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Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:44 PM
There was the plan.
Yeah, to vote off JJ, which you didn't do? I don't quite understand what you're saying here.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 07:44 PM
Why shouldn't you respect it? You were saved. If he hadn't made the move, dumb or not, you'd be eliminated.
Well I don't, he's pissed off enough players to make sure he doesn't have a chance of getting to the final or winning this.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 07:45 PM
Don't even speak to Daniel M about anything anymore, guys who aren't with him. He doesn't deserve your cooperation.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 07:46 PM
Yeah, to vote off JJ, which you didn't do? I don't quite understand what you're saying here.
That was the alliance plan. But him wanting to save Cob who wasn't part of an original alliance was a sign that something was fishy.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 07:46 PM
Remember how he boasted about screwing over Rhys by letting Rhys take him to the Finals for the last game?
rauldc14
04-03-16, 07:47 PM
Well I don't, he's pissed off enough players to make sure he doesn't have a chance of getting to the final or winning this.
He was playing a great game but he legitimately lost 4 jury votes with that move.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 07:47 PM
Really TONGO doesn't need an alliance of Daniel and Cobpyth.
He could change alliances and screw over both of them and work with the others to eliminate them. That would be an even bigger power move for TONGO.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:48 PM
That was the alliance plan. But him wanting to save Cob who wasn't part of an original alliance was a sign that something was fishy.
But Cob came in to the alliance at some point, JJ wasn't in it at all. He chose to vote off JJ over him, it's normal.
And nothing was proved to be "fishy" at all, me and Tongo both voted for JJ?
Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:49 PM
He was playing a great game but he legitimately lost 4 jury votes with that move.
This is just silly too. Surely if he gets to the final from here it proves it was a great move regardless of your personal thoughts. You shouldn't let personal things cloud your judgement on the winner.
You know what, I might as well quit. You're all going to vote for me anyway, and at 17, I have no chance at beating people twice my age or someone at university :lol:
But I'll try my best to see Camo and rauld through, they, along with Daniel, thoroughly deserve to win this now.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 07:50 PM
Cob is a part of the numbers game.
Anyways, I'm not mad about anything other than Cici and Camo getting screwed when they should be in final 3.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 07:51 PM
This is just silly too. Surely if he gets to the final from here it proves it was a great move regardless of your personal thoughts. You shouldn't let personal things cloud your judgement on the winner.
It wasn't a good move.
That was the alliance plan. But him wanting to save Cob who wasn't part of an original alliance was a sign that something was fishy.
WHAT?! Cobby had been in the alliance the past few weeks....he was in the mass PMs I sent everyone. Rauld, you have no idea whats been going on this game. Dont look at me man, you were Camos guy, I stayed clear of you, but how can you not know so much man?
Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:53 PM
Can someone tell me though how they think Tongo made a dumb move?
Option 1:
Not use his super idol, Daniel goes, JJ stays.
Next move, it's the last time powers are useable, so he makes sure he stays in;
Gets to the final 5 gets voted out.
Option 2:
Use his super idol and save Daniel.
Have a strong alliance with Daniel, and hope that Cobpyth joins along too, giving him a 3v3 equal chance of getting through to the next round.
If he makes it through he's got 3v2, so will at least make the final 3.
I know which one I'd choose every day of the week. You also have to remember if I didn't make the HalfAngel move for him at the start of the game, he would have gone then. It p*ssed off people, and I took a lot of heat from it and made us targets. But the fact is, if I didn't do it, Tongo wouldn't be here.
I voted the way I was supposed to, against JJ, to get rid of him as he wasn't in his alliance.
I did nothing wrong and got targeted.
These are the facts :)
Don't even speak to Daniel M about anything anymore, guys who aren't with him. He doesn't deserve your cooperation.
SEXYS MINIIONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THEIR ORDERS!! :D
Daniel, this game is personal. Tongo betrayed Camo and I for no apparent reason and it's cost us the game because of it.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:54 PM
Tongo also told me, Camo and CiCi in a group message that he would use his super idol on any one of us if we needed it. Maybe they should have realised he was actually telling the truth. I stayed loyal to him and voted for JJ, I didn't backstab him, I've always tried to help him. His move makes sense 100%.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:56 PM
Daniel, this game is personal. Tongo betrayed Camo and I for no apparent reason and it's cost us the game because of it.
He betrayed you because you betrayed me, I was part of the original alliance. HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE?
And regardless of backstabbing, that still doesn't make it personal. Tactical ideas are part of the game, it's normal that people have to be betrayed at some point.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 07:56 PM
Well it's an exciting finish. Good luck to everyone left.
I didn't think it was a good move based off the assumption that the final 4 was Camo Cici Tongo and I, with a final 3 of Camo Cici and Tongo.
But I'm just a pawn and a vote.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 07:58 PM
It's clear there are two versions of what everyone thought was the original alliance. This is the problem.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 07:58 PM
But now you know the full facts, so you can see it was the right move? :)
Tongo also told me, Camo and CiCi in a group message that he would use his super idol on any one of us if we needed it. Maybe they should have realised he was actually telling the truth. I stayed loyal to him and voted for JJ, I didn't backstab him, I've always tried to help him. His move makes sense 100%.
Daniel, don't patronise me :lol:
Tongo should realise that's he a lone wolf here and is the most vulnerable. Camo and I were willing to take him on with us to get the most dangerous players (you and Cob) out, instead he, for whatever reason, decided to go against us, and make himself the least likely out of any of use to win this thing. All he had done is alienate everyone when he could have eliminated someone dangerous.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:00 PM
Raul:
Camo and CiCi knew I was meant to be part of this original alliance. I can show you PMs if you need proof, but they won't deny it. Camo and me had conversations all the time and he constantly told me he would never vote against me anyway because how bad he felt in the last game, then CiCi even offered to use his idol for me in one of the earlier rounds just in case I was being targetted.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:00 PM
There are no right moves in this game.
Daniel, this game is personal. Tongo betrayed Camo and I for no apparent reason and it's cost us the game because of it.
I did NOT betray A N Y O N E. The fact I would not go against my own word is why Dan was brought back, I NEVER agreed to eliminate Dan, and none of you even brought it up to me, so its not even possible I betrayed you. You betrayed Dan, and betrayed the alliance. Thats what happened.
I didnt set this alliance up on a whim, I hand picked yall. Im sorry you all listened to Sexy. :(
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:02 PM
Raul:
Camo and CiCi knew I was meant to be part of this original alliance. I can show you PMs if you need proof, but they won't deny it. Camo and me had conversations all the time and he constantly told me he would never vote against me anyway because how bad he felt in the last game, then CiCi even offered to use his idol for me in one of the earlier rounds just in case I was being targetted.
That's survivor though man. You don't think I've talked to Camo and Cici all game too :laugh:.
Just because I wasn't close to Tongo doesn't mean I was a pawn in the alliance. If anything the past vote proves that.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:03 PM
Daniel, don't patronise me :lol:
Tongo should realise that's he a lone wolf here and is the most vulnerable. Camo and I were willing to take him on with us to get the most dangerous players (you and Cob) out, instead he, for whatever reason, decided to go against us, and make himself the least likely out of any of use to win this thing. All he had done is alienate everyone when he could have eliminated someone dangerous.
How could he have felt safe after you betrayed me "for no apparent reason" (weird thing to say, there's always a reason in this game)? How could he have trusted that you wouldn't have got rid of him after the top five, once his powers had gone. Okay you would have got rid of Cob to make him feel secure once again, but you would have thrown him under the bus as soon as his powers went. Fact.
I don't see how he has alienated everyone. A few people maybe, but if you take these things personally and bring that in to consideration when you vote for a winner, I think that's silly. He has eliminated someone dangerous in JJ, who was constantly scheming with Camo, and will continue to eliminate dangerous people all the way to the final.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:06 PM
That's survivor though man. You don't think I've talked to Camo and Cici all game too :laugh:.
Just because I wasn't close to Tongo doesn't mean I was a pawn in the alliance. If anything the past vote proves that.
The point I was trying to make though was that Camo and CiCi knew that me and Tongo were extremely close an meant to be part of an original alliance. They should have warned you about this and known it was a possibility that Tongo would be annoyed and would protect me if you voted for you. If you're looking for people to blame if you get targeted, blame those two. You could have stuck with the plan and who knows what would have happened. Fact is the alliance was too big and there needed to be big moves in the final five, you could have easily manoeuvred something there. Now the decision of how to cut down the alliance has been made easy.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:08 PM
Daniel, don't patronise me :lol:
Tongo should realise that's he a lone wolf here and is the most vulnerable. Camo and I were willing to take him on with us to get the most dangerous players (you and Cob) out, instead he, for whatever reason, decided to go against us, and make himself the least likely out of any of use to win this thing. All he had done is alienate everyone when he could have eliminated someone dangerous.
I also laughed at this. Fact is you weren't here when Cob played in any of the other survivors, and no one has mentioned him at all in thread. I know that Sexy has been PMing everyone telling them this, and I feel sorry for you that you actually believed him and feel threatened. I know Camo did as well, he started to get more weary when Cob was added to the alliance.
As I said, you two have let paranoia ruin the game for you. I feel sorry for Raul as he's the most innocent in all this and I think from his perspective he made what seemed like the best move. Unfortunately you didn't let him in on all the facts.
JJ was never a threat, he never had anyone on his side, Tongo knew this, I have PMs to prove this.
At the end of the day, Tongo replaced Camo and I with you and Cob. When Tongo told us to get rid of JJ, we didn't want to because he's not a threat. We wanted to get rid of you and Cob because of how strong you are, you're both highly intelligent and perceptive and have loads of people on your side, of course we targeted you. Tongo somehow failed to see this.
Again, this game is personal. And I will vote for you if you make the final, because you've played a brilliant game, but Tongo won't be getting my vote after this.
And there there is no apparent reason he betrayed us, what makes Camo and I less valuable than you and Cob? Because that is what this comes down to.
Tongo should realise that's he a lone wolf here and is the most vulnerable. Camo and I were willing to take him on with us to get the most dangerous players (you and Cob) out, instead he, for whatever reason, decided to go against us, and make himself the least likely out of any of use to win this thing. All he had done is alienate everyone when he could have eliminated someone dangerous.
Why would I think you wanted to bring me to final 3 when I see you dissolving what was the most powerful Survivor alliance ever? Why would I think I was "in the loop" destined for final 3, when thats happening, where EVERYONE but me knew, why would I think youre looking out for me?
I dont want to argue. Even if Im right it doesnt matter. Its all about the smear. So let Sexy Smearlebrity decide the winner like hes always tried to do.
Im sorry guys, I never wanted to hurt anyones feelings, and honestly just wanted to add alot of fun to the game. Hell, I wanted to take CiCi to the final 2 because he was a refreshing breath in my game. Thats all gone now.
So Im sorry, but yes I would do the same thing again.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:12 PM
Either way Daniel I hope you know it isn't anything personal.
No it's not anything personal at all, I have really enjoyed getting to know you all, but I quit this game.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:15 PM
Maybe it's my fault because from my perspective I saw Cici and Camo being replaced by Daniel and Cob.
Fact is, we will never know what would have happened this vote if JJ was straight up voted out last time.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:16 PM
That's the thing, he never replaced you two with me and Cob, you two got too paranoid and starting to think this. Sexy kept PMing talking about how you needed to get rid of me and Cob, and doubt grew in your mind.
The fact is, Cob has been a useful voting tool to ensure that whoever the alliance wanted out, went out. I made a final 4 deal at the start and was willing to stick to it, you can ask Tongo that. At no point did I ever mention any deal about keeping in Cobpyth longer than required.
And also a flaw: If you wanted to get rid of people who were threats, surely this would have been easier in the top 5, where there are no powers. If we got to the final 5, trust would still be high, and you, Camo and Raul could have turned against me and Tongo then easily if you were so concerned about how strong we were.
And again, I don't see how it's personal. He told us that he'd use his super idol if one of us went, and stuck with his word. He felt like you betrayed him. You and Camo weren't less valuable than me and Cob, you were just as valuable as me, and more valuable than Cob, again, he is the real reason this all happened, everyone got scared about him for some reason.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:18 PM
It all makes sense except the fact that I would not be in the game longer than Cob. You guys surely wouldn't have kept me over him.
Tongo should realise that's he a lone wolf here and is the most vulnerable. Camo and I were willing to take him on with us to get the most dangerous players (you and Cob) out, instead he, for whatever reason, decided to go against us, and make himself the least likely out of any of use to win this thing. All he had done is alienate everyone when he could have eliminated someone dangerous.
Why would I think you wanted to bring me to final 3 when I see you dissolving what was the most powerful Survivor alliance ever? Why would I think I was "in the loop" destined for final 3, when thats happening, where EVERYONE but me knew, why would I think youre looking out for me?
I dont want to argue. Even if Im right it doesnt matter. Its all about the smear. So let Sexy Smearlebrity decide the winner like hes always tried to do.
Im sorry guys, I never wanted to hurt anyones feelings, and honestly just wanted to add alot of fun to the game. Hell, I wanted to take CiCi to the final 2 because he was a refreshing breath in my game. Thats all gone now.
So Im sorry, but yes I would do the same thing again.
Tongo, I've massively appreciated everything you've done for me this game, but I have no chance of winning now after that stunt. And I'm sick of the attacks I'm getting too.
Besides, I can't not take this personally, you can say what you want, but actions speak louder than words. You don't want me in the final two with you, you want Daniel with you.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:18 PM
Maybe it's my fault because from my perspective I saw Cici and Camo being replaced by Daniel and Cob.
Fact is, we will never know what would have happened this vote if JJ was straight up voted out last time.
Raul, and everyone else, don't worry about it. I don't take these things personally, well, I don't get annoyed, but I know that decisions have to be made and people will be betrayed, that's a fact.
What is personal is calling people retards and trying to emotionally belittle them in here. Apart from SC, I have no problems with anyone here.
And yeah, I understand why you felt that way. And once again, I think from your perspective I would have made the same move, you weren't to know Tongo was going to use his super idol.
And yeah who knows, it would have been interesting to see who made deals and got eliminated in the final 5, definitely.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:20 PM
Besides, I can't not take this personally, you can say what you want, but actions speak louder than words. You don't want me in the final two with you, you want Daniel with you.
Because you betrayed the deal we had? I don't understand how this is hard to understand. Whether you think what you did was right/wrong, justifiable or whatever, fact is Tongo had a deal in his mind with us, and whether it was me or Raul as the "4th player", there were at least two people that should have gone before me. He's played the game going by his word.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:20 PM
Stay in Cici. I want to see what happens and we are too far to quit. Even if u do get voted out here.
At the end of the day, Tongo replaced Camo and I with you and Cob.
No, you did. I was sticking up for an alliance member that didnt break, I stuck up for Cob when he didnt break, I stuck up for 7th until he broke. Ive made unpopular decisions often to strengthen the alliance Im in. You chose to leave it, Im sorry. I did everything in my power throughout this whole game to help you, and advise you. I did NOT betray you.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:22 PM
It all makes sense except the fact that I would not be in the game longer than Cob. You guys surely wouldn't have kept me over him.
I'll be honest with you and say I would have preferred him in longer than you because I had pretty much no contact with you this game, and I'm really good friends with Cob. But Camo and CiCi would have voted on your side, and Tongo I honestly think is a man of his word and wouldn't have joined me in voting off you over him. So yeah, maybe I would have suggested the move, float it, see what Tongo would have thought, but if he was against it, it wouldn't have happened, I doubt.
Nah, everyone will vote me out now. I've alienated everyone left, and I always takes things to heart, I can't help it.
Tongo knew why we acted the way we did, but still went against us. Justify it however you want, but Tongo does want you in this more than he wants Camo and I in this.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:25 PM
But if he hadn't have done it, he would have been going against me? Would that not have made it personal against me by your logic? He decided which move to make based on the logic of what would get him further and what would be right by his word.
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:28 PM
I don't think you can take it personal if someone decides not to use their super idol to save you.
It all makes sense except the fact that I would not be in the game longer than Cob. You guys surely wouldn't have kept me over him.
I would have. Not now, but even C's and Camo could show you PMs where I wanted Cob out after JJ. I bought enough of the "Sexy Hysteria" to think he and Dan would try something. For my game betraying anyone would be bad as I dont have anyone. Camo has Rauld, CiCi has like 4 people thatd take him to the final, and Dan has Cob. Ive been the lone wolf in the alliance since HalfAngel and 7th left. Your best play is to stick with Camo & CiCi, but theres alot you needed to know.
Tongo, I've massively appreciated everything you've done for me this game, but I have no chance of winning now after that stunt. And I'm sick of the attacks I'm getting too.
Besides, I can't not take this personally, you can say what you want, but actions speak louder than words. You don't want me in the final two with you, you want Daniel with you.
Im not gonna win either. Dont think for a second I wouldnt have done it for you or Camo if the situation was reversed, you know better.
But if he hadn't have done it, he would have been going against me? Would that not have made it personal against me by your logic? He decided which move to make based on the logic of what would get him further and what would be right by his word.
I'm sorry, but getting you out would have certainly have got him through further.
Camo nor I wanted to vote JJ out, so we voted for the person we thought he was least likely to use an idol on, you. Tongo was persuaded we would vote for Cob, so we thought we'd have a good chance of getting you out. I was also persuaded he wouldn't use two idols on people other than himself, so I thought it had a good chance of working. Again, I and the others explained why were voting the way we did. I could even show you a PM he sent us about you and Cob regarding that situation.
And maybe Tongo should have revised how many people he made promises to before getting into this mess, because he was going to hurt a lot of people at some point. :lol:
rauldc14
04-03-16, 08:37 PM
Will be interesting to hear Camo and Cobs perspective to this.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:37 PM
I believe you that he considered getting rid of Cob, and have no problems if he did. Cob wasn't in our alliance and I know that Tongo is an honest player. I expected the day that I'd have to get rid of Cob. He's a great friend to me, but more than anyone, he respects the gameplay of Survivor, and would have understood I was either powerless or wanted him gone, if he went out.
And you didn't want JJ to go out? Guess what? Neither did I. I PMed Camo saying just as much, and would have really liked to have played with him longer because JJ is a cool guy and one of the best posters on this forum. I would have preferred to have voted off someone else than him. But also guess what? I had an alliance and I figured I should stick to the promises I made. And that no matter how much I liked JJ, or how much I "didn't want to vote for him", I had to, because he was the only person not in my alliance.
Im not gonna win either. Dont think for a second I wouldnt have done it for you or Camo if the situation was reversed, you know better.
We explained why we voted how we did, JJ wasn't a threat, Daniel and Cob were, but you refused to listen to any of us.
And maybe Tongo should have revised how many people he made promises to before getting into this mess, because he was going to hurt a lot of people at some point. :lol:
No I knew those hard decisions would be made for me by the first one that blinked. Its always like that near the end, somebody sees an opportunity or gets scared and makes a play. Again CiCi, I am staying with the alliance Ive always been in, just me and Dan are the only original members. I wasnt in on your plan, it was yalls call.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:42 PM
You think I wanted to get rid of Wolfsbane in the last game when it got to the final three? I felt like sh*t making that move, really f*cking s*it because he was one of the nicest, honest players in the game. He was truthful to me, brought me back, and it would have been a good finale. But the fact was, I made a deal with Rhys at the very start of the game to help each other win. I had a hard decision and decided it based on my original alliance.
I try to be as honest as I can playing these games. Everyone knows that being completely honest is almost impossible, but I really do try it unless it just can't be avoided. I think even SC might vouch for me when I say I try and be honest and help the people that I originally make promises with. I tried to help him one game, and he got to about the middle I think, pretty far for him, I went out because of it I think, but it was fine, I had no problems, that's the game.
I believe you that he considered getting rid of Cob, and have no problems if he did. Cob wasn't in our alliance and I know that Tongo is an honest player. I expected the day that I'd have to get rid of Cob. He's a great friend to me, but more than anyone, he respects the gameplay of Survivor, and would have understood I was either powerless or wanted him gone, if he went out.
And you didn't want JJ to go out? Guess what? Neither did I. I PMed Camo saying just as much, and would have really liked to have played with him longer because JJ is a cool guy and one of the best posters on this forum. I would have preferred to have voted off someone else than him. But also guess what? I had an alliance and I figured I should stick to the promises I made. And that no matter how much I liked JJ, or how much I "didn't want to vote for him", I had to, because he was the only person not in my alliance.
Cob was in our alliance though, when Tongo sent mass PMs, they went to him too. Otherwise, he'd have been gone instantly. Tongo even sent us PMs urging us not to vote for Cob multiple times, so that's a lie.
We explained why we voted how we did, JJ wasn't a threat, Daniel and Cob were, but you refused to listen to any of us.
No bud, I completely comprehended Sexys point, completely understood what all of you were trying to tell me. It-is-not-how-I-play - thats why yall liked me in the alliance cause I was so balls to the walls the whole game making sure we were all one group split up into 3 tribes. I cant just piss all that work away because of an an "opportunity", thats weaksauce. We all have been a juggernaut this game from beginning to now. All the idol did was give us all confidence in ourselves, made it less stressful, but its ALWAYS been the alliance that gets you to the end.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:46 PM
We explained why we voted how we did, JJ wasn't a threat, Daniel and Cob were, but you refused to listen to any of us.
Okay, but he's entitled to not believe you and/or have an opinion on his own.
Maybe he didn't think I was a threat because: I have voted with him on every single occasion with him except once where I made a plan to actually save him, I could have seen him gone, the man with all the power out so early and no one would have been blamed for betraying him, but I kept him in because he was in my alliance and I saw it as my duty to protect him. Maybe because I am in constant communication, telling him everything about the game and always reassuring him about plans. Maybe because I've tried to be friends with him in general, talking to him when I can and keeping him upbeat when thing's have gone against him and people have attacked him in the thread. Maybe because not once did I scheme with him or even suggest that I vote off any of you guys.
And maybe he didn't think Cob was a threat, because although he believes that he's a strong player, he knew he had enough votes in the alliance, even without me, to get rid of him before the final 5.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:47 PM
Cob was in our alliance though, when Tongo sent mass PMs, they went to him too. Otherwise, he'd have been gone instantly. Tongo even sent us PMs urging us not to vote for Cob multiple times, so that's a lie.
Yeah but not the original alliance, he was down at the bottom of it, a useful voting tool but I was aware over members took priority over him. JJ wasn't in the alliance at all.
What is a lie?
And you didn't want JJ to go out? Guess what? Neither did I. I PMed Camo saying just as much, and would have really liked to have played with him longer because JJ is a cool guy and one of the best posters on this forum. I would have preferred to have voted off someone else than him. But also guess what? I had an alliance and I figured I should stick to the promises I made. And that no matter how much I liked JJ, or how much I "didn't want to vote for him", I had to, because he was the only person not in my alliance.
Agree 100%
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:50 PM
Even when 7thson turned against us because of my move against HalfAngel, I understood why he did it and didn't take it personally. Emotions were running high and Tongo wanted him gone. I was the one to calm him down and make sure he voted for Cole. Why? Because even though 7thson turned, I thought it was an understandable move, and a mistake that could maybe be rectified, he still had useful powers that could have helped our alliance later on, I was willing to give him another chance over someone that had never been in our alliance. Turns out it was pointless because he kept on with his crazy moves and was too much of a live wire to take a risk on.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 08:52 PM
I'm just gonna say this -- since people like Daniel M keep saying I'm hysterical:
There's no way you should trust all that he's saying here in the thread.
The game is still going on and he's a very big talker.
He very well could be telling lies to deceive you people. Again, the game's not over with. This isn't Jury / "everybody explains why they should win the game" time.
I'm just gonna say this -- since people like Daniel M keep saying I'm hysterical:
There's no way you should trust all that he's saying here in the thread.
The game is still going on and he's a very big talker.
He very well could be telling lies to deceive you people. Again, the game's not over with. This isn't Jury / "everybody explains why they should win the game" time.
Thats just smear ^^^^ Nothing concrete said, just hysteria that causes paranoia.
I was never acting out selfish reasons though. I was convinced you and Cob were going to knock Camo, myself, and Tongo out at the first opportunity, I felt the need to react.
Camo and Tongo can vouch for me here. I was willing to withdraw at the final 3 to see them through, because without them, I'd have been out instantly in both of the games I participated in. And so when I saw the final nearing and your alliance gaining influence, I felt the need to respond and that was by getting one of you two out. All of the others agreed. I explained to Tongo why I wouldn't vote with him, and that was to see him through further in the game.
Even when 7thson turned against us because of my move against HalfAngel, I understood why he did it and didn't take it personally. Emotions were running high and Tongo wanted him gone. I was the one to calm him down and make sure he voted for Cole. Why? Because even though 7thson turned, I thought it was an understandable move, and a mistake that could maybe be rectified, he still had useful powers that could have helped our alliance later on, I was willing to give him another chance over someone that had never been in our alliance. Turns out it was pointless because he kept on with his crazy moves and was too much of a live wire to take a risk on.
Yeah when 7th KO'd you in that challenge I flipped, then I REALLY flipped when he KO'd me the one after. :laugh: Yes I would have flipped if he had KO'd Camo or CiCi too.
I know which one I'd choose every day of the week. You also have to remember if I didn't make the HalfAngel move for him at the start of the game, he would have gone then. It p*ssed off people, and I took a lot of heat from it and made us targets. But the fact is, if I didn't do it, Tongo wouldn't be here.
The problem with this move is you do not just need to make the finals you have to get jury votes and people can taut strategy and moves and so on, but its a little like using turbo boost - its great to get you ahead but when it comes to crossing the finish line it may get you there or it may leave the lane open for someone else.
That was why I went out how I did, it could have worked for me had I made one other simple move but I made a mistake that cost me and no one here but me knows what it is but I know if I did it I would still be here I am pretty sure.
But whatever, not going to dwell on it and when its all over I will probably share some more info about many of you - good and bad. But not going to do it during the game because once you are voted out you should not be able to comment or participate in any aspect of the current game until its jury time. However for future games, whether they are soon or down the line, there are many I will never trust or be in alliance with.. I do not mind diversion and maneuvers, I just really hate bald faced lies as part of a strategy to win. Again not on a personal level cause it is a game after all, but on a game play level I am walking on the ashes of a more than a few burnt bridges.
My response here is only with the past play with Halfangel not commenting on the current stuff for reasons already mentioned.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 08:57 PM
I was never acting out selfish reasons though. I was convinced you and Cob were going to knock Camo, myself, and Tongo out at the first opportunity, I felt the need to react.
Camo and Tongo can vouch for me here. I was willing to withdraw at the final 3 to see them through, because without them, I'd have been out instantly in both of the games I participated in. And so when I saw the final nearing and your alliance gaining influence, I felt the need to respond and that was by getting one of you two out. All of the others agreed. I explained to Tongo why I wouldn't vote with him, and that was to see him through further in the game.
Yes, that's fair enough. But as I said, Tongo's entitled to disagree with you fears and have opinions of his own as to what was happening in the game. He wasn't as worried as you and trusted me, and trusted that Cob was not going to become a problem.
I was never acting out selfish reasons though. I was convinced you and Cob were going to knock Camo, myself, and Tongo out at the first opportunity, I felt the need to react.
Camo and Tongo can vouch for me here. I was willing to withdraw at the final 3 to see them through, because without them, I'd have been out instantly in both of the games I participated in. And so when I saw the final nearing and your alliance gaining influence, I felt the need to respond and that was by getting one of you two out. All of the others agreed. I explained to Tongo why I wouldn't vote with him, and that was to see him through further in the game.
Well for one thing, you should stay in. Dont quit. We all like you and you add tons to the game. You made a call, and nobody is always right. Yes were still on opposite alliances, but chill bro. ;)
Well it'll probably bite him in the arse now anyway.
And again, after all of this, I never intended to offend anyone, you are all great people, I just went into overdrive :lol:
Daniel M
04-03-16, 09:00 PM
The problem with this move is you do not just need to make the finals you have to get jury votes and people can taut strategy and moves and so on, but its a little like using turbo boost - its great to get you ahead but when it comes to crossing the finish line it may get you there or it may leave the lane open for someone else.
That was why I went out how I did, it could have worked for me had I made one other simple move but I made a mistake that cost me and no one here but me knows what it is but I know if I did it I would still be here I am pretty sure.
But whatever, not going to dwell on it and when its all over I will probably share some more info about many of you - good and bad. But not going to do it during the game because once you are voted out you should not be able to comment or participate in any aspect of the current game until its jury time. However for future games, whether they are soon or down the line, there are many I will never trust or be in alliance with.. I do not mind diversion and maneuvers, I just really hate bald faced lies as part of a strategy to win. Again not on a personal level cause it is a game after all, but on a game play level I am walking on the ashes of a more than a few burnt bridges.
My response here is only with the past play with Halfangel not commenting on the current stuff for reasons already mentioned.
Yeah, again I completely understand what you did and have no problems with it, or you. It's a shame I didn't get to speak to you more and we became enemies too soon, as I don't know you too well on the forum. I do think though that I'm not a liar, and try to play as honest as possible. I hope people believe me on this one.
Yeah, again I completely understand what you did and have no problems with it, or you. It's a shame I didn't get to speak to you more and we became enemies too soon, as I don't know you too well on the forum. I do think though that I'm not a liar, and try to play as honest as possible. I hope people believe me on this one.
Nah actually it was not you I was referring too about that part, but again I just do not want to comment on current play in too much detail.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 09:03 PM
Nah actually it was not you I was referring too about that part, but again I just do not want to comment on current play in too much detail.
Okay, no problem. Once again I hope we can get on well after this on the forum. Don't worry, I think I'm going to retire from playing Survivor after this game :p
rauldc14
04-03-16, 09:06 PM
This still doesn't compare with how I was voted off in survivor 1 :laugh:
Daniel M
04-03-16, 09:08 PM
I'm just gonna say this -- since people like Daniel M keep saying I'm hysterical:
There's no way you should trust all that he's saying here in the thread.
The game is still going on and he's a very big talker.
He very well could be telling lies to deceive you people. Again, the game's not over with. This isn't Jury / "everybody explains why they should win the game" time.
Yeah you are. But I also think you're crossing the line in terms of personal insults. And it's odd that you're obsessed with this so much, your PMing people about this constantly, and it doesn't even effect you, you're not in the game.
And I'm a big talker on the forum in general because I like to be honest and get to know people. I hate offending people. Remember how we first got to know each other? I made a slightly silly comment towards you because you criticised Christoph Waltz in Inglourious Basterds, you weren't very happy and I looked it at and could see why you took it the wrong way, I think I ended up PMing you, or at least replying in thread, I wanted us to become friends and for you to not get the wrong idea. You know I've always liked you as a poster on MoFo, so it does frustrate me to see the lengths your going to to try and get me not to win. Fair enough if you believe I'm some crazy scheming player who must not be trusted, but also consider how I must feel where you're talking about me constantly.
I think you're wrong about a lot of stuff though. As I've said, I always try and be honest and considerate to all people. Like I mentioned too, remember that game where I tried to help you? I think you should admit that I am an honest fair player for most the part.
Everything I've said in the last few pages is true :)
jiraffejustin
04-03-16, 09:50 PM
Looks like I am late to my elimination
I know it has been said before, but if I were to run a Survivor game there would be either no secret powers or they would be very rare. Hidden idols are enough of a power as well as immunity. Rewards should be more like an advantage in an immunity challenge or something similar. If an alliance gets too many powers along with idols the game becomes broken a little bit. Not saying they did not earn them, but all the strategy in the world cannot overcome too many powers.
I know it has been said before, but if I were to run a Survivor game there would be either no secret powers or they would be very rare. Hidden idols are enough of a power as well as immunity. Rewards should be more like an advantage in an immunity challenge or something similar. If an alliance gets too many powers along with idols the game becomes broken a little bit. Not saying they did not earn them, but all the strategy in the world cannot overcome too many powers.
This is nothing compared to my game, oy. That was a horn of plenty full of idols, gunbelts, and powers. If everyone has equal opportunity to get them, its balanced. I like the Know It All power and the Detective power, even Hard To Kill cause real Survivor has exile island and things like that where people voted out can get back in. The hypnosis? Yeah thats broke as hell, no argument. I think on real Survivor one time, once, someone had an "extra vote" power. As soon as everyone found out they freaked and voted him out :laugh:
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 10:21 PM
But I also think you're crossing the line in terms of personal insults.
Nobody loves retarded people more than me. I meant no harm in calling TONGO a "retard." But it REALLY seemed very fitting at that time!!
And it's odd that you're obsessed with this so much, your PMing people about this constantly, and it doesn't even effect you, you're not in the game.
*shrugs* That's how I am. What can I say? If that makes me odd, I'm odd.
Remember how we first got to know each other? I made a slightly silly comment towards you because you criticised Christoph Waltz in Inglourious Basterds, you weren't very happy and I looked it at and could see why you took it the wrong way, I think I ended up PMing you, or at least replying in thread, I wanted us to become friends and for you to not get the wrong idea.
I forgot you were involved with the whole Christoph Waltz thing. It's been awhile.
You know I've always liked you as a poster on MoFo, so it does frustrate me to see the lengths your going to to try and get me not to win.
Ohhhhh, so maybe that's why you're chatting me up in profile comments. You want me on you side. That's fine.
I was just telling them you're dangerous and they need to watch out for you. You're like the new UsualSuspect in this game. Stop treating it like something horrible and take it as a compliment. Think about poor Rauldc14. Think about the fact that I'm NOT telling everybody, "GET OUT RAULDC14!!!! HE'S GONNA DESTROY YOU ALL!!!!!!!!"
MRS. DOUBTFIRE IS DANGEROUS!!!!!!!
So I'm not doing that with Rauldc14 because he's not dangerous like you. In the long run, how would you like to be remembered? Like TheUsualSuspect? Or like Rauldc14?
Fair enough if you believe I'm some crazy scheming player who must not be trusted, but also consider how I must feel where you're talking about me constantly.
I say -- get over it. This is a game. I'll be nice to you afterwards.
I think you're wrong about a lot of stuff though. As I've said, I always try and be honest and considerate to all people. Like I mentioned too, remember that game where I tried to help you? I think you should admit that I am an honest fair player for most the part.
What? Survivor 2? Yes, you helped me, but we were trying to destroy people. I was a destroyer then and you helped. We were bad bitches and we couldn't be trusted. We were only bad bitches temporarily, of course.
Cobpyth
04-03-16, 10:21 PM
Just read through the whole thread. I wasn't here for the previous three days, so I'm actually pretty lucky I'm still in the game. I thought it was pretty much over for me, as I was kind of locked out of every important group. I used to play this game way more intensively during the first editions and you actually really have to do that if you want to get far.
Anyway, the reason why I love this game so much, is because of rounds like this and of course the discussions afterwards.
This is my short analysis from a strategic perspective:
Strong move from Raul, as he had no other choice. He didn't truly betray anyone here as he wasn't part of the original alliance (just like me). He can still function as a swing vote and use that as a tool. He still has a lot of options. Good round for him.
Good move from TONGO, as he wasn't able to trust CiCi and Camo anymore after this. He chose to keep his word and therefore comes across trustworthy (as he has during the whole game). He also has a very firm ally in Daniel now.
I personally would have waited with this kind of move if I were Camo and CiCi. I think next round would've been a better timing. They might've blown up their game because of this, but who knows what can happen. This is still Survivor, right? ;)
Daniel M
04-03-16, 10:28 PM
Ha, those profile comments are a coincidence. But yeah I know it's a game and I should take it as a compliment, but I don't think I'm being unfair/strange by suggesting that some of it seems to venture a little bit over to the personal side. I think I've said what I have needed to say about it anyway, I'm not going to change you, as you say.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 10:35 PM
Ha, those profile comments are a coincidence. But yeah I know it's a game and I should take it as a compliment, but I don't think I'm being unfair/strange by suggesting that some of it seems to venture a little bit over to the personal side. I think I've said what I have needed to say about it anyway, I'm not going to change you, as you say.
I think you're just ultimately trying to downplay how good you are. To act like a victim and treat me like I'm so terrible. That's a UsualSuspect kind of tactic. The whole, "STOP HURTING ME! I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG!" strategy. "You're making me out to be worse than I really am!"
I think you're just ultimately trying to downplay how good you are. To act like a victim and treat me like I'm so terrible. That's a UsualSuspect kind of tactic. The whole, "STOP HURTING ME! I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG!" strategy. "You're making me out to be worse than I really am!"
You went at Suspect so hard he could have sued you in a court of law. Sometimes you need to take a step back ;)
Daniel M
04-03-16, 10:37 PM
I guess that's true. It's one of those scenarios where if I was telling the truth, I would be saying this, and if I was liar/monster/master-player I would also be saying the same stuff. That's why we should stop going round in circles and people should just trust me ;)
Thats because Camo & CiCi broke the real alliance that was in the game.
Show's how clueless you are :rotfl:
Cob, I had no reason to vote out JJ, so I didn't see the harm in doing what I did at the time and I can't say I regret it either.
But I might as well pull out instead of delaying the inevitable. There is no chance I will ever beat you, Daniel or Tongo in a duel or something similar, because you're right, any chances of me winning have been obliterated anyway :lol:
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 10:45 PM
You went at Suspect so hard he could have sued you in a court of law. Sometimes you need to take a step back ;)
*nods* That's actually not bad advice.
Raul:
Camo and CiCi knew I was meant to be part of this original alliance. I can show you PMs if you need proof, but they won't deny it. Camo and me had conversations all the time and he constantly told me he would never vote against me anyway because how bad he felt in the last game, then CiCi even offered to use his idol for me in one of the earlier rounds just in case I was being targetted.
And i didn't vote against you. Ask Nope i didn't even vote this round deliberately. Truthfully i was the only one fighting for the alliance, i was trying to get Cob out because he isn't even playing but TONGO was against it because in his own words (tell me i'm lying TONGO please), he didn't want to make you mad :rotfl:.
I know Camo did as well, he started to get more weary when Cob was added to the alliance.
Because as much as i like him truthfully he shouldn't have been added at that point. That was purely out of your friendship with him which was a selfish move (and your questioning my relationship with JJ this game), the alliance was already massive at that point and you initiated the move on Halfangel without telling TONGO even though she had been in the alliance way longer than him.
Why would I think you wanted to bring me to final 3 when I see you dissolving what was the most powerful Survivor alliance ever?
It was done the moment Daniel added Cobpyth and decided to remove people who had been there longer than him.
Because you betrayed the deal we had?
Er... i think that was you if TONGO was telling the truth about you voting for CiCi. Lets get that straight first, you clearly made him feel he needed to use his idol with that vote against him.
Yeah, that's another thing, why the heck did you vote for me?
So screw Sexy getting me paranoid, because if I hadn't received a vote that round, I never would have used my idol.
Cobpyth
04-03-16, 11:04 PM
Cob, I had no reason to vote out JJ, so I didn't see the harm in doing what I did at the time and I can't say I regret it either.
If you really were afraid of me and Daniel somehow (with no grounded reason by the way, because Daniel had made it very clear to me that he was loyal to the strong alliance that you, TONGO, Camo and him were apparently having during this game), I think it would've been a wiser decision for you and Camo to vote me off. For Raul, Daniel was a more interesting target than me because it was in his interest to break up the big alliance and still keep me in as a possible ally during the final rounds, because I wasn't part of the big alliance either, just like him.
But I might as well pull out instead of delaying the inevitable. There is no chance I will ever beat you, Daniel or Tongo in a duel or something similar, because you're right, any chances of me winning have been obliterated anyway :lol:
I don't really know you that well, but you seem like a perfectly capable person who can win duels against everyone. :)
Always stay in the game. You need to be a survivor, even when things seem hopeless. There's always a chance. Never give up!
From my perspective if none of this had happened....
If JJ wouldve been voted out and no backstab was attempted, then next vote I was gonna push for Cob to go (no offense Cob). He would have been voted out, as Rauld/Camo/CiCi wanted him gone too.
Then after that I would have targetted Rauld, and I WAS trusting Camo & CiCi to back me over him, and not use him as a swing vote against ...whoever.
After that, Im saying all this because it wont happen now, I thought me, Camo, and CiCi would vote off "powerful Dan" and then hopefully Id win immunity at final 3 as I knew Camo & CiCi were commited to each other. Thats what I thought was gonna happen.
Then Nope started reading off names. I kept seeing Daniel M, guys I was truly in shock. I couldnt believe you were going for it because I thought you knew what I would do. There was no hesitation really I was waiting for Nope to say I played the idol for Dan, as I told him beforehand I would play it for myself, Camo, CiCi, and Dan if we were ever voted out. Then I figured he wanted me to say it, and played the super idol, and now my chances for final 2 are better. Hey, Cobby wins immunity at final 3 Im sure ol Tongos history, but my chances are still better now.
Thing is I feel sick. I dont feel a rush of victory at all. I understand why Camo hasnt posted and why CiCi feels crushed, and I am sorry. There is no chance I could trust you to take me to a final 3 when you lied about something this large. If youre thinking positioning, then why keep me around? Hell you even like Dan more so I knew I was out of that loop completely. Hell, even Rauld knew and I didnt. Thats telling (poor Rauld, Im sorry man)
Awhile back 7th warned me this alliance was too big. My philosophy was these things have a way of working themselves out, always grab more time. The spot Cobby is in now is the EXACT spot I was hoping for 7th to be in, just in case someone does something, suddenly youre back in it. Anyway that didnt happen.
My daydream for the final 2 involved a bunch of pictures of King Kong climbing the empire state building with maiden in hand and me getting my ass whipped by CiCi :laugh: Kong falls to his death, and its all campy perfect. I wont take a crap on people to fulfill a daydream though. Ill at least still get my ass kicked ;)
Survivor sucks.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 11:08 PM
And i didn't vote against you. Ask Nope i didn't even vote this round deliberately. Truthfully i was the only one fighting for the alliance, i was trying to get Cob out because he isn't even playing but TONGO was against it because in his own words (tell me i'm lying TONGO please), he didn't want to make you mad :rotfl:.
The good old Camo "abstain". But fair enough, you people should have voted for Cob then. Tongo wouldn't have saved him and if he wasn't involved, I wouldn't have been mad at him. I wouldn't have been mad anyway, I knew it had to come as some point and I'm surprised you didn't get rid of him earlier. I will admit I tried to keep him in and do him favours but I never really asked anything for him, he sorted out Tongo saving him himself, and since then, we all just kind of avoided voting him out.
Because as much as i like him truthfully he shouldn't have been added at that point. That was purely out of your friendship with him which was a selfish move (and your questioning my relationship with JJ this game), the alliance was already massive at that point and you initiated the move on Halfangel without telling TONGO even though she had been in the alliance way longer than him.
Agreed. To be fair though I need to make sure Cobpyth was voting for HalfAngel there as I knew I could trust him 100%, if CiCi didn't listen to me, or one random person had a different vote, it could have dragged someone else into a duel, so I needed two votes. It was a bit selfish, but oh well. I was the one making the decision that did Tongo a massive favour so I figured I'd try and get a little something from it for myself.
It was done the moment Daniel added Cobpyth and decided to remove people who had been there longer than him.
See above.
Cob, Tongo was persuaded we were voting you out, I therefore believed he would use an idol for you, hence we went for Daniel. Camo wanted to target you actually, but I was too stubborn.
I think it would've been a wiser decision for you and Camo to vote me off.
Honestly everyone else will back me up, that's all i've been pushing. I knew the Daniel vote was happening but i both didn't want it too and i knew it wouldn't work.
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 11:14 PM
Oh, well. Like I said -- TONGO used his Super Idol and now it's gone. At least there's that. Something good came out of it anyway.
Tongo, the reason we didn't tell you was because we knew you would have blabbed.
This was never against you, ever. It was just a risk we weren't willing to take.
I understand why Camo hasnt posted
For the record it was my best friends birthday and it is my own in two days; well one i guess since it is 3AM here. I told CiCi that i wouldn't be able to make the challege because of this and he couldn't because he was at a houseparty.
Still can't believe you were so for saving Cob (no offence mate). That is the dumbest move this survivor not the using the super idol, honestly still can't get over you were afraid of getting Daniel mad :facepalm:
Cob, Tongo was persuaded we were voting you out, I therefore believed he would use an idol for you, hence we went for Daniel. Camo wanted to target you actually, but I was too stubborn.
Good gosh what are you thinking?! I wouldnt have played the idol for anyone but you 3, I said that. I told Camo directly last night I wasnt gonna play the idol for Cob or Rauld.
Yall been played by Sexy. I know he orchestrated this mess because we never had this much miscommunication before.
I know, and I'm sorry, but it does hurt that you'd choose someone who is never here over us two :lol:
rauldc14
04-03-16, 11:20 PM
I'm skeptical that Tongo wouldn't have saved Cob. Maybe not, but there's a chance he still would have. He was voting JJ
Cob, Tongo was persuaded we were voting you out, I therefore believed he would use an idol for you, hence we went for Daniel. Camo wanted to target you actually, but I was too stubborn.
Good gosh what are you thinking?! I wouldnt have played the idol for anyone but you 3, I said that. I told Camo directly last night I wasnt gonna play the idol for Cob or Rauld.
Yall been played by Sexy. I know he orchestrated this mess because we never had this much miscommunication before.
Bollocks, and you know it.
This started when one of you voted for me.
Good gosh what are you thinking?! I wouldnt have played the idol for anyone but you 3, I said that. I told Camo directly last night I wasnt gonna play the idol for Cob or Rauld.
Yall been played by Sexy. I know he orchestrated this mess because we never had this much miscommunication before.
And i told CiCi you said that so we should change our vote to Cob.
Also just back guys i've had to go through a bunch of pages so if you messaged me i'm just reading them now.
Again for the record SC hasn't messaged me once this game and if he did i'd take what he said with a heavy grain of salt. No offence SC.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 11:24 PM
Still can't believe you were so for saving Cob (no offence mate). That is the dumbest move this survivor not the using the super idol, honestly still can't get over you were afraid of getting Daniel mad :facepalm:
To be fair though, all the other people he was voting off instead of Cobpyth weren't in our alliance, right or wrong. That's something else too consider, obviously the argument is that the makeup of the alliance was flawed anyway. I wouldn't have been offended if he voted off Cobpyth when the non-Alliance members had gone, well I wouldn't have been offended at all. I just dropped subtle hints and tried to get him to stay in if he could because he's a friend, nothing more than that involved. He hasn't been on that much, but I have hardly been Mr. Active either.
And I don't think Tongo would have ever used his super idol on Cobpyth. Even if you "betrayed him" by going for him instead of JJ, sure, he might be annoyed you didn't do what he said, but he wouldn't waste his super idol over it. In the end he probably would have thanked you for doing it, and making him not look like a bad guy in front of me, keeping me on side.
It's pretty awful but unsurprising if it was you who voted for CiCi and you deliberately pushed the idea that it was Daniel onto me TONGO.
Not true again, he instructed us to vote off 7th who was in our alliance over people who weren't like JJ or rauld
It's pretty awful but unsurprising if it was you who voted for CiCi and you deliberately pushed the idea that it was Daniel onto me TONGO.
No, CiCi told me Dan voted for him. C's said Rauld told him. I told you this. Why are you pretending otherwise?
Sexy Celebrity
04-03-16, 11:27 PM
Again for the record SC hasn't messaged me once this game and if he did i'd take what he said with a heavy grain of salt. No offence SC.
I will take offense if you'd rather listen to Crazy TONGO over me. I'm not here to screw up anybody's game.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 11:28 PM
Not true again, he instructed us to vote off 7th who was in our alliance over people who weren't like JJ or rauld
Slightly different though after 7thson publically disassociated himself with the alliance and called himself a "free agent" and made a move against Tongo in thread. That was all my fault anyway.
Not true again, he instructed us to vote off 7th who was in our alliance over people who weren't like JJ or rauld
Yeah after 7th used a KO on me, after using one on Dan already, I was gunning for him, HARD!
Keep smearing guys :nope:
No, to be fair to you Daniel, I was partly to blame for that as well. I pushed for her to be gone, too.
Yeah after 7th used a KO on me, after using one on Dan already, I was gunning for him, HARD!
Keep smearing guys :nope:
Tongo, I do like you and I don't want to fall out, but don't start on me for smearing :lol:
Well Daniel, it is obvious i was partially trying to save JJ by pushing for Cob so much. Even if i wasn't though everything i was saying made perfect sense, Cobpyth has barely played (again no offence mate) and it was clear your friendship with him had made you move against someone who had been with us from near enough the start without telling TONGO which brought up his problems with 7thson later. The fact is you were the one who screwed up the whole alliance by adding Cob when more than half the game was already with us then the Halfangel move then you voted for CiCi if TONGO is telling the truth. You were the reason everything went wrong.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 11:32 PM
No, to be fair to you Daniel, I was partly to blame for that as well. I pushed for her to be gone, too.
Ha, I forgot all about that actually.
Daniel M
04-03-16, 11:35 PM
Well Daniel, it is obvious i was partially trying to save JJ by pushing for Cob so much. Even if i wasn't though everything i was saying made perfect sense, Cobpyth has barely played (again no offence mate) and it was clear your friendship with him had made you move against someone who had been with us from near enough the start without telling TONGO which brought up his problems with 7thson later. The fact is you were the one who screwed up the whole alliance by adding Cob when more than half the game was already with us then the Halfangel move then you voted for CiCi if TONGO is telling the truth. You were the reason everything went wrong.
Cobpyth added himself. I said to Tongo that I'll vote off Cobpyth if he wants,well, that I was fine with him going and then he told me later that he spoke with him and he was gonna change his vote to get rid of Gatsby instead.
And yeah I actually PMed CiCi asking if we were to make a move and protect Tongo who would you suggest from the alliance. I actually forgot this happened. He said HalfAngel, so I agreed to make it look like I was going along with him and we could trust each other.
Still can't believe you were so for saving Cob (no offence mate). That is the dumbest move this survivor not the using the super idol, honestly still can't get over you were afraid of getting Daniel mad :facepalm:
Camo youre a liar.
I said it made no sense getting Dan mad, doing a betrayal, etc.... i said alot of things, youre just taking a segment of something I said to smear. I dont play Survivor afraid Camo.
Im not Dans puppet, yall get your heads out of your butts right quick on that one. Ive been doing everything in my power for the alliance I formed, not the one Dan formed, and Dan hasnt even been around much compared to me. He sure didnt tell me to play 2 hidden idols to save him, that was all my call. Is he a better player than me? Yes. Is he a better player than me this game? No, but Im sure he'd have something to say about that . ;)
No Im not gonna break from Cob & Dan, just telling the truth. Try it sometime.
The fact is you were the one who screwed up the whole alliance by adding Cob when more than half the game was already with us then the Halfangel move then you voted for CiCi if TONGO is telling the truth. You were the reason everything went wrong.
Thats a lie.
If you felt Dan broke the alliance then why am I now hearing about it? Sadly youre just "saying stuff", Cob approached me Camo wanting the alliance. I said ok and we voted out someone else
TONGO you are hilarious. It wasn't some small thing you said you said it multiple times, you are afraid of Daniel you even started talking some nonsense about Daniel and JJ shacking up if we voted off Cob :facepalm:, again tell me i'm lying please. Now that is a THREAT. Was pretty much what you said in reference to a Daniel and JJ alliance out of nowhere.
Loving that this is all coming out during rather than after the game.
Tongo, don't dare start on Camo either, he's telling the truth. If you weren't afraid, you would have listened to us, realised what we were saying was valid, and let us eliminate one of your biggest threats.
You said to us not to vote Cob because you didn't want to make Daniel mad, that's the definition of playing afraid.
Also, just since everyone else has already said it and i'm joining late no hard feelings here guys either, just having fun.
You also told me you were voting for JJ so Dan wouldn't be mad and that you wouldn't use your superidol on Cob if we voted him off. Was pretty clear to me that you wanted us to do that to Cob so you could tell Daniel you were the only one who stuck with him, really wish everyone else listened to me and went for Cob, your game would be slightly more or at least equally hilarious as it is now.
Cobpyth
04-03-16, 11:54 PM
TONGO protected me instead of Gatsby that round, because I promised him my loyalty (and Gatsby hadn't). It was a logical choice for TONGO to keep me in the game, because I was going to do what he wanted me to do (and Gatsby might be loyal to other players, which would've been a disadvantage for him). The fact that he still has me on his side, proves that he was right.
He always was very open about the fact that I was at the bottom of the pack though and that I would be the first to get eliminated if we were at the last 7 or 6 or something.
I always voted his way, except for the time that I protected him against JJ's scheme, which was targeted at him, together with Daniel and CiCi when we voted off Halfangel (I never had contact with CiCi, but I knew he was in on that too).
I wonder if someone knew about JJ's plan to try and eliminate TONGO, by the way? Camo? :p
Tongo, don't dare start on Camo either, he's telling the truth. If you weren't afraid, you would have listened to us, realised what we were saying was valid, and let us eliminate one of your biggest threats.
You said to us not to vote Cob because you didn't want to make Daniel mad, that's the definition of playing afraid.
Wow.
What could Dan have done if I didnt play the idol for him? How was I so afraid to where Id play 2 hidden idols to bring an ally back that EVERYONE WAS VOTING AGAINST. I had nobody back me on this play....how is that playing afraid? You want to quote some line I said in a PM CiCi or do you want to judge me on what I do? :)
EVERYONE
Get your facts straight! I was the only one fighting for this alliance, Daniel screwed up by voting for CiCi and your ridiculous fear of Daniel put the nail in the coffin.
Camo?
Ugh, yeah? And TONGO and Daniel and CiCi and Raul and 7thson, hell Mark F probably knew, it wasn't as if everyone else didn't know JJ was gunning for those two. Both of them PMd me about it.
You also told me you were voting for JJ so Dan wouldn't be mad and that you wouldn't use your superidol on Cob if we voted him off. Was pretty clear to me that you wanted us to do that to Cob so you could tell Daniel you were the only one who stuck with him, really wish everyone else listened to me and went for Cob, your game would be slightly more or at least equally hilarious as it is now.
You have some nerve. You were like a scared little rabbit when the brawn tribe was formed "Oh Tongo youre gonna betray me" then "Oh Tongo I feel youre gonna ally with 7thson over me" blah blah blah, and I was doing everything in my power to keep CiCi and HalfAngel from voting out each other the whole time too ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TRIBE!
I formed an alliance pre-game that survived 3 tribes, and most of a merge. I found 2 hidden idols, and you weasled the answer to CiCi that I gave you which got him an idol, and that super idol fueled us to this point, where I used it, and just might have secured final 2.
Whats your game Camo? :)
Tongo, I swear this is the last time I ever try to act in your best interests.
If you weren't afraid, you would have left him eliminated.
And you've done more than show your true colours with that single post against Camo, have fun convincing people you deserve to win after that mess.
Get your facts straight! I was the only one fighting for this alliance, Daniel screwed up by voting for CiCi and your ridiculous fear of Daniel put the nail in the coffin.
Oh! Oh I see what youre doing now! Youre trying to use peer pressure on me :laugh: Sorry but you can continue making an ass out of yourself saying Im afraid of Daniel if it helps you feel better. Youre straight up drunk if you think you were the one working for this alliance. You bitched to many worries of betrayal to be so committed and your actions prove it, "Mr I wasnt here for the vote." Even CiCi has more character than you for owing up to what he did.
I formed an alliance pre-game that survived 3 tribes, and most of a merge. I found 2 hidden idols, and you weasled the answer to CiCi that I gave you which got him an idol, and that super idol fueled us to this point, where I used it, and just might have secured final 2.
Whats your game Camo?
Gave the answer to JJ too and i'm proud to have done that :cool:. Also told you i did as soon as i did.
Must say after reading this comment the most deserved vote the other day was clearly the "person who mistakenly thinks he's in charge". Pretty sad how little you've known about this game honestly, hilarious though.
Can't wait til the next round when TONGO votes for himself to save Daniel :D
And you wonder why you won those negative awards, Tongo
And don't kid yourself by thinking you've made the final two, not a single person here would be willing to do that after tonight.
you even started talking some nonsense about Daniel and JJ shacking up if we voted off Cob , again tell me i'm lying please. Now that is a THREAT. Was pretty much what you said in reference to a Daniel and JJ alliance out of nowhere.
Also you convienantly glossed over this. Did you say this or am i lying again?
Tongo, I swear this is the last time I ever try to act in your best interests.
If you weren't afraid, you would have left him eliminated.
You didnt act in my best interest on this but your own interests. If youre actually believing Im partnered with Dan out of fear, well youre too impressionable.
I dont play "friends first" Survivor. I would have joined 7th if that was the case. I do it from a position of strength, not fear of whats unknown.
I feel like Im wasting my time trying to talk to yall.
Then why did we try persistently to persuade you that you were wrong? Believe it or not, we preferred you to a lot of the other players and we could see us all being eliminated shortly.
Again, I even offered to eliminate myself for you and Camo, I wasn't being selfish here, and you know that.
you even started talking some nonsense about Daniel and JJ shacking up if we voted off Cob , again tell me i'm lying please. Now that is a THREAT. Was pretty much what you said in reference to a Daniel and JJ alliance out of nowhere.
Also you convienantly glossed over this. Did you say this or am i lying again?
Again, youre takiing a small segment in a PM of many PMs sent trying to explain to you the faults in your plan.
Now you saying thats the only reason I gave, well Camo YOU ARE A LIAR! I sent at least a half dozen PMs to you about this vote and I mentioned briefly he might get mad and ally with JJ, there were tons of reasons I brought out.
Then why did we try persistently to persuade you that you were wrong? Believe it or not, we preferred you to a lot of the other players and we could see us all being eliminated shortly.
Again, I even offered to eliminate myself for you and Camo, I wasn't being selfish here, and you know that.
Those were pretty words CiCi, but by your actions here I think you would have found yourself wanting to go to final 2 if it was between me and Camo, you probably believed it when you said it, but it usually doesnt work out that way
Where did i say that was the only reason you gave? YOU SIR HAVE JUST BEEN CAUGHT LYING!!!
Still most of your reasons revolved around you not wanting to get Daniel mad and you know it.
And you wonder why you won those negative awards, Tongo
Ok, yall have fun. See ya at the challenge.
Those were pretty words CiCi, but by your actions here I think you would have found yourself wanting to go to final 2 if it was between me and Camo, you probably believed it when you said it, but it usually doesnt work out that way
Believe what you want, but both of you helped me through both games and I would have re payed that if we got to that stage. It would have been the least I could have done :lol:
Where did i say that was the only reason you gave? YOU SIR HAVE JUST BEEN CAUGHT LYING!!!
Still most of your reasons revolved around you not wanting to get Daniel mad and you know it.
Im loyal Camo. You 2 went against the alliance. Im loyal to any alliance Im in, especially one Ive formed. I told you I would be.
Believe what you want, but both of you helped me through both games and I would have re payed that if we got to that stage. It would have been the least I could have done :lol:
Yeah yeah yeah....you need to stay in the game so you and Camo can beat on me some more. ;)
Yeah, TONGO we were all against you or whatever. That's why we tried to get you to vote for Cob. There was no reason for us to even let you know we were thinking about voting for Cob, either you'd use your Super Idol on him or not but we included you. Still i guess fear of Daniel is a powerful thing.
#peer pressure
And you wonder why you won those negative awards, Tongo
Ok, yall have fun. See ya at the challenge.
In those responses to Camo, you were being pretty toxic, Tongo.
Nevertheless, I do apologise for that, that was sh!tty of me.
Yeah yeah yeah....you need to stay in the game so you and Camo can beat on me some more. ;)
Tongo, I'm quitting this game as it is, and I apologise again for anything I said that was out of line, I shouldn't have let my emotions get the better of me, and they did.
Im loyal Camo. You 2 went against the alliance. Im loyal to any alliance Im in, especially one Ive formed. I told you I would be.
I honestly believe you are loyal, haven't said otherwise. Still i believe you are scared of Daniel and that along with Daniel voting for CiCi was the main reason things broke down. I mean someone in his alliance voted for him for no reason; not sure why you think he'd stick with you after that. Anything me or CiCi did was after that, and after the unneccessary Cob addition (again no offecen mate haha).
In those responses to Camo, you were being pretty toxic, Tongo.
Youre right. My temper is an issue. My responses can be....extreme at times. Yodas had to get on me in the leagues on rare occasion...well some..........oh who am I bsing Im on the to be banned list.
Seriously though, I am sorry to Sexy for biting back so hard, and to you two too. Im sorry to Rauld even!
Ill be back later.
Yeah, don't quit though :(. Think that is the only thing TONGO will agree with me about tonight.
haha. You don't have to apologize TONGO, i haven't taken anything to heart.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 12:31 AM
OMG you people are still talking.
Camo, I could cry though, I really was disgusting tonight, and I don't deserve to win after all of this.
I do wish everyone else all the best of luck though. You have balls of steel :lol:
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 12:32 AM
Ugh, yeah? And TONGO and Daniel and CiCi and Raul and 7thson
Well, I obviously did too or otherwise I wouldn't have voted for Halfangel to protect TONGO, but my question to you then is this:
Why didn't you propose to TONGO to split the vote, like Daniel, CiCi and I did in secret when we voted off Halfangel, to help him not lose his super idol? Did you secretly want him to lose his super idol because you were afraid that he was becoming too powerful?
From my perspective, and I might be wrong, but I think I'm not, you always kept JJ in the back of your head as a back-up plan, because you didn't fully trust anyone on your core alliance (especially Daniel and TONGO when I came in the picture). You abstained from voting several times to remain as neutral as possible and in the end decided not to reveal this hostile plan to vote off Daniel, a member of your core alliance. Especially that last move I would personally see as betrayal, if I had been part of that core alliance (which of course I wasn't).
Everyone has a certain amount of "paranoid feelings" during this game. You can never fully trust anyone. The only two mistakes you can really make in Survivor is trusting someone who then betrays you or not trusting someone who was actually loyal to you. You and CiCi made that second mistake this round, because certain elements that were happening in the game went to your head and made you paranoid.
This shouldn't be a time of blaming TONGO. This should be a time of "blaming" yourself for making a bad call. ;)
I also want to end this post, written at 5:30 AM, with this important cliché:
IT'S JUST A GAME! We should all keep being friendly to eachother. Don't take stuff like this personally.
Cob: Because CiCi told me what you guys were doing.
But I might as well pull out instead of delaying the inevitable.
I tried this before and let me tell you it is a method that is messy and doesn't work well at all.
haha. You don't have to apologize TONGO, i haven't taken anything to heart.
Thanks man
From my perspective, and I might be wrong, but I think I'm not, you always kept JJ in the back of your head as a back-up plan, because you didn't fully trust anyone on your core alliance (especially Daniel and TONGO when I came in the picture). You abstained from voting several times to remain as neutral as possible and in the end decided not to reveal this hostile plan to vote off Daniel, a member of your core alliance. Especially that last move I would personally see as betrayal, if I had been part of that core alliance (which of course I wasn't).
JJ approached me about helping him find an idol and he would do the same for me. I had the answer from TONGO and hadn't realized at first that it was the same question for all three tribes (which still baffles me), so i gave him and CiCi who was on the Beauty Tribe the answer. Admittedly when you came along i started to distrust Daniel a bit but at no point did i suggest or even hint at going after him, i didn't for you either until this latest vote which was admittedly partially to save JJ, I didn't keep JJ as a back up and i didn't string him along or promise him anything and i'm sure he'll come in saying the same. JJ, had been loyal to me and had helped me out which is why i felt i needed to return the favour this round, frankly he deserved to be here more than you since you've barely played.
I abstained from two votes this one and another vote in which i wasn't the only one to do so. This time around i knew it wasn't a good idea to go for Daniel, it was obvious TONGO was going to use his super idol on him and i'm just gutted the others didn't listen to me. I wasn't trying to be neutral i knew i would be on the other side now but i still wasn't behind the idea of voting for Daniel and even if i was my vote would have been useless. Again Daniel, was the first one to have betrayed anyone with his baffling vote for CiCi again if Tongo is telling the truth.
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 12:50 AM
Cob: Because CiCi told me what you guys were doing.
I see. So CiCi didn't actually keep it a secret then. That's understandable and fair.
You basically confirmed your JJ back-up plan on the earlier page, so I guess that's why you're not adressing that part of my post anymore. Or you're simply as tired as I am right now. :p
Anyway, this is the kind of round that makes me happy that I joined this game. A twist with some good drama is what makes a Survivor edition memorable!
Just typed that all out Cob. Where did i confirm my JJ back up plan on the last page? JJ, honestly wasn't a back up for me. If he was i would say now since he is out, frankly i was constantly risking myself in the game by keeping in touch with him.
Again Daniel, was the first one to have betrayed anyone with his baffling vote for CiCi again if Tongo is telling the truth.
I told what I was told, I have no way of knowing for sure what was up with that. I told you to talk to CiCi about it since he was the one that told me.
This can be a game of seconds too - that trivia challenge I was determined to win and I had to go through some tough players to get to the final bracket. Some things are just destined to go a certain way and I blew the answer even though I beat Camos time to get my post up. Course we can all whine about things like that, but I had this recipe in my head to make it and that included knocking people out at just the right moment to piss them off. it really was fun to do, but there was a method there. I wanted emotions to get hot and people to scratch their heads and it was more than just trying to cause chaos. I also wanted to mention my plan A since it really doesn't effect matters right now: My original plan was at some point to vote for Halfangel - yep, and I hope she doesn't read this, no one better PM her either ;).
I was going to make it look like someone else did it because why would I do that? I know she had support from others because of the last game and she had some great networking that I did not. I did not want her out of the game but I wanted to create a decent number of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type alliance. It totally was never able to come to fruition because she started working OT and couldn't be here hardly at all thus losing any confidence from others she had going for her. Just mentioning this cause it is funny how things totally went the other way because I made the mistake of having faith in my alliance. That mistake will not happen again next time I play. Still a fun game and wouldn't change much after the Halfangel vote-out.
So much I want to reveal, but the monkey wrenches I threw out there need to be revolved still.
I beat Camos time to get my post up.
Obviously you did because you guessed. I looked it up because i didn't know, if you did the same then who knows who would have won . TONGO has twice won a challenge because of questions i asked one of those i didn't realize Nope had answered on a new page which cost me. Still those were fair wins.
Oh definitely a fair win, wasnt complaining other than I should not have guessed I should have looked it up too. I mean I did look it up but by then too late. My point was how a whole game of Survivor can hinge on a second - thats part of the fun. Wasn't trying to take away from your win.
Wasn't thinking you were doing that. It just made it seem like i was slower and i wanted to clarify what happened. After i saw your answer i had to look it up again to make sure you weren't right haha.
Thats all you took from my post? So defensive I shall shower you with trophies:
;)
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Obviously you did because you guessed. I looked it up because i didn't know, if you did the same then who knows who would have won . TONGO has twice won a challenge because of questions i asked one of those i didn't realize Nope had answered on a new page which cost me. Still those were fair wins.
I stole that 2nd win unintentionally from you cause you were on wrong page, but that first time I think I just went off info from an answer you got which is part of the game.
The question I have, why wasnt there 5 or 6 posts of Leon: The Professional in a row after Nope started that challenge where you "find" it by guessing wrong. I guess everyone else was trying to have finesse and I jumped in like a fat boy in a kiddie pool.
I stole that 2nd win unintentionally from you cause you were on wrong page, but that first time I think I just went off info from an answer you got which is part of the game.
The question I have, why wasnt there 5 or 6 posts of Leon: The Professional in a row after Nope started that challenge where you "find" it by guessing wrong. I guess everyone else was trying to have finesse and I jumped in like a fat boy in a kiddie pool.
I couldnt be here on time dammit
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 01:19 AM
JJ approached me about helping him find an idol and he would do the same for me. I had the answer from TONGO and hadn't realized at first that it was the same question for all three tribes (which still baffles me), so i gave him and CiCi who was on the Beauty Tribe the answer.
With "using him as a back-up", I meant exactly this. You kept him close and helped him in case you would've needed him later (which ultimately you kind of did in this round, but unfortunately he didn't listen to you and voted for Daniel).
Admittedly when you came along i started to distrust Daniel a bit but at no point did i suggest or even hint at going after him, i didn't for you either until this latest vote which was admittedly partially to save JJ, I didn't keep JJ as a back up and i didn't string him along or promise him anything and i'm sure he'll come in saying the same. JJ, had been loyal to me and had helped me out which is why i felt i needed to return the favour this round, frankly he deserved to be here more than you since you've barely played.
The votes decide who deserves to be in the game and who doesn't. That's the game and that's how I always play it. The strategy behind the voting is the aspect of the game that fascinates me the most by far. But of course I get what you're saying here. ;)
I abstained from two votes this one and another vote in which i wasn't the only one to do so. This time around i knew it wasn't a good idea to go for Daniel, it was obvious TONGO was going to use his super idol on him and i'm just gutted the others didn't listen to me. I wasn't trying to be neutral i knew i would be on the other side now but i still wasn't behind the idea of voting for Daniel and even if i was my vote would have been useless.
Then I don't get why you didn't tell TONGO immediately that Daniel was going to be voted off. That would've been a much stronger strategic move on your part. This would've been the best move because of two reasons:
1) TONGO would have still trusted you (which he rightfully doesn't anymore, of course) and you would still be on the core alliance and have a great shot at winning the whole thing.
2) TONGO could've saved one of his idols (because he could've used just one idol before the announcement of the votes, instead of two, which makes a super idol, after the announcement to protect Daniel), which would've been good for you too of course, because he was in an alliance with you.
I think you not saying anything about the Daniel vote to TONGO (when you knew it was the wrong move), is what truly makes me think that JJ was more than just a flirt to you, even if it was only subconsciously. It affected your rationality. :p
Again Daniel, was the first one to have betrayed anyone with his baffling vote for CiCi.
I don't know for sure about this, but knowing Daniel's playing style, I would be very surprised if he ever did that.
I stole that 2nd win unintentionally from you cause you were on wrong page, but that first time I think I just went off info from an answer you got which is part of the game.
The question I have, why wasnt there 5 or 6 posts of Leon: The Professional in a row after Nope started that challenge where you "find" it by guessing wrong. I guess everyone else was trying to have finesse and I jumped in like a fat boy in a kiddie pool.
I was really pissed at that Leon thing being a part of it and decided not to take part. Still think that was a horrible idea, so was the give three tribes the same idol question haha.
With "using him as a back-up", I meant exactly this. You kept him close and helped him in case you would've needed him later (which ultimately you kind of did in this round, but unfortunately he didn't listen to you and voted for Daniel).
Nah, i told him to just vote along with the others since it was clear they were going for Daniel. It was JJ who approached me, i gave him the answer but i didn't expect anything in return, JJ repaid me more than once and we just stayed in contact. We usually talk outside Survivor anyway so it wouldn't be weird for us to keep in touch about the game, and yeah in the last round i did try my utmost to keep him in the game. The thing is this was at great risk to myself a back-up would surely be someone who is disposable, i heavily pressed TONGO about voting for you and tried to convince him that JJ wasn't a threat i knew there was a good chance he'd tell you and Daniel and you'd decide to vote for me but i kept it up anyway.
hat's the game and that's how I always play it.
Thing is you haven't played it :D.
Then I don't get why you didn't tell TONGO immediately that Daniel was going to be voted off. That would've been a much stronger strategic move on your part. This would've been the best move because of two reasons
To all this CiCi was always my #1 ally, something that was never a secret (was the same in Survivor 4). He wasn't happy that Daniel voted for him so it's not surprising he was going for him and i wasn't going to give up my #1 allies plan whether it was the smarter move or not.
I don't know for sure about this, but knowing Daniel's playing style, I would be very surprised if he ever did that.
Well, TONGO seemed to be sure it was him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n92ATE3IgIs
Well, TONGO seemed to be sure it was him.
CiCi told me. You want to ask him or should I post the PM? Ive kind of got the feeling CiCi doesnt want to talk about any of this now, especially something like that.
Obviously CiCi was just trying to find out who it was. He actually thought it was most likely Cob but you seemed pretty certain it was Daniel.
Who voted CiCi, and more strangely, why? I assume 7th & JJ voted Cob, and 7th uses a hypno, thats 3 votes. I used my extra vote power, though it wasnt needed cause the 4th vote went to CiCi, which makes no sense. Who da **** voted CiCi?!
Tongo, I voted for Cob this time to repay 7th in a sense for being decent about the angel incident, and also because Cob is never around in the thread anyway. I knew 7th had enough votes to get him out as it was. I thought I should explain first.
Apparently though, it was Daniel, rauld told me so, although I'm not sure whether to believe him or not
Oh please dont let someone manipulate your vote again :nope: As for Daniel voting for you......that doesnt smell right CiCi. Daniel is just not that stupid to do something unless he knows itll work. SIGH! Ask Camo (Edit in - I meant to say Rauld there) how he "knows" this, I just dont think this has Dans name written on it.
I won't!
It was rauld who told me this and I think it is to play with my mind. Something big is coming towards you and Daniel. DO NOT SAY A WORD, not even to Daniel but Rauld and JJ are planning on this and expect myself to join them.
After this PM and 7th in the thread, I don't think I'll be joining them. Be careful! :)
Heres the two PMs. At one point I said Camos name when I meant to say Rauld. I couldnt picture Rauld "knowing" something in the game, no offense Rauld
Ask Camo how he "knows" this,
?
He clearly said Raul told him that, why was i brought up? In your PMs to me you were sure he was right and that Daniel voted for him.
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He clearly said Raul told him that, why was i brought up? In your PMs to me you were sure he was right and that Daniel voted for him.
I typed the wrong name, I explained that
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 01:55 AM
Nah, i told him to just vote along with the others since it was clear they were going for Daniel. It was JJ who approached me, i gave him the answer but i didn't expect anything in return, JJ repaid me more than once and we just stayed in contact. We usually talk outside Survivor anyway so it wouldn't be weird for us to keep in touch about the game, and yeah in the last round i did try my utmost to keep him in the game. The thing is this was at great risk to myself a back-up would surely be someone who is disposable, i heavily pressed TONGO about voting for you and tried to convince him that JJ wasn't a threat i knew there was a good chance he'd tell you and Daniel and you'd decide to vote for me but i kept it up anyway.
That wasn't the best advice you could've given. The two of you should've just voted for me. TONGO would've used his idol on Daniel, JJ would still be in the game and I would've been out.
To all this CiCi was always my #1 ally, something that was never a secret (was the same in Survivor 4). He wasn't happy that Daniel voted for him so it's not surprising he was going for him and i wasn't going to give up my #1 allies plan whether it was the smarter move or not.
Amiable, but unfortunately not always profitable in a game like this.
Anyway, nice back and forth. It was my pleasure. Now I'm off too bed. Good night/morning! :p
That wasn't the best advice you could've given. The two of you should've just voted for me. TONGO would've used his idol on Daniel, JJ would still be in the game and I would've been out.
No, best case scenario there one of us would've been in a duel with you. If you, TONGO and Daniel voted for JJ and me and JJ voted for you then that would have been 3 against 2 after TONGO used his idol on Daniel. Also TONGO has a double vote that would've meant 4-2 if he used it, our best hope would have been for TONGO to use his single vote and you to have missed the vote which would have meant you vs JJ in a duel but that was highly unlikely. Truthfully, the best chance was for all of us to vote for you like i wanted to but it was understandable that he wanted Daniel out after believing he voted for him.
Goodnight. Going to bed myself :)
Not sure why you repped that TONGO it was clearly wrong but whatever. Goodnight everyone.
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 02:13 AM
Well, both Daniel (I think) and I missed the vote this round and I believe I even announced my absence a few days ago, so I was counting with those numbers. I didn't know you weren't aware of that. Still splitting the vote would've always been the right move if you couldn't get everyone to vote for me, because at least it would've given JJ a shot. TONGO would probably not have used his double vote to help me, by the way, but then we're back at the whole trust-distrust bit I was talking about earlier of course.
Goodnight! :)
Not sure why you repped that TONGO it was clearly wrong but whatever. Goodnight everyone.
Not denying anything, but I dont know what rep youre talking about.
Camo the PMs I sent you about Dan supposedly voting CiCi, I said this was stuff CiCi told me and to talk to him. I said it more than once to you to ask him and thats where it was coming from.
Well, both Daniel (I think) and I missed the vote this round and I believe I even announced my absence a few days ago, so I was counting with those numbers. I didn't know you weren't aware of that. Still splitting the vote would've always been the right move if you couldn't get everyone to vote for me, because at least it would've given JJ a shot. TONGO would probably not have used his double vote to help me, by the way, but then we're back at the whole trust-distrust bit I was talking about earlier of course.
Goodnight! :)
Only me and you missed this vote. CiCi used his double vote which is why there was six votes. Daniel voted for JJ which is why there was two for him.
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 02:19 AM
JJ had 1 vote. ;)
Final vote results:
Dan - 4 votes (do not count)
JJ - 1 vote
1 Hypnotize used
Idol played for CiCi
Idol Played for Dan
Raul used his hypnotize. CiCi must have used his single vote then.
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 02:26 AM
That makes sense.
The point remains that you still could've saved JJ with two votes against me, though.
We could've but we didn't know if TONGO was going to use his double vote or not. There was also a good chance (at least we thought) that TONGO and Daniel wouldn't vote for JJ since TONGO thought CiCi might use his idol on JJ. Truthfully the only good chance we had was to all vote for you like i suggested.
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 02:38 AM
Truthfully the only good chance we had was to all vote for you like i suggested.
Yeah, that was by far the best option. No doubt about that. That option wasn't available, though, because of CiCi, so I personally would've done the second best thing, which was the split-vote option (which would've resulted in 3 Daniel, 2 Cobpyth, 1 JJ and therefore my elimination).
Anyway, now it's really time to go to bed. See you around, mate!
Im tired and accidentally repped you Camo, the right play wasnt getting rid of Cob, but JJ. I wouldnt have used my double vote this tribal because it was supposed to be a lopsided vote for JJ to go out. I told you this. Dude you disbelieved me way too much.
I gotta go to bed Im just rambling.
jiraffejustin
04-04-16, 03:44 AM
I just got back in, but I really wish you guys would have listened to me about three votes ago. TONGO would have been forced to burn his super idol. My idea was to risk my neck to put pressure on the person who has the most in his toolbox. I knew it would eventually lead to my elimination, but I just didn't have the pull to get people to vote according to my plans. I was basically defeated after not winning the immunity this last time, and it was even worse when TONGO won the immunity. I knew it was over. I wanted to split the votes this time (and others) but at least this time it made sense that with all the idols and double-votes and whatever else he had, TONGO could get me out regardless. You can check my posts after losing the last immunity challenge. I posted "Sayonara."
I really don't like the backstabbing and lying involved with the game, so for me, I have a hard time succeeding. It's my fault for not going out of my way to add allies early on, but I knew with a bunch of allies I would eventually have to turn on somebody. That's not fun for me, but I do like other aspects of the game. This game had me more active in the forum than I have lately become, which is what I was hoping for.
I just want to let TONGO know that even though I kept gunning for him, it was nothing motivated by ill will. You just had all the advantages, and I didn't want to let it get to the point where you could dominate the votes with all of those advantages. My efforts were to no avail though. :D
Anyway, good luck to everybody still in the game.
JJ youre cool, dont stress it. :)
You did a damn strong job with the nothing you had to work with. You'd still be in, and just to get rid of you cost me the Super Idol! Not too shabby ;)
Well this is an, um, entertaining read so far. :lol:
I said hi to Tongo when he sent his PM, but he never answered. :(
rauldc14
04-04-16, 05:09 AM
Really when you think about it, Tongo could have used one idol and saved his pal Dan since he had immunity. That's what truly makes me believe he had a thought to save Cob. Again I could be wrong but that's my .02¢
rauldc14
04-04-16, 05:29 AM
And one more thing Tongo, I really dislike that you keep saying that I'm clueless about this game. Even if you feel that way it seems a bit too much. I was legitimately listening to you this whole game up till the past couples votes until I could sense that I was indeed your pawn, not Cici or Camos.
Daniel M
04-04-16, 09:15 AM
I never voted for CiCi by the way, not even sure when this happened, I assume the 7thson vote? I don't know. This whole argument about someone voting for her, I missed.
Well this is an, um, entertaining read so far. :lol:
I said hi to Tongo when he sent his PM, but he never answered. :(
I cant honestly remember getting it from you, maybe I cleaned my PM box and accidentally erased it. Sorry Gats :)
Really when you think about it, Tongo could have used one idol and saved his pal Dan since he had immunity. That's what truly makes me believe he had a thought to save Cob. Again I could be wrong but that's my .02¢
I wasnt gonna save you or Cob with the super idol Rauld. If you dont believe me, then you just dont.
And one more thing Tongo, I really dislike that you keep saying that I'm clueless about this game. Even if you feel that way it seems a bit too much. I was legitimately listening to you this whole game up till the past couples votes until I could sense that I was indeed your pawn, not Cici or Camos.
Sorry you dont like me saying you were clueless this game. Rauld me and you spoke maybe 3 times while the game was going on, and not even any long talk. How can that be me manipulating you, and not Camo? Was Camo my puppet, is that what you mean? Dude sometimes pretty words arent true. Think. :)
rauldc14
04-04-16, 11:07 AM
I was included on all of your group messages for strategy. If you had no intention of keeping me around I would call that the definition of a pawn :)
I was included on all of your group messages for strategy. If you had no intention of keeping me around I would call that the definition of a pawn :)
I was talking one on one PMs, not the mass PMs
Then you can call everyone that wasnt in the Core 4 alliance a pawn. Hell Rauld, right now Im most likely the biggest pawn in the game. All of you can beat me in the final.
I told Camo this and hes obviously not coming clean to you, but we (me Camo Dan) were not wanting to tell you who everyone was in the alliance. We figured the best way of doing it was say who to vote for. If you never went rogue then you had nothing to worry about. We never intended to take anyone outside of the 4 alliance into the final 4, well that was the plan until yesterday. Thats really all of it Rauld, theres nothing else I can think of to say. Im sorry man.
Is there a challenge at 6pm est after the 5pm est vote?
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:21 PM
Is there a challenge at 6pm est after the 5pm est vote?
Yes, but everyone has voted, so I will read the votes now.
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:22 PM
The votes are in!
I am going to read the votes one at a time, the person voted out will be asked to leave the tribal council immediately.
http://thumbnails.cbsig.net/CBS_Production_Entertainment/CBS_Production_Entertainment/2009/05/07/Primetime/Survivor/Season_18/Clips/Episode_12/42/699/TRIBAL_COUNCIL_VOTING_1812.jpg
Two hypnotizes and a double vote were played tonight, so 7 votes will be read.
First vote:
Camo Swanson
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:24 PM
Second Vote:
Camo Swanson
That's two votes Camo
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:24 PM
Third Vote:
Tongo
That's one vote Tongo
Two votes Camo.
I didnt know there was another hypno besides mine, or another double vote out there. Looks like Im going bye-bye :yup:
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:25 PM
Fourth Vote:
Tongo
That's two votes Tongo
Two votes Camo.
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:25 PM
Fifth Vote:
Camo Swanson
That's three votes Camo
Two votes Tongo.
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:26 PM
Sixth Vote:
Tongo
That's three votes Camo
Three votes Tongo
One vote left.
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:27 PM
The last vote, and the 10th person voted out of Survivor: Brains vs Brawn vs Beauty is...
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:28 PM
TONGO Nhttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111238047/4635148-kong.jpg
I didnt know there was a double vote and hypno still out there, thought they were all used.
Ok guys have fun. :up:
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:30 PM
15th Place: Rhys Doinel
14th Place: Peg Sexy (Quit)
13th Place: Dr. Rodent Malcolm
12th Place: Gatverous Snape
11th Place: Optibane
10th Place: HalfAngel Banner - 1st Jury Member
9th Place: Coletherine Tramell - 2nd Jury Member
8th Place: Gunnery Sergent 7thson - 3rd Jury Member
7th Place: Jiraffe Sanchez - 4th Jury Member
6th Place: Tongo - 5th Jury Member
Oh thank god. Surprised the suspense didn't give me a heart attack there.
TONGO you were a great player and will be heavily considered for most entertaining (if we're doing that again) by me. Hope there's no hard feelings, i was planning on saying the same myself since i wasn't sure if CiCi was going to vote and felt i was probably out.
Only reason i'm still here is that Hypno that i won at the auction; and i was dissappointed at how that turned out as well :D
Nope, you have TONGO at 8th place instead of 6th in that post.
Nope1172
04-04-16, 04:34 PM
Nope, you have TONGO at 8th place instead of 6th in that post.
My bad. Fixed it.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 04:50 PM
TONGO
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111238047/4635148-kong.jpg
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk79n5ZGhZ1qa840o.gif
This sh*t is good today!
I wasnt playing afraid. If I had Id still be in the game. Peoples fear of the "Dan monster" or the "TUS monster" is laughable.
I got beat, I hope someone that isnt a liar wins this, but thats hard to find in any Survivor final. It can be done though.
Really give props to Nope, great job running the game.
I hope CiCi comes back, as the worst of the drama should be finally over. I really wasnt trying to create drama but avoid it, keep everything to the original plan. Oh well, I did my best.
Is the challenge now or in an hour?
Nope1172
04-04-16, 06:05 PM
Is the challenge now or in an hour?
Hour
Nope1172
04-04-16, 06:58 PM
I'm really sorry guys, but today has been an unexpectedly busy day. The challenge is going to have to be delayed until tomorrow. Sorry.
That's fine. Not sure i'll be able to make it tomorrow as it is my birthday so hopefully you guys won't vote me off as a present :D.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 07:00 PM
I'll host it!!
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 07:02 PM
I could run another movie guessing game (or character guessing game) challenge.
I'd be fine with that if Nope allows it. Not sure if anyone other than me is here though.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 07:04 PM
I saw Daniel.
CiCi is online too. Maybe give it another hour? If Nope lets you run it of course.
If you guys dont do an official challenge, ill play in a guessing game, but obviously not if its official :lol:
Cob is here too. If all three can make it in an hour to give Raul a chance to make it and Nope is ok with it then i think we should do it,.
rauldc14
04-04-16, 07:41 PM
My window to do a challenge is pretty small tonight. I really think a 24 hour challenge would be the way to go, but we haven't had any of those yet so it's cool.
Cobpyth
04-04-16, 07:43 PM
My window to do a challenge is pretty small tonight. I really think a 24 hour challenge would be the way to go, but we haven't had any of those yet so it's cool.
I agree with Raul.
Yeah that would be great for me too if possible since i won't be able to make a challenge tomorrow.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 07:54 PM
I'm still here and I see Nope.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 08:00 PM
Well, shoot. I was hoping we could play another character guessing game.
rauldc14
04-04-16, 08:04 PM
I was hoping for something else as I'm tired of character and movie guessing games. Of course, I also am terrible at them too.
Sexy Celebrity
04-04-16, 08:09 PM
Hmmmmm..... I have an idea. And it could take 24 hours.
Hmmmmm..... I have an idea. And it could take 24 hours.
What is it, guess how marbles in an Olympic sized swimming pool?
Its here...
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=45187
rauldc14
04-05-16, 11:25 AM
Just give us a heads up on the challenge plan Nope.
Yknow, I dont think Ill try and play a lovable gorilla again :lol: If I was playing Doctor TONGO style Id have gone after Dan as soon as HalfAngel went, found out later he was trying to save me, but I wouldve. Game would be a whole lot different landscape now. Funny part is I chose a gorilla hoping to be more accessable, likable, and I win Least Want To Be Met In Real Life :facepalm: It truly is now a bad guys world.
Im not bitter! No...Im , uhhh.. Im philosophical! Yeah thats the ticket! ;)
http://www.nbc.com/sites/nbcunbc/files/files/images/2015/4/25/140207_2722962_Weekend_Update___Tommy_Flanagan_anvver_2.jpg
Daniel M
04-05-16, 02:43 PM
Can you send a PM out letting us know about the challenge in advance please Nope?
Nope1172
04-05-16, 06:21 PM
Can you send a PM out letting us know about the challenge in advance please Nope?
Sure, this one is in 40 minutes, I will send out a PM now if it helps.
Dan cant make it and might send you a message Nope allowing me to play him in the challenge. He might not be able to get on to send you the message in time, but hes able to do Facebook, odd. Must be some internet block at his school.
Nope1172
04-05-16, 06:55 PM
Dan cant make it and might send you a message Nope allowing me to play him in the challenge. He might not be able to get on to send you the message in time, but hes able to do Facebook, odd. Must be some internet block at his school.
The challenge is not real-time. So tell him not to worry.
Any chance we can do a 24 hour challenge then? Because Dan can't make it, Raul won't be able too either i think and who knows if Cob will. It being the final five i think everyone deserves a shot at immunity. I'm saying this knowing whatever it is i probably wont do well at it.
Nope1172
04-05-16, 07:03 PM
Welcome to todays Immunity Challenge
http://thumbnails.cbsig.net/CBS_Production_Entertainment/CBS_Production_Entertainment/2009/05/07/Primetime/Survivor/Season_18/Clips/Episode_12/42/677/IMMUNITY_CHALLENGE_PROPELLERHEADS_1812.jpgVery shortly, I will be sending all of you a PM with 7 different film clues. You will not receive any questions or hints about the films, all you will have are your smarts and film knowledge. You will all send in guesses for each film, and the person with the most correct answers wins the challenge. If there is a tie, we will do a second, much harder round. Some of these clues are very easy, others are extremely difficult. The winner get's immunity along with a guaranteed spot in the Final 4!
The only rule is that there is no consulting with anyone else, in or out of the game!
Nope1172
04-05-16, 07:03 PM
PMs will be sent soon.
The only rule is that there is no consulting with anyone else, in or out of the game!
How can you enforce this?
Nope1172
04-05-16, 07:06 PM
How can you enforce this?
Honor system.
Oh I dont think anyones gonna knock on my door for movie trivia advice :laugh:
Honor system.
Cool. I'll abide, that Cobpyth and Daniel ones are wrongins i heard though.
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