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Zotis
04-18-16, 10:48 PM
No please don't. But seriously, why is it people feel the need to tell their whole life story in some random thread?

Also, why do people like debating on the internet about things they know nothing about? Like they read a wikipedia article and act like they're an expert. Like, go read a book or something instead of making other people spend hours trying to educate you when you aren't even listening to anything they say.

Okay, random thread. Go! :D

Sexy Celebrity
04-18-16, 10:51 PM
Because people aren't really talking to other people when they're doing this. They're talking to themselves.

Godoggo
04-18-16, 11:09 PM
I'm guilty about the first part. I tell everyone everything. No particular reason for it, I just don't keep a lot private.

As to the second part, that's just how people are and they don't just do it on the Internet. I don't know how many times I've heard people say something just flat out wrong about dog behavior and keep on defending it even when I tell them that I am a dog behaviorist and even when I try to show them evidence that backs me up. Some people like to know everything and they hate to be wrong.

Captain Steel
04-18-16, 11:16 PM
No please don't. But seriously, why is it people feel the need to tell their whole life story in some random thread?

Also, why do people like debating on the internet about things they know nothing about? Like they read a wikipedia article and act like they're an expert. Like, go read a book or something instead of making other people spend hours trying to educate you when you aren't even listening to anything they say.

Okay, random thread. Go! :D

People don't debate in the way you describe!
According to Wikipedia, less than half the Internet users in the U.S. engage in debates regarding topics they know nothing about. And I should know as I am quite learned in the area of statistics - I went to art school!
Let me tell you about that... but first, I'll start at the beginning... I was born in 1964... ;)

Daniel M
04-18-16, 11:21 PM
No please don't. But seriously, why is it people feel the need to tell their whole life story in some random thread?

Because, contrary to whatever you think, some people actually care about what other people have to say. Especially on internet forums where people have specifically chosen to be part of. If you can't discuss topics with people in real life because there's no one nearby with similar interests you know, join an internet forum that specialises in stuff. People, like real life when you have common interests, inevitably develop friendships and start to care more about personalities, and also other non-forum related aspects of their life. A lot of people on forums find the internet a comforting place where they can share things with others without the emotional difficulty of real life interaction. I sign up to these forums to talk to people. People like to talk, and some people like to listen.

Also, why do people like debating on the internet about things they know nothing about? Like they read a wikipedia article and act like they're an expert. Like, go read a book or something instead of making other people spend hours trying to educate you when you aren't even listening to anything they say.

Okay, random thread. Go! :D

Well, naturally I think people always want to believe that they are intelligent and knowledgeable in certain subjects. I think if they know something then they should feel free and perhaps even be encouraged to share their thoughts on stuff, but yeah, they should also try to be open to learning and developing certain things too.

Swan
04-18-16, 11:26 PM
I'm guilty of being ridiculously introspective, but I don't believe I'm narcissistic.

Sexy Celebrity
04-18-16, 11:41 PM
Because, contrary to whatever you think, some people actually care about what other people have to say. Especially on internet forums where people have specifically chosen to be part of. If you can't discuss topics with people in real life because there's no one nearby with similar interests you know, join an internet forum that specialises in stuff. People, like real life when you have common interests, inevitably develop friendships and start to care more about personalities, and also other non-forum related aspects of their life. A lot of people on forums find the internet a comforting place where they can share things with others without the emotional difficulty of real life interaction. I sign up to these forums to talk to people. People like to talk, and some people like to listen.

You know... something I think more and more about these days... and this is partially why I wanna go all "toodles" on ya (leave the forum)......

I know you guys are all real... but when I haven't actually met you in person... and even if I did, if I only met you once... is the fact that you're all real even really all that important? Having so much interaction with people you never meet in person.... it's almost like chatting with imaginary friends. It's NOT, of course, but... never meeting someone in person... they exist only in your head. Like, here on the forum.... I exist only in your heads. You've never had a physical interaction with me. It's like I'm that computer operating system woman from Her, and you are all like that to me, except we're not all in love with each other (not yet, anyway).

So, yeah... all of you people I only know through a mental construct I have in my head of you... why do I need to tell my life story to all of you? I could write it all down or tell it to just myself.... and in a way.... it wouldn't be that different. There's a difference, of course, because by writing stuff here, I get feedback -- I can get information I can't give myself. But still.... in some sense, I'm talking out loud to myself. I'm talking out loud to strangers I don't know in a room. The only difference is the strangers are friendly and saying stuff back to me. Most of the time.

Captain Steel
04-18-16, 11:50 PM
The past posts are very insightful.
I kind of like the anonymity of what Sexy describes as almost "imaginary friends."
I think that's a big draw of this whole social media thing.

I can tell you whatever problems I want, seek your advice, etc., but never have to worry about you calling me up in the middle of the night because your car broke down or bail you out of jail.

It's not a noble to thing to admit, but this stuff has many of the perks of "real" friendship without all the commitment or worrying about relationships being fair & going both ways. We're all "friends" that we can turn off when we don't feel like listening.

Someday it will be even better because we'll have androids in our homes - we'll be able to tell them all our problems, never have to listen to any of theirs, program them to give us unconditional love, have sex with them whenever we want and then just click them off before going to sleep! It will be like having internet friends, a loyal dog, an ever-ready sex partner and a mechanical slave all in one! ;)

Sexy Celebrity
04-18-16, 11:53 PM
I actually created a sex partner people could use here:

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=22560&stc=1&d=1440819166

Need to get to work on the male version.

Zotis
04-18-16, 11:55 PM
I get being open and wanting to share one's self with others. I think that's cool. But I do find it funny in some cases where it's not actually relevant to the topic or directed at anyone specifically for any particular reason. It's like they just post it to the unknown void of the internet and hope that someone will take interest. I just think in those cases it's a bit strange.

I wonder if those people who go around arguing with everyone are really insecure and need to validate themselves somehow? That's why I do it. :D No, but sometimes I do get into really stupid pointless arguments with people. It's so unproductive, and I'm usually just boosting my own ego by saying condescending things. Half the time I'm thinking to myself, do I know what I'm even talking about? Probably not... I wish I had more self control. I go off on emotional outbursts sometimes too, like over the whole subjectivity of quality. I think for every time I'm actually satisfied with the way I handled a situation there's five where I'm disappointed with my self.

Sexy Celebrity
04-18-16, 11:56 PM
Need to get to work on the male version.

I was going to do one for inflatable sheep next, but Camo took the thread title.

Citizen Rules
04-18-16, 11:58 PM
I'd say something here, but SC, Capt and Zotis said it all, already.

Captain Steel
04-19-16, 12:00 AM
I was going to do one for inflatable sheep next, but Camo took the thread title.


Talk about telling us your life story!
;)

Sexy Celebrity
04-19-16, 12:00 AM
I get being open and wanting to share one's self with others. I think that's cool. But I do find it funny in some cases where it's not actually relevant to the topic or directed at anyone specifically for any particular reason. It's like they just post it to the unknown void of the internet and hope that someone will take interest. I just think in those cases it's a bit strange.

Right. Absolutely. Like WSSlover and her numerous threads devoted to West Side Story.

I mean, she made a thread where she wrote a letter to the movie. (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=21772)

Thank you, West Side Story, for having come into existence and pleased oh, so many people, including myself, and thank you to the people who made your existence possible.* Just the mention/thought of you, West Side Story, makes me smile, especially when I'm in a crappy mood.* Although you're wonderful on TV, too, you're even more beautiful and fantastic on the great big, wide screen of a real movie theatre palace, with the lights down low.*

TONGO
04-19-16, 12:05 AM
My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi...

Zotis
04-19-16, 12:12 AM
WSSlover, that is too funny...

:rotfl:

Captain Steel
04-19-16, 12:19 AM
It's not a noble to thing to admit, but this stuff has many of the perks of "real" friendship without all the commitment or worrying about relationships being fair & going both ways. We're all "friends" that we can turn off when we don't feel like listening.


In all seriousness, I have to say I realize the ego-centric nature of social media is terribly unhealthy and it's creating a generation of people whose abilities to engage in equitable and compassionate social interaction will be severely hindered.

Real life commitments, sacrifices for others, giving time and listening (even when you don't feel like it) for the sake of maintaining friendship & comradery is important to the social well-being of the individual and to a functioning society.

So I may be touting the advantages provided by the anonymity of social media, but I acknowledge it's the lazy person's form of friendship. There's nothing wrong with it provided it does not become a person's sole form of interaction. Too much of anything is not healthy. Any good relationship requires a degree of sacrifice, compromise and effort.

Zotis
04-19-16, 12:23 AM
I do have a pretty interesting time shaking people's hands these days. Everyone gives me a rock, and I go paper, and I win. Then they shake my hand and it's a stale fish... This one guy just squeezed my fingers and I actually said, "Do you want try that again?" And then he gave me a half-decent hand shake. Kid's these days... Man I worry about or culture... 50 years from now it's going to be a disaster.

Omnizoa
04-19-16, 03:23 AM
Also, why do people like debating on the internet about things they know nothing about?
I know right? And how come people feel compelled to casually assume to know and dismiss the knowledge of other people, right? So fricken' annoying.

I wonder if those people who go around arguing with everyone are really insecure and need to validate themselves somehow? That's why I do it. No, but sometimes I do get into really stupid pointless arguments with people. It's so unproductive, and I'm usually just boosting my own ego by saying condescending things. Half the time I'm thinking to myself, do I know what I'm even talking about? Probably not... I wish I had more self control. I go off on emotional outbursts sometimes too, like over the whole subjectivity of quality. I think for every time I'm actually satisfied with the way I handled a situation there's five where I'm disappointed with my self.
Most people don't just hand off an admission of being petty. unproductive, and condescending immediately after saying something petty, unproductive, and condescending.

If you recognize that you're doing something that you don't like, stop doing it. It's a matter of restraint. If something gets under your skin, stop, step back, and consider if it's a battle worth starting.

More often then not, what people say isn't meant to be antagonistic, but if you approach them like it is, like what they've said is some crass betrayal of common sense, then you're liable to paint yourself as antagonistic, and that will do nothing but impede your own ability to share your own perspective. People are generally a lot more receptive to counter arguments when they're not framed as coming from someone seeking to push you beneath them. We all have something to offer given our wildly different backgrounds.

The exceptions to these practices tend to be the people that take things too personally.

I know this inhibits my own interactions with you, but take note: I saw my first Akira Kurosawa movie due, in no small part, to your influence. I wouldn't have Borrowed Time, Borrowed Eyes as a new favorite song either if I thought you were entirely without merit. I even have Ikiru at the very top of my watchlist knowing that you specifically had it in your top ten.

This exchange doesn't go both ways though and your rapport is nothing if not outwardly hostile, and that's precisely why, despite disagreeing with Guaporense consistently, I find myself far more comfortable conversing with him and sharing in his favorites.

Truth is, I see a lot of myself in how you act and it just goes to inform me just how valuable it is to exercize patience, humility, and even-handedness when it comes to arguments. Arguments can in fact be healthy, friendly, learning experiences. We just gotta relax a bit and take things in stride. You can keep your convictions, just be prepared to calmly explain them if they're ever questioned. Discovering you're wrong about something doesn't have to be bad thing either, because it's a fundamental inevitability in the course of learning. Being receptive enough to understand and recognize that you're mistaken about something and then admitting it with no shame or hard feelings is a manner of improving yourself.

You're free to knee-jerk to this or call me a hypocrite for "condescending" to you in this way, but I would like to draw attention to the fact that it was a matter of restraint and reconsideration that stopped me from trying to make a dig at you.

You may think that this is what that is, but I hope that you don't and take what I've said to heart. I don't want to deepen a grudge any more than I want to be at odds with you, Zotis.

Zotis
04-19-16, 03:42 AM
^I'd rather go to the dentist then read that post.

Omnizoa
04-19-16, 04:06 AM
^I'd rather go to the dentist then read that post.
It takes a remarkable level of arrogance to bite the hand that feeds.

Zotis
04-19-16, 04:53 AM
Well, maybe if you didn't try to force feed me crap you'd get a better reaction. Did you even stop and think about what you were doing? You did the very thing I was complaining about.

Omnizoa
04-19-16, 06:57 AM
Well, maybe if you didn't try to force feed me crap you'd get a better reaction. Did you even stop and think about what you were doing? You did the very thing I was complaining about.
How do you know if you didn't read it?

Zotis
04-19-16, 07:21 AM
I skimmed it.

matt72582
04-19-16, 08:02 AM
I'm guilty about the first part. I tell everyone everything. No particular reason for it, I just don't keep a lot private.

As to the second part, that's just how people are and they don't just do it on the Internet. I don't know how many times I've heard people say something just flat out wrong about dog behavior and keep on defending it even when I tell them that I am a dog behaviorist and even when I try to show them evidence that backs me up. Some people like to know everything and they hate to be wrong.

I was born on Sunday, on the 25th, at 9:01am.. (jk)

Speaking of dog behavior, I wish the neighbors would NOT leave their dog barking from 5:54am to the present (7am).. I yelled a few times, no respect.. I would hate to call the police (animal control no longer exists, as does lead-less water), but this has been going on almost every day for a year.

P.S. - I wouldn't mind reading everyone's autobiography.

Omnizoa
04-19-16, 08:23 AM
I skimmed it.
I suppose a noncommittal is the only concession I can expect.

I'm not going to tell you my 'whole life story', Zotis, and I'm not going to post anything that isn't 'actually relevant to the topic' or 'directed at anyone' 'for any particular reason'.

I decided to offer you some specific tailored advice regarding something I actually know about firsthand. The irony is, this has only become another of those 'stupid pointless arguments' you mentioned, because, as you say yourself, 'you aren't even listening to anything they say'.

contrary to whatever you think, some people actually care about what other people have to say.

For ****'s sake, Zotis, you're 30. There are people less than half your age more diplomatic than this.

Zotis
04-19-16, 08:41 AM
Just leave me alone Omnizoa. I don't want to talk to you.

honeykid
04-19-16, 10:20 AM
I skimmed it.

This is one of the big problems of today.... And I'm as guilty of it as anyone else. If not more.

Yoda
04-19-16, 10:30 AM
This is one of the big problems of today.... And I'm as guilty of it as anyone else. If not more.
Yeah, I'm a little perturbed by how often I find myself skimming things. It's a really hard habit to get out of it. But then, it's at least partially borne out by the amount of fluff in most text.

honeykid
04-19-16, 11:15 AM
Yeah, I'm a little perturbed by how often I find myself skimming things. It's a really hard habit to get out of it. But then, it's at least partially borne out by the amount of fluff in most text.
Yeah, sorry about that. :D

Monkeypunch
04-19-16, 05:51 PM
My story? Okay. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi...

You beat me to it! I was going to post this same thing. LOL.

Captain Steel
04-19-16, 08:11 PM
Yeah, I'm a little perturbed by how often I find myself skimming things. It's a really hard habit to get out of it. But then, it's at least partially borne out by the amount of fluff in most text.

You're kind of in the position to do that, Yoda.

Yoda
04-19-16, 09:04 PM
You mean on the forums? If so, yeah, true, though I was thinking of articles and essays and the like when I wrote that.

Captain Steel
04-19-16, 10:06 PM
You mean on the forums? If so, yeah, true, though I was thinking of articles and essays and the like when I wrote that.

Yes, I meant as a moderator.
P.S. When are you going to tell us your life story? ;)