Sad September 11th

[Sexy Celebrity]

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Sad September 11th, Everybody.

('cause you can't really say "Happy September 11th")

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Be Safe.

[MovieMeditation]

A sad day indeed. Tragic and usettling event and it will never be forgotten.

The day appears even more scary after watching the documentary, September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor, which, since the doc countdown is coming up, I want to recommend to everybody; whether you believe it was an inside job or not. This documentary goes through the facts with a tremendous amount of detail and it has to be the ultimate covering of what happened on 9/11, ever made.

[Mr.Sparkle]

I listened to that broadcast a few years ago. Kind of terrifying to hear the events take place with people calling in.

[Fabulous]

Here's something that might be interesting to listen to -- The Howard Stern Show on 9/11/01. They were on the air in New York, talking about Pamela Anderson, when they got a report about the World Trade Center. They stayed on the air during the whole thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfguSwWeXOw

I'm a pretty avid listener of Howard and that is one of the broadcasts I listen to quite a bit. Very intense and emotional show.

[Yoda]

Here's something that might be interesting to listen to -- The Howard Stern Show on 9/11/01. They were on the air in New York, talking about Pamela Anderson, when they got a report about the World Trade Center. They stayed on the air during the whole thing:


Same thing happened on local radio. My old man had a drive time show back then, and he just stayed on the air. When the host of the next show came in, they just did one together. Three hours later the next host came in and joined them.

[cricket]

I remember all of us at work watching this as it happened. I called my girlfriend to wake her up just in time for her to see the second plane hit. We would get married 4 days later as planned, but with sadness in our hearts. We wanted to postpone our honeymoon, but we would've lost our money, so we flew out to Italy on I think the first day that passenger aircraft were back up and running. The Italian people were wonderful, very empathetic and supportive. We would then visit ground zero not long after; the scope of the destruction was awe-inspiring and sickening at the same time.

WE WILL NEVER FORGET!

[seanc]

I lived on Long Island at the time. Both my wife and I were off work that day. I was in the shower and my wife comes in and asks me what WTC was. We had a tire sales place by that name there so my response was "the tire place?", because we I had no idea what was going on. We sat and watched CNN as everything was unfolding. Absolutely a day I will never forget. Words can't ever describe what your mind goes through during a tragedy like that.

My soon to be brother-in-law was working in one of the buildings as an electrician at that time. He had taken off that day to go and get his marriage license with my sister-in-law. Quite a few guys from his union were killed. Obviously it is a very emotional day for him.

I wish I had more words but I just don't. A tragedy that this nation will never forget and hopefully we will never have to go through again.

[jrs]

I heard the Howard Stern radio show back in 2001. I can't get passed listening to the newscast announce the horror. I start to cry and need to turn it off. I remember the day clearly. I woke up for work and I saw it. It even disheartens me that that was the same day My sister was admitted to Bellevue hospital. My mom knew one of the firefighters then. I mentioned this in another WTC 9/11/01 thread years ago. His name was Gary R. Box (http://longisland.newsday.com/911-anniversary/victims/Gary-Box) and was a FDNY Squad1 Firefighter. His body was never found. He was only 37 years old.

[rauldc14]

I was in my 8th grade social studies class when I heard the news. We watched the TV for about two hours and school was released. Went back home and watched the TV the entire day, really hoping nothing more tragic would happen. Such a sad day.

[Gatsby]

I was only 9 when it happened, and it came to me as a great shock. Twas such a tragic day. Hope something like this never happens again. May the victims rest in peace forever.

[ashdoc]

it was late evening in india when i saw the TV flashing the news . sat glued to the TV for hours forgetting everything else .

soon friends began phoning to discuss the tragedy because i was supposed to be the ' islam expert ' among my friends and they wanted my opinion on those who were responsible . to be honest some of my friends were sanguine and said that ' it's good that now america , which has supported pakistan inspite of pakistan fomenting terrorism in india is getting a dose of some pakistani medicine '---for ultimately the al qaeda and taliban were surviving on pakistani support , conformed years later by osama bin laden being found in pakistan....

i however was able to change the minds of some of them by pointing out that india had tilted to the side of the soviet union and had supported the soviet backed afghan govt and russian occupation of afghanistan during the cold war and hence america was forced to take help of pakistan to bring down the soviet backed afghan govt and end russian domination of afghanistan .

[JayDee]

Just absolutely incredible to think how long ago this actually was. It was such an iconic event (for horrific reasons) that sticks so much in your mind that you can't believe it's been much more than just a few years. I can still remember pretty much every moment of that day. When the first plane hit I was actually up the road getting a haircut. I came home and switched the TV on and sort of saw it in the background without really paying attention; just assuming it was like a disaster movie or something. I then turned the channel and found the exact same images, at which point I realised what was going on. About 5 minutes later the 2nd plane hit. For pretty much the rest of the day I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.

Except for the evening when I had to go out with my mum. You didn't feel you should be going about your normal life but it was my sister's wedding a few days later and I needed to get something to wear. Went to a huge big shopping centre and it was just about the strangest experience I've ever had. It's usually such a crowded, boisterous place and while it was still very busy the atmosphere was so odd. It was pretty much just deathly silent.

I mean just think about it, from today onwards you could meet someone who is 14 years old who wasn't even born when September 11th happened! That just boggles the mind. How can it possibly have been that long ago?


We would get married 4 days later as planned,


The 15th? That was the same day my sister got married

[Swan]

I was just a kid, I remember all the adults talking about how we'll never forget that day and they were right. For some reason, though I didn't quite understand the impact it had at the time, I remember that day.

[ursaguy]

Time to wrap up a most controversial MoFo award. Most of you should not care about 9/11. As a person from New Jersey, a lot of people that I knew, friends of my family, family of those friends, died that day. If 9/11 personally affected you, then rep posts and share your story. That's fine. 99% of America and 100% of anywhere else was not personally affected by it. Most people don't know anybody that died. You don't actually care about the people who lost their lives, you just care about being called a good person and getting likes on the Internet by pretending to care. One of the things I hate the most is people talking about tragedies decades later that didn't do anything to them. It's insulting to people who really lived through it. Do give condolences to people that you know that suffered from tragedy. Don't whore yourself online. Society says that you should care about it, but there is no reason to care more about 9/11 than the 7/7 train bombings in 2005, which had its ten year anniversary a month ago and no post on this forum for remembering victims. Don't tr using the on American soil argument, because that's a selfish way of thinking. "It affected me because I have to spend more time to get through airport security." Go out and live your life. If one of the dozen people that died in the Minnesota mall was close to you, you should be remembering that and ignoring this as much as you do every other terrorist attack that society doesn't require you to remember. Most of you should be forgetting it and moving on.

[rauldc14]

I couldn't disagree with you anymore.

[AdamUpBxtch]

I remember some of that day, I was in First Grade and our teacher had the tv on and I still remember seeing the towers engulfed in smoke on the tv screen. Sad day indeed.

[seanc]

Time to wrap up a most controversial MoFo award. Most of you should not care about 9/11. As a person from New Jersey, a lot of people that I knew, friends of my family, family of those friends, died that day. If 9/11 personally affected you, then rep posts and share your story. That's fine. 99% of America and 100% of anywhere else was not personally affected by it. Most people don't know anybody that died. You don't actually care about the people who lost their lives, you just care about being called a good person and getting likes on the Internet by pretending to care. One of the things I hate the most is people talking about tragedies decades later that didn't do anything to them. It's insulting to people who really lived through it. Do give condolences to people that you know that suffered from tragedy. Don't whore yourself online. Society says that you should care about it, but there is no reason to care more about 9/11 than the 7/7 train bombings in 2005, which had its ten year anniversary a month ago and no post on this forum for remembering victims. Don't tr using the on American soil argument, because that's a selfish way of thinking. "It affected me because I have to spend more time to get through airport security." Go out and live your life. If one of the dozen people that died in the Minnesota mall was close to you, you should be remembering that and ignoring this as much as you do every other terrorist attack that society doesn't require you to remember. Most of you should be forgetting it and moving on.

Hey, I knew you. You lived on Long Island when I was there. Are you my mother-in-law? Stop living in a world where only you exist then maybe a tragedy outside of whatever you think the proper mile circumference is could effect you.

[Swan]

I was expecting someone to start a conspiracy debate, not a "you should all be heartless bastards" debate.

[rauldc14]

I didn't personally know anybody affected by the tragedies, but the pure fact that thousands of people WERE affected by it is enough for me to be affected by it as well. I was watching footage yesterday and it is absolutely heartbreaking.

[Citizen Rules]

Time to wrap up a most controversial MoFo award. Most of you should not care about 9/11. As a person from New Jersey, a lot of people that I knew, friends of my family, family of those friends, died that day. If 9/11 personally affected you, then rep posts and share your story. That's fine. 99% of America and 100% of anywhere else was not personally affected by it. Most people don't know anybody that died. You don't actually care about the people who lost their lives, you just care about being called a good person and getting likes on the Internet by pretending to care. One of the things I hate the most is people talking about tragedies decades later that didn't do anything to them. It's insulting to people who really lived through it. Do give condolences to people that you know that suffered from tragedy. Don't whore yourself online. Society says that you should care about it, but there is no reason to care more about 9/11 than the 7/7 train bombings in 2005, which had its ten year anniversary a month ago and no post on this forum for remembering victims. Don't tr using the on American soil argument, because that's a selfish way of thinking. "It affected me because I have to spend more time to get through airport security." Go out and live your life. If one of the dozen people that died in the Minnesota mall was close to you, you should be remembering that and ignoring this as much as you do every other terrorist attack that society doesn't require you to remember. Most of you should be forgetting it and moving on.Boo!..and no MoFo Controversial Award for you, you're trying to hard.

[The Gunslinger45]

Nah, Sexy or 90's Ace will still get that title.

[ursaguy]

I didn't personally know anybody affected by the tragedies, but the pure fact that thousands of people WERE affected by it is enough for me to be affected by it as well. I was watching footage yesterday and it is absolutely heartbreaking.

I don't expect to be popular, but I honestly believe it. We're you affected by the Gujurat earthquakes? That had 10 times the death toll of the 9/11 attacks, making it the most deadly incident of 2001, and I bet money not a single one of you has heard of it. People tragically die every day, and there is no reason to treat 9/11 as anything special compared to others. You should be sad over every tragic death or none of them, not what you and everybody else here is currently doing of picking and choosing to be sad over the popular ones.

[seanc]

I don't expect to be popular, but I honestly believe it. We're you affected by the Gujurat earthquakes? That had 10 times the death toll of the 9/11 attacks, making it the most deadly incident of 2001, and I bet money not a single one of you has heard of it. People tragically die every day, and there is no reason to treat 9/11 as anything special compared to others. You should be sad over every tragic death or none of them, not what you and everybody else here is currently doing of picking and choosing to be sad over the popular ones.

I will grant you that we sometimes get desensitized when we shouldn't. However, the fact that you used the word tragic before death shows that you possess that same human weakness and are not the keeper of what people find tragedy in. What makes you think people don't find other events around the world tragic. I live in the same country you do and talk to the same people and hardly find that to be the case.

[Captain Steel]

On a similar note - what about that plane that went down in New York right after 9/11?
Everyone thought it must be another terror attack (but the official story is it wasn't).
No one ever really talks about it. Is that because it was simply overshadowed by 9/11 or because it was so quickly swept under the rug by the government and the media?
But it's just so weird that ANOTHER American Airlines flight (#587) went down in New York City (Queens) almost exactly one month to the day of 9/11 (10/12/2001).

[ursaguy]

I will grant you that we sometimes get desensitized when we shouldn't. However, the fact that you used the word tragic before death shows that you possess that same human weakness and are not the keeper of what people find tragedy in. What makes you think people don't find other events around the world tragic. I live in the same country you do and talk to the same people and hardly find that to be the case.

I'm responding to the easy comeback of "but 9/11 was a tragedy". So are most deaths of innocent people in the hands of killers. This year was also the 10th year anniversary of the Andijan Massacre is Uzbekistan. Over a thousand people died in that at the hand of radical extremists. If people really are affected by the fact that thousands of others were affected, I would like to think that we would have a day to remember them. Obviously we don't. Why? Because we don't have time to be sad for everyone, and those who we didn't personally know are the one that get left behind. 9/11 is a commonly accepted exception to that rule, and I think it shouldn't be.

[Swan]

Sexy, I think ursaguy is in the minority here. 9/11 was a big deal to a lot of us on the board.

[ursaguy]

I bet if we did a Top 100 World Tragedies Countdown, September 11th wouldn't even make it.

The damn 2001 Gujarat Earthquakes would be #1.

You can sarcastically reply all you want. But it would help to give a practical reason as to why the Gujarat Earthquakes are so less worthy of rememberance than 9/11.

[Swan]

I'm responding to the easy comeback of "but 9/11 was a tragedy". So are most deaths of innocent people in the hands of killers. This year was also the 10th year anniversary of the Andijan Massacre is Uzbekistan. Over a thousand people died in that at the hand of radical extremists. If people really are affected by the fact that thousands of others were affected, I would like to think that we would have a day to remember them. Obviously we don't. Why? Because we don't have time to be sad for everyone, and those who we didn't personally know are the one that get left behind. 9/11 is a commonly accepted exception to that rule, and I think it shouldn't be.

Who says none of us find those tragic, either? I haven't heard of those. I don't spend my time studying tragedies. I've never studied 9/11, either. I know about what happened with that because I live in America. I'm sure if I learned about the stuff you're talking about, I'd feel just as sympathetic as I do about the people who died during 9/11.

[seanc]

I'm responding to the easy comeback of "but 9/11 was a tragedy". So are most deaths of innocent people in the hands of killers. This year was also the 10th year anniversary of the Andijan Massacre is Uzbekistan. Over a thousand people died in that at the hand of radical extremists. If people really are affected by the fact that thousands of others were affected, I would like to think that we would have a day to remember them. Obviously we don't. Why? Because we don't have time to be sad for everyone, and those who we didn't personally know are the one that get left behind. 9/11 is a commonly accepted exception to that rule, and I think it shouldn't be.

So why are you not trying to bring those events to light instead of telling people what they are and are not allowed to find tragedy in? Your first post comes across as someone who lived close so thinks they have the market cornered on grief for the whole country. Now your argument is something else entirely.

[mark f]

I understand that ursa means we have reasons to commemorate every day on the calendar because every single one has had numerous tragedies and disasters all over the world. We should first honor those we personally know and love. But 9/11 is one of the days I'l never forget. It was surreally-intense, I was a teacher and had to calm down the students from jumping to conclusions. We had the TVs on all day, and they mostly didn't have any answers. I've posted about it here before, so I won't add anything, but I believe it's the most-memorable day of my life.

[ursaguy]

Who says none of us find those tragic, either? I haven't heard of those. I don't spend my time studying tragedies. I've never studied 9/11, either. I know about what happened with that because I live in America. I'm sure if I learned about the stuff you're talking about, I'd feel just as sympathetic as I do about the people who died during 9/11.

If you honestly feel that way and are genuine in that intelligent statement, than you're a fantastic person and what I say isn't directed at you. I use my location to bring up the personal side. Being American too is a marginal personal connection at best. I moderately care about 9/11, because I was too young to remember it myself but do know that it directly affected my father, who is the most important person in my life. If I lived in Los Angeles, I wouldn't care.

[The Gunslinger45]

You can sarcastically reply all you want. But it would help to give a practical reason as to why the Gujarat Earthquakes are so less worthy of rememberance than 9/11.

9/11 shifted global focus onto the Middle East and Islamic extremists like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban became house hold names. While they have existed before and have attacked before 9/11 this was the blow that hit so close to home that America and the western world could no longer ignore Middle East extremism. Shifting mindsets, governments and law enforcement agencies to shift resources to combat a still present threat that has forever changed life as we know it for years to come.

It is not always the death toll that is most important, but what is the result of it.

[seanc]

If I lived in Los Angeles, I wouldn't care.

You probably would. No other global events besides 9/11 have ever effected you?

[ursaguy]

9/11 shifted global focus onto the Middle East and Islamic extremists like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban became house hold names. While they have existed before and have attacked before 9/11 this was the blow that hit so close to home that America and the western world could no longer ignore Middle East extremism. Shifting mindsets, governments and law enforcement agencies to shift resources to combat a still present threat that has forever changed life as we know it for years to come.

It is not always the death toll that is most important, but what is the result of it.

Fantastic. You're an inspiration. Hopefully this gets more responses, thoughts, and reps than the "9/11 was sad. RIP" plastered on the original post here.

[ursaguy]

You probably would. No other global events besides 9/11 have ever effected you?

I would care when it happened, but I wouldn't care 14 years later in the way that I think the French newspaper shooting was sad but won't remember in 12 months. It wouldn't effect me anymore than those Indian earthquakes.

[Citizen Rules]

Ursaguy give it up, your post was clearly written to be inflammatory. Maybe you laced it with some observations that might have played in Peoria. But back in the day we called that type of post a flame. It worked too, no we are all paying attention to you. Enjoy your 15 minutes.

[ursaguy]

It was written to make a statement. If I was flaming people I wouldnt actually believe in what I say, which I do. There are a lot of articulate people giving genuine reasons why the day mattered, to which I say that more people should be tweeting that on 9/11 instead of their generic expressions of sadness that they'll forget in a week. Also for the millionth time, if you do have a personal reason to care, like the loss of a person close or a drastic effect on your job, what I said is not directed at you. You are the people that should be feeling that, and I hope you genuinely do instead of pretending to care for the sake of popularity.

[seanc]

I would care when it happened, but I wouldn't care 14 years later in the way that I think the French newspaper shooting was sad but won't remember in 12 months. It wouldn't effect me anymore than those Indian earthquakes.

Again I think you changed what you were originally saying, but there are very few events like this where you remember where you were and everyone was watching together. I think Katrina fits that to some degree but not totally. The Challenger for sure. A lot of us remember the earthquake in SF because it became a big part of the WS. The generation before me remembers JFK assassination in this way. Maybe more tragedies should carry the weight we are talking about but to suggest that 9/11 shouldn't carry that weight because if it is a big misstep in my opinion.

[The Gunslinger45]

Fantastic. You're an inspiration. Hopefully this gets more responses, thoughts, and reps than the "9/11 was sad. RIP" plastered on the original post here.

But it is still sad. People died, people died trying to help, and many more joined the Armed Forced to kill the inhuman scum who carried out the attack. Some of whom gave the ultimate sacrifice.

I don't know what disconnect you have that makes the idea of human empathy somehow a bad thing, but srsly get some help.

[rauldc14]

Am I the only one looking forward to a tragedies countdown?

[Citizen Rules]

I'll tell you why you're wrong in the assumption that people are faking it when they say they care deeply about 9/11...empathy.

Empathy varies greatly from person to person. Some personality types have very little empathy for events that don't directly effect them or their families. Narcissistic individuals have some of the lowest empathy around. On the opposite side are the bleeding hearts and artist as Pink Floyd called them. They often have the highest amount of empathy. I can be saddened or moved by outside events to a high degree, even events in movies can touch me like that. I don't know you but what you're describing are people who have little natural empathy.

[ursaguy]

Again I think you changed what you were originally saying, but there are very few events like this where you remember where you were and everyone was watching together. I think Katrina fits that to some degree but not totally. The Challenger for sure. A lot of us remember the earthquake in SF because it became a big part of the WS. The generation before me remembers JFK assassination in this way. Maybe more tragedies should carry the weight we are talking about but to suggest that 9/11 shouldn't carry that weight because if it is a big misstep in my opinion.

To kind of prove my point, 7 people died from The Challenger. More people died in a Bed Stuy house fire last month that nobody will remember in 29 weeks, much less 29 years. I have no reason to care about one more than the other, but saying "oh that's sad I guess" is an acceptable response to one but a shameful response to the other. We can talk all day about how The Challenger had larger implications with how it altered NASA, the Cold War, and exploration, but I don't think remembering those who died are especially important relative to other incidents. I see where you're coming from about making new mistakes to compensate for old ones, which I respectfully disagree with but that's fair.

[mark f]

Don't start me on the Bay Area earthquake. My wife and I had just moved from there earlier in the year, and my team, the Dodgers, had won the previous World Series. My brother came over to watch the first game and asked me who I wanted to win (Giants or A's - both from the Bay Area and both loathed by this Dodger fan). I said neither. When the camera started shaking during the pre-game, I said maybe I'll get my wish. Then when I saw all the damage, especially the pancaked 880 freeway, I freaked and actually felt guilty for awhile.

[seanc]

To kind of prove my point, 7 people died from The Challenger. More people died in a Bed Stuy house fire last month that nobody will remember in 29 weeks, much less 29 years. I have no reason to care about one more than the other, but saying "oh that's sad I guess" is an acceptable response to one but a shameful response to the other. We can talk all day about how The Challenger had larger implications with how it altered NASA, the Cold War, and exploration, but I don't think remembering those who died are especially important relative to other incidents. I see where you're coming from about making new mistakes to compensate for old ones, which I respectfully disagree with but that's fair.

I don't think we would disagree that in a perfect world all death would be treated the exact same. Again that is a separate argument than saying people shouldn't let a tragedy effect them. Also when people experience something together talking about it can be very cathartic and help us feel better. This happens on a smaller scale with our family and friends on a pretty regular basis probably. It happens on a scale like this very rarely and people are going to talk about it. I have made my point about ten times so I am done.

[seanc]

Don't start me on the Bay Area earthquake. My wife and I had just moved from there earlier in the year, and my team, the Dodgers, had won the previous World Series. My brother came over to watch the first game and asked me who I wanted to win (Giants or A's - both from the Bay Area and both loathed by this Dodger fan). I said neither. When the camera started shaking during the pre-game, I said maybe I'll get my wish. Then when I saw all the damage, especially the pancaked 880 freeway, I freaked and actually felt guilty for awhile.

Even back then I had a feeling a Dodgers fan was responsible. I have some bets to collect.;)

[The Gunslinger45]

You wanna talk about guilt? I killed Philip Seymour Hoffman with a single post days before he actually died (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1026293#post1026293) and then I unleashed the Sexy Curse.

Now you see, THIS is why Sexy is always in the running for Most Controversial MoFo.

[Citizen Rules]

I think he would prefer that counting towards Most Funniest MoFo, what say you SC?

[rauldc14]

I still can't believe that. And then 3 days later...

[rauldc14]

That was pretty unreal too. I guess you got it.

[neiba]

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