Science Fiction Hall of Fame

[Guaporense]

Welcome MoFos to the Science Fiction Hall of Fame

Who wants to sign up send me a message.

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Science fiction is generally regarded as a genre defined mostly by it's setting, being movies portrayed is a setting/world that's different from ours, these differences are such that they are (at least mostly) explainable by current science instead of just assumed (then, we classify the movie's genre as fantasy). Star Wars is regarded as sci-fi fantasy because some of it's elements are obviously fantastical (the Force), though since there are some physical issues with any Faster than Light Travel technology because it essentially violates special relativity, though with the Alcubierre Warp drive appears to be an interesting concept (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936.pdf).

So sci-fi fantasy movies like Star Wars, Nausicaa, etc, classify as sci fi, while fantasy movies with some sci fi elements do not (Castle in the Sky's steampunk setting for instance is weird and borderline between sci fi and fantasy but it's usually classified as fantasy).

Anyway, I am heavily interested in science fiction so if anybody is also interested in a Sci Fi hall of fame this is the place. I plan to do it in the same way as in the other genre/style hall of fames. The deadline to watch all the nominated movies will be 4 months after the deadline to sign up, which is March 31.

Already signed up:
Guaporense
Swan
Frightened Inmate No. 2
NatashaR

[Swan]

I am in!

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

i'm in

[gbgoodies]

Where's the line for sci-fi / horror for this HoF?

[Swan]

You probably shouldn't join, gb. You're not going to like my nomination. :)

[mark f]

Demon Seed? :cool:

[Swan]

Demon Seed? :cool:

Never seen it. Think I'll like it?

[gbgoodies]

You probably shouldn't join, gb. You're not going to like my nomination. :)


Is it sci-fi / horror?

[Swan]

Is it sci-fi / horror?

It's horrifying but not horror. So even if horror is disqualified, it'll still count. Sorry.

[Swan]

Some people think it's horror, but they're wrong.

[Citizen Rules]

I thought Godoggo was handling the Hall of Fame's and she had already planned for a Sci Fi HoF at a future date, we even voted on it. Guap have you talked to Godoggo about this? Or did you just take it upon yourself to create this?

I was under the impression these Special HoFs were being coordinated so that they're was not too many of them at one time. Isn't a Creature Feature Hof about to start?

[gbgoodies]

I was interested in a sci-fi HoF, but if this is going to be a sci-fi / horror HoF, then I'm out. :(

[Swan]

I don't think everyone is going to nominate sci-fi/horror, but I definitely think sci-fi/horror should be allowed.

[gbgoodies]

I don't think everyone is going to nominate sci-fi/horror, but I definitely think sci-fi/horror should be allowed.


I thought the whole point of separating into the specialty HoFs was to avoid this type of overlap. If I wanted to watch a horror movie, I would have joined the horror HoF.

[Swan]

Yeah but it would be too hard to narrow it down to strictly science fiction. Guap already said Star Wars counts, and that's a blend of science fiction and fantasy. Actually, IMDb doesn't even list it as science fiction, just action/adventure/fantasy.

So, there should be some leeway. A mainly science fiction film with horror elements should absolutely count.

[Citizen Rules]

I'm not watching Horror Sci-Fi either:mad:

[Friendly Mushroom!]

I don't think I will be able to participate. I still need to watch the Set-Up and Lady from Shanghai for the Film Noir Hall of Fame, watch the 6th Noms and come up with a nom for the monster HOF still! :facepalm:

[gbgoodies]

Yeah but it would be too hard to narrow it down to strictly science fiction. Guap already said Star Wars counts, and that's a blend of science fiction and fantasy. Actually, IMDb doesn't even list it as science fiction, just action/adventure/fantasy.

So, there should be some leeway. A mainly science fiction film with horror elements should absolutely count.


There's a fine line between sci-fi and fantasy, but there's a much wider line between sci-fi and horror, and it's easy to not cross it if you don't want to.

You're a horror fan, so you want to cross that line, but some of us don't care for horror, but we like sci-fi.

[Swan]

I'd say the line is equal. Science fiction and horror often go hand in hand. You just don't think so because you like one genre and hate the other.

If you're going to complain that a science fiction film has horror elements in it, I'll complain when one has fantasy elements, or comedic elements, or dramatic elements. Then nothing can be nominated! Except maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Ah, I say that lovingly. :D

[Swan]

Consider Shivers. That's a film with an entirely science fiction-based premise, and yet a true horror masterpiece. You really want to tell me again about that "wide line" separating science fiction and horror?

[gbgoodies]

I'd say the line is equal. Science fiction and horror often go hand in hand. You just don't think so because you like one genre and hate the other.

If you're going to complain that a science fiction film has horror elements in it, I'll complain when one has fantasy elements, or comedic elements, or dramatic elements. Then nothing can be nominated! Except maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Ah, I say that lovingly. :D


The easiest way is to just let IMDB be the judge. If IMDB lists something as horror or fantasy, then don't allow it.

[Swan]

Okay. Star Wars doesn't count then.

[gbgoodies]

Consider Shivers. That's a film with an entirely science fiction-based premise, and yet a true horror masterpiece. You really want to tell me again about that "wide line" separating science fiction and horror?


I've never seen (or heard of) Shivers, but IMDB lists it as horror and sci-fi.

[Swan]

That's because that's what it is.

[gbgoodies]

Okay. Star Wars doesn't count then.


That's okay with me. I've seen it too many times anyway. :)

[Swan]

Fine. You know I'm going to make this harder than it has to be?

New rule: a movie must only be listened as science fiction on IMDb. Any other categories in it, it is disqualified.

[Swan]

Fine. You know I'm going to make this harder than it has to be?

New rule: a movie must only be listened as science fiction on IMDb. Any other categories in it, it is disqualified.

Hint: this is sarcasm. I still say horror/sci-fi should count.

[gbgoodies]

Fine. You know I'm going to make this harder than it has to be?

New rule: a movie must only be listened as science fiction on IMDb. Any other categories in it, it is disqualified.


I thought Guap had the final say on the rules.

[Swan]

"Sarcasm"

[gbgoodies]

Hint: this is sarcasm. I still say horror/sci-fi should count.


I knew that it had to be sarcasm because there probably aren't any movies that are only sci-fi with no other genres listed.

[Swan]

Exactly. We're not playing this game. A science fiction film that contains horror elements is fair play. If you don't like that, you don't have to join.

[gbgoodies]

Exactly. We're not playing this game. A science fiction film that contains horror elements is fair play. If you don't like that, you don't have to join.


I'll wait for Guap to reply, but if this becomes a sci-fi / horror HoF, then I'm out.

[Swan]

Anyway, you're right in that Guap has the final say. But I trust Guap to make the right call.

[NatashaR]

I'm interested in this but I'm a bit confused about how it works haha noob... we sign up and send a movie nomination by March 31 and then watch all the movies nominated?

[Camo]

Any movie listed as Sci-Fi on IMDB should count imo, whether it's Horror/Sci Fi, Action, Fantasy, etc. Also as Citizen Rules said earlier, i thought only a certain amount of these were to be run at one time?

[Swan]

I'm interested in this but I'm a bit confused about how it works haha noob... we sign up and send a movie nomination by March 31 and then watch all the movies nominated?

Yep. After that, you send in a list ordering the films from favorite to least favorite. After everyone has done so the score is tallied and the winner is chosen. :)

[mark f]

Ha! Family life's a bitch sometimes. :)

[Camo]

I'm interested in this but I'm a bit confused about how it works haha noob... we sign up and send a movie nomination by March 31 and then watch all the movies nominated?

Exactly. You have to watch all of the nominees before the deadline, then send Guap a list of them ranked.

[gbgoodies]

Any movie listed as Sci-Fi on IMDB should count imo, whether it's Horror/Sci Fi, Action, Fantasy, etc. Also as Citizen Rules said earlier, i thought only a certain amount of these were to be run at one time?


That's fine. I don't have the burning need to win like some people do, so I'm okay with sitting this out and watching from the sidelines. I can still watch whatever movies I want to watch and participate that way. I just won't nominate anything, so you guys will all have one less movie to watch.

[Camo]

That was just my opinion gbg, Guap may agree with you ;)

[NatashaR]

Okay great :D I'm in... Thanks for explaining

[gbgoodies]

That was just my opinion gbg, Guap may agree with you ;)


I know. I'm still waiting for an official ruling from Guap, but either way, I'll have some new movies to watch soon. The only difference it makes is whether or not I have to nominate a movie, and whether or not I have to rank the movies after I watch them.

[Swan]

That's fine. I don't have the burning need to win like some people do, so I'm okay with sitting this out and watching from the sidelines. I can still watch whatever movies I want to watch and participate that way. I just won't nominate anything, so you guys will all have one less movie to watch.

I have other motivations/reasons for bickering than a "burning need to win".

[Camo]

I have other motivations/reasons for bickering than a "burning need to win".

LIAR!!

[gbgoodies]

I have other motivations/reasons for bickering than a "burning need to win".


Like what? A "burning need to win" the argument? :skeptical:

[Camo]

I know. I'm still waiting for an official ruling from Guap, but either way, I'll have some new movies to watch soon. The only difference it makes is whether or not I have to nominate a movie, and whether or not I have to rank the movies after I watch them.

Jesus gbg, you hate Horrors alot more than i do Musicals :p

[Swan]

Like what? A "burning need to win" the argument? :skeptical:

I'd rather not say, but no, I actually don't care to win. I'm usually not an argumentative person in the least.

I'll leave it at that.

[gbgoodies]

Jesus gbg, you hate Horrors alot more than i do Musicals :p


:yup:

[Guaporense]

Yeah but it would be too hard to narrow it down to strictly science fiction. Guap already said Star Wars counts, and that's a blend of science fiction and fantasy. Actually, IMDb doesn't even list it as science fiction, just action/adventure/fantasy.

So, there should be some leeway. A mainly science fiction film with horror elements should absolutely count.

Alien is sci fi obviously.

Science fiction is defined by it's setting. You can have drama science fiction (Nausicaa), horror science fiction (Alien), comedy science fiction (MiB), action science fiction (Aliens), art-house science fiction (Patlabor 2), etc.

[cricket]

It's just the way you look at certain movies.

An example of horror I think should count-

Alien, Species, Lifeforce

An example of what I think shouldn't count-

Shivers, The Fly, The Mist

Not that my opinion matters because I'm sitting this one out.

[gbgoodies]

It's just the way you look at certain movies.

An example of horror I think should count-

Alien, Species, Lifeforce

An example of what I think shouldn't count-

Shivers, The Fly, The Mist

Not that my opinion matters because I'm sitting this one out.


And that's what I'm trying to find out. Where's the line between sci-fi and horror as to what's eligible and what's ineligible?

[Camo]

Haven't watched any of the other two you said shouldn't be counted, but i completely agree that The Mist Shouldn't.

[Swan]

It's just the way you look at certain movies.

An example of horror I think should count-

Alien, Species, Lifeforce

An example of what I think shouldn't count-

Shivers, The Fly, The Mist

Not that my opinion matters because I'm sitting this one out.

That is agreeable to me.

[Citizen Rules]

I thought Godoggo was handling the Hall of Fame's and she had already planned for a Sci Fi HoF at a future date, we even voted on it. Guap have you talked to Godoggo about this? Or did you just take it upon yourself to create this?

I was under the impression these Special HoFs were being coordinated so that they're was not too many of them at one time. Isn't a Creature Feature Hof about to start? Guap please answer my question? Did you get the OK from Godoggo for this or not?

[Camo]

Yeah i have to agree with Citizen Rules here. The upcoming Hall of Fames were voted for, and Godoggo has put alot of effort into managing all of this. Just the same as i wasn't a fan of the Top 100 Sequels List being declared (no offence MM), i'm not crazy about this just getting threw out when there is already a number of these waiting in line. And i'm saying that when this is the only one i'm considering joining, above the rest of the scheduled ones.

[gbgoodies]

This is a quote from Godoggo about the HoF schedule from the "General Hall of Fame discussion thread":

So here is a tentative schedule of the next speciality HoFs.

B movie Creature Features ran by Godoggo
Musicals ran by Mistique
Documentaries ran by ...... Anyone want to run this one? I'm joining all three of these regardless. So I can be there if you're unsure but if you'd like the drivers seat,
Docs are open.

Also remember that anyone wanting to could run a short HoF at anytime. It's the others that need scheduling.


http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1259916#post1259916

Sci-Fi is not even on the list yet.

[Guaporense]

Sent her a PM about this. Awaiting for her to answer.

[Guaporense]

It's just the way you look at certain movies.

An example of horror I think should count-

Alien, Species, Lifeforce

An example of what I think shouldn't count-

Shivers, The Fly, The Mist

Not that my opinion matters because I'm sitting this one out.

The Fly is science fiction even on the restricted sense because of it's focus on the effects of new technology on the human condition. It's theme is similar to Robocop but far more tragic and repulsive.

[Citizen Rules]

The Fly both versions are sci fi. Star Wars is NOT fantasy but sci-fi. I wish someone would tell me why they think Star Wars is fantasy?

[Swan]

The Fly both versions are sci fi. Star Wars is NOT fantasy but sci-fi. I wish someone would tell me why they think Star Wars is fantasy?

Star Wars is a science fiction/fantasy hybrid.

http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm

[Citizen Rules]

Why?

[Guaporense]

Star Wars is a science fiction/fantasy hybrid.

http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm

Not only Star Wars, Star Trek as well contains fantasy elements such as Q (the omnipotent being) though Star Trek is more sci fi than Star Wars because it focus more on the science/technology rather than the space opera plot of Star Wars.

[Citizen Rules]

An operatic style story doesn't indicate fantasy. So I'll ask again, what makes Star Wars Fantasy and not Sci Fi?

[cricket]

You're certainly not wrong about The Fly, Citizen and Guap, it's just my perception. I see no outer space, no spaceships, and no aliens, just horror as the result of technology. IMDb says it's part Sci-Fi though so what do I know.

[Swan]

Do a bit of your own research into it, Citizen. Guap and I aren't the only two who think this.

Here's a good quote about it.

It's a bit of both. There are definite science fiction elements and tropes, such as faster than light travel, robotics and laser guns - all things we'd like to imagine will be possible in the future. But Star Wars doesn't make a big deal of investigating these ideas. At its narrative core it's a fantasy tale of knights, dragons, wise old men, princesses and plucky underdog heroes.

[Swan]

An operatic style story doesn't indicate fantasy. So I'll ask again, what makes Star Wars Fantasy and not Sci Fi?

It is science fiction, but it's also fantasy.

[Guaporense]

Yeah i have to agree with Citizen Rules here. The upcoming Hall of Fames were voted for, and Godoggo has put alot of effort into managing all of this. Just the same as i wasn't a fan of the Top 100 Sequels List being declared (no offence MM), i'm not crazy about this just getting threw out when there is already a number of these waiting in line. And i'm saying that when this is the only one i'm considering joining, above the rest of the scheduled ones.

This is an internet forum and it's not like a new HoF would seriously disrupt the forum, people interested in this are the types who are not necessarily interested in the other HoF. Also, given the enormous deadlines of these HoF one person can easily participate in several at the same time.

[Guaporense]

You're certainly not wrong about The Fly, Citizen and Guap, it's just my perception. I see no outer space, no spaceships, and no aliens, just horror as the result of technology. IMDb says it's part Sci-Fi though so what do I know.

Strange Days is also Sci Fi because it deals with the effects of a potential future technology. It doesn't have spaceships and aliens.

Nausicaa is sci fi because it deals with ecological holocaust and includes some nonexistent technology (massive flying ships, biotechnological monsters (god warriors) very advanced prosthetic technology, etc), it also has no space ships and aliens (though Nausicaa has the ruins of a space ship).

The Matrix is sci fi obviously and doesn't have space ships or aliens. Ghost in the Shell is the same.

[Citizen Rules]

Swan I'm not in doubt that Star Wars is Sci-Fi, I know that it's not fantasy. I don't care what IMDB says. What makes Star Wars fantasy, I'm asking the MoFos.

[Guaporense]

Do a bit of your own research into it, Citizen. Guap and I aren't the only two who think this.

Here's a good quote about it.

I saw Star Wars being referred as Science Fantasy in one of the official documentaries that came with the DVD of the original trilogy.

[Guaporense]

Swan I'm not in doubt that Star Wars is Sci-Fi, I know that it's not fantasy. I don't care what IMDB says. What makes Star Wars fantasy, I'm asking the MoFos.

the force

[mark f]

The Force. The fact that a dead Jedi can communicate with a live one. Numerous things like that.

[90sAce]

It is science fiction, but it's also fantasy.
Aka "science fantasy"

[Citizen Rules]

Fantasy movies are stories about humans with supernatural powers usually living in ancient times other than what historical happened. Conan the Barbarian, Excalibur, Highlander and the like.

Yes, Star Wars seems like Fantasy but in the original film it says, 'it happened in a Galaxy far far away and long ago. There forth, Hans Solo, Luke Skywaker and all the others are not humans but aliens. So any of the 'force' type powers can be contributed to their distinct evolutionary process in another galaxy. Their powers are alien, there forth sci fi in nature.

[Citizen Rules]

I'm just going to do this as a group thing. I'll put up everyone nominations and if they receive two vetoes they are out, so hurry and get those nominations in. Guap.... Godoggo had just added this to the Creature Feature. As she said she wanted consistence in the voting of the Hofs. The 2 no-votes and it's out is a good idea.

[Swan]

But then you and GB will just no-vote anything that even slightly resembles horror. I say no.

[Citizen Rules]

It's up to Godoggo really, if a change is allowed...as she had said that whoever ran an Hof needed to be consistent in the voting and scoring. She's the one who has worked long at hard at making these Hall of Fames.

[mark f]

It's sci-fi because the characters aren't human? So, The Wizard of Oz is sci-fi too? Or what is it? A partial preamble to Star Wars trumps all the storytelling? The aliens/animals/witches/wizards don't exist in "our universe"? I thought it was just a different galaxy? They don't have to follow the physical laws of our universe?

Ghost is fantasy, correct? :)

[90sAce]

Now that I think of it the force was something handed down genetically. (Even before the prequel films and the "metaclorins" or whatever they're called - Luke told Leia she had the ability to learn the force herself because she was his sister). So it's not clear whether the force is actually supernatural, or just some evolutionary trait like Citizen Rules was saying

[gbgoodies]

But then you and GB will just no-vote anything that even slightly resembles horror. I say no.


I'm willing to be reasonable about this. I'm not just saying anything with a little bit of horror shouldn't be allowed. I'm just trying to avoid a bunch of movies about aliens killing humans in a slasher type of movie. Or a bunch of movies that are gory and/or grotesque. Those types of movies belong in the horror and/or creature feature HoFs.

I don't mind a movie that's mostly sci-fi with some horror elements. I just don't want to watch movies that are mostly horror movies with some basis in sci-fi.

I agree that something like Alien is mostly sci-fi, and it should be eligible, but I think that The Fly is mostly horror, and it should not be eligible. I'm still trying to figure out where the line should be drawn between the two genres.

[Used Future]

Demon Seed? :cool:

Never seen it. Think I'll like it?


Demon Seed is excellent and on my top 100 favourites list. Donald Cammell's best in my opinion - yes much better than Performance :eek:. I say watch it on a double bill with Colossus: The Forbin Project just to see where Jimmy Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd got the idea for Skynet. :cool:

[Swan]

I'm willing to be reasonable about this. I'm not just saying anything with a little bit of horror shouldn't be allowed. I'm just trying to avoid a bunch of movies about aliens killing humans in a slasher type of movie. Or a bunch of movies that are gory and/or grotesque. Those types of movies belong in the horror and/or creature feature HoFs.

I don't mind a movie that's mostly sci-fi with some horror elements. I just don't want to watch movies that are mostly horror movies with some basis in sci-fi.

I agree that something like Alien is mostly sci-fi, and it should be eligible, but I think that The Fly is mostly horror, and it should not be eligible. I'm still trying to figure out where the line should be drawn between the two genres.

I can compromise with this. As long as you're willing to be reasonable. It shouldn't matter, anyway, if I'm the only one you have to worry about - I'm obviously going to try to nominate something appropriate. :)

[Swan]

Demon Seed is excellent and on my top 100 favourites list. Donald Cammell's best in my opinion - yes much better than Performance :eek:. I say watch it on a double bill with Colossus: The Forbin Project just to see where Jimmy Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd got the idea for Skynet. :cool:

Nice! It looks excellent. I'll have to check it out.

[Camo]

This is an internet forum and it's not like a new HoF would seriously disrupt the forum, people interested in this are the types who are not necessarily interested in the other HoF. Also, given the enormous deadlines of these HoF one person can easily participate in several at the same time.

Do what you want, but i personally feel there should be a limited amount run at one time. Mostly so that the amount of dropouts are reduced, and that the amount of participants are as large as possible. Maybe you can participate in several at a time, but that doesn't mean the rest of the forum can, and i think it's a bad idea for someone to have to pick between say Horror and Sci-Fi because their time is limited especially since it could take a while for us to get back around to those Genres. Not to mention the amount of these which will pop up every week.

Still again do what you want.

[gbgoodies]

I can compromise with this. As long as you're willing to be reasonable. It shouldn't matter, anyway, if I'm the only one you have to worry about - I'm obviously going try to nominate something appropriate. :)


I'm always willing to be reasonable. :up:

[mark f]

In a democratic society one's opinion or vote may "lose". These are supposed to be fun, but they're too much drama for me. :)

[mark f]

A Lucas quote at this year's Sundance Festival - "Star Wars really isn't a science-fiction film, it's a fantasy film and a space opera." :)

[Gatsby]

A Lucas quote at this year's Sundance Festival - "Star Wars really isn't a science-fiction film, it's a fantasy film and a space opera." :)
So he's finally admitting Star Wars is a fantasized space version of a lot of Kurosawa films. :D

[Hit Girl]

Swan I'm not in doubt that Star Wars is Sci-Fi, I know that it's not fantasy. I don't care what IMDB says. What makes Star Wars fantasy, I'm asking the MoFos.

Science fiction is 'what if' stories, what if a computer sent back an android to kill the mother of the saviour of the human race. To quote Wiki, science fiction often explores the potential consequences of scientific and other innovations e.g. Jurassic Park.

Star Wars is a 'once upon a time' story, a fairy tale, A Long Time Ago In a Galaxy Far, Far Away... it's fantasy through and through.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

Science fiction is 'what if' stories, what if a computer sent back an android to kill the mother of the saviour of the human race. To quote Wiki, science fiction often explores the potential consequences of scientific and other innovations e.g. Jurassic Park.

Star Wars is a 'once upon a time' story, a fairy tale, A Long Time Ago In a Galaxy Far, Far Away... it's fantasy through and through.I agree, Star Wars is fantasy with spaceships in it. It's based on Asimov's Foundation series, which is classed as sci-fi - so I don't know what to think now.:D

[Citizen Rules]

Is this Sci Fi Hof still going to take place? Or should I just make my own special Hof like Guap;)

And if this one takes place, Guap are you going to flounce of MoFo in a huff again or what? Seriously, if everyone is going to dedicate their time watching the nominations, I like some assurances that this Hof is going to be run to the same high standards as the main Hofs. I have my doubts.

[gbgoodies]

This was posted by Godoggo on the B Movie Creature Feature HoF thread earlier today, so obviously Guap never got the okay to run this one before posting about it.

Since I couldn't be given the time to get my health back in order before someone went and started another one on top of me, this one is cancelled.

If you guys aren't going to use any kind of organization to these special ones, these HoFs are going to get ruined.



Since Godoggo put a lot of time and effort into making a schedule, and this Sci-Fi HoF wasn't on the schedule, I think this HoF should be postponed, and Godoggo should run the B Movie Creature Feature HoF as scheduled.

[Sedai]

Swan I'm not in doubt that Star Wars is Sci-Fi, I know that it's not fantasy. I don't care what IMDB says. What makes Star Wars fantasy, I'm asking the MoFos.

It is absolutely fantasy - it contains fantastical creatures, and fantastical situations that could never actually occur, ever, anywhere, set in a a fantasy universe that doesn't exist. You can't bank in space like in a dog fight - that is completely and utterly fantastic and in no way ever supported by (good) science.

Most of Contact and most of Interstellar are true science-fiction, because it is completely plausible that messages from space could be sent with info on how to build a space travel device that works with the known laws of physics. A wormhole is theoretically possible, so one could possibly be created, after which we would possibly send a craft through it to another galaxy, at which point it is possible that there would be a world close enough to a black hole so as to create a tidal situation such as the one portrayed in the film. This type of stuff is hard science fiction. Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series are hard sci-fi. No aliens, no battles, no The Force - just some astronauts terraforming a planet that exists in our own solar system. It;s fictional, yet plausible stories centered around science.

Wookies are fantasy. The Force is fantasy. banking in space while fighting other little ships that are banking is fantasy. There is no air in space to create the lift or resistance needed to bank in a dog fight.

Guardians of the Galaxy = Fantasy

Moon = Science Fiction

Talking trees and raccoons aren't real while cloning is.

Tolkein's works are fantasy, but they by no stretch of the imagination define what fantasy is or can be - it's not just orcs and dragons.

That's my way of looking at it.

[Guaporense]

Sorry for the delay. I was traveling so I couldn't answer any questions here.

[MovieGal]

Think of it this way.. if its not real.. and possible in the current state of science and the earth... its fantasy...

and I should say to an extend... per science.. dinosaurs walked among the earth at one time.. so they are part of science fiction (Jurassic Park).. and not considered fantasy...

[Guaporense]

Since Godoggo put a lot of time and effort into making a schedule, and this Sci-Fi HoF wasn't on the schedule, I think this HoF should be postponed, and Godoggo should run the B Movie Creature Feature HoF as scheduled.

I forgot about that schedule, sorry for posting this thread. Ok, so this one can go after that B Movie Creature Feature, right?

[Guaporense]

It is absolutely fantasy - it contains fantastical creatures, and fantastical situations that could never actually occur, ever, anywhere, set in a a fantasy universe that doesn't exist. You can't bank in space like in a dog fight - that is completely and utterly fantastic and in no way ever supported by (good) science.

Most of Contact and most of Interstellar are true science-fiction, because it is completely plausible that messages from space could be sent with info on how to build a space travel device that works with the known laws of physics. A wormhole is theoretically possible, so one could possibly be created, after which we would possibly send a craft through it to another galaxy, at which point it is possible that there would be a world close enough to a black hole so as to create a tidal situation such as the one portrayed in the film. This type of stuff is hard science fiction. Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series are hard sci-fi. No aliens, no battles, no The Force - just some astronauts terraforming a planet that exists in our own solar system. It;s fictional, yet plausible stories centered around science.

Wookies are fantasy. The Force is fantasy. banking in space while fighting other little ships that are banking is fantasy. There is no air in space to create the lift or resistance needed to bank in a dog fight.

Guardians of the Galaxy = Fantasy

Moon = Science Fiction

Talking trees and raccoons aren't real while cloning is.

Tolkein's works are fantasy, but they by no stretch of the imagination define what fantasy is or can be - it's not just orcs and dragons.

That's my way of looking at it.

That's the conventional way, however, one should remember that technology if sufficiently advanced becomes indistinguishable from magic. Also Wookies could be understood as possible alien species (that just happen to be extremely similar to humans but with more fur and slightly larger). Overall, I think that Star Wars could be still contained under the straitjacket of sci fi if not for the force, but of course not hard sci fi.

[Citizen Rules]

I forgot about that schedule, sorry for posting this thread. Ok, so this one can go after that B Movie Creature Feature, right? Guap, I'm glad you posted that as anyone can make a mistake and you said you're sorry, so I'm cool with that.

Have you heard from Godogoo, I see she was posting, do you know if she's going to do the creature feature next or what?

I do have a great Sci-Fi film picked out and I'm ready to join up as soon as we have a starting date.

[Guaporense]

I send a couple of PMs but she did not reply.

[Citizen Rules]

Well maybe give her a few more days?

Meanwhile here's a short list of some great Sci-Fi films. I left out some of the big names like Star Wars, Matrix, Alien.

Some great Sci-Fi films here, a couple foreign language films, a couple animated films, some new stuff and a bunch of classic Sci-Fi. In no particular order.

WALL·E (2008)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Blade Runner (1982)
Stalker (1979)
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984)
Donnie Darko (2001)
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Solaris (1972)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
Dark City (1998)
Forbidden Planet (1956)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
The Time Machine (1960)
Island of Lost Souls (1932)
The Andromeda Strain (1971)
Five Million Years to Earth (1967)
Soylent Green (1973)
The Time Traveler's Wife (2009)
Melancholia (2011)
Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959)
The Last Man on Earth (1964)
Logan's Run (1976)
TRON (1982)
Silent Running (1972)
Robinson Crusoe on Mars (1964)
Rollerball (1975)

[mark f]

Apollo 13 should be omitted. :)

[Citizen Rules]

You're right! It's science fact, not fiction. Great movie though. I will edit that out, thanks

[Guaporense]

Well maybe give her a few more days?

Meanwhile here's a short list of some great Sci-Fi films. I left out some of the big names like Star Wars, Matrix, Alien.

Some great Sci-Fi films here, a couple foreign language films, a couple animated films, some new stuff and a bunch of classic Sci-Fi. In no particular order.

WALL·E (2008)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Blade Runner (1982)
Stalker (1979)
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984)
Donnie Darko (2001)
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Solaris (1972)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
Dark City (1998)
Forbidden Planet (1956)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
The Time Machine (1960)
Island of Lost Souls (1932)
The Andromeda Strain (1971)
Five Million Years to Earth (1967)
Soylent Green (1973)
The Time Traveler's Wife (2009)
Melancholia (2011)
Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959)
The Last Man on Earth (1964)
Logan's Run (1976)
TRON (1982)
Silent Running (1972)
Robinson Crusoe on Mars (1964)
Rollerball (1975)

Good list. I wouldn't classify Donnie Darko as a sci fi film though.

I like the Seiun Award list (voted by the participants of the Japanese Sci Fi convention, hence, many important Japanese sci fi titles are not unrepresented) though it includes TV series (and a videogame, but a plot heavy one) and fantasy titles besides sci fi:


Best Dramatic Presentation
Year Winner
1970 TV Series The Prisoner, Film Charly
1971 TV Series UFO
1972 Film The Andromeda Strain
1973 Film A Clockwork Orange
1974 Film Soylent Green
1975 Anime Uchū Senkan Yamato
1976 Theatrical play Star
1977 (No award)
1978 Film Solaris
1979 Film Star Wars
1980 Film Alien
1981 Film Star Wars/The Empire Strikes Back
1982 (No award)
1983 Film Blade Runner
1984 Film The Dark Crystal
1985 Film Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
1986 Film Back to the Future
1987 Film Brazil
1988 Film Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honneamise
1989 Film My Neighbor Totoro
1990 Anime Gunbuster
1991 TV Ginga Uchū Odyssey
1992 Film Terminator 2: Judgment Day
1993 Anime Mama wa Shōgaku 4 Nensei
1994 Film Jurassic Park
1995 Film Zeiram 2
1996 Film Gamera: Guardian of the Universe
1997 Film Gamera 2: Attack of Legion
1998 Tokusatsu Ultraman Tiga
1999 Film Martian Successor Nadesico: The Motion Picture – Prince of Darkness
2000 Anime Cowboy Bebop
2001 Video game Gunparade March
2002 Tokusatsu Kamen Rider Kuuga
2003 Anime Voices of a Distant Star
2004 Film The Two Towers
2005 Anime Planetes
2006 Tokusatsu Tokusou Sentai Dekaranger
2007 Film The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
2008 Anime Dennō Coil
2009 Anime Macross Frontier
2010 Film Summer Wars
2011 Film District 9
2012 Anime Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magika
2013 Anime Bodacious Space Pirates
2014 Film Pacific Rim


Totoro, Lord of the Rings, Gamera and Madoka are obviously fantasy though.

Nice to see Gunbuster and Wings of Honneamise in a best sci fi list though, those two are too obscure in the west to make one of those lists. I recommend every single title from that list, even Pacific Rim which is perhaps among the weakest titles there, is pretty watchable.

[NatashaR]

Is this HoF still happening? :p

[Guaporense]

In the future (a couple of months after the other ones are finished).