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matt72582
04-20-16, 10:31 PM
Anyone watching? Anyone have a team in the playoffs or a preference?
My Detroit Pistons are finally in. They should have won Game 1, but are looking alright in Game 2, and play Games #3 and #4 in Detroit.
OKC-Dallas game was nuts!
Fabulous
04-20-16, 10:40 PM
Yeah, the Raptors. Too bad they're pretenders.
ursaguy
04-20-16, 11:09 PM
Spurs. One of the 3 teams that actually matters this year. NBA playoffs are cool when they get to the good games, but the Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs are going to win every game against the other teams either without tension or without trying.
Fabulous
04-20-16, 11:10 PM
Spurs. One of the 3 teams that actually matters this year. NBA playoffs are cool when they get to the good games, but the Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs are going to win every game against the other teams either without tension or without trying.
I'd like to see the Thunder win a championship. I'm a huge fan of KD & Westbrook.
mojofilter
04-20-16, 11:14 PM
Anyone watching? Anyone have a team in the playoffs or a preference?
My Detroit Pistons are finally in. They should have won Game 1, but are looking alright in Game 2, and play Games #3 and #4 in Detroit.
OKC-Dallas game was nuts!
I'm with the Pistons, too.
Too bad they've lost steam in the second half.
Celtics are who i'm supporting since they are my team*, i'm under no illusion of them winning the Eastern Conference never mind the title so i'm just enjoying them while i can.
I support the Thunder from the West really want Durant and Westbrook to get a title, still i'm definitely partially rooting for the Warriors to win the title to add to their season; going to be a bit 2007 Patriots if they don't.
*I've been asked multiple times if i became a fan of the Celtics simply because they had won the most titles and no i became a fan of them for even more shallow reasons haha. As a kid Allen Iverson dragged me into the sport during his peak with the 76ers but i never really liked the team much and seeing a team that used green and white with celtic in their name as a fan of Celtic FC (Soccer) that was enough for me to go for them it also helped that i quickly fell in love with Paul Pierce before we became championship winners/contenders.
matt72582
04-21-16, 07:43 AM
Too bad for the injuries. Boston has a good young team though, but Avery Bradley is a big piece. I like two-way players.
I'm rooting for the Spurs. They've been my 2nd favorite team for a while.
jiraffejustin
04-21-16, 10:48 PM
I'm an OKC fan, so that's who I am rooting for.
One of my best friends is a Celtics fan, so I usually keep an eye out for those guys. Isaiah Thomas is a blast to watch, so that's a plus.
Out of principle, I root against the Cavs and the Heat.
If OKC can't win the chip, I'd probably be rooting for the Spurs out of the West. I used to like the Warriors, but that was before they were a juggernaut. They can be fun to watch, but when a team passes up the Thunder, I tend to fall in hate with them.
Fabulous
04-22-16, 03:27 AM
Good win for the Raptors.
I root for whoever is playing the Cavs. I can't stand what's his name. And really, I don't think they look that together this year, but the East is pretty weak, so they very well might make it to the Finals again. The Hawks were a complete pushover in the playoffs last year, which didn't surprise me, so I'm hoping they're a little more mentally tough this year. I'd like to put some faith in Toronto, but it's a lot to ask of an organization to go from nothing to competing in the Finals in one large step, The Heat could very well end up in the mix, who knows.
I've really liked the Spurs for a long time, and would love to see them get another championship before Duncan retires. But I love this Warriors team too and would love to see them cap off this year with a championship, and if they're playing the Cavs, I'd really love for them to just crush them. They did tick me off with the way they went after 73 wins, and then look Curry gets hurt the first playoff game, which might not have happened if they'd rested him a little more. Maybe. I think ultimately this is their year.
matt72582
04-22-16, 08:07 PM
The Pistons-Cavs series has been great (unless you're a Pistons fan like me).. But to be realistic, I'm rooting for the Spurs. I love teams that play the right way. It's a very simple system. Team > Ego
I saw where the NBA said James Harden's game winner against the Warriors shouldn't have counted because he committed an offensive foul, and I cringed. I don't like Harden and I'm rooting for the Warriors to complete their dream season, so I wanted the Warriors to win the game, but I don't like the idea that the refs should be jumping in and deciding playoff games in the closing seconds. Obviously some fouls have to be called and you want possessions and all that to be right, but as much as you can argue it really was an offensive foul, I'm in the camp that says let them play when the game is on the line. And I think what really annoyed me is the NBA never admitted how they let Lebron get away one offensive foul after another in last year's Finals. Every single game on multiple occasions he either pushed the defender away with his off hand or lowered his shoulder into the chest of the defender to get space.
I know others think the game should be called the same no matter the situation, but I wonder if they really know what they're asking for. Some examples. A guy at work (and I know he's not alone on this) once told me Jordan should have been called for an offensive foul on his famous last shot with the Bulls. I think it's debatable how much of a "push" that really was, and the defender was beat, plain and simple. Now as huge fan of Jordan I might be biased, but then the year before I remember watching Reggie Miller run right through Jordan to receive the inbound pass and nail a three. I watched that live and as much as that shot was a killer, I thought even then that it was the right no-call, no matter how much it hurt. Then there was the Heat-Dallas Finals, the one before Lebron joined the team, and you had the refs bailing out an out-of-control Wade in the last couple seconds to send him to the line to win the game (I think it was game 3), and totally change the series. That's what you get when the refs step in and decide the game in the closing seconds, a game that feels rigged and unfair.
Sorry for the mini-rant, but it's a game where not all fouls are clear-cut and there's going to be contact, and at a certain point, especially in the playoffs, the game is much better when you let them play through the contact. I can't stand how whiny some fans are and I really can't stand how whiny some of the players are. And Lebron is a prime example, as he's become so self-entitled he now whines constantly. Just look at game 3 against Detroit, and even when his team was up ten points with 22 seconds left he was whining like a spoiled kid about a call. It drives me crazy.
cricket
04-23-16, 10:07 AM
I watched the Celtics game last night and it was painful. I just don't like watching anymore, too much 3 point shooting.
The great Bull's teams with Jordan would handle Golden State btw.
I watched the Celtics game last night and it was painful. I just don't like watching anymore, too much 3 point shooting.
The great Bull's teams with Jordan would handle Golden State btw.
I agree, Jordan and Pippen would make those shooters work like they never have before.
cricket
04-23-16, 10:29 AM
People mostly remember the Bulls because of the points that Jordan and Pippin would score, but what made them great was elite defenders at shooting guard and both forward positions. They were an absolute matchup nightmare.
People mostly remember the Bulls because of the points that Jordan and Pippin would score, but what made them great was elite defenders at shooting guard and both forward positions. They were an absolute matchup nightmare.
Absolutely, there defense was amazing. So smothering. I really believe the key to those teams was conditioning. They still had their legs in the 4th quarter. I can't count how many games I watched where they would go into the fourth with the score close to tied and Jordan with 15 points. They wore you down like no team I have ever watched.
Matt will probably get in here and remind me of those Piston teams, and he may have a case.
cricket
04-24-16, 09:26 AM
If I were still a betting man, I'd be hammering the Hawks today getting 2 points here in Boston. I hope I'm wrong.
matt72582
04-24-16, 09:56 AM
Warriors would be swept by the Bulls, Pistons, Lakers, Celtics.. Imagine if the Warriors had to play with the late 80's rules, instead of calling fouls every minute. GS is a great team because most of their rotation players made the All-Defense team - Draymond Green (runner-up to DPOY), Klay, Bogut, Iguodala... Their offense is great because they move the ball - their big man (Green) leads the team in assists, and #7 in the league overall. It also helps to have a coach with a winning mentality.
GS, SA, Cleveland I think are the three best teams in the league. I'm looking for a great 2nd round. I really hope my Pistons can win tonight; they've been competitive all game long, until the last few minutes, but that's what great teams do - play great for all 48 minutes.
Mandwa Mona Rudao
04-24-16, 03:28 PM
I hope Bronntown Cleaves have meltdown at some point with all those egos going at it in a fist fight. I would had rather changed teams than root for the returned LeBron.
The playoff just got interesting with Steph Curry out at least two weeks, and Chris Paul out for the season. I think the Warriors can make it to the Conference Finals without Curry, but they are going to need him against the Spurs. Most likely they will now have to face Portland the next round, and it won't be an easy series, but they can certainly do it. I think it's a real shame Curry is out, unless you've been rooting against them.
And in the East, you have to take notice of how the Pacers came alive the last game. If they can start stringing together games like that, they can become a very dangerous team. At least in the East. We'll see if that was more of a fluke or if they can emerge as a real playoff team.
cricket
04-26-16, 10:34 AM
If I were still a betting man, I'd be hammering the Hawks today getting 2 points here in Boston. I hope I'm wrong.
That's why I quit gambling!
matt72582
04-26-16, 11:03 AM
I hate injuries. They hurt the game so much. Especially having one of the game's best players out for the entire playoffs.
Fabulous
04-26-16, 12:27 PM
I'm glad the Thunder advanced. I'm also glad with how they spoke in the postgame press conference.
Fabulous
05-03-16, 08:26 PM
Happy to see the Thunder take a game in San Antonio. Is that their first home loss of the season?
Hopefully the Raptors show up this series. I wouldn't be surprised to see them get beat pretty easily.
matt72582
05-03-16, 08:51 PM
Happy to see the Thunder take a game in San Antonio. Is that their first home loss of the season?
Hopefully the Raptors show up this series. I wouldn't be surprised to see them get beat pretty easily.
Spurs did lose one regular season game, to GS, but half their players didn't play if I remember correctly. That was the strangest of sequences... The refs blew many, many plays, but like Ginobili said, they can't change the outcome of the game, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to form a complaint with the league offices.
I also think Toronto will lose.... I feel bad for the Clippers. I think they are a contending team - but when you lose your best player, second best player, it looked grim. They've had injury issues in the past too. I don't think they should break up the team, they just need a better bench.
I see the Cavs-Miami, which could be very interesting... And then what I've been wanting to see; Spurs-GS, hoping the Spurs win it all. If GS wins, I'll root for the Cavs. They've never won a title, and they lost Love in the 1st round, lose Kyrie in the 1st game of the Finals, and still had a great chance to win. Kerr putting in Iguodala changed the series, and he won MVP of the Finals.
Fabulous
05-03-16, 11:34 PM
Half-court shot from Lowry to send it to OT.
matt72582
05-03-16, 11:47 PM
When I saw it in the air I had a feeling it was going in. Wow...
Fabulous
05-04-16, 02:43 AM
All for nothing.
NedStark09
05-04-16, 03:21 AM
I pull for the heat or the thunder but its most likely gonna be cav s an warriors in the finals
Fabulous
05-07-16, 08:47 PM
Good win for the Raptors. I hope Valančiūnas isn't out for too long. He has played really well lately.
matt72582
05-08-16, 08:48 AM
Yeah good game. Whiteside is down, Valanciunas is down...
I just wish I would have seen a Clippers-Warriors matchup..
matt72582
05-09-16, 11:26 PM
Miami-Toronto game going to the wire! Toronto is up 2-1, Game 4 is in Miami, and the Raptors are up 2 with a few minutes left.
So dejected after the Blazer loss last night. No way they have a chance in the series now. It was a hell of a run for a team that was considered down and out before the season started. Terry Stotts should have been coach of the year.
matt72582
05-10-16, 04:17 PM
Terry Stotts did an amazing job... 5 starters (Afflalo) who left, and the other guys stepped up, so good on them. I stayed up real late, and it would have been great to tie up the series. The Miami game went to OT as well, but Game 5 is in Toronto. Part of me wants Toronto to win (for some reason, I see them as the underdog), and a part of me knows it would be interesting to see Lebron face his old team.
I'm still very upset the Clippers lost their two best players. They have had a contending team for years, and some thought after the so-called "Sterling Curse" would go away.
I'm rooting for the Spurs, that's also been a good series, with the exception of Game 1.
doubledenim
05-11-16, 12:04 AM
I don't know what is worse, OKC wins or Dwight Howard talking.
I don't know what is worse, OKC wins or Dwight Howard talking.
I hope OKC wins it all personally. Still i think this is Clevelands year.
doubledenim
05-11-16, 12:43 AM
It's hard for me to get a feel for Cleveland. They haven't had to play defense against anything close to a premier player.
....
Then again, Lebron almost singlehandedly beat the Dubs last year.
Fabulous
05-11-16, 05:40 AM
Great win for OKC. Now it's time for them to close this series at home. ;)
matt72582
05-11-16, 11:39 AM
I don't like making comments about the refs, but they've been screwing the Spurs.
Fabulous
05-12-16, 05:05 AM
Raptors-Heat will go to Game 7.
Got a feeling OKC - Spurs will too but i'm hoping the Thunder win game six.
matt72582
05-12-16, 07:53 AM
Got a feeling OKC - Spurs will too but i'm hoping the Thunder win game six.
Blazers put up a fight in every game.. Impressive.. I just laughed hearing Barkley say before a commercial break "They got the heart of ...Charles Manson" (after he said they shouldn't show the Blazers going fishin' since they were in every single game)..
I can't believe their best guys missed free throws.. But that's why they play the game - you gotta perform.
I think the Spurs will win tonight... I think Miami will win Game 6, and give us a couple of Game 7's on Saturday.
So glad the Thunder won. I want them to win it all but i'd just be happy with the winner of them and the Warriors winning. I really don't want Cleveland to but i've got a feeling this will be their year.
matt72582
05-13-16, 12:18 AM
Besides the Pistons, the Spurs have been my favorite team - I love the way they play, and I think Duncan is one of the best players ever, and the most classiest. I'm rooting for the Thunder to beat the Warriors though.
doubledenim
05-13-16, 12:23 AM
Crazy to see how Ibaka's role has changed.
Looking forward to a good series with OK and GS. The product in the playoffs has been bad. We all known the Eastern finals aren't going to be worth watching.
Fabulous
05-13-16, 12:32 AM
Happy for the Thunder. Should be an entertaining series with the Warriors.
NedStark09
05-13-16, 12:42 AM
Nope Warriors will Sweep the Thunder so bad that KD will be so pissed he will Leave too The Knicks with Carmelo or Go Too Miami with D Wade.
Nope Warriors will Sweep the Thunder so bad that KD will be so pissed he will Leave too The Knicks with Carmelo or Go Too Miami with D Wade.
If he leaves i doubt it will be for the Knicks or the Heat. Wasn't there rumours that he may join the Wizards?
NedStark09
05-13-16, 08:05 AM
According to Stephen a smith wizards would be last option even after O.k.c
doubledenim
05-13-16, 09:03 AM
He's gonna sign the 2 year/ option contract. This is a non-story for another year. Plus OKC just needs a Jamal Crawford type player, which the cap bump this year should help with.
matt72582
05-13-16, 01:35 PM
Klay Thompson will surely guard Westbrook (Curry always guards the worst player since he's the worst defender on the team) which will disrupt their offense. I think the Spurs would have been a real challenge, people forget they won 67 games, and many titles, but the dynasty might be coming to an end...
jiraffejustin
05-14-16, 11:20 AM
The Thunder CAN beat Golden State. I'm not saying they will, but they absolutely can and it wouldn't be a shock to me. The Westbrook/Waiters/Durant/Kanter/Adams lineup was pure domination against the Spurs. All year long, the Thunder should have been playing Kanter more often. Ibaka has had a down year, while Kanter dominates the glass every game he plays. Kyle Singler was listed as "injured" on ESPN, but he shouldn't have been in the rotation regardless. I think he has messed up the cohesiveness of the Thunder bench, and now that he is out the bench is clicking. I don't think he will be in the game when he gets "healthy." If Waiters plays the way he did in the Spurs series, and I don't mean just making shots, then the theory that OKC will get swept and KD will get pissed off and run to the Knicks (lol) probably won't happen. And Adams is a monster, so there's that.
jiraffejustin
05-14-16, 11:25 AM
If he leaves i doubt it will be for the Knicks or the Heat. Wasn't there rumours that he may join the Wizards?
There have been rumors that he would join every team that has ever existed, and that's all they are. We'll just have to wait until after the season before anything of any substance can be learned about where he wants to play for his next contract. Clearly his best chance at winning a title is in OKC though, so we'll see what happens.
jiraffejustin
05-14-16, 11:26 AM
Nope Warriors will Sweep the Thunder so bad that KD will be so pissed he will Leave too The Knicks with Carmelo or Go Too Miami with D Wade.
Why do you think the Warriors will sweep the Thunder so bad?
matt72582
05-15-16, 02:33 PM
Game 7 is coming soon between the Raptors and Heat... I have no idea who is going to win, but I would take the Heat +4.5. In gambling terms, it means they can lose by no more than 4 points, and who knows, they could win. They have experience, and it's hard to bet against Wade.
Excited about the WCF - I think the Thunder will steal home-court advantage (and then lose it).
I think the Raptors will win, not that excited though because i can't see either beating Cleveland anyway.
matt72582
05-15-16, 05:47 PM
I think the Raptors will win, not that excited though because i can't see either beating Cleveland anyway.
Cavs will win in 5 or 6 I think regardless of who they play. Part of me wants the Raptors to win, because it's Canada, and they already lost Vancouver, so they have a lot of weight.. It's also a great city, and it's very close to Michigan, so it's not an inconvenience for other teams to travel.
But Miami would be interesting - Lebron going back to his old team. Might be more challenging, as the Heat know Lebron well, and he makes that team run - he's the best player on Earth.
I'm also hoping and thinking the ECF will be on the off days - I hate late games, and it's not so fun DVR'ing them to wait til the next day to watch them, it's easy to find out who won on accident.
NedStark09
05-16-16, 03:52 AM
Warriors have owned the Thunder all year. I want too see KD with a Ring and Starting to be annoyed with Curry and is show boating after he wins every game. Curry is a shooter and pretty much anyone can sit back and fire threes. I have a sinking feeling Warriors will just dominate this series and be winded and will get there tales kicked by a pissed of King James in the finals.
matt72582
05-16-16, 11:09 AM
Did Durant and Westbrook play in all the games against the Warriors?
Mandwa Mona Rudao
05-16-16, 11:35 AM
According to Stephen a smith wizards would be last option even after O.k.c
Why should he of all people be taken seriously?
Fabulous
05-17-16, 01:08 AM
Thunder take the first game. Wasn't expecting that.
jiraffejustin
05-17-16, 01:34 AM
So much for that sweep. :)
matt72582
05-17-16, 08:22 AM
I knew they'd steal one... Gosh, Durant plays SOOOO soft.. Russell might be reckless, but he's tough and he's got heart. Durant kept bricking quick shots.. GS got a lot of lucky bounces, Thunder played a bad game, still won.
I knew they'd steal one... Gosh, Durant plays SOOOO soft.. Russell might be reckless, but he's tough and he's got heart. Durant kept bricking quick shots.. GS got a lot of lucky bounces, Thunder played a bad game, still won.
What is your definition of soft? Durant and Westbrook were the only two guys to show up in the Finals against Miami those years ago, and Durant averaged almost 31 points a game on better than 50% shooting. That's not my definition of "soft."
And from what I saw of the game, GS didn't play that great. They didn't have their normal focus. They'd build a lead and then get way too cute with their passing and had too many turnovers. Curry didn't play well and I saw Green trying to play a mid-range game like he was Westbrook or something.
This series does have the feel of one that could get a bit chippy as it goes along. I'm rooting for the Warriors so they can complete their amazing season, but I certainly don't dislike OKC.
TheUsualSuspect
05-17-16, 08:46 AM
Being from the Toronto area, I'm obviously pulling for the severe underdog here.
So much for that sweep. :)
:highfive::cool:
Kind of conflicted on this series. OKC are my favourite west coast team, the only team i likedbetter are the Celtics but i kind of want the Warriors to complete the greatest season and i also think Cleveland would have a better chance against OKC.
matt72582
05-17-16, 09:50 AM
What is your definition of soft? Durant and Westbrook were the only two guys to show up in the Finals against Miami those years ago, and Durant averaged almost 31 points a game on better than 50% shooting. That's not my definition of "soft."
And from what I saw of the game, GS didn't play that great. They didn't have their normal focus. They'd build a lead and then get way too cute with their passing and had too many turnovers. Curry didn't play well and I saw Green trying to play a mid-range game like he was Westbrook or something.
This series does have the feel of one that could get a bit chippy as it goes along. I'm rooting for the Warriors so they can complete their amazing season, but I certainly don't dislike OKC.
Durant doesn't play defense - he doesn't even touch the guy he's guarding. He kept shooting quick perimeter shot, even though he's about 7 feet tall, has arms that make him even harder to stop, but he just jacks up shots. Why can't he go into the post? You can have a guy like Russell, a point guard, who'll drive to the hole with power, and if he doesn't score, he at least forces the defense to work, drawing fouls.
jiraffejustin
05-17-16, 10:54 AM
:rolleyes:
Fabulous
05-18-16, 12:57 AM
Being from the Toronto area, I'm obviously pulling for the severe underdog here.
I'm in the same boat as you. However, I expect nothing less than a Cavs sweep.
doubledenim
05-18-16, 02:59 AM
How about Mutombo calling the 76ers #1 pick a couple hours before it happened?
matt72582
05-18-16, 07:57 AM
If the Thunder win tonight, it could mean trouble. But the Cavs will win easily.
Fabulous
05-20-16, 12:50 AM
Raptors will get swept. I was surprised they even made it this far, so it's to be expected.
Fabulous
05-22-16, 12:24 AM
Raptors take the win after an awful night for Love and Irving.
jiraffejustin
05-22-16, 11:29 PM
Golden State was down 41 points at one point tonight. That probably makes Kevin Durant want to leave Oklahoma City.
Golden State was down 41 points at one point tonight. That probably makes Kevin Durant want to leave Oklahoma City.
I'm not even going to lie i thought Ned's comment about them being sweeped was a strong possibility. So happy at how this is going.
jiraffejustin
05-22-16, 11:48 PM
I'm not even going to lie i thought Ned's comment about them being sweeped was a strong possibility. So happy at how this is going.
A possibility, but never a strong possibility. I think y'all forget OKC has Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. :D
A possibility, but never a strong possibility. I think y'all forget OKC has Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. :D
If i forgot that then i wouldn't give a crap about them ;)
Especially Westbrook, think he is my favourite active player, it was Durant at one point as well.
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cricket
05-23-16, 12:09 AM
That probably makes Kevin Durant want to leave Oklahoma City.
We'll take him in Boston.
NedStark09
05-23-16, 12:11 AM
I like being wrong sometimes but Still Think Curry will face lebron again. But I hope its to be given a royal beating.
Fabulous
05-23-16, 12:13 AM
Big win for the Thunder. Game 4 will be crucial.
I like being wrong sometimes but Still Think Curry will face lebron again. But I hope its to be given a royal beating.
Seriously hope the Cav's don't win, and that isn't just an anti-lebron thing. I just really dislike that team and the way they play. I don't like Lebron so admittedly i was mostly against the Heat but Dwayne Wade is one of my favourite players so there was something there at least, i just really don't like anyone in the Cavs though, my favourite is probably Tristan Thompson.
I'm just shocked at how poorly the Warriors played. Just no focus. Every bad tendency they have was on full display, and they didn't get away with any of them, the cute passes, the quick shots, the thought they can just outgun everybody. When you're missing layups and simple put-backs, you're simply not focused. It's like they thought the Thunder would be too afraid to show up. No energy, no focus. It was like the fourth quarter of game one for an entire game. And Green needs to be slapped hard. But I've found this is the one team you can never count out, so we'll just have to see about game four. At the very least they should be more motivated, and it's hard to imagine Curry playing this badly two games in a row.
matt72582
05-23-16, 06:55 PM
I'm rooting for the underdog (OKC) but I think the Warriors will win it, but that's why they play. I thought the Spurs would beat OKC too.
NedStark09
05-23-16, 07:57 PM
What About This Crotch Kick and Stephen A Smith Said he didnt plan too. What weed is that guy on or maybe First Take his drinks were not allowing him to see clearly.
Im Sorry for The Warriors but Green so did kick him and I think His but should sit 2 Games. This would send a message too all players in play offs you get the hammer too.
matt72582
05-23-16, 08:38 PM
What About This Crotch Kick and Stephen A Smith Said he didnt plan too. What weed is that guy on or maybe First Take his drinks were not allowing him to see clearly.
Im Sorry for The Warriors but Green so did kick him and I think His but should sit 2 Games. This would send a message too all players in play offs you get the hammer too.
Maybe that's why they have opaque cups to drink from? I can't tell if he kicked him on purpose. He acts like a jerk, and sometimes that factors in, but the league doesn't like to suspend players in the playoffs I'm guessing (remember Phoenix had multiple players suspended.. what was the other team?)
TheUsualSuspect
05-23-16, 10:23 PM
I'm happy the Raptors won at least one game.
jiraffejustin
05-23-16, 11:11 PM
Big win for the Thunder. Game 4 will be crucial.
I agree. I think whoever wins game 4 will win the series.
jiraffejustin
05-23-16, 11:16 PM
If Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook attack the rim the way they did in game 3, it doesn't matter how good Golden State plays. Kaplan mentioned how it looked as if Golden State looked as though they were not focused, but the opposite is true for the Thunder. Especially Kevin. Kevin was more keyed in during that game than any game I've seen him play all year long. His free throw attempts have dropped this season, but when Kevin and Russell both take ten plus free throws, it's hard for them to lose. It puts the other team in foul trouble, and they won't defend the rim as hard as they usually would. More easy buckets, more foul shots, more pressure on the run and shoot Warriors.
Fabulous
05-24-16, 02:09 AM
I'm quite surprised that the Raptors have managed to tie the series.
NedStark09
05-24-16, 03:17 AM
Wouldn't it be weird irony if raptors and okc knock off Cavs and Warriors. When every expert had Warriors winning two titles.
Fabulous
05-24-16, 03:19 AM
Wouldn't it be weird irony if raptors and okc knock off Cavs and Warriors. When every expert had Warriors winning two titles.
I would certainly enjoy that!
What About This Crotch Kick and Stephen A Smith Said he didnt plan too. What weed is that guy on or maybe First Take his drinks were not allowing him to see clearly.
Im Sorry for The Warriors but Green so did kick him and I think His but should sit 2 Games. This would send a message too all players in play offs you get the hammer too.
What message would you be sending, that the league is even more wimpy than anyone even imagined? In the old days there were times when punches were thrown and no one was ejected, fined, or suspended. Parish karate chopped Lambier in the face and stayed in the game. I mean, sure, times change, and he really should have been ejected, I guess, but let's not get overly dramatic here. What you're suggesting is basically handing the whole series to the Thunder. And I know I'd get the message loud and clear, to just stop watching basketball altogether.
NedStark09
05-24-16, 07:07 AM
Its about selfish big baby players. In any era you should not be alloys to low blow a person. Also I'm sorry but the warriors can't win one game without green. Then the warriors best record means zero.
Its about selfish big baby players. In any era you should not be alloys to low blow a person. Also I'm sorry but the warriors can't win one game without green. Then the warriors best record means zero.
Selfish big baby players? You're talking nonsense. And in a close battle, losing any key player could make the whole difference. Could. Take out Ibaka and maybe that's enough for the Warriors to win the next two games. This is a battle, and I want to see it played out without the league going all hysterical because Green got carried away in trying to sell a foul.
matt72582
05-24-16, 11:47 AM
I've been a lifelong Pistons fan (since 1988) and it's a pretty wimpy league - trying to get the most points as possible. I'd love anyone try to stop Isiah without handchecking, which was still impossible.
I think the Cavs will win, I would be beyond shocked.... If the Thunder play good defense and NOT rely on perimeter jump shots, take care of the ball, rebound, they could win, but I have a feeling the Warriors will win.
So glad the Raptors won, i thought at most they'd get one win. Still expect the Cavs to win sadly.
NedStark09
05-24-16, 04:30 PM
If Lebron gets beat by the Raptors it could be said could lebron have won his two rings on his own or was D Wade why he is a two time champ.
matt72582
05-24-16, 04:46 PM
I think Lebron has done more with less than any other player... I'm not a fan of his personally, and I didn't like him much especially in the early part of his career, but the guy is one of the greatest players ever. Wade is also a great player though. If the Raptors win it would be an amazing accomplishment. I was hoping Toronto would get out of the first, being the only pro NBA team in Canada, especially considering none of their hockey teams made it to the NHL playoffs. I was always hoping they'd get a draft pick in the past, a #1 or someone who would attract free agents as it is a great city, and it's very close to all the rivals in the Central Division.
I wish Seattle gets a team, but I think there are enough teams, don't need more expansion. It wouldn't be totally crazy if OKC were to sell to a Seattle-based owner, it's a great city from what I hear, and they were always amazing fans.
NedStark09
05-24-16, 04:55 PM
Only reason i fallow OKC was because they were once the Seattle Super Sonics. The Bulls and Sonics had some very good games during Jordans second 3 pet run.
Fabulous
05-25-16, 02:43 AM
Things look pretty good for the Thunder, but I won't count GS out. I think they'll come out flying next game.
NedStark09
05-25-16, 04:41 AM
They are not gonna beat The Thunder 3 Games In A Row.
I guess the league should have suspended Green, because he was a complete disaster for the Warriors tonight. With him out the Warriors went on a run to end the first quarter, so of course Kerr puts him back in to start the 2nd. Go figure. Maybe this is the Thunder's year. I'd stopped paying attention to them after their loss in the Finals as they seemed to be in turmoil, with injuries and what seemed to me to be an ineffectual management and an inability to surround their two stars with the right players, but I guess they really have turned things around.
But I really did want to see the Warriors repeat as champions. Unless they can pull off a major run, they'll have nothing to show for this year except a meaningless and painful regular season record, which in all likelihood will never be broken. I knew they shouldn't have chased it.
matt72582
05-25-16, 10:20 AM
I guess the league should have suspended Green, because he was a complete disaster for the Warriors tonight.
LOL... I also think that Curry last year was lucky that EVERY single point guard he faced in the playoffs was out. He can't defend worth a crap, and Westbrook has been guarding him. Klay is always great. Not only is he one of the best shooters, but he always guards the best perimeter player, and is one of the best at it. I think OKC's defense should be credited - Roberson and Adams have been great. Forget the stats - setting picks, hustle, defense, boxing out, cutting to the basket. I would have bet on GS.
It's still not over, but OKC probably won't lose 3 games in a row. GS also has the next and last game at home. Either way, I think it'll be exciting, but two blowouts two games in a row is pretty bad.
Curry just isn't a physical defender, but to say he can't guard worth the crap isn't quite fair. It's not like he's James Harden or something. He does what he can and he makes plays.
matt72582
05-25-16, 06:16 PM
Curry just isn't a physical defender, but to say he can't guard worth the crap isn't quite fair. It's not like he's James Harden or something. He does what he can and he makes plays.
Harden is real awful... About Curry, getting beat off the dribble is one thing, but he doesn't seem to understand the guy he's guarding - knowing to go over or under the screen. In a pick and roll, Curry should let Westbrook take a 3 since it's his biggest offensive weakness (and could help stagnate their usual not-so-great offense) instead of letting him go to the hole and score... You're right, he's not a physical defender, and Klay usually takes the better guard, but it's putting a lot of pressure on other players, especially with so many great point guards in the league. Curry also leaves his man to try to intercept passes way too much, which causes his teammates to leave their man, etc..
The great thing with the Warriors is that most of their players are some of the best defenders in the league.. Draymond was runner-up for DPOY.. Klay Thompson is one of the best defenders, Iguodala also made the All-Defense team, I think Bogut made 1st team All-D.. Harrison Barnes is a very solid 2-way player, Ezeli is a great defender, Livingston as well, and he's very long.
Look back at every team that won the championship - if they weren't the very best defensive team, they were #2 or #3..
Fabulous
05-25-16, 10:46 PM
Raptors getting bludgeoned at the half.
mojofilter
05-25-16, 11:00 PM
It's obvious by now the championship game will be between the Cavaliers and the Thunder.
The Cavaliers wins it in 6
matt72582
05-26-16, 07:43 AM
I also think the Cavs would beat OKC -- I think the Finals are going to be great... But we'll see what happens tonight; I can't wait for the game.
matt72582
05-27-16, 08:56 AM
If OKC loses tomorrow, their season will probably be over...
Fabulous
05-27-16, 02:08 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure why people began to count GS out after Game 4.
matt72582
05-27-16, 03:32 PM
I can never count champions out. I still think GS has a great chance to win it all.
Fabulous
05-28-16, 01:04 AM
Raptors get crushed again and are eliminated. I guess I'll be rooting for OKC now.
matt72582
05-28-16, 08:26 AM
I went to bed before the game finished. I thought I DVR'd it, luckily it was a blowout.... Tonight's game is going to be the most exciting of the year. Whoever wins tonight I think will go to the Finals.
This is what OKC gets for dissing Curry as a defender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UW1bn4iFko
At this point I don't care about anything but the Western Conference champions crushing the [bleeping] Cavs. I already don't like anything Cleveland, as someone born in Cincinnati, and my disdain for the egomaniac at the center of that team grows every year he gets yet another walk into the Finals.
https://twitter.com/MarlowNYC/status/736414130882547713
Fabulous
05-28-16, 09:55 PM
Let's see if OKC can finish GS off. You have to like their chances at home.
matt72582
05-28-16, 11:59 PM
What a game!
Very fun. Never thought I would enjoy a team that plays the way GS does.
matt72582
05-29-16, 12:34 AM
Thunder hasn't learned how to play like a team yet...
Kind of, their offense has never had any imagination though. They have two great scorers and a big tough front line.
Fabulous
05-29-16, 12:45 AM
Series over, Warriors will advance to the finals. OKC won't win a championship.
matt72582
05-29-16, 12:46 AM
OKC choked.. I learned in 4th grade basketball hero-ball might win you a game, but not a championship.
Damn Warriors. Yeah, i can't see OKC making it now unless Curry or Clay or Green or something somehow got injured, and even then i'd still bet on the Warriors. Still it may be for the best because i think the Cavs would have a better shot against OKC than the Warriors. And at least the perfect season is still on.
matt72582
05-29-16, 08:54 AM
Either way, there'd be two new coaches to be in the Finals (Lue and Donovan) or a rematch of last year, with a healthy Cavs team that I think could win.
NedStark09
05-30-16, 01:59 AM
What's worse a sweep or having a 3_1 lead and choking losing 3 games.
matt72582
05-30-16, 09:03 AM
the latter..
It's not though is it? I don't care if you call it chocking winning 3 games > winning 0 games. I mean the Thunder should be proud of themselves even if they go out, they won a third of the games the Warriors lost in 82 regular season games and beat the Spurs.
jiraffejustin
05-30-16, 03:27 PM
KD was awful in game 6.
A sweep is clearly worse. duh. Don't reach.
The Thunder can still win, but I don't think they will.
Klay Thompson was a monster in game 6. He's the reason they won, even with KD playing awfully Golden State wouldn't have won without Klay Thompson making shots nobody should even be taking.
matt72582
05-30-16, 06:32 PM
Klay is also a great defender, and always has to guard Curry's man for him.. He even beat Curry in the 3pt contest, and has been averaging more points this entire playoffs.. Draymond Green led the Warriors in assists this year.
I'll say it again.. Curry is overrated, and all the other guys are underrated. But everything is determined by stats, and usually by those who have never played the game. The last two commissioners didn't even play high school ball.
Klay is a terrible defender. Longer than Curry, that's about it. The Warriors don't play good basketball, doesn't matter when you shoot 80% from everywhere though.
matt72582
05-30-16, 09:03 PM
You've gotta be kidding me.. Klay is one of the best defenders in the league.
Actually, most of the team are great or at least good defenders.. They have a versatile big man (and runner-up DPOY) who you can run your offense through, and guys who can shoot lights out.
You've gotta be kidding me.. Klay is one of the best defenders in the league.
Actually, most of the team are great or at least good defenders.. They have a versatile big man (and runner-up DPOY) who you can run your offense through, and guys who can shoot lights out.
I will fully admit I don't watch as much basketball as I used to. I have seen a lot of GS playoff ball the last two years though. If he is considered one of the best in the league, defense is more dead than I thought. Green isn't great either but he is at least high energy. I just like that 90's style, I'm talking like an old man. They don't play ball the way I like to see it played. I admit they are entertaining as hell though.
matt72582
05-30-16, 09:23 PM
I love the late 80's the best - physical basketball... Bad Boys were (and are) my team. I don't like run and gun much; I like fundamental old-school basketball. Draymond leads his team in assists! He also sets one of the best screens (which is how they get open 3's). If Kahwi Leonard wasn't in the league (2nd best player after Lebron), Green would have won Defensive Player of the Year, came in 2nd.. He can rebound, he does everything, and he adds a toughness the team doesn't have. I don't like him, but I didn't like Lebron much, but he's the best. I'd put Anthony Davis at #3.
Also consider Klay has to guard Westbrook a ton, and after Durant and Westbrook laughed at Curry's defense, Curry did admit that Klay has to guard the best player, because he's a better defender. Curry doesn't use his feet on defense as much as he should, and reaches in a lot, and then loses his man, causing the rest of his team to scramble.. The new stats would blame someone else, since Curry wouldn't be scored on. But he's in a perfect team, they compliment him.. Also consider the high and low screens Curry gets, where Klay and the others don't have the first option on offense, but still do well.
Btw, I don't think a lot of the people at the games even watch!! I'm watching the screen, and like usual, they're always staring at their phones.
Curry doesn't move his feet at all and is absolutely horrendous defensively, your 100% dead on. That doesn't make Klay good. Speaking of screens, watch Klay try and work through them tonight and get back to me about his defense. ;)
Matt is right. Klay is a good defender in today's game, maybe he wouldn't have stacked up in the 80's or the 90's but he is now. And Green is one of the best defenders in the league.
My problem with the way they play is the same problem I have with corners in the NFL. Everything is going after steals, so they get beat too much for my taste. I like guys that play physical defense and make you work. Pays off later too because it wears the offensive player down.
doubledenim
05-31-16, 12:26 AM
Can somebody knock that mouthpiece outta Curry's mouth?
Rough off-season for KD. :(
jiraffejustin
05-31-16, 12:30 AM
Never thought I'd see myself rooting for Cleveland, but I always seem to fall in hate with the teams that beat the teams I root for. So I guess, for the first time, I am rooting for LeBron James.
doubledenim
05-31-16, 12:52 AM
How great it must be watching sports on the west coast. I would love to leave a game @ 8:30 with the sun still up.
NedStark09
05-31-16, 12:59 AM
Here Is my take on this Loss KD needs a new home cause KD was like Lebron first tour in Cleveland. Kevin needs too go too a team where he can score 40 points and the rest of his team can finish for him. I know he only scored 27 points tonight. KD needs a new place or he will never get a ring and thats not because he is a bad player. If anything KD is the best shooter in the game. Id like too see KD with the Spurs or Or with The Celtics.
mojofilter
05-31-16, 01:02 AM
Warriors are amazing. They deserve to win the championship again this year.
It's gonna be a great rematch between the Cavs and the Warriors
Fabulous
05-31-16, 02:52 AM
Two teams I hate. I wish they both lose.
doubledenim
05-31-16, 03:07 AM
OKC needs a real point guard. Westbrook is a great player, but he needs to be the 2 .
doubledenim
05-31-16, 03:11 AM
I'm going to say this in hopes of jinxing myself and being wrong.
I can't see the Land putting up a better fight than OKC. No way it goes 7. Golden State Winnas.
OKC needs a real point guard. Westbrook is a great player, but he needs to be the 2 .
That's the league today. More and more point guards play like that. There's nothing wrong with him. There's really nothing fundamentally wrong with OKC, though I wonder if better coaching could help them. They really ought to look at the Lebron formula, which worked in Miami and now in Cleveland, which is to surround the core group of stars with a bunch of role-players who can shoot. OKC is a better team now than when they went to the Finals. No matter how much hate and negativity the Warriors get, they are a juggernaut of a team.
matt72582
05-31-16, 08:48 AM
OKC didn't play the way they got them success. I can't wait til Thursday.. REMATCH!
doubledenim
05-31-16, 09:22 AM
OKC needs a real point guard. Westbrook is a great player, but he needs to be the 2 .
That's the league today. More and more point guards play like that. There's nothing wrong with him.
I can't agree with that whole statement. He IS a top five player, but I think he is a main component of their well-documented 4th quarter issues this year.
They need someone to run the offense and let him concentrate on scoring. Remember when they had Harden?
Harden was a third option. They need that third scoring option. I like their front line but they are no help scoring the ball down the stretch. Somebody mentioned the Heat, and that's how the old Bulls teams were built too. Two main scorers but they had two or three other guys to put on the court that could knock down shots at the end of quarters. OKC needs that desperately.
That said I have never seen a team shoot like Golden State, they are beatable because you can score on them. However, when you have two guys who can hit from anywhere on the court, and another three very good scorers, tough to beat. I don't love everything about thst team but they are special.
doubledenim
05-31-16, 12:22 PM
Harden was the third option, but he assumed the ball handling responbilities a majority of time.
Westbrook (in light of all his greatness) makes too many mistakes for a point.
Harden was the third option, but he assumed the ball handling responbilities a majority of time.
Westbrook (in light of all his greatness) makes too many mistakes for a point.
Is that true? We are a few years removed but he was a six man.
doubledenim
05-31-16, 12:59 PM
Memory serves that Beardie handled the ball a majority of the time all 3 were on the court.
matt72582
05-31-16, 01:32 PM
What do you guys think about Cavs-Warriors rematch? I think the Warriors will repeat. The OKC series was great preparation.
If I was gambling I would bet your way. I want Lebron to get another and in Cle to boot. I'm hoping healthy Kyrie can help him get there.
cricket
05-31-16, 03:29 PM
The Warriors are in trouble this series. I think the Cavs win fairly comfortably.
doubledenim
05-31-16, 03:45 PM
The local sharp has weighed in. :D
NedStark09
05-31-16, 03:48 PM
Curry best watch that little cocky swag in lebron s house. I don't like lebron but if he plays angry no team can stop lebron if his team is healthy.
Thank god Lebron doesn't have any cocky swag
matt72582
05-31-16, 04:37 PM
The Cavs didn't have Irving or Love and were up 2-1, but Lebron is the best player in basketball, so anything is possible. He plays the right way, he makes all his teammates better.
I'm not a Lebron fan, but the Cavs have never won a title, and I hate when injuries affect a series, I'm glad Game 1 is on Thursday.
I'm going to guess 4-3 Warriors with Klay as Finals MVP.
Mandwa Mona Rudao
05-31-16, 07:25 PM
The Warriors are in trouble this series. I think the Cavs win fairly comfortably.
Why, they find their 3 point magic again?.
NedStark09
05-31-16, 07:52 PM
Does anyone else feel sorry for Durant. One minute the basket ball experts are saying he was a man on a mission. Thats what Stephen A Smith said e also hailed him as on another level. But then Stephen A turns on him and says its 10 years and no ring and he is on this opinion that maybe Durants needs too figure out his play off problems. Durants problem is if he and westbrooke dont score 40 from Durant and 30 from Westbrooke they get blown off the floor because other players dont generate enough points if they have a bad night. And yes even Jordan and Kobie had bad shooting nights. KD has to leave OKC because its the Sonics Play off curse.
matt72582
05-31-16, 09:07 PM
I don't feel sorry for him. He gets paid multi-millions even if he loses. I also think he's soft, usually chokes in the clutch, doesn't even play in the post, doesn't drive to the hole enough, doesn't draw enough fouls, doesn't play good defense, sticks to perimeter shots, and when it came to one of the most important games of his life, he shoots 28% while taking way too many shots, and turns the ball over so much, which is odd, since he's not a point guard. I feel he's been overrated..
Who I think are the best players
1. Lebron James
2. Kahwi Leonard
3. Anthony Davis
4. Chris Paul
5. Klay Thompson
NedStark09
06-01-16, 01:15 AM
Im glad you didnt put Curry on here. I always felt Clay was the glue too the Warriors togethers
Here is the real best NBA Top Players
1 Lebron James
2 Kwai Lenard
3 Dwayne Wade. As Long As He Is Playing . He is King.
4 Damian Lillard.
5 Gregg Harden
6 Kevin Durant- Lets be clear On Something KD Is not Lebron going too the hole is not his style.
Mandwa Mona Rudao
06-01-16, 07:08 AM
Does anyone else feel sorry for Durant. One minute the basket ball experts are saying he was a man on a mission. Thats what Stephen A Smith said e also hailed him as on another level. But then Stephen A turns on him and says its 10 years and no ring and he is on this opinion that maybe Durants needs too figure out his play off problems. Durants problem is if he and westbrooke dont score 40 from Durant and 30 from Westbrooke they get blown off the floor because other players dont generate enough points if they have a bad night. And yes even Jordan and Kobie had bad shooting nights. KD has to leave OKC because its the Sonics Play off curse.
He is in the West and winning a championship is hard. That's mroe than enough explanation.
That top six is horrendous, Ned. Greg Harden :laugh:
Im glad you didnt put Curry on here. I always felt Clay was the glue too the Warriors togethers
Here is the real best NBA Top Players
1 Lebron James
2 Kwai Lenard
3 Dwayne Wade. As Long As He Is Playing . He is King.
4 Damian Lillard.
5 Gregg Harden
6 Kevin Durant- Lets be clear On Something KD Is not Lebron going too the hole is not his style.
1 Jordan
2 Johnson
3 LeBron
4 Chamberlain
5 Russell
Years ago I liked Bball, though I can take or leave it.
All time?
01.Jordan
02.Wilt
03,Kareem
04.Russell
05.Magic
06.Duncan
07.Bird
08.Lebron
09.Shaq
10.Hakeem
In my opinion. I find it hard to rank active players and the big three centers are interchangeable. Lebron will finish as a top five even though i hate him.
matt72582
06-01-16, 09:24 AM
I'd have to rank them by decade, and I won't pick the 70's since I wasn't around..
1980s
PG- Isiah Thomas
SG- Michael Jordan
SF- Scottie Pippen
PF- Kevin McHale
C- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
In my opinion. I find it hard to rank active players and the big three centers are interchangeable. Lebron will finish as a top five even though i hate him.
You never liked the Trainwreck Film? :p
I'd have to rank them by decade, and I won't pick the 70's since I wasn't around..
1980s
PG- Isiah Thomas
SG- Michael Jordan
SF- Scottie Pippen
PF- Kevin McHale
C- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Are those your favourites? Because c'mon Pippen over Bird at SF in the 80's? I love Isiah and you could make an argument for him i suppose, but no way was Magic not the best PG of the 80's.
You never liked the Trainwreck Film? :p
Not seen it haha.
Struuck
06-01-16, 10:11 AM
I was so dissapointed in the raptors..
matt72582
06-01-16, 10:18 AM
Are those your favourites? Because c'mon Pippen over Bird at SF in the 80's? I love Isiah and you could make an argument for him i suppose, but no way was Magic not the best PG of the 80's.
No, the best. Magic couldn't defend anyone, neither could Bird. Magic couldn't shoot worth a crap either. I don't like Pippen at all, but he was the best SF, he could do anything, was always a top defender.
1990s
PG - Gary Payton
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Scottie Pippen (could have been Grant Hill, injuries)
PF - Karl Malone (though Duncan is the best, he was drafted in 96)
C - Hakeem Olajawon
You're nuts. Pippen was the best SF in the 80's?? The 1980's, when he played 2 or 3 seasons and never even averaged 15 ppg or 4 apg?? There's not even a point in getting into Magic, because you obviously have a bias towards Isiah. Which is fine, and again i suppose an argument can be made for him.
You're 90's one i'd mostly agree with.
though Duncan is the best, he was drafted in 96
97.
matt72582
06-01-16, 12:21 PM
You're nuts. Pippen was the best SF in the 80's?? The 1980's, when he played 2 or 3 seasons and never even averaged 15 ppg or 4 apg?? There's not even a point in getting into Magic, because you obviously have a bias towards Isiah. Which is fine, and again i suppose an argument can be made for him.
You're 90's one i'd mostly agree with.
I watched the games, no way Magic was the best point guard. If you can't play defense, you're a liability.. Pippen didn't play all of the 80's, but stats are just stats. Maybe Dominique.
2000s
Jason Kidd
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Nobody had court vision like Magic. Nobody made other players better like Magic. You're going to call Magic out aboit his defense after singing the praises of Klay Thompson a couple days ago. I would have liked to see Isiah or Klay play D as a 5 in game 7 of the playoffs. Isiah was great, Magic is all time one of the few best players ever. It's not even close.
matt72582
06-01-16, 12:35 PM
He had great court vision, no doubt about it. Being 6'9", he could see the floor so much easier. Besides my Pistons, Magic was my favorite player, but I want to be objective.
I hate to use this argument, but anyone will tell you Klay Thompson is one of the best defenders in the game.
You are exaggerating. He wasn't great on defence, but he wasn't bad either not sure how it has morphed into this in everyones minds. You are also outright dismissing the fact that he is possibly the greatest on offence of all time, you are acting like every player needs to be A+ on defence and offence to be great. Fact is Magic did more than any other PG during the 80's, same with Bird at SF.
I mean what about Bill Russell was he not great because he wasn't great on offence despite being possibly the greatest defender of all time? Or was his stellar defence all the team really needed from him?
He had great court vision, no doubt about it. Being 6'9", he could see the floor so much easier. Besides my Pistons, Magic was my favorite player, but I want to be objective.
I hate to use this argument, but anyone will tell you Klay Thompson is one of the best defenders in the game.
I watched Klay so close the other night after our discussion. He never ever makes the offensive player work, never gets up on a guy physically at all. I understand he wants his legs for the end of a game but damn. He also never attempts to work through screens. I guess he is guessing the offensive player is going to come off screen everytime, but again very little effort. He is long and fills passing lanes nicely, that's about it. I am not going to argue with the teams success but we are calling this guy one of the best defenders in the league. That's a stretch even by today's standards. Magic would be Bruce Bowen if he played for the Warriors.
matt72582
06-01-16, 05:29 PM
The Lakers had a team full of Hall of Famers, Bob McAdoo came off the bench! Let's not forget Kareem has one more ring than Magic, has the most points in NBA history, and a shot that was unguardable.
To use your grades, if you have a guy who is an A- on offense, and an A- on defense, it's better than a guy who is an A on offense, and a C on defense. It's also hard for Klay to guard the best perimeter player every single night. The guy saved their season, he set a record for 11 3-pters, which people don't mention. I have a feeling if Curry did it, it would have been advertised more. I try not to get confused between marketing and the game itself.
I've played basketball my entire life, and you can tell without stats who brings what. But it's a team game. There's also individual defense, and team defense; knowing whether or not to go under the screen, or over. Also, it's a tactic at times to let a guy get past you because Ezeli is waiting to block a shot, or Draymond to take a charge.
Bill Russell averaged double-figures, a ton of rebounds, and when he got blocked a shot, he didn't throw it in the stands, instead it led to a fast-break.
It's almost impossible to compare eras - I think the best thing would be to have a "commentary" during the game so we'd all be on the same page. Of course I won't do it live, but I honestly wouldn't mind recording it, and going play by play this Finals. As I said before, a lot of the best players in each decade were guys I didn't like.
I've played basketball my entire life, and you can tell without stats who brings what. But it's a team game. There's also individual defense, and team defense; knowing whether or not to go under the screen, or over. Also, it's a tactic at times to let a guy get past you because Ezeli is waiting to block a shot, or Draymond to take a charge..
If you have played basketball your whole life you know that this terrible reasoning. The more your defense has to rotate, the more good offenses will swing the ball for open shots. I'm not saying working through every single screen is imperative but never doing it sure as hell is detrimental. I think I will probably miss game 1 but let me know how often Klay makes his man work on offense. If I start seeing him do it, I will come in here and eat crow. Promise.
matt72582
06-01-16, 06:34 PM
Because they have great help defense, they are encouraged to get up on a defender very closely, but no one in the league, not even Kahwi Leonard could stop Westbrook, but they have good trust, and is a good strategy.. The 2004 Pistons did this all the time with Ben Wallace waiting.
Klay is going to have to defend Lebron, so this will be exciting to see if he can slow him down. Curry is the #1 option, but the offense goes through Draymond, but I still think Klay will help his team a lot on both ends.. He leads his team in scoring for the entire playoffs.
Btw, they replay the Finals games on NBATV (maybe on ABC too?) which is free now. Also, if anyone else DVR's, I can wait to talk about the game. If you don't have cable, you can always find a streaming game.
Because they have great help defense, they are encouraged to get up on a defender very closely, but no one in the league, not even Kahwi Leonard could stop Westbrook, but they have good trust, and is a good strategy.. The 2004 Pistons did this all the time with Ben Wallace waiting.
Klay is going to have to defend Lebron, so this will be exciting to see if he can slow him down. Curry is the #1 option, but the offense goes through Draymond, but I still think Klay will help his team a lot on both ends.. He leads his team in scoring for the entire playoffs.
Btw, they replay the Finals games on NBATV (maybe on ABC too?) which is free now. Also, if anyone else DVR's, I can wait to talk about the game. If you don't have cable, you can always find a streaming game.
I know we are starting to beat a dead horse and probably won't end up agreeing, one more question though. You no longer seem to be disagreeing with me that Klay allows his offensive player to the interior. Would agree that considering someone who plays this style defense to be the second best 2 on defense in the league is silly?
matt72582
06-01-16, 07:03 PM
I'm not saying he intentionally allowed Westbrook to get into the paint, but the greatest defensive player couldn't stop him. They have good team defense, Warriors communicate well, switch pretty quickly, so I think they pressure more than most teams in the half-court.
Kahwi Leonard, who I think is the best defensive player, couldn't stop him from going to the paint. Russ has size, speed, and is like a train (sometimes reckless)... Sometimes a guy gets beat, happens all the time, but I saw at least 20 Warriors games, and he usually stays in front of a guy. I haven't bothered to look at new defensive stats because they don't factor in the other guys who are also playing. Sometimes a guy can play good defense and get scored on. Some guys play bad defense, give up an open shot, and the offensive player misses. Again, I don't like using awards, etc., but he didn't make the All-Defense team for nothing.
I'm not saying he intentionally allowed Westbrook to get into the paint, but the greatest defensive player couldn't stop him. They have good team defense, Warriors communicate well, switch pretty quickly, so I think they pressure more than most teams in the half-court.
Kahwi Leonard, who I think is the best defensive player, couldn't stop him from going to the paint. Russ has size, speed, and is like a train (sometimes reckless)... Sometimes a guy gets beat, happens all the time, but I saw at least 20 Warriors games, and he usually stays in front of a guy. I haven't bothered to look at new defensive stats because they don't factor in the other guys who are also playing. Sometimes a guy can play good defense and get scored on. Some guys play bad defense, give up an open shot, and the offensive player misses. Again, I don't like using awards, etc., but he didn't make the All-Defense team for nothing.
I wasn't going to bring up the best defensive player in the game, but compare how Leonard guards him to the way Thompson does. No one can stop a good offensive player 100% of the time in the NBA, these guys are way too good. Leonard makes him work though. I have never seen much defensive effort from Thompson, and until I do I don't care how many steals he gets. They play the way they play and it is working, but of the main guys Green is the only one putting in good effort on the defensive end. That's why so many of their games are 110-100.
Anyway hope for more good discussion during the Finals. My sports watching has really gone down the last few years but there is still nothing like playoff sports in the big three. I enjoy seeing some talk about it.
I'd have to rank them by decade, and I won't pick the 70's since I wasn't around..
1980s
PG- Isiah Thomas
SG- Michael Jordan
SF- Scottie Pippen
PF- Kevin McHale
C- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
I do agree with MJ, Kareem, and McHale, but claiming Pippen was the best small forward of the 80s is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I do find all the "experts" in this thread sort of amusing.
matt72582
06-02-16, 11:37 PM
Warriors Curry and Klay shooting 4-17, yet they are still up by 9..
Mandwa Mona Rudao
06-03-16, 03:20 PM
Warriors won. I cannot watch these games after what they allowed Dray to get away with. I wanted to see Bron destroyed so bad, but it just feels fake.
doubledenim
06-06-16, 08:01 AM
Looks like everybody will have to wait until Thursday for that taco.
NedStark09
06-06-16, 07:35 PM
How Crappy is this it that The OKC and The Warriors were better games then the finals.
Mandwa Mona Rudao
06-07-16, 02:07 AM
How Crappy is this it that The OKC and The Warriors were better games then the finals.
People love to watcdh Bron lose, it's not that bad.
matt72582
06-07-16, 08:45 AM
I'm hoping the Cavs can win at home and make this a better series.
I think they will. I'm still expecting them to win two games.
matt72582
06-07-16, 10:29 PM
Cavs should sit Love out - they played much better last Finals without him, and in the playoffs when he was on the bench in the 4th quarter, playing Channing Frye... They could use Mosgov, who was really good last year's Finals.
NedStark09
06-07-16, 10:32 PM
People love to watcdh Bron lose, it's not that bad.
This Makes D Wade allot more underrated in there wins with lebron as a heat player.
matt72582
06-08-16, 12:54 PM
Wade is better than Irving... Bosh is better than Love.. I think they should try to get Chris Paul and a big man who can play defense. Lebron is at his peak, so he needs to win soon for Cleveland before it's too late.
NedStark09
06-08-16, 03:20 PM
Lebron i garantee you would ditch cleveland for Lakers, because he can mold a team being a good passer. 2 Heat is not far out of a playoff thing. But Riley holds a grudge. I can see him getting Durant before a Lebron. But I can see lebron leaving for Clippers too or Knicks as well.
Fabulous
06-08-16, 03:48 PM
What do you guys think, any chance Cleveland will bounce back?
matt72582
06-08-16, 04:04 PM
I think it's very possible.. If they win both games at home, they might have some momentum. I predict if Love doesn't play tonight, the Cavs will win. When he got injured last year in the 1st round, the Cavs were playing great, especially their defense, which is a must during the playoffs.
NedStark09
06-09-16, 05:21 AM
If Lebron and Irving Keep Scpring 30 point cames and JR and Thompson score in the teens this team can beat any team four games in a row but Think Warriors win in 6 games.
matt72582
06-09-16, 09:02 AM
After I heard Love was out, I knew they'd win big. They are able to play defense.
NedStark09
06-09-16, 05:01 PM
How is love was such a good score machine when he played for Timerwolvesbut in cleveland he is no where near the same player.
matt72582
06-09-16, 06:03 PM
Yeah, his teams never won a thing.
matt72582
06-13-16, 02:05 PM
Draymond Green has been suspended for Game 5, but I still think GS has a great chance of winning it all tonight. Many times when a guy is down, the rest pick up the slack against adversity.
matt72582
06-16-16, 09:47 PM
Any predictions for tonight's game?
NedStark09
06-17-16, 01:43 AM
Just Imagine if Green Would have been suspended in game 5 against OKC . I think OKC could have beaten The Cavs soundly. Now James will win and Kerr will be exposed as a lucky coach.
Fabulous
06-17-16, 03:06 AM
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I want the Cavaliers to win the championship.
Fabulous
06-17-16, 03:08 AM
Just Imagine if Green Would have been suspended in game 5 against OKC . I think OKC could have beaten The Cavs soundly. Now James will win and Kerr will be exposed as a lucky coach.
His suspension would've only been one game, right? It doesn't matter though, since OKC won the game he would've been suspended for. He was playing so bad that it was actually better he ended up playing.
matt72582
06-17-16, 08:55 AM
I want Cleveland to win because they are the underdog, and because they've never won the title.
Kerr is a great coach though.
Mandwa Mona Rudao
06-17-16, 10:19 AM
I want Cleveland to win because they are the underdog, and because they've never won the title.
Kerr is a great coach though.
If there would be a way for the Cavs to win without leBron i could root for them.
rauldc14
06-17-16, 10:20 AM
Warriors by 20.
doubledenim
06-17-16, 10:59 AM
Chances that Lebron leaves if he puts a ring on it?
Mandwa Mona Rudao
06-17-16, 06:14 PM
Chances that Lebron leaves if he puts a ring on it?
High, almost certain.. All that loyalty talk from him is BS.
NedStark09
06-17-16, 11:23 PM
If he gets a ring by himself without D Wade it will be huge for Lebron . I however have a feeling that Warriors will win because the league wont want the Warriors to cry and pout all next year. Warriors are the most rude team i have ever seen . They like to swag and rub it in when they are beating a team and win they lose its the bad call of the ref is against us. BTW OKC lost game 5 if Green would have been suspended OKC would have likely won because he is the cog that makes that team go even if he is a low blow cheater.
Warriors will win because the league wont want the Warriors to cry and pout all next year.
Nice way to expose your ridiculously stupid and biased nature. You will surely stop there, but wait...
Warriors are the most rude team i have ever seen . They like to swag and rub it in when they are beating a team and win they lose its the bad call of the ref is against us.
At this point you aren't being funny anymore but ridiculous and i think there is about a half dozen statements you have to back up starting here. - http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1533654#post1533654
rauldc14
06-17-16, 11:37 PM
All this talk of Cleveland winning, please.
cricket
06-17-16, 11:50 PM
I haven't been watching the games, but I heard talk of something I never believed was a problem in the NBA-fixing games.
Many NBA players participated in a poll giving their opinions as to who the best and worst referees were. Scott Foster was chosen as the worst. Despite that, he was chosen by the NBA to be 1 of the 12 refs to work the NBA finals.
Scott Foster was in the news before, but apparently it was swept under the rug. This looks bad to me-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/07/14/disgraced-former-nba-referee-tim-donaghy-phone-calls-to-second-ref-raise.html
Mandwa Mona Rudao
06-18-16, 06:19 AM
If he gets a ring by himself without D Wade it will be huge for Lebron . I however have a feeling that Warriors will win because the league wont want the Warriors to cry and pout all next year. Warriors are the most rude team i have ever seen . They like to swag and rub it in when they are beating a team and win they lose its the bad call of the ref is against us. BTW OKC lost game 5 if Green would have been suspended OKC would have likely won because he is the cog that makes that team go even if he is a low blow cheater.
Most rude team goes to LeBron's dancing Cavs and the dancing US olympic Team. They abujse the security they have. Without it this idiocy would end up in a beatdown.
Nothing better than a game 7. Ashamed to say this is the first one I have watched, but I'm here. Turn on the TV and Lebron is grabbing a defensive rebound with not one Warrior player going for a rebound, no biggie. Outlet pass to Smith who gets a free layup. This with two of the best defenders in the league on the floor. :rolleyes:
Friendly Mushroom!
06-19-16, 09:36 PM
23 - 22 Not a bad start but it is still anyone's game.
Who you rooting for Mushroom?
Wish i had somewhere to watch this :(. I could watch it online but fudge that. Oh well, highlights tomorrow at least.
Wish i had somewhere to watch this :(. I could watch it online but fudge that. Oh well, highlights tomorrow at least.
That stinks. I don't know how you keep any interest at all when you can't see live games.
Friendly Mushroom!
06-19-16, 09:45 PM
Who you rooting for Mushroom?
The Cavs. I live 20 minutes from Cleveland. This game is going to be huge!
The Cavs. I live 20 minutes from Cleveland. This game is going to be huge!
Nice, I'm rooting for you.
That stinks. I don't know how you keep any interest at all when you can't see live games.
I can sometimes. It depends on what is going on in the European sports world. Thankfully the NBA is the only major NA sport, at least NA only i am really into.
The Cavs. I live 20 minutes from Cleveland. This game is going to be huge!
Well i hate the Cavs but i really like you Mushroom so i'm conflicted here :p
doubledenim
06-19-16, 10:56 PM
Green is showing out.
Friendly Mushroom!
06-19-16, 11:32 PM
Oh GOD LeBron is hurt!
doubledenim
06-19-16, 11:33 PM
By the power of Rick Mahorn and Charles Oakley!!!
If that dunk had gone in, that'd have been the moment, in mid air, when it was won. Would've been a poster forever.
doubledenim
06-19-16, 11:36 PM
That just happened.
doubledenim
06-19-16, 11:36 PM
32-1.
Friendly Mushroom!
06-19-16, 11:36 PM
VICTORY!!!! (m//youtu.be/VbxgYlcNxE8?t=12m4s)
https://youtu.be/VbxgYlcNxE8?t=12m
jiraffejustin
06-19-16, 11:38 PM
I was getting tired of the Golden State thing, so I guess this is cool.
jiraffejustin
06-19-16, 11:38 PM
He did it.
Oh. You a Kyrie fan too?
https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/744720171298856960
jiraffejustin
06-19-16, 11:40 PM
Yeah, if LeBron had made that dunk, his legacy would be raised by a million.
doubledenim
06-19-16, 11:40 PM
What happened??? :laugh:
Green blocked Lebron going to the rim, foul called. Lebron landed on wrist and appeared to hurt it.
Congrats Mushroom :up:. You and Tristan Thompson are the only people i'm happy for :p
jiraffejustin
06-19-16, 11:41 PM
LeBron's likability has been raised by a zillion, but he's still not that likable.
Green blocked Lebron going to the rim, foul called. Lebron landed on wrist and appeared to hurt it.
Thanks. I didn't even realize i asked that in the closing moments haha.
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