth to Sean's little brother. So his parents' attention was a bit distracted.

The moral of this story: most unexplained phenomenon DO have an explanation. ;)
Ha! Nice! :up:

I found a vid on Sleep Disorders. It touches on stuff you talked about. The Night Terror footage is creepy because its real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1412135937&feature=iv&src_vid=ScHeaJE49FM&v=CkGUiq-7UUs

[Captain Steel]

Captain, you've got to get some sort of automatic locking system haha. All of your stories seem to have people just walking into your house.

There's definitely someone that lives in your walls and only comes out to watch you sleep at night.

On that note (this is also true) a neighbor of the little house I currently live in told me that a suicide took place inside the house - she said the guy slit his wrists and thrashed about in a frenzy before dying, splattering the walls with blood! She told me there was no way to paint over all the blood without it becoming visible under the paint, so they just sheet rocked the wall again with new sheet rock, and that the blood is still there on the original layer of sheet rock.
"That's why the wall between your living room and kitchen is so thick," she said once while inside, as she knocked on the wall to somehow demonstrate that it had an extra layer on it.

I have no idea if her story has any truth to it, but she sometimes said weird stuff. She told me her son tried to commit suicide too. She's since moved away - I'm glad.

[Camo]

I read the talk of sleep paralysis from a few pages back: i can completely back Captain up on everything he's said and i've also read up on it and have similar techniques to snap out of it.

The last time i had it was a few months back; i was half-aware this wasn't happening thus trying to snap myself out of it and half terrified because this was happening. That one was a big dog in my room barking very loudly of all things; i'm not scared of dogs in the slightest and i'm actually pretty great with them but the powerless feeling in what feels like an eternity is overwhelming.

[TONGO]

whoa!

The next time I have trouble getting to sleep, I wont feel so bad. Ive never heard of most of this stuff before.

My Dad was a sleepwalker. Problem with Dad is he was hairy as hell and slept in the nude. They kept the bedroom door locked thankfully. She said he'd sit up in bed, and point at the light seeping thru the curtains asking my Mom if she could see it. One time he woke up frantic looking for his gun, she said she talked him down.

[Captain Steel]

Yeah, guns in the house and sleepwalkers don't mix!

Another true story - I won't do a build up like last time and just cut to the chase - the culprit was a mouse!

I had this storage closet in the same bedroom from the last story. It was a weird little closet, more like a pantry with just shelves - very handy! (Again, this was an old house with a "history" - tales for the future).
One night I opened the closet door and medicine bottles literally began to fly off the shelf - like with force, as if being thrown at me! In my mind all I could think was, "It's finally happened - pure unadulterated poltergeist activity in front of my very eyes!"
Then this little brown fuzzy thing bolts off the shelf from behind my bottles. It jettisons about 3 feet across the room, lands and them bolts across the rug for the wall.

Apparently I startled him when I opened the door and he freaked in an all out rodent panic - causing the bottles to fly off the shelf.
I later caught him in a trap.

[Captain Steel]

Bumping this thread because I recently watched both versions of Poltergeist.

There's so many claims of paranormal phenomenon, but so little evidence.

And (this is much like the Bigfoot thing) nowadays there is so much technology that virtually everyone is a walking photographer or videographer. So, NOW, there should be tons more evidence of paranormal stuff caught on tape if such things actually occur. Right?

Unfortunately, it's also a double edge sword (as YouTube proves) where, with all the advanced technology, virtually anything can be faked on film as well.

[Camo]

Bumping this thread because I recently watched both versions of Poltergeist.

There's so many claims of paranormal phenomenon, but so little evidence.

And (this is much like the Bigfoot thing) nowadays there is so much technology that virtually everyone is a walking photographer or videographer. So, NOW, there should be tons more evidence of paranormal stuff caught on tape if such things actually occur. Right?

Unfortunately, it's also a double edge sword (as YouTube proves) where, with all the advanced technology, virtually anything can be faked on film as well.

Completely agree with you mate but as you know nothing you are saying is new here.

The funniest thing about this stuff is that my first experience with an internet forum was a photography one. I couldn't care less about photography, it's not something i'm interested in but my sister moved into her first house and quickly became convinced it was haunted because of a picture her friend took that i was convinced was her own shadow. Me and my friend (we were 14 at the time) stayed there over a weekend and had a great time without any problems but she was still terrified to return to her perfectly fine house, so i ended up visiting a photography forum and i learnt how to recreate that exact type of image which finally convinced her it was cool haha.

I still really love the Patterson-Gimlin story, i know it's fake but it is still awesome anyway. Same as those little girls in the 20s that duped Conan Doyle with their paper cutouts. Awesome.

[TONGO]

Bumping this thread because I recently watched both versions of Poltergeist.

There's so many claims of paranormal phenomenon, but so little evidence.

And (this is much like the Bigfoot thing) nowadays there is so much technology that virtually everyone is a walking photographer or videographer. So, NOW, there should be tons more evidence of paranormal stuff caught on tape if such things actually occur. Right?

Unfortunately, it's also a double edge sword (as YouTube proves) where, with all the advanced technology, virtually anything can be faked on film as well.

I completely agree. Do we know all there is to know? Nope, but we must sift thru the b.s.

I hate to say it, but I no longer believe in the Loch Ness Monster either. I mean, dayum. If anything exists in there by now theyd found something. Watch tomorrow something pop out of there all Cloverfield style! :nope:

Psychics. Sure there are some credible ones, but imo the strong majority arent really gifted, but book learned, or theyre ouright shams.

It makes you think, seeing ahead into the future I believe is possible, been done. Yet I dont believe in the big critters, yet seeing forward in time.....that would actually be more fantastic and significant?!

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/64935240.jpg

[TONGO]

I still really love the Patterson-Gimlin story, i know it's fake but it is still awesome anyway. Same as those little girls in the 20s that duped Conan Doyle with their paper cutouts. Awesome.
Im not familiar with Patterson-Gimlin but the girls playing with fairies are legendary. They really could have done the same thing with the famous Nessie photo, the grainy B&W. Those pranksters couldnt fathom theyd inspire the expenditure of millions upon millions of dollars researchers would spend, years spent, to find nothing. :facepalm:

[Captain Steel]

I still really love the Patterson-Gimlin story, i know it's fake but it is still awesome anyway. Same as those little girls in the 20s that duped Conan Doyle with their paper cutouts. Awesome.

What makes you say that, Camo?
If anything, as more time has gone on, more skeptics of the film who've analyzed it with modern techniques have actually changed their minds to say they believe it is now authentic.

As to the people who claimed they were in the "gorilla suit" ... 20 guys (or however many have made the claim) couldn't ALL have been in the suit. The fact that bunches of people come forward to say they wore a suit demonstrates that some of them were obviously lying since they couldn't all be the guy in the suit. So, if so many people are willing to lie, this suggests that it's possible that they could all be lying (for potential fame, claim, kicks, whatever).

[Swan]

Isn't "credible psychic" an oxymoron?

[Camo]

What makes you say that, Camo?
If anything, as more time has gone on, more skeptics of the film who've analyzed it with modern techniques have actually changed their minds to say they believe it is now authentic.

No they haven't. Not at all in the slightest. Have you seen the slowed down and ultra clear as possible versions of the film with the artificial boobs and diaper? Remember that noone has the original because Paterson destroyed it, which makes sense since he knew he was dying and this was clearly supposed to be a legacy thing that worked. Years before he knew he didn't have much time left, he had been drawing the exact sort of Bigfoot that he miraculously met the first time he ever tried to look for one. Lets ignore the guy who claims he made the suit who recreated one using cheap material that any costume shop would be using in the 60s and has receipts and other documents with Pattersons signature; not to mention Bob H who fills in the rest of the gaps and claims he was the one who wore the suit.

Agreed though, it was probably Bigfoot. It's pretty awesome that people who spend large chunks of their lives in the Pacific NW Wilderness never seem to find him but Patterson who had been drawing pictures of Bigfoot for years meets one on his only search for one. Must be spiritual or something :shrug:

[Captain Steel]

Thing is - in the past the claim was that all these hauntings, poltergeists & kinetic activity was taking place (since forever), but the problem was people just couldn't prove it. If only they could document it somehow and then show it to others.

But people couldn't afford to go out and buy expensive camera equipment, set it all up in their home, then have it turned on at the precise moment when paranormal activity occurred. But NOW millions of people have video cameras built right into their phones that they can activate immediately at the touch of a button.

Therefore - there should be tons and tons of documented proof of all this activity that has allegedly always taken place - but all we have are some YouTube videos of drawers being pulled open by fishing line!

[Swan]

Have you seen the slowed down and ultra clear as possible versions of the film with the artificial boobs and diaper?

WAIT WHAT

[Camo]

WAIT WHAT

That's what it looks like IMO. Try this one and see what you think. There's much closer and more in-depth videos but at some point you realize both sides are manipulating it, because both sides have to since the original was destroyed by the person who set out to find Bigfoot after drawing him for years and he found him a few hours in. The end, must be him/her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us6jo8bl2lk

[Camo]

Love how my post was a response to Captain when i absolutely agree with him about everything :up:

[Captain Steel]

What used to convince me the Patterson film was a guy in a suit was the bottoms of the feet.
But then I saw the bottom of a real gorilla's foot - it looks just like the sewn-in sole on a pair of footie pajamas! ;)

[Captain Steel]

Love how my post was a response to Captain when i absolutely agree with him about everything :up:

No, no, you are correct, Camo. I'm overall a skeptic for all this stuff, but I have a special fondness for Bigfoot legends, even though the same principles apply.


Things people have questioned about the Patterson film:
Why breasts? Who would think of that and why go to the extra trouble & expense to add them? Especially when no gorilla suit comes with them as standard equipment since they don't particularly stand out on other female primates.

The different sheen in the fur as the light hits it. This isn't achieved in costumes where the hair is usually all the same length, thickness & color throughout. Yet in the film, it looks very much like the natural variation seen on gorilla furs. And it varies - becoming much thinner in certain areas like it does on apes.

The arm to body ratio - sure, they could've built extensions into the arms and built mechanics to articulate the fingers - but would they really go to those lengths to pull a hoax in 1968 with a film shot from yards away?

The obvious flexing of musculature under the skin - another thing that cannot be achieved with a costume. In fact there's what appears to be an injured / herniated muscle that flexes in the right leg.

The head turn: With a costume, the head mask & body are separate pieces, yet this head and body seem to be a continuous structure that moves in natural ways - unlike a guy turning his head with a mask on.

There are more I've heard - but this is too long as it is!

[Camo]

Why breasts? Who would think of that and why go to the extra trouble & expense to add them?

Patterson would. His drawings were mostly of female bigfoots with visible breasts.

http://i63.tinypic.com/ndjtw7.jpg

For the rest i think you should read about Bob H and/or the claimed origins of the suit. Believe them or not it's up to you.

[Captain Steel]

I've read so much about this film and the people behind it that I can't remember it all.
I do admit that a lot of the info behind Patterson leading up to the film is pretty damning (or unbelievably coincidental).

And yet I've heard some professional film makers say that the number of happy accidents in this clip are unbelievable, because if you were trying to make a convincing looking, spontaneous, amateur film of an unknown primate you couldn't achieve this level of realism no matter how much planning or money you had to put into it.

[Camo]

And yet I've heard some professional film makers say that the number of happy accidents in this clip are unbelievable, because if you were trying to make a convincing looking, spontaneous, amateur film of an unknown primate you couldn't achieve this level of realism no matter how much planning or money you had to put into it.


Who said this? I trust some did but i'm just curious who it was?

All i've ever heard is that it was an easy suit to put together at normal costs it wasn't cheap but it also wasn't something really expensive like some claim, but it had problems like the turning of the shoulders, breasts and nappy that are all clearly visible to me in the video.

[Captain Steel]

Who said this? I trust some did but i'm just curious who it was?

All i've ever heard is that it was an easy suit to put together at normal costs it wasn't cheap but it also wasn't something really expensive like some claim, but it had problems like the turning of the shoulders, breasts and nappy that are all clearly visible to me in the video.

I've watched virtually every documentary, video or TV series episodes on the subject. (except for that dreck; "Finding Bigfoot"! :mad:)

So it was probably on one of those, but I don't have a name.

It may have been on an episode of Monster Quest - one of the better documentary shows that often featured Bigfoot and the Patterson film. I think they had an entire episode dedicated to analyzing the film with modern technologies and experts giving their (sometimes revised) opinions.

[Citizen Rules]

I use to watch Monster Quest, fun show... and Ancient Aliens too, you know the show with the hair guy.

[Captain Steel]

I use to watch Monster Quest, fun show... and Ancient Aliens too, you know the show with the hair guy.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/27/59/e0/2759e0bce41335282b094ba678ee3a45.jpg