Bad Movie List?

[Omnizoa]

These days there's an awful lot of attention given to Worst Ofs lists. Why not a Movie Forums Most Hated list?

[Iroquois]

The obvious answer would be that, when it comes to expending the effort needed to create such a list, it's generally easier to care about films you like than films you dislike.

[Friendly Mushroom!]

I really think there should be a MoFo list of all the HoF noms and MotMs.

[Omnizoa]

I really think there should be a MoFo list of all the HoF noms and MotMs.
You're gonna have to clue me into what those are.

[Holden Pike]

These days there's an awful lot of attention given to Worst Ofs lists. Why not a Movie Forums Most Hated list?

It's more difficult to define what a "bad" movie is, versus a great one. There are those movies that have been so often labeled a "worst", like Ed Wood's Plan 9 from Outer Space or Tommy Wiseau's The Room, that they are now badges of honor and they have developed devoted cult followings, meaning they more properly belong on something like a So-Bad-It's-Good list. There are movies that are notorious box office bombs, like Cimino's Heaven's Gate or Elaine May's Ishtar, that are probably much better films than their reputations suggest. Then there are mega blockbusters, like Michael Bay's Transformers series, that are critically reviled but are ridiculously popular. And knowing people, especially the people of this forum, you'd have folks putting things they know are not empirically bad films but they personally hate them, or probably more properly hate that they are considered to be great films. 'I know this or that acknowledged classic of world cinema that finished in the top ten on this and that list is supposed to be good and all, but I fu*king HATE that movie. It was soooooo boring.'

Which is all well and good for your own personal taste and list, but makes compiling a massive group list on the subject rather like herding cats.


But, you know....knock yourself out.

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[Omnizoa]

And knowing people, especially the people of this forum, you'd have folks putting things they know are not empirically bad films but they personally hate them, or probably more properly hate that they are considered to be great films. 'I know this or that acknowledged classic of world cinema that finished in the top ten on this and that list is supposed to be good and all, but I fu*king HATE that movie. It was soooooo boring.'

Which is all well and good for your own personal taste and list, but makes compiling a massive group list on the subject rather like herding cats.
Hasn't exactly stopped the existing lists from lacking objectivity.

[Holden Pike]

Like I said, knock yourself out.

[Camo]

My List:

1.Kazaam

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[Omnizoa]

My List:

1.Kazaam

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*laugh* Good start.

[honeykid]

. 'I know this or that acknowledged classic of world cinema that finished in the top ten on this and that list is supposed to be good and all, but I fu*king HATE that movie. It was soooooo boring.'

Nice to see you read my review of Braveheart. :D

[Guaporense]

I once did a worst of all time list. Among movies I watched recently I might include Kiarostami's Ten in that list, which is really bad stuff.

Some of the worst movies I ever watched:

Lynch's Dune
Oliver Stone's Alexander
also that Disney Brother Bear movie is really offensive
Malick's The Tree of Life
Kiarostami's Ten

Those 5 are really bad. And they are bad not because they are amateurish (although Ten looks very, very amateurish) and inexpertly made, they were great investments of talent and money that didn't turn out well.

[Miss Vicky]

I wouldn't feel comfortable doing a worst movies list because I haven't actually seen that many truly terrible films. If a movie seems like it's going to be something I'll hate, I typically avoid it. But then, in most cases at least, I don't feel like I have the right to call something the "worst" if I haven't actually seen it. I'm also not going to waste the time it takes to watch something I think is going to be truly awful just so that I can call it the worst.

Also, after seeing a few people's "worst movies" lists (I'm looking at you, Iro!) I'd hate to see what great films might make the cut.

[Miss Vicky]

also that Disney Brother Bear movie is really offensive


Umm.... okay?

[Iroquois]

Also, after seeing a few people's "worst movies" lists (I'm looking at you, Iro!) I'd hate to see what great films might make the cut.

You overestimate my influence.

[Gatsby]

You overestimate my influence.
Correct, because you're the only person I know who hates Ratatouille. :p

[Iroquois]

Only because it's mediocre.

[Holden Pike]

My List:

1.Kazaam

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"How Did This Get Made" just did a fun episode of their podcast devoted to Kazaam, and the accompanying oral history is actually a really good read, one of the few times it truly explains how it did get made.


The podcast can be found HERE (http://www.earwolf.com/episode/kazaam-live/).
The oral history HERE (http://www.slashfilm.com/kazaam-oral-history/).

[honeykid]

Only because it's mediocre.
I'm with you, mediocre.... Or, I probably would've been had I not turned it off after 20 minutes or so. When does the rat run out of the kitchen and go to the river? 25 minutes? Something like that?

[Omnizoa]

also that Disney Brother Bear movie is really offensive
Care to enlighten me on this one?

I wouldn't feel comfortable doing a worst movies list because I haven't actually seen that many truly terrible films. If a movie seems like it's going to be something I'll hate, I typically avoid it. But then, in most cases at least, I don't feel like I have the right to call something the "worst" if I haven't actually seen it. I'm also not going to waste the time it takes to watch something I think is going to be truly awful just so that I can call it the worst.

Also, after seeing a few people's "worst movies" lists (I'm looking at you, Iro!) I'd hate to see what great films might make the cut.
I usually watch movies blind and very rarely drop a movie partway through. Also sometimes it takes a truly great "**** you" ending to seal the deal on hating a film.

There's plenty to hate when your standards for watching something are low and and you stick it out long enough for a movie to fester in your mind.

[Guaporense]

Well, Disney movies in general are an insult to the viewers intelligence. However, Brother Bear is the worst of all.

[Miss Vicky]

Well, Disney movies in general are an insult to the viewers intelligence. However, Brother Bear is the worst of all.

That explains absolutely nothing.

[Omnizoa]

That explains absolutely nothing.
I have to agree. What was the most offensive moment in the movie for you?

[TheUsualSuspect]

"How Did This Get Made" just did a fun episode of their podcast devoted to Kazaam, and the accompanying oral history is actually a really good read, one of the few times it truly explains how it did get made.


The podcast can be found HERE (http://www.earwolf.com/episode/kazaam-live/).
The oral history HERE (http://www.slashfilm.com/kazaam-oral-history/).

They did a Shaq double feature with Steel....damn.

[Guaporense]

I have to agree. What was the most offensive moment in the movie for you?

The one where they go and find the bear fishing. Apparently, while it's "wrong" to kill a bear, according to the movie's message, it's perfectly fine for bears to find enormous and plentiful supplies or fish which are killed in large quantities.

Overall, these types of movies of heavy handed messages about the greatness of "the other" specially Disney's approach, tend to suffer a lot. It just feels very artificial, puritanical and stupid. And I felt like that about these movies since I was like 9-10 years old about Disney's animated films. Apparently, their live action stuff is much more complex and subtle in their approach. However, their animated stuff appears to show "contempt for their audience" (quoting Miyazaki in Turning Point (2008)). Also, the excuse "they are children's movies" does not hold, I know plenty of enormously superior children's movies that don't show contempt for their audience, such as Chomet's or Hosoda's films.

If you don't perceive the contempt and the condescending tone that Disney's films are characterized by, well, that is good for you since you can enjoy them. I can't, they are just too retarded and feel like their creators are talking to the audience as if the audience had Down Syndrome.

Also, while it's true that all Disney's films are simplistic (with the exception of Wreck it Ralph which is quite a "normal" movie in terms of complexity), not all show contempt for their audience. Pinnochio, Bambi and Fantasia are great simple and elegant films that I included in my top 100 animated films list indeed or Frozen (2014) as well, a very good film. Disney's films improved significantly over the past few years, thanks perhaps to Pixar's increasing influence.

Well, we are all different and have different aesthetic preferences. So according to my aesthetic preferences, the worst animated feature film I ever watched is Brother Bear because it epitomizes perfectly the elements of Disney's films that I dislike.

[Iroquois]

There's no need to bring Down Syndrome into this, Guap. Doing so doesn't help your case in the slightest.

[mark f]

I wonder if Guap has ever talked to someone with Down Syndrome. If so, probably no different to the way he "talks" to most MoFos. :)

[Miss Vicky]

The one where they go and find the bear fishing. Apparently, while it's "wrong" to kill a bear, according to the movie's message, it's perfectly fine for bears to find enormous and plentiful supplies or fish which are killed in large quantities.

The message of Brother Bear isn't that "it's wrong to kill a bear" and if that's all you got out of it then I think the problem lies with you, not the movie.

The message of the movie is to look at situations from the perspective of others rather than making snap judgments. It also, of course, has themes of the importance of family and the importance of being loyal to the ones you love.

There's also a big difference in the killing of one animal by another for food and a human trying to kill an animal out of revenge for a situation in which the human was at fault. This is especially true since the whole thing could've been avoided if Kenai had shown an ounce of responsibility.

[Omnizoa]

There's also a big difference in the killing of one animal by another for food and a human trying to kill an animal out of revenge for a situation in which the human was at fault.
>.> It's no difference to the fish.

It just feels very artificial, puritanical and stupid. And I felt like that about these movies since I was like 9-10 years old about Disney's animated films. Apparently, their live action stuff is much more complex and subtle in their approach.
Should "live action Disney" be making me think of this?:

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their animated stuff appears to show "contempt for their audience" (quoting Miyazaki
Maybe some of them. To some degree. That's a harsh criticism to lay on most, though.

The Gargoyles do no favors for Hunchback of Notre Dame, but that's otherwise a very mature movie, even if it isn't a completely accurate retelling of the story.

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