All about the upcoming Live Action Musical Hall of Fame

[Citizen Rules]

This thread is about discussing the upcoming, Musical Hall of Fame.

It's been a long time in the planning and I'm excited to host it! The same general HOF rules will apply. So lets discuss what is and isn't a musical:

I like to keep this to actual musical, theatrical release movies, live action. Yes there's lots of Disney animations that have songs in them but that goes off into another tangent. Soon there will be an animation Hof and those can go in there.

So what's a musical?

A musical has the characters in the movie actually singing several or more songs, and as part of the movies story, not just singing a song on stage (like a band or performer).

A song played in the background, like American Graffiti would not be a musical. Movies like:A Hard Day's Night, Purple Rain, The Wall, This is Spinal Tap, would not be eligible.

[cricket]

I'm going to pass on this one because I just don't like most of the classic musicals. I did consider it, and this would've been my nomination-

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Bugsy_malone_movie_poster.jpg

[Citizen Rules]

Love to have you Cricket in it, if you change your mind. As it's summer I think it might be really small. I've never seen Bugsy Malone, but I like too.

[gbgoodies]

I'm going to pass on this one because I just don't like most of the classic musicals. I did consider it, and this would've been my nomination-

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Bugsy_malone_movie_poster.jpg


It's a shame that you don't want to join. I think I would have enjoyed watching Bugsy Malone again.

[gbgoodies]

This thread is about discussing the upcoming, Musical Hall of Fame.

So what's a musical?

A musical has the actors in the movie actually singing several or more songs, and as part of the movies story.
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Bugsy Malone made me realize that I think the wording in this rule should be changed. The characters in the movie have to actually sing, not the actors. Many musicals use dubbed songs.

[Citizen Rules]

Good point. I'll change it.

[Pussy Galore]

I'll participate, I've not seen many musicals, but I do like them.

[gbgoodies]

When is the deadline for nominations?

[Citizen Rules]

I like to see how many people are interested before I announce deadlines for nominations. I'm flexible with that, so I will let this thread run a little while before making the actual thread.

[gbgoodies]

I like to see how many people are interested before I announce deadlines for nominations. I'm flexible with that, so I will let this thread run a little while before making the actual thread.


That's good because I haven't even narrowed it down to my short list yet. I love so many musicals that I have no idea what to nominate. :shrug:

[Citizen Rules]

I won't rush it. MoFo seems a bit slow at this time of the year so I want to give people a chance to see this thread.

I think the timing for this is good as both the sci-fi and slasher hofs are over and the documentary won't start for a couple months.

I haven't any though about what musical I would choose???

[gbgoodies]

The only thing that I already decided is that I don't want to nominate Singin' in the Rain because most people have already seen it. I'd like to choose something that's a little less obvious.

[SilentVamp]

You can count me in. I have to think about what I would nominate, too. I have a couple of ideas in my head. I will have to make a list and then narrow it down to what I think would be best.

[Citizen Rules]

I like that idea. I hope we get a bunch of unique musicals. I'm also fine watching some long time favorites.

If anyone needs some ideas, just breeze over to Gideon's My Favorite Movie Dance Numbers & Choreography thread.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=41443

[Citizen Rules]

Hi! SilentVamp, I don't believe we've talked before. Cool avatar BTW, is that Vilma Banky?

Glad to have you in the Musical Hof:) I assume this is your first Hof? If so Welcome! If you have any questions just let me know.

[gbgoodies]

I like that idea. I hope we get a bunch of unique musicals. I'm also fine watching some long time favorites.

If anyone needs some ideas, just breeze over to Gideon's My Favorite Movie Dance Numbers & Choreography thread.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=41443



Gideon also did a "My Favorite Musicals" thread a while back, and there are some great musicals in that thread too.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=40391

[SilentVamp]

Hi! SilentVamp, I don't believe we've talked before. Cool avatar BTW, is that Vilma Banky?

Glad to have you in the Musical Hof:) I assume this is your first Hof? If so Welcome! If you have any questions just let me know.
Thanks. :) It is actually Lili Damita. I love to use this one of her because I think it just screams the perfect vamp of the silent screen. :)

And, yes, this is my first HoF. I think this is a good one to try out since musicals are a tiny bit of an obsession for me. :)

Gideon also did a "My Favorite Musicals" thread a while back, and there are some great musicals in that thread too.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=40391
I agree. If anyone has any trouble coming up with any, they should look elsewhere for ideas, too.

There are so many musicals that they are talking about filming that I kind of wish they were already made. They would make great choices for this discussion (i.e. "The Book of Mormon"). Especially when they could be combined with the classic musicals.

[jiraffejustin]

I am not committing yet, but I am interested.

[Gatsby]

I'm with cricket, I did consider joining but I think one HoF at a time is just enough for me, and musicals don't interest me enough. But I'll surely be joining the animation Hall of Fame.

My nomination would have been my favorite musical of all time, tied with Singing in the Rain:

http://i.imgur.com/NYVDHnC.jpg

[gbgoodies]

Cabaret is another movie that would have been a great nomination. It's a shame that you're not planning to join the Musicals HoF.

[Citizen Rules]

Yup, Cabaret is great, last time I seen it was about 5 years ago, so I could watch it again.

[SilentVamp]

Well, I've got 10 musicals in my mind. Now I have to keep working on it and deciding on what I would choose. I have an idea of which one I think may end up being my choice, but I am still considering the other ones, too. For right now, though, there is one that I am leaning towards.

[Thursday Next]

I am so definitely in this one! It will be tough to pick just one musical, though.

[gbgoodies]

Well I narrowed down my short list to about 25 movies. I just have to figure out how to narrow it down to one.

[SilentVamp]

Well I narrowed down my short list to about 25 movies. I just have to figure out how to narrow it down to one.
That is my problem. :) But here is where the problem comes in. Since I managed to cut it down to only 10, I thought I would be OK with making a decision. But then one movie, and another one, will pop into my head that I think would be pretty good also. And I want to keep this list to 10. So, I feel like I have to block the other movies that enter my mind because I have to eventually cut it down to just one. But it is just so hard!

[gbgoodies]

That is my problem. :) But here is where the problem comes in. Since I managed to cut it down to only 10, I thought I would be OK with making a decision. But then one movie, and another one, will pop into my head that I think would be pretty good also. And I want to keep this list to 10. So, I feel like I have to block the other movies that enter my mind because I have to eventually cut it down to just one. But it is just so hard!


I started out by deciding that I definitely want to nominate a classic musical, so I cut out all the modern musicals, (like Grease, Eddie and the Cruisers, The Idolmaker, Beyond the Sea, etc.). Then, I cut out some that I thought were too popular so most people have already seen them, (like Singin in the Rain), or movies that are lower on my list of favorites.

Now I have to figure out how to cut the list down even more. :shrug:

Maybe we should each nominate two movies for this HoF? :lol:

[SilentVamp]

Maybe we should each nominate two movies for this HoF? :lol:
That would make it a lot easier, wouldn't it? :D


I completely ignored all "modern" musicals except for one (which isn't all that modern anymore, I suppose). And I do have a total of two classics on there. The one is probably more universally seen than the other, but I still wanted to consider it. And the one that I am leaning towards isn't necessarily modern or old. It is somewhere in between. :) The rest are all older musicals. I am trying to narrow it down to one that others might enjoy. I tend to like a lot of musicals that other people just do not care for at all. Thus far, this hasn't been the easiest task. But I said I would do it and I will! :) I am determined! :)

[Citizen Rules]

Maybe we should each nominate two movies for this HoF? :lol:

If we only have a few members when this starts maybe we could each nominate two. But only if everyone was OK with that.

So for now, it's one musical nomination per person. It's good to have a back up choice, just in case your main nomination isn't excepted as being a musical. ( I doubt that would happen, I'm saying just in case)

Members of the Musical Hof so far:

Citizen Rules
GBGoodies
Destiny
Pussy Galore
Silent Vamp
Gideon
Thursday Next
Jiraffejustin


Who else wants to join?

[Ðèstîñy]

Watch all of you nominate the same film. That would be funny. :D

I feel sure mine isn't known. Maybe not the other choice, either. I'm not so sure about that one.

I didn't think Eddie and the Cruisers was an actual musical. Yet just a movie about music.

[jiraffejustin]

I'm in.

[gbgoodies]

If we only have a few members when this starts maybe we could each nominate two. But only if everyone was OK with that.

So for now, it's one musical nomination per person. It's good to have a back up choice, just in case your main nomination isn't excepted as being a musical. ( I doubt that would happen, I'm saying just in case)



I have about 25 backup choices, and I'm sure that they're all eligible.

[gbgoodies]

Watch all of you nominate the same film. That would be funny. :D

Yes, that would be funny. :lol:


I didn't think Eddie and the Cruisers was an actual musical. Yet just a movie about music.

I thought Eddie and the Cruisers would be considered a musical because the characters sing the songs. They're not just background music.

But I guess it would be up to Citizen Rules if it would be eligible.

[Ðèstîñy]

but I guess it would be up to Citizen Rules if it would be eligible.

You know, with that being said, I'm thinking that it might be OK to just let each person who runs a Hall of fame, come up with their own rules. What about that, folks?

[Monkeypunch]

I'm interested but I don't know what doing a Hall of Fame entails, I've never been a part of one before. I do like musicals though. They're fun.

[gbgoodies]

You know, with that being said, I'm thinking that it might be OK to just let each person who runs a Hall of fame, come up with their own rules. What about that, folks?


I think that's pretty much the way it is now with some of the rules, but I think there are also some rules that are general rules for all HoFs.

As long as the rules are posted in advance so everyone knows what's expected of them, it should work out okay. :rolleyes:

[gbgoodies]

I'm interested but I don't know what doing a Hall of Fame entails, I've never been a part of one before. I do like musicals though. They're fun.


This HoF hasn't officially started yet, so I don't think it's time to send in your nomination yet, but you can start thinking about what movie to nominate, and when it starts, this is basically how it works.

Everyone who joins the HoF nominates one movie, (in this case it will be a musical movie), by sending your nomination to the person running the HoF, (in this case, it's Citizen Rules), and then we all have until a specific deadline, (which hasn't been set yet), to watch all the movies.

We discuss them as we watch them, (in no specific order), and then we rank the movies and send the ranked list to the person who started the HoF, (in this case, it's Citizen Rules), by private message. Then the votes will be totaled up, and the winner will be announced.

[SilentVamp]

A lot of people, for example, consider "A Hard Day's Night" and "Purple Rain" musicals, too. I guess to a certain degree they are. I understand calling them musicals. But, personally, I think a musical is when someone just randomly goes into a song rather than is "performing" it. But if these would be considered, too, that is something to think about. Maybe I would have to change my list of options around then. :)

[Ðèstîñy]

I agree. To me, a musical is when people break into singing their sentences, replies, whatever, instead of simply speaking. I'm cool with whatever he chooses, but it may help with our huge lists, to eliminate those.

[Citizen Rules]

I'm in. Cool, that makes 8 so far.

As long as the rules are posted in advance so everyone knows what's expected of them, it should work out okay. :rolleyes: I will post the guideline rules when I make the official thread. Plus I will talk about them here too.

A lot of people, for example, consider "A Hard Day's Night" and "Purple Rain" musicals, too. I guess to a certain degree they are. I understand calling them musicals. But, personally, I think a musical is when someone just randomly goes into a song rather than is "performing" it.:) I agree...movies with songs where the characters perform the song as a band, aren't going to be traditional musicals so won't be in.

A Hard Day's Night, Purple Rain, The Wall, This is Spinal Tap would not be eligible. I haven't seen Eddie the Cruisers but based on what I read it sounds like a movie where a band performs it's songs, so no it wouldn't be eligible.

[Monkeypunch]

I agree...movies with songs where the characters perform the song as a band, aren't going to be traditional musicals so won't be in.

A Hard Day's Night, Purple Rain, The Wall, This is Spinal Tap would not be eligible. I haven't seen Eddie the Cruisers but based on what I read it sounds like a movie where a band performs it's songs, so no it wouldn't be eligible.

So would the Blues Brothers be not considered a musical? It has elements of both...

[Citizen Rules]

I'm glad you asked. I love the Blues Brothers, but its not a musical but more a movie with music. So it would not qualify.

[Citizen Rules]

This might help explain to everyone what will qualify as a musical for this Hall of Fame, Hof.

From an Wiki article:

"The musical film is a film genre in which songs sung by the characters are interwoven into the narrative, sometimes accompanied by dancing.

The songs usually advance the plot or develop the film's characters, though in some cases they serve merely as breaks in the storyline, often as elaborate "production numbers..."

Does that help explain?

[Captain Steel]

I'm going to nominate one of my all-time favorites:
1776

from 1972

[gbgoodies]

I'm going to nominate one of my all-time favorites:
1776

from 1972


Well, that just narrowed down my short list by 1. :up:

[Citizen Rules]

Hi Captain, I've never heard of it. It sounds interesting. It says it's a "The film version of the Broadway musical comedy of the same name." so that sounds like a musical to me.

[gbgoodies]

Hi Captain, I've never heard of it. It sounds interesting. It says it's a "The film version of the Broadway musical comedy of the same name." so that sounds like a musical to me.


You've never heard of the musical 1776? It's about the signing of the Declaration of Independence, and it's great. You should definitely see it.

My favorite song is "But Mr. Adams".

[Citizen Rules]

Umm, yah I never heard of it, but don't tell anybody that;)

Sounds like a good one, especially if two people considered it. Captain do you have ready access to movies? Some of the films in these Hofs can be hard to find, but not always. I get most mine from the library or off the net.

[Captain Steel]

Hi Rules. My access is fairly limited to what I can find on cable or at the library also.

P.S. One of the reasons I love 1776 so much is it was my first introduction to the American Revolution. I first saw it a Radio City Music Hall as a kid and it really got me interested in our country's beginnings. I've learned it takes a couple minor liberties with some facts for dramatic effect, but for the most part is historically accurate. It's also quite funny - you'll laugh, you'll cry and all the songs are catchy (as gb said, "But Mr. Adams" is a classic). I have the soundtrack on CD - but it's a Broadway version, so it's got a different actor playing (and singing) Ben Franklin from the movie.

[SilentVamp]

I'm going to nominate one of my all-time favorites:
1776

from 1972
No! No! NO!!!!!
THIS was the movie that I was going to nominate! THIS was the one that I was talking about (that I said I was leaning towards)! And I pretty much made up my mind tonight to nominate it. No! :( What were the odds??? :bawling: Well, I suppose not so bad since gbgoodies was had it on the list, too! :)

Now I really have to work harder on picking one.

Well, one down and 9 more to choose from. :)

[gbgoodies]

I can't even imagine anyone other than Howard Da Silva as Ben Franklin, and William Daniels will always be John Adams to me, regardless of all the other roles that he's known for, including KITT from "Knight Rider", and Mr. Feeny from "Boy Meets World".

[gbgoodies]

No! No! NO!!!!!
THIS was the movie that I was going to nominate! THIS was the one that I was talking about (that I said I was leaning towards)! And I pretty much made up my mind tonight to nominate it. No! :( What were the odds??? :bawling: Well, I suppose not so bad since gbgoodies was had it on the list, too! :)

Now I really have to work harder on picking one.

Well, one down and 9 more to choose from. :)


It was pretty high on my list too. (In the top 3 that I was considering.)

This is why we were told to have backups ready. ;)

[Citizen Rules]

Wow, you seen it at Radio City Music Hall. I bet that was so cool to see in person. I never knew you liked musicals, or is it just 1776?

It would be great to have you in this Musical HOF. Everyone who joins nominates a movie. Last time there were 12 films total. The titles will then be posted on another thread so that you can find a copy of the film. Then we watch them all!
Usually there's like a week per movie and then we vote.

GBG has helped me to find movies online. I bet if you said pretty please:) she'd help you. She's really one of the most helpful people on this board.

[SilentVamp]

Howard Da Silva was actually in the original cast of "1776", too, but he left the show for awhile. That is why Rex Everhart is on the cast recording.

[gbgoodies]

GBG has helped me to find movies online. I bet if you said pretty please:) she'd help you. She's really one of the most helpful people on this board.


I have a lot of musicals on DVD, but I'll be happy to help find movies if I can.

[gbgoodies]

Howard Da Silva was actually in the original cast of "1776", too, but he left the show for awhile. That is why Rex Everhart is on the cast recording.


I don't think I've heard Rex Everhart. Is he as good as Howard Da Silva?

[Citizen Rules]

You were going to choose 1776 too SilentVamp? Three people had it as their choices and I never heard of it, maybe I should get out of the house more often.;)

[Captain Steel]

No! No! NO!!!!!
THIS was the movie that I was going to nominate! THIS was the one that I was talking about (that I said I was leaning towards)! And I pretty much made up my mind tonight to nominate it. No! :( What were the odds??? :bawling: Well, I suppose not so bad since gbgoodies was had it on the list, too! :)

Now I really have to work harder on picking one.

Well, one down and 9 more to choose from. :)

My apologies, Vamp.
(Oh my, I've been such a disturbing element since I got here. :()

But I do compliment your good taste!!! :)

[SilentVamp]

It was pretty high on my list too. (In the top 3 that I was considering.)

This is why we were told to have backups ready. ;)
I was a little afraid that someone else would consider it, but I just kept thinking that there were so many other musicals that maybe, just maybe, nobody else would even think about that one. I suppose it is my own ignorance only because I know so very few people - beyond my family - who has even heard of this movie.

Yeah, I know. I really have to think about all of the backups now. You would think with 9 more films on a list it shouldn't be too hard to decide on one of them! :)

I think it is funny, though, because I think it was posted earlier that maybe everyone would nominate the same movie. Whoever would've thought it would've been "1776"?! :p

[gbgoodies]

You were going to choose 1776 too SilentVamp? Three people had it as their choices and I never heard of it, maybe I should get out of the house more often.;)


Maybe you should watch the movie. :D

[Captain Steel]

I don't think I've heard Rex Everhart. Is he as good as Howard Da Silva?

Personally, gb, I never saw Rex Everhart's performance (only heard it on the recording). But like you, after seeing the movie, Howard Da Silva will always be the only Ben Franklin for me. And when you hear Everhart's voice in the songs, it's distinctly different. I was a little disappointed those many years ago when I got home with the CD and found I'd purchased a Broadway cast recording and that Da Silva wasn't on it.

But it's one of those things where we see Da Silva was OUR first and only Ben Franklin. If it had been reversed (and Everhart was our first Ben Franklin) we would probably feel let down if he was replaced by anyone else.

Still... everyone is great in the movie, but Da Silva's Franklin really steals the show!!! :D

[SilentVamp]

I don't think I've heard Rex Everhart. Is he as good as Howard Da Silva?
Rex Everhart was his understudy. He is fine, I think. I can listen to the album whenever I want to. So, I guess I am used to him. But as far as seeing an actual performance as Franklin, I have no opinion on that except to say that I think it would be awfully hard to live up to Da Silva. He is so perfect as Benjamin Franklin.

You were going to choose 1776 too SilentVamp? Three people had it as their choices and I never heard of it, maybe I should get out of the house more often.;)
You have no idea what you are in for with this movie. It is so good. It really is. And the real highlight (at least I think so) is William Daniels as John Adams. His performance is priceless!

My apologies, Vamp.
(Oh my, I've been such a disturbing element since I got here. :()

But I do compliment your good taste!!! :)
That is OK. :) And thanks. I will gladly welcome your compliment as I know your taste is as good as mine. ;)

[gbgoodies]

I think it is funny, though, because I think it was posted earlier that maybe everyone would nominate the same movie. Whoever would've thought it would've been "1776"?! :p


Hey, you're right. I think it was Ðèstîñy who posted that earlier. My mother taught me that if you think something bad might happen, you shouldn't mention it out loud because it can cause it to happen, kind of like a karma thing, (like you're not supposed to talk about the no hitter in baseball), so it must be Ðèstîñy's fault that we all want to nominate the same movie. :lol:

[Captain Steel]

I was a little afraid that someone else would consider it, but I just kept thinking that there were so many other musicals that maybe, just maybe, nobody else would even think about that one. I suppose it is my own ignorance only because I know so very few people - beyond my family - who has even heard of this movie.

Yeah, I know. I really have to think about all of the backups now. You would think with 9 more films on a list it shouldn't be too hard to decide on one of them! :)

I think it is funny, though, because I think it was posted earlier that maybe everyone would nominate the same movie. Whoever would've thought it would've been "1776"?! :p

Well... July 4th IS fast approaching! Prime time of year for a re-viewing of '76! Possibly why it was so quick to jump into a few people's minds.

(That's also a hint to Rules - there's no better time to watch it than on or around Independence Day!)

[Citizen Rules]

If Captain is in then I will be watching it. I'm looking forward to it too.

Oh...your guy's nominations are not secret, so you can mention them here on this thread, then you're musical choice will be yours. Or you can PM me your nomination.

I will choose my nomination last, so that way I don't pick something somebody else had in mind. That's what I did in the Film Noir HOF and Sci-Fi HOF.

Catch ya all later, good night.

[gbgoodies]

Personally, gb, I never saw Rex Everhart's performance (only heard it on the recording). But like you, after seeing the movie, Howard Da Silva will always be the only Ben Franklin for me. And when you hear Everhart's voice in the songs, it's distinctly different. I was a little disappointed those many years ago when I got home with the CD and found I'd purchased a Broadway cast recording and that Da Silva wasn't on it.

But it's one of those things where we see Da Silva was OUR first and only Ben Franklin. If it had been reversed (and Everhart was our first Ben Franklin) we would probably feel let down if he was replaced by anyone else.

Still... everyone is great in the movie, but Da Silva's Franklin really steals the show!!! :D


Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's like watching a remake of a movie before seeing the original, and not being able to understand why everyone else thinks that the original is better.

[gbgoodies]

Well... July 4th IS fast approaching! Prime time of year for a re-viewing of '76! Possibly why it was so quick to jump into a few people's minds.

(That's also a hint to Rules - there's no better time to watch it than on or around Independence Day!)


Turner Classic Movies usually airs 1776 every July 4th, along with Yankee Doodle Dandy with James Cagney. I watch both of those movies every year on July 4th.

[gbgoodies]

If Captain is in then I will be watching it. I'm looking forward to it too.

Oh...your guy's nominations are not secret, so you can mention them here on this thread, then you're musical choice will be yours. Or you can PM me your nomination.

I will choose my nomination last, so that way I don't pick something somebody else had in mind. That's what I did in the Film Noir HOF and Sci-Fi HOF.

Catch ya all later, good night.


I thought I had time to narrow down my list, but now I have to choose fast or someone else could pick my choice. :eek:

Wait, maybe that could help narrow down my list and make it easier to pick a movie to nominate. :)

Good Night :yawn:

[rauldc14]

I'm tempted to join, but I'll wait for the western HOF

[cricket]

I'm glad you asked. I love the Blues Brothers, but its not a musical but more a movie with music. So it would not qualify.

I don't think anybody would try to nominate that since it's already in a HoF, but that's a tough one. Besides musical numbers from Calloway, Hooker, and The Blues Brothers, you do have the sudden musical style performances from Brown, Charles, and Franklin. Plus, unlike many other musicals, music is a central theme of the story.

[Swan]

Is there going to be a second specific HoF going alongside this?

[gbgoodies]

I'm tempted to join, but I'll wait for the western HOF

I don't think they're overlapping. You can join both if you want to.

[SilentVamp]

Well... July 4th IS fast approaching! Prime time of year for a re-viewing of '76! Possibly why it was so quick to jump into a few people's minds.

(That's also a hint to Rules - there's no better time to watch it than on or around Independence Day!)
Actually, I just really love this movie and I wanted others to see it, too. :)

Turner Classic Movies usually airs 1776 every July 4th, along with Yankee Doodle Dandy with James Cagney. I watch both of those movies every year on July 4th.
Yeah, I was going to mention this, also. I figured that in case someone shouldn't have a chance to obtain the film, TCM would be showing it. I, too, will be watching these that day. It is definitely an annual thing for me. :)

[Ðèstîñy]

Firstly, yep CitRules, I initially mentioned that Eddie and the Cruisers isn't a true musical, yet instead a movie about music . . . and a lot of other cool things. You should really watch it, but not for this. ;)

You were going to choose 1776 too SilentVamp? Three people had it as their choices and I never heard of it, maybe I should get out of the house more often.;)

Hey, you're right. I think it was Ðèstîñy who posted that earlier. My mother taught me that if you think something bad might happen, you shouldn't mention it out loud because it can cause it to happen, kind of like a karma thing, (like you're not supposed to talk about the no hitter in baseball), so it must be Ðèstîñy's fault that we all want to nominate the same movie. :lol:

Ahha! My plan worked!

Well... July 4th IS fast approaching! Prime time of year for a re-viewing of '76! Possibly why it was so quick to jump into a few people's minds.

. . . or it could just be what he said!

Oh...your guy's nominations are not secret, so you can mention them here on this thread, then you're musical choice will be yours. Or you can PM me your nomination.

I wanted to add this to the discussion on rules. I just don't see why we bother pming them in, and all that. Half the fun, is picking them out, and discussing it. You know I'm right!


Wait, maybe that could help narrow down my list and make it easier to pick a movie to nominate. :)

This right here is what made me think about my last comment. It helps in two ways, honestly. One, we can weed through all the choices a lot better, nail our selection before someone else gets it, or at least know we missed out, with plenty of time to dwell on another choice. Two, there's always a two . . . Don't hate me for bringing this back up . . . When I first joined, a few people kept asking me, and reminding me on how I need to know I want to be in these Hall of Fames. I kept getting told that I best not have people watching The Thing, and then bailing. Anyway, picture this . . . You really believe you want to be a part of the Hall of Fame, and then here we are, a lot of us picking out movies you just know you don't want to watch. You will have a good week or so to decide that, now won't you!?! It's just a thought.

I'm tempted to join, but I'll wait for the western HOF

You booby! Join in, my dear Raul!

Is there going to be a second specific HoF going alongside this?

Hopefully, and if we're lucky, bloody scenes will be a big part of it. ;)

[gbgoodies]

Don't hate me for bringing this back up . . . When I first joined, a few people kept asking me, and reminding me on how I need to know I want to be in these Hall of Fames. I kept getting told that I best not have people watching The Thing, and then bailing. Anyway, picture this . . . You really believe you want to be a part of the Hall of Fame, and then here we are, a lot of us picking out movies you just know you don't want to watch. You will have a good week or so to decide that, now won't you!?! It's just a thought.



As much I knew that The Thing wasn't going to be my kind of movie, I never even once thought about bailing from the HoF.

For me, the whole point of these HoFs is not only to get other people to watch a movie that I love, but also to watch movies that I wouldn't have chosen to watch on my own. If I bailed every time someone nominated a movie that I didn't think I'd like, I probably wouldn't finish any of these HoFs.

And there have been several movies that I didn't think I would like that surprised me. They'll probably never make my favorites list, but they were good movies.

For me to bail on a HoF based on a movie that I've never seen, someone would have to nominate a movie like Arachnophobia.

[Citizen Rules]

So...how much time do you guys need to decide on your nominations? No rush:). I just want to know when I should be making the actual Musical HOF thread.

[Citizen Rules]

For me to bail on a HoF based on a movie that I've never seen, someone would have to nominate a movie like Arachnophobia. That's why I started the tradition of not keeping secret the movies that are nominated for the HOF. I think a person should have the right to know what they are about to watch before joining an HOF.

All the other HOFS have kept the movies secret until after you've joined and the actual HOF starts. That's the persons running the HOF choice. My choice is that the movies will be posted before the HOF starts.

[rauldc14]

I like keeping it a secret, but I also like the idea of knowing ahead of time. I think for musicals it would be best to know ahead of time as it is a small crowd of fans of the genre.

[Citizen Rules]

Raul you should join!

Yea, a lot of people like the 'secret reveal' as it's fun for them, I can understand that. For me personally, I haven't join any hofs except the ones I ran because I was concerned I would be committing to watching something I couldn't watch.

But like I said it's up to the individual running each of the Hofs on how they do it. I do think some experimentation is good and makes for fun and for a learning experience too.

I have a couple new ideas for this Hof that I've not done before. I hope they work OK.

[gbgoodies]

So...how much time do you guys need to decide on your nominations? No rush:). I just want to know when I should be making the actual Musical HOF thread.


I have my short list ready, so I can make a spur of the moment decision whenever you're ready to start.

[Ðèstîñy]

For me to bail on a HoF based on a movie that I've never seen, someone would have to nominate a movie like Arachnophobia.

Yeah, that was my point, too. Well, hopefully there's not a bunch of foreign gore musicals out there. :p

p.s. I love that movie, and I love spiders.

I suppose I am ready, whenever. I'm curious about your new ideas.

[Citizen Rules]

So new ideas:

1) I'm going to list the movie nominations chronologically and suggest that we watch them in that order...It's a good way to get the feel of musical films evolution from the 'talkie days' to more modern times. Plus if some of us watch the same film at around the same time, maybe we can have some rip-roaring fun conversations!
But it's optional and you guys can watch them in any order you want.

2) Not really a new idea, but an old one that I haven't done before. Along with your nomination you will PM me a brief write up on why you chose the film, or why you like it. Just a simple paragraph, not a review. Then when I make the actual thread I will include that under the movie poster. It lets others see why you are excited about your film and hopefully get them excitied about watching it.

I might have another idea or two...:)

[Thursday Next]

Yeah, that was my point, too. Well, hopefully there's not a bunch of foreign gore musicals out there. :p


That sounds like a challenge... Can't think of anything that ticks both those boxes off the top of my head, but I could always nominate Repo!

[gbgoodies]

Yeah, that was my point, too. Well, hopefully there's not a bunch of foreign gore musicals out there. :p

That sounds like a challenge... Can't think of anything that ticks both those boxes off the top of my head, but I could always nominate Repo!


Think of it as a request for what not to nominate. (Although Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007) would be okay.)

[gbgoodies]

So new ideas:

1) I'm going to list the movie nominations chronologically and suggest that we watch them in that order...It's a good way to get the feel of musical films evolution from the 'talkie days' to more modern times. Plus if some of us watch the same film at around the same time, maybe we can have some rip-roaring fun conversations!
But it's optional and you guys can watch them in any order you want.

2) Not really a new idea, but an old one that I haven't done before. Along with your nomination you will PM me a brief write up on why you chose the film, or why you like it. Just a simple paragraph, not a review. Then when I make the actual thread I will include that under the movie poster. It lets others see why you are excited about your film and hopefully get them excitied about watching it.

I might have another idea or two...:)


Two great ideas. :up:

It would be nice if we could all watch the movies in sync so we're all on the same page for a change.

[SilentVamp]

Ahha! My plan worked!
Then you must be an evil genius. ;)

For me, the whole point of these HoFs is not only to get other people to watch a movie that I love, but also to watch movies that I wouldn't have chosen to watch on my own. If I bailed every time someone nominated a movie that I didn't think I'd like, I probably wouldn't finish any of these HoFs.
I already plan on thinking at least once "Oh, God, not that movie!!". :) I know there will be one that will make me feel as though I am "gumming" my way through something as horrible as bratwurst. :p But I WILL watch it no matter what as I have committed myself to it now. :D

So...how much time do you guys need to decide on your nominations? No rush:). I just want to know when I should be making the actual Musical HOF thread.
I am down to a top 3. So, if it was all of a sudden needed - my decision - I think I could make it.

Think of it as a request for what not to nominate. (Although Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007) would be okay.)
That is exactly what I thought when I read that. :)


As for movies where there is music in it, but isn't necessarily a musical (i.e. Eddie and the Cruisers), that could be a whole separate HoF when you think about it. There are plenty of movies out there where music is a central part of it (as in the fact that they are based around music), but they aren't what people would consider a "traditional" musical. I have 5 movies in my head right now that would be in that category.

[Citizen Rules]

I really hope so too. I seem to watch my movies a month after everyone else and then miss out in the discussion. I'd like to see some fun conversation.

As for movies where there is music in it, but isn't necessarily a musical (i.e. Eddie and the Cruisers), that could be a whole separate HoF when you think about it. There are plenty of movies out there where music is a central part of it (as in the fact that they are based around music), but they aren't what people would consider a "traditional" musical... Absoultely agree! I would love to see an Hof in the future like that. You know I never have seen Eddie and the Cruisers.

[gbgoodies]

I am down to a top 3. So, if it was all of a sudden needed - my decision - I think I could make it.

You're better than me. I just counted my list, and I've got it narrowed down to 12. But I'm sure that I could make a spur of the moment decision if I had to, especially if everyone else lists their nominations first to narrow down my list.


As for movies where there is music in it, but isn't necessarily a musical (i.e. Eddie and the Cruisers), that could be a whole separate HoF when you think about it. There are plenty of movies out there where music is a central part of it (as in the fact that they are based around music), but they aren't what people would consider a "traditional" musical. I have 5 movies in my head right now that would be in that category.

This is a good idea. It lets us nominate the musicals that weren't eligible in this one.

I'd also like to have an Animated Musical Movies HoF. There are plenty of Disney, and non-Disney animated musicals that are terrific.

[gbgoodies]

You know I never have seen Eddie and the Cruisers.


You haven't seen Eddie and the Cruisers? You need to watch more musicals.

[Citizen Rules]

Did that movie have the song On the Dark Side?

I just asked Mrs Rules what I should nominate and she named off some of the greats. Showboat, Oklahoma, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, Music Man....But none of those are on my short list. I hope some of the greats get nominated by someone.:p

[gbgoodies]

Did that movie have the song On the Dark Side?

Yes, "On the Dark Side" is from Eddie and the Cruisers.


I just asked Mrs Rules what I should nominate and she named off some of the greats. Showboat, Oklahoma, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, Music Man....But none of those are on my short list. I hope some of the greats get nominated by someone.:p

Oklahoma! and The Music Man are both still on my short list.

I'm probably going to end up nominating Damn Yankees!, but I'm not completely settled on that yet.

[Citizen Rules]

Damn Yankees! Good one! I seen it only once but I really liked the movie. It's a fun story too. Why do I think Ethel Merman when I see the movie poster?

I usually listen to Mrs Rules, but I've have my film picked so I'm not choosing any of those.

[gbgoodies]

Damn Yankees! Good one! I seen it only once but I really liked the movie. It's a fun story too. Why do I think Ethel Merman when I see the movie poster?


Maybe because the poses look similar?

Gwen Verdon in Damn Yankees!
http://images.moviepostershop.com/damn-yankees-movie-poster-1958-1010544986.jpg


Ethel Merman in Annie Get Your Gun:
http://cdn.discogs.com/fr4CsrP2jSm8uNNfZWGTVAVVjWA=/fit-in/500x503/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(96)/discogs-images/R-3756907-1428260440-5386.jpeg.jpg


And this is Betty Hutton in Annie Get Your Gun
https://pendulo.com/images/big/annie.jpg



I usually listen to Mrs Rules, but I've have my film picked so I'm not choosing any of those.

So what's on your short list?

[SilentVamp]

I'd also like to have an Animated Musical Movies HoF. There are plenty of Disney, and non-Disney animated musicals that are terrific.
There is that animated one that is going to happen, right? I thought I read that somewhere (maybe in here - I don't know! :)). Anyway, I kind of think that maybe musical animation should be separated from other animation. But would that be getting too specific now?


Alright. To hell with it! I see the title floating around now. I might as well just nominate it so that I don't have the same thing happen to me twice. I will nominate "The Music Man". There! It is done. :)

I will keep the other two movies choices to myself, though, in case we have another one of these and maybe I will use one of them then. :)

[Citizen Rules]

She does look like Ethel Merman, but much hotter:cool: On the other hand Merman can belt out the songs.

I've seen Betty Hutton in Annie Get Your Gun. I was surprised at just how much I liked her in that role as she was mainly a comedian. I'm sure you know this, Judy Garland started filming the movie but had too many alcohol/pill problems and was replaced with Betty Hutton.

[Citizen Rules]

There is that animated one that is going to happen, right? I thought I read that somewhere (maybe in here - I don't know! :)). Anyway, I kind of think that maybe musical animation should be separated from other animation. I think so too.


Alright. To hell with it! I see the title floating around now. I might as well just nominate it so that I don't have the same thing happen to me twice. I will nominate "The Music Man". There! It is done. :) Yah, we got another one! I predict that will score high.

[gbgoodies]

There is that animated one that is going to happen, right? I thought I read that somewhere (maybe in here - I don't know! :)). Anyway, I kind of think that maybe musical animation should be separated from other animation. But would that be getting too specific now?

I'd like to see them separated. I think the musical animated movies might get lost in the shuffle with non-musical animated movies. There are enough movies in both categories to have separate HoFs.


Alright. To hell with it! I see the title floating around now. I might as well just nominate it so that I don't have the same thing happen to me twice. I will nominate "The Music Man". There! It is done. :)

I will keep the other two movies choices to myself, though, in case we have another one of these and maybe I will use one of them then. :)

Great choice. The Music Man is one of my favorites, and it was on my short list. Robert Preston was born to play Professor Harold Hill.

[gbgoodies]

She does look like Ethel Merman, but much hotter:cool: On the other hand Merman can belt out the songs.

I've seen Betty Hutton in Annie Get Your Gun. I was surprised at just how much I liked her in that role as she was mainly a comedian. I'm sure you know this, Judy Garland started filming the movie but had too many alcohol/pill problems and was replaced with Betty Hutton.


Yes, there are some deleted scenes with Judy Garland on the DVD.

While it might have been great with Judy Garland too, I love Betty Hutton in Annie Get Your Gun, and I'm not upset about the casting change at all.

[SilentVamp]

Yah, we got another one! I predict that will score high.
I certainly hope so! :D Now I just have to get around to writing why I chose it. :)

I'd like to see them separated. I think the musical animated movies might get lost in the shuffle with non-musical animated movies. There are enough movies in both categories to have separate HoFs.
Well, maybe that is another HoF to consider with the music-based movies.

Great choice. The Music Man is one of my favorites, and it was on my short list. Robert Preston was born to play Professor Harold Hill.
Truthfully, considering "1776", Robert Preston's portrayal of Harold Hill is the only other performance that is on the same level as William Daniels in the history of musicals. For me, they are just too good with their performances.

[gbgoodies]

Truthfully, considering "1776", Robert Preston's portrayal of Harold Hill is the only other performance that is on the same level as William Daniels in the history of musicals. For me, they are just too good with their performances.


I think the only other performance that's on par with those is James Cagney in Yankee Doodle Dandy.

[SilentVamp]

I think the only other performance that's on par with those is James Cagney in Yankee Doodle Dandy.
Yeah, I suppose you're right. :) There are some good performances in musicals, but there are very few that command the screen like those guys do. At least I don't think so. :)

[mark f]

Liza Minnelli & Joel Grey, Cabaret
Rex Harrison, My Fair Lady

[Citizen Rules]

Excellent choices Mark. We need members, hint, hint:)

[gbgoodies]

Liza Minnelli & Joel Grey, Cabaret
Rex Harrison, My Fair Lady


I thought of those too, and they're great as honorable mentions, but I don't think they rate quite as high as William Daniels in 1776, Robert Preston in The Music Man, or James Cagney in Yankee Doodle Dandy. (Maybe Joel Grey in Cabaret is on par with the other three.)

Another one that I thought about was Ray Walston in Damn Yankees!, but I'd put him in the honorable mentions too.

[mark f]

Well I'd put Carl Anderson in JC Superstar and Paul Robeson in Show Boat in the pantheon too, but that's why I won't do HoFs - I'm not Emperor. :cool:

[SilentVamp]

Maybe Joel Grey in Cabaret is on par with the other three
You know how there is one thing that kind of scars you from childhood? Mine is Joel Grey in "Cabaret". I swear that man has given me the creeps in that movie since I was a little kid! :p

Well I'd put Carl Anderson in JC Superstar
He is a pretty good one to mention. I think it is a shame that more people don't pay attention to the performances in that movie (particularly Anderson's).

[jiraffejustin]

Robin Williams and Shelley Duvall, Popeye

[mark f]

Quiet, lines.

[Ðèstîñy]

So new ideas:

1) I'm going to list the movie nominations chronologically and suggest that we watch them in that order...It's a good way to get the feel of musical films evolution from the 'talkie days' to more modern times. Plus if some of us watch the same film at around the same time, maybe we can have some rip-roaring fun conversations!
But it's optional and you guys can watch them in any order you want.

You know I want to do this. I have wanted to, all along. Good going!

2) Not really a new idea, but an old one that I haven't done before. Along with your nomination you will PM me a brief write up on why you chose the film, or why you like it. Just a simple paragraph, not a review. Then when I make the actual thread I will include that under the movie poster. It lets others see why you are excited about your film and hopefully get them excitied about watching it.

That's cool. My story for Alice Sweet Alice was kind of silly, because it was more so about when I got it, and watched it, etc . . . It didn't get posted under my movie. I'll come up with something better for this one, but it will probably still be a story of when I watched it, why, etc . . . I watched it with my mother, something I bought for her, and she died on June 25, 2013. I want to post about that memory.

I might have another idea or two...:)

Great! Bring'em on! :)

[Camo]

Would Team America count? It has loads of songs in it sung by characters that are connected to the plot often in ridiculous ways but still? If it did I'd consider joining. Mostly because I want to try a few Musicals out but can never be inspired to do so because I know I'll have a better hit rate with non-musicals.

If not I'll probably watch and discuss a few on my own anyway.

[jiraffejustin]

Would Team America count? It has loads of songs in it sung by characters that are connected to the plot often in ridiculous ways but still? If it did I'd consider joining. Mostly because I want to try a few Musicals out but can never be inspired to do so because I know I'll have a better hit rate with non-musicals.

If not I'll probably watch and discuss a few on my own anyway.

I have a feeling it won't count, but you could go with South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut as an alternative.

[Camo]

I have a feeling it won't count, but you could go with South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut as an alternative.

I was thinking that tbh. Thing is I haven't really been feeling that lately I think I've just seen it too much, I have watched it at the very least once a year since its release 16 years ago. I'll see what is agreed upon then I'll consider joining with that.

[gbgoodies]

Would Team America count? It has loads of songs in it sung by characters that are connected to the plot often in ridiculous ways but still? If it did I'd consider joining. Mostly because I want to try a few Musicals out but can never be inspired to do so because I know I'll have a better hit rate with non-musicals.

If not I'll probably watch and discuss a few on my own anyway.


Is Team America animated? Animated movies are ineligible.

[gbgoodies]

I have a feeling it won't count, but you could go with South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut as an alternative.


Animated movies are ineligible, and I'm almost positive that South Park is animated.

[Camo]

Is Team America animated? Animated movies are ineligible.

It didn't count on the Animated Countdown or it would've been my #1, also no it's puppets :p . Why aren't animated films allowed?

[gbgoodies]

It didn't count on the Animated Countdown or it would've been my #1, also no it's puppets :p . Why aren't animated films allowed?

You have to ask Citizen Rules that question. He put that rule into the opening post.

I'm not sure if puppets are allowed.


This thread is about discussing the upcoming, Musical Hall of Fame.

It's been a long time in the planning and I'm excited to host it! The same general HOF rules will apply. So lets discuss what is and isn't a musical:

I like to keep this to actual musical, theatrical release movies, live action. Yes there's lots of Disney animations that have songs in them but that goes off into another tangent. Soon there will be an animation Hof and those can go in there.

So what's a musical?

A musical has the characters in the movie actually singing several or more songs, and as part of the movies story, not just singing a song on stage (like a band or performer).

A song played in the background, like American Graffiti would not be a musical. Movies like:A Hard Day's Night, Purple Rain, The Wall, This is Spinal Tap, would not be eligible.

[Camo]

That's fine I doubt I'll be joining this anyway. I hate seeing rules tacked on like that (no offence Citizen), IMO an Animated Musical is the same as an Animated Sci-Fi film like Gunbuster, and it's certainly no different from a Live Action Musical.

Anyway I think you should ask Gideon; Citizen if you haven't already he seems to really like his Musicals but rarely participates outside his lists and reviews.

[gbgoodies]

That's fine I doubt I'll be joining this anyway. I hate seeing rules tacked on like that (no offence Citizen), IMO an Animated Musical is the same as an Animated Sci-Fi film like Gunbuster, and it's certainly no different from a Live Action Musical.

We've been discussing that a little bit in this thread, and we kind of agreed that we'll probably have a separate HoF for Animated Musicals at a later date.

But ask him about Team America. If it's not animated, he might allow it.


Anyway I think you should ask Gideon; Citizen if you haven't already he seems to really like his Musicals but rarely participates outside his lists and reviews.

I think he already asked Gideon. I hope Gideon joins because he seems to be an expert in musicals, and I think he'll add a lot to the discussions.

[Citizen Rules]

That's fine I doubt I'll be joining this anyway. I hate seeing rules tacked on like that (no offence Citizen), IMO an Animated Musical is the same as an Animated Sci-Fi film like Gunbuster, and it's certainly no different from a Live Action Musical.

Anyway I think you should ask Gideon; Citizen if you haven't already he seems to really like his Musicals but rarely participates outside his lists and reviews.Camo hi, the reason for no animated musicals in this one, is this is a specialty Hof so it's more narrowly focused on just one style/type...mainstream musicals. I agree the regular Hofs should be open to animation and indeed they are. But the whole idea of the specialty ones were to get a more focused genre/style as the criteria. It depends on who runs the Hof. I think a lot of people would like an animation hof and also a musical animation hof. I won't be suggesting Oklahoma for either of those.

Gideon was one of the first person I asked, I hope Gideon joins.

[Camo]

Thanks for the explanations GBG (btw my tablet always capitalizes GBG ) and Citizen . Can I ask if there was a vote from the interested parties on whether Animated Musicals should count or not?

[Citizen Rules]

You're the only one to mention it, maybe GBG talked about it to. It has been decided in a thread started by Godoggo some time ago that there should be an animation hof one day. GBG mentioned a musical animation as there are many Disney films. And you know one day Guap should do his own anime hof. Some of these could be run in the near future. I think the hof 'love' should be spread around and other people run some of those.

[gbgoodies]

Thanks for the explanations GBG (btw my tablet always capitalizes GBG ) and Citizen . Can I ask if there was a vote from the interested parties on whether Animated Musicals should count or not?


We didn't vote on it, but nobody seemed to be upset about it, until now. I was a bit surprised when I first read that rule, but there are so many great musicals that I never really gave it a second thought. Thinking about it now, I kind of think it's a good idea to separate the animated musicals from the live-action musicals, and have two separate HoFs. (IMO, other than Disney's Beauty and the Beast, most of the animated musicals don't measure up to the classic live-action musicals.)

However if Team America isn't animated, then it may be eligible, so it may not matter anyway.

BTW, I usually use all caps for GBG also, so it's all good. :up:

[Citizen Rules]

I never know if I should type gbg or GBG. So people call you Goodies, which sounds cool to. Are both OK?

[gbgoodies]

I just had a strange idea. I'm just curious if anyone thinks this might be fun.

It doesn't look like we're going to have too many people joining this HoF, so what if we each nominated two movies, one live-action, and one animated?

We could either rank them separately or all together, based on what everyone thinks is a good idea.

[gbgoodies]

I never know if I should type gbg or GBG. So people call you Goodies, which sounds cool to. Are both OK?


Yes, they're all good. I'm not picky, as long as I can figure out that you're talking to me. :up:

[Citizen Rules]

GBG, you're welcomed to run a musical animation hof at the same time as this one. I'm good with that. I wouldn't join as I don't care for animation but I understand that people do. So if you want to run it that is OK.

[rauldc14]

If it's a smaller group I may join yet. I just don't want to give myself too much of a workload with the 7th HOF and my Nolan and Ford viewing. But I won't be sending in a documentary list, so I won't have to worry about that.

[gbgoodies]

GBG, you're welcomed to run a musical animation hof at the same time as this one. I'm good with that. I wouldn't join as I don't care for animation but I understand that people do. So if you want to run it that is OK.


It was just a crazy idea that popped into my head as a way to make everyone happy. I was wondering if anyone thought it might be a good idea or not, but I guess not.

I don't know if enough people would even be interested in doing both HoFs at the same time.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

[Camo]

Can I ask if Animated Musicals could be allowed? Mainly so I can join this? I think I have shown that I am fair enough and that I will see things through?

[jiraffejustin]

Yeah, I think animated musicals should be allowed if the characters are doing the singing. Such as South Park.

[Camo]

I just had a strange idea. I'm just curious if anyone thinks this might be fun.

It doesn't look like we're going to have too many people joining this HoF, so what if we each nominated two movies, one live-action, and one animated?

We could either rank them separately or all together, based on what everyone thinks is a good idea.

I see that you are trying to compromise. But I disagree with it getting to the point that it is necessary, if I'm right this is the only HOF that has excluded things that are clearly part of it. If this is the case I think this should be renamed as the Live-Action Musical HOF for accuracy.

[SilentVamp]

It was just a crazy idea that popped into my head as a way to make everyone happy. I was wondering if anyone thought it might be a good idea or not, but I guess not.

I don't know if enough people would even be interested in doing both HoFs at the same time.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?
I would be willing to do both at the same time. I just would hope that I'd have enough time available in the coming weeks to do both. I have the possibility of something else taking some of my time away from me (jury duty), and I don't know how my time will be if things have to be altered for awhile.

[Citizen Rules]

I didn't go to the slasher hof and tell you how to run it JJ, so show me the same respect. The rules for entry are live action musical as stated on the first page. And I'm not arguing about it. Why don't you go make your own hof like you did last time. Maybe an animated slasher musical with puppets.

[jiraffejustin]

I see that you are trying to compromise. But I disagree with it getting to the point that it is necessary, if I'm right this is the only HOF that has excluded things that are clearly part of it. If this is the case I think this should be renamed as the Live-Action Musical HOF for accuracy.

I agree with this. If that's what you want to do that's fine, but I'd prefer if we just allow animation.

[jiraffejustin]

I didn't go to the slasher hof and tell you how to run it JJ, so show me the same respect. The rules for entry are live action musical as stated on the first page. And I'm not arguing about it. Why don't you go make your own hof like you did last time. Maybe an animated slasher musical with puppets.

You need to lighten up, man.

[gbgoodies]

Before this gets out of hand, how many people would be interested in an animated musicals HoF running at the same time as this live-action musicals HoF?

If it's okay with Citizen Rules, (I don't want to step on anyone's toes), and if enough people are interested, I would be willing to run it, and I would allow extra time because there will be people joining both HoFs who would need more time.

[Swan]

Absolutely ridiculous that animated musicals aren't allowed. I have now ceased considering joining this.

[Swan]

Why don't you change the title to "Only Musicals Citizen Rules Likes HoF". Would be more accurate.

[gbgoodies]

I see that you are trying to compromise. But I disagree with it getting to the point that it is necessary, if I'm right this is the only HOF that has excluded things that are clearly part of it. If this is the case I think this should be renamed as the Live-Action Musical HOF for accuracy.


My understanding is that it's always been up to the person running the HoF to set the rules, so if Citizen Rules wants to exclude animated musicals, that's his decision.

Personally, I don't see the big deal as there are plenty of live-action musicals to choose from, but as the person who's usually the one complaining, I understand your need to speak your mind. :)

[mark f]

This always happens when you move so fast.

[rauldc14]

Let's let Citizen do his thing. It's no big deal guys.

[Camo]

I didn't go to the slasher hof and tell you how to run it JJ, so show me the same respect. The rules for entry are live action musical as stated on the first page. And I'm not arguing about it. Why don't you go make your own hof like you did last time. Maybe an animated slasher musical with puppets.

Unless you were denied entry to that thread you had just as much freedom as JJ does to express your opinion. A dissenting opinion does not equal disrespect just as an agreeing one doesn't equal respect.

The only problem I have with the rules as I've told you personally is that noons else has agreed to this.

[Swan]

My understanding is that it's always been up to the person running the HoF to set the rules, so if Citizen Rules wants to exclude animated musicals, that's his decision.

That's technically true, but the host needs to be level-headed about it and NOT EXLUDE STUFF JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE THAT PARTICULAR THING.

A lot of people like animated musicals. Animated musicals are just as much musicals as live-action musicals. To exclude live-action musicals is stupid and contrary to what the HoF is about.

Citizen isn't acting like a proper host. He's acting like a dictator.

[jiraffejustin]

Let's let Citizen do his thing. It's no big deal guys.

I don't have a problem with that. But he should call it what it is. If he doesn't want animation, tag it as live-action.

[Citizen Rules]

Before this gets out of hand, how many people would be interested in an animated musicals HoF running at the same time as this live-action musicals HoF?

If it's okay with Citizen Rules, (I don't want to step on anyone's toes), and if enough people are interested, I would be willing to run it, and I would allow extra time because there will be people joining both HoFs who would need more time. Yes it's fine with me, that is why I suggested it. In fact it's a good idea that there is two.

I was actually inspired to limit the focus of the musical hof from your suggestions about the sci fi hof as you thought it should have not been so broad in the scope of the type of sci fi movies allowed.
So that's what I did here, narrow the focus to mainstream musicals. See I'm damned when I do it one way or when I do it the other way.

[Citizen Rules]

That's technically true, but the host needs to be level-headed about it and NOT EXLUDE STUFF JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE THAT PARTICULAR THING.

A lot of people like animated musicals. Animated musicals are just as much musicals as live-action musicals. To exclude live-action musicals is stupid and contrary to what the HoF is about.

Citizen isn't acting like a proper host. He's acting like a dictator. So Swan and Camo you're calling Miss Vicky a dictator because she wouldn't allow a puppet movie into the animation countdown???

When you realize the logic of that, get back to me.

[Swan]

So Swan and Camo you're calling Miss Vicky a dictator because she wouldn't allow a puppet movie into the animation countdown???

When you realize the logic of that, get back to me.

Are you kidding? Puppets aren't animation. Animated musicals are still musicals.

There's the logic. Maybe your brain can't comprehend something so easy to comprehend, but for most of us, it's clear as day.

[gbgoodies]

Yes it's fine with me, that is why I suggested it. In fact it's a good idea that there is two.

I was actually inspired to limit the focus of the musical hof from your suggestions about the sci fi hof as you thought it should have not been so broad in the scope of the type of sci fi movies allowed.
So that's what I did here, narrow the focus to mainstream musicals. See I'm damned when I do it one way or when I do it the other way.


It's hard to please everyone. :shrug:

Personally, I think it's a good idea to keep them separate because in most cases, I don't think that the animated musicals are as good as most of the live-action musicals, and I think the animated musicals would end up at the bottom of most people's lists.

[Swan]

There's a difference between trying to make a specific HoF like "Time Travel HoF" and pretending to have an all-encompassing Musical HoF that is secretly just live-action. You're lying to people.

[gbgoodies]

So Swan and Camo you're calling Miss Vicky a dictator because she wouldn't allow a puppet movie into the animation countdown???

When you realize the logic of that, get back to me.


She also wouldn't allow Roger Rabbit. :(

[jiraffejustin]

Yes it's fine with me, that is why I suggested it. In fact it's a good idea that there is two.

I was actually inspired to limit the focus of the musical hof from your suggestions about the sci fi hof as you thought it should have not been so broad in the scope of the type of sci fi movies allowed.
So that's what I did here, narrow the focus to mainstream musicals. See I'm damned when I do it one way or when I do it the other way.

If you would like some advice, here it is:

1. Be transparent from the start. Including how you title things. If you plan to limit a hall of fame to something specific, that should be the very first thing you say.

2. Don't get so butthurt when someone disagrees with you, it's not a very good way to lead.

3. Less rules. Less limitations.

You can take this advice or leave it, but I don't think I've ever had a problem like this when I've ran anything here.

[Swan]

Personally, I think it's a good idea to keep them separate because in most cases, I don't think that the animated musicals are as good as most of the live-action musicals, and I think the animated musicals would end up at the bottom of most people's lists.

That's a silly, subjective reason though. You have to think objectively. Besides the fact that they're animated there is no difference between an animated musical and a live-action one, in terms of being musicals.

[Swan]

You also think some people wouldn't prefer an animated musical to a live-action one? Give me a break. Just because you don't like animated musicals, doesn't mean that's the case for everyone.

[Camo]

Camo????????????????

Fudging talk to me myself when I actually speak to you :rolleyes: .

Miss Vicky is a dictator but that has nothing to do with any Puppet movie I'm aware of. When logic is your enemy falsely apply it to the rest of the world :rolleyes:

[gbgoodies]

That's a silly, subjective reason though. You have to think objectively. Besides the fact that they're animated there is no difference between an animated musical and a live-action one, in terms of being musicals.


I love animated musicals. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with them.

I'm just stating my own opinion, and I think most animated musicals just don't have the same charm as the old classic live-action musicals.

[Swan]

I love animated musicals. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with them.

I'm just stating my own opinion, and I think most animated musicals just don't have the same charm as the old classic live-action musicals.

That's your opinion though, like you say. You can't force that stuff into reasoning as a host. Which you're not, I know. But Citizen can't say "I dislike animated musicals, therefore they can't be nominated."

[gbgoodies]

You also think some people wouldn't prefer an animated musical to a live-action one? Give me a break. Just because you don't like animated musicals, doesn't mean that's the case for everyone.


Is this for me?

Like I said, I just think that they're not on the same level. Animated musicals have a different "feel" than live-action musicals.

But that's just my opinion.

[Swan]

Is this for me?

Like I said, I just think that they're not on the same level. Animated musicals have a different "feel" than live-action musicals.

But that's just my opinion.

Case in point. ;)

[gbgoodies]

That's your opinion though, like you say. You can't force that stuff into reasoning as a host. Which you're not, I know. But Citizen can't say "I dislike animated musicals, therefore they can't be nominated."


So why can't we just have two separate HoFs? Would that make everyone happy?

[Citizen Rules]

She also wouldn't allow Roger Rabbit. :(
Exacetly that was my point, it was her running the countdown and she made the calls. I'm running this and I make the calls. People can join or not.

All three of you Swan, Camo and JJ are being trolls. You're disrupting this thread for your own fun. You're ****ing over those who want to enjoy this for your own amusement. That tells me everything I need to know about what kind of people you are.

[Swan]

So why can't we just have two separate HoFs? Would that make everyone happy?

I think doing it that way is stupid and unnecessary, but at least you're being honest about it.

Have it be properly labeled though. NEITHER of them should be called the "Musical HoF," as that should be all-encompassing. If you separate them, call them the "Live-Action Musical HoF" and the "Animated Musical HoF".

[Swan]

All three of you Swan, Camo and JJ are being trolls. You're disrupting this thread for your own fun. You're ****ing over those who want to enjoy this for your own amusement. That tells me everything I need to know about what kind of people you are.

Yeah, that's right. When we have an opinion against Lord Citizen, we're trolls. Give me another break. :rolleyes:

[Swan]

Exacetly that was my point, it was her running the countdown and she made the calls. I'm running this and I make the calls. People can join or not.

Yes but she had good reasons for not allowing hybrids. You don't have a good reason here.

[jiraffejustin]

When you call it a Musical Hall of Fame that implies that all musicals are eligible. You can then define what you think a musical is. You can then limit things like Duck Soup, which only has like one or two songs, Blues Brothers and Team America, where music is a big part of the film, but the characters aren't singing. Then you can say concert films don't count and saying no to films like Pink Floyd The Wall. Those all make sense, because those aren't really musicals. But South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut is very much a musical, because the characters are singing the song in the middle of the movie. Now if you just don't like animation and don't want to watch animation, just say it's a Live-Action Musical Hall of Fame. Problem solved. No more reason to ask for animation. However if more people would rather animation be included, you might not have a very big hall of fame. Which would kind of defeat the purpose of the hall of fames.

So why can't we just have two separate HoFs? Would that make everyone happy?

I don't think that many people really want two, I probably wouldn't join one that was limited to either live-action or animation. I'd rather have the variety all in one bundle.

[rauldc14]

Easy, Citizen.

Swan, JJ, and Call are good guys. You are too. Let's just keep on keeping on.

[jiraffejustin]

Hey, Citizen, you realize that this isn't all about you, right? It's not just about what you want, right? I've said several times that you can run the specific hall of fame that you want, but at least call it what it is. That doesn't seem difficult. Also, these Hall of Fames aren't just your thing. You don't get to just decide that they need some kind of overhaul or rule changes or anything like that.



AND

Okay, this isn't official obviously, but I'll run a little straw poll.

Which of these options would you participate in, if more than one what's your order of preference?

Live-Action Only Musical Hall of Fame
Animation Only Musical Hall of Fame
Live-Action & Animated Musical Hall of Fame
Two Musical Hall of Fames at the time: Live-Action Only & Animation Only

[Swan]

Hey, Citizen, you realize that this isn't all about you, right? It's not just about what you want, right? I've said several times that you can run the specific hall of fame that you want, but at least call it what it is. That doesn't seem difficult. Also, these Hall of Fames aren't just your thing. You don't get to just decide that they need some kind of overhaul or rule changes or anything like that.



AND

Okay, this isn't official obviously, but I'll run a little straw poll.

Which of these options would you participate in, if more than one what's your order of preference?

Live-Action Only Musical Hall of Fame
Animation Only Musical Hall of Fame
Live-Action & Animated Musical Hall of Fame
Two Musical Hall of Fames at the time: Live-Action Only & Animation Only

I vote for the only proper one. The all-encompassing one.

[Swan]

To be fair, as unnecessary as I think it is I would personally also be okay with two separate ones. As long as you label them properly.

[Ðèstîñy]

I was multi quoting for a long reply, until I saw all this crap. Good Lord, people. How about I change the title now? Will that work for you? There are a ton of actual musicals. There are a ton of animated movies. There's a ton of musical animation. There's a ton of movies about music and musicians. I stopped reading, so I don't know if it is resolved, but this is wrong. The Slasher Hall of Fame was just that . . . Slashers. If the only thing that is stopping you all from letting this go is the title, then CitRules, let's change it. Can't anything on this board be without a fight these days?

[gbgoodies]

Hey, Citizen, you realize that this isn't all about you, right? It's not just about what you want, right? I've said several times that you can run the specific hall of fame that you want, but at least call it what it is. That doesn't seem difficult. Also, these Hall of Fames aren't just your thing. You don't get to just decide that they need some kind of overhaul or rule changes or anything like that.



AND

Okay, this isn't official obviously, but I'll run a little straw poll.

Which of these options would you participate in, if more than one what's your order of preference?

Live-Action Only Musical Hall of Fame
Animation Only Musical Hall of Fame
Live-Action & Animated Musical Hall of Fame
Two Musical Hall of Fames at the time: Live-Action Only & Animation Only


I prefer keeping them separate: Two Musical Hall of Fames at the time: Live-Action Only & Animation Only

[gbgoodies]

I was multi quoting for a long reply, until I saw all this crap. Good Lord, people. How about I change the title now? Will that work for you? There are a ton of actual musicals. There are a ton of animated movies. There's a ton of musical animation. There's a ton of movies about music and musicians. I stopped reading, so I don't know if it is resolved, but this is wrong. The Slasher Hall of Fame was just that . . . Slashers. If the only thing that is stopping you all from letting this go is the title, then CitRules, let's change it. Can't anything on this board be without a fight these days?


I'm okay with changing the title. :up:

[jiraffejustin]

I was multi quoting for a long reply, until I saw all this crap. Good Lord, people. How about I change the title now? Will that work for you? There are a ton of actual musicals. There are a ton of animated movies. There's a ton of musical animation. There's a ton of movies about music and musicians. I stopped reading, so I don't know if it is resolved, but this is wrong. The Slasher Hall of Fame was just that . . . Slashers. If the only thing that is stopping you all from letting this go is the title, then CitRules, let's change it. Can't anything on this board be without a fight these days?

If he just wants Live-Action Musicals, that's fine with me. I think it's silly to do so, but at least it will no longer be misleading.

[Ðèstîñy]

Voicing is one thing. I see people being rude, and I am so tired of it.

[Swan]

Voicing is one thing. I see people being rude, and I am so tired of it.

You're right. Citizen is an incredibly rude person.

[jiraffejustin]

Voicing is one thing. I see people being rude, and I am so tired of it.

Just out of curiosity, because I don't think I crossed any lines, but do you think I've been rude anywhere? I try to be as civil as possible while voicing my opinions, I do get frustrated at times though.

[Ðèstîñy]

People is plural, and I really hate that you altered my words like that.

[Swan]

Just out of curiosity, because I don't think I crossed any lines, but do you think I've been rude anywhere? I try to be as civil as possible while voicing my opinions, I do get frustrated at times though.

I get frustrated too and I'm sorry if I came off as rude. But what can I say. Citizen brings out the worst in me.

[jiraffejustin]

Another thing that kind of bugs me about wanting to split up the Live-Action and Animated musicals is that I feel like it's possible to get too specific. I'd like for all these hall of fames to be "canon" and there's something silly to me about having a "Live-Action Musical Hall of Fame Winner" and a "Animated Musical Hall of Fame Winner" in our hall of fame. Feel free to discuss this with me.

[Camo]

Exacetly that was my point, it was her running the countdown and she made the calls. I'm running this and I make the calls. People can join or not.

All three of you Swan, Camo and JJ are being trolls. You're disrupting this thread for your own fun. You're ****ing over those who want to enjoy this for your own amusement. That tells me everything I need to know about what kind of people you are.

Mmm. No! We are disagreeing with you and GBG agreeing on how this should be ran.

Ask JJ and Swan I'm not conversing with them to do with this as far as I'm aware.

Again has anyone agreed with any rules you thought up? As far as I'm aware this is the only one with significant changes, and the only one that decided to exclude things on noones vote??

Am I wrong???

[Swan]

Alright, I realize I'm being incredibly rude so I'm going to bow out of this thread. I hope my better halves, JJ and Camo, continue trying to discuss how this HoF should be run.

[gbgoodies]

Another thing that kind of bugs me about wanting to split up the Live-Action and Animated musicals is that I feel like it's possible to get too specific. I'd like for all these hall of fames to be "canon" and there's something silly to me about having a "Live-Action Musical Hall of Fame Winner" and a "Animated Musical Hall of Fame Winner" in our hall of fame. Feel free to discuss this with me.


I think the HoFs are better when they get a little bit more specific because people have a better chance of the nominated movies meeting their expectations.

For example, you ran a Slasher HoF after the generic Horror HoF because you guys wanted more slasher movies rather than just generic horror movies. The Sci-Fi HoF wasn't specific like that, and some people, (myself included), weren't very happy with some of the nominations.

This is basically the same thing, only we're learning from our past mistakes. By separating the live-action musicals from the animated musicals, we're making it easier for the nominations to live up to people's expectations.

[Citizen Rules]

I like to point out I was initially polite and answered your guys questions without getting upset. But you guys keep poring it, being more insulting to me. Lets see The MoFo of the year accused me of LYING TO PEOPLE and of acting like a DICTATOR.

That's technically true, but the host needs to be level-headed about it and NOT EXLUDE STUFF JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE THAT PARTICULAR THING.

A lot of people like animated musicals. Animated musicals are just as much musicals as live-action musicals. To exclude live-action musicals is stupid and contrary to what the HoF is about.

Citizen isn't acting like a proper host. He's acting like a dictator.

There's a difference between trying to make a specific HoF like "Time Travel HoF" and pretending to have an all-encompassing Musical HoF that is secretly just live-action. You're lying to people.

Secretly??? Swan, did you read the very first post.

This thread is about discussing the upcoming, Musical Hall of Fame.

It's been a long time in the planning and I'm excited to host it! The same general HOF rules will apply. So lets discuss what is and isn't a musical:

I like to keep this to actual musical, theatrical release movies, live action. Yes there's lots of Disney animations that have songs in them but that goes off into another tangent. Soon there will be an animation Hof and those can go in there.

So what's a musical?

A musical has the characters in the movie actually singing several or more songs, and as part of the movies story, not just singing a song on stage (like a band or performer).

A song played in the background, like American Graffiti would not be a musical. Movies like:A Hard Day's Night, Purple Rain, The Wall, This is Spinal Tap, would not be eligible.

[gbgoodies]

Mmm. No! We are disagreeing with you and GBG agreeing on how this should be ran.

Ask JJ and Swan I'm not conversing with them to do with this as far as I'm aware.

Again has anyone agreed with any rules you thought up? As far as I'm aware this is the only one with significant changes, and the only one that decided to exclude things on noones vote??

Am I wrong???


If you read through the earlier pages of this thread, most people agreed that his rules were good until you three came along and attacked him.

[Ðèstîñy]

My vote, is one for live action musical, and one for animated musical.

Cits, do you want me to change the title?

[jiraffejustin]

For example, you ran a Slasher HoF after the generic Horror HoF because you guys wanted more slasher movies rather than just generic horror movies. The Sci-Fi HoF wasn't specific like that, and some people, (myself included), weren't very happy with some of the nominations.


That happens in every hall of fame. Nobody likes every single movie. That comes with the territory. The hall of fame isn't for you to just like every movie.


I like to point out I was initially polite and answered your guys questions without getting upset. But you guys keep poring it, being more insulting to me. Lets see The MoFo of the year accused me of LYING TO PEOPLE and of acting like a DICTATOR.


Well actually, you have acted like a dictator. You have made all these decisions without asking anybody about it. You just decided that animation was out without asking anybody if they thought that was cool.

And Swan was MoFo of the year, and he finished higher than you. That means he's probably liked a little more than you, so you could try being more like Swan.

[Citizen Rules]

Yes please do change the title Destiny.

By the way I've been accused of attempting to deceive people and lying by Swan, I've never been more insulted on this board. Do you think that Swan's right that I willingly deceived people and lyed to them?

[Swan]

Yes please do change the title Destiny.

By the way I've been accused of attempting to deceive people and lying by Swan, I've never been more insulted on this board. Do you think that Swan's right that I willingly deceived people and lyed to them?

Okay, I'm popping back in to apologize for saying "secretly". I realize you weren't trying to deceive people.

[gbgoodies]

That happens in every hall of fame. Nobody likes every single movie. That comes with the territory. The hall of fame isn't for you to just like every movie.



My point is that if the Sci-Fi HoF had been more specific, like Alien Invasion Sci-Fi Movies, or Time Travel Sci-Fi Movies, etc., I think people would have enjoyed it more than just a generic Sci-Fi HoF.

[jiraffejustin]

I never thought I'd say this:

We need more order when it comes to Hall of Fame arrangements. I guess we need to actually schedule these things and discuss how they will be ran in the future. When I brought these here, I didn't think that would end up being a problem. Perhaps scheduling is the best way to go about it, and we need to talk about what qualifies before hand.

[gbgoodies]

Yes please do change the title Destiny.

By the way I've been accused of attempting to deceive people and lying by Swan, I've never been more insulted on this board. Do you think that Swan's right that I willingly deceived people and lyed to them?


You posted the no animated movies rule in the very first post where the rules normally are posted. I don't see anything deceptive about that.

People even asked questions later on about movies like The Blues Brothers and Eddie and the Cruisers, and they were deemed ineligle for various reasons, and nobody complained about those rules either.

If people choose to skip to the end of the thread and not read the rules, that's not your fault.

[Ðèstîñy]

As far as I can tell, you didn't do anything wrong. We have had fun planning both hall of fame threads all day, and I truly hate that this has had to happen . . . Again! It's tiring. I just don't get what the big deal is with two threads, and then to nag him to change the title, because he assumed he was just naming the damn thing, and setting simple rules, that I could have swore GoDGo had already set up. She wants them divided up. You guys get mad because certain things can't be in it, and then you get mad because he should have made sure the title named those points accurately. Do you truly believe he sat there and set it up that way to deceive people? That just sounds ridiculous.

She is right about the sci-fi thread. We need a few of those, and very divided up. She is also right about the movies that aren't musicals, but just about music. Hell, I'm the first person to point it out as wrong. So obviously I agree.

[Swan]

Do you truly believe he sat there and set it up that way to deceive people? That just sounds ridiculous.

No, I don't. I worded my point incorrectly - "secretly" was not the right word to use. I already admitted this and apologized for it.

[jiraffejustin]

As far as I can tell, you didn't do anything wrong. We have had fun planning both hall of fame threads all day, and I truly hate that this has had to happen . . . Again! It's tiring. I just don't get what the big deal is with two threads, and then to nag him to change the title, because he assumed he was just naming the damn thing, and setting simple rules, that I could have swore GoDGo had already set up. She wants them divided up. You guys get mad because certain things can't be in it, and then you get mad because he should have made sure the title named those points accurately. Do you truly believe he sat there and set it up that way to deceive people? That just sounds ridiculous.

Godoggo didn't bring the hall of fame to the forum and she didn't write the guidelines for how hall of fames were to be ran in the future. I'm sure she had ideas that she shared with everybody, but she always left these things open for discussion. I was the first person to run a hall of fame here, by the way. I don't think that makes me the ruler of all hall of fames or anything, but I do think we should be allowed to discuss this. I didn't get frustrated until Citizen Rules basically told me he can run a hall of fame how he wants. That's not good leadership.

[Swan]

To be fair, JJ started the whole hall of fame thing. So his opinion is obviously just as important as anyone else's opinion (which it would be even if he didn't start it).

[Citizen Rules]

Thank you Destiny. They are being ridiculous about the title. And see it worked now the title is changed. That was game Swan and JJ played. I've been posting on internet boards for over 15 years, I know a troll move when I see one. JJ and Swan might be long time members but there being disruptive to the board in this thread. On my old board we called that stirring the pot.

[Swan]

Thank you Destiny. They are being ridiculous about the title. And see it worked now the title is changed. That was game Swan and JJ played. I've been posting on internet boards for over 15 years, I know a troll move when I see one. JJ and Swan might be long time members but there being disruptive to the board in this thread. On my old board we called that stirring the pot.

I'm sorry you see it that way, but this is the entire reason I called you out as acting like a dictator.

We had problems with how the HoF was being run. So we mentioned it. I got a bit too rude, I'm sorry for that, but we have the right to voice our opinion.

[Ðèstîñy]

Thank you, Swan.

Justin, I thought we had already been discussing in that other thread, on how each Hall of Fame would be set up, and ran however the person doing it, wanted it. That the person running it, sets the rules. Isn't that how you did the Slasher thread? Didn't we have to OK our choices with you? Again, he didn't get specific enough with the title, by accident, but there are way too many movies for each category, for this to be a problem. That's my opinion, anyway.

[Citizen Rules]

Tonight Swan when you go to bed, I want you to think about how you hurt me with your words, because you did hurt another person today and I've always liked you.

It's dinner time for me.

[Swan]

Thank you, Swan.

Justin, I thought we had already been discussing in that other thread, on how each Hall of Fame would be set up, and ran however the person doing it, wanted it. That the person running it, sets the rules. Isn't that how you did the Slasher thread? Didn't we have to OK our choices with you? Again, he didn't get specific enough with the title, by accident, but there are way too many movies for each category, for this to be a problem. That's my opinion, anyway.

I think if someone had a problem with how JJ was running it, he would have listened instead of calling them trolls.

[gbgoodies]

I'm sorry you see it that way, but this is the entire reason I called you out as acting like a dictator.

We had problems with how the HoF was being run. So we mentioned it. I got a bit too rude, I'm sorry for that, but we have the right to voice our opinion.


There's a big difference between "voicing your opinion" and "attacking".

[Swan]

Tonight Swan when you go to bed, I want you to think about how you hurt me with your words, because you did hurt another person today and I've always liked you.

It's dinner time for me.

Sorry dude, but you need to listen when people speak up.

[Swan]

There's a big difference between "voicing your opinion" and "attacking".

You're right. So people should listen to JJ and Camo, and not me. :)

[jiraffejustin]

Thank you, Swan.

Justin, I thought we had already been discussing in that other thread, on how each Hall of Fame would be set up, and ran however the person doing it, wanted it. That the person running it, sets the rules. Isn't that how you did the Slasher thread? Didn't we have to OK our choices with you? Again, he didn't get specific enough with the title, by accident, but there are way too many movies for each category, for this to be a problem. That's my opinion, anyway.

No, I let people choose what they thought was a slasher. I let them know that if the other members didn't think it was a slasher, it might hurt it's ranking though. I let Jeepers Creepers in after all :D

[mark f]

So you guys believe every subgenre should have its own HoF? What you maybe should do is call it something other than Hall of Fame. I can see this resulting in some meh films in the HoF and a lot of great ones left out in the cold. :indifferent:

[Camo]

If you read through the earlier pages of this thread, most people agreed that his rules were good until you three came along and attacked him.

Attacked who?? As far as I've seen Citizen isn't thin skinned so I have no idea why you feel the need to talk for him :shrug: . No idea who you three is, I've never joined any kind of group, if anything you hang onto the shoelaces of CR, good for you but don't attempt to group me with anyone :rolleyes:

[Ðèstîñy]

Mark, were you going to be joining in on the Musical Hall of Fame?

Camo, it's pretty obvious that when she said you three, she simply meant when you, Justin, and Swan got mad about this set up, and came in here to complain, or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Are we going to move on yet?

If there can be a Slasher Hall of Fame, then there can be a Live Action Musical Hall of Fame.

[Swan]

Are we going to move on yet?

Yeah, I'm done here. This will, ideally, be my last post regarding this argument.

I was talking to someone personally about arguments and he said a lot of times they stem from communication breakdowns, and I think he's on the nose with that. We all have good intents - we want to see the HoF run properly. But how some of us went about it, including myself (primarily in fact), was not the best way to promote proper discussion.

I hope Citizen continues to run the HoF and that everyone participating has a good time. I'm sure it will be a good one, as I know those already participating are extremely passionate about the genre. Passion is key. :)

[Camo]

Thank you Destiny. They are being ridiculous about the title. And see it worked now the title is changed. That was game Swan and JJ played. I've been posting on internet boards for over 15 years, I know a troll move when I see one. JJ and Swan might be long time members but there being disruptive to the board in this thread. On my old board we called that stirring the pot.

It had nothing to do with Swan actually, not sure about JJ he can speak for himself (as Swan could obviously) but it was me who brought up the title if you remember correctly. It should be called Live-Action Musical HOF, not sure what you disagree with there??

[Ðèstîñy]

It should be called Live-Action Musical HOF, not sure what you disagree with there??

It is, sweetie. I changed it a bit ago. He is OK with the title change.

[gbgoodies]

Attacked who?? As far as I've seen Citizen isn't thin skinned so I have no idea why you feel the need to talk for him :shrug: . No idea who you three is, I've never joined any kind of group, if anything you hang onto the shoelaces of CR, good for you but don't attempt to group me with anyone :rolleyes:


I'm sorry that I lumped you in with the "you three" comment. It started when you asked about the movie Team America, but it was mostly JJ and Swan who were attacking.


Can we all move on now and stop fighting?

[rauldc14]

Yes we can!

[Camo]

Camo, it's pretty obvious that when she said you three, she simply meant when you, Justin, and Swan got mad about this set up, and came in here to complain, or whatever the hell you want to call it.



Destiny I've just noticed this :) . The problem I had is that I could trust you to tell me when I am being a D*ck, I could also tell personally when I'm acting as such but when I'm slyly grouped together with people as if I'm having secret conversations with them I get at least a bit offended.

No worries though :cool:

[Camo]

I'm sorry that I lumped you in with the "you three" comment. It started when you asked about the movie Team America, but it was mostly JJ and Swan who were attacking.


Can we all move on now and stop fighting?

Yeah this is pretty pointless :highfive:

I tried to betray you with a slap to the back of the head :p

[gbgoodies]

Destiny I've just noticed this :) . The problem I had is that I could trust you to tell me when I am being a D*ck, I could also tell personally when I'm acting as such but when I'm slyly grouped together with people as if I'm having secret conversations with them I get at least a bit offended.

No worries though :cool:


I never thought that you, (or anyone else), were having any kind of secret conversations. I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention.

[Ðèstîñy]

Well, I didn't slyly do that, if you mean me. I just wanted to get it stopped, fast. I'm too old for this *****. ;)

I still love you guys . . . Just stop pissing me off. :p

So you guys are all OK now, I surely hope.

God help me for bringing this up, but with the title change, is everyone OK with it being this way? Also, is there going to be an animated musical ran, as well, or later, or what, if anyone knows?

[gbgoodies]

Yeah this is pretty pointless :highfive:

I tried to betray you with a slap to the back of the head :p


How does that saying go again? "What goes around, comes around, and hits you in the back of your head." :lol:

[gbgoodies]

Well, I didn't slyly do that, if you mean me. I just wanted to get it stopped, fast. I'm too old for this *****. ;)

I think he meant me, but I wasn't trying to slyly do anything. I guess it just came out looking like that. :shrug:


I still love you guys . . . Just stop pissing me off. :p

So you guys are all OK now, I surely hope.

God help me for bringing this up, but with the title change, is everyone is OK with it being this way? Also, is there going to be an animated musical ran, as well, or later, or what, if anyone knows?

I'm okay with the title change. :up:

If enough people are interested, then we'll have an animated musical HoF as well. I just need to know how many people are interested, and if it should be run at the same time, or after the live-action musical HoF is over.

[Ðèstîñy]

I don't care when you run it. Now or later, like the candy. I want to be in it, but I also want to name my movie quick, because I've only ever watched one, and I loved it. I don't do animation, but I will. With three kids, I can bet I'll own just about anything named.

[Camo]

Well, I didn't slyly do that, if you mean me. I just wanted to get it stopped, fast. I'm too old for this *****. ;)

I still love you guys . . . Just stop pissing me off. :p

So you guys are all OK now, I surely hope.

God help me for bringing this up, but with the title change, is everyone OK with it being this way? Also, is there going to be an animated musical ran, as well, or later, or what, if anyone knows?

Slyly - isn't your style, that's why I like you so much Destiny :) . If you have something to say to me you will whether its in private or in public :)

[Camo]

How does that saying go again? "What goes around, comes around, and hits you in the back of your head." :lol:

OK. Please don't slap me in the back of the head :shifty:

[SilentVamp]

If enough people are interested, then we'll have an animated musical HoF as well. I just need to know how many people are interested, and if it should be run at the same time, or after the live-action musical HoF is over.
Well, I don't know if this was noticed or not, but this is what I wrote earlier about it:
I would be willing to do both at the same time. I just would hope that I'd have enough time available in the coming weeks to do both. I have the possibility of something else taking some of my time away from me (jury duty), and I don't know how my time will be if things have to be altered for awhile.
Whether it is now or later doesn't much matter to me. I figured that if we were going to do an eventual HoF with the movies that are music-based that would be after this one. But I don't think it would really matter when it came to the animated films and these musicals. I think they could be at the same time.

[SilentVamp]

I want to be in it, but I also want to name my movie quick, because I've only ever watched one, and I loved it.
I actually really want to get my nomination out there, too, but I have a strange feeling that, like with the musical nomination, this one will also be nominated before I get a chance to do it. :p

[gbgoodies]

I was going to wait until tomorrow to start a thread about an animated musicals HoF, but if you guys want to call "dibs" on your movies now, I can start the thread tonight.

Do you want me to do that?

[SilentVamp]

I was going to wait until tomorrow to start a thread about an animated musicals HoF, but if you guys want to call "dibs" on your movies now, I can start the thread tonight.

Do you want me to do that?
I am all for it! I am curious to see what will be nominated. :D

[Ðèstîñy]

Sure, go ahead. I need to copy/paste my title, and watch you like a hawk. I have to get this movie nominated. :p

[gbgoodies]

I was going to wait until tomorrow to start a thread about an animated musicals HoF, but if you guys want to call "dibs" on your movies now, I can start the thread tonight.

Do you want me to do that?

I am all for it! I am curious to see what will be nominated. :D

Sure, go ahead. I need to copy/paste my title, and watch you like a hawk. I have to get this movie nominated. :p


Okay. Give me a minute, and I'll start the thread.

[SilentVamp]

Sure, go ahead. I need to copy/paste my title, and watch you like a hawk. I have to get this movie nominated. :p
I will keep refreshing the page so that I am ready as soon as it is started. ;)

Watch! The two movies will be so different that there was no need to worry. :p

[Camo]

I was going to wait until tomorrow to start a thread about an animated musicals HoF, but if you guys want to call "dibs" on your movies now, I can start the thread tonight.

Do you want me to do that?

Sorry to bring this up again, but I think an Animated Musical HOF is a bit unnecessary. Chances are I'd be the only one nominating an Animated Musical in that HOF anyway, I think most know me well enough here that I'd see the full thing through?

[Ðèstîñy]

Re: Camo

What do you mean, you'd be the only one?

[jiraffejustin]

I think he is saying that if everything was eligible, there'd be only one animated movie nominated.

[Ðèstîñy]

Oh, OK! That's true, I'd bet.

[gbgoodies]

I started the thread for the Animated Musicals HoF so everyone can start calling "dibs" on their nominations.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=41580

[Camo]

I meant in the original Musical HOF Destiny, as far as I know I'm the only one who wanted an Animated Musical but we are being told that there s going to be an Animated Musical HOF? Again I fail to see where any of this has been voted on?

[Ðèstîñy]

Four said yes to the vote. Maybe more, but I'm not about to scroll to find out. Three say no. You don't really want to try to vote this out, do you?

[gbgoodies]

I meant in the original Musical HOF Destiny, as far as I know I'm the only one who wanted an Animated Musical but we are being told that there s going to be an Animated Musical HOF? Again I fail to see where any of this has been voted on?


I mentioned this in the Animated Musicals HoF thread, but I wanted to let you know in here as well. I watched a little bit of Team America, and it seems to fall closer to animated than live-action, so if nobody objects, it will be eligible in the Animated Musicals HoF.

[Monkeypunch]

I want in, how do we nominate movies?

[jiraffejustin]

I want in, how do we nominate movies?

You can PM Citizen Rules.

[gbgoodies]

I want in, how do we nominate movies?


I think he's also using the "calling dibs" method here, so if you post it here, Citizen Rules will see your nomination tomorrow when he logs in.

I don't think he's posted a list anywhere yet, but I think the only movies that have been nominated so far are 1776 and The Music Man, but I'm not sure if there are more that I don't remember.

[gbgoodies]

You can PM Citizen Rules.


Some people posted their nominations here in the thread already, so he said that it was okay to post them here, but you can PM him too if you'd prefer that method.

[Miss Vicky]

Good lord.

I popped into this thread just to say that I really, really hope somebody nominates Hedwig and the Angry Inch, and I come across this huge argument that my name got dragged into. WTF.

For the record, I think it's a little ridiculous to exclude animation from a genre HOF, but I'm also glad there's now a separate one for animation because it means that I'll actually participate in that. Also, I'm more likely to enjoy more of the nominated films in that HOF than I ever would in this one.

But yeah, somebody should really nominate Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

[gbgoodies]

Good lord.

I popped into this thread just to say that I really, really hope somebody nominates Hedwig and the Angry Inch, and I come across this huge argument that my name got dragged into. WTF.

For the record, I think it's a little ridiculous to exclude animation from a genre HOF, but I'm also glad there's now a separate one for animation because it means that I'll actually participate in that. Also, I'm more likely to enjoy more of the nominated films in that HOF than I ever would in this one.

But yeah, somebody should really nominate Hedwig and the Angry Inch.


I was kind of hoping that you would join and nominate Hedwig and the Angry Inch. I've never seen it because it doesn't look like my kind of movie, but I thought if it got nominated, that might motivate me to watch it.

[Monkeypunch]

Oh, ok. Then I want to nominate Chicago. That's probably my favorite musical.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLm_xJcpPHRD5F-B77AhpXVCgj_KWIv9zAnI_vEud8jgbMeYRq

[gbgoodies]

Chicago was one of the movies that I was considering until I narrowed down my list by removing all the modern musicals. I'm glad to see that it got nominated. :up:

[Thursday Next]

What the bloody hell went on here last night? Apparently there was some kind of schism, and animated musicals are getting their own hall of fame. Personally I didn't think we had so many people clamouring to do this one that we needed a second, even more niche HoF, but OK.

Do we have a deadline we need our nomination in by?

[gbgoodies]

What the bloody hell went on here last night? Apparently there was some kind of schism, and animated musicals are getting their own hall of fame. Personally I didn't think we had so many people clamouring to do this one that we needed a second, even more niche HoF, but OK.

Do we have a deadline we need our nomination in by?


I'm not really sure, but some people got very upset that animated musicals weren't eligible, so we came up with a compromise. You're welcome to join both HoFs if you'd like to, and we'll give enough time to watch all the movies in both HoFs.

I think right now Citizen Rules is waiting to see how many people join before setting a deadline, but check with him tomorrow when he logs in. (I haven't posted my nomination yet, but he asked about it in the thread yesterday, so he may be thinking soon.)

[Thursday Next]

Thanks gbg. I don't think I have the time or inclination for two halls of fame at once, so I'll stick with this one and get my nom in asap :)

[cricket]

IMO, no member should be able to say what qualifies and what doesn't. I think in a case like this, an objective third party source such as IMDb or Wikipedia should be used. For example, IMDb list Grease as a musical, but Saturday Night Fever as music-but not musical. That seems to be what you're looking for. The best way towards fair is to keep opinions out of it completely.

[Ðèstîñy]

That wasn't the problem. We all agree on those type questions. What is and isn't a musical. It was if animated musicals should be in on the live action musicals. It's all worked out, though.

[cricket]

Yea it just seems strange because they've never been separated before. It just seems like something that would never be given a second thought.

[Ðèstîñy]

Well, to be completely honest, I didn't give it a second thought. I knew right away. ;)

I read through GDG's thread again, and she said that specifics were to be made, so that films that won't get noticed, will have some sort of a chance. Something like that. Anyway, since we all agreed last night, that if we keep them together, Camo will be the only one to probably nominate animation, then there you go, we are giving all the rest of them an equal chance.

Of course I'll win, though. :p

[cricket]

I know what you're saying, and I didn't read through all the posts, but if the musical HoF turned into the live action musical HoF because somebody wanted to nominate an animation, then that is completely unfair. This move seems to be unprecedented here.