Old fogey music [Archive]

Citizen Rules

04-03-16, 03:57 PM

I trust GBG to be fair and make a wise decision, but it won't be easy for her as there's a lot of different types of Old Fogey music:D

My suggestion is (and it's only a suggestion as it will be up to GBG to decide): We do a broader base OF tournament this time, with the categories like Chyp listed. But if some styles are questionable like soul or old country, leave them out for now.

But if this is successful, we can on occasion do more OF tournaments and be more specific on the style of music. In the future I could see an OF tournament for Big Band era, another for crooners & torch singers, another for show tunes (yup we got to do the show tunes):D...Motown...etc.

Anyway, that's my thoughts.

christine

04-03-16, 04:10 PM

Actually it would make it easier if we did have a time cut off like say released pre 1960. I know there are songs post 1960 and even up to date, but at least a cut off point would make it music your parents or grandparents listened to. Just a thought.

Citizen Rules

04-03-16, 05:17 PM

christine

04-03-16, 05:20 PM

Let's see what other people think. I'm happy to go with the consensus.

SilentVamp

04-03-16, 05:27 PM

I like a lot of the categories that Chyp listed as "Old Fogey", but I think it should be music that doesn't get used a lot in the tournaments (except by me because I always manage to nominate something like a Nat 'King' Cole song :D - I just can't resist it :D).

Basically, in my mind, I figured it would be something that was more pre-1960 (like christine mentioned), but it would exclude any rock 'n roll. I thought that it may be along the lines of pop (i.e. Dean Martin), jazz, big band, swing, crooners et.c.

Now, please indulge me for a bit because I am really unhappy about how things are going in that Millennial Tournament right now. :( And I just want to babble about ideas really quickly. :)

If I were running this, I think I would like it to be more mid-tempo/slow music. That way everyone is kind of on the same track - and it would make for a change for a little while. Then, if this tournament were popular enough, then there could be a second Old Fogey tournament with the more upbeat and/or "happy" tunes at some point in the future (yes, I AM writing this with the idea in my mind that it would make it a lot easier for ME to choose the songs for each tournament because I am having an exceptionally hard time choosing between them right now! :D).

I would not include showtunes in this (if enough crooners are nominated, there will be more than enough showtunes in there because a good number of the artists then recorded songs originally from musicals). I think showtunes should have their OWN tournament, though. Yeah, I said it! I really want it to happen. :)

That's it. That was all I had to say about it. Take or leave my comments, but that is how I feel about it - if I could have things my way. :D But whatever people decide, I am OK with.

cricket

04-03-16, 05:54 PM

I'm fine however, and if I pick something that's not perfectly suitable, someone just let me know and I'll switch it.

Chypmunk

04-03-16, 06:08 PM

If people think a cutoff date is a good idea then I've no major problem with that - as already stated I started this thread purely because nobody had yet and this needed discussion - I am just one participant same as everyone else that wants to join it. If a cutoff date is decided upon though it should be release date (like it has always been before) and not the approach that was adopted with the Millennial tournament.

Personally I'm not overly keen on restrictions on tempo as it then makes a fair chunk of certain styles (such as big band music) ineligible but again I like these things to be community based decisions where possible so I could live with it if necessary. As for showtunes - I'm happy either way, tbh I wouldn't join a tourney purely with showtunes and probably wouldn't pick any for my noms in this either (not that I don't like them just I much prefer to be a little left-field with a lot of my noms as and where poss).

Like most I'll be content with whatever the consensus of opinion is and choose my noms accordingly.

SilentVamp

04-03-16, 06:46 PM

Personally I'm not overly keen on restrictions on tempo as it then makes a fair chunk of certain styles (such as big band music) ineligible
Big Band wouldn't be exempt because of tempo. After all, this exists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8zDQAOLVtM
:)

I don't care if the tempo isn't restricted. It is just for my own personal, selfish desire that I would like it to be. :D I am really having a hard time choosing my songs for this one. If I could separate them, based on tempo, then I could use all of them. But if I can't, then I have the arduous task of trying to decide on what would be best. I was listening to one of my choices the other day and I thought "Yeah, I think I'll use that one", but then I heard a completely different song and thought "That one is good, too". This has really been tough trying to decide which would be the ones that I would like to use the most. :rolleyes: I probably listen to the Big Band, crooner, old-time jazz sort of music more than anything else. I was looking forward to a tournament like this, but the decision just has not been easy at all. :nope:

But, like I said, I'll do whatever is decided on. :)

gbgoodies

04-04-16, 12:24 AM

First of all, a BIG THANK YOU to Chypmunk for starting this thread. I've been trying to get a discussion thread like this started for a couple of days now, but it's been a crazy weekend for me, so I just haven't been able to do it yet.

And now, about the music, I want everyone to remember that just because the Old Fogey song tournament was my idea, it doesn't mean that this is MY tournament. It's OUR tournament. This means that we will work together to decide what we consider "Old Fogey" music, and what we think should be eligible.

When I think of "Old Fogey" music, I think of music that I can sit back, close my eyes, and just listen and relax, and not get a headache. The kind of music that my parents listened to when I was a kid, and my grandparents before them.

This includes singers like the crooners, like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, etc. I also think of old-time singers like Doris Day, Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett, Mel Tormé, etc. Even some current singers like Michael Bublé and Harry Connick Jr. could be considered "old fogey" music based on the type of music they sing. Even a few singers that I nominated in the upcoming British Song Tournament, like Michael Crawford, John Barrowman, Michael Ball, Tom Jones, etc., could be considered "old fogey" music.

Classic Broadway showtunes also fall into "old fogey" music, but some people have expressed an interest in having a Showtunes Song Tournament at a later date, so maybe we should limit those tunes to cover versions by artists who aren't the originals from either the Broadway or London casts or the movie casts.

I know that most of you aren't familiar with country music, but some old country music would be considered "old fogey" music as well, but I'll probably avoid nominating country music for this tournament because it's not really what I had in mind when I first thought of this tournament. However I don't want to exclude it unless most of us want to limit this tournament based on certain genres.

I'm not very familiar with Soul, Jazz and Big Band, but most of what I've heard in those genres probably fall into "Old Fogey" music as well.

I appreciate that most of you trust me to decide what should be eligible, but this shouldn't be the decision of only one person. So while we have some time, let's discuss what kind of music WE want to be eligible in this tournament.

Citizen Rules

04-04-16, 03:11 AM

let's discuss what kind of music WE want to be eligible in this tournament.

This includes singers like the crooners, like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, etc. I also think of old-time singers like Doris Day, Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett, Mel Tormé, etc. That was what I was thinking of when I suggested we do an Old Fogey tournament a couple of months ago.

Even some current singers like Michael Bublé and Harry Connick Jr. could be considered "old fogey" music based on the type of music they sing. Ahh...but they're not vintage. That's why I liked the 1960 countoff date or maybe 1970s, but nothing newer and no rock n roll.

Classic Broadway showtunes also fall into "old fogey" music, but some people have expressed an interest in having a Showtunes Song Tournament at a later date, so maybe we should limit those tunes to cover versions by artists who aren't the originals from either the Broadway or London casts or the movie casts. I can see that. I would like a tournament some day where I can nominate songs from movie musicals of the past.

know that most of you aren't familiar with country music, but some old country music would be considered "old fogey" music as well, but I'll probably avoid nominating country music for this tournament because it's not really what I had in mind when I first thought of this tournament. However I don't want to exclude it unless most of us want to limit this tournament based on certain genres. I'm OK if you want to nominate some old fogey country songs:p

I'm not very familiar with Soul, Jazz and Big Band, but most of what I've heard in those genres probably fall into "Old Fogey" music as well. Soul doesn't fit into OF IMO, but jazz yes, blues yes, big band yes.

I appreciate that most of you trust me to decide what should be eligible, but this shouldn't be the decision of only one person. So while we have some time,You're the boss so I will agree to what you say, but it's nice that you ask us and so there was my two cents worth:p

christine

04-04-16, 04:35 PM

I've been listening to some old fogey songs for the past few hour while I've been working and I tell you something, I really can't say I've listened to anything I don't like. Guys this is going to be a hard tournament. If you like this sort of music there's going to be annoying choices to make!
There's the nostalgia thing too, some of the songs I've been listening to have had some memories of family that have brought a tear to me eye. I bet that'll happen to you too. Steel yourselves!

SilentVamp

04-04-16, 04:54 PM

I can see that. I would like a tournament some day where I can nominate songs from movie musicals of the past.
I just don't think there are enough options to limit the songs to be from movie musicals. I would also like to be able to nominate something from a Broadway show that had never been made into a movie (yes, I have a particular song picked out :)). I think it should just be a general showtune tournament. Meaning, if you wanted to only nominate old movie musical songs, go ahead. If someone wants only Broadway shows, fine. I, myself, was planning on trying to make it a mix of both of them. But whatever is decided is decided. :)

I've been listening to some old fogey songs for the past few hour while I've been working and I tell you something, I really can't say I've listened to anything I don't like. Guys this is going to be a hard tournament. If you like this sort of music there's going to be annoying choices to make!
I know!! This is what I have been meaning when I am saying that I have been having a hard time making up my mind. christine gets it! :D It is so much harder than I thought it would be. My list of possibilities just keeps getting longer.

Kaplan

04-04-16, 04:58 PM

I'm actually intrigued by this idea. I will consider joining.

Citizen Rules

04-04-16, 07:31 PM

I just don't think there are enough options to limit the songs to be from movie musicals. I would also like to be able to nominate something from a Broadway show that had never been made into a movie (yes, I have a particular song picked out :)). I think it should just be a general showtune tournament. Meaning, if you wanted to only nominate old movie musical songs, go ahead. If someone wants only Broadway shows, fine. I, myself, was planning on trying to make it a mix of both of them.. A future Showtunes is good with me:p

I'm actually intrigued by this idea. I will consider joining. Kap, yeah you should join this!

gbgoodies

04-04-16, 10:35 PM

Ahh...but they're not vintage. That's why I liked the 1960 countoff date or maybe 1970s, but nothing newer and no rock n roll.

I would prefer not to have a cutoff date because I think that will eliminate a lot of great music, but I'll agree to whatever everyone thinks is best.

I'm OK if you want to nominate some old fogey country songs:p

I'll think about it. :)

You're the boss so I will agree to what you say, but it's nice that you ask us and so there was my two cents worth:p

But that's my point. Just because I'm running the tournament, it doesn't have to make me "the boss". I want this to be OUR tournament, not MY tournament.

gbgoodies

04-04-16, 10:37 PM

I just don't think there are enough options to limit the songs to be from movie musicals. I would also like to be able to nominate something from a Broadway show that had never been made into a movie (yes, I have a particular song picked out :)). I think it should just be a general showtune tournament. Meaning, if you wanted to only nominate old movie musical songs, go ahead. If someone wants only Broadway shows, fine. I, myself, was planning on trying to make it a mix of both of them. But whatever is decided is decided. :)

I agree that when we're ready for this type of tournament, it should include movie musicals and Broadway showtunes.

gbgoodies

04-04-16, 10:43 PM

I was thinking about this, and I want to try an experiment. I'd like everyone to think about this before answering, and when you're ready, try to sum up what "old fogey" music means to you using only one word.

For example, I thought about the words "relaxing" and "pleasant", but then I thought that those words could mean so many other types of music to other people, so I chose a different word.

The word I think most describes "old fogey" music to me is probably "mellow", but I'm still not sure that that's the right word either, so I'm still thinking about it.

BTW, Hubby's word for it would probably be "sleep-inducing". :lol:

Citizen Rules

04-04-16, 10:46 PM

I'd like everyone to think about this before answering, and when you're ready, try to sum up what "old fogey" music means to you using only one word.

Nostalgic.

Citizen Rules

04-04-16, 10:48 PM

Mellow could mean a Led Zepplin song. But that's not old fogey music. Old fogey music is music before the days of Rock n Roll. Do you guys know what the Hit Parade was? Those type of songs are old fogey music.

mojofilter

04-04-16, 10:55 PM

How about you guys post specific examples of old fogey music? What decade(s) does old fogey music represent?

gbgoodies

04-04-16, 11:00 PM

Nostalgic.

That's a great word for it.

Mellow could mean a Led Zepplin song. But that's not old fogey music. Old fogey music is music before the days of Rock n Roll. Do you guys know what the Hit Parade was? Those type of songs are old fogey music.

Yeah, I know. That's why I said that I wasn't really sure that it was the right word, and I'm still thinking about it. I know what "old fogey" music feels like to me, but I haven't quite figured out how to describe it yet.

I'm just trying to get an idea of what everyone is thinking, and I thought this might be a good way to start.

gbgoodies

04-04-16, 11:06 PM

How about you guys post specific examples of old fogey music? What decade(s) does old fogey music represent?

That's a good idea too. I'll post some examples later, when the sound on my computer is on again.

I'm just going to add a request that if someone posts a song here, that person should have "dibs" on it in the tournament if they want to nominate it. It would be unfair for someone to have a nomination "stolen" from them because they used it as an example here.

Does anyone have a problem with this request?

Citizen Rules

04-04-16, 11:58 PM

NostalgiaThat's a great word for it. I stole that word from Christine:p I seen her post it and thought it fit to a tee.

I like MoJos idea of posting some examples. Dinner time is coming up for me so I might have to do that tomorrow.

SilentVamp

04-05-16, 12:14 AM

I would prefer not to have a cutoff date because I think that will eliminate a lot of great music, but I'll agree to whatever everyone thinks is best.
When I was thinking of a cutoff date, I didn't necessarily mean the artist had to be around before 1960. I meant the "style" of music that the artist records. If someone would like to nominate a Michael Feinstein or a Harry Connick, Jr. song, I think that is OK. Singers like those two have a tendency to record music that was written before 1960, anyway. But they also have recorded music that was written after that time, but that music has, essentially, been inspired from before the 1960's. That is why I don't see a big deal in it if the artists are from after that date.

Not only that, I think this will make for a good opportunity for songs/artists that aren't normally used in other tournaments to be shown off in this one.

Nostalgic.
That's a great word for it.
I was just about to say that, too. :) I think that is a perfect word for it.

How about you guys post specific examples of old fogey music? What decade(s) does old fogey music represent?
Here is the thing for me. I am only calling this "old fogey" because that is the name that has been attached to it. I, myself, don't consider it necessarily that because I have listened to it practically for my entire life. So, there is really nothing "old fogey" about it for me. But, if I were to pick an era of music, it would definitely be from approximately 1955 on back into time. Why? Because I am basing it on how I was treated in school for the music that I listened to (and how I am sure some kids - who do actually listen to this kind of stuff - might get treated today). Kids would consider old-time jazz, big band, swing, et.c. to be "old-fashioned". They wouldn't think that, necessarily, about old rock 'n roll because it is still a form of rock. I think with the older pop songs, they are either more relaxing, very laid back or very jazzed up - based on whatever song is being played. There always seems to be this element of a feeling of swing to it no matter what the tempo. I hope I made sense. I know what I mean. I just don't know if I am describing it right (a terrible habit of mine). :)

SilentVamp

04-05-16, 12:15 AM

I stole that word from Christine:p I seen her post it and thought it fit to a tee.
And I just gave you a pat on the back for coming up with the word.
:tsk:

:)

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 12:31 AM

When I was thinking of a cutoff date, I didn't necessarily mean the artist had to be around before 1960. I meant the "style" of music that the artist records. If someone would like to nominate a Michael Feinstein or a Harry Connick, Jr. song, I think that is OK. Singers like those two have a tendency to record music that was written before 1960, anyway. But they also have recorded music that was written after that time, but that music has, essentially, been inspired from before the 1960's. That is why I don't see a big deal in it if the artists are from after that date.

Not only that, I think this will make for a good opportunity for songs/artists that aren't normally used in other tournaments to be shown off in this one.

That's what I meant when I said that having a cutoff date would exclude a lot of great music. There are some terrific current singers who sing old-fashioned style music. I think using the song's date as a cutoff date might work, but there would have to be more to it than just the date. There are a lot of other songs from the '60s and earlier that probably don't fit into the theme of this tournament.

Here is the thing for me. I am only calling this "old fogey" because that is the name that has been attached to it. I, myself, don't consider it necessarily that because I have listened to it practically for my entire life. So, there is really nothing "old fogey" about it for me. But, if I were to pick an era of music, it would definitely be from approximately 1955 on back into time. Why? Because I am basing it on how I was treated in school for the music that I listened to (and how I am sure some kids - who do actually listen to this kind of stuff - might get treated today). Kids would consider old-time jazz, big band, swing, et.c. to be "old-fashioned". They wouldn't think that, necessarily, about old rock 'n roll because it is still a form of rock. I think with the older pop songs, they are either more relaxing, very laid back or very jazzed up - based on whatever song is being played. There always seems to be this element of a feeling of swing to it no matter what the tempo. I hope I made sense. I know what I mean. I just don't know if I am describing it right (a terrible habit of mine). :)

I've been listening to this type of music my whole life too, so I understand what you mean. We can change the name to something like the Nostalgic Song Tournament, or Old Fashioned Music Song Tournament, or something else, as long as we get a consensus on the theme, so we're all happy when the tournament starts.

Citizen Rules

04-05-16, 12:37 AM

SilentVamp

04-05-16, 12:43 AM

Sing Sing Sing - Benny Goodman (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyhP_5VfKM)
I nominated this one for the Instrumental Song Tournament. I can't remember how long it lasted, though. If I remember correctly, it was out a lot sooner than I thought it would be - pretty early on. It was a major disappointment when that one was a loser. I love it. So, naturally, I expected everyone else to love it just as much. :D I really did think it had a chance, but, alas, it wasn't meant to be. :(

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 12:59 AM

My dinner, garlic basil pasta with stewed tomatoes is cooking, so I have a few minutes. GBG asked us to post examples of music that is Old Fogey (I did coin that phrase a couple months ago)....

Sing Sing Sing - Benny Goodman (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyhP_5VfKM)

Baby It's Cold Outside - Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Jordan (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NQblIexi-eQ)

Down Argentine Way - Betty Grable & Don Ameche (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQAlHpPSNU)

Bobby Darin-Dream Lover (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QlGeKdUFjB4)

There's four

I was on the fence with Bobby Darin's music, but I wouldn't be upset if anyone nominated his songs in this tournament. I think some of his songs qualify, but some are borderline.

I thought I was the first one to use the term "Old Fogey", but it's possible that you used it first and I just didn't remember that when I used it. I only used that term because I've had friends call me an "old fogey" because of listening to this type off music, and the type of movies that I love.

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 01:01 AM

I nominated this one for the Instrumental Song Tournament. I can't remember how long it lasted, though. If I remember correctly, it was out a lot sooner than I thought it would be - pretty early on. It was a major disappointment when that one was a loser. I love it. So, naturally, I expected everyone else to love it just as much. :D I really did think it had a chance, but, alas, it wasn't meant to be. :(

That's the beauty of this tournament. These types of songs never do well in most of the other song tournaments, but they'll have a better chance in this one because they'll be up against similar music, not the heavy hitters that they usually go up against.

Zotis

04-05-16, 01:05 AM

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzAzShZVw_g

christine

04-05-16, 01:08 AM

There is a lot of nostalgia in the music specially when you associate if back with your family, but the word I would use is smooth. To me it's sophisticated music, adult music. I'm happy for it to be called old fogey music, it's not a bad description, it's cool to be an old fogey !

SV, I loved that Benny Goodman track!

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 01:15 AM

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzAzShZVw_g

I'm pretty sure that I've heard that tune with words, but I can't seem to place it. Now it's probably going to drive me nuts all night until I figure it out.

Zotis

04-05-16, 01:21 AM

The Don Messer show is the only Country music I actually like.

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 01:46 AM

TONGO

04-05-16, 02:16 AM

Old fogey music kicks ass! Ive posted 2 Glen Miller Orchestras within the past day.

Benny Goodman & Louis Prima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDsWyXIR1to

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 02:24 AM

Old fogey music kicks ass! Ive posted 2 Glen Miller Orchestras within the past day.

Benny Goodman & Louis Prima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDsWyXIR1to

TONGO, I don't think you read the song tournament threads, so you may not know why this thread was posted. We're working on trying to define old fogey music because we want to have an Old Fogey Song Tournament, and we want everyone to know what kind of music would be eligible.

The Old Fogey Song Tournament will probably start in a couple of weeks. There's a Millennial Song Tournament going on now, and a British Song Tournament scheduled next, so the Old Fogey Song Tournament will probably be held after the British one ends. You're welcome to join it when it starts.

Citizen Rules

04-05-16, 04:00 AM

[quote=gbgoodies;1489719...I thought I was the first one to use the term "Old Fogey", but it's possible that you used it first and I just didn't remember that when I used it. .[/quote] You're probably right, my memory ain't what it use to be:eek:...I remember promoting the idea of a duel tournament one for they young people and one for the older people. But let's keep the Old Fogey name, it's starting to feel right to me.:p

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 04:15 AM

You're probably right, my memory ain't what it use to be:eek:...I remember promoting the idea of a duel tournament one for they young people and one for the older people. But let's keep the Old Fogey name, it's starting to feel right to me.:p

I'm okay with calling it an Old Fogey Song Tournament if everyone else is okay with it. I only suggested changing the name because SilentVamp didn't seem to like that term.

Personally, I'm proud of being an old fogey. I've always felt that I was born in the wrong time period anyway.

Chypmunk

04-05-16, 04:37 AM

Firstly if people are going to start trying to claim 'dibs' on who first used the term 'Old Fogey' it would be none of us on here as the term has been around for quite some time .... certainly nobody here invented it within the past year or so :nope: ;)

'Old Fogey' music for me cannot necessarily be defined by a single word, nor by using a cutoff point in time/date, it is also a term that for me includes music that seems to contradict why other music is not a part of it and hence why I think it is quite difficult to describe and may mean slightly different things to different people. Here are my thoughts on the term and it's meaning (again they are only my thoughts - song tournaments are a community asset and not the domain of any one single person on here)...

Some of it is music that either generally appealed far more to older generations at the time than it did to youngsters or is based on a musical style from a bygone age that still generally appeals more to an older audience than a younger one. That's why rock 'n' roll could not be included for me - not because of the era in which it was made but because it was very much a young person's music (and in this particular case actively disliked by older generations at the time). Same with genres like be-bop, heavy rock, disco, punk, hip-hop, rap etc. - all genres of music that I would say historically 'belonged' to the younger generations.

Some of it is music that may have originally appealed more to youngsters but over time that fanbase has aged and as such it has become much more associated with an element of 'nostalgia'; as there are also not a lot of mainstream artists still producing works in that style it is therefore naturally associated far more with older generations these days - transitional artists from the rock 'n' roll era that melded influences both old and new into their styles like Bobby Darin, Peggy Lee and Bobby Vee very much fall into that ilk in my opinion, at least their numbers that are more melodic and less upbeat do (for instance Rocking Around The Christmas Tree wouldn't in my humble opinion).

Some people seem to be describing Old Fogey purely as Easy Listening ... understandable and perhaps true to a large extent imo but I don't believe the two are totally interchangeable - some jazz and big band music would fall outside of Easy Listening for instance but for me would still be regarded as Old Fogey. Which brings me to a third aspect of how I would classify Old Fogey - music from a bygone era that was very popular at the time with generations both old and young but has over time slipped away into relative obscurity or become something of a niche interest these days.

Those are just the personal ramblings of one mere individual woken up far too early by his cats and therefore with a little time on his hands, hopefully at least part of it makes sense :D

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 04:51 AM

Chyp, I think maybe you've hit the nail on the head with your description. The reason that it's so hard to describe old fogey music might be because it's more about what it isn't than about what it is.

For me, on the "what it isn't" side, it isn't rap, metal, disco, hard rock, soft rock, classic rock, or any other kind of rock 'n roll. The singers don't scream or yell. It's not loud and banging, and it doesn't give me a headache.

gbgoodies

04-05-16, 05:18 AM

Here are a few examples of my idea of old fogey music:

Nat King Cole - When I Fall in Love (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAb0gNPy6s)

Bing Crosby - I'll Be Seeing You (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIodQjUSmg)

Steve Lawrence - Go Away, Little Girl (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9l--WWFwMg)

Johnny Mathis - Chances Are (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NEH3uqbpsm8)

Kaplan

04-05-16, 07:32 AM

how I would classify Old Fogey - music from a bygone era that was very popular at the time with generations both old and young but has over time slipped away into relative obscurity or become something of a niche interest these days.

Those are just the personal ramblings of one mere individual woken up far too early by his cats and therefore with a little time on his hands, hopefully at least part of it makes sense :D

This is part of the gist of what my impression was on reading the first post in this thread, which seemed like an exciting idea. Then the talk has veered toward calling it "smooth" and what have you, and allowing for Harry Connick Jr. and who knows, Kenny G. too, perhaps, and I'm starting to lose interest.

I guess it's my fault for not taking the term "old fogey" more literally. I was thinking more in terms of Old Timey music along with big band, blues, jazz and vocal jazz, and general popular music, ranging from the earliest recordings available up through the mid-50s.

As for trying to figure out what was popular with what age groups seventy or more years ago is pretty difficult, and I personally don't see what's wrong with including bebop, as long as it's from the right era. But whatever, if I joined I probably wouldn't nominate bebop, but wouldn't mind someone else doing so.

My impression wasn't what music you think the nursing home crowd might like, but what kind of music you might find if you were invited to explore the record collections that ninety-year-old music lovers have kept from their youth.

I liked the songs CR posted, so I'll keep my eye on how this plays out, to see whether I'd like to join. Meanwhile, here's a sampling of the type of stuff I'd be likely to nominate:

New York Town-Cisco Houston (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sY7ymohC08Y)

House of the Rising Sun-Leadbelly (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y5tOpyipNJs)

Anything Goes-Cole Porter
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd1w5tn040g)

Chypmunk

04-05-16, 08:27 AM

My impression wasn't what music you think the nursing home crowd might like, but what kind of music you might find if you were invited to explore the record collections that ninety-year-old music lovers have kept from their youth.
I can see where you are coming from but that would give a cutoff date of something like the end of the second world war .... don't get me wrong - if that's what the consensus want I'm more than happy to participate on those terms - I just think that perhaps might restrict the numbers that take part. Maybe one pre-1950's tournament and another post-1940's tournament might work though?

Had my father lived he'd be 88 going on 89 now - if I were to base my own personal impression of what the nursing home crowd would like based purely on his musical tastes ... it would just about cover most musical styles including punk :D

Like all three of those btw :)

Kaplan

04-05-16, 08:47 AM

I can see where you are coming from but that would give a cutoff date of something like the end of the second world war .

Umm, you're taking my example way too literally.

Chypmunk

04-05-16, 08:55 AM

Umm, you're taking my example way too literally.
My bad, no more from me in this thread.

Let me know when this is ready to start Gbg :)

SilentVamp

04-07-16, 03:47 PM

I was on the fence with Bobby Darin's music, but I wouldn't be upset if anyone nominated his songs in this tournament. I think some of his songs qualify, but some are borderline.
I do actually have some Bobby Darin that I have been considering. I think that his music is pretty distinctive between his pop (his old fogey stuff :)) and his rock 'n roll ("Splish Splash" just wouldn't fit in my opinion). I was just assuming that there was a possibility of a bunch of his songs in here. :)

I'm okay with calling it an Old Fogey Song Tournament if everyone else is okay with it. I only suggested changing the name because SilentVamp didn't seem to like that term.
And when SilentVamp doesn't like it everyone else shouldn't like it either. Now you're getting it! :D

No, I am OK with the term. It is what was decided on a long time ago, and I don't care. :)

If you want samples of songs that I consider old fogey enough for the Old Fogey Tournament, just look at all of the songs that I nominated in previous tournaments:
Route 66 - Nat 'King' Cole (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ikwPxniT1Rw&nohtml5=False)
My Cousin From Milwaukee - Lyda Roberti (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T70JmCzxqmk&nohtml5=False)
K-K-K-Katy - Billy Murray (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAAkrI-aaOE&nohtml5=False)
I Could Write a Book - Harry Connick, Jr. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1l93B5EI1L8&nohtml5=False)
Orange Colored Sky - Nat 'King' Cole (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ad6EL-qTGl8&nohtml5=False)

And most recently:
Autumn Leaves - Nat 'King' Cole (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMCeymW1Ow&nohtml5=False)
It Might As Well Be Spring - Ella Fitzgerald (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZG-tmEKss&nohtml5=False)

As you can see, I do have this thing with nominating Nat 'King' Cole. :shrug: Maybe since I've nominated him a bunch of times in other tournaments I should avoid nominating him this time. Give him a break. :)

To give an update, I've managed to narrow it down from 36 songs to 26 songs, and now I am stuck. I can't seem to make up my mind about those at all.

TONGO

04-07-16, 03:54 PM

TONGO, I don't think you read the song tournament threads, so you may not know why this thread was posted. We're working on trying to define old fogey music because we want to have an Old Fogey Song Tournament, and we want everyone to know what kind of music would be eligible.

The Old Fogey Song Tournament will probably start in a couple of weeks. There's a Millennial Song Tournament going on now, and a British Song Tournament scheduled next, so the Old Fogey Song Tournament will probably be held after the British one ends. You're welcome to join it when it starts.

Ah! No I just assumed we were making a special spot for old fogey music, my bad :bashful:

christine

04-07-16, 05:11 PM

I'm ok with your Nat King Cole thing SV, don't give him a break, he's so cool he belongs here!

christine

04-07-16, 05:31 PM

My impression wasn't what music you think the nursing home crowd might like, but what kind of music you might find if you were invited to explore the record collections that ninety-year-old music lovers have kept from their youth.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive! You don't go all gaga about what you liked in your youth just cos you can't get around anymore! ;)

Anyway, I'm not nominating any post 1960s , I'm enjoying my listening through my long list so there's no Connick Jnr or Kenny G (whoever he is) from me, but if other people think that more modern singers are doing old fogey songs I'm ok with listening to them in a tournament. It's all only a bit of fun after all :D

mojofilter

04-07-16, 05:34 PM

Old fogey singers to me are the likes of Elvis, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bobby Darin...etc

SilentVamp

04-07-16, 06:12 PM

That is so interesting to me because I don't think of Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash or Elvis as old fogey. In fact, I don't personally know of anyone else that would think that about Elvis.

I can almost see something like Doo Wop being more old fogey-ish than old rock 'n roll.

TONGO

04-07-16, 06:15 PM

I think anything in the 1940's and older.

The 1950s, music changed dramatically.

Kaplan

04-07-16, 10:05 PM

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive! You don't go all gaga about what you liked in your youth just cos you can't get around anymore! ;)

Anyway, I'm not nominating any post 1960s , I'm enjoying my listening through my long list so there's no Connick Jnr or Kenny G (whoever he is) from me, but if other people think that more modern singers are doing old fogey songs I'm ok with listening to them in a tournament. It's all only a bit of fun after all :D

My point was the difference between what people actually listened to in their youth and what we think of the elderly liking now, i.e. only easy listening. But I'm going to stop making any points, because people take them too literally.

And sure, sure, you don't know who Kenny G is... ;)

I'll wait to see how this plays out and what you guys decide.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 02:25 AM

I do actually have some Bobby Darin that I have been considering. I think that his music is pretty distinctive between his pop (his old fogey stuff :)) and his rock 'n roll ("Splish Splash" just wouldn't fit in my opinion). I was just assuming that there was a possibility of a bunch of his songs in here. :)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few Bobby Darin songs get nominated either, but some of his songs don't really fit the old fogey theme. ("Splish Splash" was the exact song that I was thinking of when I made the comment about being on the fence with his music, however songs like "Dream Lover" and "Beyond the Sea" probably do fit the theme.)

I don't want to exclude Darin from eligibility, but I think people should be careful which of his songs they choose to nominate.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 02:26 AM

Ah! No I just assumed we were making a special spot for old fogey music, my bad :bashful:

Feel free to make comments and suggestions in this thread about what old fogey music means to you. It might help us come up with the rules of eligibility for the song tournament.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 02:28 AM

Old fogey singers to me are the likes of Elvis, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bobby Darin...etc

I don't think of Elvis, Johnny Cash, or Bob Dylan as old fogey music, and like I said earlier, I'm on the fence with Bobby Darin based on the songs, but Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin should definitely be eligible.

christine

04-08-16, 09:42 AM

My point was the difference between what people actually listened to in their youth and what we think of the elderly liking now, i.e. only easy listening. But I'm going to stop making any points, because people take them too literally.

And sure, sure, you don't know who Kenny G is... ;)

I'll wait to see how this plays out and what you guys decide.

Seriously I didn't know who he was! I just looked him up and I guess I just don't listen or take any notice of that kind of thing!
Anyway don't go off in a huff, I was only defending the music taste of the poor people stuck in nursing homes...I might be there soon and I'd better have access to a rope if they played Val Doonican all day ;)

christine

04-08-16, 09:45 AM

Old fogey singers to me are the likes of Elvis, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bobby Darin...etc

Mojo. What? now you are going to make me cry, and feel really old :(

Go get your guitar out and play some Johnny Cash as punishment!

Kaplan

04-08-16, 05:11 PM

Anyway don't go off in a huff, I was only defending the music taste of the poor people stuck in nursing homes...I might be there soon and I'd better have access to a rope if they played Val Doonican all day ;)

Not at all. I just don't want to be overbearing, there's a core group of people who are doing the tournament no matter what, so let them decide. Then the rest of us can all decide if we want to join.

And sorry to have brought Kenny G into your world.

Godoggo

04-08-16, 05:15 PM

I don't have the time right now to read all this thread, but I want to join if I can.

TONGO

04-08-16, 05:37 PM

Im repeating myself, but Im thinking everything 1940s and older. The 50's everything changed, it really was a music renaissance. Even the old hillbilly sounds from Oh Brother Where Art thou, thats ol timey! Thats old fogey music! :) The 40's were the last years of classical musics popularity even to a mainstream degree. After World War II everyone started enjoying life, music seemed to change with it.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 08:17 PM

I don't have the time right now to read all this thread, but I want to join if I can.

The tournament hasn't started yet, but you're welcome to join it when it starts. While we're waiting for it to start, you can post your thoughts here about what you think is the definition or description of old fogey music. You can even post some examples here if you want to.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 08:20 PM

Not at all. I just don't want to be overbearing, there's a core group of people who are doing the tournament no matter what, so let them decide. Then the rest of us can all decide if we want to join.

And sorry to have brought Kenny G into your world.

You're welcome to post your thoughts and opinions about old fogey music here. Every little bit helps to come up with a description.

And I haven't heard a lot of Kenny G's music, but I like what I've heard.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 08:26 PM

I'd like to hear everyone's opinions about setting a cutoff date for the music.

Should we have a cutoff date, or not?

If so, should it be based on the artist, or the song? (Should we allow current artists like Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé, etc. who sing old songs?)

And if we have a cutoff date, what year should be the cutoff?

Citizen Rules

04-08-16, 08:59 PM

Let's go with a cutoff date of 1960, like Christine suggested.

So far by my count at least 4 people want the Old Fogey tournament to be songs from the past (1959 and older, but not rock n roll).

The only person that supported modern easy listening music is you GBG. You said it was up to the group to decide. The group has already overwhelmingly supported the idea old fogey music is old stuff and not Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé or Kiss's Beth.

We can always do a Easy Listening tournament after this one.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 09:04 PM

Let's go with a cutoff date of 1960 and earlier like Christine said.

So far by my count at least 4 people want the Old Fogey tournament to be songs from the past (1959 and older (but not rock n roll).

The only person that supported modern easy listening music is you GBG. You said it was up to the group. The group has already overwhelming supported the idea that old fogey music is old stuff and not Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé or Kiss's Beth.

If everyone wants the cutoff date to be 1960, that's okay with me. There are plenty of great pre-1960 old fogey songs. :)

I haven't decided on my nominations yet, so it's okay with me either way. (You didn't really think that I would ever nominate a KISS song, did you? :rolleyes: )

Citizen Rules

04-08-16, 09:10 PM

Everybody loves Kiss's Beth;)

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 09:18 PM

Everybody loves Kiss's Beth;)

"Like" maybe, but "love" is a strong word. :skeptical:

Citizen Rules

04-08-16, 09:25 PM

Joking of course:D, I don't like Beth either.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 09:29 PM

Joking of course:D, I don't like Beth either.

I don't dislike "Beth". It's one of the few KISS songs that I can tolerate.

Citizen Rules

04-08-16, 09:37 PM

I don't even like KISS, never have.

TONGO

04-08-16, 09:37 PM

I say 1949 and below.

gbgoodies

04-08-16, 09:44 PM

I say 1949 and below.

I'll agree with the majority decision if most people want to use 1950 as the cutoff date. I just think there are a lot of great songs from the 1950s, and even the early 1960s, that wouldn't be eligible if we limit it too much.

Citizen Rules

04-08-16, 09:47 PM

Tongo, why 1949 and below?

Kaplan

04-09-16, 09:33 AM

TONGO

04-09-16, 10:12 AM

Tongo, why 1949 and below?

I just dont regard the 50's and 60's as the old fogey era, especially not the 60s! Hey, thats just my vote. It would have been cool if we produced a thread with a truly unique sound to it, and people posting, listing, etc...stuff from 50s and 60s may come off as typical.

mojofilter

04-09-16, 10:27 AM

I'm not familiar with 1940's music and anything before.
I'm curious, but how old are you guys? :)

christine

04-09-16, 11:03 AM

I'm not familiar with 1940's music and anything before.
I'm curious, but how old are you guys? :)

I'm 59. I guess you're round about the same age as my sons so did you not have grandparents tunes around when you were a kid? It's so easy to explore music now isn't it tho? on Spotify you can get yourself a playlist together and give anything a listen :)

I think Tongo's sentiment is nice as the music would be really different from the usual, but I'm feeling the 50s should be represented, but def not the 60s, and personally I don't think any modern singers either.

What do people think about the Blues? include or not? or not include hard core Blues, like straight up rock n'roll? Stuff like Robert Johnson or Son House where it's one guy on his back step with a guitar , but maybe Billie Holiday singing with a band is ok?

To be honest I'm fine going along with everyone about things like that, but I still think we should have a cut off. 1960 works really well, as Dylan would be excluded as he's not old fogey music!

mojofilter

04-09-16, 11:30 AM

I'm 59. I guess you're round about the same age as my sons so did you not have grandparents tunes around when you were a kid? It's so easy to explore music now isn't it tho? on Spotify you can get yourself a playlist together and give anything a listen :)

I think Tongo's sentiment is nice as the music would be really different from the usual, but I'm feeling the 50s should be represented, but def not the 60s, and personally I don't think any modern singers either.

What do people think about the Blues? include or not? or not include hard core Blues, like straight up rock n'roll? Stuff like Robert Johnson or Son House where it's one guy on his back step with a guitar , but maybe Billie Holiday singing with a band is ok?

To be honest I'm fine going along with everyone about things like that, but I still think we should have a cut off. 1960 works really well, as Dylan would be excluded as he's not old fogey music!
I'm 38.
The farthest back I've gone with my music explorations is the 1950's. Beyond that I'm clueless, with the exception of maybe a few songs I've heard in movies or commercials from beyond the 50's. My grandfathers died when I was very young so I have no recollection of what their interests were. My grandmothers, on the other hand, were not into western music at all. They were Middle Easterners who listened only to Arabic music.
I think we should include 1950's music in this tourney to give people who are of or closer to my generation a chance to participate. The 1960's can be excluded. The songs that you and others will nominate from the 1940's and beyond will be my chance to further explore the great music of that era.
So what do you all think? Make the cut-off year 1959?

gbgoodies

04-09-16, 01:19 PM

I just dont regard the 50's and 60's as the old fogey era, especially not the 60s! Hey, thats just my vote. It would have been cool if we produced a thread with a truly unique sound to it, and people posting, listing, etc...stuff from 50s and 60s may come off as typical.

I agree that some music from the 50's and 60's aren't old fogey music, but some of it is, and those songs should be eligible.

For example, do you think this song (from 1962) would be considered old fogey music?

Steve Lawrence - Go Away, Little Girl (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9l--WWFwMg)

I'm not familiar with 1940's music and anything before.
I'm curious, but how old are you guys? :)

I'll be 50 next month, but I've been listening to old fogey music most of my life.
.

gbgoodies

04-09-16, 01:27 PM

I'm going to assume Tongo is referring to the fact that even by the very early 50s, the elements of rock and rock were starting to emerge and become prevalent across all sorts of popular music genres, even in music we today wouldn't think of as rock. So it would be very hard picking and choosing what qualifies and what doesn't for this tournament. The problem is there is still a lot of music from the 50s that is very decidedly not rock and roll and should be included. But without a doubt some people are going to nominate things that have a certain rock and roll sound, so it really depends on what kind of tournament you want. I don't think it should be a big deal. The big deal would be allowing modern artists, because once you make one exception, you're going to have to defend not allowing loads of other artists, who technically are performing music appropriate for that era.

I'm okay with any cutoff date, as long as there is one.

This is the problem that I've been trying to figure out how to find a solution. I think we may have to use a "loose" cutoff date of 1960, but allow people to object to some nominations. If there are any objections, we can discuss them and make a group decision as to whether or not it would be eligible. (If we do this, it would take at least 3 people to object to a nomination for it to be deemed ineligible, so one person wouldn't have the power to remove a nom.)

If I post the thread for nominations when the British Song Tournament starts, we should have enough time for people to post their nominations and discuss them if there are any issues.

TONGO

04-09-16, 01:42 PM

I guess 1959 would be a good date. :up:

gbgoodies

04-09-16, 02:04 PM

I'm pretty much on my way out the door, and I won't be back until late tonight, but meanwhile, read this post and let me know your thoughts about it:

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1492349#post1492349

I'm trying to figure out a way to be fair to everyone, and this might be a way to do that. I'm also open to suggestions if anyone has anything they think might be a good idea.

Also, think about whether or not you want music from classic movie musicals and Broadway showtunes to be eligible for this tournament, or if we should leave that for a separate tournament. And whether those songs should be allowed if they're not the original versions.

christine

04-09-16, 02:36 PM

I'm 38.
The farthest back I've gone with my music explorations is the 1950's. Beyond that I'm clueless, with the exception of maybe a few songs I've heard in movies or commercials from beyond the 50's. My grandfathers died when I was very young so I have no recollection of what their interests were. My grandmothers, on the other hand, were not into western music at all. They were Middle Easterners who listened only to Arabic music.
I think we should include 1950's music in this tourney to give people who are of or closer to my generation a chance to participate. The 1960's can be excluded. The songs that you and others will nominate from the 1940's and beyond will be my chance to further explore the great music of that era.
So what do you all think? Make the cut-off year 1959?

I guess 1959 would be a good date. :up:

I'm good with 1959 too :up:

I'm ok with show tunes and classic movie musical songs to be included. It's not like there's going to be loads of them. I'm also ok if you guys want to exclude them cos you want a tournament in future. No prob either way for me.

Mojo - 1930/40/50s Arabic music noms??

TONGO

04-09-16, 02:38 PM

That dont mean I aint gonna try to find the ooooold stuff though :) Actually looking forward to looking for it as you just dont hear old fogey music broadcast now, at all.

christine

04-09-16, 02:50 PM

Looking forward to hearing some very old stuff Tongo. I'm prob going to include some too :)

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 03:53 PM

Should we have a cutoff date, or not?

If so, should it be based on the artist, or the song? (Should we allow current artists like Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé, etc. who sing old songs?)

And if we have a cutoff date, what year should be the cutoff?
I still think 1960 would be the best cutoff. Mainly because there are a lot of songs that I think people would think of as "old fogey" (say, perhaps a Sinatra song) and it was actually recorded in the 1950's and not earlier.

As for artists, I don't know. It wouldn't bother me if it was a more modern artist so long as the artist recorded something that was written before 1959. I had a couple picked out, but I have now cut them from the list. But I will go along with what others want.

I'm not familiar with 1940's music and anything before.
I'm curious, but how old are you guys? :)
As I have said many times, a lady just doesn't reveal her age. ;) But I am close to your age. And what is being considered old fogey around here is my musical preference over everything else that has ever been recorded. I knew all of the "classics" of the eras that are being discussed, but I really got into this music when I was about 12. That is when I discovered WOKY. It was the greatest radio station. I was hooked from then on.

Also, as I said before, I nominated this in a tournament:K-K-K-Katy - Billy Murray (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAAkrI-aaOE&nohtml5=False)
Now, THAT is old fogey! :D Heck! I went even further and nominated "Battle Cry of Freedom". :D It did fairly well, too. :p

The farthest back I've gone with my music explorations is the 1950's. Beyond that I'm clueless, with the exception of maybe a few songs I've heard in movies or commercials from beyond the 50's.
Well, two things. Why not nominate the few songs that you know from those commercials and movies? And also, this tournament may be a very good thing for you. It will let you become more experienced with this music.

Also, think about whether or not you want music from classic movie musicals and Broadway showtunes to be eligible for this tournament, or if we should leave that for a separate tournament. And whether those songs should be allowed if they're not the original versions.
I think you know my opinion on it. But I really think it would be a little unfair to the showtunes (be it movie or Broadway) to include them into this. I think they really should have their own tournament. I would rather this be a tournament showcasing these artists that don't normally get nominated for anything and wouldn't normally have a chance at winning anything. BUT if one of the artists nominated does happen to sing a song that was originally from a show, or movie, why not let the person nominate it? After all, it isn't the original show recording, and it is just that artist's interpretation of that song.

Besides, if someone knows a song, and wants to nominate it, but they didn't know it was originally from a musical, it isn't their fault, and they shouldn't be barred from nominating it. Also, there are so many songs from that time that were originally from musicals recorded by so many artists that it is kind hard to avoid them.

And I have cut my 27 down to 21. :D I think I said I cut it down to 26 songs before, but I discovered another one that I added to the list. So, I have only cut 6 songs out and added one. :D

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 04:07 PM

MoJo you should join. I'm clueless about most music. My parents or grandparents never listened to music. Besides the big names like Sinatra or Dean Martin etc, I really don't know many old fogey songs at all. So what I will do is just google songs or artist or genres, then listen to them, and pick the ones I like. On the top of my head I couldn't name more than a few songs. So no worries, me and you are in the same boat:p

Kaplan

04-09-16, 04:18 PM

What do people think about the Blues? include or not? or not include hard core Blues, like straight up rock n'roll? Stuff like Robert Johnson or Son House where it's one guy on his back step with a guitar , but maybe Billie Holiday singing with a band is ok?

Absolutely the blues should be included, including Robert Johnson and Son House. Especially those two. You can't get more primitive than that, and that is why I wanted to join the tournament in the first place. I wanted a tournament for acoustic blues, old timey folk, and old country. I was never interested in a tournament strictly for easy listening pop from the 40s and 50s.

As for the question of show tunes, I don't mind songs from musicals, but why not make a limit per person, so one person isn't nominating eight show tunes?

TONGO

04-09-16, 04:25 PM

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 04:35 PM

Agreed about MoJo, even though this isnt his niche, the fact hes a musician gives the thread some credibility. Ill be googling too. :yup:
The fact that I can sing, does that help with the thread, too? :D

Kaplan

04-09-16, 05:17 PM

As for artists, I don't know. It wouldn't bother me if it was a more modern artist so long as the artist recorded something that was written before 1959. I had a couple picked out, but I have now cut them from the list. But I will go along with what others want.

If the person likes the song, they can chose a version of it from before 1960.

mojofilter

04-09-16, 05:26 PM

So, the general consensus is that the cut-off date would be 1960. I'm all for that!
Who's hosting this thing, again?

cricket

04-09-16, 05:30 PM

The fact that I can sing, does that help with the thread, too? :D

Yes, you can nominate yourself if you put it on YouTube.

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 06:21 PM

If the person likes the song, they can chose a version of it from before 1960.
I'm fine with that. I would actually prefer it, but I don't know how everyone else feels about it. Put it this way, I won't argue too much if someone does nominate someone modern that performs the older stuff. I have my final 27 songs picked out (all before 1960) and I am now not overly worried about other's choices. I am getting more focused on narrowing mine down more than anything else.

As for the question of show tunes, I don't mind songs from musicals, but why not make a limit per person, so one person isn't nominating eight show tunes?
I really don't think musicals should be allowed in. Honestly, if we are going to be really specific on a date of the musical artists, then we'd have to be just as specific when it came to musicals. For example, "Guys and Dolls" is originally from 1950. It did very well in the 1992 revival. Now, a person could nominate a song from the '92 cast just because it is from a 1950 musical. But if we are really going to be specific about it, they should nominate a song from the original 1950 cast with Robert Alda instead. If we get to that point, that would really start to complicate things, I think.

As for songs that others recorded that were originally in shows, I have absolutely no problem with them being included. To bring up "Guys and Dolls" again, look at the song "If I Were a Bell". If you listen to the song from a cast recording, it is very much a song from a Broadway musical. But if you listen to Dinah Washington's version, it is a song that you would think was nothing but an original song written for the singer that was never even in a musical. What I like about a lot of the singers/musicians from the past is that they take these songs from those shows and turn them into something that you wouldn't think ever came from something like that. They are so original sounding and they really vary from artist to artist. To use "If I Were a Bell" again, just listen to how it varies from Dinah Washington to Miles Davis to Dinah Shore.

Anyway, I just don't think musicals should be included. I, for one, do not think they fall into the old fogey group at all. Musicals, of all kinds, are still just too popular today. It should have its own tournament.

Who's hosting this thing, again?
Gbgoodies

Yes, you can nominate yourself if you put it on YouTube.
:) Well, I don't know if Kaplan would approve because I am not from before 1960. :D Anyway, I have sung enough of the music that we are gearing towards, and I have sung quite a bit of musical theater, but, unfortunately, I think my voice is more operatic. It wouldn't fit into what we are talking about here. :nope:

Besides, I don't want to sing any of these unless I can be backed up by a big band! And I haven't the vaguest idea of where to obtain one of those. :D

Kaplan

04-09-16, 06:57 PM

I really don't think musicals should be allowed in. Honestly, if we are going to be really specific on a date of the musical artists, then we'd have to be just as specific when it came to musicals. For example, "Guys and Dolls" is originally from 1950. It did very well in the 1992 revival. Now, a person could nominate a song from the '92 cast just because it is from a 1950 musical. But if we are really going to be specific about it, they should nominate a song from the original 1950 cast with Robert Alda instead. If we get to that point, that would really start to complicate things, I think.

I don't see the problem. :shrug:Only the recordings from before 1960 would be allowed, if I have my way. And whatever people decide about the cutoff date is fine, but if there isn't a cutoff date, I have no interest in participating. I'm not trying to be a jerk, because either way is fine, I'd just like to know.

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:11 PM

I agree with Kap. In fact I think most of us agree with a cutoff date.

I think we're starting to over analyze stuff. I don't want a huge set of rules, just pre 1960 songs and no rock n roll... I just want to start this!:p

mojofilter

04-09-16, 07:18 PM

Here are my picks for now. I'm listing them now so nobody else will take them :)

Bobby Darin - Beyond The Sea (1959) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8OlDPqYBLw)
Buddy Holly - Everyday (1957) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ty31QY5ZGHo)
The Chordettes - Lollipop (1958) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A0kd-w7Xwd8)
The Crew-Cuts - Sh-Boom (1954) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9G0-4TWwew)
The Del-Vikings - Come Go With Me (1956) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOZAupq9NA)
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong - Dream A Little Dream Of Me (1950) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhSM17a8OA)
Elvis Presley - Blue Moon (1954) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w2LgHZuEMf8&nohtml5=False)
The Everly Brothers - All I Have To Do Is Dream (1958) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tbU3zdAgiX8&nohtml5=False)
Frank Sinatra - Oh! Look At Me Now (1941) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2JU_j-8h6s&nohtml5=False)
The Ink Spots - I Cover The Waterfront (1939) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mukdBRNOrpY)
Nat King Cole - Unforgettable (1952) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w2LgHZuEMf8&nohtml5=False)

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:25 PM

It might be nice to include the year of release for the song.

mojofilter

04-09-16, 07:32 PM

It might be nice to include the year of release for the song.
Done!

TONGO

04-09-16, 07:33 PM

1936 - The Way You Look Tonight - Fred Astaire (Swing Time).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIW_Ah0wg-w

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:36 PM

I like that Fred Astaire song and I'm OK if we use songs from movies.

GBG can you please give us a final ruling on what is in or out so we can select our songs?

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 07:38 PM

I think we're starting to over analyze stuff. I don't want a huge set of rules, just pre 1960 songs and no rock n roll... I just want to start this!:p
I'm not over-analyzing. I just desperately want musicals to have its own thing. :D

It might be nice to include the year of release for the song.
But you really have to make me put extra work into this, don't you? :rolleyes: You know it takes a lot of effort for me to have to look up the exact date and add that with the song. :p But I will do it to make you happy. :D

Bobby Darin - Beyond The Sea (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8OlDPqYBLw)
I did consider this one when the idea of this first came up. It is my absolute favorite of his, but I figured that someone else might get their hands on it first, anyway, and so I decided to drop it. But it seems that you were the lucky one to snag it. ;)
Buddy Holly - Everyday (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ty31QY5ZGHo)
Just because I know you weren't a part of the second Getting To Know You Tournament, I have to let you know that I have my Buddy Holly obsession (no, folks, I won't bring it up here again - I just wanted to tell Mojo this). I love this song so much!!! I nominated it in that tournament. It is one of my all-time favorites. It is the kind of song that is so good to me that I could cry over it. :p
The Crew-Cuts - Sh-Boom (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9G0-4TWwew)
You want to know something crazy? I read the title of this, and I swear that the song went through my mind as soon as I saw it and I bet it will be stuck in my head for the rest of the night for sure. :tsk:
The Del-Vikings - Come Go With Me (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOZAupq9NA)
:up: Fantastic song!

TONGO

04-09-16, 07:40 PM

Mojo was saying hes picking those so nobody else can. Are we supposed to pick songs, or artists? Ive never done a tournament before. Survivor doesnt count.

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:42 PM

I'm not over-analyzing. I just desperately want musicals to have its own thing. :D I'm totally with you on that. We just have to convince GBG that we should do it and that can be hard:eek:

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 07:42 PM

I like that Fred Astaire song and I'm OK if we use songs from movies.
But the song is from a movie that is a musical. :) Are we going to be using songs from musicals?

I won't be, but I can't argue, I guess if others do. But I don't really get why they'd want to. Especially if there is a possibility of a musical tournament.

But whatever! I don't care anymore. I have enough stress to worry about choosing between my 25 songs. Yes, oh, yes, I cut two more songs since I posted about it earlier. :D

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:43 PM

Mojo was saying hes picking those so nobody else can. Are we supposed to pick songs, or artists? Ive never done a tournament before. Survivor doesnt count.Both, you pick a song by an artist (and don't forget the date;))

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 07:43 PM

Mojo was saying hes picking those so nobody else can. Are we supposed to pick songs, or artists? Ive never done a tournament before. Survivor doesnt count.
Songs. Unless, of course, you'd like all of your songs performed by the same artist. :)

christine

04-09-16, 07:44 PM

Tongo you pick a song and an artist but you have to put a link to a performance of that song by that artist

Kaplan

04-09-16, 07:45 PM

Just because this tournament may include some songs from musicals doesn't mean there can't be a separate tournament later. You know, just stating the obvious.

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:45 PM

But the song is from a movie that is a musical. :) Are we going to be using songs from musicals?What?:p

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 07:46 PM

Obviously.

But I, personally, don't have much interest in listening to musical music right now.

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 07:50 PM

I usually like musical music too;) (just teasin ya Vamp, I'm in good mood and have a bad case of the giggles)

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 07:54 PM

What?:p
:D Meaning, that specific song that was posted - that specific performance - is from a movie musical. And if musicals weren't going to be allowed in, then that specific version couldn't be nominated.
I am probably still talking gibberish, aren't I? :p If I am, that is nothing new. You know how it is for me. You should be used to it by now. :D

I think Fred Astaire recorded a separate version of that song, though.

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 08:07 PM

I've got a good list of songs together and it's going to be reaaaaal tough, deciding on which ones to go with. This should be fun! and GBG where are you? I'm going outside and dig some holes.

mojofilter

04-09-16, 08:37 PM

I added this song as a bonus nom
Ol' Man River by Ray Charles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sx5APtFy6w&nohtml5=False

I tried to find what year it was released, but can't find it anywhere. If anybody can find out, please share, just to make sure it qualifies as an "old fogey" song.

mojofilter

04-09-16, 08:40 PM

I'm not over-analyzing. I just desperately want musicals to have its own thing. :D

But you really have to make me put extra work into this, don't you? :rolleyes: You know it takes a lot of effort for me to have to look up the exact date and add that with the song. :p But I will do it to make you happy. :D

I did consider this one when the idea of this first came up. It is my absolute favorite of his, but I figured that someone else might get their hands on it first, anyway, and so I decided to drop it. But it seems that you were the lucky one to snag it. ;)

Just because I know you weren't a part of the second Getting To Know You Tournament, I have to let you know that I have my Buddy Holly obsession (no, folks, I won't bring it up here again - I just wanted to tell Mojo this). I love this song so much!!! I nominated it in that tournament. It is one of my all-time favorites. It is the kind of song that is so good to me that I could cry over it. :p

You want to know something crazy? I read the title of this, and I swear that the song went through my mind as soon as I saw it and I bet it will be stuck in my head for the rest of the night for sure. :tsk:

:up: Fantastic song!
I've always loved those songs by Bobby, Buddy, and the Del-Vikings.
The latter 2 songs, as well as the song Lollipop, are some of my favorite songs because of the movie Stand By Me.

mojofilter

04-09-16, 08:56 PM

Mojo - 1930/40/50s Arabic music noms??
I'm not really that into Arabic music, but there are specific songs and artists that I appreciate. Now that you mention, I might include an Arabic song as a bonus nom for now

TONGO

04-09-16, 09:07 PM

Ok how many do I put together, 50? 25? Im gonna try and dig up some unheard fossils, may take awhile.

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 09:21 PM

I added this song as a bonus nom
Ol' Man River by Ray Charles

I tried to find what year it was released, but can't find it anywhere. If anybody can find out, please share, just to make sure it qualifies as an "old fogey" song.
The song is from "Show Boat", which is from 1927. So the song itself is definitely "old fogey". But the Ray Charles version is from 1963.

I've always loved those songs by Bobby, Buddy, and the Del-Vikings.
The latter 2 songs, as well as the song Lollipop, are some of my favorite songs because of the movie Stand By Me.
You may have given me an idea with one of your nominations. :) One of the songs that I REALLY wanted to nominate was actually recorded in 1962. All this time I thought it was from about 1958. So that was a disappointment. :( But if I don't find a suitable replacement for it, I just may go with the idea that you have inadvertently given me. :)

Ok how many do I put together, 50? 25? Im gonna try and dig up some unheard fossils, may take awhile.
Put together a list of 8 songs. But I think everyone has some extras picked out just in case they will need them.

I'm going outside and dig some holes.
I don't know why this was funny to me, but it was. :D

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1492555#post1492555)
I'm going outside and dig some holes.
I don't know why this was funny to me, but it was. :D:D You know it's actually true. I'm planting a screen between me and the neighbors. I've been planting trees for the last few weeks. I dug about 9 holes today, ugh! Some are easy, some are hard because of all the rocks and tree roots. Right now I'm covered in sun screen, sweat and dirt. That's probably more than you wanted to know:eek:

mojofilter

04-09-16, 09:41 PM

The song is from "Show Boat", which is from 1927. So the song itself is definitely "old fogey". But the Ray Charles version is from 1963.

Ok, I took it out.
Thanks!

TONGO

04-09-16, 09:51 PM

So I cant do a classical tune because theres no vid of the original composer performing it?

Godoggo

04-09-16, 09:54 PM

Ok, I'm in and I think I have a good idea what is wanted as far as nominations go. My question is this: are we going to start a new thread to put our nominations in? This thread is already a monster and it is going to be a bitch to go back and find nominations. I've seen one set of moms, but no more. Are those the only noms so far?

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 10:15 PM

I'm guessing GBG will start a new thread. I posted 4 of my noms earlier but if I can finish my list I will post all 8 soon.

SilentVamp

04-09-16, 11:21 PM

I'm guessing GBG will start a new thread. I posted 4 of my noms earlier but if I can finish my list I will post all 8 soon.
Where did you post them? I have been trying to find them and I just can't. I have looked and looked and I can't find them anywhere. :p

Anyway, I've now narrowed it down to 12 songs. I am just thinking that I may post them tonight and get it over with. That way the songs are done and I no longer have to think about them. :)

Citizen Rules

04-09-16, 11:57 PM

Here's my complete list of noms with a couple of spares

Sentimental Journey ~ Les Brown Orchestra with Doris Day (1945) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h20YomuQ-XQ)

Bing Crosby - Swinging On A Star (1944) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9CDs067081E)

The Andrews Sisters - Rum and Coca Cola (1956) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxL2uNr7bk)

Betty Hutton - Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (1945) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zZYYqQInrDg)

Dinah Shore - Buttons And Bows (1948) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW9-0EzYxA)

Teresa Brewer - Music Music Music (1950) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HXYwP6PNYRA)

Jo Stafford - You Belong To Me (1952) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zQfF84ackMM)

Frankie Carle Orchesta & Marjorie Hughes - Little Jack Frost Get Lost (1947)
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn8eHxesJTE&nohtml5)
Sing Sing Sing - Benny Goodman (1937) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyhP_5VfKM)

Baby It's Cold Outside - Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Jordan (1949) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NQblIexi-eQ)

(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQAlHpPSNU)

SilentVamp

04-10-16, 12:07 AM

Dinah Shore - Buttons And Bows (1948) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW9-0EzYxA)
I was considering nominating this one. :D

I will go ahead and post mine. Might as well, right? :)

SilentVamp

04-10-16, 12:43 AM

My nominations:

Lean Baby - Frank Sinatra (1953) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dzY6c4YLl2U&nohtml5=False)
Personality - Johnny Mercer & The Pied Pipers (1945) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTPsumjfTA&nohtml5=False)
Walkin' My Baby Back Home - Nat 'King' Cole (1951) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUlKtLG7rGY)
Cincinnati Dancing Pig - Vic Damone (1950) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bSJNv4eaBEM)
My Truly, Truly Fair - Vic Damone (1951) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqDG9IwGIo&nohtml5=False)
Ole Buttermilk Sky - Hoagy Carmichael (1946) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fOgrjd9NKF0)
Hallelujah! - Nat Shilkret and the Victor Orchestra (1927) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKFKCtbBgIU&nohtml5=False)
On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe - Tommy Dorsey Orchestra and His Orchestra (1945) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgQ0CWXtuI&nohtml5=False)

My extras nominations:
It Doesn't Matter Anymore - Buddy Holly (1959) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOTv9jY4X5E&nohtml5=False)
On the Street Where You Live - Vic Damone (1956) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8R0Kq448rxc)
Pistol Packin' Mama - Bing Crosby and The Andrew Sisters (1943) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PjgqQcKE3DY&nohtml5=False)

I know I may not need any of those extras, but I thought I'd include them just in case. :)

Also, just a note to Gbgoodies. :) I posted the correct song title to "Ole Buttermilk Sky" as opposed to what the video says. I am only telling you in case you think I made that mistake. :)

And to christine: See! I gave in and nominated a Nat 'King' Cole song! Again! :D

I kind of hate how I have no 1930's represented in here, but then I realized that the NKC song was written in 1930. So, I will consider that song to be my representation. :)

Yes, Mojo, your nomination of a Buddy Holly song helped me think of this one. :) I am just going to keep it as an extra for now, though.

And it shouldn't be a surprise to a couple of you that I got Vic Damone into this. :)

mojofilter

04-10-16, 01:53 AM

Here are my updated picks for now. I've listed 11 songs.

Bobby Darin - Beyond The Sea (1959) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8OlDPqYBLw)
Buddy Holly - Everyday (1957) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ty31QY5ZGHo)
The Chordettes - Lollipop (1958) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A0kd-w7Xwd8)
The Crew-Cuts - Sh-Boom (1954) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9G0-4TWwew)
The Del-Vikings - Come Go With Me (1956) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOZAupq9NA)
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong - Dream A Little Dream Of Me (1950) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhSM17a8OA)
Elvis Presley - Blue Moon (1954) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w2LgHZuEMf8&nohtml5=False)
The Everly Brothers - All I Have To Do Is Dream (1958) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tbU3zdAgiX8&nohtml5=False)
Frank Sinatra - Oh! Look At Me Now (1941) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2JU_j-8h6s&nohtml5=False)
The Ink Spots - I Cover The Waterfront (1939) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mukdBRNOrpY)
Nat King Cole - Unforgettable (1952) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w2LgHZuEMf8&nohtml5=False)

TONGO

04-10-16, 02:01 AM

3 so far...

In The Mood - Glen Miller - 1939
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=SRglenn%20miller%20in%20the%20mood&v=_CI-0E_jses

Summertime - Billie Holliday - 1936
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysow1wXWyvE

I feel bad putting a 1959 song on my list. Ill get over it :)
Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin - 1959
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNCBPk7_TsE

Godoggo

04-10-16, 02:21 AM

Can someone remind me how to put words in the link? So they ar me like Mojo's. I can't seem to get it to work.

mark f

04-10-16, 02:29 AM

hi (https://hi.co/bundles/hitomain/images/hi_big.png?v=1459274684)
Quote me to see how I did it.

Godoggo

04-10-16, 02:36 AM

Got it. Thanks!

Godoggo

04-10-16, 02:39 AM

Ok, I'll be editing my nominations in here, but I will happily move them later so Gbg doesn't have to hunt all over the place for them.

My Boy Lollipop~Barbie Gaye~1956 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OYZ1PZtV0)
Somewhere Over the Rainbow~Judy Garland~1939 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U016JWYUDdQ)
I put a Spell on You~Screamin' Jay Hawkins~1956 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PwXai-sgM-s)
Snake Baked a Hoecake~Peggy Seeger~1957 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zSuvKi24bb4)
The Ghost Song~Salty Holmes~1957 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nByFPMVrUB0)

Citizen Rules

04-10-16, 03:16 AM

Tongo you have good taste! Such good taste in fact that you choose one of my songs:) Sing, Sing, Sing - Benny Goodman - 1935...Sorry you'll have to pick another.

When you post your links change the www. to m. that way it doesn't embed a video.

gbgoodies

04-10-16, 05:06 AM

Wow, you guys have been busy today. I'm still going through this thread, but here are a few quick thoughts:

1) It looks like the consensus seems to be that most people want a cutoff date of 1960, so we'll use 1960 as a cutoff date, but if it's okay with you guys, I'd like that to be a "loose" 1960. What I mean by that is if there's a song that you want to nominate that's close to 1960 (within a few years), ask, and it might get approved if most people don't object to it.

For example, I noticed that Mojo wanted to nominate "Ol' Man River" by Ray Charles (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sx5APtFy6w), but it's from 1963. I think that song should be eligible because A) it's close enough, and B) it's definitely an "old fogey" type of song. So if there aren't a bunch of objections, I would allow Mojo to nominate that song.

2) In reference to current artists who sing old fogey style music, the consensus seems to be that most people don't want to allow these newer artists, so they're out for this tournament. If you like their songs, try to find the same song by an artist who recorded it before 1960.

3) In reference to movie musicals/Broadway showtunes, we seem to have enough people who want to eventually allow these songs to have their own tournament, so the original movie and/or Broadway/stage versions of these songs are out, but if we don't have a bunch of objections, I'd like to allow other artists' versions of these songs in this tournament. However, as Kaplan suggested, I'd like to also limit them so we don't get overrun with them. I think a limit of 1 or 2 of these songs per person should be a fair compromise.

4) I noticed that some people have started posting their nominations in this thread. You're welcome to continue doing this, but I will start a new thread for nominations and the actual tournament. I was going to wait until the British Song Tournament started to avoid confusion, but if you guys are ready for it, I can start it within the next day or two. (I would do it now, but it's been a long day, and I'm exhausted right now.)

As people start nominating songs, if anyone has any objections that any of the nominations are not "old fogey" music, you can either post your concerns in the thread, or send me a PM about it and I'll post about it to see if other people have the same objection, and then we'll make a decision together about whether or not the song should be eligible. (I will keep your objections anonymous if you'd like.)

To be honest, there were a few songs nominated already that I don't really think fit the old fogey theme because they're more rock n roll and/or pop, but if nobody else has these same objections, they're close enough that I'll allow the noms to stay.

5) A few people have referenced Big Band and/or Jazz songs. I'm not an expert in these areas, but they certainly sound like old fogey music to me, so as long as there aren't a bunch of objections, they are eligible for this tournament.

gbgoodies

04-10-16, 05:18 AM

I'm too tired to finish reading this thread right now, so I'll finish tomorrow, but for those of you who are already posting your noms, you can start with eight (8) noms, but have a few backups ready just in case you need them. If we don't have enough people when we're ready to start the tournament, you may be able to nominate an extra song or two. (You can post your extra noms here so you don't lose them, but there's no guarantee that you'll get more than your first eight noms.)

To link your video, highlight the song/artist name, and click on the link button above, (the one that looks like the Earth with a little chain link below it). Then paste the YouTube link into the box, but change the "www" part of the link to the letter "m" so it doesn't embed the video.

christine

04-10-16, 06:26 AM

I'm not posting mine till the Brit tournament is nearly finished, don't forget we haven't even finished the Millennium one yet. I posted my Brit ones too early cos without looking I could barely tell you what I chose. So you guys, you can always change the choices you've already made. They're not set in stone till GBG says so just before the tournament starts.

Kaplan

04-10-16, 09:03 AM

Ok, I'll be editing my nominations in here, but I will happily move them later so Gbg doesn't have to hunt all over the place for them.

Anything goes~Cole Porter 193? (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd1w5tn040g)

If you don't mind, I was hoping to nominate "Anything Goes" and I posted it here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1489881#post1489881), and I understood that sort of "held" the song for the person. I will look at some other Cole Porter songs, and maybe there's one I want to nominate more, but just to let you know...

Citizen Rules

04-10-16, 01:05 PM

That all sounds fair and logical, GBG. I didn't realize so many people were in other song tournaments. If too many tournaments are started at the same time, people tend to drop out. Three at a time might be one too many tournaments. So I won't be in a rush to start this:)

I removed:
Down Argentine Way - Betty Grable & Don Ameche (1940) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQAlHpPSNU)
from my list as that was directly from a movie. I hope songs that might have been used at one time in a movie BUT were mainly known as songs played on the radio are OK. I image lots of ours songs at one time or another were used in a movie but I would think that would be OK as it's different than say, Down Argentine Way which is directly from the movie of the same name (BTW I'm saving that song for the Showtunes & Movie Musial tournament:p

Jazz being allowed is like cool with me;) From a historical stand point Jazz was never old fogey. Jazz is what the Beatniks listened to in smoke filled coffee clubs. It's the antithesis of old fogey. But yes please allow it.:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7q1Elz2c_ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7q1Elz2c_I)

Kaplan

04-10-16, 05:03 PM

Jazz being allowed is like cool with me;) From a historical stand point Jazz was never old fogey. Jazz is what the Beatniks listened to in smoke filled coffee clubs. It's the antithesis of old fogey. But yes please allow it.:)

Actually, I'd argue the opposite. Jazz has always been sophisticated and intended for hip, mature folks. It was never meant for easy consumption by the teen crowd, daddy-o.

TONGO

04-10-16, 05:53 PM

4 so far...

In The Mood - Glen Miller - 1939
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=SRglenn%20miller%20in%20the%20mood&v=_CI-0E_jses

Summertime - Billie Holliday - 1936
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysow1wXWyvE

I feel bad putting a 1959 song on my list. Ill get over it :)
Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin - 1959
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNCBPk7_TsE

The Platters - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - 1958
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2di83WAOhU

5

The Way You Look Tonight - Arthur Tracy - 1937
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJxm_RN4-g

Citizen Rules

04-10-16, 06:05 PM

Actually, I'd argue the opposite. Jazz has always been sophisticated and intended for hip, mature folks. It was never meant for easy consumption by the teen crowd, daddy-o. I actually agree with you, teens didn't go for jazz in the 50s. Jazz was for a hipper, more mature crowd. But if you've seen The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis, you'd see that Bob Denver's character Maynard G. Krebs, is a very hip cat. None of the other teens listen to or like jazz on the show, but Maynard lives for jazz.

Godoggo

04-10-16, 06:50 PM

If you don't mind, I was hoping to nominate "Anything Goes" and I posted it here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1489881#post1489881), and I understood that sort of "held" the song for the person. I will look at some other Cole Porter songs, and maybe there's one I want to nominate more, but just to let you know...

No problem, Kap. You understood correctly and I will take it out. I'm running out the door at the moment, but it will be removed tonight: 👍

Edit* I went ahead and removed it.

Kaplan

04-10-16, 07:24 PM

Here's what I'm probably going to nominate. I'll fill in the links later:

Anything Goes - Cole Porter
The Cat Came Back-Cisco Houston
Big Rock Candy Mountain-Harry McClintock
Ghost Riders in the Sky-Burl Ives
House of the Rising Sun-Leadbelly
My Funny Valentine-Anita O'Day
Singin' in the Rain-Gene Kelly
Cry Me a River-Ella Fitzgerald
Extras:
'Round Midnight - Thelonious Monk
Grinnin' in Your Face-Son House

TONGO

04-10-16, 07:31 PM

Agh! You snagged Ghost Riders In The Sky!

This is kind of like The Voice.

Kaplan

04-10-16, 07:37 PM

Agh! You snagged Ghost Riders In The Sky!

This is kind of like The Voice.

Sorry. It was exactly the kind of music I was thinking of when this tournament was announced. But Burl Ives has other great songs.

cricket

04-10-16, 07:41 PM

Marty Robbins-El Paso (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R-y3DB0wLh4)

Cab Calloway-Minnie the Moocher (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8mq4UT4VnbE)

Doris Day-Que Sera Sera (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg)

Benny Bell-Shaving Cream (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G8ffkDf0ol4)

Johnny Preston-Running Bear (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kz42oFVBNg)

Jimmie Rodgers-In the Jailhouse Now (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3L2qf3q-ok)

Patti Page-Old Cape Cod (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HT2ao0rcxoA)

Jimmie Davis-You are My Sunshine (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GiRDVArEKL0)

SilentVamp

04-10-16, 07:45 PM

1) It looks like the consensus seems to be that most people want a cutoff date of 1960, so we'll use 1960 as a cutoff date, but if it's okay with you guys, I'd like that to be a "loose" 1960. What I mean by that is if there's a song that you want to nominate that's close to 1960 (within a few years), ask, and it might get approved if most people don't object to it
Well, there was a song from 1962 that I'd planned on nominating this entire time. But I actually thought the song was from the late 50's (it has that sound more). Anyway, it would've been a definite nomination from me, but I replaced it with that Buddy Holly song (you'll approve of the Holly song, gbg, it isn't rock 'n roll at all :)), but I am using the Buddy Holly song as an extra for now. And I don't know if I want to get rid of any of the songs that I have as definite nominations. It is just too bad that you didn't post this yesterday because my list would be different today. :) But I think I am going to maybe use the song some other time. I don't know yet.

For example, I noticed that Mojo wanted to nominate "Ol' Man River" by Ray Charles (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sx5APtFy6w), but it's from 1963. I think that song should be eligible because A) it's close enough, and B) it's definitely an "old fogey" type of song. So if there aren't a bunch of objections, I would allow Mojo to nominate that song.
I never would've objected to it. I don't care. And you know why I really didn't have a problem with it? The song is from 1927. In fact, there is another 1962 song that I would've liked to have nominated (and this one was written in 1947), but I changed my mind. Now that you are saying this, I am tempted to rearrange my nominations. :) But I won't because I will just save this song for some other possible tournament.

As for what is jazz, there are many forms of it. The one is being nominated a lot in this tournament: big band. Yes, that is jazz. :yup: Jazz isn't just cool lounge music. Just adding my two cents into this. :)

cricket

04-10-16, 07:59 PM

And don't forget folks, just because it's old, that doesn't mean it's old fogey. I smell rock n roll in this thread.

Citizen Rules

04-10-16, 08:06 PM

Doris Day-Que Sera Sera (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg) I'm OK with that song staying in, and in fact I was going to use it myself, but then GBG said no songs from movies and that song was introduced in the The Man who Knew too Much.

cricket

04-10-16, 08:08 PM

I'm OK with that song staying in, and in fact I was going to use it myself, but then GBG said no songs from movies and that song was introduced in the The Man who Knew too Much.

Oh no problem, I didn't read the entire thread. So is Minnie the Moocher out even though it wasn't originally in a movie? And Somewhere Over the Rainbow? How about songs that just happen to be in a movie?

TONGO

04-10-16, 08:09 PM

In The Mood - Glen Miller - 1939
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=SRglenn%20miller%20in%20the%20mood&v=_CI-0E_jses

Summertime - Billie Holliday - 1936
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysow1wXWyvE

Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin - 1959
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNCBPk7_TsE

The Platters - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - 1958
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2di83WAOhU

The Way You Look Tonight - Arthur Tracy - 1937
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJxm_RN4-g

#6
Just A Gigolo / I Aint Got Nobody - Louis Prima - 1956
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNNzTQS05Y&nohtml5=False

Citizen Rules

04-10-16, 08:13 PM

Oh no problem, I didn't read the entire thread. So is Minnie the Moocher out even though it wasn't originally in a movie? And Somewhere Over the Rainbow? How about songs that just happen to be in a movie? I'm fine with Que Sera Sera being in, I was just saying it might not qualify? Only GBG knows.

Minnie the Moocher, great song, I think it should be in. It was in the Blues Brothers but that was not where it originally came from and was after the fact, so I say it stays. (you know that song crossed my mind but before I could look for a link I forgot it again)

cricket

04-10-16, 08:15 PM

If Doris is allowed, you're welcome to use it.

SilentVamp

04-10-16, 08:17 PM

I'm OK with that song staying in, and in fact I was going to use it myself, but then GBG said no songs from movies and that song was introduced in the The Man who Knew too Much.
I took something like "no songs from movies" meaning no songs as performed in the movies. That is Doris Day's own version of it. It isn't the exact version of the song from the movie itself.

Oh no problem, I didn't read the entire thread. So is Minnie the Moocher out even though it wasn't originally in a movie? And Somewhere Over the Rainbow? How about songs that just happen to be in a movie?
I think "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" would be included. Just not the original version from the film itself.

That is how I am interpreting it. I am not speaking for her exactly. :)

cricket

04-10-16, 09:15 PM

Citizen Rules

04-10-16, 10:20 PM

I took something like "no songs from movies" meaning no songs as performed in the movies. That is Doris Day's own version of it. It isn't the exact version of the song from the movie itself.

I think "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" would be included. Just not the original version from the film itself.

That is how I am interpreting it. I am not speaking for her exactly. :) That makes totally sense to me, yes it should stay in.

TONGO

04-10-16, 10:33 PM

In The Mood - Glen Miller - 1939
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=SRglenn%20miller%20in%20the%20mood&v=_CI-0E_jses

Summertime - Billie Holliday - 1936
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysow1wXWyvE

Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin - 1959
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNCBPk7_TsE

The Platters - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - 1958
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2di83WAOhU

The Way You Look Tonight - Arthur Tracy - 1937
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJxm_RN4-g

Just A Gigolo / I Aint Got Nobody - Louis Prima - 1956
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNNzTQS05Y&nohtml5=False

#7

Thanks For The Memories - Bob Hope / Shirley Ross - 1938
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qN1dbRI8rc8

TONGO

04-10-16, 10:50 PM

In The Mood - Glen Miller - 1939
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=SRglenn%20miller%20in%20the%20mood&v=_CI-0E_jses

Summertime - Billie Holliday - 1936
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysow1wXWyvE

Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin - 1959
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNCBPk7_TsE

The Platters - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - 1958
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2di83WAOhU

The Way You Look Tonight - Arthur Tracy - 1937
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJxm_RN4-g

Just A Gigolo / I Aint Got Nobody - Louis Prima - 1956
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNNzTQS05Y&nohtml5=False

Thanks For The Memories - Bob Hope / Shirley Ross - 1938
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qN1dbRI8rc8

and the last one, #8

Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy - Andrew Sisters - 1941
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm1wuKvrxAw

christine

04-11-16, 05:04 AM

SV - just rearrange your list to include the early 60s ones you think fit :)

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:05 AM

While going through the nominations posted in this thread, I'm noticing that there were several songs from musicals that were already nominated, such as "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" by Judy Garland and "Singin' in the Rain" by Gene Kelly. (There may be more. I'm just skimming through the nominations right now, but those are the ones that jumped out at me.)

The options are either asking several people to change a bunch of nominations, or bending the rules a little bit by coming up with a compromise.

How about if each person can have a maximum of only 2 songs from musicals? One song can be the original version, and the second can be a cover version. That should give us a small amount of songs from musicals in this tournament, but still leave plenty of songs for a future tournament dedicated to musicals.

Does that sound fair to everyone, or would you rather have these nominations changed?

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:10 AM

Also, in reference to music from movies, it's only songs from musicals that aren't eligible. If a song was in a movie, but the movie isn't a musical, I think it should be allowed.

For example, songs like "Que Sera Sera" by Doris Day (from The Man Who Knew Too Much), or "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" by The Platters (from Always) are eligible in this tournament.

If anyone has a problem with this, please let me know.

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:27 AM

I'll open the nominations thread tomorrow so anyone who's ready can start posting their nominations. Please limit your nominations to eight (8) guaranteed noms, plus two (2) extra noms in case we need them. So when I open the thread, you can list a total of ten (10) nominations, but please mark which two are your extras. (Some people are posting several extra noms, and I've received a couple of PMs from people who have asked to have the extra noms limited because there are too many extra songs being "reserved".)

You will be allowed to change your noms up until the time to British Song Tournament ends, so that will give you plenty of time to decide on your noms and make sure that you're happy with them before we start. (Remember, that's when the upcoming BRITISH Song Tournament ends, not the current Millennial Song Tournament.)

Also, keep in mind that if someone posted a song in this thread earlier, when we were asking for examples of what old fogey music mean to you, that person has "dibs" on that song. (Please don't be selfish and call "dibs" on a bunch of songs that you don't plan to nominate.) Once you post your nominations list in the new thread, any songs that you posted earlier, but you didn't nominate become eligible for other people to nominate.

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:36 AM

And don't forget folks, just because it's old, that doesn't mean it's old fogey. I smell rock n roll in this thread.

Did you want to elaborate on this statement?

There are several songs already nominated that I felt crossed the line into rock n roll and/or pop, but there haven't been any complaints about them, so I was thinking about just overlooking them because they're on the more mellow side of rock/pop. (There have even been comments about how great a couple of those songs are, but no complaints about them not fitting the old fogey theme.)

If anyone has any objections to any nominations, please let me know.

But keep in mind that it's only a few songs right now, but if the trend of "creeping" into the rock n roll and/or pop genres continues, I'll have to rethink the idea of overlooking them. I don't want this tournament to stray too far from the old fogey theme.

Kaplan

04-11-16, 05:39 AM

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:50 AM

This I completely agree with. But "Singin' in the Rain" was not written for the musical, it was written like twenty-five years earlier, so should be eligible either way. But I've always felt songs from musicals should be eligible, as long as the nominated song appeared on a record.

I vaguely remember hearing the song "Singin' in the Rain" in an earlier movie, and being surprised that it wasn't written for the 1952 movie, but you specifically listed the Gene Kelly version, which would be the movie musical version of the song.

But I'd rather not ask people to change their noms, so I'm trying to find a good compromise. Hopefully by limiting these songs, it will be a way to make everyone happy, and still have enough songs left to have a full musicals tournament at a later date.

Chypmunk

04-11-16, 06:25 AM

cricket

04-11-16, 07:28 AM

Did you want to elaborate on this statement?

There are several songs already nominated that I felt crossed the line into rock n roll and/or pop, but there haven't been any complaints about them, so I was thinking about just overlooking them because they're on the more mellow side of rock/pop. (There have even been comments about how great a couple of those songs are, but no complaints about them not fitting the old fogey theme.)

If anyone has any objections to any nominations, please let me know.

But keep in mind that it's only a few songs right now, but if the trend of "creeping" into the rock n roll and/or pop genres continues, I'll have to rethink the idea of overlooking them. I don't want this tournament to stray too far from the old fogey theme.

Besides being old, I think of old fogey music as being music that an older person would mostly enjoy at the time of its release; you always hear stories about parents warning their kids about The Beatles and Elvis when they came out, but I don't see anything too objectionable here. You do want people to nominate songs they know and like.

TONGO

04-11-16, 11:50 AM

I "get it" why musicals, rock, and pop may be frowned upon in this tournament, this is why I was pushing for 1949 and older. The point of this thread is to compile an Old Fogey sound. Technically they would be eligible, but thats not the point of this thread. Elvis, Beatles, Little Richard, famous musicals.....these very familiar tunes/artists just are not what this thread is about. If any of my 8 fall under rock/pop/musical please let me know and Ill switch them out. :)

Citizen Rules

04-11-16, 01:40 PM

.... Elvis, Beatles, Little Richard, famous musicals.....these very familiar tunes/artists just are not what this thread is about... Tongo speaks truth. I'm OK with everybody fudging say 1 song on their list, but Elvis, Beatles, Little Richard, etc....they're Rock n Rollers, even if they did a ballad, they're not old fogey. Besides aren't we going to do a 50s Rock n Roll tournament someday, please:p And a Showtunes/Musical tournament, pretty please:D...so that's a good reason to exclude those songs for now.

...There are several songs already nominated that I felt crossed the line into rock n roll and/or pop, but there haven't been any complaints about them I didn't really look closely at the other songs, so that's why I didn't comment. But I do think rock n roll has got to go.:D (that was a famous saying in the 50s)

Godoggo

04-11-16, 03:00 PM

I can't find the release date for a song and it's driving me nuts.It sounds old as *hit.

I really don't want to lose Somewhere Over the Rainbow.It's my only nomination I actually like.

TONGO

04-11-16, 03:15 PM

I can't find the release date for a song and it's driving me nuts.It sounds old as *hit.

I really don't want to lose Somewhere Over the Rainbow.It's my only nomination I actually like.

It was written by Harold Arlen & EY Harburg for the Wizard Of Oz in 1939. I just looked it up on Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over_the_Rainbow

Godoggo

04-11-16, 03:26 PM

TONGO

04-11-16, 04:00 PM

Not that one. I tried to space my sentences to indicated I was on a different subject. This other song I am looking for is Train To Satanville by Gin Gillette. It's been covered many times and I can only find release dates for the covers.

Ah, sorry. I wondered cause that was an obvious answer.

Gin Gillette - Train To Satanville - 1961...ew, too new. Seemed like it was older though.

https://www.discogs.com/Gin-Gillette-Train-To-Satanville-Shell-Never-Let-Him-Go/release/6367657

I found it on YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMERel9J7bQ

Godoggo

04-11-16, 04:09 PM

Figures. The search continues. Thanks anyway

mark f

04-11-16, 04:11 PM

Frank Henderson wrote "Train To Satanville" and registered it Feb. 23, 1961. Source (https://books.google.com/books?id=UTMhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA539&lpg=PA539&dq=Train+To+Satanville%09Frank+Henderson&source=bl&ots=BHdZEbLFZs&sig=xvCM-HWAtLWDw73RbeLIZLjkcDY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidg8SIo4fMAhVC7WMKHXGhBWEQ6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=Train%20To%20Satanville%09Frank%20Henderson&f=false) Sorry. :(

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:17 PM

Did say I wouldn't post in this thread anymore but I do just need to pop in and ask why there are limitations being placed on whether or not songs originate from musicals (whether original versions or otherwise)?

Sorry but I really just don't see how any song that actually fits this theme should be deemed ineligible purely because another tournament that suits it may be in the pipeline :shrug:

You're welcome to post in this thread as much as you want, and that's a valid question.

I think I was the first person who suggested including songs from musicals in this tournament, but several people requested excluding them so we can have a full tournament for those songs at a later date. I felt the best thing to do was to compromise and allow a limited amount of songs from musicals in this tournament. That should give us a nice variety of songs in this tournament, and still leave a lot of great songs from musicals for a future tournament.

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:20 PM

I really don't want to lose Somewhere Over the Rainbow.It's my only nomination I actually like.

I changed the rules for songs from musicals to allow each person to nominate one original version and one cover version, so you can keep "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". :)

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:26 PM

I can't find the release date for a song and it's driving me nuts.It sounds old as *hit.

This other song I am looking for is Train To Satanville by Gin Gillette. It's been covered many times and I can only find release dates for the covers.

Gin Gillette - Train To Satanville - 1961...ew, too new. Seemed like it was older though.

https://www.discogs.com/Gin-Gillette-Train-To-Satanville-Shell-Never-Let-Him-Go/release/6367657

I found it on YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMERel9J7bQ

Figures. The search continues. Thanks anyway

Frank Henderson wrote "Train To Satanville" and registered it Feb. 23, 1961. Source (https://books.google.com/books?id=UTMhAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA539&lpg=PA539&dq=Train+To+Satanville%09Frank+Henderson&source=bl&ots=BHdZEbLFZs&sig=xvCM-HWAtLWDw73RbeLIZLjkcDY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidg8SIo4fMAhVC7WMKHXGhBWEQ6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=Train%20To%20Satanville%09Frank%20Henderson&f=false) Sorry. :(

The 1960 cutoff date is a "loose" cutoff date, and the Gin Gillette song that you're asking about (from 1961) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMERel9J7bQ) is close enough, and it fits the old fogey theme, so if there aren't a bunch of objections, I'll allow it.

Chypmunk

04-11-16, 05:42 PM

I think I was the first person who suggested including songs from musicals in this tournament, but several people requested excluding them so we can have a full tournament for those songs at a later date. I felt the best thing to do was to compromise and allow a limited amount of songs from musicals in this tournament. That should give us a nice variety of songs in this tournament, and still leave a lot of great songs from musicals for a future tournament.
Ok - thanks for taking the time to respond Gbg. Guess I never realised songs from musicals were such an endangered species that they would need 'protection' as it were (it's not an area I know much about - which I'm sure by now is patently obvious). I think it's a bit of a shame because whatever wins the Old Fogey tournament now will not have had the chance to go up against everything that could have been eligible (in my head it's like having a 60's tournament but excluding Motown) but I can live with whatever rules any tournament is run with and hopefully it won't affect my nominations at all ... someone will have to cast a quick eye over them whenever the time comes though as I'll have no idea whether or not I'm possibly breaking any restriction with regards such numbers.

gbgoodies

04-11-16, 05:53 PM

Ok - thanks for taking the time to respond Gbg. Guess I never realised songs from musicals were such an endangered species that they would need 'protection' as it were (it's not an area I know much about - which I'm sure by now is patently obvious). I think it's a bit of a shame because whatever wins the Old Fogey tournament now will not have had the chance to go up against everything that could have been eligible (in my head it's like having a 60's tournament but excluding Motown) but hopefully it won't affect my nominations at all ... someone will have to cast a quick eye over them whenever the time comes as I'll have no clue as to whether or not I'm possibly breaking any restriction with regards such numbers.

I think the problem is that everyone's definition of old fogey music is a little bit different, so we're trying to find a compromise that will make everyone happy.

For example, I didn't think there should be a cutoff date because to me, old fogey music is more about the "feel" of the music than the year it was released, but most people wanted a cutoff date. Some people wanted 1960, but there were a few people who wanted an earlier year. We compromised with a "loose" 1960 as the cutoff, but the song still needs to fit the old fogey theme, so rock n roll and/or pop isn't eligible, even if it fits the year requirement. (Although a few songs have come close to rock n roll and/or pop, none have been rejected yet.)

Just like you don't understand why songs from musicals aren't eligible, I don't understand why current artists like Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé, etc. aren't eligible. I think these artists sing old fogey music as well as all the old singers, but most people didn't want them in this tournament, so they're not eligible. (Sadly, the 1960 cutoff date also excludes my favorite singer, Neil Diamond, who started his recording career in 1962. :( But I'll make it up by nominating more of his music in future tournaments. :D )

Chypmunk

04-11-16, 06:16 PM

I think the problem is that everyone's definition of old fogey music is a little bit different, so we're trying to find a compromise that will make everyone happy.

For example, I didn't think there should be a cutoff date because to me, old fogey music is more about the "feel" of the music than the year it was released, but most people wanted a cutoff date. Some people wanted 1960, but there were a few people who wanted an earlier year. We compromised with a "loose" 1960 as the cutoff, but the song still needs to fit the old fogey theme, so rock n roll and/or pop isn't eligible, even if it fits the year requirement. (Although a few songs have come close to rock n roll and/or pop, none have been rejected yet.)

Just like you don't understand why songs from musicals aren't eligible, I don't understand why current artists like Harry Connick Jr., Michael Bublé, etc. aren't eligible. I think these artists sing old fogey music as well as all the old singers, but most people didn't want them in this tournament, so they're not eligible. (Sadly, the 1960 cutoff date also excludes my favorite singer, Neil Diamond, who started his recording career in 1962. :( But I'll make it up by nominating more of his music in future tournaments. :D )
If it makes you feel any better I'd have had no problem at all with no date restriction - I can understand why some think it's a good idea but personally I'm on your side of the fence on that one ... hey-ho though ... like Christine I thoroughly enjoy the 'rooting around' for songs I might have forgotten about or are completely new to me that I can merge into a list with songs I'm already oh so familiar with and eventually whittle down to form my nominations.

Anyways, enough from me - I'll go back to leaving this thread to others and go back to my 'rooting' :)

Chypmunk

04-12-16, 05:19 AM

Gbg - me mate Patrick McGinty was wondering just how much leeway there might be on the dates of the nominations? I've told him all about our Christine you see and he's dead keen for a go in the tourney and these are the songs he'd like to put forward in an attempt to win her over ....

Are You Sincere (1964) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K2tF1nITu2g)
False Hearted Girl (1964) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjZHVo3I4Y)
The Special Years (1965) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYTCzx-htk)
Just To Satisfy You (1965) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7hdcyEO6b7I)
Elusive Butterfly (1966) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7FF0m-580B4)
What Would I Be (1966) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWsPNctuGQw)
Dream On Little Dreamer (1968) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GFDaTB0x1z0)
Try To Remember (1969) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1tzIM7KCGh8)

reserve (in case of an objection): Quit Kickin' My Dog Around (1964) (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AhCbofjS8Ck)

Yeah, I'm just messin' really - our lass will understand!

gbgoodies

04-13-16, 01:40 AM

Chypmunk

04-13-16, 04:34 AM

christine

04-13-16, 04:54 AM

Thank goodness Paddy's choices are out. GBG , Val Doonican is loved by millions but to us kids in the Sixties he was a source of fun with his rocking chair and fancy jumpers and MoR music. Well, might not sound very funny but it was the sixties and there was only 2 tv channels here :D

gbgoodies

04-14-16, 01:21 AM

I am and I won't be using any of them (False Hearted Girl would fall under r'n'r imo and for me a cutoff date is a hard and fast entity anyways), it was just a bit of messing between myself and Christine - sorry I should have found a way to do it in such a way as to not drag you into it ... effusive apologies to you as I never dreamed you would actually listen to them and I have slapped my wrist until it is bright pink!

See - I'd not have had a clue that Try To Remember was even connected to a musical .... now you've got me worried that half of my noms are gonna fall foul of that restriction as and when I decide on them :eek:

You have nothing to be sorry about. I enjoyed listening to those songs. I didn't think "False Hearted Girl" sounded like rock n roll. In fact, it had a little bit of an old country twang sound to it.

If you're unsure about whether or not any of your songs are from musicals, you can try Googling the song titles. Many songs have their own Wikipedia pages, and that page should tell you the origins of the songs.

Thank goodness Paddy's choices are out. GBG , Val Doonican is loved by millions but to us kids in the Sixties he was a source of fun with his rocking chair and fancy jumpers and MoR music. Well, might not sound very funny but it was the sixties and there was only 2 tv channels here :D

I've never heard of Val Doonican, but I thought he was great. I liked all of those songs except the last one, "Quit Kickin' My Dog Around". I've even heard a few of those songs sung by other artists.

What's "MoR music"?

Chypmunk

04-14-16, 05:09 AM

I didn't think "False Hearted Girl" sounded like rock n roll. In fact, it had a little bit of an old country twang sound to it.
Here's the original: The Delmore Brothers (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=szmpg2U2KOk)
and a later version that I would say still qualifies as country:Tennessee Ernie Ford & Ella Mae Morse (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpPZZ7zEFc)
Val's version is a little more closely affiliated to rock 'n' roll in it's construct imo (though tbh no-one in their right mind would ever say Val was a rock 'n' roller lol).

If you're unsure about whether or not any of your songs are from musicals, you can try Googling the song titles. Many songs have their own Wikipedia pages, and that page should tell you the origins of the songs.
Y'all know these things are supposed to be 'fun' and not 'work' yeah? ;)

What's "MoR music"?
MoR = Middle of the road Gbg :)

gbgoodies

04-14-16, 05:13 PM

Here's the original: The Delmore Brothers (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=szmpg2U2KOk)
and a later version that I would say still qualifies as country:Tennessee Ernie Ford & Ella Mae Morse (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpPZZ7zEFc)
Val's version is a little more closely affiliated to rock 'n' roll in it's construct imo (though tbh no-one in their right mind would ever say Val was a rock 'n' roller lol).

Val's version may be a little bit closer to rock 'n' roll than the other versions, but it's still got a bit of a country sound to it.

BTW, I didn't like Tennessee Ernie Ford when he was on "I Love Lucy", but I love his voice when he sings.

Y'all know these things are supposed to be 'fun' and not 'work' yeah? ;)

A little bit of work never killed anyone. ;)

MoR = Middle of the road Gbg :)

If I had been given a thousand guesses, I don't think I would have figured that out. :shrug: