The MoFo Top Film Sequels List - Voting

[MovieMeditation]

The MoFo Top Film Sequels List

*LIST IS ON HOLD. IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT*

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So after asking around the forums, it seems like such a thing as a ‘Top Film Sequels List’ has yet to be a reality. Therefore I thought it would be a very interesting countdown to do, and since I happened to suddenly think of it, I might as well be the one to push this bad-boy out into the world. :cool: But first here follows some rules and guidelines and all the usual stuff needed to participate. I hope Miss Vicky don’t mind that I used the Animation List as a partial draft for this list.
Or else just sue me! :D

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Rules and Guidelines for Voting

• THIS LIST IS SET ON HOLD. PLEASE DO NOT BUMP IT, AS THAT WILL HAPPEN NATURALLY AT AN APPROPIATE TIME. THANK YOU.

• Submit your ranked list of twenty-five titles, numbered 1-25 with no ties, to me via a private message with the title "[Your Username] - MoFo Film Sequels List.” Please DO NOT post your list in this thread or anywhere on the forums. Any member who publicly posts a list before the countdown is complete, whether it is your “final” list or not, will be disqualified as a voter. You may of course, as always, post your entries along the way, as they are revealed in the countdown.

• If you are truly having difficulty compiling a list of 25 sequels, but would still like to participate, I will accept ballots of fewer than 25 films and will score them the same as a full ballot of 25. However, partial ballots will not be accepted any earlier than February 15th, 2014.

• Once you have submitted your list to me, it is considered final. I will not accept any changes after the fact, except when questions of eligibility arise or if there is a mistake in numbering (such as a missing number), so make sure you are completely satisfied with your list before submitting.

• Your list must be ranked in numerical order. Films will be awarded points as follows: 25 points for 1st place, 24 points for 2nd place, 23 for 3rd and so on, all the way down to one point for your 25th placed film. As I am sure many of you already do, please include the release year of the film together with the title (example: The Godfather Part II (1974)). That way it will be easier to know exactly which film you are voting for and less confusion will happen.

• New members can participate and send in a list as soon as they have been a member here for 30 days.

• For the purposes of this list, sequels are defined as follows:

A sequel is defined as a narrative work that is complete in itself, but continues the story of, or expands upon, some earlier work. To be eligible for this list, the sequel needs to either portray, or in some way have a connection to, events or characters set in the same fictional universe as an earlier work (usually chronologically following the events of that work).

That means ALL sequels, whether it is 2, 3, 4 or 15, has to be somehow connected to the original work. Therefore NO reboots, remakes, re-imaginings or other of that matter, will be eligible, unless the given film is a sequel/prequel that has connection to the remake (example: 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' is a sequel to the rebooted entry 'The Amazing Spider-Man'), and therefore set inside the same fictional universe and not in the previously created one.

Usually it is also fairly easy to look it up online, to see whether an installment is considered a sequel, prequel, remake or a reboot.

Regardless of how a film connects with a TV series or written novel, it is the actual films that we focus on. Therefore, for example, the first Star Trek movie Star Trek: The Motion Picture is not an eligible sequel even if it continues from the series. We are talking MOVIE sequels/prequels on this list, only.

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• Prequels are allowed. As long as they are considered a “follow-up work” to the original it will be eligible. So there isn’t going to be any confusion, I ask you to please ask me in this thread, or via PM, whether or not a prequel is eligible. Either way, here is a quick definition of which kind of prequels are accepted in this countdown:

A prequel is defined in pretty much the same way as in the sequel definition above. The prequel has to be somehow connected to the original work, meaning either the same story is expanded upon, or the same actors, directors or writers are returning for a connected entry in the series. The entry has to be widely considered a “legit installment” in the series, and not just someone who gathered the rights to the franchise and tried to milk some money out of it. Therefore, many of you are probably happy about the fact that ‘Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom' IS indeed eligible.

• Full-length feature film sequels to a short film, or short film sequels to full-length feature films, ARE NOT eligible. Though short film sequels to a short film is eligible (though I doubt there is many of those out there, which are direct sequels). As long as it lives up to the terms listed above. But again, please do ask me so you don’t end up voting for a film/short, which I consider ineligible.

• When voting for foreign language films, please include the English language title of the film (when applicable) on your ballot. Including IMDb links would be very helpful as well. You may put both the original title and the English title, but it will be easier for me to tabulate the results if I am not accidentally counting one film as two. I will have enough issues with films that have multiple English language titles.

• I will do some of the graphic work myself, but please do PM me if you are great at doing graphics. I would feel a lot better if I knew there were a few nice MoFo’s out there, willing to help, and wouldn’t mind a PM from me if I suddenly needed something done. ;)

• If you are unsure of the eligibility of a particular title, please PM me or ask in this thread and I will make every effort to respond promptly. If I am unfamiliar with a particular title and my research does not clarify its eligibility, I will ask the opinion of other MoFos – but the final decision will be mine to make.


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Sequels/prequels NOT eligible for this list

• Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope - It is the first and original movie created in the series, regardless of the prequels that came after it. You may vote for its two sequels and all of the three prequels, but Episode IV will stand as the original and ineligible.

• Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - It is the first movie in the Middle-Earth universe and therefore not eligible. You may vote for it's two sequels and all of its three prequels.

• Star Trek (2009 reboot) - It was meant as a reboot and contains an all new main cast, regardless of how it wants to create alternative universes, strange connections to previous films, or whatever. You may vote for its sequel, Star Trek Into Darkness.

• Batman Begins - Although telling an origin story, it is in no way a prequel to any of the Burton movies or any other Batman project. It stands as a reboot, and therefore you can only vote its two sequels. Obviously though, you can vote for Batman Returns and all sequels following that, as they are themselves sequels to Burton's 1989 Batman.

• Bond franchise - Mostly it is just a movie series full of films based on the same basic source material with the same main character(s) present. Some Bond movies have direct sequels, like Casino Royale's direct follow-up, Quantum of Solace, but counting some and excluding others would be unfair and quite messy. Therefore the Bond films will stay ineligible.

[The Rodent]

Won't take me long to get a list together.


As for the example you gave with Dumb And Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd not being eligible due to differences and having a different cast... surely that would mean others aren't... like Star Wars prequel trilogy, or the 2010 The Thing prequel, or even Terminator 3 and 4.
They have different casts, writers and directors as well, and totally different backstories than were set up in the original film/s.


Not saying they'd get votes or anything, but if certain rules exist for one (your usage of Dumb And Dumberer for example), they have to exist for another.

[hello101]

Neat but I worry that sequels may be a little too niche for a countdown.

[Yoda]

Probably too niche for a full 100, though you never know. However, might cut down on entries to do it overlapping with the Animation reveal and the Top Films of the 60s voting (which will probably have started before this list's deadline).

That said, February 30th doesn't exist. ;)

[hello101]

Thinking about it, wouldn't the 100-90 ranks be pretty bad.

[The Rodent]

Not trying to sound pedantic or anything...


Can I ask about eligibility...


If a prequel has been made... does that mean the original film is now a sequel?


Example...
LOTR...


Are The Desolation Of Smaug and The Battle Of The Five Armies sequels to An Unexpected Journey? Or are they prequels to LOTR trilogy... in which case the first Hobbit film An Unexpected Journey is now eligible as a prequel too?


Are The Two Towers and The Return Of The King sequels?
Now they've made The Hobbit trilogy, does that mean The Fellowship Of The Ring is now eligible under sequels as well?
Technically The Hobbit books were written first, so are the Hobbit films technically not prequels but all 3 LOTR films are sequels?




I know this all sounds awkward... but when I did the comics list, I had to trawl over so thousands of minute details as to what was eligible.

[cricket]

How about the Dirty Harry movies and The Man with no Name trilogy?

[MovieMeditation]

I haven't said anything about a Top 100... We'll see how it goes and then I'll decide on whether it will be a Top 50, 40, 30 or whatever.

As for the example you gave with Dumb And Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd not being eligible due to differences and having a different cast... surely that would mean others aren't... like Star Wars prequel trilogy or even Terminator 3 and 4.
I might have made it kind of unclear, but Dumb and Dumberer was just an example and I expanded on the rules before that sentence and afterwards...

Star Wars Episode II for example, is a sequel to Episode I and therefore eligible. Terminator 3 and 4 are widely considered to be part of the franchise and are therefore also eligible.

Don't know about The Thing (2011) being eligible as I have not seen it. But if it is a prequel to the original story of the original film, then I guess it is eligible, yes.

[MovieMeditation]

Example...
LOTR...

Are The Desolation Of Smaug and The Battle Of The Five Armies sequels to An Unexpected Journey? Or are they prequels to LOTR trilogy... in which case the first Hobbit film An Unexpected Journey is now eligible as a prequel too?


Are The Two Towers and The Return Of The King sequels?
Now they've made The Hobbit trilogy, does that mean The Fellowship Of The Ring is now eligible under sequels as well?
Technically The Hobbit books were written first, so are the Hobbit films technically not prequels but all 3 LOTR films are sequels?

I know this all sounds awkward... but when I did the comics list, I had to trawl over so thousands of minute details as to what was eligible.
The Hobbit Trilogy as indeed prequel films to the LOTR franchise... But they are just counted as separate trilogies, that meaning each sequel to each series is eligible.

Desolotion of Smaug and Battle of Five Armies are sequels to An Unexpected Journey and therefore eligible. Same goes for the LOTR sequels, they are sequels to Fellowship of the Ring.

Same with Star Wars, two separate trilogies, but ALL sequels and prequels can be voted for, since they are either a sequel to Episode I or Episode IV. Episode I is a prequel and is eligible. But since Episode IV, the first Star Wars, was NOT released as a sequel it can NOT be voted for and is considered the first movie in the franchise.

That also answers your question about whether a prequel makes the original a sequel. It does not. There's the original movie, then there's sequels and prequels. So an original movie can never be voted for as it is the first in the series. Even if future movies might make it look like a sequel or whatever.

How about the Dirty Harry movies and The Man with no Name trilogy?

I would consider the sequels for Dirty Harry and the sequels for The Man with no Name eligible, yes, as they are also all widely considered part of the franchise.

I know many questions will come and I know rules may fall through the cracks, but it's only great we all discuss it!

[rauldc14]

Another countdown?!?!?!? Looks like I'll be getting to my precious 50s list in 2020.

[MovieMeditation]

Probably too niche for a full 100, though you never know. However, might cut down on entries to do it overlapping with the Animation reveal and the Top Films of the 60s voting (which will probably have started before this list's deadline).

That said, February 30th doesn't exist. ;)
Please do suggest when I should start this, as I haven't really got a hold of all the list in works or coming up. I'll just change the deadline.

[The Rodent]

Can't Phantom Menace be counted as a prequel to A New Hope though?


It was made with the mindset of being a prequel... with the mindset of starting the prequel trilogy. Surely 5 of the Star Wars films, not 4/6 are eligible? Ep I is a prequel, Eps II and III are sequels and prequels at the same time... and V and VI are sequels.


Just questions mind, doesn't mean I'll definitely be voting for them.

[MovieMeditation]

Can't Phantom Menace be counted as a prequel to A New Hope though?
Yes, I agree. Episode I should be eligible.

Only the original will always stand as "the first movie" (in connection to star wars, meaning Episode IV)and therefore not eligible.

That's how I see it... But I knew it would be so hard to agree on what prequels are eligible. Cause that would mean An Unexpected Journey is eligible as well. I'm all open for suggestions on what we do with franchises like that...

[Miss Vicky]

Expect to hear from me when voting is open for partial ballots. There are very few sequels and prequels that I enjoy. Actually very few of the movies I enjoy even have sequels and prequels.

[MovieMeditation]

Expect to hear from me when voting is open for partial ballots. There are very few sequels and prequels that I enjoy. Actually very few of the movies I enjoy even have sequels and prequels.
Great to hear!

[Miss Vicky]

I don't think you should change the number, all that will do is frustrate people who can come up with a full 25 that they really like and prevent some of the more obscure titles from making the list.

[The Rodent]

I've already got my 25.


Need to ask about Star Trek though...


Star Trek The Motion Picture is out, as it's the first of the series... that's obvious.


But are we counting the Shatnerverse as separate to TNG's movies? Kirk, Scotty and Chekov were in the first TNG movie after all...
And what about the JJverse (Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness)? They've got the original Spock in them.


So, are they all eligible apart from The Motion Picture (1979)?

[Voigan]

Great to heat! But I might change the number of movies on the list, needed.

Yeah, maybe 25 titles is too much now when we are talking sequels/prequels.

What would be ideal (asking all MoFo's)? ..15? ...10?
Since partial ballots are allowed I wouldn't worry too much about the maximum number allowed for each list. If most of the lists turned in only have around 10 or 15 titles then you might need to drop the final countdown to top 70/60/50 sequels or something but 25 sounds fine for individual lists.

Anyhoo, I'll send in a list at some point though it'll probably be a partial one. Of the top of my head, there are only about 10 sequels that I like enough to include. Question: Is The Avengers (2012) eligible?

[cricket]

I've got almost 50 marked down. I'm assuming The Color of Money is eligible?

[The Rodent]

Colour Of Money should be. It's a direct follow up to The Hustler. Even has a returning character in Fast Eddie.

[TheUsualSuspect]

What's the ruling on Kill Bill Vol 2?

[MovieMeditation]

Need to ask about Star Trek though...

Star Trek The Motion Picture is out, as it's the first of the series... that's obvious.

But are we counting the Shatnerverse as separate to TNG's movies? Kirk, Scotty and Chekov were in the first TNG movie after all...
And what about the JJverse (Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness)? They've got the original Spock in them.

So, are they all eligible apart from The Motion Picture (1979)?
You will probably have to ask some Trekkies about that. I have only seen the JJ ones.

But as for those, my first thought was that it was a rebooted series and therefore stand alone as a new series, but they do got the original Spock in them. But theydo also have new actors portraying old characters. On wikipedia it is listed as both being the 11th film in the Star Trek franchise AND a reboot. So it's a tough one. Again, ask some Trekkies they must be the right people to take that the decision! :p


Question: Is The Avengers (2012) eligible?
I would like to say no. Because if we include The Avengers then we would need to include many of the other Marvel movies (that are not, in themselves, sequels) taking place in this cross-over world that is the marvel cinematic universe.


What's the ruling on Kill Bill Vol 2?
A sequel and therefore eligible.

It was released as a sequel, though I know that it is meant as just one long movie, but yeah it is a sequel.

[MovieMeditation]

I've got almost 50 marked down. I'm assuming The Color of Money is eligible?
Colour Of Money should be. It's a direct follow up to The Hustler. Even has a returning character in Fast Eddie.
Yes I would say it's eligible!

[Daniel M]

I don't really get the point of doing this really, don't want to sound harsh, just being honest.

[The Rodent]

Personally, I'd class all the Treks apart from the first 1979 film.


JJ's films are prequels, set in what they've called an alternate reality... but for all intents and purposes they're prequels.


It's like saying X-Men First Class and X-Men Days Of Future Past aren't part of the current X-Men film lore.
FC and DOFP are prequels... a new cast needed to portray the younger versions of the characters.

[MovieMeditation]

I don't really get the point of doing this really, don't want to sound harsh, just being honest.
Just for pure fun. Aren't that the reason we are doing all the other lists, and the reason you are a member of a forum at all? :)

I asked a few people in PM and they liked the idea, and there's already people having their list ready, so at least there's some interest. :p

[The Rodent]

I can do some arty stuff for you as well if you need...

[Sexy Celebrity]

I should be running this list since I am The Sequel God, however, the idea never came to me, yet it came to MovieMeditation. I probably would finish the whole countdown in three days. So... I'm sure it's in good hands.

However, I imagine this list will irritate me more than any other list so far. When stuff I want to see on it doesn't make it. This countdown has dark clouds hovering over it.

[MovieMeditation]

I should be running this list since I am The Sequel God, however, the idea never came to me, yet it came to MovieMeditation. I probably would finish the whole countdown in three days. So... I'm sure it's in good hands.

However, I imagine this list will irritate me more than any other list so far. When stuff I want to see on it doesn't make it. This countdown has dark clouds hovering over it.
#TypicalSexyPost :D

Haha, pretty much all lists are doomed if they don't live up to the The 10 Sexy Celebrity Commandments.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Haha, pretty much all lists are doomed if they don't live up to the The 10 Sexy Celebrity Commandments.

This one, though, is very exciting. I love the idea of a Sequel Countdown. Though I am so sick of this countdown craze.

But what horrors are waiting to arrive? Ghastly unheard of anime sequels or something. Oh, God. Oh, God! Oh, God! Book II. It doesn't stand a chance.

[The Rodent]

10 minute job. The longest part was upload to Photobucket.


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[gbgoodies]

This is a great idea, but the eligibility part is getting confusing. Maybe it would help if someone starts a thread with sequel/prequel recommendations.

I agree that the Star Trek movies should all be eligible, including the 1979 movie Star Trek: The Motion Picture because it's a sequel to the TV show. It's not a reboot, or a remake. It's a continuation of the original story.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I agree that the Star Trek movies should all be eligible, including the 1979 movie Star Trek: The Motion Picture because it's a sequel to the TV show. It's not a reboot, or a remake. It's a continuation of the original story.

I do not agree with this.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is a sequel. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is not.

Sex and the City: The Movie continues after the show went off, too, but I do not consider it a sequel movie. Sex and the City 2, on the other hand, is.

[Sexy Celebrity]

We should not be letting TV life interfere with movie life.

The Star Trek movies are movies. There is an original, first movie (The Motion Picture) and then there are the sequels. The first Star Trek movie is NOT a sequel. It would look ridiculous if it showed up on this list!

[rauldc14]

This may be harsh but I won't be participating. I'm with Daniel. Have fun though!

I WILL be participating in other decade lists though.

[gbgoodies]

I do not agree with this.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is a sequel. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is not.

Sex and the City: The Movie continues after the show went off, too, but I do not consider it a sequel movie. Sex and the City 2, on the other hand, is.


Star Trek: The Motion Picture was made as a continuation of the TV show. It was not a reboot or a remake. It continued the story with the same characters, and the same timeline.

From Wikipedia:

"It is the first film based on Star Trek, and a sequel to the Star Trek television series."

I understand if it's ineligible because the original version is a TV show, and not a movie, but it is a sequel.


I can't comment on Sex and the City because I never watched either the TV show or the movies.

[MovieMeditation]

Sexy is right. After all he is my right hand sequel list runner...

:cool:

[Sexy Celebrity]

As for reboots and remakes.....

This is a little tricky, but I think the first movie of a rebooted series or a remake should be excluded and only the sequel should count.

Thus, Star Trek: Into Darkness would count, but not 2009's Star Trek.

Reboots and things can have their own countdown. THIS is a SEQUEL countdown.

But I totally think -- unless there's a case I'm not thinking about -- that prequels can be allowed. Especially if it's a prequel in the form of a sequel. Stupid example -- Puppet Master III. That's a prequel in the form of a sequel.

However, something like X-Men Origins: Wolverine... that I don't know. Because it's starting off its own separate storyline with a different title and everything. It's not a sequel to the other X-Men movies. Count you count it? Maybe.

The sequel stuff is messy -- HOWEVER -- Star Trek: The Motion Picture is not a sequel!

[gbgoodies]

This may be harsh but I won't be participating. I'm with Daniel. Have fun though!

I WILL be participating in other decade lists though.


Can I ask why? (The question is for both you and Daniel.) I'm not complaining, just curious. I think this sounds like it could be fun. It's a bit different from the normal countdowns because it relies on more than one movie for a movie to be eligible.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture was made as a continuation of the TV show. It was not a reboot or a remake. It continued the story with the same characters, and the same timeline.

From Wikipedia:

"It is the first film based on Star Trek, and a sequel to the Star Trek television series."

I understand if it's ineligible because the original version is a TV show, and not a movie, but it is a sequel.

Well, that's what the geeks at Wikipedia have to say.

I'm sure it is a "sequel" to the television series. But I just think that it's not a sequel movie -- and we're all about movies here. I mean, people who probably never watched the show still went and saw the movie -- because it's a movie. It was playing in a theater. I prefer the Star Trek movies over the television show, personally.

[gbgoodies]

Well, that's what the geeks at Wikipedia have to say.

I'm sure it is a sequel to the television series. But I just think that it's not a sequel movie -- and we're all about movies here. I mean, people who probably never watched the show still went and saw the movie -- because it's a movie. It was playing in a theater. I prefer the Star Trek movies over the television show, personally.


I'm not arguing over it's eligibility for this list. I understand if a movie is a sequel to a TV show it won't be eligible here. I'm just saying that it is a sequel.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Like, with Sex and the City: The Movie... it may be a sequel to the television series, but someone who's never watched it could go to the movies and see it and they don't need to know anything about the show, really. It's better if you know the show, but you can watch that movie without having seen the show.

I feel the same way about Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It's a sequel in some sense that it continues the lives of the characters, but it's still not an actual sequel movie. It's not a "part two." It's the first in the movie series. Same with Sex and the City.

[MovieMeditation]

This is for movie sequels/prequels so regards of whatever TV show came before it, if it's the first movie it cannot be counted as a sequel.

I wasn't sure back when discussing with Rodent, but yeah I also say Star Trek 2009 is a reboot, but the sequel can be voted for of course.

[Arcanis]

What is the thought on Silence of the Lambs? It's based on a sequel to a novel that was previously itself adapted into a film. Does it then count as a sequel?

[The Rodent]

I'll need to change my list then if 2009 Trek isn't counted. No biggie, I would class it as a prequel myself though.


Silence Of The Lambs though ^^
It's the first film of the Hopkins Hannibal Series.
Red Dragon and Hannibal Rising are prequels to Lambs... and Hannibal is the sequel to Lambs.


Manhunter (1986) is a totally separate entity from the Hopkins Hannibal Series.

[The Rodent]

Sent mine in.

[Arcanis]

Good to know (if a bit sad).

Casino Royale still counts, though, right? Just want to make sure on that point.

[MovieMeditation]

I'm sorry Rodent!

Hope you can see why it has to be excluded...

I will make a list soon of ineligible sequels/prequels so there's less confusion and we have a clear overview!

[MovieMeditation]

the Bond franchise is still something I need to discuss.

I wasn't sure about them but cricket thought they should be eligible. The problem is they aren't really sequels. Some are, but it's mostly just stories with the same character(s) and set in almost the same universe. But I agree that it would be shame not to be able to vote for the likes of Goldfinger and Casino Royale.

[The Rodent]

I think treat the Bond films by going by the actor.


The first Brosnan Bond isn't, but the rest of his are... the first Connery Bond isn't, but the rest are... etc...

[Sexy Celebrity]

Silence Of The Lambs though ^^
It's the first film of the Hopkins Hannibal Series.
Red Dragon and Hannibal Rising are prequels to Lambs... and Hannibal is the sequel to Lambs.

Manhunter (1986) is a totally separate entity from the Hopkins Hannibal Series.

I agree with that. Manhunter and Silence of the Lambs feel like two entirely different things, but Hannibal definitely feels like the sequel to Silence of the Lambs. A bad sequel, but a sequel.

As for the Bond movies... I dare say I think those movies aren't sequels, though I can understand the desire to think of them that way. There are just too many of them and so many different actors... they're kinda like Dr. Who or a TV soap opera. They're just these "movie events" that keep getting made and go on forever. They're serials or something like that. They're not really sequels. They're like how a book series -- The Hardy Boys, The Babysitters Club -- can have 300 or more books in the series, all featuring the same characters, but none of them are really a sequel to anything.

[MovieMeditation]

I have now created a list of ineligible films, on the first page.

This will be edited as we go, and as we discuss which movies will be eligible for the countdown.

[Thursday Next]

Hmm, I can think of 18 right off. Must be more I've forgotten. Any recommendations?

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

does Life, and Nothing More count as a sequel?

[MovieMeditation]

does Life, and Nothing More count as a sequel?
Another tough one. The three films of which mentioned movie is a part of is widely considered a trilogy, but only by fans, critics and so forth. The director himself doesn't see it as a trilogy, and only connected by an event.

So who do we look to? Since it was not intended as being a movie series, it kind of goes against that rule, but since it is widely considered so, it also support this other rule. Really is a tough one. And I haven't seen it/them either...

[The Rodent]

The Koker Trilogy is spiritual rather than being full-on sequels in the full sense of the word.


A more modern spiritual trilogy is The Three Flavours Cornetto Trilogy. Shaun Of The Dead, Hot Fuzz and The World's End.
They're just part of a connected film series and the second two films aren't actually sequels.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I still say those Bond movies are not really sequels. I would hate for a sequel countdown to be bombarded with a bunch of James Bond movies.

[MovieMeditation]

I still say those Bond movies are not really sequels. I would hate for a sequel countdown to be bombarded with a bunch of James Bond movies.
As you can see previously I've been with that opinion from the start. Bond is not a sequel franchise.

Some of them have direct sequels, like Quantum of Solace is a direct sequel to Casino Royale, but counting some as sequels, and some not, would be unfair and quite messy... I forgot to add them to the front page of ineligible films, I'll do that asap.

[honeykid]

Bond's are sequels. :yup:

[The Rodent]

Bonds am crap. They should be discounted on general principal.

[Voigan]

Is this going to start before or after the 1960's countdown?

[Friendly Mushroom!]

I didn't even know about this till now.

[Friendly Mushroom!]

• Bond franchise - Mostly it is just a movie series full of films based on the same basic source material with the same main character(s) present. Some Bond movies have direct sequels, like Casino Royale's direct follow-up, Quantum of Solace, but counting some and excluding others would be unfair and quite messy. Therefore the Bond films will stay ineligible.

Same with Godzilla?

[MovieMeditation]

Is this going to start before or after the 1960's countdown?
After. This has been set on hold because of various edits that needs to be done and because it will probably end up as a better and more solid list if we take the time it needs.

Therefore this list doesn't have a specific date yet.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I was wondering the other day if this was still happening or not.

[MovieMeditation]

Same with Godzilla?
Most likely, yes. I'm not really familiar with the series, but without checking much into it, it does sound like it's a franchise constructed and executed much like Bond.

[MovieMeditation]

I was wondering the other day if this was still happening or not.
Oh yes it is most defiantly happening. We just don't wanna cross over multiple lists and stuff, so when there's room, it's on! ;)

[gbgoodies]

I completely forgot about this, so please make sure that this thread gets bumped a lot, or send out reminders, or something so I don't forget about it again.

[Harry Lime]

Too many countdowns diminish the impact of the Mofo Countdown. I boycott this.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Too many countdowns diminish the impact of the Mofo Countdown. I boycott this.
As far as I'm concerned, your stupid '90s Countdown ruined the whole countdown phenomenon!

[Iroquois]

What's the consensus on the Dollars trilogy?

[neiba]

I think the Dollars should be regarded as sequels!

[MovieMeditation]

Honestly, they aren't really sequels, the closest we get is "spiritual sequels". If I count them as sequels I would have to against what I would usually do with such movies; which is that the director's verdict comes before anyone elses, including audiences, which comes next. And since the director himself doesn't regard them as true sequels and since they don't really have a real connection to each other, they really aren't nothing but "fan created" sequels...

So the only reason I would allow them in this countdown was if almost everybody participating think they should be included, dispite if their differences from being true sequels... The problem is just that counting one trilogy and not another is kind of cheating tbh. I had another trilogy a while back that was more "spiritual", so just because The Dollars Trilogy is more popular it shouldn't be a "free ticket" to this countdown. :p

[Camo]

I really hope this isn't supposed to be the Countdown after the 60s because I'd much rather do a Documentaries one or something, and I think we should've had a vote before this was decided.

[MovieMeditation]

I really hope this isn't supposed to be the Countdown after the 60s because I'd much rather do a Documentaries one or something, and I think we should've had a vote before this was decided.
Nothing has been decided. It is just here, no date has been set. And since this is a complicated list to do, it will take some time to get set up and such, so just relax. :)

[Iroquois]

Was anyone in particular planning on running a Documentaries list?

[Camo]

Was anyone in particular planning on running a Documentaries list?

Not that i'm aware of, but i was under the impression that we'd be doing a Genre Specific one inbetween each Decade like we did with the Animation Countdown, and there's loads i'd rather get to before Sequels. Someone did mention Documentaries i think it may have been Harry Lime.

Edit: i just accidentally called Animation a Genre :laugh: .

[Iroquois]

Yeah, genre's not quite the word you're looking for there, but I do see your point.

[Miss Vicky]

Personally I think it's about time we redo the all time list. It's been five years since the last one.

[Arcanis]

Could I get a ruling on the eligibility of Dragonball Z: Battle of Gods?

[Nostromo87]

For a Few Dollars More and The Good, the Bad & the Ugly not sequels to a Fistful of Dollars? Hmm, one of my favorite trilogies, and trilogies are made up of an original and two sequels. Which is what the Dollars Trilogy is. Whether the stories tie directly together isn't necessarily the defining characteristic of a sequel. The Indiana Jones trilogy of the 80's didn't tie directly together. They were episodic, each story contained to itself, yet Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade are still obvious sequels to Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Anyways, that aside, MoFo countdowns seem to work best when they come about organically, are discussed, and grow about naturally. Hopefully that will happen here. I do think it is cool tho that you want to run it MovieMeditation

[MovieMeditation]

For a Few Dollars More and The Good, the Bad & the Ugly not sequels to a Fistful of Dollars? Hmm, one of my favorite trilogies, and trilogies are made up of an original and two sequels. Which is what the Dollars Trilogy is. Whether the stories tie directly together isn't necessarily the defining characteristic of a sequel. The Indiana Jones trilogy of the 80's didn't tie directly together. They were episodic, each story contained to itself, yet Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade are still obvious sequels to Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Anyways, that aside, MoFo countdowns seem to work best when they come about organically, are discussed, and grow about naturally. Hopefully that will happen here. I do think it is cool tho that you want to run it MovieMeditation
Don't misunderstand me, I personally view them as sequels, because they are in some way, especially since it is widely known as The Dollars Trilogy, though that is a fan-made thing and not the director's choice. Therefore I just personally think that the director's opinion should come before fans' opinion - that has nothing to do with whether or not the films tie together story-wise, but purely the fact that they aren't made as sequels... The Three Colors Trilogy for example, I would most likely count into this list, since it maybe isn't connected story-wise, but the director did set out to make a trilogy, and did intent the follow-ups to be sequels in this given trilogy...

So the only thing we have to decide upon here is, if the fans' opinion and fan-made trilogies and franchise actually do count or not... If we agree upon what the films are generally known as, by the director or by the fans, then fine, we can include the Dollars Trilogy... I just hope we don't run into a trilogy or franchise were this is gonna be to big of a problem to decide upon.

[Nostromo87]

i'd say a lenient approach of determining sequel designation, otherwise we may get lost in details and fun can be lost

anyways, if this countdown is going to happen, Sexy Celebrity - MoFo sequel god, should be included in the making of it. at least in some capacity

[MovieMeditation]

i'd say a lenient approach of determining sequel designation, otherwise we may get lost in details and fun can be lost

anyways, if this countdown is going to happen, Sexy Celebrity - MoFo sequel god, should be included in the making of it. at least in some capacity
he already is.

and yeah, because of the defficulty of this list, we probaby have to have loosely based rules, and then decide upon the given sequel individually... It looks like it is impossible to make ground rules for all sequels and their franchises.

I'll do some edits later on...

[honeykid]

For a Few Dollars More and The Good, the Bad & the Ugly not sequels to a Fistful of Dollars? Hmm, one of my favorite trilogies, and trilogies are made up of an original and two sequels.
No, trilogies are a single story told in three, usually distinct, segments and were intended to be so from the start. Sadly marketing has bastardised that and now any three films with the same character(s) is called a trilogy. I can call a table a chair, but that doesn't make it one.

I'm not saying they aren't sequels, simply that it's not a trilogy.

[Nostromo87]

No, trilogies are a single story told in three, usually distinct, segments and were intended to be so from the start. Sadly marketing has bastardised that and now any three films with the same character(s) is called a trilogy. I can call a table a chair, but that doesn't make it one.

I'm not saying they aren't sequels, simply that it's not a trilogy.

Maybe now i understand why you're not crazy for the 1980s Indiana Jones films :D

[Miss Vicky]

Maybe now i understand why you're not crazy for the 1980s Indiana Jones films :D

He's not crazy for the Indiana Jones films because he's got bad taste. :p

[Captain Spaulding]

MM, I appreciate you taking the initiative, but I don't think this is a very interesting idea for a countdown, especially since there is already so much confusion over what constitutes a sequel. I could see this working better as a tournament, maybe. Or you could just declare The Godfather Part II the winner and move onto something better.

[Sexy Celebrity]

He's not crazy for the Indiana Jones films because he's got bad taste. :p

Oh, dear. She's copying Honeykid now. Calling someone's taste in movies bad and using a smiley with that kind of comment.

[Sexy Celebrity]

MM, I appreciate you taking the initiative, but I don't think this is a very interesting idea for a countdown, especially since there is already so much confusion over what constitutes a sequel. I could see this working better as a tournament, maybe. Or you could just declare The Godfather Part II the winner and move onto something better.

I'd rather do something like this as a "Mother of God" kind of countdown.

But I'm not against the idea of an actual sequel countdown, though. But I imagine it'll really, really, really disappoint me.

[MovieMeditation]

Well, **** this countdown. Looks like people have more hate than love for this to happen, and with the attitudes people bring I'd rather just end this right here. Yes, this is more ambitious and it's a challenge to establish, but I can't see why you can't just stay out of the thread if you only have hate and negative things to say. Or at least be patient to see what it turns out to be as this is still in its starting fase. But whatever.

I'm done.

[gbgoodies]

Well, **** this countdown. Looks like people have more hate than love for this to happen, and with the attitudes people bring I'd rather just end this right here. Yes, this is more ambitious and it's a challenge to establish, but I can't see why you can't just stay out of the thread if you only have hate and negative things to say. Or at least be patient to see what it turns out to be as this is still in its starting fase. But whatever.

I'm done.


I gave you + rep for this comment because I agree with most of what you said about people who hate the idea of this should just stay out of this thread, but I just wish that you hadn't added that you're done with this idea. I thought it was a good idea, and I was looking forward to compiling my sequels list.

[Camo]

Well usually we only run one Countdown at a time, and you just started this thread without any feedback from the rest of the site. There should be a poll to decide on what we do after the 60s rather than someone just starting a thread declaring something nextt, and i personally would like to do the 50s, Documentaries, Horrors, etc all before Sequels. I'd actually prefer redoing the All Time/ Millenium lists before Sequels as well.

[Harry Lime]

Personally I think it's about time we redo the all time list. It's been five years since the last one.
I thought we were doing 60s, Documentaries, 50s, All-Time - in that order. Well that's the order I'd like it to be anyway. I think docs would be interesting and there's a lot out there to watch. 50s is necessary (40s eventually) and then an all-time list redux as we've now watched a whole lot more movies since the last one, thanks in part to these countdowns, and we have a new group of regulars here.

Also, SC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyLvkF2z0AQ

[Sexy Celebrity]

Why should I trust you?

[Harry Lime]

That's not the part you're supposed to be paying attention to.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I had trouble hearing what the people in the background were saying.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Or maybe he wanted me to note the microphone feedback?

[Voigan]

After. This has been set on hold because of various edits that needs to be done and because it will probably end up as a better and more solid list if we take the time it needs.

Therefore this list doesn't have a specific date yet.
Works for me. At the moment I only 12 movies on my list.

Edit: Oh. MM is dropping the list? :( Is anyone else taking over or is it being scrapped entirely?

[MovieMeditation]

Okay everybody, I'm back from spending time in the darkest corner of my room crying in feetle position while burning pieces of paper with my most hated members on it. :p

Anyways, on a more serious note... ;) I don't take back all of what I said, but I do take back the way I delivered my message. I am going through some tough times, and they all came quite sudden (as such things do) and therefore the bump of this Sequels List came at a bad time for me...

JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP: This thread should remain open and all, but everything has been set on hold until the time is right. You don't have to worry about missing anything, or that this will never happen because it will. And I will of course bump the thread and promote the voting when this is happening. Although I think it will be clear when, cause it will most likely happen at a time where members feel like it is appropiate.

And FYI, I had never done a lise before and knew nothing about the rules and such so I just threw it out there and I'm sorry of that offended anyone or threw them off... and I understand it is sudden and everybody might be a little mad thinking this might be the next list while they'd rather do something else. This is NOT the next list. I realize there's a lot of members who came before me with their list, and a lot of lists which are more fitting at the time being and therefore they will, of course, be first.

This list will happen when the time is right. Don't worry about it not happening because it will. And if you don't won't to participate, even at another time, just keep a light tone. There is no one forcing you to participate. Anyways, I hope there is still members out there that wants to do it when the date is announced and everything is set. :)

[Gatsby]

MM, I appreciate you taking the initiative, but I don't think this is a very interesting idea for a countdown, especially since there is already so much confusion over what constitutes a sequel. I could see this working better as a tournament, maybe. Or you could just declare The Godfather Part II the winner and move onto something better.
That's ridiculous. Toy Story 2 should win.

But if there's something I do agree with this post, its the need to move on. Cool idea, but is it fit for a list of an entire 100 films? Not really.

[MovieMeditation]

I'll quickly quote this so it is on the current page...
Okay everybody, I'm back from spending time in the darkest corner of my room crying in feetle position while burning pieces of paper with my most hated members on it. :p

Anyways, on a more serious note... ;) I don't take back all of what I said, but I do take back the way I delivered my message. I am going through some tough times, and they all came quite sudden (as such things do) and therefore the bump of this Sequels List came at a bad time for me...

JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP: This thread should remain open and all, but everything has been set on hold until the time is right. You don't have to worry about missing anything, or that this will never happen because it will. And I will of course bump the thread and promote the voting when this is happening. Although I think it will be clear when, cause it will most likely happen at a time where members feel like it is appropiate.

And FYI, I had never done a lise before and knew nothing about the rules and such so I just threw it out there and I'm sorry of that offended anyone or threw them off... and I understand it is sudden and everybody might be a little mad thinking this might be the next list while they'd rather do something else. This is NOT the next list. I realize there's a lot of members who came before me with their list, and a lot of lists which are more fitting at the time being and therefore they will, of course, be first.

This list will happen when the time is right. Don't worry about it not happening because it will. And if you don't won't to participate, even at another time, just keep a light tone. There is no one forcing you to participate. Anyways, I hope there is still members out there that wants to do it when the date is announced and everything is set. :)

[Voigan]

I don't mind waiting. That way I'll have more time to watch the first two Godfather movies before I send my list in.
That's ridiculous. PMMM part 2 should win.


Fixed. :D

[Iroquois]

I'm going to riot if Troll 2 doesn't make the final cut.