Social Autopsy: Let's Talk About "Social Justice" [Archive]

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 02:39 PM

Anybody else hear about this? I think this is the horseshoe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) in motion, the crux of the regressive left taken beyond a misguided tolerance of intolerance and straight into the annals of stupidity.

This is the social justice movement in a nutshell: Identify a problem, then solve it in a manner that enables that problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hbRFj93IC0

Articles:
Social Autopsy: A Platform for Online Shaming and Mob Rule? (http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/social-autopsy-a-platform-for-online-shaming-and-mob-rule/638488)
'Lifting The Masks' on Social Media Accounts, Linking Users To Their Employers (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/04/14/be-careful-what-you-tweet-social-autopsy-project-lifting-the-masks-on-social-media-accounts-linking-users-to-their-employers/)

Videos:
Social Autopsy! Ending Anonymity Online (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SARo5HtjkQ)
Social Autopsy - A Doxing Service (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHfRvy0ot0)

Overcorrection is the keyword I keep hearing. It seems like well-meaning (frequently millennial) liberals get swept up in this idea of being part of a group, they subscribe to a single issue, missing the forest for the trees so to speak, and take such extreme and uncompromising stances against them that they pass beyond the event horizon of civil liberties. They begin generalizing, obfuscating the original point, and proceed to snowball with each personality they absorb while dragging others into the dirt in the name of "intersectionality".

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=26335&stc=1&d=1469380782

Really? Bernie Sanders recognizes speciesism? He must be vegan then, right?

Oh, I guess not. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/02/02/sorry-vegans-bernie-sanders-likes-eating-meat/)

:facepalm: Thanks Bernie. Hypocrisy is gonna go a long way towards solving those particular issues.

It's all getting... a little... old... [B]*sigh*

Sexy Celebrity

07-24-16, 03:06 PM

Social Autopsy (which appears to be an actual site getting started) should be illegal. It's no different than revenge porn.

banality

07-24-16, 03:08 PM

Social Autopsy (which appears to be an actual site getting started) should be illegal. It's no different than revenge porn.

Revenge porn is illegal?

And I think it's annals in this context.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 03:08 PM

Social Autopsy (which appears to be an actual site getting started) should be illegal. It's no different than revenge porn.
In a sense, yeah.

Sexy Celebrity

07-24-16, 03:08 PM

Revenge porn is illegal?

I'm not sure what its status is exactly now, but they were trying to make it illegal.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 03:22 PM

Revenge porn is illegal?
Not really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRa08yu_X48

And I think it's annals in this context.
Oops. Thanks.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 03:32 PM

My issue with revenge porn is that people seem to think it's unreasonable for the police to come back with "well, if you gave it to your boyfriend then it's technically a gift/why did you record yourself in the first place?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxde4l4g6-0

It's hard not to see this and think: don't trust douchebags.

Swan

07-24-16, 03:35 PM

[CENTER]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hbRFj93IC0

:facepalm:

banality

07-24-16, 03:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQuBdeuvMnY

Oops. Thanks.

I was being rhetorical but np dude

The Gunslinger45

07-24-16, 03:41 PM

Well this is not the least bit disturbing. I'm all for putting a-holes and trolls in their place, but this a little extreme.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 03:43 PM

You know, the phrase "the ability to privatize social profiles" seems like this person is new to the internet, like, she just got here and the only ****ing website she thinks exists is Facebook.

Movie Forums would blow her mind.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 03:49 PM

Well this is not the least bit disturbing. I'm all for putting a-holes and trolls in their place, but this a little extreme.
I thoroughly detest trolls myself, but something a lot of people fail to recognize is that the most emotionally unstable people who kill themselves over cyberbullying crap, and thus get held up as examples, are frequently arbiters of their own demise when they respond to criticism and random idiots with public antagonism and insecurity.

Suddenly, you got people who were targets before pissing somebody else off and then whose name winds up on the hitlist?

Topsy

07-24-16, 03:50 PM

My issue with revenge porn is that people seem to think it's unreasonable for the police to come back with "well, if you gave it to your boyfriend then it's technically a gift/why did you record yourself in the first place?"

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banality

07-24-16, 03:52 PM

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sexting is always a gamble

The Gunslinger45

07-24-16, 03:53 PM

This website and the articles are just vindicating me staying off social media. I get enough BS at work.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 03:57 PM

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Your two cents?

Topsy

07-24-16, 03:58 PM

the internet,which was a brilliant way for us to get smarter and more connected has insted made us dumber than belief and even more disconnected.
I dont have a problem with such a site in theory-the fact that you can write and behave any way you want without any consequenses is the reason why the internet is such a mess and why people are getting dumber by the minute- when you then have to take responsibilty for the things you do,maybe it will give people a kick up the ass and act their age.
the problem online is that there no higher boss of it all to sort things out,and thats been needed for quite a while now.
and the defense of revenge porn is beyond disgusting.

Topsy

07-24-16, 04:04 PM

Revenge porn is illegal?

And I think it's annals in this context.

I think thats something thats currently worked on in many countries.
There was a man who ran a site based solely on revenge porn who got jailed a few years a go in the us (? i think)
Its illegal here but i dont think you would get much time for it,given how little one gets (if any) for rape and similar sexual assaults/harassement.
2 of the women killed themself.

But its fairly new-in the sense that its a common phrase now so i hope the laws get stricter.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:07 PM

First off:
and the defense of revenge porn is beyond disgusting.
I'm not defending revenge porn, I'm criticizing people's reaction to it's absence as a law.

I'm generally annoyed by the prospect of people who think they can report death threats to the police. The police can't DO anything, you have a medium that virtually unites the best and worst people in the world so you have to get thicker skin to survive outside your "safe space" communities.

the internet,which was a brilliant way for us to get smarter and more connected has insted made us dumber than belief and even more disconnected.
I dont have a problem with such a site in theory-the fact that you can write and behave any way you want without any consequenses is the reason why the internet is such a mess and why people are getting dumber by the minute- when you then have to take responsibilty for the things you do,maybe it will give people a kick up the ass and act their age.
the problem online is that there no higher boss of it all to sort things out,and thats been needed for quite a while now.
Oh dear. Anyone else wanna take this?

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:09 PM

Its illegal here but i dont think you would get much time for it,given how little one gets (if any) for rape and similar sexual assaults/harassement.
2 of the women killed themself.

But its fairly new-in the sense that its a common phrase now so i hope the laws get stricter.
Considering you just implied that rape isn't adequately punished in your country, one would HOPE the government has better priorities than babysitting people on the internet.

Camo

07-24-16, 04:27 PM

Topsy

07-24-16, 04:29 PM

if people didnt act like morons they wouldnt have to.
also you have different emloyees for different things...

Topsy

07-24-16, 04:31 PM

I'm not defending revenge porn at all it is disgusting and i wouldn't care if people got prosecuted for it, but could this not be applied to people who send naked pics/videos too Topsy?

No by writing something online you have chosen to make it public,you know when youre writing somethings that over the line and if you choose to post it anyways then thats your choice.
-If you send one person a picture or video,thats for them only and they know that.thats why its a revenge
i get your point-but i dont agree with it :)

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:34 PM

Camo

07-24-16, 04:40 PM

Sexy Celebrity

07-24-16, 04:48 PM

No by writing something online you have chosen to make it public,you know when youre writing somethings that over the line and if you choose to post it anyways then thats your choice.
-If you send one person a picture or video,thats for them only and they know that.thats why its a revenge
i get your point-but i dont agree with it :)

You should be free to speak on the internet and not have your name, home address, phone number, and place of employment connected to it. This has been the whole problem with the internet in the past several years -- anonymity is being discouraged. Thanks to things like Facebook and Twitter, it's become standard to include your real name with everything. Facebook will punish you and deactivate your account if you use a fake name.

Not everybody wants to pose as their real identity online. The era of coming up with a fun nickname/screenname and saying what you want somewhere is being nixed. And now with this Social Autopsy thing, they wanna reveal even more. It's low class. It reeks of people just acting no better than the National Enquirer. Now instead of attacking celebrities and exposing them for everything they do, they do it with ordinary citizens, thanks to the internet.

Topsy

07-24-16, 04:52 PM

Sure,but i think its odd for people to take it so lightly and just say oh well they shouldnt have sendt,when its clearly something private and people know its going to ruin someones life (which is often why its posted aswell) surely we are better than that?
But aside from that aswell,revenge porn isnt nessecarrily pictures the victim has sent. its often referred to it as that,but alot of times they are photographed without knowing it or without agreeing to it.In numours cases they been forced to have their picture taken so the partner can hold it as leverage.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:52 PM

Now instead of attacking celebrities and exposing them for everything they do, they do it with ordinary citizens, thanks to the internet.
Internet drama.

MonnoM

07-24-16, 04:53 PM

Thoughts, Monnom?

We live in a time where harassment can come from someone across the pond, it not only affects you but everyone around you and those you're not even aware exist can make you a target. I'm not talking about someone saying something rude, I'm talking about someone posting personal information or worse, thus making it accessible to any idiot that wants to cause actual physical harm. That's a serious matter and should be taken as such. As I said it's a different age we live in and along with it comes a different (and much more aggressive) form of harassment. So other than it's an asinine comment from an apparent ignoramus, I have no thought on the matter. :D

Now don't mind me, I'll be on my way.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:54 PM

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:55 PM

We live in a time where harassment can come from someone across the pond, it not only affects you but everyone around you and those you're not even aware exist can make you a target. I'm not talking about someone saying something rude, I'm talking about someone posting personal information or worse, thus making it accessible to any idiot that wants to cause actual physical harm. That's a serious matter and should be taken as such. As I said it's a different age we live in and along with it comes a different (and much more aggressive) form of harassment. So other than it's an asinine comment from an apparent ignoramus, I have no thought on the matter. :D

Now don't mind me, I'll be on my way.
Fairly said.

banality

07-24-16, 04:56 PM

Internet is serious business

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 04:58 PM

Internet is serious business
*closes stock tracker* Whut?

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:00 PM

You should be free to speak on the internet and not have your name, home address, phone number, and place of employment connected to it. This has been the whole problem with the internet in the past several years -- anonymity is being discouraged. Thanks to things like Facebook and Twitter, it's become standard to include your real name with everything. Facebook will punish you and deactivate your account if you use a fake name.

Not everybody wants to pose as their real identity online. The era of coming up with a fun nickname/screenname and saying what you want somewhere is being nixed. And now with this Social Autopsy thing, they wanna reveal even more. It's low class. It reeks of people just acting no better than the National Enquirer. Now instead of attacking celebrities and exposing them for everything they do, they do it with ordinary citizens, thanks to the internet.

I only watched the youtube video posted,and i definitly see the problem with the site-which is why i said i like it "in theory".
I dont think the phone and adress should be added,but the name (which by default could give you access to the above)
Why should you be able to bully and hatespeach online though? why shouldnt you be held responsible for your own words?
There should be good reason as to why they are on the site though.

Camo

07-24-16, 05:03 PM

Sure,but i think its odd for people to take it so lightly and just say oh well they shouldnt have sendt

Well, i'm not taking it lightly and i've made that clear. And they shouldn't have sent it is a valid response even though again i totally agree it shouldn't happen but it does happen, rape or murder happens and we try to take precautions against that. Those aren't comparable in seriousness obviously but neither is the precautions you have to take, it really is as simple as don't send them.

when its clearly something private and people know its going to ruin someones life (which is often why its posted aswell) surely we are better than that?

Well we'd all like people to be above these sorts of things but fact is there is plenty who aren't which is why i wonder why take the risk?

But aside from that aswell,revenge porn isnt nessecarrily pictures the victim has sent. its often referred to it as that,but alot of times they are photographed without knowing it or without agreeing to it.In numours cases they been forced to have their picture taken so the partner can hold it as leverage.

Well that is just straight forward sexual assault by law. You obviously know what i was talking about so i don't know why you are moving the goalposts to this?

banality

07-24-16, 05:03 PM

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/06/images/20010619-1.jpg

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:03 PM

And that's scuzzy, we're agreed on that, but... let's back up a bit...

You're in favor of putting someone in charge of... the internet?

im saying no one is in charge of it or responsible for it,and thats why its such a mess.

Camo

07-24-16, 05:05 PM

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/06/images/20010619-1.jpg

It was Al Gore who invented the internet. Bush getting the blame for liberal mistakes again :p

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:13 PM

1.Well, i'm not taking it lightly and i've made that clear. And they shouldn't have sent it is a valid response even though again i totally agree it shouldn't happen but it does happen, rape or murder happens and we try to take precautions against that. Those aren't comparable in seriousness obviously but neither is the precautions you have to take, it really is as simple as don't send them.
Well we'd all like people to be above these sorts of things but fact is there is plenty who aren't which is why i wonder why take the risk?

2,Well that is just straight forward sexual assault by law. You obviously know what i was talking about so i don't know why you are moving the goalposts to this?

Its wasnt really aimed at you in the first line but the GP or those who dont see the harm in it.
I get that,but at the same time you cant do something because later on someone else is going to something bad,insted of holding the person who does something bad accountable. sorta like alcohol and rape.

2.Because that is revenge porn,its not all selfies.

I dont think sending nude pictures is a good idea so i see your point and i agree that its obviously safer not to send them in the first place. but i think people should be held to a higher standar than that,we know right from wrong-and the people who post them online knows its wrong.its sad if we live in a world where we have to live prepared for people to turn on us in the future.

banality

07-24-16, 05:14 PM

It was Al Gore who invented the internet. Bush getting the blame for liberal mistakes again :p

George Bush doesn't care about black people.

im saying no one is in charge of it or responsible for it,and thats why its such a mess.

I have decided in 2020, to run for president of the internet.

banality

07-24-16, 05:15 PM

I dont think sending nude pictures is a good idea

I think it's a great idea

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:16 PM

thats great,thats when Spears is presidents of the world ;)

banality

07-24-16, 05:17 PM

MAKE INTERNET GREAT AGAIN

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 05:18 PM

im saying no one is in charge of it or responsible for it,and thats why its such a mess.
You also said "there no higher boss of it all to sort things out,and thats been needed for quite a while now."

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 05:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:23 PM

yes?

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 05:25 PM

yes?
You would be in favor of a sort of "President of the Internet"?

Camo

07-24-16, 05:26 PM

Its wasnt really aimed at you in the first line but the GP or those who dont see the harm in it.
I get that,but at the same time you cant do something because later on someone else is going to something bad,insted of holding the person who does something bad accountable. sorta like alcohol and rape.

Well we don't really disagree here and we seem to be going around in circles anyway. What do you mean by alchohol and rape? Just wondering because you weren't really clear there.

2.Because that is revenge porn,its not all selfies.

I still find it pretty disingenuous that you turned it round to that at the end to strengthen your argument when you clearly knew what i was talking about. Also even if it isn't the official definition i think what most people refer to as revenge porn is pic/vids given with consent. Not consent to share them obviously.

.its sad if we live in a world where we have to live prepared for people to turn on us in the future.

I do agree with your general point but i still think that people shouldn't take these sort of risks without realizing that they may come with consequences.

banality

07-24-16, 05:26 PM

You would be in favor of a sort of "President of the Internet"?

banality 2020

Camo

07-24-16, 05:27 PM

You would be in favor of a sort of "President of the Internet"?

I nominate Ned Stark of MovieForums.

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:27 PM

its too widespread for anyone to be in charge of now.

matt72582

07-24-16, 05:30 PM

4/5 violent crimes are under the influence of alcohol

Camo

07-24-16, 05:31 PM

67% of all statistics are wrong. What's your point?

Topsy

07-24-16, 05:38 PM

Well we don't really disagree here and we seem to be going around in circles anyway. What do you mean by alchohol and rape? Just wondering because you weren't really clear there.

I still find it pretty disingenuous that you turned it round to that at the end to strengthen your argument when you clearly knew what i was talking about. Also even if it isn't the official definition i think what most people refer to as revenge porn is pic/vids given with consent. Not consent to share them obviously.

I do agree with your general point but i still think that people shouldn't take these sort of risks without realizing that they may come with consequences.

By alchol and rape i mean the common excuse that the girls/boys shouldnt have been drinking so much that they left themselfs vaunerable or enough to not know what they were doing.
sure they shouldnt have,could it all have been avoided? maybe so(and obviously in some cases no),but its still not them who did something wrong.

I said it because that is a part of revenge porn so if people are going to discuss wether or not its wrong,or who is responisble or wether or not its should be legal all sides must be included. the fact that alot of people think revenge porn is just selfies is scary.
yes we are going around in circles it seems ;)

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 05:47 PM

By alchol and rape i mean the common excuse that the girls/boys shouldnt have been drinking so much that they left themselfs vaunerable or enough to not know what they were doing.
sure they shouldnt have,could it all have been avoided? maybe so(and obviously in some cases no),but its still not them who did something wrong.
Presuming they consented to drinking enough alcohol to suspend their critical faculties, I completely disagree.

Camo

07-24-16, 05:47 PM

I said it because that is a part of revenge porn so if people are going to discuss wether or not its wrong,or who is responisble or wether or not its should be legal all sides must be included. the fact that alot of people think revenge porn is just selfies is scary.

Well i wasn't arguing for it to be legal and i made that clear multiple times. All i was saying that what is commonly referred to as revenge porn, people willingly sending pics/vids whatever to someone then that person posting them online, it was entirely clear from my wording and i still think you deliberately moved the goalposts to things that while they fit under revenge porn it is not what is commonly referred to, but whatever we mostly agree.

Camo

07-24-16, 05:51 PM

Presuming they consented to drinking enough alcohol to suspend their critical faculties, I completely disagree.

I think it is too complex of a thing to even begin to approach without focusing on specific cases.

Captain Steel

07-24-16, 05:53 PM

2 minutes before seeing this thread, someone asked me (in a derisive tone) why I'm not on Facebook (as if every individual has some sort of obligation to be.)
;)

Camo

07-24-16, 05:55 PM

2 minutes before seeing this thread, someone asked me (in a derisive tone) why I'm not on Facebook (as if every individual has some sort of obligation to be.)
;)

I'm not either mate :highfive:

Captain Steel

07-24-16, 05:59 PM

Worse yet is Twitter. I'm still trying to figure out why I'd want to follow the moment by moment running thoughts on the banal, vacuous, irrelevant minutia of several billion people's tedious daily lives when I've got my own moment by moment minutia and continuous inner monologue to deal with.

Omnizoa

07-24-16, 07:10 PM

someone asked me (in a derisive tone) why I'm not on Facebook (as if every individual has some sort of obligation to be.)
;)
That is 100% the whole reason why I vowed to never get a Facebook account.

"You got a Facebook or MySpace?"

*silently loathes the grammar of the question* "Are you on it?"

"Yes."

"Then no."

Worse yet is Twitter. I'm still trying to figure out why I'd want to follow the moment by moment running thoughts on the banal, vacuous, irrelevant minutia of several billion people's tedious daily lives when I've got my own moment by moment minutia and continuous inner monologue to deal with.
With Twitter I was just immediately put off by the character limit. If I'm gonna say anything worth saying I'm usually gonna take a couple paragraphs to say it.

The alternative is ****posting.

MonnoM

07-25-16, 01:27 AM

What happened to my post quoting banality? I'm on my profile and see posts disappearing that isn't my doing, ha. Context people!

Omnizoa

07-25-16, 08:40 AM

What happened to my post quoting banality? I'm on my profile and see posts disappearing that isn't my doing, ha. Context people!
O_o

Yoda

07-25-16, 09:00 AM

What happened to my post quoting banality? I'm on my profile and see posts disappearing that isn't my doing, ha. Context people!
I had to remove the post (rules about language apply to images just as much as text, obviously), so naturally this entailed removing your reply for continuity reasons.

banality

07-25-16, 09:05 AM

He just doesn't like Odd Future

Omnizoa

07-25-16, 09:10 AM

It was a bit much.

banality

07-25-16, 09:18 AM

Seems redundant to take it down.

Swan

07-25-16, 09:38 AM

I have decided in 2020, to run for president of the internet.

I'd vote for you.

Yoda

07-25-16, 10:30 AM

He just doesn't like Odd Future
They're okay. My sister likes them.

It was a bit much.
Yah.

Seems redundant to take it down.
Nah.

Gatsby

07-25-16, 10:45 AM

Stop oppressing banality, Yoda.

Yoda

07-25-16, 11:32 AM

The best part of that post is that it can be read as the dictionary word rather than the username and it makes even more sense.

Omnizoa

07-25-16, 12:12 PM

Let's get back on topic with a song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkXCsqJee0

MonnoM

07-25-16, 12:54 PM

I had to remove the post (rules about language apply to images just as much as text, obviously), so naturally this entailed removing your reply for continuity reasons.

I get it. But it's a bit odd to remove Omni's post just quoting my facepalm and asking me what I thought. Anyway, crisis averted. :D

banality

07-25-16, 01:26 PM

http://imgur.com/6hiITpH.png

The best part of that post is that it can be read as the dictionary word rather than the username and it makes even more sense.

that's why i did it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084628/quotes?item=qt1640957)

MonnoM

07-25-16, 01:33 PM

The best part of that post is that it can be read as the dictionary word rather than the username and it makes even more sense.

All too well unfortunately.

Yoda

07-25-16, 01:33 PM

http://imgur.com/6hiITpH.png
Close! I've made a couple of additional edits.

that's why i did it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084628/quotes?item=qt1640957)
I appreciate the self-awareness.

banality

07-25-16, 01:36 PM

http://imgur.com/6hiITpH.png

WHAT

Omnizoa

07-31-16, 06:34 PM

Thoughts?:

Talk to your child about stranger-danger: Not to scare, but to inform them.
Sure, not all men are paedophiles but offenders are predominantly male.

I don't want my kids sitting next to a man on a plane.

http://www.traveller.com.au/i-dont-want-my-kids-sitting-next-to-a-man-on-a-plane-375z6

My immediate thought is: If you fear for the safety of your child... why in the **** are you leaving them alone on an airplane to travel WAY BEYOND Mommy's safety bubble when apparently half the population is a sexual threat to them you stupid stupid stupid sexist.