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OK guys, keep making your Hall of Fame Threads, and if you can not resolve a problem, no matter what, please bring it here. Simply post the situation, a link to the thread that has the dispute, your views and opinions on what you all want and why, and then the committee will resolve it. It's that simple.
seanc (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=75240)
Cobpyth (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=74476)
christine (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=7545)
donniedarko (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=70627)
Thursday Next (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=9011)
Please do not bring past disputes here. Let's wait and see how things go from now on, and if a problem does arise, that has happened in the past, it will be handled.
Also, a note to the committee: Don't forget to subscribe to this thread. It will save you all a lot of time.
Thanks a lot! :)
Sexy Celebrity
06-27-15, 05:38 PM
IMPORTANT!!!!
Come in here if you're having a FIGHT in regards to a Hall of Fame! :coleman:
Cole416
06-27-15, 05:47 PM
I have a question about the hall of fames.. Why do people not nominate their favorite movies every time? There must be a rule, or I'm just dumb and would be the only person to do that.
Miss Vicky
06-27-15, 05:49 PM
I have a question about the hall of fames.. Why do people not nominate their favorite movies every time? There must be a rule, or I'm just dumb and would be the only person to do that.
A lot of people like to use them as an opportunity to introduce lesser known films to more people, so that probably has something to do with it.
Cole416
06-27-15, 05:50 PM
A lot of people like to use them as an opportunity to introduce lesser known films to more people, so that probably has something to do with it.
Oh ok that's really cool. I was just surprised that something like The Apartment, who only has like 12 or so members with it on their favorite movies would be inducted when there are many more well known ones. Thank you, MV! :)
Yep, she's right about that, because I believe that is how GBGoodies always picks her nominations. I actually nominate my favorite, and if it has been taken, like with Halloween, then I go with a movie I love, but one that I think hasn't been viewed by many. Like when I nominated Alice Sweet Alice, for the Slasher Hall of Fame. I made it in on time with The Thing. Not that anyone was actually going to nominate it. :p
cricket
06-27-15, 10:46 PM
Pete Rose-in or out?
gbgoodies
06-28-15, 01:29 AM
I have a question about the hall of fames.. Why do people not nominate their favorite movies every time? There must be a rule, or I'm just dumb and would be the only person to do that.
A lot of people like to use them as an opportunity to introduce lesser known films to more people, so that probably has something to do with it.
Yep, she's right about that, because I believe that is how GBGoodies always picks her nominations.
Yes, that's correct. I like to pick movies that I think are great movies, but they're also underseen and underrated.
I like to nominate movies that most people probably haven't seen because I think it's more fun if people watch these movies for the first time. They're always movies that I love, but I just think it's kind of boring, (and sometimes safe), to pick a movie that most people have already seen.
It doesn't always work out because sometimes people don't love these movies as much as I do, but if a few people at least like the movie, I consider that a win for me. :D
gbgoodies
06-28-15, 01:29 AM
Pete Rose-in or out?
IN! :)
Whenever I pick movies I love and think they should be seen by others, nobody agrees with me. Next time I'm gonna nominated Se7en or Pulp Fiction. I wanna win! Or actually, nominate some obscure Asian film to piss everyone off.
Oh and y'all have bad taste. :D
bluedeed
06-28-15, 01:59 PM
Whenever I pick movies I love and think they should be seen by others, nobody agrees with me. Next time I'm gonna nominated Se7en or Pulp Fiction. I wanna win! Or actually, nominate some obscure Asian film to piss everyone off.
Oh and y'all have bad taste. :D
I'm not so sure that those would win, the results can be unexpected. Pulp Fiction has a good chance but I don't think Se7en would win,. You should definitely pull a Bluedeed and nominate an "obscure" "Asian" film is where they don't even use closeups.
Whenever I pick movies I love and think they should be seen by others, nobody agrees with me. Next time I'm gonna nominated Se7en or Pulp Fiction. I wanna win! Or actually, nominate some obscure Asian film to piss everyone off.
Oh and y'all have bad taste. :D
We've never discussed movies before, so I know you're not talking to me. ;)
OK guys, Thursday Next is in. Thank you very much, young lady! :)
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:20 AM
I have a question for the committee. I want to stress that this is NOT about the Comedy HoF. It's about FUTURE HoFs.
I'm including a link to the Comedy HoF so you can read the discussion and understand why this question is being brought to the committee. The link is to my post, which is just after the nominations were announced, and approximately where the issue started.
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1351317#post1351317
My question is about whether or not there should be a rule about nominations in a genre-specific HoF being within the "spirit" of the genre. My issue is not with the nominated movie An American Werewolf in London, (which IMO is a horror movie, not a comedy movie). My issue is with the movie Dead Alive which is "extreme" horror. I don't feel that this was within the "spirit" of a Comedy HoF.
By this I mean it's first and foremost a horror movie, and it's not fair to subject non-horror fans to this type of extreme horror.
I want to be clear that I'm not asking for the movie to be removed from the current Comedy HoF. I have already dropped out of that HoF, and I'm okay with my decision. I just want to find a way to prevent this same issue from happening in future HoFs.
I shouldn't have to worry that some crazy zombie rom-com might be nominated in a Rom-Com HoF, or some grotesque horror movie be nominated in a Musical HoF simply because it has some songs in the movie. Those types of movies are not within the "spirit" of those genre-specific HoFs. I'm sure that there will be plenty of other horror HoFs that they would be eligible in at some point.
I appreciate your consideration in this matter, and I will respect your decision.
Isn't the "spirit" of a hall of fame entirely subjective? Your idea of a genre might be entirely different from another persons.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:25 AM
Isn't the "spirit" of a hall of fame entirely subjective? Your idea of a genre might be entirely different from another persons.
Maybe, but I don't think most people joined a "comedy" HoF with the expectation of watching an "extreme horror" movie.
Maybe, but I don't think most people joined a "comedy" HoF with the expectation of watching an "extreme horror" movie.
It's as much a comedy as it is a horror movie. Miss Vicky made a fantastic point earlier that I'm only spouting the gist of, but should a romantic comedy not be eligible because it's part romance? No, that'd be ridiculous and limiting. Just like not allowing a horror-comedy.
I also wouldn't personally classify it as extreme horror.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 02:30 AM
I know I'm not on the committee, but how can one even fairly define "the spirit" of something? And how is a zombie Rom Com not in the "spirit" of Rom Coms?
Poultrygeist: Night of the Chicken Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462485/?ref_=nv_sr_1), which I half-jokingly suggested to Swan to nominate in the Live Action Musicals HOF, is a musical horror comedy. Like comedies, all musicals cross genre lines. Every musical also falls into at least one other genre. This just seems like you trying to shut out movies with horror elements just because you personally don't like horror.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 02:31 AM
I also wouldn't personally classify it as extreme horror.
It isn't extreme horror.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:35 AM
It's as much a comedy as it is a horror movie. Miss Vicky made a fantastic point earlier that I'm only spouting the gist of, but should a romantic comedy not be eligible because it's part romance? No, that'd be ridiculous and limiting. Just like not allowing a horror-comedy.
I also wouldn't personally classify it as extreme horror.
From what I've read about it, it is extreme horror, but obviously I haven't watched it, and I have no intention of watching it, so I don't know for sure. What I do know is that I read something about a zombie eating dogs and people, and a lawnmower chopping up a person, and that it's gory and disgusting, so IMO, that's extreme horror.
It's certainly much worse than An American Werewolf in London, (which I did not complain about).
My understanding is that this is the type of issue that should be brought to the committee, so that's what I'm doing.
You've seen the movie 12 Angry Men. Think of me as Henry Fonda. I'm putting this to a vote by the committee, and hoping for some support. I may not get it, but I have to try.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:38 AM
I know I'm not on the committee, but how can one even fairly define "the spirit" of something? And how is a zombie Rom Com not in the "spirit" of Rom Coms?
Poultrygeist: Night of the Chicken Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462485/?ref_=nv_sr_1), which I half-jokingly suggested to Swan to nominate in the Live Action Musicals HOF, is a musical horror comedy. Like comedies, all musicals cross genre lines. Every musical also falls into at least one other genre. This just seems like you trying to shut out movies with horror elements just because you personally don't like horror.
I'm not trying to shut out all horror movies. I'm just trying to shut out movies that are so gory and disgusting that they won't allow me to participate in any future HoFs.
It's how it's portrayed, though. It's incredibly goofy and over-the-top. It's meant to be fun and humorous. When I think of extreme horror, I think of movies like A Serbian Film. This doesn't even come close to that.
Alas, I have no problem with you going to the committee, but I have the right to express my own opinion on the matter and make sure the committee hears my side.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:42 AM
It's how it's portrayed, though. It's incredibly goofy and over-the-top. It's meant to be fun and humorous. When I think of extreme horror, I think of movies like A Serbian Film. This doesn't even come close to that.
Alas, I have no problem with you going to the committee, but I have the right to express my own opinion on the matter and make sure the committee hears my side.
That's fair. I have no objection to you voicing your opinion. Unfortunately the people who agree with me don't want to voice their opinion publicly, so without some type of private poll, I may not have much support in this matter anyway.
However as it stands right now, if nothing changes, I won't be joining any future HoFs, including the Live Action Musical HoF that I was looking forward to, so if your intent was to force me out of the HoFs entirely, then you may have already won. :(
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 02:43 AM
The thing about horror is that horror just really isn't any typical genre. It's a controversial genre and it always will be. Horror films may get lame and tame at times, but sometimes they'll get brutal and nasty like the Saw movies.
Trying to force people to accept horror and watch it no matter what is not the answer. Horror is like pornography to movie genres. Horror has had a controversial history where people have actually banned it, or tried to ban it. Horror has been blamed for ills on society. It must be remembered that horror does not appeal to all and is considered gruesome and disgusting to many, many people.
GB has a point. Horror is offensive. It doesn't cater to everybody. I love and support horror, but mixing it in with these other genres and trying to force it on people is not always going to go down well. Horror is often an obscene media. It depends on what kind of horror bothers some, and what doesn't. As GB mentioned, she's not bothered by An American Werewolf in London, and I can see why. It's not as disgusting and gruesome as the blood soaked Dead Alive.
if your intent was to force me out of the HoFs entirely, then you may have already won. :(
To be clear, that wasn't my intent. You're forcing yourself out.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 02:44 AM
Alas, I have no problem with you going to the committee, but I have the right to express my own opinion on the matter and make sure the committee hears my side.
Exactly. If we're making the courtroom comparison, then we are either the plaintiffs or the defendants, depending on your POV, and each have the right to make our case.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 02:50 AM
This isn't cool. When you start making a bunch of rules about "spirit of the genre" or whatever, you are ruining the thing. There shouldn't be any "spirit" of anything. Each person gets to decide what is encompassed by the "spirit of the theme." That's the best way to do it, once again, if you disagree with it then put it at the bottom of your list. Problem solved.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:51 AM
To be clear, that wasn't my intent. You're forcing yourself out.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that I'm being forced out. I'm not dropping out of all HoFs because I want to drop out. I'm being forced out by people who insist on nominating these extreme movies where they clearly don't belong.
I didn't join a comedy HoF to watch extreme horror. I joined to watch comedies, but that's not what I got. :(
GB, why don't you petition to run a hall of fame that specifically does not include horror or foreign or any of the stuff you don't like? If being a part of the general hall of fames is really that big of an obstacle, I'm not personally opposed to a hall of fame you and similar-minded members can have an unabashed blast doing. In fact, if it will lessen tensions, I'm all for it.
It's just a thought. I don't mean to throw you guys in a corner but if you're really having such a hard time getting into the hall of fames that have things you don't like in them, you could do something like that.
A Non-Horror Non-Foreign American Cinema of the 40's. I don't know. Something like that.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 02:54 AM
It must be remembered that horror does not appeal to all and is considered gruesome and disgusting to many, many people.
There is absolutely no type of film that appeals to all.
And horror is not alone in being considered disgusting and offensive to many people. I'm sure a lot of people find something like Quills - with its sex, violence, comments against Christianity, and twisting of history - to be disgusting and offensive. GBG absolutely hated it. But so what? Watching something that offends you is a risk you take when you agree to watch films suggested by other people. This applies to all HOF, specialty or general.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 02:58 AM
GB, why don't you petition to run a hall of fame that specifically does not include horror or foreign or any of the stuff you don't like? If being a part of the general hall of fames is really that big of an obstacle, I'm not personally opposed to a hall of fame you and similar-minded members can have an unabashed blast doing. In fact, if it will lessen tensions, I'm all for it.
It's just a thought. I don't mean to throw you guys in a corner but if you're really having such a hard time getting into the hall of fames that have things you don't like in them, you could do something like that.
I shouldn't have to run my own HoF to be able to participate in a HoF. I should be able to join the genre HoFs without worrying about being forced to watch an extreme horror movie.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 02:58 AM
There is absolutely no type of film that appeals to all.
And horror is not alone in being considered disgusting and offensive to many people. I'm sure a lot of people find something like Quills - with its sex, violence, comments against Christianity, and twisting of history - to be disgusting and offensive. GBG absolutely hated it. But so what? Watching something that offends you is a risk you take when you agree to watch films suggested by other people. This applies to all HOF, specialty or general.
Well, despite whatever you say, I am calling for restrictions on these Hall of Fames.
I think it makes a lot of sense that people shouldn't have to expect blood and guts when they sign up for a "Comedy" Hall of Fame. I think it should be a rule that such obscenities shouldn't have to be mixed in. Having a controversial storyline is one thing -- but actually showing gruesome, bloody body parts splattering all over the place is in a way pornographic. That can be saved for more appropriate Hall of Fames.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 02:58 AM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that I'm being forced out. I'm not dropping out of all HoFs because I want to drop out. I'm being forced out by people who insist on nominating these extreme movies where they clearly don't belong.
I didn't join a comedy HoF to watch extreme horror. I joined to watch comedies, but that's not what I got. :(
If you would be a little more open-minded there wouldn't be a problem actually. Nobody made you leave, you did leave because you wanted to. Just because you have a problem watching one movie. It's not my fault, or anybody else's if you can't handle a movie. And nobody should be forced to nominate things in a regulated fashion to appease one person.
I shouldn't have to run my own HoF to be able to participate in a HoF. I should be able to join the genre HoFs without worrying about being forced to watch an extreme horror movie.
You run the risk of having to watch something you don't like when you join a general hall of fame though.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that I'm being forced out. I'm not dropping out of all HoFs because I want to drop out. I'm being forced out by people who insist on nominating these extreme movies where they clearly don't belong.
I didn't join a comedy HoF to watch extreme horror. I joined to watch comedies, but that's not what I got. :(
GBG you are a big part of these HOFs, more so than me who has only joined two. Still no one should need to alter their choices to appease anyone, to think JJ or Swan make their picks with you in mind is both insulting and wrong, no idea why anyone would want you out of these.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:00 AM
You run the risk of having to watch something you don't like when you join a general hall of fame though.
I don't agree.
Think about that word -- GENERAL.
Like G rated movies. General audiences.
GENERAL.
General does not mean extreme.
GB, why don't you petition to run a hall of fame that specifically does not include horror or foreign or any of the stuff you don't like? If being a part of the general hall of fames is really that big of an obstacle, I'm not personally opposed to a hall of fame you and similar-minded members can have an unabashed blast doing. In fact, if it will lessen tensions, I'm all for it.
It's just a thought. I don't mean to throw you guys in a corner but if you're really having such a hard time getting into the hall of fames that have things you don't like in them, you could do something like that.
I already gave that idea. Her worry is that it is still a Hall of Fame, so anyone could still come in with something gory.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:02 AM
There is absolutely no type of film that appeals to all.
And horror is not alone in being considered disgusting and offensive to many people. I'm sure a lot of people find something like Quills - with its sex, violence, comments against Christianity, and twisting of history - to be disgusting and offensive. GBG absolutely hated it. But so what? Watching something that offends you is a risk you take when you agree to watch films suggested by other people. This applies to all HOF, specialty or general.
Again, this issue is not about all horror movies. This is only about the ones that are extreme, (gory and disgusting). I shouldn't be forced to watch some disgusting rom-com or some disgusting musical. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that those movies wouldn't be within the "spirit" of the genre.
I didn't complain about watching movies like Quills, Killer Joe, An American Werewolf in London, etc. My complaint is about extreme movies.
I already gave that idea. Her worry is that it is still a Hall of Fame, so anyone could still come in with something gory.
Wait, what? If you don't allow anything gory, how would something gory be allowed in?
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:02 AM
She shouldn't participate if she is worried about watching a specific movie. Or she should wait until the nominations are revealed and if she thinks she can stomach the nominations, then join. She doesn't deserve special treatment.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:03 AM
Also, I think it should be remembered that Movie Forums is a PG-13 website.
Kids and teenagers under 18 years old join this forum. They might sign up for a Hall of Fame.
It doesn't make sense that a general Hall of Fame, even if they include R-rated films, should also include extreme things.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:03 AM
This is silly.
Though I did have on my list of ideas for hall of fames a "G-Rated Hall of Fame."
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:04 AM
Having a controversial storyline is one thing
So you're saying it's totally fine that I nominated a movie that includes a scene where a priest has sex with a corpse, but it's unacceptable that JJ nominated a funny movie that has lots of blood and guts in it? Because... reasons.
Yeah that makes total sense.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:04 AM
GBG you are a big part of these HOFs, more so than me who has only joined two. Still no one should need to alter their choices to appease anyone, to think JJ or Swan make their picks with you in mind is both insulting and wrong, no idea why anyone would want you out of these.
I'm not saying that they intentionally picked these movies to force me out. I'm just saying that that is the result of them picking these movies.
Wait, what? If you don't allow anything gory, how would something gory be allowed in?
I don't know, man.
I came up with the Total Comedy & Total USA . . . No, that doesn't sound right. It was something like that.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:04 AM
So you're saying it's totally fine that I nominated a movie that includes a scene where a priest has sex with a corpse, but it's unacceptable that JJ nominated a funny movie that has lots of blood and guts in it? Because... reasons.
Yeah that makes total sense.
Yes, it does. I saw Quills. It's not as disgusting as Dead Alive.
Dead Alive is in fact an NC-17 movie. Quills is R rated.
Again, this issue is not about all horror movies. This is only about the ones that are extreme, (gory and disgusting). I shouldn't be forced to watch some disgusting rom-com or some disgusting musical. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that those movies wouldn't be within the "spirit" of the genre.
I didn't complain about watching movies like Quills, Killer Joe, An American Werewolf in London, etc. My complaint is about extreme movies.
GB. The "spirit" of the genre is subjective. To me and plenty others Dead-Alive is easily within the "spirit" of a comedy.
You're asking for us to be way overly-specific for something that's meant to not limit. This is a hall of fame. It's meant to show what is voted the best comedy. Not the "best comedy, except anything that is part horror".
She shouldn't participate if she is worried about watching a specific movie. Or she should wait until the nominations are revealed and if she thinks she can stomach the nominations, then join. She doesn't deserve special treatment.
This definitely. Applies to everyone of course.
BlueLion
07-16-15, 03:07 AM
I didn't join a comedy HoF to watch extreme horror. I joined to watch comedies, but that's not what I got.
Well what comedies were you expecting? It's not like all of the nominations are 'extreme' horror; you have a Tati film, a surrealist dark comedy, a Monty Python movie, a Martin Short 90s comedy, a hang out movie, a Jim Carrey comedy, a Coen bros comedy, a foreign dark comedy, and so on.
The variety in the nominations is what makes it interesting in the first place.
I'm not saying that they intentionally picked these movies to force me out. I'm just saying that that is the result of them picking these movies.
Dunno how to respond to that. And I mean that by you should just sideline it like me and make them watch the best comedy ever made My Cousin Vinny anyway ;).
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:09 AM
Well what comedies were you expecting? It's not like all of the nominations are 'extreme' horror; you have a Tati film, a surrealist dark comedy, a Monty Python movie, a Martin Short 90s comedy, a hang out movie, a Jim Carrey comedy, a Coen bros comedy, a foreign dark comedy, and so on.
The variety in the nominations is what makes it interesting in the first place.
Those movies may not be my type of humor, but none of those movies were the reason that I dropped out. I didn't complain about any of those movies being nominated. I complained about one specific movie that IMO crossed the line into extreme horror.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:12 AM
Extreme-horror-comedy is still comedy (also not an extreme horror film, but Fyodor DosWhatevski.)
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:13 AM
Dead Alive is in fact an NC-17 movie. Quills is R rated.
There is not and never has been a rule against NC-17 movies.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:15 AM
There is not and never has been a rule against NC-17 movies.
I'm not calling for a rule against NC-17 movies. I'm saying that Dead Alive is a very graphic movie with its gore content and that it even has the NC-17 rating to prove it. It is not like the R-rated Quills, where Joaquin Phoenix simply humps a woman who's lying down and pretending to be dead.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:15 AM
There is not and never has been a rule against NC-17 movies.
And should never be.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:17 AM
Extreme-horror-comedy is still comedy (also not an extreme horror film, but Fyodor DosWhatevski.)
Yeah, well, there's funny porno movies, too. You wouldn't mix those in with the Comedy Hall of Fame, would you?
There is not and never has been a rule against NC-17 movies.
Quills is funnier and more controversial than SC.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:20 AM
I'm not calling for a rule against NC-17 movies. I'm saying that Dead Alive is a very graphic movie with its gore content and that it even has the NC-17 rating to prove it. It is not like the R-rated Quills, where Joaquin Phoenix simply humps a woman who's lying down and pretending to be dead.
You're speaking against Dead Alive because it's "offensive" to many people. A movie doesn't have to be gory or rated NC-17 to be offensive. Nor does NC-17 mean a whole lot. Showgirls is NC-17, but why? Because it shows a whole lot of boobs? Quills shows a lot more than that. Evil Dead II is rated X and it's not particularly gory.
MPAA ratings don't mean a whole hell of a lot.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:21 AM
Yeah, well, there's funny porno movies, too. You wouldn't mix those in with the Comedy Hall of Fame, would you?
I don't actually care.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:22 AM
Quills is funnier and more controversial than SC.
Quills is total crap and I'm sick of Miss Vicky rattling on and on about it as if it's something very important and controversial and SHOCKING. If there's anything else out there about the Marquis de Sade that's a movie, or better yet a book, that is way more obscene, she should go explore it, because Quills is light and fluffy, family friendly material about the Marquis de Sade if you ask me. I bet MovieGal knows a lot better sh*t than Quills.
I haven't seen Brain dead/Dead Alive, but from the few clips that have been posted it looks like a montage of clay and ketchup.
That isn't to you GBG, you've already said you don't want to watch it and that's fine been accepted without incident since you first said.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:25 AM
You're speaking against Dead Alive because it's "offensive" to many people. A movie doesn't have to be gory or rated NC-17 to be offensive. Nor does NC-17 mean a whole lot. Showgirls is NC-17, but why? Because it shows a whole lot of boobs? Quills shows a lot more than that. Evil Dead II is rated X and it's not particularly gory.
MPAA ratings don't mean a whole hell of a lot.
You're not even getting what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of the movie ratings.
Quills is total crap and I'm sick of Miss Vicky rattling on and on about it as if it's something very important and controversial and SHOCKING. If there's anything else out there about the Marquis de Sade that's a movie, or better yet a book, that is way more obscene, she should go explore it, because Quills is light and fluffy, family friendly material about the Marquis de Sade if you ask me. I bet MovieGal knows a lot better sh*t than Quills.
:D
christine
07-16-15, 03:28 AM
My opinion is that people should stick to the rule that a film nominated for a HoF should have an imdb descriptor that's in the HoF title, so a comedy HoF can include Dead Alive which is described as a comedy on imdb.
I know part of the idea of HoF's is supposed to be introducing films they've never seen to the participents, but people have their taste limits so if it was me in a horror HoF say and someone nominated a film beyond my limits, then I simply wouldn't watch that particular one. I don't think anyone, including the nominator, would object if a participant dropped out of watching one film.
I don't think people should be put off joining a HoF by one particular nomination, and GBG I definately don't think the others mean to push you out at all. I know you enjoy participating, so please don't look forward and say you're not going to join future HoFs, just ignore the offending film. That's my advice anyway :)
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:28 AM
I don't and never have found Quills shocking personally, but certainly there are other people that do.
I talk about the film a lot because I love it and because this is a movie forum where we're supposed to talk about movies. I brought it up here because it was an example of a potentially offensive film that's been nominated in a previous HOF. If you don't want to read me talking about it, put me on ignore or stay out of threads that you know I'm posting in.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:28 AM
I don't and never have found Quills shocking personally, but certainly there are other that people do.
I talk about the film a lot because I love it and because this is a movie forum where we're supposed to talk about movies. I brought it up here because it was an example a potentially offenisve film that's been nominated in a previous HOF. If you don't want to read me talking about it, put me on ignore or stay out of threads that you know I'm posting in.
That's fine. I don't mind that you love Quills. I'm not against your love for it.
christine
07-16-15, 03:30 AM
Plus I don't think NC-17 (or 18 in the UK) ratings should be taken into account when nominating films. That's a censorship we should avoid.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:31 AM
I don't think anyone, including the nominator, would object if a participant dropped out of watching one film.
The rules have always been that participants have to watch each nominated film, unless they absolutely are unable to get a hold of a copy to watch and have made every reasonable effort to do so.
It's not fair to the nominator for someone to disregard their nominated movie just because they think they won't like it.
I don't and never have found Quills shocking personally, but certainly there are other people that do.
I talk about the film a lot because I love it and because this is a movie forum where we're supposed to talk about movies. I brought it up here because it was an example a potentially offenisve film that's been nominated in a previous HOF. If you don't want to read me talking about it, put me on ignore or stay out of threads that you know I'm posting in.
Not joking now. Seriously read the 5th HOF and you'll see exactly what she thinks of it, don't think she calls it shocking once.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:32 AM
My opinion is that people should stick to the rule that a film nominated for a HoF should have an imdb descriptor that's in the HoF title, so a comedy HoF can include Dead Alive which is described as a comedy on imdb.
I know part of the idea of HoF's is supposed to be introducing films they've never seen to the participents, but people have their taste limits so if it was me in a horror HoF say and someone nominated a film beyond my limits, then I simply wouldn't watch that particular one. I don't think anyone, including the nominator, would object if a participant dropped out of watching one film.
I don't think people should be put off joining a HoF by one particular nomination, and GBG I definately don't think the others mean to push you out at all. I know you enjoy participating, so please don't look forward and say you're not going to join future HoFs, just ignore the offending film. That's my advice anyway :)
The problem with this suggestion is that the rules clearly state that everyone has to watch all the nominated movies. If the rules are changed to allow me to skip the extreme movies, then that would be okay with me.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:36 AM
I just think every nomination should be taken in with an open-mind. Dismissing ANY member's nomination is unfair.
The problem with this suggestion is that the rules clearly state that everyone has to watch all the nominated movies. If the rules are changed to allow me to skip the extreme movies, then that would be okay with me.
How would that work? 9 out of 10 watch camos movie, 6 decided to watch Swans?
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:38 AM
I just think every nomination should be taken in with an open-mind. Dismissing ANY member's nomination is unfair.
Then listening to others' concerns about those nominations should also be taken in with an open mind, which I don't think you guys really are doing.
BlueLion
07-16-15, 03:40 AM
I would very much look forward to an extreme/controversial/avant-garde movie HoF. That would be awesome.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:40 AM
How would that work? 9 out of 10 watch camos movie, 6 decided to watch Swans?
I don't think it would work. That's why I never even considered staying in the Comedy HoF once I saw that nomination.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:41 AM
Then listening to others' concerns about those nominations should also be taken in with an open mind, which I don't think you guys really are doing.
Nobody but the person nominating should be able to decide what that person gets to nominate.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:41 AM
Then listening to others' concerns about those nominations should also be taken in with an open mind, which I don't think you guys really are doing.
I agree with this. They want what they want, with no consideration for the feelings of others.
That's why I brought this to the committee, but now I'm starting to regret that decision. :(
Then listening to others' concerns about those nominations should also be taken in with an open mind, which I don't think you guys really are doing.
I know for me personally, I just want to keep the hall of fames unlimited within the bounds of their title/genre. A comedy hall of fame should encompass all comedies.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:44 AM
I don't think it would work. That's why I never even considered staying in the Comedy HoF once I saw that nomination.
But you said you would be okay with a rule that would allow you to skip certain nominations. It doesn't work. Then you get some nominated movies receiving the full number of votes and others receiving only some votes and some people watching all of the movies and others picking and choosing what they watch. It defeats the purpose of the HOF process.
When you nominate a movie for a HOF, you do so with the expectation that all of the other participants will watch it. You cannot expect others to watch your nomination if you aren't willing to do the same for everyone else's.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:45 AM
I know for me personally, I just want to keep the hall of fames unlimited within the bounds of their title/genre. A comedy hall of fame should encompass all comedies.
Like GB said, you want what you want.
Pussy Galore
07-16-15, 03:45 AM
gbg, what I don't understand is why you absolutely don't want to watch the film. To be honest with you I also dislike horror movies and even further then that I dislike Peter Jackson so I do not look forward to the film, but I will still watch, even if I have a negative a priori the worst that can happen is that I dislike the film, I'm sure there will be movies that I will like so it will compensate (and I might like this film even if it doesn't seem like my type of film).
I think the point of a HOF is that the members nominate what they think is worthy of being nominated and that the other members deliberate about the said nominations. If for jiraffejustin Braindead is a worthy contender for comedy then I'll watch the film and if I dislike it I'll explain why and we'll likely have a discussion about it.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:45 AM
I agree with this. They want what they want, with no consideration for the feelings of others.
That's why I brought this to the committee, but now I'm starting to regret that decision. :(
And how much consideration are you taking of how the rest of us feel?
I want to ask a question, and I want an honest opinion from both sides, especially GBG, Swan, Justin, etc . . . <~ Notice how I only named you guys!?! :p
OK, here's this Comedy Hall of Fame. We all join, and here is this gory as hell movie, that we all know GBG will hate. (So will I, more than likely! shhhhh!) She watches every last movie, except that movie. It would be at the end of her list, anyways, so should it matter?
Anyone? Who would this bother? GBG, would you join this thread, if you could skip the one and only movie you knew you couldn't stomach?
Like GB said, you want what you want.
Right. It's not like GB is trying to force limitations on the HoF's just because she doesn't like a genre. :rolleyes:
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:48 AM
I want to ask a question, and I want an honest opinion from both sides, especially GBG, Swan, Justin, etc . . . <~ Notice how I only named you guys!?! :p
I guess she doesn't want me to answer.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:49 AM
Right. It's not like GB is trying to force limitations on the HoF's just because she doesn't like a genre. :rolleyes:
At least she's trying to force those limitations with good reasons, many of which I stated for her.
I agree with this. They want what they want, with no consideration for the feelings of others.
That's why I brought this to the committee, but now I'm starting to regret that decision. :(
Not sure what feelings have to do with this? I'm honestly asking I'm baffled? JJ nominated a comedy in a comedy HOF, Comedy is a massive genre with many sub-genres, Horror is one JJ is a Horror fan not a shocker that he picked one at all. The moment sub-genres get banned for peoples feelings is the moment i never join one of these again.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:50 AM
But you said you would be okay with a rule that would allow you to skip certain nominations. It doesn't work. Then you get some nominated movies receiving the full number of votes and others receiving only some votes and some people watching all of the movies and others picking and choosing what they watch. It defeats the purpose of the HOF process.
When you nominate a movie for a HOF, you do so with the expectation that all of the other participants will watch it. You cannot expect others to watch your nomination if you aren't willing to do the same for everyone else's.
I said that I would be okay with a rule that would allow me to skip the extreme nominations. I didn't say that I thought it would work. :shrug:
I want to ask a question, and I want an honest opinion from both sides, especially GBG, Swan, Justin, etc . . . <~ Notice how I only named you guys!?! :p
OK, here's this Comedy Hall of Fame. We all join, and here is this gory as hell movie, that we all know GBG will hate. (So will I, more than likely! shhhhh!) She watches every last movie, except that movie. It would be at the end of her list, anyways, so should it matter?
Anyone? Who would this bother? GBG, would you join this thread, if you could skip the one and only movie you knew you couldn't stomach?
How can that work though? I mean, if we could make it so that every film got the same number of votes in a manner that was entirely fair, I would be game, but I just don't see how that's possible without every participant sending in a list with every film ranked, including Braindead.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:52 AM
I said that I would be okay with a rule that would allow me to skip the extreme nominations. I didn't say that I thought it would work. :shrug:
Every movie theater has a place where people in wheelchairs can sit and watch the movie. Every Hall of Fame could have a rule where people who have certain conditions can still join them.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:52 AM
I want to ask a question, and I want an honest opinion from both sides, especially GBG, Swan, Justin, etc . . . <~ Notice how I only named you guys!?! :p
Yeah, well I'm going to respond anyway.
OK, here's this Comedy Hall of Fame. We all join, and here is this gory as hell movie, that we all know GBG will hate. (So will I, more than likely! shhhhh!) She watches every last movie, except that movie. It would be at the end of her list, anyways, so should it matter?
Yes, it should matter. She's judging a film without even seeing it. Doing that when you're watching movies for your own personal enjoyment is one thing. Doing it when you're supposed to be participating in a collaborative process is another. Reading an IMDb description of it does not really tell you what's in it.
Anyone? Who would this bother?
It would bother me because it's not truthful. If she actually watches the film and genuinely hates it, then I'm perfectly fine with her rating it last on her ballot. Besides that, letting her choose not to watch this one movie but still get to nominate and vote then sets a precedent for other people to choose not to watch nominated movies for whatever reason they want.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:53 AM
I want to ask a question, and I want an honest opinion from both sides, especially GBG, Swan, Justin, etc . . . <~ Notice how I only named you guys!?! :p
OK, here's this Comedy Hall of Fame. We all join, and here is this gory as hell movie, that we all know GBG will hate. (So will I, more than likely! shhhhh!) She watches every last movie, except that movie. It would be at the end of her list, anyways, so should it matter?
Anyone? Who would this bother? GBG, would you join this thread, if you could skip the one and only movie you knew you couldn't stomach?
I think it will set a bad precedent. I wouldn't be absolutely opposed to somebody trying to give the movie a fair shake, but turning it off early though.It would be better than not watching it all. If she does this, then the next time somebody could say "Well I hate Stanley Kubrick movies, I don't think I should have to watch Barry Lyndon. Justin knows I hate Stanley Kubrick, but he nominated it anyway. He is trying to push me out of the hall of fame by nominating Barry Lyndon."
Slippery slope. Preferential treatment for one member doesn't seem like the way to go.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:53 AM
gbg, what I don't understand is why you absolutely don't want to watch the film. To be honest with you I also dislike horror movies and even further then that I dislike Peter Jackson so I do not look forward to the film, but I will still watch, even if I have a negative a priori the worst that can happen is that I dislike the film, I'm sure there will be movies that I will like so it will compensate (and I might like this film even if it doesn't seem like my type of film).
I think the point of a HOF is that the members nominate what they think is worthy of being nominated and that the other members deliberate about the said nominations. If for jiraffejustin Braindead is a worthy contender for comedy then I'll watch the film and if I dislike it I'll explain why and we'll likely have a discussion about it.
This isn't just about a movie that I think I won't like. This is about an extreme movie with a zombie eating dogs and people, and a lawnmower chopping people up, etc. This is a movie that will make me sick if I watch it. :sick:
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:55 AM
And how much consideration are you taking of how the rest of us feel?
I thought I was being very considerate. I dropped out of the Comedy HoF rather than asking that the movie be removed.
I'm just trying to find a way to avoid this situation in the future.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 03:56 AM
I thought I was being very considerate. I dropped out of the Comedy HoF rather than asking that the movie be removed.
I'm just trying to find a way to avoid this situation in the future.
You handled it the way it should always be handled if this comes up. If you are the one with a problem, it shouldn't be everybody's problem.
Pussy Galore
07-16-15, 03:57 AM
Well, I don't think you would refuse to watch movies like Apocalypse Now that has some very hard stuff to watch (I have in mind a certain scene involving a boat with vietnamese civilians, those who have seen the film will know what I'm talking about for sure). Which, I think, is way harsher then any horror movie.
But if it really makes you feel unconfortable I wouldn't know what to say other then don't watch it haha.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 03:57 AM
I'm just trying to find a way to avoid this situation in the future.
What you're trying to do is limit other people's participation because of your own personal preferences. That is not considerate.
I'm just trying to find a way to avoid this situation in the future.
I don't think limiting what is allowed in a hall of fame is the right way to go about it though.
Well, I don't think you would refuse to watch movies like Apocalypse Now that has some very hard stuff to watch (I have in mind a certain scene involving a boat with vietnamese civilians, those who have seen the film will know what I'm talking about for sure). Which, I think, is way harsher then any horror movie.
Not to mention it contains genuine animal slaughter.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 03:59 AM
I want to ask a question, and I want an honest opinion from both sides, especially GBG, Swan, Justin, etc . . . <~ Notice how I only named you guys!?! :p
OK, here's this Comedy Hall of Fame. We all join, and here is this gory as hell movie, that we all know GBG will hate. (So will I, more than likely! shhhhh!) She watches every last movie, except that movie. It would be at the end of her list, anyways, so should it matter?
Anyone? Who would this bother? GBG, would you join this thread, if you could skip the one and only movie you knew you couldn't stomach?
I'm not asking for the rules to be changed to allow me to stay in the HoF and skip that movie. I understand that it would be unfair for me to skip a movie and just automatically put it at the bottom of my list.
I don't know if there even is a solution to this, (other than if I completely drop out of all HoFs), but I brought this issue to the committee to try to find a fair solution.
Frightened Inmate No. 2
07-16-15, 03:59 AM
the hall of fames shouldn't have to cater to just one member who doesn't think they can handle a certain movie. maybe if a majority of the members have a problem with it, then it could be thrown out, but we can't be forced to alter our picks to accommodate for the sensitivities of every member. gb's only options are either get over it and watch the silly movie, or drop out. you're perfectly allowed to give it a bad review and talk about how offensive it was to you if you decide to watch it, but it's not coming out of the tournament.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 03:59 AM
It would bother me because it's not truthful. If she actually watches the film and genuinely hates it, then I'm perfectly fine with her rating it last on her ballot. Besides that, letting her choose not to watch this one movie but still get to nominate and vote then sets a precedent for other people to choose not to watch nominated movies for whatever reason they want.
So if you had a grandmother who wanted to join the Comedy Hall of Fame, and she was willing to watch everything EXCEPT the gruesome, bloody, splattery horror movies -- and you didn't realize this until Dead Alive appeared and she spoke her feelings... would you still be saying,
"GRANDMA, SHUT THE HELL UP AND WATCH THAT DISGUSTING FILM! IF YOU DON'T WATCH THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO QUIT IT COMPLETELY BECAUSE IN THESE THINGS, YOU ARE FORCED TO WATCH EVERY THING - AND I MEAN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!"
And don't say, "My grandmother would watch it anyway." This isn't your real grandmother. This is your grandmother in the fictional world of this post. But you still have to pretend she's your real grandmother.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:02 AM
My grandmothers are dead, but yes, I would tell my hypothetical grandmother that she needs to watch ALL of the nominated movies or drop out and have her own nomination be disqualified.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:03 AM
So if you had a grandmother who wanted to join the Comedy Hall of Fame, and she was willing to watch everything EXCEPT the gruesome, bloody, splattery horror movies -- and you didn't realize this until Dead Alive appeared and she spoke her feelings... would you still be saying,
"GRANDMA, SHUT THE HELL UP AND WATCH THAT DISGUSTING FILM! IF YOU DON'T WATCH THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO QUIT IT COMPLETELY BECAUSE IN THESE THINGS, YOU ARE FORCED TO WATCH EVERY THING - AND I MEAN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!"
And don't say, "My grandmother would watch it anyway." This isn't your real grandmother. This is your grandmother in the fictional world of this post. But you still have to pretend she's your real grandmother.
I know this isn't about my grandmother, but I doubt my grandmother would even know how to log on to this damn site.
"GRANDMA, SHUT THE HELL UP AND WATCH THAT DISGUSTING FILM! IF YOU DON'T WATCH THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO QUIT IT COMPLETELY BECAUSE IN THESE THINGS, YOU ARE FORCED TO WATCH EVERY THING - AND I MEAN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!"
I'm pretty sure none of this was said to gb.
Pussy Galore
07-16-15, 04:03 AM
But what is the problem with watching a horror movie, that is what I don't get. Maybe I woud understand for someone religious that doesn't want to see evil, but other then that I don't see.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:04 AM
I have a hypothetical question:
What if somebody objected to watching Brokeback Mountain because homosexuality offended them? How would that be handled?
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:05 AM
Well, I don't think you would refuse to watch movies like Apocalypse Now that has some very hard stuff to watch (I have in mind a certain scene involving a boat with vietnamese civilians, those who have seen the film will know what I'm talking about for sure). Which, I think, is way harsher then any horror movie.
But if it really makes you feel unconfortable I wouldn't know what to say other then don't watch it haha.
I've seen Apocalypse Now, (but not recently so I don't really remember any specific scenes). If I remember correctly, it was very graphic.
My Grandmothers are dead too. All I'd have to say is damn Gran or Nana da fudge you doing on the internet.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:06 AM
But what is the problem with watching a horror movie, that is what I don't get. Maybe I woud understand for someone religious that doesn't want to see evil, but other then that I don't see.
Because horror films are not for everybody. As I said in an earlier post, they are a controversial kind of movie genre. Sure, they've earned a lot of respect and acceptance over the years, but I still think it's a controversial genre.
WHY are you guys so obsessed with making everyone watch horror films?
Pussy Galore
07-16-15, 04:06 AM
I have a hypothetical question:
What if somebody objected to watching Brokeback Mountain because homosexuality offended them? How would that be handled?
That is a good question I think, if someone religious thinks homosexuality is a sin then should we inflict that on them haha. But other then that I don't see.
Frightened Inmate No. 2
07-16-15, 04:07 AM
WHY are you guys so obsessed with making everyone watch horror films?
nobody's making her watch anything
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:07 AM
My Grandmothers are dead too. All I'd have to say is damn Gran or Nana da fudge you doing on the internet.
Because Facebook has been online for almost a decade. Your grandmothers are out there... and they're watching you. They see your internet selves.......... they know your online personas.
Pussy Galore
07-16-15, 04:07 AM
Because horror films are not for everybody. As I said in an earlier post, they are a controversial kind of movie genre. Sure, they've earned a lot of respect and acceptance over the years, but I still think it's a controversial genre.
WHY are you guys so obsessed with making everyone watch horror films?
Even if they are not for everybody, what I'm questionning is what consequence there is of watching a movie you think you won't like.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:08 AM
But what is the problem with watching a horror movie, that is what I don't get. Maybe I woud understand for someone religious that doesn't want to see evil, but other then that I don't see.
I don't know how to explain it, but that type of blood and guts gore makes me sick. :sick:
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:08 AM
WHY are you guys so obsessed with making everyone watch horror films?
We're not "obsessed with making everyone watch horror films," we're adamant about preserving our right to nominate any film that we feel qualifies for whatever HOF we choose to participate in.
Why are you so obsessed with what is considered acceptable in an activity that you never even participate in?
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:08 AM
nobody's making her watch anything
Everyone's acting so shocked and surprised that someone doesn't want to watch something, such as this horror movie. I think you guys just really want to FORCE her to watch it. You guys would get enjoyment out of torturing her and making her watch something she really doesn't wanna watch.
And why is gb always trying to make me watch those damn Frank Capra movies? :D
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:09 AM
I don't know how to explain it, but that type of blood and guts gore makes me sick. :sick:
But you can handle watching a live animal actually getting slaughtered on camera?
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:09 AM
Why are you so obsessed with what is considered acceptable in an activity that you never even participate in?
Beats the Hell out of me! Call my therapist.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:10 AM
Everyone's acting so shocked and surprised that someone doesn't want to watch something, such as this horror movie. I think you guys just really want to FORCE her to watch it. You guys would get enjoyment out of torturing her and making her watch something she really doesn't wanna watch.
Yep, that's it. We got together before hand and decided I was the one that was going to nominate it, then we were all going to gang up on her and make her watch a fantastic movie.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:10 AM
I don't know how to explain it, but that type of blood and guts gore makes me sick. :sick:
And that's perfectly understandable.
Because Facebook has been online for almost a decade. Your grandmothers are out there... and they're watching you. They see your internet selves.......... they know your online personas.
I don't have Facebook.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:11 AM
I have a hypothetical question:
What if somebody objected to watching Brokeback Mountain because homosexuality offended them? How would that be handled?
I WOULD NOT CARE.
Raul was nervous about watching it. I noted that.
Yeah but Raul still watched it.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:12 AM
But you can handle watching a live animal actually getting slaughtered on camera?
No, I can't handle watching something like that. I don't remember seeing anything like that, but it's been a long time since I saw that movie. I was probably covering my eyes during that scene, or maybe I stepped out of the room at just the right time. :shrug:
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:14 AM
And why is gb always trying to make me watch those damn Frank Capra movies? :D
Would you like me to drop out of the 7th HoF too so you won't have to watch my nomination? :shrug:
Frightened Inmate No. 2
07-16-15, 04:14 AM
this thread gets more insufferable with every page. we're not changing the rules of the hall of fame, the movie is staying in, gb can watch it or leave. the end.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:15 AM
Raul was nervous about watching it. I noted that.
But he did watch it.
He didn't quit the HOF or try to get the rules changed for future HOF to allow him to skip movies with homosexuality or to exclude them altogether from most HOFs and have a Gay Movie HOF to try to appease people who are into that sort of thing.
And why is gb always trying to make me watch those damn Frank Capra movies? :D
This :D.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:16 AM
this thread gets more insufferable with every page. we're not changing the rules of the hall of fame, the movie is staying in, gb can watch it or leave. the end.
I already dropped out of the Comedy HoF. This isn't about that HoF. This is about future HoFs.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:16 AM
this thread gets more insufferable with every page. we're not changing the rules of the hall of fame, the movie is staying in, gb can watch it or leave. the end.
Oh, all you do is go around crying, "This thread sucks. This thread is horrible. Wah wah wah I can't believe what these people are saying. I hate this thread!"
Everywhere you pop up, you complain about what you're reading.
Frightened Inmate No. 2
07-16-15, 04:17 AM
Oh, all you do is go around crying, "This thread sucks. This thread is horrible. Wah wah wah I can't believe what these people are saying. I hate this thread!"
Everywhere you pop up, you complain about what you're reading.
maybe you should stop creating so many terrible threads
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:17 AM
Everywhere you pop up, you complain about what you're reading.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/206636171_0021c26a2e_m.jpg
Would you like me to drop out of the 7th HoF too so you won't have to watch my nomination? :shrug:
Yes drop out that's what he meant. Those smilies so close together he meant this :mad:
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:26 AM
But he did watch it.
He didn't quit the HOF or try to get the rules changed for future HOF to allow him to skip movies with homosexuality or to exclude them altogether from most HOFs and have a Gay Movie HOF to try to appease people who are into that sort of thing.
I think gay movies and gory movies are two very different things.
No, I would not be cool with gay movies getting removed. We do not live in that kind of society anymore. I would not be against him expressing a desire to have gay movies removed, though.
But gay movies and gory movies are two different things. If someone dropped out of a Hall of Fame because of a gay movie -- like maybe they were religious and refused to watch two men kiss -- I would absolutely think, well, that's their problem. HOWEVER -- if people decided to drop the movie so that person could participate anyway... that wouldn't bother me. Especially if I wasn't even in that Hall of Fame. If I was, then it would all depend on the circumstances. I would have to have a say in whether I felt the movie should be dropped, but I could believe I could understand certain situations and approve of a drop. I could also understand certain situations where I don't. THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF THING. For example, I wouldn't be here fighting with GB if she was complaining about An American Werewolf in London. I feel that Dead Alive and An American Werewolf in London are totally two different kinds of horror films. I could expect GB to tolerate Werewolf. I can understand why she can't tolerate Dead Alive.
So, like, if there was a gay movie with one scene of two guys having a little kiss, that's not a strong reason to drop the movie. If it was a gay movie with EXPLICIT GAY SEX SCENES... and someone like Raul refused to watch it.... I would totally understand!
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5223/5649454015_bfaa82c3b0.jpg
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:32 AM
I think gay movies and gory movies are two very different things.
I don't. They're both types of movies that some people will find objectionable, offensive, and disgusting.
And, again, allowing someone to skip a movie because of their own personal preferences while still being able to vote and having their own nomination remain in the running sets a very bad precedent for others to do the same for their own reasons.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:37 AM
I don't. They're both types of movies that some people will find objectionable, offensive, and disgusting.
They are in that way, yes. But still -- movies simply showing gay people? Yeah, some bigoted people are gonna complain. But stopping those movies from being nominated is like trying to stop movies about black people being nominated. It's not fair.
HOWEVER -- how can you compare black or gay people to blood and guts? It does not compute. They're two very different things.
And, again, allowing someone to skip a movie because of their own personal preferences while still being able to vote and having their own nomination remain in the running sets a very bad precedent for others to do the same for their own reasons.
Well, I was never trying to ask for people to be allowed to skip movies. I did in this case just to settle something for GB, since she probably/most likely would have ranked Dead Alive at the very bottom of her list anyways. But in general, I am not at all calling for these Hall of Fames to keep people from watching all of the movies. I do understand that very general idea about Hall of Fames.
I was more asking that Dead Alive be changed to a different film. Something that GB will actually watch.
Is it just me or are Hall of Fames slowly starting to ruin the fun?
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:39 AM
I was more asking that Dead Alive be changed to a different film. Something that GB will actually watch.
So everybody should check with gbg before nominating something?
Gay - Gory. Just a few letters seperate them, must mean the same thing or close to it I think.
So everybody should check with gbg before nominating something?
Yes.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:41 AM
So everybody should check with gbg before nominating something?
I'm arguing for the forum to be more considerate of its members, especially esteemed, respected members. If GB was someone nobody really knew... she just popped in here, she had just joined, that kind of thing... I could completely understand not listening to her concerns.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:41 AM
Is it just me or are Hall of Fames slowly starting to ruin the fun?
It's not just you, but I don't think the Hall of Fames should be blamed.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:42 AM
I was more asking that Dead Alive be changed to a different film. Something that GB will actually watch.
Again, no. Forcing one member to change their otherwise qualified nomination because another member doesn't want to watch it sets the same bad precedent for future HOF. The rules were spelled out very clearly. This isn't GBG's first HOF, either. She knew in advance how these things work.
You don't get to dictate what other people nominate. You accept the nominations, watch them all, and rank them. You can use any criteria you want in determining your rankings, but you don't get to tell other people what they can and cannot nominate as long as it fits the theme of the HOF.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:42 AM
I'm settling this right now. You win.
I'm done with all current and future HoFs, and you guys can decide which of you will finish running the Animated Musicals HoF.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:43 AM
Again, no. Forcing one member to change their otherwise qualified nomination because another member doesn't want to watch it sets the same bad precedent for future HOF. The rules were spelled out very clearly. This isn't GBG's first HOF, either. She knew in advance how these things work.
You don't get to dictate what other people nominate. You accept the nominations, watch them all, and rank them. You can use any criteria you want in determining your rankings, but you don't get to tell other people what they can and cannot nominate as long as it fits the theme of the HOF.
It's not as simple as that. If it was, we wouldn't be here arguing for hours/days.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:44 AM
Is it just me or are Hall of Fames slowly starting to ruin the fun?
HOFs aren't ruining the fun. People trying to dictate and restrict what other people can nominate are ruining the fun.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:45 AM
Ugh. I just had one of those annoying errors stop the site.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:45 AM
It's not as simple as that. If it was, we wouldn't be here arguing for hours/days.
It is as simple as that. And the arguing for hours/days was mostly instigated by you - and you're not even a participant in the HOF.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:46 AM
It is as simple as that. And the arguing for hours/days was mostly instigated by you - and you're not even a participant in the HOF.
That doesn't matter. I could be.
but people have their taste limits so if it was me in a horror HoF say and someone nominated a film beyond my limits, then I simply wouldn't watch that particular one. I don't think anyone, including the nominator, would object if a participant dropped out of watching one film.
Thank you, Christine. You actually posted this before my question. I completely agree. I could get it if there were a chance in hell the person would change their mind. When it comes to this situation, though . . . She's not changing her opinion of that movie!
I guess she doesn't want me to answer.
No, that was what the etc dots were for. Anyone else who wanted to say something. As far as me naming each of them, it was a joke, because of past situations.
I'll assume you'd be for her getting to skip the movie. No?
How can that work though? I mean, if we could make it so that every film got the same number of votes in a manner that was entirely fair, I would be game, but I just don't see how that's possible without every participant sending in a list with every film ranked, including Braindead.
She would list all ten. That's what I said. Look, when I watched Hatchet, I knew it was staying at the bottom of my list, and it did. Do you really believe that if she watches it, she may like it, or even put it above any other film in this list?
I'm not asking for the rules to be changed to allow me to stay in the HoF and skip that movie. I understand that it would be unfair for me to skip a movie and just automatically put it at the bottom of my list.
I know you're not asking that. Skipping a movie that you obviously will put at the bottom of your list, is a lot more fair, than eliminating numerous movie possibilities from all future Hall of Fame threads. <~ I don't even like gore.
Christine had the same idea, without even knowing what I said, so there you go. It's something to consider.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:46 AM
Gay - Gory. Just a few letters seperate them, must mean the same thing or close to it I think.
flip the r to face the other way, combine it with the o. It turns into an a.
Is it just me or are Hall of Fames slowly starting to ruin the fun?
It's not just you, but I don't think the Hall of Fames should be blamed.
I'm blaming an excess of fuss surrounding it.
About GBG, she's just asking for less gore, that's pretty much it. Save the real
fun she refuses to enjoy for the upcoming second HoF. :D
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:49 AM
I'll assume you'd be for her getting to skip the movie. No?
If they would let that happen just once -- I would be cool with it.
I know "just once" could always turn into a second time, a third time, etc. -- but they could put their foot down the next time. They could put their foot down now, but yes, I am cool with it, if she could skip the movie and still join.
flip the r to face the other way, combine it with the o. It turns into an a.
You are blowing my mind J :eek:
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:50 AM
I want to skip all the movies except my own. So full points to my movie, other movies can f*ck off.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:51 AM
I know "just once" could always turn into a second time, a third time, etc. -- but they could put their foot down the next time.
No, we couldn't. Because when the issue comes up again, the next person will say "But you let GBGoodies do it. You have to treat people equally. That's not fair." And they would be right.
Again, it sets a dangerous precedent.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:51 AM
Let's just give up, GB. Let them do their own silly little things. It isn't important.
Let's just give up, GB. Let them do their own silly little things. It isn't important.
No one said it was. Also no one invited you.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:53 AM
Let's just give up, GB. Let them do their own silly little things. It isn't important.
I already gave up, but nobody noticed (or maybe just nobody cared). :shrug:
I'm settling this right now. You win.
I'm done with all current and future HoFs, and you guys can decide which of you will finish running the Animated Musicals HoF.
I want to skip all the movies except my own. So full points to my movie, other movies can f*ck off.
Yes anyone that is part of the mofo watch list is well aware of your selfish attitude.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:53 AM
No one said it was. Also no one invited you.
There's no invitations.
The rules have always been that participants have to watch each nominated film, unless they absolutely are unable to get a hold of a copy to watch and have made every reasonable effort to do so.
It's not fair to the nominator for someone to disregard their nominated movie just because they think they won't like it.
What happens if they can't get hold of one film? Do they have to leave the Hall of Fame? Do they get to stay in, and not worry about voting on it then?
There are times in life when we know things. If she knows she despises gore, then she's not going to like it.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:55 AM
Yes anyone that is part of the mofo watch list is well aware of your selfish attitude.
Oooh. I was making a joke about a precedent being set. I can't tell if you are making a joke or not. If not, whatever. I am trying to make this hall of fame an environment based on including everyone as long as everyone is willing to include everything. Open minds and such. If you really think I am selfish, that's fine with me, but I don't believe it's very accurate.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:56 AM
I already gave up, but nobody noticed (or maybe just nobody cared). :shrug:
I noticed what you said. And if you're serious and none of the other participants has any objections, I will take over running the Animated Musicals HOF and Anastasia will be subsequently disqualified.
But you saying that you quit this and all HOFs doesn't actually settle the matter.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:57 AM
What happens if they can't get hold of one film? Do they have to leave the Hall of Fame? Do they get to stay in, and not worry about voting on it then?
That subject has already been covered.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:58 AM
Oooh. I was making a joke about a precedent being set. I can't tell if you are making a joke or not. If not, whatever. I am trying to make this hall of fame an environment based on including everyone as long as everyone is willing to include everything. Open minds and such. If you really think I am selfish, that's fine with me, but I don't believe it's very accurate.
You guys are being selfish. I'm sick of hearing how we're not being cool by being against that movie. How we're the ones who don't have "an open mind." If I had joined this Hall of Fame and GB hadn't, I wouldn't be complaining about Dead Alive at all. But since she is, I can see a reason for why she did so, so I stuck up for her.
gbgoodies
07-16-15, 04:58 AM
I noticed what you said. And if you're serious and none of the other participants has any objections, I will take over running the Animated Musicals HOF and Anastasia will be subsequently disqualified.
Yes, I'm serious.
But you saying that you quit this and all HOFs doesn't actually settle the matter.
It does for me.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 04:58 AM
This is a community of people. I thought MoFo was supposed to be like "a family." You're telling grandma to f**k off.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 04:59 AM
You guys are being selfish. I'm sick of hearing how we're not being cool by being against that movie. How we're the ones who don't have "an open mind." If I had joined this Hall of Fame and GB hadn't, I wouldn't be complaining about Dead Alive at all. But since she is, I can see a reason for why she did so, so I stuck up for her.
That's fine. I commend you for standing up for something you believe is right. I happen to think what I was standing up for is right, which is why I did it. I will continue to do so, whether that makes me appear selfish or not.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 04:59 AM
This is a community of people. I thought MoFo was supposed to be like "a family." You're telling grandma to f**k off.
Families argue. :shrug:
That subject has already been covered.
Obviously one person chasing down posts from numerous people, all jacked up, is a bit impossible.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:00 AM
I'm not mad at anybody here. I was just agreeing with GB and arguing for why she's got a good case.
Oooh. I was making a joke about a precedent being set. I can't tell if you are making a joke or not. If not, whatever. I am trying to make this hall of fame an environment based on including everyone as long as everyone is willing to include everything. Open minds and such. If you really think I am selfish, that's fine with me, but I don't believe it's very accurate.
Tell me if this is accurate.
You submitted a film to the mofo watch list and proceeded to not watch anyone else's submissions
That's fine. I commend you for standing up for something you believe is right. I happen to think what I was standing up for is right, which is why I did it. I will continue to do so, whether that makes me appear selfish or not.
There is no way in a million years you're the selfish one, JJ. Don't worry.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:02 AM
Well, I might be mad at some people later. I can't guarantee eternal happiness. But I am definitely not DEEPLY mad.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 05:03 AM
Tell me if this is accurate.
You submitted a film to the mofo watch list and proceeded to not watch anyone else's submissions
yes this is accurate. I did grab Throne of Blood with the intention of watching. I haven't gotten around to it yet. I also talked to MovieGal about this. I apologized to her for not having watched anything yet. Maybe this aspect is selfish. What I argued for during that time was not.
Don't leave the Animated Musicals HOF. If you don't want to run it I'm fine with MV running it but you've already watched all of the nominees. Seriously do you want to have watched South Park for nothing GBG :p.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 05:04 AM
Obviously one person chasing down posts from numerous people, all jacked up, is a bit impossible.
As a moderator and the person who created this thread, you ought to be reading all of the posts in it.
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1352277#post1352277
yes this is accurate. I did grab Throne of Blood with the intention of watching. I haven't gotten around to it yet. I also talked to MovieGal about this. I apologized to her for not having watched anything yet. Maybe this aspect is selfish. What I argued for during that time was not.
Yes, you claim you were joking with "I want to skip all the movies except my own. So full points to my movie, other movies can f*ck off." but to me it is your real personality.
Whatever, you're not alone. I don't like most people on this forum anymore after the watch list experience.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:06 AM
Yes, you claim you were joking with "I want to skip all the movies except my own. So full points to my movie, other movies can f*ck off." but to me it is your real personality.
Whatever, you're not alone. I don't like most people on this forum anymore after the watch list experience.
I didn't see whatever that was. I hope you don't hate me.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 05:07 AM
Yes, you claim you were joking with "I want to skip all the movies except my own. So full points to my movie, other movies can f*ck off." but to me it is your real personality.
Whatever, you're not alone. I don't like most people on this forum anymore after the watch list experience.
Well that's fine if you feel like that's my personality, even though I am the one arguing for including all types of movies. You hit the mark on that one.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:08 AM
I have a lot more respect for this forum recently because I was almost banned from a different forum for saying something that wouldn't even make anybody react at all here. This happened the other day. I couldn't believe it. Totally disgusting, I'm not gonna go into it. This forum is cool. It should be, I've been here for almost 14 years.
I didn't see whatever that was. I hope you don't hate me.
You weren't a part of the watch list group so we're still cool.
I did leave the forum for a week though because after 2 years of trying to plug the man from nowhere and only movie gal watching it. Doesn't exactly seem like there is much point of discussing movies with anyone on here.
Still good for random chit chat in the middle of the night though, i don't have any other forums that are active at 4am my time
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:12 AM
You weren't a part of the watch list group so we're still cool.
I did leave the forum for a week though because after 2 years of trying to plug the man from nowhere and only movie gal watching it. Doesn't exactly seem like there is much point of discussing movies with anyone on here.
Still good for random chit chat in the middle of the night though, i don't have any other forums that are active at 4am my time
Don't expect deep friendships here. This place has lasted a long time because we pretend we all like each other, but we really don't. As everyone points out, it's like a family.
As a moderator and the person who created this thread, you ought to be reading all of the posts in it.
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1352277#post1352277
That confused me there :facepalm:. I thought Destiny had created some other controversial
thread, then I was directed to page 1 :laugh:
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 05:13 AM
Don't expect deep friendships here. This place has lasted a long time because we pretend we all like each other, but we really don't. As everyone points out, it's like a family.
I love Swan. Like I would fight for that dude.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:14 AM
I love Swan. Like I would fight for that dude.
You love Swan now, but 10 years from now, if you guys see each other on the street, you'd pretend you have no idea who he is.
I love Swan. Like I would fight for that dude.
:cage:
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 05:16 AM
You love Swan now, but 10 years from now, if you guys see each other on the street, you'd pretend you have no idea who he is.
That's true, but as soon as I am behind a computer monitor I will message him about it. :p
As a moderator and the person who created this thread, you ought to be reading all of the posts in it.
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1352277#post1352277
As a moderator, I am trying to make sure it doesn't get nasty, which I did. The committee had the job of reading through it all, to make a decision. Then again, they shouldn't ever have to do that, either.
That link goes back to the post I quoted from you, when I asked you those questions.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 05:16 AM
That confused me there :facepalm:. I thought Destiny had created some other controversial
thread, then I was directed to page 1 :laugh:
That link should take you to a particular post on page four of this thread. It does when I click it.
Anyway, it has always been the rule that you can skip a film ONLY if you are truly unable to obtain it and have exhausted all reasonable resources to get it. I believe this issue also at one point resulted in a member being asked to change their nomination when several participants were unable to find it (I believe the movie in question was The Hedgehog, but I didn't participate in that HOF).
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:17 AM
You're doing a good job, Destiny. You've let us talk things out, you haven't strongly imposed yourself on us.....
Yoda or Sedai... they would have shut all this down already.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 05:18 AM
That link should take you to a particular post on page four of this thread. It does when I click it.
Anyway, it has always been the rule that you can skip a film ONLY if you are truly unable to obtain it and have exhausted all reasonable resources to get it. I believe this issue also at one point resulted in a member being asked to change their nomination when several participants were unable to find it (I believe the movie in question was The Hedgehog, but I didn't participate in that HOF).
It was Sane's nomination, if I remember correctly. It was the film Urga. Great film, but it got changed to another film that wasn't as good because it was hard to find. :D
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 05:18 AM
The committee had the job of reading through it all, to make a decision. Then again, they shouldn't ever have to do that, either.
You don't think the committee should have to read all posts and take into account all of the points made in a dispute before making a decision? What the hell is the point of the committee then?
You don't think the committee should have to take into account all of the points made in a dispute? What the hell is the point of the committee then?
I was actually picturing them skim reading. God knows I would, through half this sh . . . :D
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 05:26 AM
If you're only skimming then you're not getting the full picture and can't make a fair decision.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:27 AM
What a fun thread this is. I will have to nominate it for a MoFie. :leo:
What a fun thread this is. I will have to nominate it for a MoFie. :leo:
Both Best Thread and Worst.
I was not elected to watch peter jackson suffer and die while you discuss his movie in a committee!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFhhz5Lrqk
No seriously, I wasn't elected.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:29 AM
Both Best Thread and Worst.
No, not worst -- one of my threads should really win that.
MoHaHas.
We are not about to start another debate. First off, I'm not talking for them. Secondly, I can skim read, and tell when it's blasting posts, that have nothing to do with the details, and . . . well, when it's details.
You're doing a good job, Destiny. You've let us talk things out, you haven't strongly imposed yourself on us.....
Yoda or Sedai... they would have shut all this down already.
Well, I did close the other thread, but it was getting rather personal.
Both Best Thread and Worst.
He is just deticated to his peaceful 60s schtick, the HOF is the best place to rufflle a few feathers. Dunno about you Gatsby but I've witnessed a few chicken deaths lately.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 05:34 AM
There were very few posts in this thread that were irrelevant to the issue at hand. Details are important. Fully hearing out both sides is essential. I certainly hope that the actual members of the committee agree with that and take their jobs and decisions seriously.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 05:37 AM
He is just deticated to his peaceful 60s schtick
http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=21894&stc=1&d=1435615901
There were very few posts in this thread that were irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Then I wouldn't have had to skim through much.
I certainly hope that the actual members of the committee agree with that and take their jobs and decisions seriously.
Of course they do, or I wouldn't have picked them.
It's funny that the only thing to start this, was you not wanting to answer my question.
Miss Vicky
07-16-15, 05:44 AM
Then I wouldn't have had to skim through much.
You said yourself that you would "skim through half this s***."
Again, not getting the full picture.
christine
07-16-15, 06:10 AM
Ok I am taking this seriously. I've read all the posts at work on a tiny phone screen.! I've listened to all sides and come back to GBGs original question which is:
"My question is about whether or not there should be a rule about nominations in a genre-specific HoF being within the "spirit" of the genre"
I think that the 'spirit' of something has no concrete definition. It will be open to more wrangling. The only concrete way of referring to film genres is to use IMDb or Wikipedia. That's the rules we should stick to.
I would've been ok with a rule allowing a person to not watch a film due to their sensitivities (not whether they dislike a director!) but thinking about it that would cause even more unresolvable discussion and possible bad feeling. I have not joined some HoFs myself because I haven't fancied one or two films so if I can do it then other people should too.
GBG - you've participated in quite a few HoFs since you've been here and I'm sure you've watched films out of your comfort zone already, but if you read up on a film and think it's really going to make you sick then you'll have to accept that the HoF won't be for you. I'm sure there will be plenty in future which won't contain ones you consider extreme :)
You said yourself that you would "skim through half this s***."
Again, not getting the full picture.
I was actually picturing them skim reading.
I was picturing them skim reading, and for all we know, I am way wrong. I don't know what these people will do, but I do know that I can trust them. I picked five great people for this job, and I trust them entirely. God bless Christine. She was already in here, working on through it, and she didn't even have to. She could have waited for the others.
God knows I would, through half this sh . . . :D
That was just me being funny. Swan liked it.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 06:14 AM
Christine's judgement here is silly. I should be on the Committee. Look at how dedicated I've been.
Damn Christine, you beat me.
I opened another page, to go get my quote, and went off to profile comments, rep, etc . . . and didn't even see you slide in here.
Just got an idea for a Hall of Fame:
The GBG Hall of Fame
Simple, nominate movies you think GBG will like. Anyone who deliberately nominates a movie that's horror related or doesn't have Cary Grant in is banned.
We could run it alongside the Best Dance Choreography HoF.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 06:31 AM
OMG. Poor GB. Maybe you guys should just ban her.
OMG. Poor GB. Maybe you guys should just ban her.
I'm not trying to bash GB. I'm just pointing out a possible worst case scenario.
Christine: the voice of reason :up: . Go create controversy in the Chill Club or Shout box SC.
christine
07-16-15, 07:10 AM
GBG asked a reasonable question that affected her enjoyment of a particular HoF. She asked the question in the place that was made for it. There's no need to be either silly or indeed speak for her. She's diligently watched the films in the HoFs she's participated in, and had interesting points of view.
I hope she has lots of fun in future HoFs. GBG I hope you'[re not going to bail out of participating in future HoFs as I know you're looking forward to some of them. :)
Thursday Next
07-16-15, 09:11 AM
OK, I have just read through all eleven (!) pages of this discussion.
Personally, I think that Dead Alive is in the spirit of the genre. It is a comedy hall of fame, it is a horror comedy. I also share other people's concerns about setting a precedent if we allow any participants to not watch a film because it doesn't fit their tastes.
However, I do understand gbg's point about having to watch things that make her uncomfortable and whether she feels safe joining any HoF if people are deliberately going to nominate extreme movies.
I do think the halls of fame should be approached with an open mind, and if anyone doesn't feel able to do that then perhaps the only real answer is not to join. BUT I do see that some people who are fine with extreme movies are then getting to have all the fun, when there is a whole range of movies out there, so there must be some sort of compromise that allows everyone to join in.
As we are having lots of different specific halls of fame, I don't see why we can't have ones that gbg would feel safer joining as well, perhaps g/pg-rated only or non-horror. Or, like the song tournaments, we could have a general hall of fame but everybody gets one veto or everyone gets to pick one director/genre/actor/whatever that is not allowed for that particular HoF (e.g. Miss Vicky can ban musicals, Rodent can ban Roman Polanski etc.), something like that.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 09:22 AM
Personally, I think that Dead Alive is in the spirit of the genre. It is a comedy hall of fame, it is a horror comedy.
A LOT of horror movies are also considered horror comedies, though.
The Return of the Living Dead is considered a horror comedy. It's even listed as so on IMDB.
Yet, it's one of the most horrific, scary movies I know.
http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=22221&stc=1&d=1437049205
The Leprechaun movies are also labeled "comedy" on IMDB. I'd even vouch that several Nightmare on Elm Street movies have comedic elements.
But they are all definitely, first and foremost, HORROR films.
I don't agree with these committee members at all. I think there needs to be a Horror Comedy Hall of Fame if you want to include stuff like this, and I think you should EXCLUDE horror comedies here.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 09:25 AM
http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=22222&stc=1&d=1437049451
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 -- COMEDY. Even that would get included here by your standards.
christine
07-16-15, 09:26 AM
Agree with TN, if someone wants to they can run a HoF that has rated constrictions. If you don't see what you like then make your own* Don't let's lose sight of the fact that the HoFs are supposed to be a source of entertainment :)
*terms and conditions apply ;)
christine
07-16-15, 09:28 AM
Yes SC but nobody has nominated those!
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 09:28 AM
Seriously, you could run the entire Comedy Hall of Fame with HORROR movies, and then that makes people who don't like horror films have to stay away from it. It's WRONG. It's just wrong. Have a Horror Comedy Hall of Fame. It makes the forum BETTER for people.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 09:33 AM
You guys have driven away GB, a very good member of this site, from ALL Hall of Fames. I don't care if that's just her decision. You've driven her away because of this nonsense. You guys really disgust me on this issue.
christine
07-16-15, 09:52 AM
You guys have driven away GB, a very good member of this site, from ALL Hall of Fames. I don't care if that's just her decision. You've driven her away because of this nonsense. You guys really disgust me on this issue.
This isn't true tho is it? GBG asked a reasonable question and was given sensible reasons why the 'spirit' of something is too general a term to run a HoF on, but people were sympathising with her and her dilemma. She hasn't been driven out of all Halls of Fame, she has taken her own choice to do that - if indeed she actually has taken that decision. If she has, I definately hope she comes round and rejoins cos as I've just told her in a pm she's a valued member with always an honest take on things.
The whole HoF has already been sorted, just let it run its course, it's not the end of the world is it?
christine you said you read all the posts but i think you missed some.
yes gbg said it twice
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 09:57 AM
Nope. She's decided that she's never gonna join another Hall of Fame ever again and I don't blame her. You guys are arrogant, unbending fools who would gladly turn a COMEDY hall of fame into a HORROR hall of fame if everyone had nominated horror movies that are considered funny to some people. You guys have destroyed the spirit of fun on this forum, as far as I'm concerned.
Cobpyth
07-16-15, 10:25 AM
I also just read through the whole thread and I'll stand by what Christine said in her final conclusion:
"My question is about whether or not there should be a rule about nominations in a genre-specific HoF being within the "spirit" of the genre"
I think that the 'spirit' of something has no concrete definition. It will be open to more wrangling. The only concrete way of referring to film genres is to use IMDb or Wikipedia. That's the rules we should stick to.
I would've been ok with a rule allowing a person to not watch a film due to their sensitivities (not whether they dislike a director!) (NOTE by Cobpyth: I would personally not have supported this rule for reasons that opposers have already stated in this thread) but thinking about it that would cause even more unresolvable discussion and possible bad feeling. I have not joined some HoFs myself because I haven't fancied one or two films so if I can do it then other people should too.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that, in my opinion, nothing stops certain people to make a HoF in the future that has more specific regulations than for instance the HoFs that are hosted by JJ (Christine and Thursday already pointed this out as well). The main "power" for every individual HoF is still in the hands of the host, as long as the rules are clear from the beginning. People can then decide, based on the description in the first post, whether they like the limitations of that specific HoF and whether they want to participate. It's all voluntary and that, to me, seems the fairest way to go about these tournaments.
I also want to underline this part of Christine's post, which is addressed to GBG in particular:
GBG - you've participated in quite a few HoFs since you've been here and I'm sure you've watched films out of your comfort zone already, but if you read up on a film and think it's really going to make you sick then you'll have to accept that the HoF won't be for you. I'm sure there will be plenty in future which won't contain ones you consider extreme :)
Just like her, I feel like you're making a mistake by excluding yourself from all future HoFs (and the current Animation HoF), just because the possibility exists that one of the nominated films in a certain HoF will be beyond your "taste limits". You can always drop out of a Hall of Fame when you realize that's the case after the nominations are announced (like you did in the Comedy HoF). You have that freedom. :)
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 10:35 AM
Yeah, and if people drop out, that just causes more trouble. What if it wasn't just GB who dropped out because of things like this? What if it was multiple people?
This is ridiculous. By these rules, a Comedy Hall of Fame could have all horror movies if people had nominated them. What's the point in having a COMEDY Hall of Fame if they're just horror movies? It's ludicrous. Yes, the whole idea behind this crap is stupid anyway, but if you're going to do this kind of thing, ACCOMMODATE. Don't open a Comedy Hall of Fame and then allow horror films. Don't risk that the people joining your Hall of Fame might quit once they see the films aren't what they were expecting.
Cobpyth
07-16-15, 10:35 AM
I also would like to add something to this interesting suggestion of TN:
Or, like the song tournaments, we could have a general hall of fame but everybody gets one veto or everyone gets to pick one director/genre/actor/whatever that is not allowed for that particular HoF (e.g. Miss Vicky can ban musicals, Rodent can ban Roman Polanski etc.), something like that.
I think all hosts should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to add (or exclude) this rule to (from) their Hall of Fame tournaments.
christine
07-16-15, 10:38 AM
Nope. She's decided that she's never gonna join another Hall of Fame ever again and I don't blame her. You guys are arrogant, unbending fools who would gladly turn a COMEDY hall of fame into a HORROR hall of fame if everyone had nominated horror movies that are considered funny to some people. You guys have destroyed the spirit of fun on this forum, as far as I'm concerned.
I hate to keep on coming back on you SC but it's such an exaggeration saying 'if everyone had nominated horror movies that are considered funny to some people' - the fact is that everyone didn't! There's 13 films there, 11 of which are nothing to do with horror!
Can we stop now. Goodies handled this better than anyone and she is the one who had to bow out.
The point about specific rules being up to the individual running the HOF is well taken. Now lets just remember that the next time someone makes a HOF with some specific rules. Because I am still seeing comments about a HOF that got derailed because people didn't like the rules set forth.
Sexy Celebrity
07-16-15, 10:42 AM
I hate to keep on coming back on you SC but it's such an exaggeration saying 'if everyone had nominated horror movies that are considered funny to some people' - the fact is that everyone didn't! There's 13 films there, 11 of which are nothing to do with horror!
I don't care that not everybody did. The fact is -- THEY COULD HAVE. That's the problem. I'm calling for the removal of so called "Horror Comedies" from the general Comedy Hall of Fame. Don't have it so that a Comedy Hall of Fame could possibly - POSSIBLY - wind up being a Horror Hall of Fame, which is exactly what it could be with the current rules and because of what you and Thursday Next are supporting.
Cobpyth
07-16-15, 10:46 AM
I don't care that not everybody did. The fact is -- THEY COULD HAVE.
Nope. The only fact is that they (a collection of individuals, mind you) didn't. ;)
I don't agree with this point of yours SC. Comedy could also end up being romcom. Or action.
Hell you could have all military comedy
https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mmwoyNv91ql03r9o1_500.jpg
That's the nature of comedy, it's best when it's mixed into another genre.
You have a stronger argument with the fact that some people cannot physically stomach gore. Just like some people have been rape victims and cannot watch films with rape in them.
Now if we are professionals here you can hardline it and say that's your job as a critic. If you can't watch all kinds of films you have no place as a film critic. But this is just a web forum.
I'll chime in here and say the best solution is for gbg to lie to everyone and say she watched it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PZFpCCF_WD8/U_0LluoywuI/AAAAAAAAADQ/tyH699W-X1I/s1600/The%2BGood%2BLie%2BSoundtrack.jpg
Also a great movie
cricket
07-16-15, 11:17 AM
That's a great point, Foster, about other types of comedy such as action, or rom-com, but it's a point that makes you understand GB's frustration even more. Her favorite movies are classic rom-coms, but she nominated a movie she thought everyone would like, and a movie that fits the theme 100% perfectly, only to see that two horror movies were nominated, when everyone knows she hates horror movies. It's like a slap in the face to her, even though it's an unintentional one.
Cole416
07-16-15, 11:37 AM
If I hear "spirit of the genre" one more time...
By the way, we should just let anyone drop out for the 24 hrs after the nominations are released. I'm sure there are more people looking to participate. In fact, I have a friend that would have liked to join because he missed the other HOF by a week.
Citizen Rules
07-16-15, 11:46 AM
I just read all of this thread, how depressing.
I'm settling this right now. You win.
I'm done with all current and future HoFs, and you guys can decide which of you will finish running the Animated Musicals HoF. I'm very sorry to hear that :(...But I know exactly how you feel.
...Furthermore, I'd like to add that, in my opinion, nothing stops certain people to make a HoF in the future that has more specific regulations than for instance the HoFs that are hosted by JJ (Christine and Thursday already pointed this out as well). The main "power" for every individual HoF is still in the hands of the host, as long as the rules are clear from the beginning. People can then decide, based on the description in the first post, whether they like the limitations of that specific HoF and whether they want to participate. It's all voluntary and that, to me, seems the fairest way to go about these tournaments...
..I think all hosts should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to add (or exclude) this rule to (from) their Hall of Fame tournaments.
I agree with you Cob the person running the Hof is the boss and sets the rules,...However when it came to my Live Action Musical Hof I was told I didn't have the right to make my own rules. I was told that by people who wanted me to change my own rules so that they could nominate what they wanted.
..The point about specific rules being up to the individual running the HOF is well taken. Now lets just remember that the next time someone makes a HOF with some specific rules. Because I am still seeing comments about a HOF that got derailed because people didn't like the rules set forth. Thank you Sean
Cobpyth
07-16-15, 11:52 AM
I agree with you Cob the person running the Hof is the boss, they set the rules...However when it came to my Live Action Musical Hof I was told I didn't have the right to make my own rules. I was told that by people who wanted me to change my own guidlines so they nominate WHAT they wanted. At no time have I told another person how to run their Hofs. I wasn't shown the same respect.
I thought the issue then was that you only implemented the live action rule later when people started to nominate animated musical films and that the original concept was simply a Musical Hall of Fame. Hence I added the "from the beginning" part in my earlier post.
I could be wrong, though. I wasn't really that involved in that discussion. :)
Citizen Rules
07-16-15, 12:00 PM
I thought the issue then was that you only implemented the live action rule later when people started to nominate animated musical films and that the original concept was simply a Musical Hall of Fame. Hence I added the "from the beginning" part in my earlier post.
I could be wrong, though. I wasn't really that involved in that discussion. :) I stated the live action rule in the very first post of the my Hof.....So we have one group of people who told me I needed to change my Hof to suit them, then these same people are now saying that Hofs should not be changed.
I like to keep this to actual musical, theatrical release movies, live action. Yes there's lots of Disney animations that have songs in them but that goes off into another tangent. Soon there will be an animation Hof and those can go in there.
Thursday Next
07-16-15, 12:07 PM
A LOT of horror movies are also considered horror comedies, though.
The Return of the Living Dead is considered a horror comedy. It's even listed as so on IMDB.
Yet, it's one of the most horrific, scary movies I know.
But that still doesn't necessarily stop it being a comedy movie. Just as a gory musical wouldn't stop being a musical.
I think there needs to be a Horror Comedy Hall of Fame if you want to include stuff like this, and I think you should EXCLUDE horror comedies here.
That's not an unreasonable suggestion, actually, and would have been a way to work round it. There are enough horror comedies that they could have their own HoF. But there are plenty of sub-genres that then could also be split up. The existing comedy HoF was always anything goes. If we're going to start excluding certain genres it really needs to be done before the HoF starts.
Nope. She's decided that she's never gonna join another Hall of Fame ever again and I don't blame her. You guys are arrogant, unbending fools who would gladly turn a COMEDY hall of fame into a HORROR hall of fame if everyone had nominated horror movies that are considered funny to some people. You guys have destroyed the spirit of fun on this forum, as far as I'm concerned.
All most people in this thread are trying to do is to have a reasonable discussion and reach an amicable solution that makes it possible for people to have fun with the halls of fame. As far as I can work out, you're here just to stir the pot, since you've never shown the slightest bit of interest in the halls of fame until you sniffed out a controversy to get involved in. You have got some reasonable points to make but they would come across better without your sweeping accusations of 'you guys'.
That's a great point, Foster, about other types of comedy such as action, or rom-com, but it's a point that makes you understand GB's frustration even more. Her favorite movies are classic rom-coms, but she nominated a movie she thought everyone would like, and a movie that fits the theme 100% perfectly, only to see that two horror movies were nominated, when everyone knows she hates horror movies. It's like a slap in the face to her, even though it's an unintentional one.
This is the trouble with genre based halls of fame. People do interpret them in different ways. And usually people's different interests and interpretations lead naturally to a good spread of different films. A hall of fame that is too narrow would be boring. Part of the fun is watching movies you wouldn't usually watch.
I didn't sign up to the comedy HoF, though, because I knew other people's taste in comedy would vary widely and there would probably be horror comedies and gross out films I wouldn't like at all.
When the musicals hall of fame excluded animated musicals people were outraged and went off and started their own hall of fame. Now, when the comedy hall of fame is 'anything goes', people still aren't happy. It's just impossible to please everyone at once, but there is scope for enough different HoFs that everybody should be able to find (or make) something that interests them.
Basically there isn't a solution to this that everyone will like. The only compromise I can suggest is letting the 'anything goes' comedy HoF go ahead as it is, and starting up a new HoF with a different scope that people who aren't comfortable participating in the Comedy HoF feel more comfortable participating in. What that would look like would need some input from GBG or anyone else who feels similarly about gory movies or any other particular thing they don't want to see.
Cobpyth
07-16-15, 12:15 PM
I stated the live action rule in the very first post of the my Hof.....So we have one group of people who told me I needed to change my Hof to suit them, then these same people are now saying that Hofs should not be changed.
If that's the case they still had the right to complain about that rule (naturally), but (if we consider the "every host rules his own HoF" as the highest rule for a moment) you would have had the last word in that particular argument (because you hosted the HoF) and the other members would then have to decide for themselves if they wanted to participate or not.
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 12:18 PM
I stated the live action rule in the very first post of the my Hof.....So we have one group of people who told me I needed to change my Hof to suit them, then these same people are now saying that Hofs should not be changed.
I don't know if this is in reference to me or not, but I'd just like to say that I thought it was misleading to call it a musical hall of fame if you weren't going to allow all types of musicals. If that wasn't about me, carry on. :D
jiraffejustin
07-16-15, 12:24 PM
If that's the case they still had the right to complain about that rule (naturally), but (if we consider the "every host rules his own HoF" as the highest rule for a moment) you would have had the last word in that particular argument (because you hosted the HoF) and the other members would then have to decide for themselves if they wanted to participate or not.
I am not a fan of the host deciding what all is eligible in a hall of fame. I mentioned that in response to Destiny earlier in this thread too. I've always just been in favor of allowing each participant to determine what fits the theme to them. The host can try to define the theme, but if a host tries to say that animated musicals aren't musicals, the participants can call bullsh*t on it. I don't think Citizen ever said animated musicals aren't musicals, but he did want them disallowed in a musical hall of fame. I didn't like that, and a few others didn't either. Calling it a live-action musical hall of fame would be more accurate, and I wanted that to go through and still want that to go through.
rauldc14
07-16-15, 12:25 PM
I hope GBG reconsiders, if not this all seems foolish to me. We need to stop the nonsense that has happened lately. We haven't had any problems in the past.
MovieGal
07-16-15, 12:30 PM
You all can hate me for this but here I go
Sorry but I have to say this, but I personally feel that some people here know who doesnt like what types of films and they nominate things to "stir water". I know from experience with the Watch List...
there is a difference in
Dead Alive vs Warm Bodies which is a comedy horror my daughter loves (a film I have never seen but I know my daughter does not like a lot of horror)
Link to Warm Bodies
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1588173/?ref_=nm_knf_i1
After how I was treated in the Horror HOF with Cannibal.. and with the Slasher HOF I only nominated Hatchet to prove how crappy I feel slashers are (I feel slasher films are the worse of the horror genre). In their time, they may have been great but now days there is a lot better horror that isnt so cheesy. Other types of horror can stand the test of time but not slashers...
With the controversy with my Watch List at first and its eventual downfall. (I think I was the one who watched the most). Everyone who said they would participate never did. I even got a message about it last night.
I will never participate in any HOF or anything similar to them.....
I dont blame GBG for dropping out. I know for a fact that Dead Alive is a extreme cinema film and people knew that was not her thing. I use a site as suggestions for my extreme cinema films and this is what it says about Braindead aka Dead Alive
Braindead (AKA Dead Alive)
A rather special type of poisonous monkey is found and taken to a local zoo. Lionel's monstrous mother gets bitten and turns into a zombie, and Lionel tries to hide this embarrassing secret in his cellar. Things get hilariously out of hand. This is the goriest, most fun splatter movie ever made. Among other things, we see intestines chasing a man with intent to commit murder, and the bloodiest, longest climax ever made where Lionel cuts up scores of zombies with a lawnmower.
Citizen Rules
07-16-15, 12:31 PM
I don't know if this is in reference to me or not.The reference is to all the people who demanded I change my Hof to suit them.
I agree with Cob, whoever makes an Hof has total right to call the shots. I don't think we need a bunch of rules, or schedules or even a committee.
The Hofs should work like an open market system, anyone can make an Hof at any time, any number of Hofs can run at the same time and with any type of rules....If people like a JJ style Hof where any type of film goes, they will join it. If other people prefer a GBG or Citizen style Hof they can join that. That's fair. That's the way it should be.
I think you would agree that's better than making more and more rules.
Thursday Next
07-16-15, 12:38 PM
The reference is to all the people who demanded I change my Hof to suit them.
I agree with Cob, whoever makes an Hof has total right to call the shots. I don't think we need a bunch of rules, or schedules or even a committee.
The Hofs should work like an open market system, anyone can make an Hof at any time, any number of Hofs can run a the same time and with any type of rules. Anyone who joins an Hof does so voluntarily. If people like a JJ style Hof with anything goes they will join it. If other people prefer a GBG or Citizen style Hof they can join that. That's fair. That's the way it should be and I think you would agree that's better than making more and more rules.
I agree with this, actually. I think all the rules, schedules and everything have just caused more arguments. I'm all for people running whatever halls of fame they like, with their own rules, and if people want to join in they can, if they don't , don't.
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