Swan's Vinyl Collection

[Swan]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/spinning_zps7cnpro81.gif

Vinyl is just cool, man.

THE COLLECTION:

A

Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Album
Aphex Twin - Marchromt30a Edit 2b 96
Autechre - L-Event

B

Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
Bon Iver - Blood Bank
Bon Iver - Bon Iver, Bon Iver
Buckingham, Lindsey - Gift of Screws
Burrell, Kenny - Midnight Blue

C

Cave and the Bad Seeds, Nick - Tender Prey
Cave and the Bad Seeds, Nick - Murder Ballads
Clark - Turning Dragon
Coltrane, John - A Love Supreme

D

Davis, Miles - Kind of Blue
Davis, Miles - Sketches of Spain
Davis, Miles - Bitches Brew
Davis & Thelonius Monk, Miles - Miles & Monk at Newport
DiMeola, Al - Elegant Gypsy

E

Electric Wizard - We Live

F

Fleetwood Mac - Then Play On
Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
Flying Lotus You're Dead!
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain

G

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven

H

Hancock & Chick Corea, Herbie - In Concert
Hayes, Isaac - Hot Buttered Soul

I

J

K

Kraftwerk - Radio-Activity

L

M

Madvillain - Madvillainy
MF Doom - Mm... Food
Morricone, Ennio - Four Flies on Grey Velvet (Official Soundtrack)

N

Nails - Abandon All Life
Nas - Illmatic

O

Ortolani, Riz - Cannibal Holocaust (Official Soundtrack)

P

Parsons Project, The Alan - I, Robot
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here

Q

R

Rolling Stones, The - Exile on Main St.

S

Santana - [/i]Abraxas[/i]
Santana - Caravanserai
Smith, Elliot - Either/Or
Swans - Filth

T

Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear

U

V


W

Waits, Tom - Blood Money

X

Y

Yes - Fragile

Z

[Swan]

This is a new collection which I started just today, why there's only six. My dad tried selling his records but wasn't able to get anything for some, so he kept them. I just raided half of those and found some essentials, which I started my collection with. Will go through the rest later.

[Derek Vinyard]

Vinyl is the best sound ever! Listen to my dad old vinyl is just too d*mn cool

[Swan]

Bought my very first vinyl today, and I made it a great one - one of my all-time favorite albums.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/a17dbabc-b0be-4ca1-8245-79e4a3b335ff_zps83cukczo.jpg

[gbgoodies]

I still have all of my old records, and I even have a working record player too. Little by little, I've been converting my music collection to CDs, but I've just been too lazy to get rid of my records.

[Swan]

My sister lent me a crappy all-in-one turntable while I save up for some equipment. It'll do for now.

[gbgoodies]

My sister lent me a crappy all-in-one turntable while I save up for some equipment. It'll do for now.


I don't use it very often, but my record player is at least 10 years old, and it still works great.

I still have a lot of my old stereo equipment, including an 8-track player/recorder. Some of it is probably older than I am because I took it from my parents' house when they moved to Florida.

[Mr Minio]

No Jonas Brothers? They sound best on vinyl. :yup:

[honeykid]

No, they sound best on valium. Close though, Minio. ;)

How much is vinyl these days?

[Swan]

No, they sound best on valium. Close though, Minio. ;)

How much is vinyl these days?

Man, it really varies. Prices are all over the place, with vinyl, it seems.

[Swan]

If it helps, I got my first vinyl for 20 bucks. But I basically traded in some video games for it.

[Sedai]

I would list mine, but I have many hundreds of records! Maybe I will post a pic if i think of it while at home.

[Swan]

Alright, I finally made my decision. My second-ever... wait! I got two! My second and third-ever vinyls!

EDIT: Cancelled one.

Autechre - L-Event EP

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/200a4fb0-05ce-42d6-b75d-abc586aeffb0_zpstg21lr7n.jpg

[Mr Minio]

My second-ever... wait! I got two! My second and third-ever vinyls! And in a couple of years in this thread: "My sixty-fourth and sixty-fifth vinyl!"

[Swan]

Since my last post, I've gotten two more vinyl.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear

And I'll be getting another one today as an early Christmas present from a friend. :)

[DeadChannel]

I've got that Godspeed record. One of the best albums ever.

Only have two albums on wax, though.

[Swan]

I have F#A#Infinity digitally, and it's amazing. I've heard some people say Lift Yr Skinny Fists is even better, so I'm stoked to listen to it...

...when I finally get my record player. :laugh:

[AboveTheClouds]

Lift Yr Skinny Fists was my favorite GY!BE album. I had a gf (Now ex) take my copy to listen too years ago, along with American Psycho - Brett Easton Ellis. And never got them back :(

Im bored so I think I will post my collection in here, if that's ok Swan?

[Swan]

Absolutely man! I'd love to see your collection.

[edarsenal]

still have a small stack of vinyls from late seventies to mid eighties. Actually have the first Led Zeppelin album that my oldest sister won at a carnival when it first came out still with the original price tag of $4.99 on it. Like the rest, I used to play the hell out of them. I'd record them on cassettes for me and friends to listen to in our cars back in the day.

Still remember the hype about CD's that they would sound better and never, EVER skip. What a frickin lie THAT was ;D

great idea for a thread, swan!
which album do you have the image for?

[AboveTheClouds]

I'm gonna have to find a bunch of them, moved back home a few months ago. Here's some of the cooler ones I keep out for display. (They're all Black Metal/Drone lol)

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp8/AboveTheClouds403/20151217_141816_zpsh1sslrew.jpg
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp8/AboveTheClouds403/20151217_141450_zpsdahoizdb.jpg
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp8/AboveTheClouds403/20151217_141949_zpsyv0gidai.jpg

[Swan]

Nice. I have yet to check out Bathory. I've heard good things.

[AboveTheClouds]

The first three Bathory albums are straight up unholy Black Metal. Anything from Blood Fire Death onward starts to diverge, it's still black metal, but with less traditional themes and starts to focus on Norse Mythology and is what some people would call the "start" of Viking Metal (Bands like Falkenbach, Windir, Enslaved) There are also bands that have a mix between a real Black Metal sound with the same sort of melodic approach as Folk Metal. And they play music based on literary fiction. Bands like Isengard and Summoning, both borrow from Lord of The Rings. And Summoning actually has a song done entirely in Black Speech called Mirdautas Vras.

Sorry for the influx of info, when it comes to music, I can talk about it for hours.

[Swan]

No need to apologize man, I love learning new stuff about music. I haven't delved too far into black metal yet. I'm familiar with some names - I like Ulver, I know that - but still a subgenre I need to explore more. I imagine I'll like it pretty well.

Favorite subgenres of metal and the like?

[AboveTheClouds]

No need to apologize man, I love learning new stuff about music. I haven't delved too far into black metal yet. I'm familiar with some names - I like Ulver, I know that - but still a subgenre I need to explore more. I imagine I'll like it pretty well.

Favorite subgenres of metal and the like?

Which Ulver album did you listen too? If you haven't heard Nattens Madrigal(Eight Hymns to the Wolf in man) I would highly recommend it, it's kind of a loose concept album about the cycle of night and day and the animal side of man.

15 bands to check out if you haven't, and to get you started.

Darkthrone
Toxic Holocaust
Summoning
Taake
Immortal
Ildjarn
Satyricon
Inquisition
Watain
Profanatica
Blut Aus Nord
Falkenbach
Weapon
Absu
Sodom (Mainly Obsessed with Cruelty and In the sign of evil)

Some of these are a little more extreme than others. But it can kind of help you find the spectrum within the genre, and you can pinpoint your preferences.

[Swan]

I have listened to their debut album, Bergtatt: Et eeventyr i 5 capitler. Liked it a lot. I'll be sure to check out those artists - thanks a lot. :up:

[Swan]

Buddy got me this for Christmas. :up:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/MI0000432595_zpspvw7evuh.jpg

[Swan]

10 dollars!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/dadd70df88f9ed1b7d48acf5261ffac21ff20ccf0ad30c904dc59982_zpsz1tqwlxt.jpeg

[AboveTheClouds]

You should check your local record store next time for dollar shelves and stuff. I used to go to this store called hotwax and you could get all sorts of stuff super cheap.

[Swan]

Got some new vinyl today!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/R-349232-1266472227.jpeg_zps0zwdypbm.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/SwansFilth_zpsztk7tgpg.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/1216097_zpsy6qh4c6u.jpg

[Swan]

https://twitter.com/KyloR3n/status/679256799518814208

[Swan]

Some updates.

Yesterday I ordered Illmatic by Nas, which should get here in a few days. I have decided from now on I'll only get one or two records a month, so I can actually keep some money in my wallet. :p

Also, my dad has six crates full of vinyl, which I just finished digging through. He said I can have them all, but I'm going to take from them a bit at a time so I'm not overwhelmed. A lot of jazz, because he inherited his mother's jazz records. A lot of Duke Ellington and Frank Sinatra, which I will take later (though I did take one Ellington record). I'm stoked that I now have Kind of Blue!

Here's what I have taken from those crates so far:

The Beatles - Abbey Road
Jeff Beck - Wired
Dave Brubeck - Dave Brubeck at Storyville: 1954
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain
Donovan - Barabajagal
Duke Ellington - Duke Ellington's 70th Birthday Concert
Eric Gale - Forecast
Eric Gale - Ginseng Woman
Jerry Garcia Band - Cats Under the Stars
Coleman Hawkins (with Billy Byers) - The Hawk in Hi Fi
Jefferson Airplane - The Worst of Jefferson Airplane
Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Kraftwerk - Radio-Activity
Manhattan - Music from the Woody Allen Film
The Alan Parson Project - I, Robot
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Otis Redding / The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Historic Performances Recorded at the Monterey International Pop Festival
The Rolling Stones - Hot Rocks 1964-1971
The Rolling Stone - Exile on Main St.
Santana - Caravanserai
Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends
Yes - Fragile
Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
Yes - Relayer
Neil Young with Crazy Horse - Everybody Knows This is Nowhere

[AboveTheClouds]

Illmatic is like a 10/10 for me dude. Good pick on that.

[Swan]

Illmatic is like a 10/10 for me dude. Good pick on that.

I've heard bits and pieces but my first listen all the way through will be on vinyl. I'm stoked. :cool:

[AboveTheClouds]

You should try and get Wu Tang Clan - Enter the 36 chambers too, I love that album. I think I need to get a new needle for my turntable, because it simply will not play my records, my speakers and reciever are fine, but the needle doesn't produce noise when placed to vinyl.

[Swan]

Enter the 36 Chambers is definitely on my wish list, though it'll be a blind buy because I've heard very little from it.

[AboveTheClouds]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88jr9QUxbcs

Straight from the motherfu^&in slums that's busted, Wu Tang Clan ain't nothing to f*&k with.

Real gritty New York stuff, id recommend checking it out before you buy it.

[Swan]

Well I've heard parts of it because it's a favorite album of a friend of mine. He blasted it on his speaker system the other day. I liked what I heard.

[AboveTheClouds]

ODB (Ol' Dirty Bastard) might be a bit difficult to get into at first, but you'll love him after a while if that's the case. Wu tang is the most talented group of MC's and producers in hip hop ever. If you like Enter the 36 Chambers, then you should check out their solo work too.

GZA - Liquid Swords
Method Man - Tical
Ghostface Killah - Iron Man
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers

RZA has solo albums as Prince Rakeem.

[Swan]

Wu tang is the most talented group of MC's and producers in hip hop ever.

That's quite the praise, and makes me look even more forward to getting into them. :)

[AboveTheClouds]

It's my opinion, but it's a pretty big consensus among heads that Wu Tang is one of the greatest and most influential groups ever. The 90's were like the wild west for sampling, and you can really hear it reflected in songs of the era. A lot of wu-tang songs take clips from old kung fu movies like Lone Wolf and Cub and 5 Deadly Venoms. You can't do that these days.

[jiraffejustin]

Your collection is getting pretty dope, dude. I haven't gone through what I have, and I haven't really added anything recently, but it's already better than my measly collection.

[Swan]

Thing I love about vinyl is they are so thin. I have this many vinyl taking up about the same space on my bookshelf as, I dunno, ten or fifteen CD's would.

[AboveTheClouds]

Have you gotten any 180 Gram vinyl?

[Swan]

I'm not 100% certain but I don't think so. I'm still kind of a novice with this stuff so I can't say for sure.

[jiraffejustin]

I thought about making my own thread, but really, I am not proud enough of my collection yet. I will just share what I have here in Swan's thread.

The Band - The Band
The Band - Cahoots
The Beach Boys - Endless Summer
The Beach Boys - Made in U.S.A.
The Beach Boys - Surfin' Safari
Chuck Berry - The Best of the Best of Chuck Berry
Johnny Cash - At San Quentin
Johnny Cash - The Fabulous Johnny Cash
Johnny Cash - Now, There Was a Song!
Johnny Cash - Ring of Fire The Best of Johnny Cash
Johnny Cash / Tammy Wynette - The King / The Queen
Patsy Cline - Greatest Hits
Culture Club - Colour By Numbers
Phil Collins - Face Value
Phil Collins - Hello, I Must Be Going!
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Pendulum
Fats Domino - Sings Million Record Hits
Grand Funk - Shinin' On
Hall & Oates - Voices
Emmylou Harris - Pieces of the Sky
Buddy Holly and the Crickets - Buddy Holly and the Crickets
Brenda Lee - Brenda Lee
Jerry Lee Lewis - The Best of Jerry Lee Lewis Volume II
Michael Jackson - Thriller
Roy Orbison - In Dreams
Roy Orbison - The Very Best of Roy Orbison
The Police - Zenyatta Mondatta
Elvis Presley - Elvis' Christmas Album
Eddie Rabbitt - #1's
Rockwell - Somebody's Watching Me
Jethro Tull - Aqualung
Hank Williams - The Lonesome Legend

Various Artists:
40 Original Hits
Collector's Records of the 50's and 60's Vol. 13
Rock 'N' Roll Solid Cold Vol. 2
Surfing with the Sunsets

And for some reason I also have The California Raisins Sing the Hit Songs

Almost all of those records have just been found in thrift stores and places like that. At some point I will quit being a cheapskate and open the pocketbook up for bigger and better records.

[Swan]

Dude, you lied to me. That's an awesome collection.

[cricket]

You should add these to your vinyl collection, then post a pic of you wearing them-

https://img0.etsystatic.com/075/1/8057156/il_fullxfull.812018540_iq0t.jpg

[jiraffejustin]

Dude, you lied to me. That's an awesome collection.

Thanks. It'll get better though. And on that day, I will start my own thread. :D

[Swan]

You should add these to your vinyl collection, then post a pic of you wearing them-

https://img0.etsystatic.com/075/1/8057156/il_fullxfull.812018540_iq0t.jpg

Or I could just get Stones' Sticky Fingers on vinyl and call it a day. :p

[Sexy Celebrity]

JJ owns "Colour By Numbers" by Culture Club?!

I saw the vinyl to that somewhere and I passed on it.

[jiraffejustin]

JJ owns "Colour By Numbers" by Culture Club?!

I saw the vinyl to that somewhere and I passed on it.

Yep. I picked up for probably a buck or two. I couldn't pass it up for that price and how great the album art is.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I saw it for the same price... but I dunno. It wasn't my destiny to own it right now.

[jiraffejustin]

I know that feel. I've seen several albums and passed on them for no real reason.

[Swan]

Update. My dad and I went through all his records and he pulled out the ones he thinks I'll appreciate. SOOO many that it's going to take a while to update the main post in this thread, bit by bit. When I do, though, I'll let all 0.5 of you (which consists of 0.1% of five peoples attention) know. So far, from what I listened to of those I really dug George Benson the most.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14pitnJlcv4

Oh and...

I've got a grindcore vinyl I've got a grindcore vinyl!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/8d50cd7b-0a05-4a33-a502-63cd85a8c395_zpsjlchdciw.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

You should get Tusk on vinyl.

[Swan]

What sucks is my dad probably used to have it. He had like 3 times what he has now if not more, and sold all he could a while ago. Huge bummer.

[Miss Vicky]

I just looked at my own vinyl collection. I have like three copies of Rumours but no Tusk. WTF. Though I don't have a record player anymore so I guess it doesn't matter.

I have the regular cd and the 2004 reissue cd though. I probably won't buy the 2015 special edition.

[Swan]

I know someone who could take one of those off your hands. ;) :D

[Miss Vicky]

Sadly the covers are damaged on the Rumours vinyl. Same with the two copies of the 1975 album I have. Something must have spilled on them at some point. The vinyl itself seems to be fine though.

[Swan]

Shame.

[Gatsby]

I want some vinyls, but first I need to buy a record player first. :lol:

[Miss Vicky]

I have a still sealed vinyl copy of Tom Petty's Full Moon Fever for some reason.

[Gatsby]

If I did have a record player though, I'd definitely buy my Top 10 albums. Especially Disraeli Gears, which you should get Swan.

[Swan]

I should. That's a great album.

[Miss Vicky]

Also have a sealed copy of Lindsey Buckingham's Go Insane.
I sure was buying some random **** back then.

[Swan]

Random aside from the fact that it's Buckingham and Tom Petty? :laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

Random aside from the fact that it's Buckingham and Tom Petty? :laugh:

But I had both albums on CD and I never opened the vinyl to listen to it so what's the point?

[Swan]

That's true. Maybe you wanted to expand your Buckingham and Petty collection.

[Gatsby]

MV, do you have any Warren Zevon vinyls?

[Miss Vicky]

My vinyl collection (because I've nothing better to do right now :laugh:)

Traveling Wilburys: Volume 1
Billy Burnette (self titled, 1972)
Billy Burnette: Soldier of Love
Billy Burnette (self titled, 1980)
Billy Burnette: Between Friends
Billy Burnette (self titled, 1979)
Billy Burnette: Gimme You
Billy Burnette: Try Me
Mick Fleetwood's Zoo: I'm Not Me
Annie McLoone: Fast Annie
John Stewart: Dream Babies Go Hollywood
John Stewart: Wingless Angels
John Stewart: California Bloodlines
Walter Egan: Wild Exhibitions
Walter Egan: The Last Stroll
Walter Egan: Fundamental Roll
The Johnny Z Band: Bring Back the Night
Lindsey Buckingham: Go Insane
Fleetwood Mac: Mirage
Fleetwodo Mac (self titled, 1975) x 2
Fleetwood Mac: Rumours x 3
Fleetwood Mac: Tango in the Night
Fleetwood Mac: Mystery to Me
Fleetwood Mac: Live
Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band: Against the Wind
Stevie Nicks: The Wild Heart
Stevie Nicks: Bella Donna
Tom Petty: Full Moon Fever
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Long After Dark
The Beach Boys: Surfin' U.S.A.
This is the Moody Blues
Phil Collins: No Jacket Required
Danny Douma: Night Eyes (I don't know what this is or why I have it)

Looks pretty much like my CD collection. :laugh:

[Gatsby]

No offense, but that's a pretty sad collection. :D

[Miss Vicky]

No offense, but that's a pretty sad collection. :D

Since I don't actually give a crap about vinyl anymore, no longer collect it, and donated my player to Goodwill awhile back, I'm not offended.:p

[Zotis]

It's my opinion, but it's a pretty big consensus among heads that Wu Tang is one of the greatest and most influential groups ever. The 90's were like the wild west for sampling, and you can really hear it reflected in songs of the era. A lot of wu-tang songs take clips from old kung fu movies like Lone Wolf and Cub and 5 Deadly Venoms. You can't do that these days.

Oh yes you can. Bands still do it, and it's great. Maybe not in you're mainstream world though.

Edit: Wait, you listen to Black Metal? I love you...

[Swan]

Have you gotten any 180 Gram vinyl?

Now I do!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/46b760cd-515a-4d08-a7ba-1df317332e7d_zps5vvkhu7t.jpg

[AboveTheClouds]

Oh yes you can. Bands still do it, and it's great. Maybe not in you're mainstream world though.

Edit: Wait, you listen to Black Metal? I love you...

Yeah, I've listened to Black/Doom for the last 15 years, I dressed the part, played in bands and was heavily involved in my local scene and made connections with bands across the world. My friend, my music tastes are nowhere near mainstream<3

As for Hip-Hop, the golden age of sampling died around the same time copyright infringement law suits were really starting to kick in, just because you can have samples on a self release material and mix tapes, that's one thing. But anything you'd want to make a commercial dollar off of (And who wouldn't want to rap and make money doing it) You can't even have samples from artists that haven't okay ed the use of it, be it a vocal track or even a couple drum loops, let alone quotes from movies.

People get sued all the time for this, even by other rappers. I remember a case a while ago, where Lord Finesse sued Mac Miller, because the later used a sample from a song Lord Finesse did back in the 80's. I even read 50 Cent is suing Rick Ross for jacking the beat to "In The Club" (Footnote: I don't like either of them, but it's another recent example) Sometimes it's as simple as public disapproval for taking and using someone Else's music, other times it's a big lawsuit.

Gangstarr/ DJ Premier addressed this at the end of the track Royalty.

"To whom it may concern, this goes out to anybody who’s doin' the ********, straight up. Yo, everybody’s callin' me, my lawyer, everybody on this “yo, did you scratch such and such name?” or “this, that, and the third on a record, for a hook?” Y'all keep callin' me on that ****, man, and y'all supposed to be hip-hoppers and all that; lettin' the industry control the rules of the hip-hop world that we made? Y'all need to knock that **** off. That’s some greedy ass, fake ********. Knock that **** off, for real, ya know what I’m sayin'? And when that **** come and slap you in the face, ya know what I’m sayin', that greed, I'ma be right there laughin' at y'all.
And one other thing, what’s the deal with you break-record cats that’s puttin' out all the original records that we sample from and snitchin' by puttin' us on the back of it, sayin' we used stuff. You know how that **** go. Stop doin' that. Y'all are violatin', straight up and down. Word up man, I’m sick of this ****. Y'all mutha****as really don’t know what this hip-hop’s all about. So while y'all keep fakin' the funk, we’re gonna keep on walkin' through the darkness, carryin' our torches. Underground will live forever, baby. We just like roaches: never dyin', always livin'. And on that note, let’s get back to the program"
(Copied and pasted, so excuse all the expletives)

So in short, unless your label gets approval, or you're on an indie that can duck lawsuits like a boss, it's nothing doing chief.

[jiraffejustin]

I want some vinyls, but first I need to buy a record player first. :lol:

I started buying before I had a player. Just do it. :D

[Zotis]

I have a bunch of records, but my player is at my mom's place in another city. I need to get a new one because I can't take that huge thing on the greyhound with me.

The last two records I bought were:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Black_Flag_-_Everything_Went_Black_cover.jpg

http://cdn2.pitchfork.com/albums/16156/homepage_large.f1b4c072.jpg

[Swan]

Finished updating the main post. Put in all the records my dad gave me, and made it look a bit neater and easier to read.

The highlight is, clearly, the Yoko Ono album. :p

[Swan]

Went to Streetlight, bought vinyl.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/20641936-2d4a-4f46-9610-6db083cdfc2a_zps74ccehws.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/10419b79-5233-4463-bb6d-152c5a62e5a8_zpsdt4rdvwu.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

Then Play On is good. Tusk is better.

[Swan]

I looked for Tusk, they didn't have it.

[AboveTheClouds]

I found my one full crate of records. I got.

Bathory - The Return.....(Of Darkness and Evil) (Picture Disk)
Pig Destroyer/ColdWorker/Antigama 3 way Split EP (Red vinyl)
Weapon - Para Bhakti... Salvation EP
Bestial Mockery - Slaying the Life LP (Pink Vinyl)
Pelican - March Into the Sea (Purple/White splatter vinyl)
Mare - Mare (Blue/White splatter vinyl)
Kid606 VS 5ive's continuum research project (White/Pink splatter vinyl)
Revenge - Victory.Intolerance.Mastery (Picture Disk)
Blasphemophager - Atomic Infested Carnage
Order From Chaos - Stillbirth Machine
Order From Chaos - Dawn Bringer
Order From Chaos - An Ending In Fire
Conqueror/Black Witchery - Hellstorm of Evil Vengeance (I own the CD too)
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom (Picture Disk)
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom NWN re-release
Khanate - Capture and Release (180 Gram Vinyl)
Ghoul - Splatterthrash
Damaar - Triumph Through Spears of Sacrilege
Black Witchery - Upheaval of Satanic Might
Motorhead - Motorhead
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Ozzy Osbourne - The Blizzard of Oz
Dropkick Murphys - Blackout
The Doors - LA Woman
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin - 2
Led Zeppelin - 4
GG Allin - Hated in the Nation
Lou Reed - Rock and Roll Diary 1967-1980
Gorillaz - Demon Days
Bob and Doug McKenzie - Great White North
The Eagles - Hotel California
Blue Oyster Cult - Agents of Fortune
Queen - News of the World
Journey - Escape
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Iron Butterfly - Inna Gadda Da Vida
Soft Cell - Nonstop Erotic Cabaret
Alice Cooper - Welcome to my Nightmare
Eddie Money - Eddie Money
Music from Miami Vice
Billy Idol - Rebel Yell
Billy Idol - Billy Idol
The Pogues - If I Should Fall from Grace with God
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - Damn the Torpedos

I found my tapes in the same crate, so out of boredom here we go.

Venom - Canadian Assault
Conqueror - War Cult Supremacy
Toxic Holocaust - Evil Never Dies
Pactum - S/T
Fornication - Hell Metal
Fornication/Eliminator Split - Bomb Raiding Hell Metal
Emit - The Dark Gods
Garroting Deep - Promo '10
Oath - Night Spirits
Begrime Exemious - Set Ablaze the Kingdom of Abraham

a lot of Black Metal, I know lol.

[Swan]

Damn man, that's a nice collection. :up:

[christine]

Since my last post, I've gotten two more vinyl.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear

And I'll be getting another one today as an early Christmas present from a friend. :)

I love that LP , I probably listen to it every single week.

[Zotis]

a lot of Black Metal, I know lol.
Because Black Metal is awesome obviously.

By the way, may I rec Deathspell Omega if you aren't already familiar with them. Swan, you should check them out too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZUnS93C5U_4

[Swan]

Good stuff from what I can tell.

Did I ever tell you I got that Subrosa album you recommended me, Zotis? I quite liked it. Especially the first song.

[Zotis]

Good stuff from what I can tell.

Did I ever tell you I got that Subrosa album you recommended me, Zotis? I quite liked it. Especially the first song.
No you didn't tell me! I'm actually so jealous, HMV didn't even have their cd's.

[AboveTheClouds]

Because Black Metal is awesome obviously.

By the way, may I rec Deathspell Omega if you aren't already familiar with them. Swan, you should check them out too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZUnS93C5U_4

Si Monvmentvm reqvires... is a classic dude!

If you like them check out (assuming you haven't heard them)

Antaeus
Gloria Diaboli
Funeral Mist (One of my top 5 favorites)
Glorior Belli (the early stuff, especially O Laudate Dominvs)
Inquisition
Profanatica
The Royal Arch Blaspheme
Ayat
Vrolok

[Zotis]

Because Black Metal is awesome obviously.

By the way, may I rec Deathspell Omega if you aren't already familiar with them. Swan, you should check them out too.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZUnS93C5U_4

Si Monvmentvm reqvires... is a classic dude!

If you like them check out (assuming you haven't heard them)

Antaeus
Gloria Diaboli
Funeral Mist (One of my top 5 favorites)
Glorior Belli (the early stuff, especially O Laudate Dominvs)
Inquisition
Profanatica
The Royal Arch Blaspheme
Ayat
Vrolok



Thanks for the recs, I'll check them out. The only one of those I'm familiar with is Funeral Mist. They're good.

[AboveTheClouds]

Yeah, Arioch is a very talented individual, he's done most of the recording and instrumentation himself if I remember correctly, he was/is also in another fantastic band also based out of Stockholm, known as Triumphator and Heresi is another fantastic band from Sweden as well. And if for some reason you've never heard Judas Iscariot, Krieg, Xasthur, Grand Belial's Key, Lurker of Chalice and Leviathan, plz check them out too. Sorry, I love BM and don't really get to talk about it too often. If you want any recs based on specific bands lemme know, I can help out, I also am knowledgeable with doom and death metal as well if any of that strikes your interest.

[Swan]

No you didn't tell me! I'm actually so jealous, HMV didn't even have their cd's.

Well, not on vinyl - just on iTunes. So not as great as it could be.

[Zotis]

Yeah, Arioch is a very talented individual, he's done most of the recording and instrumentation himself if I remember correctly, he was/is also in another fantastic band also based out of Stockholm, known as Triumphator and Heresi is another fantastic band from Sweden as well. And if for some reason you've never heard Judas Iscariot, Krieg, Xasthur, Grand Belial's Key, Lurker of Chalice and Leviathan, plz check them out too. Sorry, I love BM and don't really get to talk about it too often. If you want any recs based on specific bands lemme know, I can help out, I also am knowledgeable with doom and death metal as well if any of that strikes your interest.
Doom is some muddy water I haven't taken the time to trudge through, but I would certainly appreciate Doom recs. I love the band Doom, although they are really Powerviolence (if I'm not mistaken). I'll have to talk to you sometime about Death Metal, but for now let's just focus on Black Metal. I love Venom, but I prefer more White Metal and Crusty/Punky Black Metal like White Medal, Bone Awl, Raspberry Bulbs, Black Murder, Furdidurke, etc... I am a Christian so some stuff I do stop listening to when I realise how Satanic it is, even though the music is so good.

[Zotis]

No you didn't tell me! I'm actually so jealous, HMV didn't even have their cd's.

Well, not on vinyl - just on iTunes. So not as great as it could be.
Ah okay, well that does make me less jealous. If you had the vynil I would be tempted to steal it from you.

[Swan]

Doom is some muddy water I haven't taken the time to trudge through, but I would certainly appreciate Doom recs. I love the band Doom, although they are really Powerviolence (if I'm not mistaken). I'll have to talk to you sometime about Death Metal, but for now let's just focus on Black Metal. I love Venom, but I prefer more White Metal and Crusty/Punky Black Metal like White Medal, Bone Awl, Raspberry Bulbs, Black Murder, Furdidurke, etc... I am a Christian so some stuff I do stop listening to when I realise how Satanic it is, even though the music is so good.

One of my friends was talking about how people always think black metal is this really satanic thing, but is really misunderstood because often - like Burzum - the lyrical content is about really interesting, metaphysical stuff. Like old mythologies and whatnot I haven't listened to enough black metal but I thought that was interesting.

[Zotis]

Well I'm generalising. Lots of Black Metal bands have satanic imagery in their artwork and lyrics, and just a lot of evil violent content. I love God, and when stuff is offensive to him I don't really want to pursue it. I see music as abstract. I don't think that instrumentals are a moral issue. But lyrics certainly are. I'll listen to stuff like Venom's Welcome to Hell to an extent, at least to familiarise myself with it, but I try to limit it. It depends on how I feel though. The closer I get to God the more I feel detatched from the world, like transcendence, and the more I want to pursue things that are morally upright.

[Swan]

Oh definitely, there is a lot of satanism and if you disagree with that stuff I understand not wanting to listen to it. The reason I mentioned that was because you are kind of proof that he's right - you love black metal but not anything satanic. Most people would be surprised that that's even possible.

[Zotis]

Well, I do like a lot of satanic Black Metal too. Like Deathspell Omega, it may be satanic, but it's too good to not listen to.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fB7u9hKk48I

These guys are supposedly a Christian Black Metal band. I haven't really read their lyrics or looked much into it.

[Zotis]

On a completely unrelated note, I'm obsessed with the band I Hate Sex:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fiULEn0UOZI

[jiraffejustin]

Two records came in the mail today: Pet Sounds and Good Kid, Mad City. I finally own some hip-hop vinyl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Swan]

I need more metal in my collection. I have Electric Wizard and Nails, but that's NOT ENOUGH!!!!!!

However, today I bought this.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/eea2d95c-cc46-4486-afc9-9bf7b7102634_zps9zcmxtev.png

[AboveTheClouds]

One of my friends was talking about how people always think black metal is this really satanic thing, but is really misunderstood because often - like Burzum - the lyrical content is about really interesting, metaphysical stuff. Like old mythologies and whatnot I haven't listened to enough black metal but I thought that was interesting.


Actually Swan Black Metal IS Satan. White metal is the opposite of Black Metal, White metal can have the same musical structure and vocals, but the lyrical content is where the line is drawn. For music to be Black Metal, real true Black Metal, the lyrical themes and ideologies must revolve around Satan and opposition to christianity

Now, the line starts to get blurry for most people in one way or another, but I will attempt to break it down for you.

Burzum is not a very good example of early Black Metal, although the musical styles are the same and the first few albums(Before Varg went to Jail for killing Euronymous of Mayhem, and before he turned Burzum into kind of an electronic project) were really good, they are however a poor example of real black metal and would be better off in the same category as Isengard and Summoning who basically play "Blackened Folk"

Which is again where it gets confusing, because the term Blackened Folk basically means the music is based on folk tales and literature, but played with the same style you would play black metal. Blackened Folk, Blackened Death, Blackened Doom, Blackened Thrash, Blackened Crust etc all exist in their own rights with essentially the same reasoning. A lot of bands who do mix Black Metal with their chosen genre actually do incorporate elements of anti-christianity or satan however. At times using the Blackened prefix can denote either musical or ideological similarity or both.

Venom is credited with creating the term Black Metal (Their magnum opus 1982's Black Metal) even though themselves do not play in as aggressive manner, or use the same vocal technique they are Black Metal because of the lyrics and ideology, as is a band like Mercyful Fate, who's singer utilizes a very high Falsetto and the band play more of a general heavy metal sound, but are considered Black Metal because of the ideology and lyrical themes. And bands like Hellhammer and Sarcofago helped to pave the way releasing stuff like Apocalyptic Raids and INRI, while at the same time themselves being progenitors of 3 different genre's (Thrash, Black, Death)Even Slayer's first couple albums are considered influential to Black Metal. I look to Bathory to explain when Black Metal really became Black Metal though. Bathory's first four albums were pure Black Metal, they were played in the (now) trademark sound of BM and the lyrical themes and ideologies match accordingly.

Bathory
Under the Sign of the Black Mark
The Return
Blood Fire Death(Where you can hear the departure from pure black metal to Viking metal, another genre Bathory helped create)

Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor, Mayhem, Nifelheim, Marduk etc are all second wave bands and were influenced by the guys I mentioned above. The genre was established as a form of Anti-christian propaganda and as a means of protest and desire to return to the Satanic/Pagan tradition they believed to be their birth right. And I believe some kind of a tongue in cheek theatrics. Second wave is when people really ran with the idea of Black Metal, but it's also when it was adapted to fit peoples personal styles of music and even personal beliefs (National Socialist Black Metal, but I don't want to even talk about this mess lol)

Black Metal has grown into a genre which at times defies convention and at times walks a muddled path, but the core values of real Black Metal are always the same dude, Ad Majorem Satanae Gloriam (For the Greater Glory of Satan)

[Swan]

Fascinating. I'm definitely not an expert on black metal. It just makes me laugh sometimes all the labels and subgenres in metal, you know? Even though I get caught up in it too.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm guessing Black Metal isn't heavy metal with black musicians?

Is there such a thing? Are there any black people who sing heavy metal?

[Swan]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/45995010-5dc2-477b-807a-ea8e09081032_zpsnty5se36.jpg

[Swan]

Though they are an instrumental metal band.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Yeah, they don't look "metal" at all to me.

[Swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfzWpp0hMc

[Sexy Celebrity]

Okay, stop. Back to your normal ... stuff.

[Swan]

Actually, he is one of my favorite modern guitar players.

[AboveTheClouds]

Our friend Zotis is a SERIOUS minority, especially because a band like DSO is orthodox Satanism, they worship Satan in a literal sense, same with a band like Funeral Mist, they are also Orthodox satanism. A lot of guys don't actually hold the BM ideology they just play the music and have fun with theatrics. Bands like DSO, Antaeus, Funeral Mist, Gorgoroth, Watain etc are all actual orthodox Satanists, the real deal. So for Zotis to appreciate the bands that REALLY are Black Metal it's kind of strange, but refreshing in a way.

Metalheads take genre conventions very seriously, it's kind of an elitist world to live in, in regards to that stuff. Fans of specific genre's hang out together, there are a lot of cliques and "Check it out dude, I got the new Blasphemoprofanasatanicayaddayaddayadda record, #65 of 69!" "Pfffffff poseur, I got #64 of 69, I'm way more kvlt than you" And it's very tiring, I don't claim to be an expert but it was the first genre of music I really loved, so I poured myself into it for a decade plus. And I agree dude, all the sub-genre's are kind of a lark.

[AboveTheClouds]

I'm guessing Black Metal isn't heavy metal with black musicians?

Is there such a thing? Are there any black people who sing heavy metal?


http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Body-Count-playing-Mayhem-Fest.jpg

BODY COUNT!!!! COP KILLLAAAA

[Swan]

Our friend Zotis is a SERIOUS minority, especially because a band like DSO is orthodox Satanism, they worship Satan in a literal sense, same with a band like Funeral Mist, they are also Orthodox satanism. A lot of guys don't actually hold the BM ideology they just play the music and have fun with theatrics. Bands like DSO, Antaeus, Funeral Mist, Gorgoroth, Watain etc are all actual orthodox Satanists, the real deal. So for Zotis to appreciate the bands that REALLY are Black Metal it's kind of strange, but refreshing in a way.

Metalheads take genre conventions very seriously, it's kind of an elitist world to live in, in regards to that stuff. Fans of specific genre's hang out together, there are a lot of cliques and "Check it out dude, I got the new Blasphemoprofanasatanicayaddayaddayadda record, #65 of 69!" "Pfffffff poseur, I got #64 of 69, I'm way more kvlt than you" And it's very tiring, I don't claim to be an expert but it was the first genre of music I really loved, so I poured myself into it for a decade plus. And I agree dude, all the sub-genre's are kind of a lark.

Yeah, that's the one thing I hate about metal. The stereotypical elitist metalhead. Thankfully, not all of them are like that. Then there are people like me, who aren't metalheads but still enjoy the genre quite a bit. In fact, it's one of my favorite genres. Though I'm not as sophisticated about it as you are.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Okay, now THEY look metal.

AboveTheClouds, are you a Satanist?

[AboveTheClouds]

My beliefs are my own and mix philosophies. But in an orthodox sense, no I do not believe there is a physical Satan, because I do not believe in god. In the sense of Satan being the opposer of concrete morality and the goat amongst the sheep, yes I agree with that, and in that definition I am Satan, as I reject morality and embrace individualism. However Nietzsche's concept of the ubermencsh and this-worldliness is closer to what I consider my personal philosophy.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I know all about it. I read Marilyn Manson's autobiography.

[Swan]

Sexy is secretly a Satanic. Just like all sexy celebrities.

[Mr Minio]

Swan is a Swanianist. Now how evil is that?

[Swan]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RKw62mbs--/18w0j66lp13xvjpg.jpg

[AboveTheClouds]

ALL HAIL DARK LORD SWANTAN!

[Mr Minio]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RKw62mbs--/18w0j66lp13xvjpg.jpg
What? Swan is evolving!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8218/8338418327_2aee34c496_b.jpg
???
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/f6/d4/4df6d40011bd4c002f4d08e2dfc40917.jpg
Congratulations! Your Swan evolved into Swantan!

[Miss Vicky]

Just out of curiosity, how much are used vinyl albums going for these days?

[Swan]

Just out of curiosity, how much are used vinyl albums going for these days?

It varies, but I did get Then Play On for 8 bucks.

[Mr Minio]

Just out of curiosity, how much are used vinyl albums going for these days? Our Black Mass has been interrupted! O, Swantan, please, claim that unworthy creature as an offering!

[Swan]

Our Black Mass has been interrupted! O, Swantan, please, claim that unworthy creature as an offering!

Who is doing the sacrificing? Swantan does not do his own sacrificing!

[Mr Minio]

Me, your humble servant!

[Swan]

Okay. This will also act as Minio's ceremony, as I am promoting him to my loyal compadre and right-hand man.

[Mr Minio]

*attempts to stab Miss Vicky with sacrificial knife*

[Mr Minio]

MISSED!
*Miss Vicky flees*

Oh Great Swantan, I have failed! I didn't bring the disturber to justice!

[Slappydavis]

Only occasionally listen to metal, but Abandon All Life is ****ing rad.

[AboveTheClouds]

Give Iskra a try :D

[Swan]

Only occasionally listen to metal, but Abandon All Life is ****ing rad.

Yeah, it's really great.

[Zotis]

Personally I am not a Black Metal expert, but I do research music quite a bit. I don't believe that lyrical content can ever be the only defining attribute that makes or breaks whether a band is a specific genre. Lyrical style sometimes can, but only if a band has a lot of influence from both genres. Still at the end of the day "genres" are just man made labels to help classify and organize music and make it easier to find.

I've spent a lot of time on Metal forums talking to Metal heads over the years.

[AboveTheClouds]

Well they wouldn't call it Goregrind if it didn't have lyrics involving damage and trauma to human anatomy, they wouldn't call it War Metal if it didn't focus on themes of war, politics and domination and they wouldn't call it Doom metal if it was about positivity and being full of hope...

So I can't really agree with that. I lived the lifestyle for a long time and speak from personal experience, do you mind me asking what forums Zotis, I used to frequent some as well, maybe we've crossed paths before. The consensus of everyone who was "in the know" all agreed upon the definition that Black Metal is Satan and Satan is Black Metal. Bands even state it "Weapon is Black Metal, Black Metal is Satan" Black Metal is war against judeo-christian ethic and religious dogma in general, there is no other definition for it. Personal interpretation may vary of course to some degree, but there is a reason why christian black metal is called unblack metal.

Also, if you're christian you should check out a band called Trouble, they play doom in the vein of a St.Vitus/Black Sabbath/Place of Skulls sort of a thing. But they have lyrical themes that do incorporate christian spirituality.

[Miss Vicky]

There might maybe be something coming your way soon, Swan. Maybe.

Try not to piss me off for the next few days. Okay?

[Swan]

There might maybe be something coming your way soon, Swan. Maybe.

Try not to piss me off for the next few days. Okay?

Challenge accepted.

Here's a photo of the most genius guitar player to ever exist.

http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/stillgoinginsane_old/images/lbgoinsane2.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

I'm not making any promises either way. We'll see how the auction goes.

[Mr Minio]

Challenge accepted.

Here's a photo of the most genius guitar player to ever exist. Who is this puny mortal? Lel, for a moment I thought you are going to post your own photo here.

[Miss Vicky]

Puny mortal? I want negative rep back.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Puny mortal? I want negative rep back.

You are negative rep. :joaquin:

[Zotis]

Well they wouldn't call it Goregrind if it didn't have lyrics involving damage and trauma to human anatomy, they wouldn't call it War Metal if it didn't focus on themes of war, politics and domination and they wouldn't call it Doom metal if it was about positivity and being full of hope...

So I can't really agree with that. I lived the lifestyle for a long time and speak from personal experience, do you mind me asking what forums Zotis, I used to frequent some as well, maybe we've crossed paths before. The consensus of everyone who was "in the know" all agreed upon the definition that Black Metal is Satan and Satan is Black Metal. Bands even state it "Weapon is Black Metal, Black Metal is Satan" Black Metal is war against judeo-christian ethic and religious dogma in general, there is no other definition for it. Personal interpretation may vary of course to some degree, but there is a reason why christian black metal is called unblack metal.

Also, if you're christian you should check out a band called Trouble, they play doom in the vein of a St.Vitus/Black Sabbath/Place of Skulls sort of a thing. But they have lyrical themes that do incorporate christian spirituality.
Lyrical content can certainly be a contributing factor in determining a genre. I just don't believe it can be the only factor. Lyrical themes and various other elements give rise to the naming of a genre when it is in it's early stages of development, but that is the extent of it. After a genre gets established it's not long before bands emerge that break various trends and bring in elements from other genres. Music is constantly growing and changing. UnBlack Metal is still Black Metal. There is just a large group of people who I think simply don't want to admit it out of prejudice. Underoath's first two albums have Black Metal elements in their music, not Unblack Metal elements as if there is any distinction. I'm just using that as an example. Lyrical content is not the only thing that separates goregrind from grindcore. Goregrind is heavier instrumentally too.

I posted a lot on gaiaonline. My account there is Scarch, but I'm not active anymore. Although last time I poked in some people remembered me right away. That was the most prominent one. I can't remember the names of the random other forums.

[AboveTheClouds]

Musical similarity aside.. Unblack Metal is not Black Metal(FYI I've never heard an Un-Black Metal band be anywhere near as abrasive or aggressive in sound, they don't have the drive for it, Black metal is driven by rage and hate, not hope and faith. Black Metal is a reaction and movement against judeo-christianity and religious dogma, if you don't share that ideology in your music, it simply cannot be Black Metal... Would they call it Gangster Rap if they didn't rap about drugs, money, cars, girls, hood life etc? Hell no they wouldn't. . And all I said about Goregrind is they wouldn't call it that without said lyrical themes, regardless if it's heavier or not(which I would dispute) they wouldn't call it that without the subject matter, same goes for Pornogrind, if it didn't have that subject matter it wouldn't be Pornogrind.... Underoath is metalcore and hardcore. If you think that they have Black Metal influence(doubtful as christians they'd even listen too it, as you yourself being christian tend to stray from the more extreme stuff.. But it's all extreme stuff)

I think you need to bone up on your hardcore history, they have a sound closer to Hardcore Punk(Like Discharge) than Black Metal(hardcore punk itself being a precursor to Black Metal and having influenced instrumentation in Black Metal..) I had a good friend and she was a huge fan of that kind of music, and I had to sit through many an Atreyu/Opiate for the masses/Underoath/Glassjaw/At the Drive In album, it's all Post Hardcore/Metalcore. Oh yeah, I'm also a big fan of Hardcore, Anarcho, D-Beat, Crust, Powerviolence and Emo too, so I know a thing or two about those. Music means more to me than it does to most people, I'm very passionate about it, and pursue knowledge of it on an almost hourly basis. None of this is me trying to be a prick, but me trying to explain that your definitions are not entirely wrong, but simply skewed, you make it sound like anything that has blast beats and gutteral vocals is death metal, or anything that is produced in a lo-fi quality with fast tempo guitars recorded with a microphone stuffed into a dead rat is black metal. If you want to generalize just say metal, and I won't give you crap about it, it's an acceptable UMBRELLA term, which is what sub-genres are not.

And if I remember correctly Gaiaonline is not a metal site, my ex used to post there and it seemed like everyone listened to HIM and stuff like that, and watched a lot of anime and stuff(Don't get me wrong, I love anime too :D). But it's not exactly the best place to learn about a genre that really, without first hand knowledge is hard to comprehend.

In closing, the fact is that you don't have the same level of knowledge and experience, so to argue this is pointless. I lived the life, was involved in the scene, went to shows, played in bands, wrote for zines and moderated a number of forums(Which is why I asked :)). And unless you can say the same, unfortunately your opinion does not hold as much water as you'd like to think it does. I am aware that opinion is subjective, but at a point you have to realize that you're talking out of your ass.

BTW Sorry Swan for turning this into a debate about Black Metal and genre classifications.

[Swan]

I'm definitely not bothered by the debate, ATC, but I would say remember to be respectful to each other. :)

[Swan]

Just ordered the record below. Inspired by Miss Vicky's persistence. :D Also my first eBay purchase.

I'm also going to Metavinyl today, but might MAYBE get something if the price is right. Maybe.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/Fleetwood_Mac_-_Tusk_zpshhpkp8b7.jpg

[Swan]

5 bucks!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/MI0000039691_zpsxfzhvxta.jpg

[Zotis]

Musical similarity aside.. Unblack Metal is not Black Metal(FYI I've never heard an Un-Black Metal band be anywhere near as abrasive or aggressive in sound, they don't have the drive for it, Black metal is driven by rage and hate, not hope and faith. Black Metal is a reaction and movement against judeo-christianity and religious dogma, if you don't share that ideology in your music, it simply cannot be Black Metal... Would they call it Gangster Rap if they didn't rap about drugs, money, cars, girls, hood life etc? Hell no they wouldn't. . And all I said about Goregrind is they wouldn't call it that without said lyrical themes, regardless if it's heavier or not(which I would dispute) they wouldn't call it that without the subject matter, same goes for Pornogrind, if it didn't have that subject matter it wouldn't be Pornogrind.... Underoath is metalcore and hardcore. If you think that they have Black Metal influence(doubtful as christians they'd even listen too it, as you yourself being christian tend to stray from the more extreme stuff.. But it's all extreme stuff)

I think you need to bone up on your hardcore history, they have a sound closer to Hardcore Punk(Like Discharge) than Black Metal(hardcore punk itself being a precursor to Black Metal and having influenced instrumentation in Black Metal..) I had a good friend and she was a huge fan of that kind of music, and I had to sit through many an Atreyu/Opiate for the masses/Underoath/Glassjaw/At the Drive In album, it's all Post Hardcore/Metalcore. Oh yeah, I'm also a big fan of Hardcore, Anarcho, D-Beat, Crust, Powerviolence and Emo too, so I know a thing or two about those. Music means more to me than it does to most people, I'm very passionate about it, and pursue knowledge of it on an almost hourly basis. None of this is me trying to be a prick, but me trying to explain that your definitions are not entirely wrong, but simply skewed, you make it sound like anything that has blast beats and gutteral vocals is death metal, or anything that is produced in a lo-fi quality with fast tempo guitars recorded with a microphone stuffed into a dead rat is black metal. If you want to generalize just say metal, and I won't give you crap about it, it's an acceptable UMBRELLA term, which is what sub-genres are not.

And if I remember correctly Gaiaonline is not a metal site, my ex used to post there and it seemed like everyone listened to HIM and stuff like that, and watched a lot of anime and stuff(Don't get me wrong, I love anime too :D). But it's not exactly the best place to learn about a genre that really, without first hand knowledge is hard to comprehend.

In closing, the fact is that you don't have the same level of knowledge and experience, so to argue this is pointless. I lived the life, was involved in the scene, went to shows, played in bands, wrote for zines and moderated a number of forums(Which is why I asked :)). And unless you can say the same, unfortunately your opinion does not hold as much water as you'd like to think it does. I am aware that opinion is subjective, but at a point you have to realize that you're talking out of your ass.

BTW Sorry Swan for turning this into a debate about Black Metal and genre classifications.

There is no need to make personal insults. I was enjoying the conversation, and I'm willing to continue, but please don't insult me. And don't try to cram your personal oppinions down my throat.

Just because you were in bands, and administrated metal forums doesn't make you right. If you want to prove that UnBlack Metal isn't Black Metal, then lets see some reliable sources and some real evidence. If you can't do that then you have no business telling me off for having a different oppinion from you. You said yourself you aren't an expert on the subject, so why are you now trying to show me all these credentials about your experience as if any of that implies you understand more about this particular issue. All that means is you have more experience with Black Metal than I do, but it doesn't mean you're right. So let's continue discussing the issue like mature adults and see if we make any progress before you start claiming a premature victory okay?

[Swan]

Haven't posted in here in about a week, but that's because I'm practicing budgeting and whatnot. So I'm trying to restrain myself from buying too much. Today, I decided to treat myself. I'm studying jazz guitar right now and this seems like a perfect album for me at the current moment, so I went and ordered it.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/a8a018e7-ca99-48de-95f2-eb2ba95d62eb_zpsu53ckhdc.jpg

[Miss Vicky]

*clears throat*

[Swan]

Still sick? :D

I now have this beautiful vinyl thanks to one Miss Vicky! Thanks Tori!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/MI0001843388_zpsxisg4sxm.jpg

[Swan]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/fdd0d0f6-f227-4d34-a6f8-3fc639220745_zpspdxz7suo.png

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/16b58958-d152-4499-ab25-124bf435fab9_zpsb1vnkkh8.jpg

[honeykid]

Tom Waits? Nick Cave? So you're just throwing money away? :p

[Swan]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26o3n7HCH1qa9yvvo1_500.gif

[Mr Minio]

Vinyls are useless!

http://i.imgur.com/iaD2bO4.png

[Slappydavis]

I don't have a record player myself, but my roommate does and I got him this for his birthday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWUt3Y0LwpI

Took a bit of doing to find a strobe light app to make it work [Strobily, 25hz] but I got it to work and it's actually pretty cool. The A-Side is good music too, the b-side not as much.

[Swan]

Updated my list so it's just the ones I officially consider mine, with only a few inherited from my dad so my collection isn't overbearing. Smaller collection now, but one I'm prouder of.

My last two purchases were two of my fave albums.

Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Album

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/1370752_zpsxkdimcvt.jpg

Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/86768f32-af6c-438e-a3c6-7e0a2a66463d_zpsw1wxixw5.jpg

[Swan]

I FINALLY OWN IT!!!!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/81gKZI89qHL._SL1500__zpshy57blwu.jpg

[Swan]

Got this today. It's one of the original 1997 LP's, apparently.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - f# a# infinity

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/220px-FsharpAsharpInfinity_vinyl_zpsixgu4vdl.jpg

[Zotis]

Laptops are useless!

http://i.imgur.com/iaD2bO4.png

Fixed.

[Beatle]

Vinyl is the best sound ever! Listen to my dad old vinyl is just too d*mn cool

Ditto.

No, they sound best on valium. Close though, Minio. ;)

How much is vinyl these days?

:lol:

Man, it really varies. Prices are all over the place, with vinyl, it seems.

An average price for a re-issue is about 30 dollars. Hella lot more than CD. But there are insane state of the art (of 300 grams or god knows not) unique collector editions. I even think there's some absolutely unique (only one single product!) Plastic Ono Band of thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars!

I can't say I own a single one, since it's all my dad's. (It's his money, I've not earned a penny my whole life, but I did buy a lot of re-issues, the last four just a few days ago) So he has about 700 records. All the Beatles' studio albums, some more compilations, Stones, Hendrix etc

I bought Hair soundtrack, Dionne by Dionne Warwick, Mahogany soundtrack, Nilsson Schmilsson, Arrival, Voulez-Vous, Super Trouper by ABBA, The Clash, Ziggy stardust and the spiders from Mars, Heroes, Young Americans, Diamond dogs, Scarry Monsters and Super Creeps, Let's Dance by Bowie, Hotel California by the Eagles, A Night at the Opera by Queen, all of Jean Michal Jarre, etc.

This was the last one:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/TheMamasAndThePapas-IfYouCanBelieveYourEyesAndEars.jpg

Their debut album, I bought it more or less because of California Dreamin'.