View Full Version : 6th HOF-K-On!
Nominated by: Guaporense
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/k-on/images/d/db/K-ON_Movie_DVD_cover.png/revision/latest?cb=20130510163915
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1909796/
Why I nominated it: I nominate this movie not because I regard it as an artistic achievement, but instead because of it's highly peculiar qualities, it's a movie about nothing, nothing at all, well besides cuteness for cuteness sake. There is only the bare bones plot (if you could call that a plot), just to serve as an excuse for the display of cuteness. Different from other movies, the characters here are said to be devoid of truly multidimensional personalities and the writing does not focus on that. Movies like Saw have been called torture porn, this movie can be called cuteness porn.
Some have criticized the Japanese obsession with cuteness but I find it awesome. Of course, many people hate the whole concept so there is a love-hate relatioship between this movie and it's associated franchise and the western anime fan community. I expect the same polarized reaction here.
Note: it's the movie, not the TV series. This is the movie: http://www.amazon.com/K--Movie-Blu-ray/dp/B00B6DTFTC/ref=sr_1_3?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1423717260&sr=1-3&keywords=k-on
cricket
02-12-15, 09:01 PM
Obviously I've never heard of this before, but I'll give it my best focus, and I look forward to it.
gbgoodies
02-12-15, 09:26 PM
Is this the right movie?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ_aiOlVbaA
cricket
02-12-15, 10:42 PM
I'm pretty sure that's it.
Godoggo
02-12-15, 10:50 PM
Yep, that's it. My friend's niece loves this. I've seen some of the show and some of this but I was also drawing so I missed big spots.
gbgoodies
02-12-15, 11:14 PM
I wasn't sure because when I looked it up on IMDB it was listed as a TV series, but I found the movie through the Movie Connections page.
Thanks. :)
Godoggo
02-12-15, 11:16 PM
No problem. Yeah, it's both a tv show and a movie.
With all the great anime movies around it's really weird that Guap keeps nominating things that half the people are gonna hate and will get completely turned off from anime - and then he'll get grumpy about it.
Guap, nominate great movies that are accessible to non-anime fans!!!!
Having said all that I'd imagine I'll quite enjoy it :)
I feel like you're supposed to nominate something you genuinely love and feel should be inducted into the Hall of Fame, and Guap's write-up makes it seem like he's not even that crazy about the film.
Miss Vicky
02-13-15, 12:01 AM
This ***** is so not cute.
Miss Vicky
02-13-15, 01:20 AM
Yeah, so this was awful.
I'll give a tiny bit of credit because the background scenes were pretty, but I've seen better. As Guap already said, there's not much of a story here. There's no real plot. No conflict. Just a bunch of giggling idiots who play horrible pop music. The "story" is about a group of high school girls who are in a band and take a trip to London where they bumble their way through while giggling and playing some more horrible pop music. During their trip, the four older girls try to write a song for the younger one, who won't be graduating with them. In the end, they succeed in writing a (really horrible) pop song. Then they play a concert at the school before graduation. Then they graduate. The end.
Somebody please explain to me what appeal this would have for anybody other than barely pubescent tweens?
0.5
christine
02-13-15, 02:06 AM
Is this the right movie?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ_aiOlVbaA
damn that's not available in the UK
Godoggo
02-13-15, 03:01 AM
With all the great anime movies around it's really weird that Guap keeps nominating things that half the people are gonna hate and will get completely turned off from anime - and then he'll get grumpy about it.
Guap, nominate great movies that are accessible to non-anime fans!!!!
Having said all that I'd imagine I'll quite enjoy it :)
Yeah, I think something like Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress or maybe even Apple Seed would get a better reaction and be a better introduction. I'm not a fan of the studio ghibli films but I could see some of those movies doing quite well in an HoF.
Godoggo
02-13-15, 03:03 AM
damn that's not available in the UK
Try this. http://www.watchanimemovie.com/sub-dub/k-on-movie.html
If that doesn't work there are several other places to try. :)
Also that link is English subbed if you're like me and hate dubbed.
christine
02-13-15, 09:23 AM
Try this. http://www.watchanimemovie.com/sub-dub/k-on-movie.html
If that doesn't work there are several other places to try. :)
Also that link is English subbed if you're like me and hate dubbed.
Thanks Go :)
Guaporense
02-15-15, 02:23 AM
By the way, to those who said anime is dominated by males and male desires (and fetishes). the movie's director is a woman:
Naoko Yamada (whose name I found out just now)
http://www.blogcaster.jp/img/person/beauty/naoko_yamada.jpg
She was just 27 when she directed it, it was the first movie she directed to be released in theaters.
K-On! became popular with highschool girls in Japan, that after the franchise took off stores of musical instruments started reporting sightings of groups of highschool girls shopping for instruments. A few months later a large number of musical instruments was found in garbage dumps. Apparently most of them didn't expect it would require any effort to learn how to play. :D
Guaporense
02-15-15, 02:26 AM
I feel like you're supposed to nominate something you genuinely love and feel should be inducted into the Hall of Fame, and Guap's write-up makes it seem like he's not even that crazy about the film.
No, I think it's important for general cultural knowledge to know the meaning of moe. And what's better than this film? I think it's a pretty special film in many ways.
About being crazy, well I was being crazy about other movies I nominated but that did not result into a strong reaction from the others who watched it. Since there is no correlation between my evaluation of the film and the outcome, why bother?
I am really crazy about the 2nd season of the TV series, which I rate as 5
Guaporense
02-15-15, 02:33 AM
With all the great anime movies around it's really weird that Guap keeps nominating things that half the people are gonna hate and will get completely turned off from anime - and then he'll get grumpy about it.
If you are turned off from a medium by a single movie, that only means you are extremely prejudiced.
Guap, nominate great movies that are accessible to non-anime fans!!!!
This IS accessible: it was nominated for a Japanese academy award in animation, lost to From Up On Poppy Hill. But I think this movie is more interesting than From Up On Poppy Hill. It also grossed 2 billion yen in the box office, becoming the top grossing animated film ever made based on a late night anime series.
If you expect people here to understand the super obscure and cult Kiarostami's films, then, why not this?
Having said all that I'd imagine I'll quite enjoy it :)
Don't worry. It's a pretty nice "healing" film. Like a 2 hour long version of those cute cat videos on youtube.
It's very different from Madoka and Utena, which are more "cerebral" stuff for hardcore anime fans. This is hated by anime elitists because it doesn't aim high at any point.
Guaporense
02-15-15, 02:39 AM
Yeah, I think something like Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress or maybe even Apple Seed would get a better reaction and be a better introduction. I'm not a fan of the studio ghibli films but I could see some of those movies doing quite well in an HoF.
If people don't nominate the most mainstream American (or world) live action stuff why I would need to nominate the most mainstream Japanese animation?
This movie is different from those (Satoshi Kon's) in that it's, well, quite different from anything you watched. It represents a whole new genre. Satoshi Kon's films are particularly popular with Western anime fans but they are essentially very similar to typical adult live action films.
Also, you haven't watched it, so just try to enjoy it. Don't try to watch it with any preconceived notions. It's just a nice healing movie, it's not supposed to be something hard.
Guaporense
02-15-15, 02:50 AM
Somebody please explain to me what appeal this would have for anybody other than barely pubescent tweens?
K-On!'s merchandise doesn't appear to target 12 year old girls:
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/f538a7230b5b12fa355b765a3d58354d1337809602_full.jpg
:D
It targets both genders, originally it was made for adults, the manga is classified as Seinen, which means manga for males between the ages of 20 and 50. Though it also became popular with high school girls.
It reproduces the feelings of affection that the lowly current young adult Japanese population is lacking. A theory that I know is that this type of stuff targets those in their late 20's and early 30's who wish to have kids but don't have them, yet. Personally, I would say that I am pretty much the target audience for it.
PMMM also has some interesting merchandise:
Neckties:
http://images.puella-magi.net/thumb/0/03/ACG_Necktie.jpg/600px-ACG_Necktie.jpg?20130216210954
Boxers:
http://images.puella-magi.net/5/50/Kokka_Trunks_01.jpg?20130216205814
Sexy Celebrity
02-15-15, 03:01 AM
Do you own any of that merchandise?
Miss Vicky
02-15-15, 03:39 AM
So you're saying that an animated bunch of airhead school girls (in really short skirts) are supposed to serve as surrogate offspring to childless 20 and 30 somethings? I don't buy it.
To me this views as a combination of pedo masturbation fodder and teeny-bopper nonsense.
christine
02-15-15, 07:18 AM
I watched K-On last night, After 5 minutes I had to turn the sound down and read the subtitles instead as the voices were even more high pitched and squealy than I anticipated, but after that I kinda got into it.
Setting the film in London was interesting, fun seeing how close they got to the actual streets and architecture - pretty close, and the animation on the backgrounds was really good.
It's difficult for someone unused to these type of cartoons to get what age these kids are supposed to be, so it took me a while to understand that it was a group of 18 year olds going to London(and their younger friend) , not a group of 6 year olds ! It was difficult to distinguish between them and their older sister and even the teacher too. Once I'd done that tho, there was a nice little theme of leaving school and friendships.
It probably works much better as a tv series as it was too long.
I can see young girls loving this, but I can't pretend the thought of older men (and women) loving this in more than a passing way a little weird.
On a serious note, there was a very interesting BBC Radio4 programme about how the Japanese see manga, and the more extremes of manga within their culture. There are opponents to the sexualisation of children and women over there too.
I hope you can listen to this as I don't know if it's available outside the UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wwkhl
Godoggo
02-15-15, 01:40 PM
If people don't nominate the most mainstream American (or world) live action stuff why I would need to nominate the most mainstream Japanese animation?
This movie is different from those (Satoshi Kon's) in that it's, well, quite different from anything you watched. It represents a whole new genre. Satoshi Kon's films are particularly popular with Western anime fans but they are essentially very similar to typical adult live action films.
Also, you haven't watched it, so just try to enjoy it. Don't try to watch it with any preconceived notions. It's just a nice healing movie, it's not supposed to be something hard.
Hey, I've watched everything you've nominated with an open mind. I get my preconceived notions for the episodes I've watched and the first fifteen minutes I did pay attention to it.
I'll go ahead and try it again, but I still feel a bit like this is a duck in a horserace. Swan is right when he said it didn't seem like even you sold it very well.
There are special HoF's now that will be running all the time. Maybe something like this would serve better in an anime only HoF?
Guaporense
02-16-15, 12:17 AM
By the way, I rate this movie very highly, it's place 51st place in my top 100 animations, just above From Up on Poppy Hill (52nd) and Up (53rd).
Another two reasons why I love it:
1. Explicit citation of Iron Maiden ("we are not Iron Maiden"), in the first minutes. I can't remember (right now) any other film which cited Iron Maiden (though School of Rock cited Iron Maiden indirectly:
http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/promo_650/public/media/school-of-rock-jack-black-650-430.jpg (see: heavy metal, between judas priest and metallica, by the way, that's the best part of the movie).
Iron Maiden is IMO the greatest popular music group of all time.
2. Has some of the best hand drawn animation I can recall. The individual characters in K-On! show their personalities in the way their hands move. That's incredible. Even screenshots transmit great emotion:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ou5sq9o63hU/UAoHXbENIHI/AAAAAAAAO68/eW6coJK_SP4/s640/C%2520Users%2520Douglas%2520Pictures%2520K-On%2521%2520Movie%2520-%2520K-on-movie00004.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-igYtdclsmnw/UAoHZ9r4hEI/AAAAAAAAO8g/NqN7T8bImN8/s640/C%2520Users%2520Douglas%2520Pictures%2520K-On%2521%2520Movie%2520-%2520K-on-movie00017.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tAona8TE-gQ/UAoHo5X9VXI/AAAAAAAAPB8/1uI9okAPFkE/s640/C%2520Users%2520Douglas%2520Pictures%2520K-On%2521%2520Movie%2520-%2520K-on-movie00062.jpg
Guaporense
02-16-15, 12:18 AM
Do you own any of that merchandise?
No but I am planning of buying these pajamas:
http://www.joygazm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/5a0aad3346a3188dad552a3bd06cc6ed.jpeg
:D
Guaporense
02-16-15, 12:23 AM
Hey, I've watched everything you've nominated with an open mind. I get my preconceived notions for the episodes I've watched and the first fifteen minutes I did pay attention to it.
The episodes? "It" the movie or the episodes?
I'll go ahead and try it again, but I still feel a bit like this is a duck in a horserace.
As all my other nominations. This movie is very popular itself, though, reading reviews on the internet. I don't see why it would rank lower than most other movies nominated here.
Which movies nominated for this HoF are famous masterpieces? I think only two can claim the honor: the one in the Western Front and Late Spring, which will probably rank among the first places. The others are not famous masterpieces but relatively obscure movies, like the one I nominated.
Swan is right when he said it didn't seem like even you sold it very well.
He did not say that. He said that it did not appear that I loved it, which is wrong, I rate it among my top 55 animated films, above several Ghibli films, any French animated film and any Pixar film.
There are special HoF's now that will be running all the time. Maybe something like this would serve better in an anime only HoF?
Perhaps. But I wouldn't nominate it again.
Guaporense
02-16-15, 12:32 AM
I watched K-On last night, After 5 minutes I had to turn the sound down and read the subtitles instead as the voices were even more high pitched and squealy than I anticipated, but after that I kinda got into it.
I though you wouldn't like that, considering you disliked the voice acting in "mainstream" films like 5 Centimeters per Second.
Setting the film in London was interesting, fun seeing how close they got to the actual streets and architecture - pretty close, and the animation on the backgrounds was really good.
I think that the studio who produced this film represents the current cutting edge in technical detail in hand drawn animation.
It's difficult for someone unused to these type of cartoons to get what age these kids are supposed to be, so it took me a while to understand that it was a group of 18 year olds going to London(and their younger friend) , not a group of 6 year olds ! It was difficult to distinguish between them and their older sister and even the teacher too.
Azuza is 17 (the younger friend) the older sister is actually younger, Ui, who is 17. The teacher is 26 (I think), all other characters are 18.
Once I'd done that tho, there was a nice little theme of leaving school and friendships. It probably works much better as a tv series as it was too long.
I can see young girls loving this, but I can't pretend the thought of older men (and women) loving this in more than a passing way a little weird.
But loving cartoons made specifically for children like Pixar and Totoro is not weird? Many adult people in this forum love some children's animated films unlike the vast majority of adults in the west.
At least this was made specifically for adults (and teenagers) in mind. Unlike 90% of western animation.
Well, it's weird for you because watching a movie about "cute kids doing cute things" is not a part of (current) British culture. Like it's weird for Brazilians to think that Scottish men can wear skirts. Culture varies across regions and time periods, so what's weird depends on the context.
On a serious note, there was a very interesting BBC Radio4 programme about how the Japanese see manga, and the more extremes of manga within their culture. There are opponents to the sexualisation of children and women over there too.
Well, sexualization of women is perfectly normal in any culture. And of course there are opponents there of it, like the fact that in the US there are opponents of porn all over the place.
Guaporense
02-16-15, 02:29 AM
So you're saying that an animated bunch of airhead school girls (in really short skirts) are supposed to serve as surrogate offspring to childless 20 and 30 somethings? I don't buy it.
No I am not saying that. I said it reproduces the basic feelings of affection.
To me this views as a combination of pedo masturbation fodder and teeny-bopper nonsense.
Ok miss curmudgeon. You can view things in positive or negative light. As a big fan of the K-On! franchise I never ever had any sexual arousal from it, instead the feeling I have from watching it reminds me of my highschool years and the feeling of looking at cute puppies or cats. It makes me profoundly happy and satisfied. Also they are not "airheads" but just manifestation of an important dimension of the human condition, a dimension some people appear to lack.
Miss Vicky
02-16-15, 03:55 AM
Also they are not "airheads" but just manifestation of an important dimension of the human condition, a dimension some people appear to lack.
And that "dimension of the human condition" is what? Stupidity?
"Oh my god, like you're supposed to believe that I'm moving on to college next year and that I'm of totally normal intelligence but I can't even grasp the concept of time zones." :rolleyes:
Eff that.
mistique
02-16-15, 04:15 AM
I'm not part of this HOF, but I just found K-On on youtube, and I'll it watch soon. Hope I like it.
christine
02-16-15, 07:45 AM
though you wouldn't like that, considering you disliked the voice acting in "mainstream" films like 5 Centimeters per Second.
maybe just me. I can't stand the way teenage girls shriek with excitment these days. I might be getting old but I'm pretty sure we didn't do that after the age of 5 back in the day!
I think that the studio who produced this film represents the current cutting edge in technical detail in hand drawn animation.
It's very impressive, I really liked the way London was rendered, and all the backgrounds
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oL79TNLwVKk/UAoHtR2WyOI/AAAAAAAAPD0/abTkrLseCLQ/s640/C%2520Users%2520Douglas%2520Pictures%2520K-On%2521%2520Movie%2520-%2520K-on-movie00078.jpg
http://www.animenation.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/K-On_movie_trailer.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WunzWBGbrks/UAoHv0P9nsI/AAAAAAAAPE0/UzhUcA7_gcQ/s640/C%2520Users%2520Douglas%2520Pictures%2520K-On%2521%2520Movie%2520-%2520K-on-movie00085.jpg
Azuza is 17 (the younger friend) the older sister is actually younger, Ui, who is 17. The teacher is 26 (I think), all other characters are 18.
ok I got that about right then!
But loving cartoons made specifically for children like Pixar and Totoro is not weird? Many adult people in this forum love some children's animated films unlike the vast majority of adults in the west.
At least this was made specifically for adults (and teenagers) in mind. Unlike 90% of western animation.
I do see what you mean, but there are differences. How can I explain - seeing a cartoon made for children through adult eyes is to relive childish thoughts of being scared in the dark or being at school or whatever, it's fun and nostalgic. I know almost every adult has favourite cartoons made for children but I don't see them buying knickers with Bambi on them.
Also a lot of Pixar animation ostensibly for children have jokes for adults scattered around which makes them fun to see with kids as they appeal across the age groups like Up.
Well, it's weird for you because watching a movie about "cute kids doing cute things" is not a part of (current) British culture. Like it's weird for Brazilians to think that Scottish men can wear skirts. Culture varies across regions and time periods, so what's weird depends on the context.
I agree. But what makes a person feel uncomfortable is what it is. I am uncomfortable with the thought of grown men walking around in underwear depicting K-On schoolgirls, sorry. Maybe it's just me. I feel the same way when I see grown adults massively obsessing about Harry Potter. It's weird in the way that kilts aren't. There you are I'm fulfilling your cultural stereotype ;)
Well, sexualization of women is perfectly normal in any culture. And of course there are opponents there of it, like the fact that in the US there are opponents of porn all over the place.
Sexualisation of women might be 'normal' but it doesn't make it right. Besides which it was the sexualisation of children which worries me.*
*edit - by the way I'm not talking about K-On here. I was referring to the link I gave in my other post
mistique
02-16-15, 07:54 AM
I've watched the first half hour now, and I think I'll take a break. I like it, it's cute. But I would rather just watch the series. I think slice of life animes, are best when in small doses, like in this case a 24 minute episode.
Guaporense
02-16-15, 09:43 PM
A good review of the movie:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/k-on/blu-ray
K-ON! The Movie doesn't try to change the world—but then again, that was never its purpose. This is a parting gift for fans of the series, and a fitting farewell for the four-fifths of the main cast who are moving on to college. Sure, the London trip doesn't have much of a story behind it, and it seems more like a showcase for hyper-detailed visuals and pure animation technique than anything else. But when the girls get home, and the emotions come pouring out, that's what makes the saga truly complete. More than just making music, more than just friendship, more than just cute girls doing cute things, K-ON! is a celebration of all the experiences that make up youth.
Captain Spaulding
02-17-15, 12:55 AM
I know almost every adult has favourite cartoons made for children but I don't see them buying knickers with Bambi on them.
Obviously you haven't seen my underwear drawer.
Guaporense
02-17-15, 03:30 PM
And that "dimension of the human condition" is what? Stupidity?
"Oh my god, like you're supposed to believe that I'm moving on to college next year and that I'm of totally normal intelligence but I can't even grasp the concept of time zones." :rolleyes:
Eff that.
I see that talking to you is a complete waste of my time. :)
gbgoodies
02-17-15, 03:32 PM
This is what I wrote about K-On! in my logbook thread.
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1257484#post1257484
I didn't have high hopes for it after reading the first few reviews here, but I went in with an open mind to give it a fair chance.
The movie is okay, but nothing special. However it's better than the reviews I've read here. The story about a group of teenage girls in a band who take a trip to London before their graduation seems to be aimed at teenage girls, so I'm not really surprised about the reviews.
The voices (in the dubbed version) are so high and squeaky that they sound like a female version of the Chipmunks. The songs are okay, but a bit annoying. (However I think that most teenage girls might like the songs.) Even in the dubbed version, the songs aren't in English, so I have no idea what they were singing about. The animation is pretty good, but I don't watch much anime, so I don't know how it compares to other anime.
According to IMDB, this was originally a TV series before the movie was released, so maybe it would be better if I had seen the TV series first and had some reference about the characters and their backgrounds.
2.5
Miss Vicky
02-17-15, 07:34 PM
The story... seems to be aimed at teenage girls...
Not if you ask Guap. This is for adults!
Even in the dubbed version, the songs aren't in English, so I have no idea what they were singing about.
Rice is a side dish. :laugh:
I haven't watched K-On! (not intending to either) and i haven't seen close to the amount of anime people like Guap, Zotis, Sane. Sedai, etc have seen, but i even looking at other Animes Guap likes that i haven't seen question why he nominated this. Everyone should nominate favourites but Guap nominated two similar Animes both having bad receptions, the seccond of which he failed to finish the HOF. It's of course his choice and everyone has different tastes, but looking at his top 100 Anitmated Films, i think i could pick alot that would be better recieved than K-On!, without even watching them.
Okay, this is a surprising unorthodox pick; I'm not going to watch it soon though, and the reason is that it has a context. If I am not mistaken this is the final entry in a franchise that includes two TV seasons (and I only watched the first so far, it was enjoyable though). So, to me, it doesn't make much sense as a pick. Not due to its risk but because it is better understood in context. A standalone work would be more fitting.
On the other hand this lack of proper perspective is not an excuse ti throw unnecessary vitriol over the intent and audience of the movie. So please, Miss Vicky. Debates are fine when you don't force a moral crusade against people for enjoying stuff you don't like. The pedophile and immature argument is tasteless -and sadly very common- and uncalled for.
This being for adults or not is not a debatable matter. In anime adaptations, demographics are defined by the manga they stem from and that's a seinen manga. Being more or less serious or "mature" is not the matter here, and neither is the topic at hand. Similar series are classified as shonen (for teen boys). This is not even the most strange case, check for instance the profoundly edgy and adult themes of Chi's sweet home, another seinen.
So in short, what do these data mean? Not much, they fit standards for age appropriateness that are alien to us; however it is absurd to cater K-On! for pedophiles because there's no sexual content or emphasis in it, and it is fruitless to label it as a show/film for immature people and manchildren because we have other forms of cuteness in our Western fiction (that maybe appear as more effective to us) and we know very well that this has never been an "only for kids" topic.
Great comment Jal. Still i don't think MVs Pedo comment was referring to Guap or can be refuted, her first comment is clearly her view of the movie, Guap posting pictures of Magical Girls on mens underwear does not help his case and points more towards him finding this funny rather than taking it seriously himself, in which case he sholdn't be joining HOFs in any case.
Miss Vicky
02-17-15, 10:12 PM
Debates are fine when you don't force a moral crusade against people for enjoying stuff you don't like.
I'm not forcing anything. I'm simply expressing my opinions and impressions about something that Guap himself doesn't even seem to have much respect for. People can like whatever the hell they want to like but the point of this thread is to discuss the film, which is what I've been doing.
Guap nominated this film knowing full well that there was a significant chance of it not being well received. Even other anime fans are questioning the wisdom of his choice. It seems crystal clear to me that this film has no business being a HOF nomination, but he insisted on nominating it anyway. He can deal with the consequences of that.
Godoggo
02-17-15, 11:35 PM
I don't mean to pile on, but the review you posted, Guap, wasn't exactly glowing. It was decent but pointed out a lot of flaws. . It also supports what others have been saying; that it's basically just a nice swan song to the fans.
Knowing that not many ,if any, of us would have seen the series, that makes the nomination a bit dubious. I feel like a couple notations lately have been more about having a captive audience than putting a great movie up.
The animation is this move is really, really good. The rest is mediocre to bad. I don't see this as a movie to go up against the likes of what has been inducted thus far.
I'm not forcing anything. I'm simply expressing my opinions and impressions about something that Guap himself doesn't even seem to have much respect for. People can like whatever the hell they want to like but the point of this thread is to discuss the film, which is what I've been doing.
Guap nominated this film knowing full well that there was a significant chance of it not being well received. Even other anime fans are questioning the wisdom of his choice. It seems crystal clear to me that this film has no business being a HOF nomination, but he insisted on nominating it anyway. He can deal with the consequences of that.
I'm expressing my opinions and impressions as well. As you say the point of this thread is discussing the film, not discussing whether its merchandise or content appeals to pedos or manchildren.
Yeah, maybe I overreacted on this, but it's quite a dead horse thing in the anime community. And it is tasteless to introduce this in a serious debate because Guap -or whoever- has to confront a preconception on his motivations for enjoying the show or buying merchandise.
The underwear merchandise thing looks strange to me -I don't tend to buy movie-related merchandise anyway- as well but as far as I know:
1. There is underwear merchandise as well from Western media (superhero movies, Star Wars, Star Trek).
2. The idea "underwear of cute anime girls" and "pedophilia" or "immaturity" do not correlate and are rooted on your prejudgements alone.
3. Merchandise, anyway, does not necessarily correlate with the main goal of a story.
Miss Vicky
02-18-15, 04:39 AM
Fact: I never said anything about the K-On or PMMM merchandise. Not one damn thing.
I think this whole argument is a plan made by Guap to make the film look really interesting and want us to see it, to cure the case of common curiosity or to join the argument.
Did it work? At least for me it did. :D
Miss Vicky
02-18-15, 04:49 AM
I think this whole argument is a plan made by Guap to make the film look really interesting and want us to see it, to cure the case of common curiosity or to join the argument.
But you don't even need to have seen the film to join in the argument, Gatsby.
jal90 hasn't seen it, either. Come on in!
Yeah, I'm making things up :p!
So you're saying that an animated bunch of airhead school girls (in really short skirts) are supposed to serve as surrogate offspring to childless 20 and 30 somethings? I don't buy it.
To me this views as a combination of pedo masturbation fodder and teeny-bopper nonsense.
Come on, now.
Miss Vicky
02-18-15, 05:00 AM
I was talking about the film. Not the stupid panties.
Get your ***** straight.
Sorry then. However changing "merchandise" for "content" and "intended audience" does not help this case. In fact it probably makes it worse.
Miss Vicky
02-18-15, 05:05 AM
Whatever you say. But I stand by my opinions and unlike you I've actually seen the film.
:p
Fine then, I have watched the first season of the series this film stems from, though.
christine
02-18-15, 09:22 AM
I was the one that commented on the underwear, but what do you expect when Guap posted about it himself! Not only that I agree with Vicky when she says
Guap nominated this film knowing full well that there was a significant chance of it not being well received. Even other anime fans are questioning the wisdom of his choice. It seems crystal clear to me that this film has no business being a HOF nomination, but he insisted on nominating it anyway. He can deal with the consequences of that.
Guap himself talks around the film rather than about it too:
It targets both genders, originally it was made for adults, the manga is classified as Seinen, which means manga for males between the ages of 20 and 50. Though it also became popular with high school girls.
He nominated it knowing full well it was going to be polarising, he said so himself, so it's hardly surprising that people react to what he says or the pictures he posts. You want to be provocative, then that's what you're going to get!
What seems plain to me now is that the film is a culmination of a few tv series over which the characters have become well known to viewers. So watching the climax of a school life series where they leave school was always going to leave non-viewers cold, and only able to judge the girls on the face of it. How are we to know that Yui is always an airhead or that Azusa is highly strung. Those are running gags that fall flat on their faces in a one off final film where we're all new to the situation.
I think we've all reacted as best we could to what we were given, just the same as we will do or have done to all the other films in the HoF.
I've learned that from cuteness porn is not something I'm a fan of, despite the excellent animation ;)
Hey jal90 you ever notice how you don't ever get into confrontations that go this route despite your love for Anime. Things that make you go hmmm. Well things that make some go hmmm. I think most of us figured out the common denominator a long time ago.
Guaporense
02-21-15, 02:58 AM
I was the one that commented on the underwear, but what do you expect when Guap posted about it himself!
I posted it because I think it's very interesting. We don't see that in our culture, which I find fascinating.
He nominated it knowing full well it was going to be polarising, he said so himself, so it's hardly surprising that people react to what he says or the pictures he posts. You want to be provocative, then that's what you're going to get!
Not really provocative though. I wanted people to know about the existence of this new genre.
What seems plain to me now is that the film is a culmination of a few tv series over which the characters have become well known to viewers. So watching the climax of a school life series where they leave school was always going to leave non-viewers cold, and only able to judge the girls on the face of it. How are we to know that Yui is always an airhead or that Azusa is highly strung. Those are running gags that fall flat on their faces in a one off final film where we're all new to the situation.
I think that this film works quite well without the TV series though and I don't think one needs to watch the TV series to understand the film's plot (it's pretty simple to start with). If you are a fan of the series you will like the characters more, same with any other film based on a TV series or based on a novel if you are a fan of the novel.
I think we've all reacted as best we could to what we were given, just the same as we will do or have done to all the other films in the HoF. I've learned that from cuteness porn is not something I'm a fan of, despite the excellent animation ;)
It's ok. I just wanted for you to know there is such thing as animated cuteness porn. :D I think it's a fascinating development.
Guaporense
02-21-15, 03:07 AM
Okay, this is a surprising unorthodox pick; I'm not going to watch it soon though, and the reason is that it has a context. If I am not mistaken this is the final entry in a franchise that includes two TV seasons (and I only watched the first so far, it was enjoyable though). So, to me, it doesn't make much sense as a pick. Not due to its risk but because it is better understood in context. A standalone work would be more fitting.
I would slightly disagree because one can easily understand this movie without watching the TV series (it was made in that way). I think it even appeals to a broader demographic than the TV series did and that it is more conventionally plotted as well.
So in short, what do these data mean? Not much, they fit standards for age appropriateness that are alien to us; however it is absurd to cater K-On! for pedophiles because there's no sexual content or emphasis in it, and it is fruitless to label it as a show/film for immature people and manchildren because we have other forms of cuteness in our Western fiction (that maybe appear as more effective to us) and we know very well that this has never been an "only for kids" topic.
I know that western media includes cuteness (find Seinfeld to feature quite cute characters as well, as well as Futurama), even Miss Vicky's nomination includes a cute little boy in costume that hugs people (clearly appealing a little to cute pornography quite like K-On! does), but I don't know any western media that focuses entirely on cuteness (besides cat magazines and cat videos on youtube).
Guaporense
02-21-15, 03:10 AM
Yeah, maybe I overreacted on this, but it's quite a dead horse thing in the anime community.
Anime fans are westerners as well with common western preconceptions. That's why they like Trigun way more than K-On! (though I prefer Trigun as well).
And it is tasteless to introduce this in a serious debate because Guap -or whoever- has to confront a preconception on his motivations for enjoying the show or buying merchandise.
Indeed. Thanks very much for intervening.
The underwear merchandise thing looks strange to me -I don't tend to buy movie-related merchandise anyway- as well but as far as I know:
1. There is underwear merchandise as well from Western media (superhero movies, Star Wars, Star Trek).
2. The idea "underwear of cute anime girls" and "pedophilia" or "immaturity" do not correlate and are rooted on your prejudgements alone.
3. Merchandise, anyway, does not necessarily correlate with the main goal of a story.
I posted it because I find it fascinating. It's something that you would see in the west in merchandise for 10 year old girls.
Guaporense
02-21-15, 03:13 AM
I don't mean to pile on, but the review you posted, Guap, wasn't exactly glowing. It was decent but pointed out a lot of flaws. . It also supports what others have been saying; that it's basically just a nice swan song to the fans.
It was more positive than what you are making it sound like.
The animation is this move is really, really good. The rest is mediocre to bad. I don't see this as a movie to go up against the likes of what has been inducted thus far.
That's because you dislike the genre of this movie, it's a new genre, that you are not used to.
For instance, I found the movie you nominated to be quite good, but it is also nothing really phenomenal. Not extraordinary in any way, just a good conventional drama film.
Guaporense
02-21-15, 03:19 AM
I haven't watched K-On! (not intending to either) and i haven't seen close to the amount of anime people like Guap, Zotis, Sane. Sedai, etc have seen, but i even looking at other Animes Guap likes that i haven't seen question why he nominated this. Everyone should nominate favourites but Guap nominated two similar Animes both having bad receptions, the seccond of which he failed to finish the HOF.
No I did not. The Utena film is completely different from Madoka. Completely different. Both include visual experimentation and the direction of Madoka is heavily influenced by Ikuhara's, but that doesn't mean they are similar. They are also very well received works of art, there is no apriori reason for me to not expect them to not be well received.
I don't understand why they would be badly received either. I would think somebody would need to be a really closed minded film buff to not be able to appreciate Madoka. If you are expected to understand Iranian art films, Madoka should be easier and more accessible.
It's of course his choice and everyone has different tastes, but looking at his top 100 Anitmated Films, i think i could pick alot that would be better recieved than K-On!, without even watching them.
But I think K-On! is special for the following reasons:
1. It's simple, it lacks complexity which makes it more accessible. It's way easier to enjoy than the last two films I nominated.
2. It represents the only mainstream moe film ever made up to this point.
Yes, I could have nominated Spirited Away or The Godfather and just see it take the top spot. But that's not interesting as well, nobody learns nothing from it.
Also, I am trying to please people here, but it's too hard for me:
I nominated PMMM, they complained it's too easy to understand. So I nominated Utena, they complained it's too hard to understand. So I nominated K-On!, way easier and simpler than all previous stuff I nominated for previous HoF, visceral cuteness, without any cerebral requirement to grasp, and now they complain it's too empty a film! They are impossible people to please indeed. :)
Edit: I will ask Seanc to change my nomination. :D Now I will pick something really, really, really conservative.
As you know i'm not a part of this HOF, and i haven't even seen this film so i shouldn't have commented in the first place; i apologize. Just to clarify a few things before i but out and leave this to the discussion of the movie. The bad reception i was referring to was how both had been recieved on this forum not overall and you knew that. Again i haven't watched any of the 3 you've nominated, but from the discussions and the posters i thought they all looked quite similar, cute girl Anime; i guess i was wrong i apologize again.
Anyway get back to discussing the movie guys.
One last thing, who are the cute characters in Seinfeld? That's the last thing i'd expect anyone to call any of them.
rauldc14
02-21-15, 04:53 AM
Um, you surely can't change your pick?!? If you get to change yours I get to change mine. AKA there is no changing your pick. You just get to see it come in last.
Edit: I will ask Seanc to change my nomination. :D Now I will pick something really, really, really conservative.
South Park.
South Park.
.… or Debbie Does Dallas.
Great avatar BTW :laugh:
Miss Vicky
02-21-15, 11:02 AM
If Guap gets to change his nomination, I'm not watching whatever he picks. No special treatment.
It's bad enough he was let in after the sign up deadline.
rauldc14
02-21-15, 11:14 AM
If Guap gets to change his nomination, I'm not watching whatever he picks. No special treatment.
It's bad enough he was let in after the sign up deadline.
Ditto, sadly.
Friendly Mushroom!
02-21-15, 11:54 AM
I'm personally against Guap changing his nomination. I haven't seen it yet so I don't have an opinion on it but I personally think he shouldn't change it simply because a lot of people that have already seen it didn't like it. It was his choice and I think he should go through with it.
gbgoodies
02-21-15, 01:32 PM
Add me to the list of people who are against Guap changing his nomination.
Edit: I will ask Seanc to change my nomination. :D Now I will pick something really, really, really conservative.
Sean said that's not fair to the people who already watched.
Sorry I didn't see that post earlier. I told him no when he PM me last night.
christine
02-21-15, 02:30 PM
Wasn't he just kidding?
Miss Vicky
02-21-15, 02:36 PM
Nope. He did actually send sean a PM asking to change it.
Guaporense
02-21-15, 03:09 PM
Wasn't he just kidding?
Not really. If they are obviously not going to be able to enjoy it then I would like to change the nomination.
But nevermind. I sure hope the rest likes it more than those who already watched it. But I don't have any expectations anymore.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/polls/789000/789931_1312126216876_full.jpg
Citizen Rules
02-21-15, 03:22 PM
It's not really cool to be discussing Guap's PM on a public board, unless he gave permission to do so.
Miss Vicky
02-21-15, 03:27 PM
It's not really cool to be discussing Guap's PM on a public board, unless he gave permission to do so.
Guap said himself that he sent the PM asking to change his nomination. Seanc acknowledged that he received it and stated what his response had been.
The rest of the participants have a right to know whether or not Guap was allowed to change his nomination. Nothing that happened is "uncool" and does not require Guap's permission.
The reason it was discussed is because he had also mentioned it here which I didn't notice till this afternoon. Guap knows his nom sticks, K-On is in. Lets all just move on.
Sorry MV I was posting at the same time. Nothing to see here folks. Lets move forward.
Guaporense
02-21-15, 09:07 PM
If I could change my nomination I would change it to this, also animated, but probably much better received given it's a very traditional drama arthouse film from 1987:
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/b35726fc2dadcc0deb4cde81601c4bfe1372376919_large.jpg
http://www.entertainmentfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/the-wings-of-honneamise-thora-116176.png
http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Wings-Of-The-Honneamise-All-About-Space.jpg
It's a film depicting the life of an astronaut in a fictional world undergoing a space race but similar to our own in the level of technology the mid 1960's.
I think people here would like it way more than K-On!, Utena, Nausicaa and PMMM actually. Since it lacks any cutesy elements at all. Super serious and widely regarded as one of the greatest sci fi films ever made by those into animation.
Though maybe it's for another HoF, I actually was thinking of nominating it for the one I nominated Utena.
christine
02-22-15, 04:18 AM
Well that was a missed opportunity Guap. That film looks interesting too. What's it called?
Guaporense
02-28-15, 03:52 AM
Wings of Honneamise
I planned to nominate it for the 4th Hall of Fame. It's really famous film among animation fans, but relatively unknown to film buffs in general. It's from 1987 and is already among the well established classics of sci fi anime.
Watched this a couple of days ago. Yeah, like most people have said it isn't very good. The animation is great but everything else is kind of lacking and girls talking like three year olds really isn't my thing I'm afraid.
It was the 38th Anime film I've watched in the last year or so and I rated it 38th. Even though I have watched a very small number I still can think of at least 20 anime films that are HoF worthy so I don't really get why this was nominated.
Anyway, each to their own and if I was a 13 year old Japanese girl I'd probably really like it :)
Guaporense
03-04-15, 01:46 AM
I guess this is a bit too "advanced". :) Like Kiarostami's films. ;) However, unlike Kiarostami's films, this is actually a more subtle artistic exercise.
Sane, you seem enjoy more the anime films that are more similar to conventional live action films.
Guaporense
03-04-15, 02:03 AM
I still can think of at least 20 anime films that are HoF worthy so I don't really get why this was nominated.
You already answered our own question (at least partially):
and girls talking like three year olds.
Again, I would appreciate a bit more respect for it. In the movie that I disliked I had way more respect for it than you seem to have for this. It's obvious that different people like different things and hence to understand and accept that would be appreciated. I myself am guilty of being disrespectful to movies in the past (but that was because I was indirectly telling people here to not be disrespectful of my fav. movies, but I noticed I need to be a bit more explicit here :D).
Thursday Next
03-10-15, 10:23 AM
I think this was a bit of an odd choice for a hall of fame nomination, since it follows on from two television series. Even the best movie-made-from-tv-show in the world isn't going to go over as well with non-fans, and this movie seemed like a sort of protracted goodbye to the characters and the show made for fans. If there was a tv show I loved and they made a movie in which the characters didn't do much but mill around being themselves, I'd probably love it, but without that emotional connection to the characters, it was hard to connect to this film. It took me a good while to work out which girl was which and what afternoon tea had to do with anything. Towards the very end it did manage to convey a bit of the whole emotion of leaving high school and friends behind, and the final song is quite sweet, but it didn't feel like to needed an hour and 45 minutes to get across that point.
I'm not entirely convinced by the argument that what would be considered flaws in most films, like a lack of depth, plot and character development, are actually just features of this film's particular genre. I think there could have been a bit more substance to it without compromising its 'simple and cute' credentials. Some of their escapades in London did become a bit annoying, especially when it was down to sheer ignorance on the characters' parts. Again, it might be a result of assuming the viewer would be familiar with the characters, but I thought a bit more effort put into giving them distinct personalities rather than different hairstyles might have made it more interesting.
The backgrounds in London were beautifully done, though.
rauldc14
03-10-15, 11:10 AM
Well, I will be watching this tomorrow. Hoping for great things.
rauldc14
03-11-15, 10:43 PM
Well I did indeed just finish K-On. Where to start with this one is I will say this is just not a good Hall of Fame choice, for the simple fact that it doesn't have a wide appeal to begin with. You can't expect a film like this to fare well in this competition.
So, how did I feel about it? I thought the whole band idea itself was ludicrous. They were a terrible band. One, two, three, four, Rice! Rice is not a side dish? These people would have had apples and tomatoes thrown at them on the stage if this was meant to resemble reality. And if it wasn't, it was way too damn cartoonish for me. The idea of 17 year olds going to London for a couple of days for Graduation and acting the way they did was rather silly to me too. Oh, and then they have to think up a song and it's a terrible piece of trash as well.
I will say the animation itself was actually well done. But that wasn't near enough to overturn it for me. That being said, this is head and shoulders above Utena and PMMM. I'm currently waffling back and forth as to where this will place for me. Near the basement certainly, but actually not a full blown guarantee either.
cricket
03-11-15, 10:48 PM
I think I'm going to watch it tomorrow.
Thursday Next
03-12-15, 07:47 AM
I think the problem with K-On! is not that it's particularly bad, it's pretty inoffensive stuff that I can understand some people (especially fans of the show) could find moderately entertaining. I didn't hate it. It's just that we're voting for a movie to go in a hall of fame here, and it should be a great movie, which K-On! is not.
rauldc14
03-12-15, 08:20 AM
I think the problem with K-On! is not that it's particularly bad, it's pretty inoffensive stuff that I can understand some people (especially fans of the show) could find moderately entertaining. I didn't hate it. It's just that we're voting for a movie to go in a hall of fame here, and it should be a great movie, which K-On! is not.
Correct, which will easily justify its ranking on the list.
rauldc14
03-12-15, 08:21 AM
That's also why its important in future HOFs not to always place so much weight in nominating unseen films. I get the point, but we are trying to find awesome, worthy stuff.
I don't get why all you guys disliked it. Personally I think it's a satirical masterpiece.:D
rauldc14
03-12-15, 10:52 AM
Have you seen it Gatsby?
Thursday Next
03-12-15, 10:54 AM
People are always going to have different ideas of what is great, of course, and it's good to have a range of different genres and styles. And I don't think we can or should restrict ourselves to whatever is on the imdb top 250, for example, because there are probably tons of great movies that lots of people haven't seen. But if you are nominating a film it should be because you genuinely think it is great.
I think the decision between choosing a critically acclaimed film by basically everyone and your personal favorite is the main hard part of Hall of Fames and also one of the best and fun parts. Everyone wants to win, of course, but choosing an already popular film is sort of cheating and kind of against what Hall of Fames are for. On the other hand if you choose one of your own favorites you might be high in hopes of introducing everyone to it, but it might end up in your nomination being ranked low.
The fun side is the hope of discovering a new favorite film, or re-watching an already favorite of yours. Either way, it's a win situation, but obviously you would want to discover a new film instead of boringly visit the old. However there is a risk as the new film might end up being your worst enemy and end up a waste of time.
Summarized by the paragraphs above, there are a lot of easiness and enjoyment and at the same time some dilemmas, but overall it's one of the best movie-based tournaments on MoFo, and in the end at least slightly enjoyable, even in the worst situations, for everyone.
Godoggo
03-12-15, 11:20 AM
I think the decision between choosing a critically acclaimed film by basically everyone and your personal favorite is the main hard part of Hall of Fames and also one of the best and fun parts. Everyone wants to win, of course, but choosing an already popular film is sort of cheating and kind of against what Hall of Fames are for. On the other hand if you choose one of your own favorites you might be high in hopes of introducing everyone to it, but it might end up in your nomination being ranked low. .
I feel like I've said this a lot but it's not cheating to put a well-known movie in an HoF. You may not want to go that route and that's fine, but if you want to see The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Persona or The Bicycle Thieves inducted there is absolutely nothing "unfair" about that. May the best film win. That's what the HoF is for.
rauldc14
03-12-15, 11:36 AM
The first HOF was a great prime example of picking critically acclaimed films and still having fun with it.
I would love to see a HOF where we bring out all the big boys. It would give us an excuse to watch classics we haven't seen in a long time. It might force people to watch some of those daunting epics they kerp putting in the back burner like Gone With The Wind or Lawrence Of Arabia. When Psycho won the first I thought that was kind of the way we were going. Now it seems people kind of treat it like a hidden gem HOF. Oh well, either way we proved Nashville and Sideways never stand a chance.:D
gbgoodies
03-12-15, 02:27 PM
I would love to see a HOF where we bring out all the big boys. It would give us an excuse to watch classics we haven't seen in a long time. It might force people to watch some of those daunting epics they kerp putting in the back burner like Gone With The Wind or Lawrence Of Arabia. When Psycho won the first I thought that was kind of the way we were going. Now it seems people kind of treat it like a hidden gem HOF. Oh well, either way we proved Nashville and Sideways never stand a chance.:D
That's actually a good idea for two different Hall of Fames. One HoF for well-known, top-rated classic films, and another HoF for hidden gems, with no well-known classics allowed.
rauldc14
03-12-15, 02:50 PM
I don't think Hall of Fames need to be separated. The Rock and roll hall of fame doesn't separate people in different music subgenres, and baseball and football hall of Fames don't separate positions either.
Anyways, this thread is about K-On so ill end my discussions.
cricket
03-13-15, 09:08 AM
I watched this last night and I wish I had something new to add, but unfortunately I don't. I went into it with a positive frame of mind hoping for the best. It's not a bad movie and I thought the animation was great, but I just don't know who this would appeal to besides pre-teen or early teen girls. If another 43yo American guy loved this movie, I would automatically consider him to be very odd. I don't want to crap on the movie because I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but there's nothing in it for me. An unfair rating, but for my viewing pleasure, it's no more than 2
Thursday Next
03-13-15, 11:08 AM
I feel like I've said this a lot but it's not cheating to put a well-known movie in an HoF. You may not want to go that route and that's fine, but if you want to see The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Persona or The Bicycle Thieves inducted there is absolutely nothing "unfair" about that. May the best film win. That's what the HoF is for.
Completely agree. Also, you can't assume everyone has seen everything. I've never seen The Bicycle Thieves, so I'd be glad if somebody nominated that, then I'd have to get round to watching it.
Guaporense
03-16-15, 09:56 PM
So in short, what do these data mean? Not much, they fit standards for age appropriateness that are alien to us; however it is absurd to cater K-On! for pedophiles because there's no sexual content or emphasis in it, and it is fruitless to label it as a show/film for immature people and manchildren because we have other forms of cuteness in our Western fiction (that maybe appear as more effective to us) and we know very well that this has never been an "only for kids" topic.
Kids don't understand cuteness. It's the adults hoe feel the cuteness which is generated by small children and puppies because it's a defensive mechanism of creatures still developing use to make adults protect them. When I was younger than 20 I didn't understand cuteness and only now as a mature adult I am able to appreciate stuff like this (though that doesn't apply to other people in general since I had a friend who was able to appreciate the cuteness of a puppy even though he was 16 at the time)..
The pedophilia thing is caused by the western obsession with sex in general. While the visceral feeling of cuteness is suppressed in western culture the visceral feeling of sex is magnified Sex is the number one priority in the lives of perhaps the majority of the population of the western world. I friend of mine even said once that he would prefer to be death rather than alive but impotent. And as result they assume sex is also the only thing that exists for others as well so if they see an adult male watching a show about little girls they assume this guy is sexually attracted to little girls, because they assume that's the only thing adult males are able to feel. But we (at least some of us) are a bit more complex than that. :D
Yeah noone accused you of that Guap. Unless this was an admission of you buying K-On! underwear :p .
Guaporense
03-16-15, 10:28 PM
People are always going to have different ideas of what is great, of course, and it's good to have a range of different genres and styles. And I don't think we can or should restrict ourselves to whatever is on the imdb top 250, for example, because there are probably tons of great movies that lots of people haven't seen. But if you are nominating a film it should be because you genuinely think it is great.
It's on the top 250 of MyAnime list, it's rated 8.39 and ranked 157th place:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/9617/K-On!_Movie
So you cannot say this movie is not considered great because it is a well regarded film.
Even on the IMDB it has rating 7.3, higher than many other movies nominated for HoF here. It also shows, however, given the rating difference, that it appeals much more to anime fans than to movie fans.
Anyway, among the other movies nominated for HoF the only great ones in this one is All Quiet in the Western Front and Late Spring. The others are mostly very good but nothing "WOW what a great movie". What's great or not is subjective, the obvious thing here is that this is not the type of movie people here are used to watching (they don't even have anything to compare with it). Well, even the anime critics at the ANN were unable to grasp moe titles in 2006-2008, before the genre became well entrenched in the medium and people whose aesthetic preferences fit with the moe genre discovered anime,
Guaporense
04-16-15, 03:47 AM
Interesting review of K-On! the Movie from The Anime Encyclopedia:
"The K-ON! movie takes the girls to London for their graduation trip, wrapping up the story before they head to university. It functions as an intriguing, often inadvertent study of the Japanese abroad, from the impossibly tight schedule for a once-in-a-lifetime trip, to the oddly parochial mindset that packs a suitcase of Japanese food "for emergencies". London itself comes to life as a character in its own right, with beautifully observed moments of tourist encounters and a denouement like something out of Cinderella, as the girls play their final concert on the South Bank, with the clockface looming before them, counting down not only the time until their flight, but until the likely end of their youth and community."
The Anime Encyclopedia 3rd edition, page 410.
Epic!
By the way the writers of the encyclopedia are two British authors.
Well, did I watch the wrong movie or am I the only one who actually liked it?
Reading all the reviews here I was hoping to hate it, specially because anime is not my thing (I think the only one I truly enjoyed was Spirited Away). It's plotless, as Guap said it would be, and I see why people can call it annoying, during the first 15 minutes I was thinking the same. However, I slowly got into it and I actually enjoyed! It has some really funny moments, it's really really cute (though I admit it goes to far, sometimes) and it's incredibly well drawn!
The last minutes are great, it made me remember my highschool last day! But I agree that they could probably get to the same feeling in less time!
I wouldn't call this a masterpiece but I'm glad this was nominated cause I had a good time watching it!
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rauldc14
04-25-15, 07:25 PM
It was better than UTENA and PMMM. It was watchable.
gbgoodies
04-25-15, 10:00 PM
I didn't hate it. I thought it was an enjoyable movie. I just didn't think that it was HoF quality, and it seemed to be aimed at an audience of young girls, which is almost non-existence here on MoFo.
Guaporense
04-26-15, 01:06 AM
Well, did I watch the wrong movie or am I the only one who actually liked it?
Reading all the reviews here I was hoping to hate it, specially because anime is not my thing (I think the only one I truly enjoyed was Spirited Away).
Anime is like American live action: it's a medium that spans the full spectrum of human sensibilities. Unless you dislike animation in itself you cannot dislike animation because it was made in Japan.
It's plotless, as Guap said it would be, and I see why people can call it annoying, during the first 15 minutes I was thinking the same. However, I slowly got into it and I actually enjoyed! It has some really funny moments, it's really really cute (though I admit it goes to far, sometimes) and it's incredibly well drawn!
The last minutes are great, it made me remember my highschool last day! But I agree that they could probably get to the same feeling in less time!
I wouldn't call this a masterpiece but I'm glad this was nominated cause I had a good time watching it!
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Yey! Somebody who is not closed minded watched it!
I didn't hate it. I thought it was an enjoyable movie. I just didn't think that it was HoF quality, and it seemed to be aimed at an audience of young girls, which is almost non-existence here on MoFo.
I nominated it for the HoF because it's a rather unique movie in the sense that it's essentially "cuteness pornography" which is something that's very rare (though My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is a Canadian TV series which is similar in that way). And yes, it's technically an adult film, though that is not obvious.
It's wasn't made for young girls, it's officially intended audience are men between the ages of 20 and 40. Though it happened to become popular with highschool girls as musical instruments were found in garbage cans around Japan, throwed away by highschool girls who found out it was harder to play in a band as the show made it appear.
It was better than UTENA and PMMM. It was watchable.
It's certainly far more accessible than these two. It was a mistake of mine nominating hardcore anime titles like these to a "mainstream" audience. Though most people enjoyed PMMM, the Utena movie is for hardcore anime buffs.
gbgoodies
04-26-15, 01:12 AM
I nominated it for the HoF because it's a rather unique movie in the sense that it's essentially "cuteness pornography" which is something that's very rare (though My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is a Canadian TV series which is similar in that way). And yes, it's technically an adult film, though that is not obvious.
It's wasn't made for young girls, it's officially intended audience are men between the ages of 20 and 40. Though it happened to become popular with highschool girls as musical instruments were found in garbage cans around Japan, throwed away by highschool girls who found out it was harder to play in a band as the show made it appear.
Just to let you know, I'm not criticizing your nomination. I'm just stating my opinion. There are several people here who don't think that my nomination is HoF quality either, but I think it's a great movie.
Guaporense
04-26-15, 01:15 AM
Well, in my opinion only All Quiet in the Western Front and Late Spring are Hall of Fame quality. :)
gbgoodies
04-26-15, 01:28 AM
Well, in my opinion only All Quiet in the Western Front and Late Spring are Hall of Fame quality. :)
I think there were more than two HoF quality movies nominated. For example, Fail Safe, Das Boot, A Perfect World, and Brokeback Mountain are all top quality movies.
Anime is like American live action: it's a medium that spans the full spectrum of human sensibilities. Unless you dislike animation in itself you cannot dislike animation because it was made in Japan.
It's really hard for me to like an animated movie, anime or not!
rauldc14
04-26-15, 11:25 AM
So what's next for you Neiba?
I still have Late Spring, Ten, Brokeback Mountain, A Perfect World, Raise the Red Lantern and The Sweet Hereafter to watch! My next one will probably be Late Spring! I have to watch these things faster! :/
Guaporense
04-30-15, 03:38 AM
I wouldn't call this a masterpiece but I'm glad this was nominated cause I had a good time watching it!
I understand K-On! The Movie to be a masterpiece in the sense that there isn't any other movie which focuses so completely on cuteness and simultaneously succeeds in being entertaining and well made in all aspects. You can regard as movies of the same genre the numerous OVAs from other moe shows like Hidamari Sketch, but they are not in the same ballpark of quality as this film, or they are not quite in the same genre (I consider Aria superior but it's not the same genre).
It's really hard for me to like an animated movie, anime or not!
Ok, so you dislike animation.
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