So I'm thinking about doing a MoFo Top Soundtracks list...

[Iroquois]

After what happened with the Top Albums Countdown (long story short, there weren't a lot of votes) I figured that, since a few people voted for soundtrack albums and this being a forum primarily dedicated to movies, it would make sense to launch a countdown dedicated specifically to film soundtracks. Originally, I wanted to make it about the soundtracks as standalone releases, but I reconsidered and decided that it didn't have to be decided like that. The soundtracks would be voted on with the focus on how well they complemented the films in which they featured. Or that could still be a matter of debate, but that's not the reason I'm adding a poll to this topic.

For the purposes of this countdown, I realised that there was a considerable difference between soundtracks that featured an original score and soundtracks that relied mainly on previously released pieces of music. Some chatter in the Shoutbox led me to consider that I should set up two countdowns, one dedicated to films that prioritised original scores (e.g. Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings, Jaws) and films that prioritised non-original music (e.g. 2001, Pulp Fiction, Trainspotting). Of course, there are a lot of films that feature a combination of both types, but even so I figure such films could be eligible for both countdowns. However, I have also had it pointed out to me that having two separate countdowns might be a bit confusing - original or non-original (or both), a soundtrack's a soundtrack, right? As long as it's good, why get hung up on specifics?

Well, that's why I started this thread. I'm going to open up a poll for the next month where you the users can decide whether or not the soundtrack countdown should be split into two distinct countdowns or if a single countdown will make sense. Personally, I'm of the view that the two types of soundtrack are too distinct in virtually every regard to lump together. We can debate the reasons why or why not over the course of the next month.

[Yoda]

I kinda wanna vote for a third option: Scores Only, since that seems like the purest "movie" list. But barring that, I pick having one list for both.

[Miss Vicky]

I vote one list.

Though either way I'm going to have trouble coming up with a full ballot.

[Iroquois]

Yoda - Well, it's not like you have to vote in both countdowns if it comes to that. I was originally going to limit it to scores only, but Rodent brought up the idea that people might want to vote for non-original soundtracks so I figured that into setting up my poll.

MV - why's that?

[Miss Vicky]

Well, it's not like you have to vote in both countdowns

Yeah, but I'm a list whore.

if it comes to that. I was originally going to limit it to scores only, but Rodent brought up the idea that people might want to vote for non-original soundtracks so I figured that into setting up my poll.

Well I most definitely vote against scores only. If you want to limit it to original soundtracks, that's up to you, but limiting it to scores would disqualify original soundtracks from musicals and films about musicians. Like the two soundtracks I voted for in the albums list.

[Yoda]

Yeah, sorry, I should say non-original soundtracks then; I was mainly just talking about the "quality of music apart from the movie" thing. Original soundtracks obviously wouldn't have that problem.

[Miss Vicky]

Oh you weren't talking to me there, Iro. :laugh:

MV - why's that?

I rarely even notice most scores and there aren't that many soundtracks with songs that I really enjoy. Off the top of my head, I can only come up with seven. If I really gave it some thought I could come up with more, but it'll be a stretch to get to 25.

[Iroquois]

Hmm, that is a good point. I kind of skipped over including musicals because I assumed that that would be better suited to a proper film countdown, but I guess having good songs and being a good film are mutually exclusive. Didn't even consider films about musicians.

[The Rodent]

I went for One.


I think the score alongside the soundtrack make a whole.
Of course some films have only score but I think it'll make an interesting list to have them all alongside each other.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

I went for One.


I think the score alongside the soundtrack make a whole.
Of course some films have only score but I think it'll make an interesting list to have them all alongside each other.
Dam right!
:walter:

[The Rodent]

:docbrown:

[Iroquois]

Just quoting myself here...

The reason I don't really want to mix them together is because there's a world of difference between someone going through the effort of composing whole new music explicitly designed to be combined with a film and someone picking out existing songs that would best suit a film. That doesn't mean that one type of film soundtrack is intrinsically superior to another, I just think they're different enough that they deserve separate countdowns. If a film has both a good score and a good soundtrack then it could end up on both lists.

[mark f]

Either one countdown or no countdown. The more complicated you make it, the less likely you'll get feedback.

[Iroquois]

Wow, just over an hour and it's already 8-1 in favour of a single countdown. I think I might close this thing early.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

Wow, just over an hour and it's already 8-1 in favour of a single countdown. I think I might close this thing early.Dam right! Start a countdown thread whilst I whip up a banner for it.:yup:

[Tacitus]

I'd say ask for people to provide 10 of each then if the totals are favourable do two lists of 50, otherwise merge them. ;)

[Iroquois]

I'd say ask for people to provide 10 of each then if the totals are favourable do two lists of 50, otherwise merge them. ;)

That's not a bad idea. Other people - thoughts?

[BlueLion]

Like I said in the shoutbox, make just one countdown. After all we're voting for music in film here, so why should that include original compositions only? A soundtrack consists of score, songs and all the music heard in the film, so if you vote for a score just vote for that film's soundtrack, it's pretty easy.

[BlueLion]

Though either way I'm going to have trouble coming up with a full ballot.

That's a shame, for me coming up with just 25 is going to be a struggle

[Yoda]

I think the argument (and I find it to be a pretty persuasive one) is that this is primarily about accomplishments in film, and that including soundtracks of lots of great songs created specifically as music--and not as part of a film--is kind of at odds with that.

[Fabulous]

I think the argument (and I find it to be a pretty persuasive one) is that this is primarily about accomplishments in film, and that including soundtracks of lots of great songs created specifically as music--and not as part of a film--is kind of at odds with that.
Agreed. Thinking about it now I should've voted the other way.

[BlueLion]

This isn't the oscars though, it's not like we're acknowledging the biggest achievements in film composition history (otherwise guys like Hans Zimmer and John Williams would dominate this countdown), I believe the point of this countdown is to vote for our favorite music in film. I think the soundtrack of Jackie Brown complements the film in the same way that the score in Jaws does, for example.

[Citizen Rules]

Like MV said, I will have trouble coming up with a big list of soundtracks, so go with Tactius' idea and make it a smaller list of 10.

Like Mark said, the more complicated this is the less people you'll get. So make it an all inclusive list, so more people can vote.

I get the terms score, soundtrack, music score, movie songs...confused. I can't be the only one either....So you might want to explain in easy to understand terms what a movie soundtrack is and isn't when you create the nomination thread.

[The Rodent]

Agree.


Pulp Fiction had almost no score at all, but the use of the music they did use was near perfection.


Guardians Of The Galaxy was the same. They did have a score in GotG which rocked, but the usage of the 70s and 80s soundtrack alongside it was perfect for the film.


Existing music in movies is all down to how it's used rather than how good the actual song is. I mean, Pulp Fiction again... the soundtrack isn't something I'd listen to, even in the days when I did listen to music, yet within that movie it's utilised brilliantly.


Which is why I voted for one list.

[Yoda]

This isn't the oscars though, it's not like we're acknowledging the biggest achievements in film composition history (otherwise guys like Hans Zimmer and John Williams would dominate this countdown), I believe the point of this countdown is to vote for our favorite music in film. I think the soundtrack of Jackie Brown complements the film in the same way that the score in Jaws does, for example.
We're acknowledging whatever we decide to acknowledge; that's what we're figuring out right now. It could be to vote for "our favorite music in film," or it could be to honor the best film music.

And while it's certainly true that a film's soundtrack may compliment the film as well as a score does, I think the relevant thing is that they're very different skills; composing a score is dramatically different than choosing a soundtrack. I think it's an apples-to-oranges comparison.

[BlueLion]

Then I'm really curious to see what we decide. Personally I won't be voting for best film music, but for best music in film. This is why my list will be a mix of both, I even did a list of personal favorites here last year and I believe at least half of it comprised original scores, so it's not like I'm against scores or anything. But I think that by making it a countdown for soundtracks in general we will have a lot more diversity in the countdown.

[The Rodent]

I'm compiling two lists now. Never know which way things go on MoFo, especially if the voting is open for a couple weeks.

[Tacitus]

Personally I won't be voting for best film music, but for best music in film. This is why my list will be a mix of both

You'll be voting on whatever the poll is, otherwise ..... null points. ;)

[BlueLion]

Good point. So far I'm pleased with the outcome of the poll, but let's wait and see

[The Rodent]

You'll be voting on whatever the poll is, otherwise ..... null points. ;)



Translation:
"You'll choose what you're bloody well told to choose"

:D

[Camo]

Either one countdown or no countdown. The more complicated you make it, the less likely you'll get feedback.

This. Think how hard it was to get Album lists, making two countdowns will more than likely make it worse.

[gbgoodies]

I agree with the majority here, one countdown would be much easier than two, but I'll send in list(s) either way.

However I don't agree with the people who suggested that the lists should only be limited to 10 entries, rather than 25. Partial ballots are always accepted, so there's no reason to limit the lists. The people who want to send in smaller lists could do so, but those of us who could easily make a list of 25 (or more) entries shouldn't be limited to only 10.

[Sexy Celebrity]

This is a better idea than the albums countdown.

I vote ONE!

[The Rodent]

^^ He votes ONE!


Sexy Medu sa is back.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

Is he accepting ballots now?

[Iroquois]

No, I am not. I'm going to be somewhat busy over the next few days. The votes are currently 20-3 in favour of a single countdown so if that margin doesn't decrease significantly in a week I'll think about starting it early.

[Lucas]

I voted for two, although I'm cool with it being only one. This is a damn cool idea for a countdown.

[cricket]

I voted for one countdown. I don't know if anyone is like me, but when it comes to scores, I will only remember a few notes. It's not like scenes or dialogue where I can remember most of what's included in the movie. I don't think I could compile a fair list of scores if I can only picture in my mind a few seconds of music from Jaws or Raiders of the Lost Ark. In a movie like Pulp Fiction, I probably remember most of the songs, and how they directly fit into and added to the movie. I'm not trying to diminish the importance of scores; I just think it's a tough thing to vote on. I just picture a top 10 including Jaws, Raiders, Star Wars, Halloween, Suspiria, probably a couple others, and then a real odd crapshoot.

[MovieGal]

just fyi.. I mentioned that we should do a Movie Soundtrack Tournement.. in the Countdown thread.. 5 days ago


I want to do a Movie Soundtrack Song Tournament.... I know a few songs that are not popular that are good songs on movie soundtracks...

[Miss Vicky]

just fyi.. I mentioned that we should do a Movie Soundtrack Tournement.. in the Countdown thread.. 5 days ago


I want to do a Movie Soundtrack Song Tournament.... I know a few songs that are not popular that are good songs on movie soundtracks...


I think we did one already.

[Iroquois]

So I didn't want to bump this until I'd already sorted out my list. Do we still want to do this, people?

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

So I didn't want to bump this until I'd already sorted out my list. Do we still want to do this, people?Yes, most defiantly.

[jiraffejustin]

So I didn't want to bump this until I'd already sorted out my list. Do we still want to do this, people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5PeTAC51yw

[Camo]

I'll send a list in.

[Iroquois]

Very well, we'll still use this as a preliminary thread and post the actual countdown in its own thread. Anyway, there aren't any real rules like there were in the album countdown - here you nominate films. Soundtracks can be anything from original composed orchestras to nothing but hits (though obviously I'd discourage the inclusion of films with virtually no music e.g. No Country for Old Men, Dog Day Afternoon, etc.) If there are any issues that arise from people's votes, I'll address them here.

[jiraffejustin]

I think Suspiria is an obvious one that I want to rep, but dudes and ladydudes, Eraserhead. The Eraserhead soundtrack is insane. Listen to that bad boy.

[neiba]

We send a 25 movies list?

[Iroquois]

Yes.

[Camo]

I think Suspiria is an obvious one that I want to rep, but dudes and ladydudes, Eraserhead. The Eraserhead soundtrack is insane. Listen to that bad boy.

That's on my list of course :D

[Swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXkI1zYyDo

[Camo]

Is there a deadline right now Iro? Or are you just waiting until you have enough before setting one?

[Iroquois]

Is there a deadline right now Iro? Or are you just waiting until you have enough before setting one?

At this rate, I think the end of November is as good a deadline as any.

[Camo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXkI1zYyDo

This is a good excuse to finally watch this.

[jiraffejustin]

I could probably make a list of nothing but Italian movies from the 60s through the 80s. Spaghetti westerns and giallo/trash horror flicks had dope ass soundtracks. Shouts out to Demons. I didn't even care about that movie, but I might vote for the soundtrack.

[Swan]

I could probably make a list of nothing but Italian movies from the 60s through the 80s. Spaghetti westerns and giallo/trash horror flicks had dope ass soundtracks. Shouts out to Demons. I didn't even care about that movie, but I might vote for the soundtrack.

You know my list will have a ton of Argento and Fulci on it, probs. Although I might just limit it to like, Suspiria and The Beyond.

[Iroquois]

What? Demons is the sh*t, and the soundtrack is but one part of an otherwise great little movie.

[Camo]

At this rate, I think the end of November is as good a deadline as any.

I think it should be easier to get lists for this since it's movie related.

[Swan]

What? Demons is the sh*t, and the soundtrack is but one part of an otherwise great little movie.

JJ doesn't like the Evil Dead movies, either. I think he has mental problems, Iro.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmzTFVlES_I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS3FXKCxDL4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYWpUrvnKk

[jiraffejustin]

I think Demons and Evil Dead are kinda similar, so that makes sense actually.

[Iroquois]

JJ doesn't like the Evil Dead movies, either. I think he has mental problems, Iro.

Was that necessary?

[Swan]

Was that necessary?

Yes.

[Swan]

As someone with mental problems, I have the right to joke about mental problems. :D

[jiraffejustin]

Was that necessary?

It was absolutely necessary.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

Two of the most beautiful soundtracks I've heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k8h1Gu1u2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG9-j3eevL4

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

I'm kind of giving away my list here, but what the hell. I don't think anyone else will vote for them.(too much horror sentiment around here:D)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3NwnvShwPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfprq4dVY2A

[Swan]

I'll probably be voting for The Fountain, Slob. One of my favorites.

[Gatsby]

Everyone check out the soundtrack for Oldboy and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

[Iroquois]

As someone with mental problems, I have the right to joke about mental problems. :D

Even if they're other people's mental problems and not your own?

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLXyVwaC5qU

[Swan]

JJ doesn't have mental problems, Iro. Also he's my closest friend on the board and we crack jokes like that all the time.

[Camo]

Road to Perdition might make mine Slob :up:

[Iroquois]

JJ doesn't have mental problems, Iro. Also he's my closest friend on the board and we crack jokes like that all the time.

Fair enough, I just had to know that. You can see how I might take it otherwise.

[Swan]

Certainly. I would never joke like that with someone unless we were good friends and I knew they could take it. :)

[The Gunslinger45]

I am in! I will make time for this over the three day weekend!

[BlueLion]

So when does the voting begin?

[Iroquois]

Now, I guess.

[Sexy Celebrity]

As someone with mental problems, I have the right to joke about mental problems. :D

Even if they're other people's mental problems and not your own?

Uh oh. There's a new Comedy Cop and her name is Iroquois.

[Iroquois]

Uh oh. There's a new Comedy Cop and her name is Iroquois.

"Her"?

[Sexy Celebrity]

"Her"?

Her.

[Iroquois]

Why?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Why?

Are you asking me a question or are you singing an Annie Lennox song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG7I4oniOyA

[Iroquois]

I'm asking what's so funny about deliberately misgendering me.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm asking what's so funny about deliberately misgendering me.

Iroquois, you're a box on my computer screen. Yeah, your avatar is of a man, but so what? Have you got a problem with being identified as female? Is there something wrong with being a woman?

[Iroquois]

Iroquois, you're a box on my computer screen. Yeah, your avatar is of a man, but so what? Have you got a problem with being identified as female? Is there something wrong with being a woman?

There's nothing inherently wrong with being a woman, I'm just not one of them and so referring to me as one is factually incorrect. Even if you didn't know my gender for certain, it would be better to use a neutral "they" than to presume to guess whether I was male or female, while deliberately picking the wrong pronoun is generally disrespectful.

[Swan]

He calls me a girl all the time, Iro. You have to learn to embrace it. Now tuck your penis between your legs.

[Iroquois]

Don't encourage him.

[Sexy Celebrity]

He calls me a girl all the time, Iro.

I may stop that now -- 'cause you're butch as Hell compared to Iroquois.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

Do we submit our lists now?

[cricket]

Submitted my list

[Guaporense]

Best soundtrack of any movie ever is for the TV series Haibane Renmei:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5RhDdwscM

[Guaporense]

That's a shame, for me coming up with just 25 is going to be a struggle

You need to wat h Miyazaki's movies then you will have a set of a dozen great soundtracks. Then just put some others at the tail end and you are done.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

Defiantly on my list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cIrefaQWNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5nhJz4LL9o

[BlueLion]

Submitted my list

To whom?

I was excited about this at first but so far it looks really poorly organized.

[Iroquois]

To whom?

I was excited about this at first but so far it looks really poorly organized.

Me.

What's poorly organised?

[BlueLion]

I think it's poorly organized because you should have created a separate thread for the voting, preferably by explaining the rules in the opening post. SFS asked whether the voting had started and nobody even replied to him. Everyone seemed much more enthusiastic when you first came up with the idea, I don't find that to be a coincidence.

[Iroquois]

I'll get around to starting a new thread later.