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Guaporense
12-21-16, 10:41 PM
Well, I never said that "all Americans are stupid and ignorant".
I said that "Americans are relatively more ignorant compared to people with the same level of education from other countries regarding knowledge of the rest of the world". Now that's something that I actually think it's true and it's very well documented.
False Writer
12-21-16, 10:41 PM
Thing is that Americans are the only people in the world currently who chant that "our country is the best" (I cannot recall anybody from any other country saying that their country was the best except a Norwegian women who claimed that Norway's living standards are the best in the world which is objectively true since they are first in United Nations HDI).
Historically, the last country to do that (assume they are inherently superior) was Hitler's Germany.
Ehh I'm pretty sure that in just about every country there is at least a few people that have said to someone "I think our country is the best in the world." I don't even think that's particularly a bad thing, it'd be better than being completely cynical about where you live (which I'll admit I've been guilty of)
Sir Toose
12-21-16, 10:43 PM
Now that's something that I actually think it's true and it's very well documented.
Very well documented?
Should be a simple task to cite a source then. Please do.
cricket
12-21-16, 10:43 PM
Insulting an entertainment medium is not in the same league as insulting a country and it's people.
Why are you always trying to dictate what goes on in my threads?
I didn't even know it was your thread. All i was saying was that everyone forgot about Rhys because of all of this and it was partially my fault so it would make sense to make it its own thread since it is way off topic. Whatever though carry on.
I really don't like that Guap is now claiming this is some experiment and it won't happen again. How many times have we heard that from him before? Not the experiment part but just a few weeks ago in the Canada thread (i think) he said something along the lines of i understand now why Americans come across that way now i won't talk about this again and cause more fights. Then we have the two times he dramatically left after insulting all the members before coming back and apologizing saying it won't happen again. Now he's basically said here he hates most of the members and that he was trolling. :rolleyes:
Captain Steel
12-21-16, 11:00 PM
I have a problem...
In addition to being ignorant, lazy, prejudiced, insensitive, racist, sexist, xenophobic and Islamophobic, I'm too nice!
(What should I do?)
It has become a paradoy. I honestly can't remember the last time anyone has said anything negative about anime to him yet he continues these non-sensical rants. Of course I'm just a flag waiving American, so I don't get it.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:04 PM
Insulting an entertainment medium is not in the same league as insulting a country and it's people.
I think it's almost the same because you are not insulting a medium when you are insulting stuff from a specific country but insulting the artistic work of the people of that country.
Captain Steel
12-21-16, 11:04 PM
It has become a paradoy. I honestly can't remember the last time anyone has said anything negative about anime to him yet he continues these non-sensical rants. Of course I'm just a flag waiving American, so I don't get it.
Your problem is you're too nice!
I have a problem...
In addition to being ignorant, lazy, prejudiced, insensitive, racist, sexist, xenophobic and Islamophobic, I'm too nice!
(What should I do?)
Bathe in the sweat of under age Japanese girls.
It has become a paradoy. I honestly can't remember the last time anyone has said anything negative about anime to him yet he continues these non-sensical rants. Of course I'm just a flag waiving American, so I don't get it.
Tbph hes a dull tool and always has been. Make me a mod and Ill rid this place of ALL the polite trolls round heyar' :yup: Just a day....not even, all I needs an hour then unmod me. :D Like canker sores on the site these polite trolls are.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:07 PM
Very well documented?
Should be a simple task to cite a source then. Please do.
My professor in my undergrad said so and many other people (I mean, you don't know that?). Niall Ferguson also said that "Americans are uninterested in the rest of the world" in a book about the American Empire (which is a more polite way of saying the same thing).
cricket
12-21-16, 11:07 PM
I think it's almost the same because you are not insulting a medium when you are insulting stuff from a specific country but insulting the artistic work of the people of that country.
I don't think so. You're taking personal offense when you shouldn't. If someone trashes my top 10 or my taste in music, I don't give a crap. It's not just you though; there's others who do this.
Miss Vicky
12-21-16, 11:07 PM
Thing is, why do I do that? Why do I subject myself to this interminable masochistic ritual of being insulted in the internet by strangers?
Because you're an arrogant attention whore whose M.O. for the last four years has been to do everything in your power to make yourself feel superior to everyone else. You thrive on attention and conflict - and whenever anybody dares to disagree with you or doesn't share your same tastes, your reaction is to insult them, accuse them of racism/xenophobia (while refusing to offer proof of these accusations), make unsupportable arguments, and then put them on your infamous ignore list when they still refuse to see eye to eye with you.
You display a far greater amount of ignorance, arrogance, and contempt for the culture of one particular country than just about anybody I've ever encountered. Not that you're likely to see this post anyway, since I'm probably still on your ignore list - which you conveniently added me to while slinging unsupported accusations of racism at me in another thread.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:09 PM
It has become a paradoy. I honestly can't remember the last time anyone has said anything negative about anime to him yet he continues these non-sensical rants.
Last time? 2 minutes ago you said this:
Bathe in the sweat of under age Japanese girls.
See.
You will never stop trying to justify your xenophobic world view. You are a broken record so the question is why do I pay attention to you and try to engage you?
Because you're an arrogant attention whore whose M.O. for the last four years has been to do everything in your power to make yourself feel superior to everyone else. You thrive on attention and conflict - and whenever anybody dares to disagree with you or doesn't share your same tastes, your reaction is to insult them, accuse them of racism/xenophobia (while refusing to offer proof of these accusations), make unsupportable arguments, and then put them on your infamous ignore list when they still refuse to see eye to eye with you.
You display a far greater amount of ignorance, arrogance, and contempt for the culture of one particular country than just about anybody I've ever encountered. Not that you're likely to see this post anyway, since I'm probably still on your ignore list - which you conveniently added me to while slinging unsupported accusations of racism at me in another thread.
Heh heh, he'll see it now :D
cricket
12-21-16, 11:11 PM
My professor in my undergrad said so and many other people (I mean, you don't know that?). Niall Ferguson also said that "Americans are uninterested in the rest of the world" in a book about the American Empire (which is a more polite way of saying the same thing).
That's not evidence. That's the opinion of a couple of nobodys.
Last time? 2 minutes ago you said this:
See.
You will never stop trying to justify your xenophobic world view. You are a broken record so the question is why do I pay attention to you and try to engage you?
Because you are trying to make me see what an a$$hole I am by being an a$$hole?
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:12 PM
I don't think so. You're taking personal offense when you shouldn't. If someone trashes my top 10 or my taste in music, I don't give a crap. It's not just you though; there's others who do this.
I don't either. However, one thing is to trash another very different is to be a xenophobic idiot who insults PEOPLE.
If I said that "people who like Goodfellas are people who identify with villainous criminal characters because they harbor sociopathic tendencies". I am not trashing the film I am insulting the person.
When someone says K-On! is for pedophiles they are doing the same thing. That's my problem: insulting the person not the stuff.
Seanc is doing that right now: he is associating interest in Japanese visual culture with pedophilia. That's obviously a personal attack (and also a display of xenophobia). People don't like to be attacked.
Welp, turns out that iceberg was really big underwater.
cricket
12-21-16, 11:15 PM
I don't either. However, one thing is to trash another very different is to be a xenophobic idiot who insults PEOPLE.
If I said that "people who like Goodfellas are people who identify with villainous criminal characters because they harbor sociopathic tendencies". I am not trashing the film I am insulting the person.
When someone says K-On! is for pedophiles they are doing the same thing. That's my problem: insulting the person not the stuff.
Seanc is doing that right now: he is associating interest in Japanese visual culture with pedophilia. That's obviously a personal attack (and also a display of xenophobia). People don't like to be attacked.
You're taking that too seriously.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:16 PM
That's not evidence. That's the opinion of a couple of nobodys.
I might think that two specialists in social sciences (one an economist another a historian) are the most qualified persons to talk about cultural aspects of countries.
Anyway, this discussion is obviously unproductive. I will not post in this thread about this anymore.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:17 PM
You're taking that too seriously.
You are taking my insults of American culture too seriously. :D
I yes, I have absolutely no problem with criticism of my favorite stuff as long as it doesn't become a criticism of the PERSON who likes it.
cricket
12-21-16, 11:17 PM
I don't either. However, one thing is to trash another very different is to be a xenophobic idiot who insults PEOPLE.
If I said that "people who like Goodfellas are people who identify with villainous criminal characters because they harbor sociopathic tendencies". I am not trashing the film I am insulting the person.
When someone says K-On! is for pedophiles they are doing the same thing. That's my problem: insulting the person not the stuff.
Seanc is doing that right now: he is associating interest in Japanese visual culture with pedophilia. That's obviously a personal attack (and also a display of xenophobia). People don't like to be attacked.
And by the way, there was a thread called something to the effect of "judge me by my favorite movie". You judged me on Goodfellas, and said something to the effect of probably doesn't respect authority and rules, and a couple more things. I took no offense.
Its sad! I actually contemplated coming in here to voice some stuff, and the broke-dick dullassed troll is doing the same ol tired song and dance.
I DONT CARE THAT YOU DONT LIKE AMERICA GUAP!!! IT SHOWS YOURE A BIGOT!!!! :laugh: It does though! He wails like a farm animal about anime being slighted and then writes-off an entire nations contributions to film and man. He mewls how hes being attacked while politely being a deliberate agitation. He and Zotis should Brokeback Mountain their butts on outta here.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:19 PM
Not respecting authority and rules is very different from calling someone a pedophile.
Guaporense
12-21-16, 11:21 PM
Talking about rules.
Because you are trying to make me see what an a$$hole I am by being an a$$hole?
Site rules said:
"No Harassment
Judged on a case-by-case basis, though usually defined as a string of unnecessarily personal insults with no real effort to have an actual discussion."
You (and Miss Vicky) are only insulting me in this thread without any argument. That's a violation of forum rules. So, Yoda, what you will do?
Miss Vicky
12-21-16, 11:26 PM
You (and Miss Vicky) are only insulting me in this thread without any argument. That's a violation of forum rules. So, Yoda, what you will do?
Oh, so does this mean you don't have me on ignore anymore? Good, then kindly provide the direct link to the post from 2012 where I allegedly suggested that Japanese animation be banned from the Hall of Fame.
Apparently, calling someone an arrogant attention whore is "a violation of forum rules" but throwing around accusations of racism is perfectly acceptable behavior.
cricket
12-21-16, 11:27 PM
Not respecting authority and rules is very different from calling someone a pedophile.
I think it would be wrong for someone to call you that, but keep in mind that anything sexual involving underage kids is strongly frowned upon in the U.S. That's not just different types of anime, but anything from any country.
Captain Steel
12-21-16, 11:28 PM
Is this like an Intervention?
Just looked up the K-On! - Pedophile stuff. I didn't read the full thread because it is awful but what actually happened was Guap posted mens underwear with the little girls from K-On! on them to show that it has merchandise for both genders. That's what seemed to spark the pedo talk and as far as i can tell noone called Guap one or said if you like this film you are one. It was more wearing schoolgirls on your underwear. Can't believe he posted that :laugh:
Here's the thread- http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=38838
Citizen Rules
12-21-16, 11:34 PM
I just got home from a pleasant day of Christmas shopping and read this thread, ugh! I feel wore out and demoralized by it. I'm not angry at Guap, I feel bad for him that he has so much anger that he has to try and make our MoFo home into a hostile place. He's not good for the health of the board.
Talking about rules.
Site rules said:
"No Harassment
Judged on a case-by-case basis, though usually defined as a string of unnecessarily personal insults with no real effort to have an actual discussion."
You (and Miss Vicky) are only insulting me in this thread without any argument. That's a violation of forum rules. So, Yoda, what you will do?
I was just joking when I said all Guaps are a$$holes. What I meant is that it is well documented by my old college professor that most Guaps are a$$holes.
Captain Steel
12-21-16, 11:45 PM
I just got home from a pleasant day of Christmas shopping and read this thread, ugh! I feel wore out and demoralized by it. I'm not angry at Guap, I feel bad for him that he has so much anger that he has to try and make our MoFo home into a hostile place. He's not good for the health of the board.
Well, it's not the whole site, just this thread (and maybe a couple others).
I do agree with Camo that maybe this discussion should have it's own thread since this thread was originally intended as a support thread (for people with problems, or who feel like; to them they're just a freak... like me.)
Sir Toose
12-21-16, 11:48 PM
My professor in my undergrad said so and many other people (I mean, you don't know that?). Niall Ferguson also said that "Americans are uninterested in the rest of the world" in a book about the American Empire (which is a more polite way of saying the same thing).
Neato appeal to authority but it's still boolshyte (in my opinion)... and it's not at all 'well documented'. It's a few people talking smack and making broad assumptions.
By the by, I married an Iranian girl nearly 30 years ago and I can watch Persian films without the subtitles. Wouldn't expect that from a dude in Texas, right? All kinds of little intricacies invalidate blanket statements. One would do best to avoid them entirely if he/she wants to be taken seriously.
Sir Toose
12-21-16, 11:52 PM
I do agree with Camo that maybe this discussion should have it's own thread
I suggested participants make another thread. I'm not around enough to be heavy handed with my mod powers. Sometimes it goes down where it goes down.
Mr Minio
12-21-16, 11:53 PM
Seriously all people...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ
False Writer
12-22-16, 12:03 AM
In a way I was actually trying to live up to the thread's purpose and talk Guap through this American xenophobia he has. Whether he was trolling or not, I was trying to help in a way, by letting him vent but also trying to make him see that his way of thinking wasn't entirely right. It's kinda been derailed now though... Oh well.
Captain Steel
12-22-16, 12:06 AM
I suggested participants make another thread. I'm not around enough to be heavy handed with my mod powers. Sometimes it goes down where it goes down.
Are you a mod here, Sir Toose?
Only one mod here know of I do. ;)
Citizen Rules
12-22-16, 12:09 AM
Are you a mod here, Sir Toose?
Only one mod here know of I do. ;) Hmmm? I seriously don't get that sentence? Typo_Bot can you help;)
Captain Steel
12-22-16, 12:11 AM
Hmmm? I seriously don't get that sentence? Typo_Bot can you help;)
Just apply Frank Oz's voice and understand you will.
Miss Vicky
12-22-16, 12:20 AM
In a way I was actually trying to live up to the thread's purpose and talk Guap through this American xenophobia he has. Whether he was trolling or not, I was trying to help in a way, by letting him vent but also trying to make him see that his way of thinking wasn't entirely right. It's kinda been derailed now though... Oh well.
Dude's a lost cause.
He's been bitching about the lack of appreciation for foreign films and anime in particular ever since he joined here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=862951#post862951). Only his posts have devolved from being relatively polite and reasoned to being completely irrational and full of contempt. In the four years he's been here, he's done very little to positively change people's perspectives about anime and has probably turned people off from exploring the medium due to his attitude and choices.
Mr Minio
12-22-16, 10:26 AM
Only his posts have devolved from being relatively polite and reasoned to being completely irrational and full of contempt. See what MoFo does to a man?!
No. I am disappointed that people here INSULT my interests. Do you see the DIFFERENCE?
Sure. But you're far too easily insulted, too. For example, you think generalizing about an entire nation/culture is somehow less objectionable than generalizing about an animation style.
You for instance, insulted me when you implicitly claimed that K-On! is for pedophiles.
Where on earth did I say this? Please, show me.
I never claimed that all Americans are the same. I claim that the US is a xenophobic culture. Do you disagree or not?
It would depend on how you define the term. But this isn't the issue at all. Even if you assume the U.S. is generally xenophobic, that doesn't mean you can casually attribute any disagreement about anime you're met with to that fact.
The issue with generalizations isn't that they're false, it's that what's true in general is not necessarily true in any individual instance, and it's both insulting and irrational to assume it is.
I never declined to answer.
I asked you twice, directly, and both times you didn't answer, despite responding to other things. What else would you call that?
I have been in the following states of the USA:
California
Nevada
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Florida
New York
Illinois
Massachusetts
DC
This isn't quite what I asked. I spent a night in Houston during a layover, but I wouldn't say I've lived in Texas. Have you lived anywhere other than the rural Midwest?
Also, if this continues. I'm not going to have much choice but to move this to another thread--probably one of Guap's goodbye threads, since it's all the same stuff, anyway.
I'm not sure what to make of his insistence that he wasn't trying to passively-aggressively complain. That's hard to believe, but if it's true, it suggests a serious tone-deafness that probably has significant implications for the whole dispute.
ash_is_the_gal
12-22-16, 11:42 AM
it does seem in poor taste to use a thread like this for this sort of thing. i mean, it is a Sexy Celebrity thread, but still. lol.
Didn't see this before (and I'll probably be moving all these posts this afternoon), but for now:
Site rules said:
"No Harassment
Judged on a case-by-case basis, though usually defined as a string of unnecessarily personal insults with no real effort to have an actual discussion."
You (and Miss Vicky) are only insulting me in this thread without any argument. That's a violation of forum rules. So, Yoda, what you will do?
I'll explain why you're misrepresenting the rule in question, in two ways:
1. The caveat "no real effort to have an actual discussion" is key. The people in question have made, to my memory, many such attempts.
2. If you read the actual rule, it's not a ban on insults...or even personal insults. It's on "unnecessarily personal" insults. For example, disagreeing with someone about economics and then calling them a moron, because they could (and should) direct their criticism to the idea, rather than the person. This distinction does not exist when the topic is someone's own behavior: all criticisms of the idea are necessarily criticisms of the person. So if I took your interpretation of that rule, it would mean nobody would be allowed to disagree with you any time you talked about yourself.
Notice what both these qualifications have in common: both are meant to ensure the discussion moves forward in some way. It isn't there to make sure everyone's always nice to each other, it's just there to stop things from devolving into nothing but pointless insults, where people have given up any hint of constructive criticism.
Citizen Rules
12-22-16, 02:53 PM
Guap, posted on 12-14-14 why he had insulted MoFo members. After I decided to leave the forum I wrote that ton of offensive comments in order to force me to not post anymore because I would be scared of people's reactions. :D To put into more clearly, I decided to rant over and make everybody hate me so that I wouldn't desire to post anymore...
Two day ago Guap posted about not being able to leave MoFo and wasting his time here:
...I have an unhealthy relationship with this forum...Yet, I still log here every day. And its not like I don't have anything to do: the time I wasted here if used in my research would have been tremendously beneficial for my career. ...Yet I still continue to post here, day after day...
I think the writing is on the wall.
I don't believe that at all. He's said the same thing multiple times now as well as plenty of other explanations. In my opinion he meant every word of that especially since he had been alluding to it alot more gently in the past like the stuff with Mark F and when he realized he wanted to come back he came up with that bull, same as the current "experiment".
Miss Vicky
12-22-16, 03:10 PM
Just looked up the K-On! - Pedophile stuff. I didn't read the full thread because it is awful but what actually happened was Guap posted mens underwear with the little girls from K-On! on them to show that it has merchandise for both genders. That's what seemed to spark the pedo talk and as far as i can tell noone called Guap one or said if you like this film you are one. It was more wearing schoolgirls on your underwear. Can't believe he posted that :laugh:
Here's the thread- http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=38838
Well technically when I described it as "pedo masturbation fodder and teeny-bopper nonsense" I was referring to the film rather than the merchandise, but yeah the men's underwear didn't help that perception at all.
I see some apology thread, and then see the apology thread has 16 pages, how the hell?! Isnt it apparent if this apology is still going on for 16 pages it isnt an apology? :laugh:
We should take all the Goodbye threads and Apology threads from still active members and lob them all into one big gross thread - call it The MoFo Wall Of Shame. :yup:
Citizen Rules
12-22-16, 03:12 PM
I think Guap is shooting to get banned, thus solving his own ability to leave the forum.
Miss Vicky
12-22-16, 03:15 PM
I see some apology thread, and then see the apology thread has 16 pages, how the hell?! Isnt it apparent if this apology is still going on for 16 pages it isnt an apology? :laugh:
We should take all the Goodbye threads and Apology threads from still active members and lob them all into one big gross thread - call it The MoFo Wall Of Shame. :yup:
All of the posts about Guap's bitching in the MoFo Support thread were merged into this old thread because they weren't on topic for that thread. The original thread is like two years old and was pretty much a fake apology because Guap clearly isn't sorry for any of this crap.
oh wow...a 16 page long apology thread? how didI miss this?
Anyway,I think there are several members here who prefer WW movies to americans,myself included,or atleast have a interest outside the american marked.
.I also agree with you on some subjects but i have to agree with the others when they say you have a very backhanded way of dealing with this.You seem too emotionally invested in this,and maybe look for a fight where there isnt one?
Guaporense
12-22-16, 06:32 PM
What happened to this? I put this in the support group but now showed up here.
@Topsy, I think I got too emotionally invested because of the fact I moved across continents while I was in this forum which left me like a uprooted tree. Now I feel better than I did before because I am now less uprooted after several years living here.
Anyway I don't plan to "leave" the forum but I plan to restrict my participation for the simple reason I am not heavily interested in American movies anymore. "Leaving the forum is too strong" as if it were a big event to just not post here, I will just post here my impressions of stuff I watch that I think fit with the forums interests.
Miss Vicky
12-22-16, 06:42 PM
What happened to this? I put this in the support group but now showed up here.
It didn't belong in the support group thread so Yoda moved it here, obviously.
Guaporense
12-22-16, 06:52 PM
Neato appeal to authority but it's still boolshyte (in my opinion)... and it's not at all 'well documented'. It's a few people talking smack and making broad assumptions.
After living in the US and talking to Americans its truth is pretty obvious to me. I know you might think it's offensive but look: American society is indeed very inward looking and Americans usually only consume American culture (for example the most famous metal band in the US is American but to the rest of the world the most famous metal band is British, while genres of metal that are popular in the rest of the world are not popular in the US (like power and symphonic and folk metal)) or at most Anglophone culture (like AC/DC).
In this same thread we even had people saying that it's regarded as a symptom of metal problems for an American to be interested in culture made outside of the English speaking countries. How is that not xenophobic? I personally don't even think in terms of "culture from a country" but in terms of world culture but I learned by interacting with Anglophone people that this concept of "self isolated" cultural spheres exist.
No matter how offended you might feel this is the obvious truth: the Anglosphere is a very isolated cultural bubble. I am not saying other countries are different but in Brazil we have a minimum sense of perspective in knowing other countries exist.
By the by, I married an Iranian girl nearly 30 years ago and I can watch Persian films without the subtitles. Wouldn't expect that from a dude in Texas, right?
That's anecdotal. I can become a citizen and then I can claim to be a counter example as well.
All kinds of little intricacies invalidate blanket statements. One would do best to avoid them entirely if he/she wants to be taken seriously.
I have made nothing I would qualify as blanket statments. That the US is a inward looking culture is not a blancket statement.
Guaporense
12-22-16, 06:55 PM
I just got home from a pleasant day of Christmas shopping and read this thread, ugh! I feel wore out and demoralized by it. I'm not angry at Guap, I feel bad for him that he has so much anger that he has to try and make our MoFo home into a hostile place. He's not good for the health of the board.
I had a terrible night of sleep because of this thread as well. Specially since I was the target of many personal attacks.
Guaporense
12-22-16, 07:01 PM
Sure. But you're far too easily insulted, too. For example, you think generalizing about an entire nation/culture is somehow less objectionable than generalizing about an animation style.
Of course because all animation made in east asia which is about 80% of the world's animation is a style now. :D
Generalizing regarding manga which is the backbone of modern Japanese culture is the same as generalizing over American music. These are personal works of tens of thousands of artists, each of which is very different from the other. Its ignorant stereotyping and its very insulting.
Where on earth did I say this? Please, show me.
In the Moe thread. Miss Vicky also said that explicitly in the HoF thread, I think that this ignorance and hatred regarding K-On to be very disturbing. It certainly shows this is not the right forum to talk about animation. Anyway I already knew it before but I was acting irrationally thinking that people would appreciate it but this type of stuff obviously doesn't go well with a typical middle aged westerners (that is, typical in the sense that its not into animation, in forums about animation there are middle aged westerners into K-On!).
Sir Toose
12-22-16, 07:13 PM
After living in the US and talking to Americans its thruth is pretty obvious to me.
You're a troll.
Your posts are pretty much this at this point:
https://youtu.be/ss2hULhXf04
Since you like cartoons so much I put it in an easily understandable form for you.
Miss Vicky
12-22-16, 07:14 PM
In the Moe thread.
You are so full of ***** it's not even funny.
Here's what Yoda actually said:
I don't see any basis for your (fairly provocative) claim that you have to think all men are pedophiles to find some of these images sexual. Nor is suggesting that the sexual aspect is part of the appeal the same thing as saying everyone who likes it is a pedophile.
You've become so irrational that you're just plain fabricating things now. And yet again you were asked to show proof of your ridiculous accusations and you refuse to do it.
If this forum and this discussion are causing you to lose sleep, I suggest you leave. For good.
Cobpyth
12-22-16, 07:17 PM
Most adult western people don't care about Anime? True.
You are too obsessed with this fact? Also true.
Good luck with fighting this unnecessary obsession of yours, Guap. You can do it if you try! Just stop thinking about it and talk about other things that interest you with the people who don't share your passion for anime. It's not that hard.
Happy Holidays! :)
Guaporense
12-22-16, 07:19 PM
You're a troll.
No it's my honest belief. I am not trolling.
For example, you claim to not be xenophobic but your top 10 is all American! How someone who is serious about movies only have murican stuff among their favorites? Xenophobia.
I think that the US has a inward looking, arrogant and xenophobic culture, you disagree. There is no point in arguing since I cannot convince you and you cannot convince me.
Let's agree to disagree?
Guaporense
12-22-16, 07:25 PM
You've become so irrational that you're just plain fabricating things now. And yet again you were asked to show proof of your ridiculous accusations and you refuse to do it.
Thing is, K-On! is a prudish adult show. The sexualization is a reflection of the mind of the person who watched it and not of it. Its a sign of failure to understand it.
This is how a person who understands K-On! talks about it:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/k-on/blu-ray-season-1/.94347
If this forum and this discussion are causing you to lose sleep, I suggest you leave. For good.
No thanks.
Miss Vicky
12-22-16, 07:29 PM
Thing is, K-On! is a prudish adult show.
Thing is, nobody gives a damn and your post has absolutely nothing to do with what I said about your baseless accusation that Yoda "implicitly claimed that K-On! is for pedophiles." Yoda never said that. Never implied it. You're making ***** up. Again.
Guaporense
12-22-16, 07:31 PM
Most adult western people don't care about Anime? True.
You are too obsessed with this fact? Also true.
Not quite. I am obssessed with the fact that Western (more accurately, Anglophone) movie nerds can be so tremendously ignorant about anime and yet be completely ignorant about being ignorant. Its like they know every single piece of Hollywood movie ever but do not know that there exists stuff like K-On! And that Miyazaki is DIFFERENT from Disney. My mistake was to overestimate the knowledge of movie nerds and to overestimate their knowledge of their lack of knowledge (lack of knowledge of lack of knowledge is what leads to stereotyping).
The problem is that animation is cinema so nearly all self titled cinema lovers (including professional film critics) are live action lovers but not animation lovers. People like professional films critics only know Disney/Pixar and Miyazaki (with luck).
I don't care that normal people (like my friends and the co-workers in my job) don't read comics or animation beyond South Park. However people here at not normal they are nerds but apparently nerds only for very specific "genre" of film (American live action).
Good luck with fighting this unnecessary obsession of yours, Guap. You can do it if you try! Just stop thinking about it and talk about other things that interest you with the people who don't share your passion for anime. It's not that hard.
Happy Holidays! :)
Happy solstice day!
Mr Minio
12-22-16, 09:01 PM
For example, you claim to not be xenophobic but your top 10 is all American! How someone who is serious about movies only have murican stuff among their favorites? Xenophobia. https://media0.giphy.com/media/yidUzkciDTniZ7OHte/200.gif#0
cricket
12-22-16, 11:21 PM
Generalizing regarding manga which is the backbone of modern Japanese culture is the same as generalizing over American music. These are personal works of tens of thousands of artists, each of which is very different from the other. Its ignorant stereotyping and its very insulting.
Insulting to who? You're not Japanese, right?
Insulting to who? You're not Japanese, right?
He's not? :docbrown:
Seriously though Guap your rant about everybody here being "nerds for american live action" is not only wrong but it also applies to you except it is "nerd for japanese animation", it's amazing that this somehow doesn't apply to you. I mean you've said you rarely watch anything other than Anime now so i just don't even understand what you are going on about. You're a hypocrite.
And nice sidestep on not owning up to your lie about Yoda "explicitly calling you a pedo".
resopamenic
12-23-16, 01:34 AM
is this stage play of comedy or what? Lmao
Mr Minio
12-23-16, 08:50 AM
is this stage play of comedy or what? Lmao Hush, you're not Anglo-saxon. You don't exist.
resopamenic
12-23-16, 09:25 AM
is this stage play of comedy or what? Lmao Hush, you're not Anglo-saxon. You don't exist.hee, but but I want to join the party guys. I'll bring the drink www.sarawakfungi.org/images/tuak.jpg
is that make me look anglo saxon right now?
No it's my honest belief. I am not trolling.
No you are a troll. The fact you keep bringing up this tired tact again is proof youre a troll.
I think Terrence Malicks an overrated hack, but if there was a forum of Malick fans and I started bashing Malick there, Id be trolling. Hell he has fans here, and if I kept bashing Malick over and over again, then Id be trolling his fans here.
Camo already pointed out where you didnt watch some films you claimed you had, Vicky has cornered you in argument, and others. Your tact always is to ignore them altogether and keep blabbing. Its not because you honestly believe what youre saying, its because youre you're trolling.
The Rodent
12-23-16, 09:57 AM
It's like the Dude who joined the forum who thought The Conjuring 2 is the best thing ever and kept bashing Star Wars.
If you mentioned any film at all, his response was:
"I don't like it. It's nowhere near as good as The Conjuring 2. In fact, it's so bad it's almost as bad as Star Wars. Star Wars is still worse though"
Camo already pointed out where you didnt watch some films you claimed you had
To be fair here, it's not a fact that he didn't watch them i just don't believe he did and i know some others don't. I started explaining what happened there but it's a long story and it happened a month ago so it doesn't matter, the only reason i brought it up initially was because Guap was calling us morons for not "recognizing the masterpiece that is Bashu" his nomination.
The Rodent
12-23-16, 10:15 AM
To be fair here, it's not a fact that he didn't watch them i just don't believe he did and i know some others don't. I started explaining what happened there but it's a long story and it happened a month ago so it doesn't matter, the only reason i brought it up initially was because Guap was calling us morons for not "recognizing the masterpiece that is Bashu" his nomination.
Who is Bashu?
Bashu, The Little Stranger. An 1980s Iranian movie that Guap nominated for the 11th HOF. I actually thought it was good and had it 7/11, but it finished 10/11 and we're morons because of that.
The Rodent
12-23-16, 10:18 AM
Ah ok, I was just Googling for it.
Genuinely not heard of it.
Chypmunk
12-23-16, 10:20 AM
Oh, I thought Bashu was one of the dwarves in Snow White :o
After living in the US and talking to Americans its truth is pretty obvious to me. I know you might think it's offensive but look: American society is indeed very inward looking and Americans usually only consume American culture (for example the most famous metal band in the US is American but to the rest of the world the most famous metal band is British, while genres of metal that are popular in the rest of the world are not popular in the US (like power and symphonic and folk metal)) or at most Anglophone culture (like AC/DC).
I am curious if when presented with examples that disprove your claims, you will consistently label them as anecdotal.
I was born and raised in the US, and exactly NONE of my favorite metal bands are from the US.
Dark Tranquillity - Sweden
Insomnium - Finland
Moonsorrow - Finland
Be'Lakor - Australia
Amon Amarth - Sweden
Novembre - Italy
Ghost B.C. - Sweden
Say, that reminds me...didn't Ghost B.C. win a Grammy Award here in the US for best metal performance just this past year? Supported with massive popularity and album sales in the US. That band is from Sweden.
You can take this an anecdotal, or perhaps as an example that there is a portion of the American population that doesn't fit your claims. The last metal show I went to just a month or so ago was packed full, and every band on the bill was from Sweden and Finland. I also saw Amon Amarth earlier in the year in one of the largest concert venues in Boston, and that show was sold out months before.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this, please. :)
I am curious if when presented with examples that disprove your claims, you will consistently label them as anecdotal.
I was born and raised in the US, and exactly NONE of my favorite metal bands are from the US.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this, please. :)
I gotta ask, for being true metalheads (you and Lisa), how is it you developed your popping skills? Like dance music too? I thought I was the only one that liked all forms of music. :)
The Rodent
12-23-16, 10:30 AM
Seds can't be a true metalhead if he likes those bands ^^
Metal is a British and American invention, those bands aren't British or American. They aren't pure, so they aren't real metal.
:D :D
I gotta ask, for being true metalheads (you and Lisa), how is it you developed your popping skills? Like dance music too? I thought I was the only one that liked all forms of music. :)
I was a DJ in the rave scene in the late 90s / early 2000s. I spun mostly trance and psytrance. My friends and I would get into dance circles and battle at the parties - lots of fun! I don't dance that much these days, sadly. I am sure Guap will be familiar with some Psytrance, as Brazil has one of the most active and vibrant Psy scenes on the planet.
Really, I love many, many styles of music, but metal is one of my favorites. I also play guitar almost every day and I tend to focus my playing on metal, for the most part.
False Writer
12-23-16, 10:56 AM
I am curious if when presented with examples that disprove your claims, you will consistently label them as anecdotal.
I was born and raised in the US, and exactly NONE of my favorite metal bands are from the US.
Dark Tranquillity - Sweden
Insomnium - Finland
Moonsorrow - Finland
Be'Lakor - Australia
Amon Amarth - Sweden
Novembre - Italy
Ghost B.C. - Sweden
Say, that reminds me...didn't Ghost B.C. win a Grammy Award here in the US for best metal performance just this past year? Supported with massive popularity and album sales in the US. That band is from Sweden.
You can take this an anecdotal, or perhaps as an example that there is a portion of the American population that doesn't fit your claims. The last metal show I went to just a month or so ago was packed full, and every band on the bill was from Sweden and Finland. I also saw Amon Amarth earlier in the year in one of the largest concert venues in Boston, and that show was sold out months before.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this, please. :)
I don't know which metal band he's talking about that's most popular in the US (Metallica maybe?) but I would say Black Sabbath and/or AC/DC are probably the most popular metal bands in the US, both British and Australian respectively. I'm not sure though, I don't think there has been an official "most popular metal band in America" poll that took place recently.
Miss Vicky
12-23-16, 10:58 AM
To be fair here, it's not a fact that he didn't watch them i just don't believe he did and i know some others don't.
I don't believe he watched them either.
Of course because all animation made in east asia which is about 80% of the world's animation is a style now. :D
What's that got to do with anything? Either it shares an aesthetic, or not, and that doesn't have anything to do with how much of it is made. This is a non-sequitur.
Also, the last time we discussed this, you posted examples of different anime "styles," and I pointed out (to no response, which is why I'm repeating this) that nearly all of them would still be easily recognizable as Asian even by people who didn't watch much anime. That wouldn't be possible if there were no common style.
These are personal works of tens of thousands of artists, each of which is very different from the other. Its ignorant stereotyping and its very insulting.
It's only "very insulting" if you have an unhealthy emotional attachment to it.
In the Moe thread.
Vicky already debunked this, read the actual post (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1319996#post1319996). I didn't say anything of the sort.
Your habit of misremembering/misrepresenting what people have said is a big problem, and a big red flag. As is the fact that, when it's pointed out, you rarely acknowledge the error, let alone apologize for it. For example, when Vicky quoted what I actually said, you simply started talking about K-On!. Why? The actual nature of K-On! has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, which is that you accused me of saying something I never said, and what's worse, you appear to have genuinely convinced yourself I said it.
Seds can't be a true metalhead if he likes those bands ^^
Metal is a British and American invention, those bands aren't British or American. They aren't pure, so they aren't real metal.
:D :D
I do like a fair amount of American and British bands, to be sure. Queensryche, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Agalloch, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Fates Warning, and some older Metallica, among others.
False Writer
12-23-16, 11:24 AM
Guap, I have a feeling you'll vehemently deny it, but you do know that modern Japanese animation (since you hate the term anime so much) was heavily influence by: you guessed it, Disney, an American company.
Osamu Tezuka, referred to as the "God of Manga", and whose art style had by-far the most influence on Japanese animation today, admitted several times that Disney was a huge inspiration for him, and that he allegedly watched Bambi 80 times. So maybe that's one reason not to hate America so much?
Guap, I have a feeling you'll vehemently deny it, but you do know that modern Japanese animation (since you hate the term anime so much) was heavily influence by: you guessed it, Disney, an American company.
Osamu Tezuka, referred to as the "God of Manga", and whose art style had by-far the most influence on Japanese animation today, admitted several times that Disney was a huge inspiration for him, and that he allegedly watched Bambi 80 times. So maybe that's one reason not to hate America so much?
Another solid point he will absolutely ignore. Why? Because he honestly does not care what he's talking about. He uses this topic as a crutch to troll.
If Im against something and someone is stating otherwise, then its on. Me and that person trade points, facts, perspectives......I wont absolutely ignore their points because I honestly believe what Im saying. I wont ignore those points to keep the "topic" going, just for the sake of keeping the topic going, like Guap does. He uses this topic as a crutch to troll, and he freely is the one insulting us.
I was a DJ in the rave scene in the late 90s / early 2000s. I spun mostly trance and psytrance. My friends and I would get into dance circles and battle at the parties - lots of fun! I don't dance that much these days, sadly. I am sure Guap will be familiar with some Psytrance, as Brazil has one of the most active and vibrant Psy scenes on the planet.
Really, I love many, many styles of music, but metal is one of my favorites. I also play guitar almost every day and I tend to focus my playing on metal, for the most part.
I love me some good trance. I think the best I listened to were Sasha & Digweeds: Communicate Disc 2, and for dance DJ Baby Anne: Bass Queen In The Mix 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bIlsIg_5v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYyHi08ht3k
Check out some Psytrance...
U-Reken - The Optimist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6P-7nTKf0E
Astrix & Alien Project - We've Got Ice Crystal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGuW8CpdPfU
Flip Flop - Floppy Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD65B1yy_0
Everybody calm down and watch this for fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KCct4RwLNM
Guaporense
12-23-16, 11:15 PM
I am curious if when presented with examples that disprove your claims, you will consistently label them as anecdotal.
I was born and raised in the US, and exactly NONE of my favorite metal bands are from the US.
Dark Tranquillity - Sweden
Insomnium - Finland
Moonsorrow - Finland
Be'Lakor - Australia
Amon Amarth - Sweden
Novembre - Italy
Ghost B.C. - Sweden
Say, that reminds me...didn't Ghost B.C. win a Grammy Award here in the US for best metal performance just this past year? Supported with massive popularity and album sales in the US. That band is from Sweden.
You can take this an anecdotal, or perhaps as an example that there is a portion of the American population that doesn't fit your claims. The last metal show I went to just a month or so ago was packed full, and every band on the bill was from Sweden and Finland. I also saw Amon Amarth earlier in the year in one of the largest concert venues in Boston, and that show was sold out months before.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this, please. :)
Well, you are obviously not the average American in terms of musical consumption. Metal is not remotely mainstream in the US and the average American idea of metal is grunge mixed with rap like Korn.
I am not saying that the US is closed in the sense that its like Iran was in the 80's, I am saying that it's regarded as normal for Americans to only consume Anglo-American culture. Heck, my work mate said I was a weird person for having Crunchyroll.
I also went to metal concerts in the US of European bands and stuff. Well the same can be said that we have 100,000 people in an anime convention in Los Angeles. While I teach classes with half of the class of foreign students and there are student clubs for many types of foreign culture in the university I work for and there are all kinds of people in the US.
But that doesn't change my claim in the slightest. Even being aware of all of that I still have the same impression of American culture as I said here because even if 10% are not xenophobes then you can have everything I mention in the paragraph above.
While I teach classes with half of the class of foreign students and there are student clubs for many types of foreign culture in the university I work fof.
I do not believe, a word of this. Nope, not even a little :nope: :laugh:
Guaporense
12-23-16, 11:22 PM
Guap, I have a feeling you'll vehemently deny it, but you do know that modern Japanese animation (since you hate the term anime so much) was heavily influence by: you guessed it, Disney, an American company.
Osamu Tezuka, referred to as the "God of Manga", and whose art style had by-far the most influence on Japanese animation today, admitted several times that Disney was a huge inspiration for him, and that he allegedly watched Bambi 80 times. So maybe that's one reason not to hate America so much?
Just stating that the US is a inward looking, arrogant and xenophobic culture does not mean I hate the US. Its just that it's imperfect like every other culture. These defects are manifested everywhere you look.
I don't think Disney's influence on Tekuza's work was higher than on other Japanese comic artists. But of course smart people are not affected by xenophobia: Stanley Kubrick wanted to hire Tezuka for 2001's sci fi designs and while 99% of Americans never touched a manga many American movies and TV shows are made by artists with heavy inspiration from manga.
Anyway I don't hate the US. I still have the impression its more like a bubble than other countries its just that it allows its citizens to be free doing what they want to do so if 10% are not xenophobic idiots then we already have subcultures built by them.
Pussy Galore
12-23-16, 11:33 PM
Wouldn't say it's a little bit of a logical leap to go from: ''Often times american make the mistake of considering that manga is a genre whilst it's a medium'' to ''american culture is xenophobic''?
Citizen Rules
12-23-16, 11:36 PM
....Anyway I don't hate the US. I still have the impression its more like a bubble than other countries its just that it allows its citizens to be free doing what they want to do so if 10% are not xenophobic idiots then we already have subcultures built by them. Stop the f***** name calling already! I'm sick of it!
We shouldn't have to be trolled by the likes of you. You clearly hate everything around you. You hate MoFo and you made up a whopping lie about Yoda claiming he implied that "K-On! is for pedophiles."
Guaporense
12-23-16, 11:39 PM
What's that got to do with anything? Either it shares an aesthetic, or not, and that doesn't have anything to do with how much of it is made. This is a non-sequitur.
No because if region A makes the vast majority of comics and animation made in the world would tend to imply that the vast majority of styles in existence in the world would be also from A.
I think it's quite arrogant for Anglophones to say that all this enormous culture has the same style while their far less diverse and sophisticated comics and animation is not a "style". Or should I say every Jewish-Christian animation and comic follows the Jewish-Christian comic style? Their diversity of styles is smaller than East Asian comics and animation.
Also, the last time we discussed this, you posted examples of different anime "styles," and I pointed out (to no response, which is why I'm repeating this) that nearly all of them would still be easily recognizable as Asian even by people who didn't watch much anime. That wouldn't be possible if there were no common style.
Being recognized as asian would only mean that the western comic authors havent used the same set of styles. So it's a large and broad set of distinct styles that are commonly used in East Asian comics and not commonly used in Western comics.
Anyway there is plenty of Japanese influence on the graphic style of even modern Disney movies and much more on TV shows like Totally Spies.
It's only "very insulting" if you have an unhealthy emotional attachment to it.
I see so now I have an "unhealthy emotional attachment". And the personal insults keep coming it. I never insulted you why you need to insult me?
To me it sounds like it's obviously insulting to say that the bulk of the world's comics have the same style just because they are made in the same country. Its like saying that all American movies have the same American directing style. Even though it's true American movies have some degree of shared directing style the differences between the directors are much more pronounced.
Your habit of misremembering/misrepresenting what people have said is a big problem, and a big red flag.
You did far worse than that. I will not waste my time on examples though I am tired of this.
As is the fact that, when it's pointed out, you rarely acknowledge the error, let alone apologize for it. For example, when Vicky quoted what I actually said, you simply started talking about K-On!. Why? The actual nature of K-On! has absolutely nothing to do with the topic
You are judging something you don't know in a state of complete arrogance: you said that K-On! popularity is derived from sex appeal of its character's who are minors (implying its popularity was "pedophilia" in that broad sense of being attracted to minors). That is not true: the show is regarded as prudish in Japan and it even aired on the family TV channels like Disney while Western fans also don't see it as sexualized.
I will not answer to further arguments from you (too much time wasted).
Guaporense
12-23-16, 11:50 PM
Wouldn't say it's a little bit of a logical leap to go from: ''Often times american make the mistake of considering that manga is a genre whilst it's a medium'' to ''american culture is xenophobic''?
No because I never made that jump.
American culture is xenophobic because it's regarded as abnormal for Americans to be heavily interested in the rest of the world. For instance, Bluedeed once made the claim that he was not "intimidated" by "foreign movies", as if being intimidated by movies made in other countries is normal for an American movies buff.
Its regarded as normal here for you to only watch American movies and have top favorites with only American stuff and they get angry when I point out that they are "fans of American movies". Even though there is not actual inherent difference between American and non-American movies they act as if there were. They judge movies based on nationality.
Of course thinking that all manga is the same is a clear symptom of that xenophobia: its stereotyping of stuff you don't know because it's foreign.
Now I am not saying the US is the only country to do that: The western world in general is xenophobic regarding the rest. Its a big problem in general and not restricted to the US, although I think the US is more problematic than Brazil in that respect. Although actually Brazilian culture has many severe problems of its own (extreme machismo and homophobia and is more repressive of individual deviants).
Guaporense
12-24-16, 12:04 AM
Stop the f***** name calling already! I'm sick of it!
We shouldn't have to be trolled by the likes of you. You clearly hate everything around you.
No. I like you. Although you don't like me. :D
You hate MoFo
MoFo doesn't exist as such: its a diverse group of people. I like some people here and dislike others just like every single social environment.
and you made up a whopping lie about Yoda claiming he implied that "K-On! is for pedophiles."
Well, he did since he claimed sexuality (of its underage characters) was a part of the shows appeal. Anyway, Miss Vicky said "pedophiles" explicitly. I didn't like that, I think it's extremely arrogant and xenophobic to judge the product of a foreign culture you don't know, specially in such negative way. Although I know plenty of examples of stuff for pedophiles in manga.
K-On is not one of them nor are the other cute girls doing cute things stuff which are all mostly prudish.
Guaporense
12-24-16, 12:17 AM
Life is to short for this. I will not post in this thread anymore. If you don't like what I say you can just ignore me.
There is no point in arguing over this further. Obviously people are offended when I claim the US is an inward looking, arrogant and xenophobic culture. It is but obviously nobody here will admit that their beloved country is not perfect.
Americans like to think they are individualist but they get insulted on a personal level if I criticize an aspect of the country they live in.
Miss Vicky
12-24-16, 12:51 AM
Well, he did since he claimed sexuality (of its underage characters) was a part of the shows appeal.
Just because sexuality isn't intended to be part of K-On's appeal doesn't mean that it isn't actually part of it.
And as to your claims that the show is "prudish," you said yourself that the show's fans view the girls as lesbians. If it was actually prudish, there'd be no consideration of the sexuality of a bunch of young girls.
Anyway, Miss Vicky said "pedophiles" explicitly. I didn't like that, I think it's extremely arrogant and xenophobic to judge the product of a foreign culture you don't know, specially in such negative way. Although I know plenty of examples of stuff for pedophiles in manga.
Frankly, I don't give a damn what you like or don't like. I still fail to see what appeal that movie would have for anyone who isn't either a teenaged schoolgirl or someone who fetishizes teen schoolgirls. In any case, judging "the product of a foreign culture" is not the same as judging the culture itself. Moreover, by nominating K-On! The Movie for the Hall of Fame you were asking me to judge it.
Americans like to think they are individualist but they get insulted on a personal level if I criticize an aspect of the country they live in.
Sounds like a Brazilian I know who gets insulted on a personal level if someone criticizes an aspect of a type of animated film from a certain Asian country.
Captain Steel
12-24-16, 01:17 AM
Life is to short for this. I will not post in this thread anymore. If you don't like what I say you can just ignore me.
There is no point in arguing over this further. Obviously people are offended when I claim the US is an inward looking, arrogant and xenophobic culture. It is but obviously nobody here will admit that their beloved country is not perfect.
Americans like to think they are individualist but they get insulted on a personal level if I criticize an aspect of the country they live in.
You mean there are no Liberals on this board? ;)
I'm behind you, Guap. BLM (Brazilian Lives Matter).
Mr Minio
12-24-16, 07:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tku1sU4vbJc
2 things:
1.Merry Christmas guys
2.I'm taking bets on the next time this happens with Guap; he's told us for the fortieth time that he won't post about it, i have 4 reps on February 2017.
MovieMeditation
12-24-16, 10:12 AM
Guap is the biggest joke the forum has ever had.
And that is not because of his failed attempts at trolling the forum. It is his ignorant and persistent way to keep going on about the same bullsh*t every time and usually bringing it up himself by saying something utterly stupid towards anything that is American or if his precious anime gets criticized...
But all in all, the main problem always seem to be the same: you never ever ever ever seem to be able to understand or comprehend anything that is not spoken from your side of a discussion. And the funny thing is, you usually talk a lot about how we are not on the same level as you or are able to understand the things you do. But no, the problem really is that you have created your own bubble of beautiful amazingness and invites no one in there except yourself... but oh how you talk about how amazing and not the least correct it is in there...
We are wrong and you are right. That's how it always is and will always be. We have a counterpoint to your discussion, you won't even try to understand it. Not a single bit. And as Camo mentioned all the way back, the icing of the cake is how you critize us for not understanding anime and expanding our mind and taste, but you are one of the most single and simpleminded people I know - mostly discussion-wise but clearly also movietaste-wise.
Get real, or get out. Simple. Your bullsh*t is old, worn out. We've been there, done that. YOU need to change, Guap, that's all that needs to happen for everything to work out.
I think it's quite arrogant for Anglophones to say that all this enormous culture has the same style while their far less diverse and sophisticated comics and animation is not a "style".
First, I don't recall anyone saying American culture didn't have a style. Sounds like another straw man. And second, while it does have broad stylistic tendencies, it stands to reason that a less homogeneous culture--particularly one that has a tendency to import talent from the rest of the world--would have a less discernible style.
Being recognized as asian would only mean that the western comic authors havent used the same set of styles.
...which was the entire thing being argued about. Remember, you dismissed the idea that they have different styles, because you had to rule that out to leave bigotry as the only remaining explanation. Yet here, you admit they do use a different "set of styles." QED.
I see so now I have an "unhealthy emotional attachment".
You told me criticizing your favorite shows was like criticizing someone's religion. You're saying you think that's healthy?
To me it sounds like it's obviously insulting to say that the bulk of the world's comics have the same style just because they are made in the same country.
See, look what just happened: "just because they are made in the same country." You added that part. Saying something generally has a similar/noticeable style is not the same thing as saying it had to have that style simply because of where it was made.
Every argument I've had with you has gone this same way: an extreme opening statement, followed by questioning that reveals it isn't warranted, followed by you exaggerating or misrepresenting what was said to make that initial statement look more reasonable. The only explanation I can come up with is that you don't respond to what people actually say (let alone mean), you just respond to how it makes you feel. So if someone dismisses some animated film you love, it doesn't matter if they gave you zero reason to suspect their dismissal was based on bigotry: it makes you feel bad, therefore they must have meant it in some horribly malicious way. As I've said many times, this can all be traced back to a simple failure of empathy: placing an outsized importance on your own feelings and interests relative to those of others.
You are judging something you don't know in a state of complete arrogance: you said that K-On! popularity is derived from sex appeal of its character's who are minors (implying its popularity was "pedophilia" in that broad sense of being attracted to minors).
False. Read the post again:
I don't see any basis for your (fairly provocative) claim that you have to think all men are pedophiles to find some of these images sexual. Nor is suggesting that the sexual aspect is part of the appeal the same thing as saying everyone who likes it is a pedophile.
This is me explicitly saying that having sexuality play some role does not mean it's just for pedophiles, or that liking it makes you one. So, hilariously, this was you exaggerating someone's claim again, me explaining that the claim was much more nuanced...and then you misremembering it later as lacking nuance! That's an incredible commitment to rationalization that I have to think is borderline willful.
I will not answer to further arguments from you (too much time wasted).
You're not answering them now, so this won't be much of a change.
MovieMeditation
12-24-16, 04:15 PM
The only explanation I can come up with is that you don't respond to what people actually say (let alone mean), you just respond to how it makes you feel.
That's very true actually.
You're not answering them now, so this won't be much of a change.
Oh snap!!!!!
tatmmw2
12-27-16, 05:53 PM
I'm writting this without reading 8 pages, I just finish my daily studies and tried to be up to date with the forum by reading the Moffies thread and a lot more so I'm sorry if I missed something that was important to read before writting but I just need a break of reading pages and pages of posts.
Just forgot how I get here, but as I saw that this had 2 years I was wondering what made Guap return. Almost half thread ago this discussion started. I think I get what you mean with people being hostile to you (not because I experienced it) I remember in the HOF I was excited you were participating and then the whole thing blowed up into a conflict and you left because of your nomination.
I didn't read all but I did read a few things some people said about your post. Like Yoda's post that says that you have to accept people having different taste and being able to face "critiques".
I like anime, a lot, but I understand why people would choose not to watch it too, it must be like olives. I even started trying to learn japonese by my own with the help of this book I found so yeah, it's nice to have someone that has the same interests even though we are like..what..10,15 years of age difference? :D
This started 6 days ago, so I don't know if it is over maybe I will when I resume reading it, but I just want to said I really appreciate your posts and would like you to stay and keep posting even though not everyone is interested on them. And if you leave well I hope you find yourself a new forum to post a lot or just work since you said that earlier :p
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