Leaving the forum [Archive]

gbgoodies

11-10-14, 01:38 PM

Guap, I'm fairly new here, and I don't think I've had much interaction with you, but it's a shame when someone with unique tastes leaves the forum.

A forum like this is about two things: 1) what you put into it, and 2) what you get out of it. You've put in your opinions on your favorites, in this case animations, but you should also have gotten out of it the chance to watch some wonderful movies that you normally wouldn't have watched without other people's recommendations.

I also have unique tastes in movies, TV and music, and most people here don't agree with my favorites, but that doesn't make me love my favorites any less. I still post my opinions, and I hope that maybe a few people will take the time to watch them, and hopefully they will at least enjoy them, even if my favorites don't become their favorites.

In addition, I read the recommendations that other people post, and I watch a lot of movies that I have never even heard of before I came here, and I probably never would have heard of without someone's recommendation. They may not become my favorites, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy them and appreciate them.

Only you can know what you have put in and gotten out of this forum. If you've watched some movies and listened to some music that you wouldn't have enjoyed without this forum, then you may want to rethink your decision to leave here. You may even prefer to just read the boards without posting, and you can still enjoy some great movies and music outside of your normal genre, without worrying about what anyone else thinks of your opinions, but then you will deprive the few people who respect your opinions the chance to enjoy some of your favorite movies and music.

Don't let the opinions and harsh words of a few people spoil your chance to enjoy some great movies and music, and maybe help a few other people experience a few of your favorites too.

Nostromo87

11-10-14, 01:44 PM

Guapo taking his talents

http://oi58.tinypic.com/k3qd01.jpg

May you find your happiness, if not here, elsewhere

Cobpyth

11-10-14, 01:50 PM

As this was supposed to be your last post, I also took the freedom to be very honest towards you. I hope you don't mind. :)

I don't want to demean you or anything, Guap, but I think you should work on your stability as a person. It's not mentally healthy to get so extremely upset by the stuff you're mentioning.

The reason why so many people here didn't take you seriously is not because your tastes are so different from ours (even if they sometimes are), but it's because you often lack empathy and humor. You take yourself way too seriously and as a result of that you also live in the stubborn illusion that you have a better view on everything than everyone else. That kind of attitude simply rubs people in the wrong way and that's the reason why you got ridiculed so much, especially when your particular opinion was controversial or just plain absurd.

I sometimes appreciated your posts (especially the posts about anime in the appropriate threads for that subject, because you obviously know a lot about that particular medium), but at the same time I also often cringed at your emotionally unintelligent attacks against other people (myself included) when someone tried to challenge you or at your endless attempts to "correct" or "rebuke" people even when you weren't entitled to.

I'm not saying there aren't any other members who are sometimes "sinning" in the same way you do. I'm pretty sure I myself also made many of the same human mistakes because I was passionate about something, but when practically every single post of yours starts to show these "faults" and you're truly serious about it (as you seem to be), something is wrong.

I hope that someday you'll reach some kind of peace of mind that will demolish all your unnecessary and futile frustrations and if officially leaving this place will help you with that, you should definitely persist, but in the first place, I think it's important to take a look at yourself before starting a rant against good people who (I think) never meant to harm you personally. It never hurts to take an intense look in the mirror.

I hope you'll return someday in the future to Movieforums with a more positive and less frustrated look on life and other people and I'm sure everybody will gladly welcome you back.

Adeus, Guap! Desejo-lhe a melhor sorte. :)

Citizen Rules

11-10-14, 01:53 PM

There's an old adage about breaking off a relationship, "Do you pick a fight or just stop calling."

Defore

11-10-14, 01:57 PM

Miss Vicky

11-10-14, 02:01 PM

I'm new to the forums and after reading your post I would be lying to say I'm sad to see you go. Not because of your differing views, which make forums like this interesting and diverse, but because of your snobby attitude and lack of understanding that all people view things differently and this doesn't make them ignorant. I'm not a huge fan of a anime, I am however a fan of animation. I suppose by your logic I'm either a glib moron or a liar. Your departure makes this forum seem a little more welcoming to newcomers.

Welcome to the forums, Defore! I hope you make yourself at home here!

Also make sure you send me your list of your top 25 favorite animated films by Midnight Pacific Time the night of November 30th. Details Here: The MoFo Top Animated Films Countdown. (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=37030)

Mr Minio

11-10-14, 02:02 PM

Why, Guap, why?! I loved Ghibli films and PMMM. Why you hatin' on me. Tentacle hentai is fun. Don't take everything so seriously. If you decide to leave it's ok, but don't make yourself a victim and other members subhumans.

Anyways, have fun with kinky anime!

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foster

11-10-14, 02:07 PM

Farewell :)

I remember when I first joined how strange your tastes were. One thing about movies though is that nobody seems to have the same taste. Even my tastes which are mainstream 80% of the time still prevent me from encountering someone with identical tastes to my own.

Hell I put the man from nowhere in my sig over a year ago, I think finally last week I got one person to watch it :p

The only way I could get a couple of my friends interested in "Edge of Tomorrow" was by telling them that they spent 180 million making the film.

TokeZa

11-10-14, 02:26 PM

I think its sad that you are leaving... but its probably the best, if you get so worked up about other people and what they think about you :)

ashdoc

11-10-14, 02:47 PM

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/70/70bd25c24ce762f21751065ed251af3a74d16b9bcc362372eedba0c5f8051c30.jpg

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/20110412-190616_20110324121351_someone_is_wrong.jpg

Mr Minio

11-10-14, 02:57 PM

"I’m going to continue making anime until I die." - Hayao Miyazaki

Guap got so excited he ditched the forums and decided to watch Miyazaki films 24 hours a day until he (or Miyazak) dies.

Daniel M

11-10-14, 03:17 PM

As I started reasoning the post I thought maybe I'd feel sorry for Guap, but as I got further into it I was reminded at why people wing him up so much. Makes it so easy as Cobpyth points out with his lack of humour and the way he acts as if he is a God of anime and everyone must bow down to him. Just because people don't watch anime doesn't mean they can't be a fan of animation :p

Mark F, who is worshiped here, for instance, watched every single piece of garbage hollywood has made 5 times over and refuses to move out of his little hole being completely ignorant of most of the world's artistic mediums, although he is old so juvenile stuff like games and anime is not in his taste palette but english language literature for instance, is an extremely conservative alternative to watching every single piece of garbage that comes out of hollywood over and over again is not even explored.

I have to admit, I laughed quite a lot at this bit, well quite a lot at all the stuff that he targets at specific members. I think this post will go down in the history books, only Guap could have come up with it.

jiraffejustin

11-10-14, 03:24 PM

I made a joke about your taste and that infuriates you? :shrug:

I say worse than that to people all the time. I don't want to see you go either, but man, I don't see how you will be happy anywhere if that's all that it takes to upset you.

rauldc14

11-10-14, 04:06 PM

I thought about leaving on a temporary basis a couple months ago, but I got over my frustrations. I don't think anyone here is personally against people.

I guess I will have to be the new Miyazaki supporter on this forum.

WoOdWoRk

11-10-14, 04:31 PM

Seems narcissistic and maybe even a little sociopathic. A ham-handed approach of 'im smarter than you' and swift tirades of anger and violence usually don't have a place in social mediums, most likley why he was having trouble.

If true, its a shame. Mental health isn't a joke (obviously nowadays) and they're the types who turn into mass shooters.

MovieGal

11-10-14, 04:40 PM

Guap, I dont know you very well but who cares what you enjoy or dont.. I dont care what people think of me.. and what I watch.. Im the oddest duck in the pond.... and seriously if people dont like me for who I am.. then they are not worth my time. I get **** about the stuff I enjoy but it rolls off my back. I guess some people cant do that.. and I guess that comes with maturity. I didnt interact with you much but I do know you and Derek Vineyard are good friends.. and Derek and I are somewhat friends... I hope you the best. Perhaps there is an anime movie forum out there that will fit your needs.. if you ever come back.. its ok with me.. I accept you for who you are... and you are yourself and not part of the norm.

Sexy Celebrity

11-10-14, 04:49 PM

Personally, I've never noticed what was so bad about Guaporense. But then again, I try not to mind my competition for the "Most Controversial MoFo" award, while trying hard to fatally destroy my competition for "Funniest MoFo", that British thing who shared my award last year.

Part of me -- a large part of me -- thinks Guaporense is really an alternate account of Planet News and that this whole thing is part of a master scheme cooked up by Planet News and Yoda. If I turn out to be right, remember that I was right.

I tend to befriend the villains around here, though. Django, Guaporense, Powderfinger, Cinemaaficionado -- all have been friends with me. Though I really didn't get to know Guaporense all that well. But I think he knows I'm okay with him.

Captain Spaulding

11-10-14, 05:08 PM

R.I.P. Guap. Enjoy the 72 animated schoolgirl virgins waiting on the other side.

Tenshi

11-10-14, 05:16 PM

I think you simply expected way too much.

People have different taste and the ones here are old enough to know how to express their opinion about things. Some do it harshly and some do it nicely, just like IRL. If you can't handle people because they don't agree with you or can't appreciate things that you do then you shouldn't have tried to join any community at all. Especially if you have anger problems as well of not being able to accept critisism.

People commented when they don't know, so what? Everyone has a voice even if they use it wrongly.

Thing is, something that for YOU is so important, for other person is ridiculous. It's called different taste and opinions and as far as they don't disrespect you because of liking different things I don't see why you should rage quit.

Eitherway, if you come back, do yourself a favor and don't expect anything from people. That way you'll never get as frustrated as you did, and will actually learn to enjoy things. Pc ~

Kaplan

11-10-14, 05:23 PM

So does this mean I still have to listen to Angra Temple of Shadows? Ah, what the heck, for you Guap, I'll give it a listen. Take care.

Sexy Celebrity

11-10-14, 05:24 PM

You know, yesterday I seriously considered starting up a Heavy Metal Song Tournament with the hopes that Guap would join. Good thing I didn't do that.

Yasashii

11-10-14, 05:37 PM

This is genuinely sad. I kinda get it, but I also kinda don't.

I know how it feels to have to fight with people over opinions. I once stirred up a fight on this forum over something stupid. I can't remember what it was exactly but I think it had something to do with electric cars and the kind of people who buy them. I was being crushed, and I got frustrated and wrote some things I now regret having written, as it definitely made people think of me as an immature hater with a gigantic self-esteem; a fact which became apparent to me when Cobpyth pointed it out some time ago (rightfully so, by the way).

Well, I still hate electric cars and the people who buy them. However, this is now a hatred which lives inside me, carefully kept away from the surface. I try not to argue about things like that anymore. It's really hard, and sometimes it proves to be stronger than me, and I hope that one day I will be mature enough not to feel that hatred anymore.

My point is, frustration and exhaustion is a thing that comes naturally when you share your opinions online, and in real life as well. If you cannot find anyone who agrees with what you have to say, you feel alienated and, eventually, lonely. So I get that part.

The part I don't get is rage quitting. You can get away from this forum, yes. Does it mean you will find many people somewhere else who appreciate animation and non-mainstream movies on the level you do? Sadly, I don't think so. Do you think that when you talk to a guy from work and ask him: "Hey, did you see that awesome French animated movie that's so hard to find a copy of, in which the main character is (...)", he will go: "Yeah, sure, I enjoyed the animation very much, it reminds me of the work of (...)"? Sorry, that's not gonna happen. He's gonna go: "Nah man, I don't watch that stuff. The only french movies I ever saw was the Taxi series.".

Then, of course, you can rage quit on that guy too and not talk to him anymore, try talking with another person and do the same thing, and then another, and another, until you realize there's nobody left, and you won't get a second chance until you move to another town because the people who know you don't want to talk to you anymore. I know because this happened to me.

So the point is: don't run away because there's a dead end on that road.

Loner

11-10-14, 05:42 PM

Hey Guap, be sure to take your music with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWac5UT80no
You'll be missed...
...by someone.

TONGO

11-10-14, 05:47 PM

Well Guap if you feel certain posters are just consistently aggravating then put them on ignore. If youre still aggravated then the problem is yours. Hey, Ive been there. Ive spazzed, and you could weigh the amount of PMs Ive sent to Yoda regarding posters. Mostly the guy mentioned in comment I left you.

Heres a hard truth you will have to swallow if you decide to return. People dont give a crap about anime, or want to know of it. Ive been there as Ive a huge knowledge about the pro-wrestling business, and nobody would give a flys fart to hear about it. If I brought it up it (or I) would face ridicule.

Those opinions arent a reflection on you, nor would they be on me. Wish we ran into each other on here.

Skepsis93

11-10-14, 05:51 PM

This place will be a little less entertaining without you, Guap.

Get help.

MovieMeditation

11-10-14, 06:00 PM

I feel like saying the good ol' "welcome to the internet" but you seem like a dude who wouldn't understand that I'm just effing with ya...

Anyways, I don't know you but from what I read of you extremely long text it seemed like you really have a hard time excepting that there's things you like and things others like. But of course, if your taste is so different that pretty much no one see the same stuff as you I can understand.

But if that is not the case, you should just learn to take it easy on the internet, not continuing arguements over an extremely long time that, in the end, would never be solved anyways. People have different opinions, some people like to just argue, others are making jokes, others are being serious. That's just how it is, and how it is in real life as well, so if you can't handle it here good luck out there. (Sorry for the harsh tone but I'm just trying to state things as they are)

jiraffejustin

11-10-14, 06:03 PM

Heres a hard truth you will have to swallow if you decide to return. People dont give a crap about anime, or want to know of it. Ive been there as Ive a huge knowledge about the pro-wrestling business, and nobody would give a flys fart to hear about it. If I brought it up it (or I) would face ridicule.

I'd actually love to talk with you about pro-wrestling. I don't watch it anymore, but I used to be really into it. I've recently been feeling that itch to maybe watch some again or at least finally watch Beyond the Mat.

Sexy Celebrity

11-10-14, 06:06 PM

Frankly, I'm confused. To me, it seems like this forum should be infested with anime freaks. The fact that someone is angry and saying they're leaving the forum because everyone talks too much about mainstream/American movies... I don't know where the Hell he's getting this. Has he not seen the movie countdowns?

Yoda

11-10-14, 06:11 PM

That's because it's not actually about people having different tastes. It's about people having different conceptions of how we're supposed to talk to each other.

TONGO

11-10-14, 06:17 PM

I'd actually love to talk with you about pro-wrestling. I don't watch it anymore, but I used to be really into it. I've recently been feeling that itch to maybe watch some again or at least finally watch Beyond the Mat.

Dude, the wrestling war was incredible and then after Vince bought WCW his product has become completely PG. Youd do well by yourself to watch the old stuff and interviews on YouTube compared to the current product. Btw, regardless if you were a big Kevin Nash fan he has the best interviews on YouTube. Highly articulate and funny.

My knowledge behind the scenes is limited to what Ive read in the Wrestling Observer (trade sheets) and guys I know in florida. There are a TON of wrestler that live in Florida (no state tax). Heck I live within 40 miles of the Undertaker.

I dont know if I should open a thread for it, but I can tell you some real road stories thatll make you laugh your balls off. :yup:

jiraffejustin

11-10-14, 06:29 PM

You should start a thread. I don't know how much activity it will have, but I'd be interested in those stories.

Sexy Celebrity

11-10-14, 06:32 PM

Tell all those stories right here. Hijack Guapo's goodbye thread.

jiraffejustin

11-10-14, 06:37 PM

I keep forgetting that my profile banner is Macho Man Randy Savage. You have any Macho Man stories? I think he was a Floridian.

christine

11-10-14, 06:38 PM

I'm sure a lot of people here have an encyclopaedic knowledge about something or other, but calling other people ignorant because they don't share your point of view isn't going to endear you to many others even if you think you're 100% in the right.

There must be plenty of forums that specialise in anime where more people will be able to share in depth discussions with you. A brief scan around this website would've shown you that most of us are fans of much more mainstream films.

If you're reading this, just a kindly word of advice from someone old enough to be your mum - don't let anything said by people you don't know for real upset you so much. Real life is tough enough without allowing people off the internet to get you down.

Good luck anyway :)

honeykid

11-10-14, 06:39 PM

I'm not leaving the forum, but I won't be here for a couple of days. Just thought I'd say that. :)

Sexy Celebrity

11-10-14, 06:52 PM

I'm not leaving the forum, but I won't be here for a couple of days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

Don't return till after Friday -- that's my birthday.

mikeython1

11-10-14, 07:31 PM

I had very little interaction with Guap but it sounds like a pitty party to me.

TONGO

11-10-14, 07:46 PM

I keep forgetting that my profile banner is Macho Man Randy Savage. You have any Macho Man stories? I think he was a Floridian.

Better than that, he was from Sarasota, Florida. I live in Bradenton which is literally right nest to sota. I got a couple other people inquiring about the business so later tonight Ill open a story/discussion thread.

Rhys

11-10-14, 08:04 PM

You attacking other people wasn't the best way to leave Guap but anyway.. I never really talked to you but I am pretty sure you will be looking at all these comments. I hope you have a good life and I hope your anger issues do get sorted, I'm not taking a dislike against you, I still don't know you well enough to judge. If you decide to come back I won't dismiss you. But try take a lesson from this, don't attack other people over the internet, or in real life for that matter; just to try make an impression. You could have been a lot more modest and had a respectful exit. You're 25 and that was pretty immature.

matt72582

11-10-14, 08:10 PM

The more I disagree the more I want to know why... I plan on seeing "Walking Life" because of a friend's recommendation, and then the emphasis from this board. I came here from Craigslist! - but I just stopped posting. Someone from CL recommended this place, and I don't mind one bit that I share so much love for similar films. Some people are just indifferent, but I feel for someone who feels like they're all alone.

I haven't been here that long, but it seems very easy to go after people personally when you're staring at a screen, as opposed to talking to individuals face to face.

Voigan

11-10-14, 08:53 PM

Bye, Guap. I really enjoyed reading your posts on anime and animation in general. I hope you decide to come back someday, even if it's just for brief visits.

rauldc14

11-10-14, 08:55 PM

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Derek Vinyard

11-10-14, 09:11 PM

Always like you man ! everytime you posting on a thread I'll be sure I'm gonna be entertain because you're funny as hell and I guess that you're a nice guy. If you don't ever return I wish you a nice life and enjoy it at the maximum man. See ya !

mark f

11-10-14, 09:11 PM

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VFN

11-10-14, 09:37 PM

Don't know Guap's posts but I'll say that it can be frustrating if people tend to dismiss what you find of value.

Sexy Celebrity

11-10-14, 09:43 PM

Are we sure today isn't a Brazilian April Fool's Day?

rauldc14

11-10-14, 09:43 PM

Thank you Guap for the Miyazaki recommendations though. I seriously do enjoy his works and probably wouldn't have watched them if you weren't so passionate about his works.

mark f

11-10-14, 09:54 PM

Don't know Guap's posts but I'll say that it can be frustrating if people tend to dismiss what you find of value.
True, but that cuts both ways.

linespalsy

11-10-14, 10:05 PM

Yeah, it really sucks when people value what you tend to dismiss.

mlaturno

11-10-14, 10:07 PM

There's no leaving this place.

WoOdWoRk

11-10-14, 10:09 PM

There's no leaving this place.

We have such sights to show you!

Frightened Inmate No. 2

11-10-14, 10:23 PM

Poor Guap never got over the fact that the movie Brazil didn't take place in the country Brazil. That's the real reason he's leaving.

Nostromo87

11-10-14, 10:29 PM

most of us probably have movies we'd like to see get more MoFo Land facetime

there's a way to do that, and there's a way to turn folks off and sort of misunderstand moviewatching, to some degree

i'm pretty selfish with my moviewatching time, and i think most people are bc it's *each person's own time* which is finite. doesn't mean i won't add a movies to my queue that folks are promoting on here and look cool. two of the most fun watches of my last year were when i watched Young Guns and Mannequin, bc i was thinking about Rodent and Sexy b!tching at each other the whole runtime, which cracked me up for both

guess i'm not really talking to Guapo anymore, since he took his talents to South Beach or whatever, guess i'm talking to you azzholes left around here :shifty::)

i don't think Guap really nailed it when he described this place. MovieForums is like Zion or some heavenly kingdom compared to a lot of places online. at least to me. i've frequented sports blogs / message boards before that resemble Hell-On-Earth much more than MoFo Land. this place shouldn't get its name dragged through the mud just bc it didn't get its Guapo Animé Revolution Renaissance where we all morph into animé junkies

VFN

11-10-14, 10:31 PM

Maybe we should all get Brazilians and start things anew.

JayDee

11-10-14, 10:32 PM

If I'm being honest I was never entirely sure what to make of Guap. For a while I really wasn't a fan because he came across as very arrogant, confrontational and disrespectful to other MoFos. I then decided to cut him a bit of slack and give him the benefit of the doubt that it was just misplaced passion, or that it was even just language issues and crossed wires. I also discovered that if in my head I just added the words "in my opinion" before embarking on his posts they were less likely to make my blood boil.

Well congrats Guap, you just removed whatever sense of doubt I had about you

Tastes are subjective but there is something called understanding

:laugh: Oh the irony there is just wonderful! So apparently you understand that tastes are subjective and yet you spent the whole post pretty much ripping everyone else's tastes other than your own? And yes there is indeed something called understanding. Just a shame you don't seem able to grasp that particular concept.

the people here made it an extremely agonizing experience for me Goodbye *******,

Always nice to leave on a gracious note. :yup:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/JayDee87/anchor_unbox_zps932ec449.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/JayDee87/media/anchor_unbox_zps932ec449.jpg.html)

Oh yeah and going after Mark F? Smart move. :up: That'll really get people on your side.

rauldc14

11-10-14, 10:36 PM

Remember this thread for thread of the year 2014 mofies

rauldc14

11-10-14, 10:39 PM

PS- I didn't see until now that you want to punch people like me in the face.

Stay classy bro

Derek Vinyard

11-10-14, 10:45 PM

it's ok guys.... he is gone so even if you write something he probably never gonna read it so we can move on

VFN

11-10-14, 10:51 PM

I don't think anyone should take what Guap said personally. He's obviously frustrated, lashing out and cares about this place. When you don't care you have indifference not anger.

TheUsualSuspect

11-10-14, 10:55 PM

I am posting this because it would make me commit to not post here anymore. I decided to leave this forum though I also know that I should have done so far earlier, like 18 months ago. The reasons are very simple: people here have different interests and sensibilities than mine in general. While I love Hollywood movies I also love other mediums and other art forms such as animation (which I wrote quite a lot about) which most people here have no serious interest in (watching a couple Pixar movies does not make you a fan of animation, in fact, I would say that watching a hundred late night anime shows is a basic requirement for anyone to claim be a fan of the medium the same way that watching several hundred Hollywood movies is a requirement for anyone who claims to be a film buff).

Overall I would say that participating in this forum was a pain. It negatively affected my own personal life, given the time I wasted here and the nerves I burned while fighting with other people here. For instance, I am wasting my time writing this post instead of actually working on my research or actually enjoying my free time.

Comments like Jiraffe's "your taste in live action is much better than in animation" are infuriating for the simple reason that he doesn't have significant knowledge of the field of animation in the first place. One thing about popular perception of anime is that differently from a field such as European art film, it lacks the aura of respect that people ignorant about the field have, as result people who lack any experience with the medium easily dismiss it and easily shout ignorant offensive comments to all works within it's spectrum "poorly written RPG", saying that is less precise than saying that all American movies are "poorly written comic book adaptations" (which is actually true for most recent commercial successes) and all European movies are "masturbatory exercises of it's directors" (actually true for most of those films who win the Cannes). Or when Raul said "it's garbage" without actually saying anything of substance, anything that's interesting but still positioning himself as if he knew anything. Something that honestly makes me want to punch people in the face. Given that I cannot adequately express myself through the internet such remarks left me with a unfulfilled desire of retaliation. I am a extremely aggressive and stubborn person, if I were more emotionally balanced I would naturally not even talk about it here (like Jal90 who is an animation fan but knows that here is not the place to talk about the medium and hence doesn't waste his time here, smart decision and one I should have made before). Tastes are subjective but there is something called understanding and I noticed people here in general do not have a clue about anime, even the more basic mainstream stuff like Miyazaki's work.

While I posted a huge deal about the medium I had very little effective feedback and substantive discussion. The anime titles I nominated for the Hall of Fame all tanked even though they are all extremely well respected by it's fans (they are as popular relatively as the most popular Hollywood movies nominated such as Psycho and Dr. Strangelove, which of course, were in the first places). Of course, this is a forum that unites people who like what's the popular perception of film is, that is, Hollywood's products and a couple of the most popular non-english European and Japanese titles, so that's what people here are likely to love. And I was stupid in not understanding that or refusing to understand such obvious fact. I don't like to offend people but fact is that most of you (but not all!) are extremely ignorant people whose field of vision is so limited it makes me depressed (as zotis said to me "mainstream idiots"). Mark F, who is worshiped here, for instance, watched every single piece of garbage hollywood has made 5 times over and refuses to move out of his little hole being completely ignorant of most of the world's artistic mediums, although he is old so juvenile stuff like games and anime is not in his taste palette but english language literature for instance, is an extremely conservative alternative to watching every single piece of garbage that comes out of hollywood over and over again is not even explored. Or when the forum's owner claimed (that was 2 years ago) it is perfectly natural to only list hollywood films as favorites and even tries to justify it while being completely ignorant of the stuff existing outside of the little world of hollywood. Yes little because hollywood only makes 150 movies a year (considering only the ones that cost over 1 million dollars made by the big studios and not indie movies nobody knows about), or 300 hours of film. That's very little stuff, even anime (which is also small compared to manga or english language literature) alone is way larger with 150 series made per year (which also cost over a million dollars each) or about 1500 hours of animation, and in fact, more diverse in many ways given the less restrictive broad demographic pandering it needs to be profitable it can focus on more specific interests and hence fulfill those interests in a better fashion. Over the past two decades anime and videogames have been far more active in artistic innovation than hollywood and far more interesting as well, producing greater artistic value. But it's ok, even if you want to restrict yourself to hollywood you don't need to be a complete ***** and spout ******** about fields you have no knowledge in (in fact, Mr. Minio constant joking with tentacle hentai is also indicative of his ignorance and lack of respect for something he has no clue about, also his constant teasing with my hobby of animation is also disappointing and infuriating).

I am sorry if I offended anyone but given this is my last post here I have no cost in being honest since I don't need to be polite. While I think this is a good forum in terms of basic "design" the people here made it an extremely agonizing experience for me Goodbye *******, not wasting time of my life here anymore, 5 thousand posts worth about a thousand pages of text has been enough!

P.S. I am obviously not participating in the music hall of fame even though the nominations appeared to be interesting. Also, it's obvious that my nomination would tank like always since I have completely different tastes compared to anybody else here.

tl;dr

From what I gather, this is another attention grabbing post. You don't want to be here, just leave, don't try to draw attention to yourself.

Iroquois

11-11-14, 01:49 AM

What a shame.

I guess this means the "top 50 videogames" thread won't be getting finished.

Gatsby

11-11-14, 03:08 AM

Guap bro this is an internet forum, not everything will go the way you want. My advice is make a glass of water, lemonade, martini or whatever and chill off and take a break.

Mr Minio

11-11-14, 07:38 AM

Poor Guap never got over the fact that the movie Brazil didn't take place in the country Brazil. That's the real reason he's leaving. Statistically, American film titles have nothing to do with its content, while with foreign cinema about 23,1% of the titles refer to the content, which makes it about 3% more than English-language films. It shows how arrogant are the producers of Hollywood garbage. It's different with Japanese animation, where over 70% of titles have a lot to do with the movie, or its content. It's more than any other art form, literature included! It only shows how reasonable the producers of anime are and how stupid American Hollywood producers tend to be.

Frightened Inmate No. 2

11-11-14, 08:46 AM

Besides, I'm pretty sure the country was named after the film and not the other way around.

TONGO

11-11-14, 09:01 AM

As for thread of the year nominee - grumpy cat says no! This departure thread isnt even in the same solar system of interesting compared to Cinemafacianados thread when he left. Actually if this thread would be a thread of the year nominee it would be a black eye to anyone that ever put work into making a good thread.

Yoda

11-11-14, 09:19 AM

As for thread of the year nominee - grumpy cat says no! This departure thread isnt even in the same solar system of interesting compared to Cinemafacianados thread when he left.
Yeah, that spoiled me. Now I'm disappointed when someone leaves without pretending to be a spy or something.

teeter_g

11-11-14, 09:40 AM

earlsmoviepicks

11-11-14, 12:13 PM

Was it something we said?

The Gunslinger45

11-11-14, 04:39 PM

Oh snap! I am late to the good bye thread!

Guap I remember when I first got here almost two years ago and we initially had a connection with a mutual love of Kurosawa. I thought you were a cool guy. Now you seemed dialed into anime a bit more then even most otaku, but who cares? Everyone has their loves. And yeah you have had more then a few run ins with other members of the forum over your taste which were not handled well. But over all you were a unique personality to the site. I am sad to see ya go.

http://www.notourdayjob.com/blogweb/uploads/Rants/rant_cowboy_topimg.jpg

R.P. McMurphy

11-11-14, 05:12 PM

There's no leaving this place.

MOFO= Hotel California

Tenshi

11-11-14, 05:57 PM

So.... You didn't and couldn't get anyone to 'conform' to your tastes. Big surprise. You didn't get your way so you are taking your ball and going home. I would love to say that your presence here effected me in a positive way, but I can't. You are extremely narrow minded. At least most of us have given the medium a fair shot before we decided we didn't care for it. I understand that you love it, and that is fantastic, I am happy that you have found something that you care about enough to be dogmatic about it. You have to understand that other people aren't going to feel the same way. People give me crap here all the time about things from my movie choices to my personal life, I don't care. These people don't really know me. They don't see the things that I see or feel the things that I feel, when they start giving me trouble I will respond but I don't really care. You waste too much energy on trying to be right when in reality there is no right or wrong in film tastes. You either like something or you don't. So goodbye G, I hope that you find some site that shares your complete obsession with anime. I am sure there are some out there.

I highly doubt so, sure there are but most of them are filled with 12-14 years old kids. And they're far worse than the people on here, if he couldn't be here he definitely will quit any other community.

Sexy Celebrity

11-11-14, 06:16 PM

Come on, Guap. Come back and respond to people here, at least. And then you can go. Make this thread more fun.

bluedeed

11-11-14, 06:29 PM

Mad I didn't get a shout out in Guap's goodbye post...

MoFo just got less interesting and fun

jal90

11-11-14, 06:46 PM

I highly doubt so, sure there are but most of them are filled with 12-14 years old kids. And they're far worse than the people on here, if he couldn't be here he definitely will quit any other community.
Actually, the average is more towards 18-20, if you talk about sites like MyAnimeList.

But yeah, it's a worse community, but not for the reasons you assume; rather, because it's so self-aware that nobody takes anything seriously there. It's like a huge meme. There are very few actual debates and troll threads are part of the mood and idiosyncrasy there.

On the other hand it's not that difficult to find anime related sites that aim to an older userbase, but they tend to be quite close-minded communities with very specific rules and clear directions.

12-14-year-olds prefer standard social networks or chats where they are not forced to structure their posts and the conditions allow a faster method of communication. And this is true for everything, movies, anime and whatever.

Voigan

11-11-14, 07:50 PM

On the other hand it's not that difficult to find anime related sites that aim to an older userbase, but they tend to be quite close-minded communities with very specific rules and clear directions.

That might suit Guap better, to be honest. I mean, I never had any trouble with the guy but he's not the exactly the most open minded MoFo around so maybe he'll get along better in a more regimented forum.

jal90

11-11-14, 08:01 PM

That might suit Guap better, to be honest. I mean, I never had any trouble with the guy but he's not the exactly the most open minded MoFo around so maybe he'll get along better in a more regimented forum.
Well, to be honest I don't mean this in that way; rather, that they tend to be very demanding in the level of elaboration of the posts, and are very concerned with trolling and derails... in short, stricter with the rules. That makes the sites look rigid and more difficult to approach for a new user.

donniedarko

11-11-14, 08:24 PM

Peace out man, learn to mellow out a bit

Well Cobpyth put it better:

As this was supposed to be your last post, I also took the freedom to be very honest towards you. I hope you don't mind. :)

I don't want to demean you or anything, Guap, but I think you should work on your stability as a person. It's not mentally healthy to get so extremely upset by the stuff you're mentioning.

The reason why so many people here didn't take you seriously is not because your tastes are so different from ours (even if they sometimes are), but it's because you often lack empathy and humor. You take yourself way too seriously and as a result of that you also live in the stubborn illusion that you have a better view on everything than everyone else. That kind of attitude simply rubs people in the wrong way and that's the reason why you got ridiculed so much, especially when your particular opinion was controversial or just plain absurd.

I sometimes appreciated your posts (especially the posts about anime in the appropriate threads for that subject, because you obviously know a lot about that particular medium), but at the same time I also often cringed at your emotionally unintelligent attacks against other people (myself included) when someone tried to challenge you or at your endless attempts to "correct" or "rebuke" people even when you weren't entitled to.

I'm not saying there aren't any other members who are sometimes "sinning" in the same way you do. I'm pretty sure I myself also made many of the same human mistakes because I was passionate about something, but when practically every single post of yours starts to show these "faults" and you're truly serious about it (as you seem to be), something is wrong.

I hope that someday you'll reach some kind of peace of mind that will demolish all your unnecessary and futile frustrations and if officially leaving this place will help you with that, you should definitely persist, but in the first place, I think it's important to take a look at yourself before starting a rant against good people who (I think) never meant to harm you personally. It never hurts to take an intense look in the mirror.

I hope you'll return someday in the future to Movieforums with a more positive and less frustrated look on life and other people and I'm sure everybody will gladly welcome you back.

Adeus, Guap! Desejo-lhe a melhor sorte. :)

See, not all walls of texts are bad.

donniedarko

11-11-14, 08:27 PM

R.I.P. Guap. Enjoy the 72 animated schoolgirl virgins waiting on the other side.

Don't make a martyr of him! Or maybe do, others will leave.

-KhaN-

11-11-14, 08:30 PM

Bye,can't say I'll wake at night missing you but its never fun to lose member of forum...Had few clash with him,mostly about World Cup and his claims about Brazil being awesome or something...Never mind that...At first I thought he is leaving because he is not comfortable here but reading more and more I felt less and less sorry for him.You think you are correct ,everyone else is wrong and everyone with different opinion is "ignorant",that is your main problem,the second problem is you get frustrated about thing people say here...We all defend our opinions,sometimes with too much passion but in the end,nobody holds a grudge...There is a lot more things wrong with what you wrote but people already mentioned them so I won't repeat.

donniedarko

11-11-14, 08:35 PM

I actually didn't like Guap, since what I believe was his first post:

I would consider cult films some serious hardcore stuff. Films like The Mirror, by Tarkovsky, or Stalker, also by Tarkovsky, or Andrei Rublev, by Tarkovsky. Or Aguirre the Wrath of God, by Werner Herzog. Or 8 1/2 by Fellini.

These films are the real hardcore cult stuff.

Fight Club? Lol, kiddo, that's a commercial film for 15 year olds.

5,000 posts and he hasn't really changed much. No wonder he's constantly justifying the BS temper tantrums in his anime films, his posts are a reflection of those scenes.

jal90

11-11-14, 08:47 PM

If there is one thing worse than elitism it's misguided elitism and this post you quote is a pretty blatant example of the latfer.

gandalf26

11-11-14, 09:27 PM

This was nowhere near as good as the Cinemafficianado saga. :)

Modine

11-11-14, 09:30 PM

This thread is GREAT!

Iroquois

11-11-14, 09:34 PM

This was nowhere near as good as the Cinemafficianado saga. :)

I must have missed that, what happened?

Sexy Celebrity

11-11-14, 09:35 PM

Iroquois

11-11-14, 09:52 PM

There are top MoFo countdowns now?

Sexy Celebrity

11-11-14, 09:54 PM

There are top MoFo countdowns now?

There was one. In April. I did it. It went by at lightning speed. You are #95.

Godoggo

11-11-14, 09:55 PM

In the Top MoFos Countdown (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1075897#post1075897), Guaporense was #25.

Higher than people like Harry Lime (26), Mr Minio (27), Sedai (28), donniedarko (30), Hit Girl (32), Tacitus (34), TONGO (36), and even our dear Nebbit (37).

I ranked him really high in that. I've talked to him a few times and he wasn't a bad guy, he's just not got the best social skills in the world.

I like him but that doesn't mean that I don't think Yoda is dead on about what the real crux of his problem is.

I wish he could appreciate and value others for their uniqueness instead of just insisting that he is the only true individual in the world and the rest of us of were of one mind hypnotized by equal parts Hollywood and America. It would have made the good things about him a lot easier to see.

VFN

11-11-14, 10:01 PM

This was nowhere near as good as the Cinemafficianado saga. :)

Is that thread still around?

Harry Lime

11-11-14, 10:21 PM

This thread is so Sexy Celebrity circa <insert year>.

Guapo, don't be a putz. You should stay. Don't listen to these Philistines.

Iroquois

11-11-14, 11:34 PM

There was one. In April. I did it. It went by at lightning speed. You are #95.

Huh, that's not bad for someone who's been really on-and-off for the last two or three years, I guess. A little surprised by some of the people that managed to outrank me (Psychic Isaac? Martian Leader? Juno MacGuff?)

TheUsualSuspect

11-11-14, 11:36 PM

Awwww...Juno. I ripped her so bad and everyone here *cough* MissVicky *cough* was giving me crap for it.

Sexy Celebrity

11-11-14, 11:39 PM

Awwww...Juno. I ripped her so bad and everyone here *cough* MissVicky *cough* was giving me crap for it.

Miss Vicky got mad because you made fun of someone who's female?

Camo

11-11-14, 11:43 PM

http://i60.tinypic.com/2cgjvxv.jpg

TONGO

11-11-14, 11:44 PM

Huh, that's not bad for someone who's been really on-and-off for the last two or three years, I guess. A little surprised by some of the people that managed to outrank me (Psychic Isaac? Martian Leader? Juno MacGuff?)

Yeah and Juno came back as Scout doing the same pity act, posting constantly, and nothing of substance but always pretty sounding. Id rather have a drunken compulsive liar, or a high strung anime geek than some pathetic spam thing that takes up....well, any effort given in reading its spam. Yeah. :)

Sexy Celebrity

11-11-14, 11:49 PM

Who was a drunken compulsive liar?

rauldc14

11-11-14, 11:49 PM

Nah. I thought Juno was a pretty nice person.

Iroquois

11-11-14, 11:50 PM

Yeah, I've generally been pretty drama-free unless of course it was getting into arguments with some of the more ridiculous individuals that plagued the site during my peak years (which were what, '06-'11?)

Sexy Celebrity

11-11-14, 11:52 PM

It's nice to be drama free around here. It's relaxing and keeps you stress free. I've been very lucky to be without any drama around here for almost 13 years.

Godoggo

11-11-14, 11:54 PM

This thread is so Sexy Celebrity circa <insert year>.

Guapo, don't be a putz. You should stay. Don't listen to these Philistines.

I think he should stay too. In the end the things that are bothering him really aren't that substantial if he were to stand back and gain some perspective.

By the way, Guap, if you reading this Revolutionary Girl Utena didn't tank. At least not in my eyes. At least three of us liked it and I even said it made me want to watch the series and maybe read the manga. Sometimes you just got to look on the brighter side of things, you know? Be happy that a couple of people really dug something that you really care about instead of dwelling on all those that didn't.

TheUsualSuspect

11-12-14, 12:05 AM

R.P. McMurphy

11-12-14, 12:06 AM

I give Guap an A for effort. I made an offhanded comment in the Top 100 Television Shows thread equating watching a lot of anime with being a juggalo and I promptly received a very long and extensively detailed PM detailing the finer points of anime as a higher art form and legitimate artistic medium. It was polite and well written. However, I have run across many of his not-so-nice posts attacking other members opinions and would see a lengthly block of text and just sigh, shake my head and cruise right past it.

Iroquois

11-12-14, 12:08 AM

Care to be more frequent around here?

Sure, why not.

rauldc14

11-12-14, 12:08 AM

Because of Guap, I got to watch two of my bottom ten films of all time. Thanks Guap!

Miss Vicky

11-12-14, 12:10 AM

Huh, that's not bad for someone who's been really on-and-off for the last two or three years, I guess. A little surprised by some of the people that managed to outrank me (Psychic Isaac? Martian Leader? Juno MacGuff?)

Everybody who got any votes at all made that list, Iro. I'm pretty sure I voted for you and that I was the only one that did. Not to make you feel worse, but there it is.

Awwww...Juno. I ripped her so bad and everyone here *cough* MissVicky *cough* was giving me crap for it.

I don't remember that at all. :laugh:

Sexy Celebrity

11-12-14, 12:10 AM

I don't like all the attention this thread is taking away from me. I'm going to leave again. I'm going to make my own "I'm leaving" thread momentarily.

Iroquois

11-12-14, 12:13 AM

Because of Guap, I got to watch two of my bottom ten films of all time. Thanks Guap!

Which ones were they?

Everybody who got any votes at all made that list, Iro. I'm pretty sure I voted for you and that I was the only one that did. Not to make you feel worse, but there it is.

Ah, well, that does make sense. Thanks for voting anyway, though! :highfive:

I don't like all the attention this thread is taking away from me. I'm going to leave again. I'm going to make my own "I'm leaving" thread momentarily.

Please.

rauldc14

11-12-14, 12:13 AM

I almost forgot about that countdown. I thought it was funny for whatever reason.

rauldc14

11-12-14, 12:13 AM

Iro, it was PMMM and Utena.

Miss Vicky

11-12-14, 12:16 AM

I almost forgot about that countdown. I thought it was funny for whatever reason.

I haven't forgotten the countdown where you forgot to vote for me.... :p

rauldc14

11-12-14, 12:27 AM

I haven't forgotten the countdown where you forgot to vote for me.... :p

Yeah that was dumb because u should have been top 5

Miss Vicky

11-12-14, 12:30 AM

Yeah that was dumb because u should have been top 5

Actually looking at the thread, you forgot me twice. You made a list and submitted it and then said you forgot some people so Sexy let you resubmit your list and you still forgot me! :laugh: But I'm not bitter or anything.

We should do another one next year, only actually give people more than a few hours to come up with their lists.

Sexy Celebrity

11-12-14, 12:34 AM

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=18351&stc=1&d=1415766192

earlsmoviepicks

11-12-14, 08:35 AM

I don't like all the attention this thread is taking away from me. I'm going to leave again. I'm going to make my own "I'm leaving" thread momentarily.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy forum :D

Citizen Rules

11-13-14, 02:39 PM

There's a lesson to be learned from Guaporense. Had he espoused his love for Japanese Anime with good natured enthusiasm he might have won more converts to his art form of choice. Instead he choose to lash out and trash other people's forms of cinema, especially mainstream movies...When someone needs to trash what other people love, it only makes that person look insecure.

Guap isn't the only person who spends way too much time telling us fans of Hollywood films that they are stupid, arrogant American movies. We all have the right to like what we want. And if that threatens somebody, then the problem lays within them.

Sedai

11-13-14, 03:13 PM

Hey SC - why don't you make like a tree, and leave...

Just trying to do my part to help!

seanc

11-13-14, 03:21 PM

Hey SC - why don't you make like a tree, and leave...

Just trying to do my part to help!

This made me smile bacause I thought of BTTF. "Why don't you make like a tree, and get out of here." Love Biff.

Sexy Celebrity

11-13-14, 04:07 PM

Hey SC - why don't you make like a tree, and leave...

Well, why don't you, dear? Go with Guap.

Sedai

11-13-14, 04:14 PM

Well, why don't you, dear? Go with Guap.

No man...I mean LEAVE...you know..with LEAVES...

Sexy Celebrity

11-13-14, 04:16 PM

No man...I mean LEAVE...you know..with LEAVES...

That's what I'm doing.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=18351&stc=1&d=1415766192

cricket

11-13-14, 04:50 PM

I reached out to Guapo and he sent me this pm back-

"I'm just frustrated cuz since I moved to the States I can't get no damn p***y"

I kind of figured it was something like that.

JayDee

11-13-14, 05:24 PM

To be honest it's probably best that Guap has left when he has, before the animation countdown

Given how unstable he appears to be (and coming from me that's saying something!) I dread to think what would have happened had something like Stuart Little 3 finished above one of his beloved anime films. I imagine us turning on the news and hearing about a Brazilian madman on a killing spree.

Godoggo

11-13-14, 08:35 PM

I reached out to Guapo and he sent me this pm back-

"I'm just frustrated cuz since I moved to the States I can't get no damn p***y"

I kind of figured it was something like that.

:rolleyes: That actually doesn't seen like Guap to me. Maybe I was giving him too much credit.

donniedarko

11-13-14, 08:36 PM

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

Cobpyth

11-13-14, 08:39 PM

:rolleyes: That actually doesn't seen like Guap to me. Maybe I was giving him too much credit.

You made the classic Guap spelling mistake. :p

Godoggo

11-13-14, 08:41 PM

You made the classic Guap spelling mistake. :p

Ha! He's possessing me! Didn't I do it backwards though? If I did it's because I'm an American and as such have been influenced by the American way of doing things backwards.

Godoggo

11-13-14, 08:44 PM

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

It probably was actually, I've never seem ;) Guap use word cuz in any pms he ever sent to me or use grammar that badly.

Mr Minio

11-11-17, 04:04 PM

Looks like Velvet is trying to learn the history of MoFo. LEGENDARY THREAD!!!

Velvet

11-11-17, 04:05 PM

i already knew this before. Great thread!

Guaporense

11-11-17, 05:35 PM

I feel rather embarassed by what I did back then.

Well, interestingly I have not left the forum yet while most people who have commented here have already left. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I think that I understand now why I felt that way back then and why I acted in that way as well. One of the reasons I think was mainly cultural misunderstanding in my part regarding Anglo Saxons and the other was I think a reaction to the general stereotyping of Japanese visual culture that is prevalent in the West.

Of course, it's worthless to argue about the things I used to argue about: I understand that I shouldn't try to change people's perceptions, which are inherent to them but just finding the right people to interact with.

cricket

11-11-17, 05:38 PM

I'll leave the forum

When I am dead!

Joel

11-11-17, 05:48 PM

Dani8

11-11-17, 06:27 PM

I'll leave the forum

When I am dead!

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!

needing more fluffball pics.

See? I take everything back to movies:cool:

Guaporense

11-13-17, 09:51 PM

When someone needs to trash what other people love, it only makes that person look insecure.

I trashed a lot of popular manga and anime titles as well in forums about those things as well as among friends and family, I also trashed non-Hollywood live action movies even here as well. I guess that you might have gotten the impression that I was focusing on trashing Hollywood movies but that was never the case, I just criticized some Hollywood movies which is expected given it's a site about criticizing (mostly) Hollywood movies. Most of them are Hollywood movies because most movies talked about in this forum are Hollywood movies because this is an American forum and movies to most Americans means Hollywood movies.

I don't trash the anime that people here love and I don't like here because I never saw anime titles that people here love and I actually disliked here. Thing is that the few anime titles that people here talked about are the absolutely most popular and accessible masterpieces like Miyazaki's movies which are universally loved. If the only Hollywood movies people here talked about were movies like The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Taxi Driver, 2001, Star Wars, Blade Runner, etc, then I wouldn't trash any of them either.

Anyway, I was indeed insecure back them. I felt like something was wrong with me from being so affected by fictional narratives characterized by very stylized art. The reason is that Western culture is prejudiced against Japanese visual culture. Specially the elements of Japanese visual culture that are very non-Western. And nothing is less Western than "brutal moe" stuff like Madoka. The reason is that Western culture places primary value on reproduction of physical realism in art. While the highly stylized look of Japanese visual culture places no value at all in reproducing physical reality. Hence, my Western cultural background was telling my subconscious that such way of expression is inferior. Since I was emotionally affected by it do a very high degree I felt like something was wrong with me. I though in my subconscious without really understanding it: "how can I be so affected by this supposedly inferior means of expression?", "is something wrong with me?"

I understand where this feeling came from and now I think now that heavily stylized images are potentially more effective than realistic images in generating emotional responses for the human mind. It makes sense since you are not constraining yourself to reproducing physical reality but making something that is better at conveying emotions than it. Hence, heavy stylization is natural and it's the West's obsession with physical reality that needs to be explained.

Since I understand now where these feelings of insecurity came from: essentially from my brainwash by the basic Western conceptions of art, which Japan has shown that are highly restrictive, and so I don't feel the insecurity anymore.

Also, I also understand now why I had the desire to make people watch some anime films in the previous HoFs as a way of making myself feel better about my feelings if non-Anime fans could also reproduce these feelings (I knew lots of anime fans that liked the same titles but I though their impressions didn't count because they were not "normal" :rolleyes:). I also though live action movie fans, being supposedly accustomed to greater diversity in movies than the general population, would be more open minded to different senses of aesthetics, but I was wrong. In some ways experienced watchers of certain genres of movies tends to dig in deeper in those genres and be less open minded about different stuff from what they regularly watch. Anyway, I don't feel this desire anymore because I am not insecure anymore as I finally understand that there is nothing wrong in not being a slave of one's cultural background.

And if other people cannot enjoy the stuff I can enjoy that makes them worse off and not me.

Guap isn't the only person who spends way too much time telling us fans of Hollywood films that they are stupid, arrogant American movies. We all have the right to like what we want. And if that threatens somebody, then the problem lays within them.It is indeed a problem that English speaking people have that they are scared of consuming non-English speaking culture, they feel intimidated but it. But by restricting themselves to the cultural output of only a small fraction of the world's population they only make themselves worse-off as a result.

I certainly would be much worse off if I only knew Hollywood movies and English language TV, since these are only about 1/3 of my favorite media products (although, that;s still a higher proportion than most Brazilians). Well, in the end it's their loss not mine. :D

I think that some English speaking people feel the need to attack Hollywood/US media because the fact that almost everybody who is English speaking only talks about and watches Hollywood's stuff and they ignore everything else. Naturally one feels the need to "correct" that. Although many times the way people articulate their feelings backfire as the people who restrict their media consumption many times feel insulted by these "social justice movie warriors."

Joel

11-13-17, 09:59 PM

I dont think I remember seeing so many generalized insults towards Americans in one post under a superficial guise of reverse psychology.

Guap, you know nothing of the west, only what you convince yourself of.

Guaporense

11-13-17, 10:03 PM

You though that was insulting? :eek: And then you come and attack me personally for no reason? I am just explaining how I came to understand my own feelings. Why do you feel insulted and feel the need to attack my person as I open up my heart?

You cannot empathize with someone who has a different perspective than yours? Your reaction is rather absurd, why should you feel insulted by my post? One thing that I have learned here is that Hollywood fans can be very easily insulted.

Why is that? I think it's because Hollywood fans feel so intimidated by non-English speaking culture that they feel their entire nation is insulted when one says "it's not my loss from restricting yourself to only English speaking culture".

By the way, the West is not only the US (or UK and Canada). I am as much as a westerner as anyone can be. Since my cultural background is fully Jewish-Christian, being a speaker of a romance language and raised in an family of fresh off the boat Europeans. There are about 1.5 billion people in the world that can be regarded as Westerners.

And nearly all the 7 billion people in the world are heavily influenced by Western culture. Essentially, the whole world is now Western to a high degree. Even Japan is highly Westernized to a degree that Western culture is more mainstream in Japan than actual Japanese culture.

Powdered Water

11-14-17, 12:00 AM

Whoever repped Joel's post is a d*ck. That was an insult. See the difference?

Guaporense

11-14-17, 12:54 AM

I guess are the millenials:

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/millennials-created-generation-snowflake

Mr Minio

11-14-17, 01:34 AM

That feel when you wake up in the morning and see two long Guap tirades you know it's gonna be a good day...

Yoda

11-14-17, 11:47 AM

You though that was insulting? :eek: And then you come and attack me personally for no reason?
Let's break this question down:

1) "You thought that was insulting?" Yes, you engaged in condescending generalizations about a large group of people. All people find condescending generalizations about the groups they belong to insulting. Anyone who does not understand this does not understand basic human interaction, or else severely lacks empathy.

2) "Attack me personally." In what way was his post a personal attack? He said you posted many generalizations (true), and he claimed that you did not actually know much about the West. Where is the insult? He makes a claim you may not like, or agree with, but that's not a "personal attack," and if it were, it would be logically inescapable that many of your sentiments would qualify, as well.

3) "for no reason" See point #1.

Your reaction is rather absurd, why should you feel insulted by my post? One thing that I have learned here is that Hollywood fans can be very easily insulted.

Why is that? I think it's because Hollywood fans feel so intimidated by non-English speaking culture
This is you answering your own question: you asked why he should feel insulted, then said people like him are easy to insult because they feel intimidated.

We've been through this before, by the way. On several occasions I've bothered to sit down and point out the obvious contradictions in these cultural sermons, but each time you've bailed on the discussion shortly afterwards (if not immediately). Previous examples here (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1743036#post1743036) and here (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1619495#post1619495) (there are more).

I don't much care how you personally rationalize the drama you keep finding yourself in (though note well: "I was stupid for expecting more of you people" is not actually an apology or admission, even though it's trying to look like one), but if you insist on projecting those rationalizations outwards, expect them to be questioned. You should stop offering these psychologically comforting diagnoses if you're just going to ignore follow-up arguments, wait awhile, and then repeat them without having ever reconciled (or even addressed!) the contradictions pointed out the time before.

Joel

11-14-17, 12:25 PM

You cannot empathize with someone who has a different perspective than yours?

lol...take care.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 04:58 PM

Let's break this question down:

1) "You thought that was insulting?" Yes, you engaged in condescending generalizations about a large group of people. All people find condescending generalizations about the groups they belong to insulting. Anyone who does not understand this does not understand basic human interaction, or else severely lacks empathy.

You are insulting me already.:eek:

And yes, people make generalizations about large groups of people. That's called social sciences and the humanities. :sick: You don't like it? Well, too bad for you. However, thinking about cultural issues is an important field and hence should not be censored because it is insulting.

You should grow up and learn to be civilized and accept that some people might have a different perspective about things than you do and be able to accept that without attacking them on a personal level.

For example, if a person says say "Americans restrict their cultural consumption to only English speaking culture", that is not an insult. You are a snowflake if you feel personally offended by that statement just because you have citizenship in this country and then you attack the person saying it. Instead you should understand what is the meaning of that statement, an statement that is not remotely offensive and is actually true.

I personally think that nobody should feel insulted by statements regarding culture. Although I was guilty of that before now I understand I was wrong.

2) "Attack me personally." In what way was his post a personal attack? He said you posted many generalizations (true), and he claimed that you did not actually know much about the West. Where is the insult? He makes a claim you may not like, or agree with, but that's not a "personal attack," and if it were, it would be logically inescapable that many of your sentiments would qualify, as well.Are you autistic? Because you must be to not understand that's an attack like you are attacking me right now. I guess you do not perceive that.

3) "for no reason" See point #1.
This is you answering your own question: you asked why he should feel insulted, then said people like him are easy to insult because they feel intimidated.
We've been through this before, by the way. On several occasions I've bothered to sit down and point out the obvious contradictions in these cultural sermons, but each time you've bailed on the discussion shortly afterwards (if not immediately). Previous examples here (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1743036#post1743036) and here (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1619495#post1619495) (there are more).

These are very different cases, even assuming your argument is correct (I was not convinced and I stopped talking to you for quite obvious reasons: there was no point in continuing those fights, since they are not discussions and you were not being rational).

Case1) If you cannot accept that if someone thinks every German soldier in WW2 was Nazi and cannot empathize with Germans soldiers then I argued someone who says that is a bigot. Of course, you feel insulted by being called a bigot and therefore you deny it. Hence, there is no point in further argument.

Case2) You think it's ok for people to just claim that all modern Japanese visual culture is garbage. It's not prejudice according to you because Japanese visual culture is all the same stuff with the same style. 😊 Your logic implies it's ok to say that all American people are the same and say they are all subhuman garbage since American English and culture has a typical style. And then you say right now that making any generalizations about a group of people is insulting. Contradicting yourself. :rolleyes:

What point is there is in arguing with you on these matters? You are just going to deny it add infinitum because you feel personally insulted and therefore you will always deny these facts I pointed out and you will never even tolerate the statement of these facts and will attack the person issuing the statements.

Also, you cannot perceive the difference between those cases and this one? :rolleyes: This is a completely unrelated case. I was just explaining two things:

1) why Citizen Rules had the impression I was biased against Hollywood while I have no such bias.

2) why I felt insecure about my experiences with Japanese visual culture.

You did not argue about these things you only insulted me.

It's already obvious that you are completely incapable of empathizing with my perspective on these kind of matters or any matters whatsoever. You feel insulted and so attack me viciously on a personal level on any subject that is related to anthropological matters.

You are just like those creationists that deny the sciences and want to burn scientists at the stake from questioning their belief that the earth is 6,000 years old.

I don't much care how you personally rationalize the drama you keep finding yourself inOf course. You cannot empathize with non-native English speaking people.

You just feel completely repelled by the notion that there are issues with Anglo Saxon and Western culture in general and you refuse to tolerate any form of manifestation of opinion on the matter, directly attacking the person issuing the opinion. Specially if such person is not Anglo Saxon (although I am Western).

(though note well: "I was stupid for expecting more of you people" is not actually an apology or admission, even though it's trying to look like one)Of course not. Apologize for what? For giving my opinions on a couple of mediocre movies?

I was stupid before because I wasn't understanding what was happening and I wasn't aware about the degree of relative awareness of the people involved in those events.

I was like a person trying to teach a dog to write. It was already stupid to try to do that. You notice that I learned now: I do not comment on movies people here love and I don't because I will be attacked while I ignore when people are being ignorant and xenophobic instead of trying to correct them. ;)

but if you insist on projecting those rationalizations outwards, expect them to be questioned.Because personal attacks are questioning now? :rolleyes:

There was no questioning here, only personal attacks. If you disagree you should state why you disagree and argue without insulting the person that you disagree with. Learn to be a grown up and not a sensitive millennial snowflake.

Dani8

11-14-17, 05:23 PM

Woah woah woaH whats going onhere? Guap, are you aware you're talking to the forum owner? Would you talk to someone who invited you into their home that way? Asking him if he's autistic? Really? I mean that was only one insult you flicked his way. What do youhopeto achievefrom this form of conversation? He's never rude to people from what Ive seen.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 05:27 PM

Dani8

11-14-17, 05:33 PM

He has been insulting me right now in this thread. Quid pro quo.

I dont have any issue with you the way you talk to me - youre always a gentleman. I cant see him insulting you, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean he might be and I just dont see it, but Ive seen you react this way with him before. All looks pretty above board to me.

Hey this is OT for a secons, is english your first lingo or are you guys taught engliwsh from a young age in brazil?

apologies for going OT but Ive always been curious.

PS bloody hell english is my first lingo and my typing has gone to hell!

Camo

11-14-17, 05:38 PM

Case2) You think it's ok to just claim that all modern Japanese visual culture is all garbage. It's not prejudice according to you because Japanese visual culture is all the same. :) Your logic implies it's ok to say that all American people are the same and say they are all subhuman garbage. And then you say that making any generalizations about a group of people is insulting. Of course, because Westerners cannot be prejudiced, someone who says that is automatically wrong.

Did Yoda actually say that in bold? Doesn't sound like him. If not that's an insane strawman Guap and i'm proud of you.

DocHoliday

11-14-17, 05:40 PM

Damn, I wish I had joined this forum many years ago. Seems like I missed out on a helluva lot of fun. LOL.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 05:42 PM

I dont have any issue with you the way you talk to me - youre always a gentleman. I cant see him insulting you, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean he might be and I just dont see it, but Ive seen you react this way with him before. All looks pretty above board to me.

He has become progressively more hostile towards me through the years. And I find pretty obvious his post was very insulting. Take this sentence: "Anyone who does not understand this does not understand basic human interaction, or else severely lacks empathy.", therefore he is saying that I do not understand basic human interaction or that I severely lack empathy. So he just opens up his post with a direct insult on me.

Hey this is OT for a secons, is english your first lingo or are you guys taught engliwsh from a young age in brazil?

I learned English from playing videogames and watching The Simpsons and South Park besides taking a few courses when I was young. After I moved to the US my English improved a lot though (I moved to the US in 2013).

seanc

11-14-17, 05:42 PM

Damn, I wish I had joined this forum many years ago. Seems like I missed out on a helluva lot of fun. LOL.

You didn't miss anything. Rinse and repeat.

Dani8

11-14-17, 05:45 PM

I learned English from playing videogames and watching The Simpsons and South Park besides taking a few courses when I was young. After I moved to the US my English improved a lot though (I moved to the US in 2013).

Holy hell that's impressive. Your english is perfect.

OK maybe we should take this to shout at a later stage. :up:

Camo

11-14-17, 05:45 PM

You didn't miss anything. Rinse and repeat.

Yeah this argument was going on with Guap when i just joined the site nearly five years ago.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 05:52 PM

Holy hell that's impressive. Your english is perfect.

To learn a language you have to immerse yourself in it. I am trying to learn Japanese right now but I am finding it much harder than English.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 05:53 PM

You didn't miss anything. Rinse and repeat.

Hi Seanc-kun. :)

Sorry about calling you ignorant back in February 2014 (which started our long running hostile relationship). I was being stupid. ;)

Dani8

11-14-17, 06:02 PM

To learn a language you have to immerse yourself in it. I am trying to learn Japanese right now but I am finding it much harder than English.

Yeah I learnt japanese when I lived there but I havent used it here because the japanese expats want to speak english, much like Iranian expats, so I have forgotten it all unfortunately. OK, that'll do with ou lilhijack. Mofos dont like like it. Lets chat later. My doctor has jusst arrived. Bye for now.

Yoda

11-14-17, 06:14 PM

You are insulting me already.:eek:
Define "insult" for me then, please, since most of your response consists of saying that one thing is an insult and another is not, with no real explanation as to why.

And yes, people make generalizations about large groups of people. That's called social sciences and the humanities. :sick: You don't like it? Well, too bad for you.
Why is it "social sciences" when you generalize about one group, but a vicious personal attack when the generalization is about a group you belong to?

You should grow up and learn to be civilized and accept that some people might have a different perspective about things than you do and be able to accept that without attacking them on a personal level.
I'd like to know how you reconcile suggesting I "accept that some people might have a different perspective" with your tendency to dismiss differences in taste as being the result of bigotry.

Are you autistic?
In all seriousness, I've wondered this about you many times, but I thought it would be insensitive (and yes, insulting) to ask.

Because you must be to not understand that's an attack like you are attacking me right now. I guess you do not perceive that.
No, I understand that fine. Some of them are attacks. What you don't understand is that these attacks (such as they are) are not unreasonable or unprovoked: they're proportional responses to very condescending generalizations.

My argument is not that you are not attacked. My argument is that you have an incoherent, shifting standard of what constitutes an attack that allows you to think of yourself as a hapless victim, rather than a blatant instigator.

Case1) If you cannot accept that if someone thinks every German soldier in WW2 was Nazi and cannot empathize with Germans soldiers then I argued you are a bigot.
I challenged you, in that thread, to show me where I said this. You never did, because I didn't say it. I'm challenging you to produce a quote again now.

Case2) You think it's ok to just claim that all modern Japanese visual culture is all garbage.
Exact same response as above. Never said it, and I defy you to produce a quote where I do.

It's not prejudice according to you because Japanese visual culture is all the same stuff with the same style. :)
False. I said there were identifiable aesthetic tendencies. Nothing more or less. You misrepresented this in that thread, too: you even somehow misremembered a post where I urged more nuance as suggesting I wanted less!

You don't appear capable of forming salient arguments against what people are actually saying. It's almost as if you take how they make you feel, translate that feeling back into words, and then pretend that's what they said.

Of course, because Westerners cannot be prejudiced, someone who says that is automatically wrong.
False. Westerners can be prejudiced, and often are. What I've disputed are the cheap, reflexive attempts to use prejudice to explain differences in taste.

It's already obvious that you are completely incapable of empathizing with my perspective on these kind of matters or any matters whatsoever. You feel insulted and so attack me viciously on a personal level.
Of course. You cannot empathize with non-native English speaking people.
It's interesting that you're essentially parroting my usual contentions about you right back at me. I don't think you ever accused me of lacking empathy until I'd said it about you. Between this and the "everyone is insulting me and I'm not insulting them" stuff, this begins to feel very much like projection.

You just feel completely repelled by the notion that there are issues with Anglo Saxon and Western culture in general and you refuse to tolerate any form of manifestation of opinion on the matter, directly attacking the person issuing the opinion.
False. There are many issues with Western culture, and I have literally never suggested otherwise.

Try making an argument based on what I've actually said. Though I have to warn you, it will be much harder than the straw man genocide you've got going on right now.

Of course not. Apologize for what? For giving my opinions on a couple of mediocre movies?
I was like a person trying to teach a dog to write. It was already stupid to try to do that.
Read these two quotes again, please. You say you don't insult people, and say you have nothing to apologize for, yet almost immediately afterwards compare people to dogs. Do you really not see the contradiction here?

Learn to be a grown up and not a sensitive millennial snowflake.
That's a funny thing to hear from someone who just complained about being insulted four times in a single post (and countless times before that).

cat_sidhe

11-14-17, 06:20 PM

Yoda Strawman Genocide sounds like a band name. Can I have it?

Dirk120

11-14-17, 06:22 PM

The Mod in this forum is pretty cool, to be perfectly honest.

Yoda

11-14-17, 06:28 PM

Did Yoda actually say that in bold? Doesn't sound like him.
You're right, it doesn't. Didn't say anything of the sort.

If you care to read the exchange for yourself, here it is (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1619495#post1619495).

And note well that, in every one of these disputes, I'm always the one linking to posts, providing direct quotes, and asking for direct quotes, and he's always the one substituting all that for his own summaries and impressions of things. That's not by accident.

Yoda

11-14-17, 06:36 PM

And I find pretty obvious his post was very insulting. Take this sentence: "Anyone who does not understand this does not understand basic human interaction, or else severely lacks empathy.", therefore he is saying that I do not understand basic human interaction or that I severely lack empathy.
Nope. It's saying that's true if you do not understand the principle in question. But I believe you do understand it, or at least, are capable of understanding it.

So he just opens up his post with a direct insult on me.
The fact that you think of this as an insult makes my point. Follow the logic here: in the quote above, I don't literally saying "this is about Guap," right? I've only said something critical of a non-specific group of people, but you (reasonably) surmise that I'm saying you are part of that group, and so you take the statement as being about you, even though you are not named.

Now, apply that same thinking to your statements about Westerners: you didn't say, for example, "Joel is X and Y." But you do say "[GROUP THAT JOEL BELONGS TO] is X and Y." You hide behind the fact that this is a general statement, and not literally aimed at an individual, but this is a meaningless distinction because everyone knows you're referring to many of the people here. And I already know you understand and agree with this interpretation, because you just employed the same logic above.

MonnoM

11-14-17, 06:40 PM

cricket

11-14-17, 06:44 PM

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Swan

11-14-17, 06:52 PM

Stop the madness.

@Guaporense (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=74481) just chillax. You're internationally loved.

Come here, you big goofball...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbfs075QVB1qea85b.gif

I'm with you MonnoM. I like Guap a lot, I think he's a really interesting person with unique perspective, so it bums me out when he and the forum are combative.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 08:13 PM

I'm with you MonnoM. I like Guap a lot, I think he's a really interesting person with unique perspective, so it bums me out when he and the forum are combative.

You talk about "the forum" as if it is like a hive-mind. :rolleyes: However, the "forum" does not really exist. If I have a squabble is usually with one or two people (like this case).

Anyway, I have learned that talking about Western culture here can be regarded as very insulting. I guess that a lot of people are insulted very easily if one who is perceived as a foreigner talks about his perspective on their ethnic group.

I remember that a few months ago when I was talking in another forum, specialized in manga/animation that I explained my theory of why comics and animation only developed in Japan an did not develop in any Western country. Since my theory argued that it was because Western culture cannot accept stylization since it's obsessed with realism they cannot fully develop artistic mediums that are based on stylization. They felt insulted since they are Westerners as well (it was an English speaking forum like this one and if you know how to speak English you are usually a Westerner).

I guess their reaction was because they like to think that their culture does not constrain their individual judgment and capacity for artistic expression in any way and pointing out the fact that is actually does is taken as an insult. Well, cultural environments exist and they constrain and condition individuals. I have noticed most English speaking people deny it even though it is something that is quite obvious.

Instead they tried to explain around this fact by pointing out that maybe if the US government didn't threaten to regulate comics in the 50's the mediums of comics and animation would also have developed like they did in Japan. However this argument fails to take into account that in all of the Western countries which number at about 80, have failed to develop comics and animation into sophisticated artistic mediums. While in non-Western industrialized countries like Japan, Taiwan, Korea and China, these fields are flourishing (although the new industrialized countries their degree of development is still much lower than in Japan). Clearly some deeper cultural elements are at work here.

Anyway, I have the impression that scholars and other people in the "higher up" levels of society are harder to insult with anthropological facts. I guess that people who perceive that they have a lower position in their ethnic group tend to be more easily insulted when one criticizes their ethnic group because their group identity becomes more relevant for their individual identity.

Some people I have insulted through the most benign comments such as "I think that there are more UK people than US people in webforums in proportion to their population because it rains more in the UK so they spend more time at home". ;)

@Yoda (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=1), you should learn when to stop replying to people's posts, for instance, you should have already perceived that nothing good would come from your first post in this thread. Hence there was no reason for you to post that. (although I was already expecting you to post exactly that before you did, your personality is rather deterministic).

Many times your addiction to "win an internet debate" becomes ludicrous. Most times you debate on the internet you just don't actually try to understand what the other people are saying and you just act as if it were a "fight" and try to "win" it. That's really ludicrous.

You have to just accept the fact that different people have a different opinion than you do and other people also have different sensibilities than you do.

Also, could I ask you to make it so that the forum could have the option to put you on the ignore list? Why I cannot put you on it but everybody else?

Yoda

11-14-17, 08:20 PM

Yoda, you should learn when to stop replying to people's posts, for instance, you should have already perceived that nothing good would come from your first post in this thread. Hence there was no reason for you to post that. (although I was already expecting you to post exactly that before you did, your personality is rather deterministic)
Sure there was: you've repeatedly lied about what I've said in other discussions. Which is why I challenged you to quote me saying those things. Which you have failed to do, again. Which is exactly what I was expecting.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 08:22 PM

I expected nothing less from you right now. Why do you feel this visceral need to reply/reply/reply/reply, argue/argue/argue/argue? I am not arguing with you because I know it is futile. You are unable to understand that and you are unable to perceive your own addition in internet "debating".

Well it was my mistake to feed your trolling here.

Yoda

11-14-17, 08:25 PM

Many times your addiction to "win an internet debate" becomes ludicrous. Most times you debate on the internet you just don't actually try to understand what the other people are saying and you just act as if it were a "fight" and try to "win" it. That's really ludicrous.
Again, you're basically just taking what many other people have observed about you and volleying it back. Dismissing someone's opinion based on their ethnicity is a prime example of not "actually [trying] to understand what the other people are saying." So this is fine advice. Why don't you take it?

Also, could I ask you to make it so that the forum could have the option to put you on the ignore list? Why I cannot put you on it but everybody else?
Because moderators often have to issue warnings or inquire about things, and we need to know that those messages are being received.

Yoda

11-14-17, 08:29 PM

I expected nothing less from you right now.
Yes, I'm very impressed by your ability to predict that, when you repeatedly lie about and insult someone, they'll probably respond.

Why do you feel this visceral need to reply/reply/reply/reply, argue/argue/argue/argue?
See above.

I am not arguing with you
Sure you are. You're just not answering me.

Guaporense

11-14-17, 08:38 PM

Because moderators often have to issue warnings or inquire about things, and we need to know that those messages are being received.

Oh that makes sense. But then you should be more professional given your status in this board.

Sure you are. You're just not answering me.

Your obsession with semantics is amusing.

DocHoliday

11-14-17, 08:56 PM

Sorry to interject here, but I noticed your "you should be more professional" comment and had to jump in - although I'm still a rookie on this board, I'm a long time veteran of several other message boards, and I can already tell you this... Yoda seems like one of the most professional, fair-minded forum owners I've ever seen.

Many forum owners won't even entertain you in debate - they'll simply curse you out, pull rank, and ban you, because, well... they can.

Yoda

11-14-17, 09:08 PM

Oh that makes sense. But then you should be more professional given your status in this board.
And what should the "professional" response be to someone who's lying about you, insulting you, and has spent years making condescending generalizations about the majority of the forum's users?

Before you answer, you should know that I saw all those awful things you said a couple of posts ago, before quickly editing them out. So I'd also like to humbly submit that unleashing a string of insults and then immediately thinking better of it is a pretty good sign that it's you who's been responding compulsively here.

Your obsession with semantics is amusing.
What I find amusing is the way you try to make ordinary responses sound extreme. For example, asking why I have a "visceral need" to reply to falsehoods and character attacks when any reasonable person would feel compelled to. Or, because I like a good turn of phrase, I have an "obsession with semantics."

Guaporense

11-14-17, 09:27 PM

And what should the "professional" response be to someone who's lying about you, insulting you, and has spent years making condescending generalizations about the majority of the forum's users?

You should not interact. You feel insulted by my opinions to the point of thinking I am insulting the majority of the forum's users? That's bad for you. But you are not going to improve anything by trying to suppress my views. And I insult the majority of the forum? Make me laugh, I actually notice people here are hypersensitive snowflakes so I feel like I am walking on a minefield: I say anything and I get trashed. I was very careful on composing my message to not insult anyone but I you still manage to feel insulted.

You should resist your visceral desires to argue ad infinitum with users because you have a responsibility being a moderator. That is since I cannot block you like I can block other people I cannot just ignore you.

Hence we should learn to ignore each other. So far I have been fairly consistent in ignoring you but you have been fairly incompetent in ignoring me.

Before you answer, you should know that I saw all those awful things you said a couple of posts ago, before quickly editing them out.Yes. So for the record: you are an extremely arrogant, bigoted, intolerant, autistic, ethnocentric and authoritarian person. Yes, that is the fact: you are garbage.

What I find amusing is the way you try to make ordinary responses sound extreme.It's because you lack empathy since you are autistic so you do not understand the cause of other people's reactions to your own's.

DocHoliday

11-14-17, 09:36 PM

You believe many posters here are hypersensitive, yet you consistently feel the need to block/ignore other posters?

https://i2.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Mark-Wahlberg-Shock-and-Confused-Look.gif?ssl=1

Guaporense

11-14-17, 09:36 PM

Yoda

11-14-17, 09:40 PM

The idea that I should let people lie about what I've said, and ignore attacks on my character, is absurd on its face. These are not elective issues. My silence on them would not convey neutrality, but assent.

You feel insulted by my opinions? That's bad for you. But you are not going to improve anything by trying to suppress my views.
It is noteworthy that you think challenging you to actually quote me saying what you claim I've said constitutes "suppression." I suppose pointing out contradictions is censorship, then?

It's because you lack empathy since you are autistic so you do not understand the cause of other people's reactions to your own.
Funny, I don't see to have this issue with the other people here. You, on the other hand, have had some version of this dispute with at least half a dozen members.

cricket

11-14-17, 09:41 PM

https://i.imgflip.com/b94jn.jpg

Yoda

11-14-17, 09:41 PM

Yoda pretends to be nice but he is a deeply evil person.
There it is, people. Deeply evil.

This is so manifestly silly and over-the-top that I don't even need to argue with it. Just quoting it, so as many people see it as possible, is the best counter-argument possible.

Miss Vicky

11-14-17, 09:45 PM

It's because you lack empathy since you are autistic so you do not understand the cause of other people's reactions to your own's.

Ahem.

I am a bit of an "autistic" person ...

I am almost autistic so I don't have great sensibility to the feelings of others and so I fail to take that into account when I write my posts.

Calm down.

I wasn't trying to attack you, I was only being honest about my perception of your actions in this internet forum. I see that you have taken this personally but I wasn't taking it personally just being myself (a little autistic guy who analyses things objectively without caring about the emotions of others).

DocHoliday

11-14-17, 09:46 PM

Yes I remember one forum I was banned after 8 years because I pissed off a moderator. But I think that is better. Yoda pretends to be nice but he is a deeply evil person.

1. I have no clue what transpired on that forum, but I'm guessing you probably took things too far if you were banned after 8 damn years! On message boards, it's usually newbies that get banned for mild infractions. For an 8 year vet to get banned, it speaks volumes....

2. Deeply evil? Bro, he's a forum owner, he's not Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men.... don't you think describing him as "deeply evil" might be a TAD bit dramatic?

Dani8

11-15-17, 03:06 AM

Yes I remember one forum I was banned after 8 years because I pissed off a moderator. But I think that is better. Yoda pretends to be nice but he is a deeply evil person.

Oh guapo, what on earth is it I just read, including Ms Vicky's quotes of previous posts from you.

Deeply evil? Oh c'mon now,man. I have had a lot of chats with Yoda, and he always strikes me as incredibly kind, smart,totally transparent, and most importantly, incredibly fair, even when he's smacking me on the arse for saying something which breaches forum rules. Come on matey. How can you be so polite to me yet so rude to Yoda. You know his mum is on here, right? And she's so sweet, right? Now if Yoda was deeply evil dontcha think she'd havemsomething to say about that? I think you're seeing things in his posts that simply are not there. With the greatest of respect because I do enjoy my chats with you, you have to get a grip. Dont you see what it says that you were banned from a forum for 8 years? 8.Years. Maybe you should have a good look at that with your objectivity glasses in place. I've only been here about 8 months so I dont know if you've ever been given a mofo holiday but for some reason I have the thought in my goldfish brain he hasnt even given you time out in the ccorner.

Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked
so evil as to be beyond redemption.

That's from the oxford dict

Seriously, guapo... I'm not typing out the rest of the definitions because that's enough. Can you really read that and say That's You, Yoda? Really looking into your heart of hearts you want to continue this line of reasoning ? I think you're being really unfair,and cruelly so. and dont give me this stuff you are almost autistic. The autism page I just read says nothing aboutn autism being characterised by lack of empathy that you say you have. Thats a charateristic of anti ssocial personality. So are you saying you're a psychopath or sociopath because thats wgat /apd was formerly known as.

Guaporense

11-15-17, 03:49 AM

1. I have no clue what transpired on that forum, but I'm guessing you probably took things too far if you were banned after 8 damn years! On message boards, it's usually newbies that get banned for mild infractions. For an 8 year vet to get banned, it speaks volumes...

Oh. I decided to say to another user that he was "not qualified to talk about this subject". The mods took that chance to ban me. Everybody there hated my guts for several years (I was hated there since late 2009 or so until I was banned around mid 2017) but they couldn't ban me because I never violated any rules until that time. :D :D Although I never got into any serious fights there because that forum was a serious forum where minor disrespects resulted into permanent bans. The hostility was mostly convenveyed carefully through the way they communicated and acted.

Anyway. I took note now and I understand why I made people feel so insulted. I guess that I should be even MORE careful with my language in the future as to not melt any snowflake. :D

Maybe I guess that I am a psychopath that likes to make people angry. My father was worse he used to say horrible things just to make his second wife angry and he laughed maniacally after she screamed at him. I guess I inherited some of these genes. At least in the sense that I didn't care whether that forum hated my guts for years as long as it was not very explicit.

Camo

11-15-17, 04:08 AM

Ahem.

It amazes me how often Guap trips himself up like this, it's seriously an artform. And it's usually MV who points it out :laugh:

gandalf26

11-15-17, 04:24 AM

Deeply evil? What about just evil?

Yam12

11-15-17, 04:35 AM

So what actually happened here because it seemed that this thread was doing fine until Guap decided to ressurect a 3-year old discussion for whatever reason

Dani8

11-15-17, 05:45 AM

(I was hated there since late 2009 or so until I was banned around mid 2017) but they couldn't ban me because I never violated any rules until that time..

IHate to point this out and I swear I',m not being a smart aese but if you did not get banned until mid 2017 you havebt been banned for 8 yeats guapo.

edit. I aam a drogue addled idiot.you sAId you were banned after 8 years. Not banned for 8 years. My apologies for not payinng attention.

Guaporense

11-15-17, 09:34 AM

So what actually happened here because it seemed that this thread was doing fine until Guap decided to ressurect a 3-year old discussion for whatever reason

I didn't resurrect it Velvet did. However I posted this:

I trashed a lot of popular manga and anime titles as well in forums about those things as well as among friends and family, I also trashed non-Hollywood live action movies even here as well. I guess that you might have gotten the impression that I was focusing on trashing Hollywood movies but that was never the case, I just criticized some Hollywood movies which is expected given it's a site about criticizing (mostly) Hollywood movies. Most of them are Hollywood movies because most movies talked about in this forum are Hollywood movies because this is an American forum and movies to most Americans means Hollywood movies.

I don't trash the anime that people here love and I don't like here because I never saw anime titles that people here love and I actually disliked here. Thing is that the few anime titles that people here talked about are the absolutely most popular and accessible masterpieces like Miyazaki's movies which are universally loved. If the only Hollywood movies people here talked about were movies like The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Taxi Driver, 2001, Star Wars, Blade Runner, etc, then I wouldn't trash any of them either.

Anyway, I was indeed insecure back them. I felt like something was wrong with me from being so affected by fictional narratives characterized by very stylized art. The reason is that Western culture is prejudiced against Japanese visual culture. Specially the elements of Japanese visual culture that are very non-Western. And nothing is less Western than "brutal moe" stuff like Madoka. The reason is that Western culture places primary value on reproduction of physical realism in art. While the highly stylized look of Japanese visual culture places no value at all in reproducing physical reality. Hence, my Western cultural background was telling my subconscious that such way of expression is inferior. Since I was emotionally affected by it do a very high degree I felt like something was wrong with me. I though in my subconscious without really understanding it: "how can I be so affected by this supposedly inferior means of expression?", "is something wrong with me?"

I understand where this feeling came from and now I think now that heavily stylized images are potentially more effective than realistic images in generating emotional responses for the human mind. It makes sense since you are not constraining yourself to reproducing physical reality but making something that is better at conveying emotions than it. Hence, heavy stylization is natural and it's the West's obsession with physical reality that needs to be explained.

Since I understand now where these feelings of insecurity came from: essentially from my brainwash by the basic Western conceptions of art, which Japan has shown that are highly restrictive, and so I don't feel the insecurity anymore.

Also, I also understand now why I had the desire to make people watch some anime films in the previous HoFs as a way of making myself feel better about my feelings if non-Anime fans could also reproduce these feelings (I knew lots of anime fans that liked the same titles but I though their impressions didn't count because they were not "normal" :rolleyes:). I also though live action movie fans, being supposedly accustomed to greater diversity in movies than the general population, would be more open minded to different senses of aesthetics, but I was wrong. In some ways experienced watchers of certain genres of movies tends to dig in deeper in those genres and be less open minded about different stuff from what they regularly watch. Anyway, I don't feel this desire anymore because I am not insecure anymore as I finally understand that there is nothing wrong in not being a slave of one's cultural background.

And if other people cannot enjoy the stuff I can enjoy that makes them worse off and not me.

It is indeed a problem that English speaking people have that they are scared of consuming non-English speaking culture, they feel intimidated but it. But by restricting themselves to the cultural output of only a small fraction of the world's population they only make themselves worse-off as a result.

I certainly would be much worse off if I only knew Hollywood movies and English language TV, since these are only about 1/3 of my favorite media products (although, that;s still a higher proportion than most Brazilians). Well, in the end it's their loss not mine. :D

I think that some English speaking people feel the need to attack Hollywood/US media because the fact that almost everybody who is English speaking only talks about and watches Hollywood's stuff and they ignore everything else. Naturally one feels the need to "correct" that. Although many times the way people articulate their feelings backfire as the people who restrict their media consumption many times feel insulted by these "social justice movie warriors."

Some users felt deeply offended by it, including Yoda who I think was the most offended of all. Perhaps the cultural differences between me and the Americans are too great to allow for peaceful honest communication. It is just impossible for some people to be able to tolerate a different perspective from their ethnocentric point of view.

Yoda

11-15-17, 09:40 AM

Yeah, I never said I was deeply offended by it. Because I wasn't.

You really need to learn to actually read, understand, and reply to what people say, as opposed to conveniently misremembering and rephrasing everything to try to make your responses seem more reasonable. And each time I ask you to quote me to prove it, and you can't. Because it's false.

cricket

11-15-17, 09:50 AM

matt72582

11-15-17, 09:53 AM

Artistic

Guaporense

11-15-17, 10:00 AM

Yea I was just going to say that it seems like you are constantly making things up Guap. Although you often make offensive statements, I really don't think you anger anybody. You act like you know more than others yet make ridiculous statements, and that can be annoying. I think people are just taken aback by how ridiculous you come off with some of these things. Think about it; you called Yoda trash and nobody even cares. If anybody else did that they'd have a problem with most people here. Nobody takes what you say seriously and it often ends up a pity party.

I like your thick skinned style: "I never feel insulted everything you say is just ludicrous"

Anyway if nobody took what I said seriously why they feel so insulted that they attacked me? They would just ignore it. But that is not the case. I guess the problem is that they take it too seriously and personalize everything.

They are not like you in that you don't take anything seriously.

DocHoliday

11-15-17, 10:09 AM

Oh. I decided to say to another user that he was "not qualified to talk about this subject". The mods took that chance to ban me. Everybody there hated my guts for several years (I was hated there since late 2009 or so until I was banned around mid 2017) but they couldn't ban me because I never violated any rules until that time. :D :D Although I never got into any serious fights there because that forum was a serious forum where minor disrespects resulted into permanent bans. The hostility was mostly convenveyed carefully through the way they communicated and acted.

Anyway. I took note now and I understand why I made people feel so insulted. I guess that I should be even MORE careful with my language in the future as to not melt any snowflake. :D

Maybe I guess that I am a psychopath that likes to make people angry. My father was worse he used to say horrible things just to make his second wife angry and he laughed maniacally after she screamed at him. I guess I inherited some of these genes. At least in the sense that I didn't care whether that forum hated my guts for years as long as it was not very explicit.

Guap, I say this in all honesty, not at all trying to come across as rude or offensive - but if you're admitting that feel you're a psychopath, you should definitely seek help.

McConnaughay

11-15-17, 10:09 AM

I like your thick skinned style.

Anyway if nobody took what I said seriously why they feel so insulted that they attacked me? They would just ignore it. But that is not the case.

Even you, the thickest skinned American in this forum, is attacking me right now.;)

I ignore you Guaporense.

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Guaporense

11-15-17, 10:13 AM

Guap, I say this in all honesty, not at all trying to come across as rude or offensive - but if you're admitting that feel you're a psychopath, you should definitely seek help.

Don't worry. Actually I have been to psychologists recently because of the stress related to work. I was just kidding about the psychopath thinguie.

DocHoliday

11-15-17, 10:19 AM

Don't worry. Actually I have been to psychologists recently because of the stress related to work. I was just kidding about the psychopath thinguie.

That's good to hear. I have a tremendous amount of stress in my life also between work and home life, so I understand. In many ways, movies provide me with an escape from the stresses of life. Problem is I don't have as much time and luxury to escape anymore.

Keep up with seeing the psychologist, eventually you might feel better.

cricket

11-15-17, 10:21 AM

I think a big problem is that you're one of those people who think they can speak for others; what they think, feel, etc. You make it worse by speaking for entire nations. It's grandiose.

Guaporense

11-15-17, 10:23 AM

That's good to hear. I have a tremendous amount of stress in my life also between work and home life, so I understand. In many ways, movies provide me with an escape from the stresses of life. Problem is I don't have as much time and luxury to escape anymore.

Keep up with seeing the psychologist, eventually you might feel better.

I actually feel really well over the past few months. I was feeling worse in late 2016 when my stress peaked. Then I started seeing the psychologist.

Sarge

11-15-17, 10:23 AM

Laters

Zotis

11-15-17, 10:28 AM

I'm glad you didn't leave Guap.

cricket

11-15-17, 10:30 AM

I'm very glad he didn't leave. We can all improve in some way and from my point of view he could use a little more humility. It's not a terrible thing.

Velvet

11-15-17, 10:35 AM

accidentally set off some more flame wars by repping old posts :bawling:

Sarge

11-15-17, 10:37 AM

This guy has been leaving for 3 years???

The long goodbye :D

Guaporense

11-15-17, 11:00 AM

I'm very glad he didn't leave. We can all improve in some way and from my point of view he could use a little more humility. It's not a terrible thing.

True that. I admit I am quite arrogant and it's a flaw I have. But I think I have improved. In 2017 I had way less fights than I usually did in this forum.

I will try to be more considerate of people feelings when I compose my posts.

Velvet

11-15-17, 11:01 AM

Yoda pretends to be nice but he is a deeply evil person.
Sig worthy

Guaporense

11-15-17, 11:01 AM

This guy has been leaving for 3 years???

The long goodbye :D

Actually I left in late 2014 but I came back a couple of months later. I am a bit addicted to this forum. :D

Velvet

11-15-17, 11:07 AM

I like how some of the newbies react. There very shocked it seems

Dirk120

11-15-17, 11:28 AM

Joel

11-15-17, 11:38 AM

Anyway. I took note now and I understand why I made people feel so insulted. I guess that I should be even MORE careful with my language in the future as to not melt any snowflake. :D[/B]

Maybe I guess that I am a psychopath that likes to make people angry.

OK, so why are you the victim, again?

You admit to provoking people with careless paragraphs of underhanded insults (I know, those aren't your words).

I'm not trying to be a dick and say you have no intellectual sauce to contribute, but damn man..what do you expect?

You're throwing gasoline on the fire and you know it.

Evil?

Taking digs at people and then apologize with more digs and expect sympathy seems a tad bit evil to me. But I guess there are different thoughts on what evil is. I guess abusive would be a better word. Mind games. Control issues, etc. Not saying that's who you are, just saying I've experienced that before and if the shoe fits..

You should try harder to sort it out if you want any understanding at all.

matt72582

11-15-17, 12:04 PM

In comparison, this forum and the mod is way cooler.

That's why this place grows. Also why people don't usually leave :)

matt72582

11-15-17, 12:04 PM

https://i.imgur.com/3Y5g4Bv.gif

"No No, I'll take the steak knives!"

Zotis

11-15-17, 12:21 PM

Joel with some hard words.

Dirk120 I don't know you, but in the words of a great mentor, "never trust people with numbers in their names."

Edit: That's also why I don't trust matt.

Gangland

11-15-17, 12:44 PM

Citizen Rules

11-15-17, 12:50 PM

I hope the movie is as good as the book:p That was an interesting read! Not sure why I got mentioned back there, my post was from 3 years ago.

Oh hi Guap...

Guaporense

11-15-17, 04:53 PM

Guap, you seem like an interesting guy with interesting views and taste, I'm sorry we haven't really crossed paths here before. But I gotta say man, Yoda is top notch. I'm not as active here as I'd like to be, but I really enjoy my time in this community. I've definitely been in disagreements with people on this forum before, but its never really been personal or nasty.

I guess I should learn your interaction skills then.

As not a big anime fan myself (the only series I made it through was Cowboy Bebop), I sort of understand what you're getting at, but at the same time, I wouldn't go to a more anime focused forum and complain that we don't talk about Goodfellas.I have no problem with lack of interest. I never complained about lack of interest. But the problem was very different from lack of interest.

There doesn't not exist stigmatization of American popular culture while Japanese visual culture is heavily stigmatized in many Western countries.

For instance, when an anime title showed up in the forum's top movies or TV shows from top lists that were computed from the forum's users it was common for users to shout sentences of similar meaning to: "what is this piece of garbage doing here", "anime looks like garbage", "people who like this anime are weird", "oh, anime, the stuff those immature and antisocial people who cannot leave their parents basements", "you know, there is surgery to remove anime from your brain". Those kind of comments hurt.

Or when I participated in activities that involved a group of people and each person recommended a movie for the group to watch. When I tried recommending some anime films people often refused to watch and refused to discuss it or to allow me to participate.

This problem became less intense in recent years.I don't think I had any problem in over a year now. Perhaps because I just stopped participating in any large forum wide activities and now I just restrict discussion of Japanese visual culture in my own threads. For interested people only. But overall it appears that western culture is gradually learning to accept Japanese culture and also I am trying to be less arrogant.

I never had similar problems with any other interest I ever had. For instance, almost nobody here listens to metal but when I posted about metal albums in the music threads I was never insulted for it. There is not stigma against any form of music here. In Brazil there is a sigma against rap music actually.

I think the fundamental reason for this stigma are the deep cultural differences between Western countries and Japan.

Joel

11-15-17, 04:59 PM

You probably don;t want to hear from me, Guap, and I understand but...I'm sure there is a big difference between western and japanese visual. I mean, there is. But also it could be that anime (no matter if it's anime, usa cartoons, etc) just isn't something a lot of movie buffs get into, that's all. I don't think it's because the "anglo saxons" cannot accept or appreciate other cultures, I mean, that's absurd. I do understand you wanting to merge that specific art form into commercial Hollywood conventions but that's a tall order for reasons that I'm sure exist outside of prejudice, though, I wouldn't rule some prejudice out, of course. That's apparent everywhere lol.

Camo

11-15-17, 05:01 PM

For instance, when an anime title showed up in the forum's top movies or TV shows from top lists that were computed from the forum's users it was common for users to shout sentences of similar meaning to: "what is this piece of garbage doing here", "anime looks like garbage", "people who like this anime are weird", "oh, anime, the stuff those immature and antisocial people who cannot leave their parents basements", "you know, there is surgery to remove anime from your brain".

This is definitely true and it was pretty gross. Think more than anything it was to bait you after the tonnes of arguments and that isn't right of course.

Or when I participated in activities that involved a group of people and each person recommended a movie for the group to watch. When I tried recommending some anime films people often refused to watch and refused to discuss it or to allow me to participate.

The times i remember this happening was when you were nominating tv shows and sequels. TV Shows aren't allowed in the movie hall of fames, and people rightfully didn't want to start at the second or even third (?) film in a series. You claimed you didn't have to see them all then Jal contradicted you saying there was no way you could not start from the beginning and have any idea what was going on. I got the impression you were trolling there, intentionally attempting to get people to waste their time with something due to your annoyance with the performances of recent nominations of yours in the Hall of Fame. I mean that was after the 11th Hall of Fame but before the outburst that part of this threads argument was based on: the placement of Bashu. You were obviously still annoyed at that point about Bashu as the arguments happened after you dropped out of the Animation HoF.
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Gangland

11-15-17, 05:03 PM

I guess I should learn your interaction skills then.

I have no problem with lack of interest. I never complained about lack of interest. But the problem was very different from lack of interest.

There doesn't not exist stigmatization of American popular culture while Japanese visual culture is heavily stigmatized in many Western countries.

For instance, when an anime title showed up in the forum's top movies or TV shows from top lists that were computed from the forum's users it was common for users to shout sentences of similar meaning to: "what is this piece of garbage doing here", "anime looks like garbage", "people who like this anime are weird", "oh, anime, the stuff those immature and antisocial people who cannot leave their parents basements", "you know, there is surgery to remove anime from your brain".

Or when I participated in activities that involved a group of people and each person recommended a movie for the group to watch. When I tried recommending some anime films people often refused to watch and refused to discuss it or to allow me to participate.

This problem became less intense in recent years. I don't think I had any problem in over a year now. Perhaps because I just stopped participating in any large forum wide activities and just restrict discussion of Japanese visual culture in my own threads.

I never had similar problems with any other interest I ever had. For instance, almost nobody here listens to metal but when I posted about metal albums I was never insulted for it. I think the fundamental reason for this stigma are the deep cultural differences between Western countries and Japan.

That's interesting. I'm sorry people were that close minded about being recommended an anime to watch. Do you think that this just pertains to anime? Because I think Japanese cinema (Kurosawa, Suzuki, etc.) gets a fair treatment here.

DocHoliday

11-15-17, 05:04 PM

The fact that this thread hasn't been locked shows the kindness and 'professionalism' of the Mod on this forum.

I am a basketball fan and I used to be active in RealGm, some of the mods there are power tripping Aholes, that's why I left that place.

In comparison, this forum and the mod is way cooler.

But seriously, the choice is in your hand, because:

https://i.imgur.com/3Y5g4Bv.gif

LMFAOOO!! Wow, this is crazy!

I was banned from RealGM like five years ago.... for basically NOTHING!

That forum has THE worst mods on the net.... especially that clown Tsherkin... I think that's who banned me. Posters get banned from RealGM on a daily basis, for literally THE most minor infractions. I think it was because I went on a mini rant about how stats were overvalued, and that many posters didn't know the actual GAME and were just stat geeks... and I was canned. No warnings or anything.

I still read the forum, cause I'm an NBA fanatic.... but OMG the mods are uptight, humorless, and power hungry.

Small world!

Guaporense

11-15-17, 05:15 PM

That's interesting. I'm sorry people were that close minded about being recommended an anime to watch. Do you think that this just pertains to anime? Because I think Japanese cinema (Kurosawa, Suzuki, etc.) gets a fair treatment here.

I think Asian live action film is more respected in the West than its manga and animation. I guess it is because it is closer to Western culture than manga is. The highly stylized visuals of manga art are alien to Western aesthetic sensibilities. And so I think are harder for Westerners to swallow.

But I think that there has been a general improvement in perception and acceptance in this forum over the last few years.

Mr Minio

11-15-17, 05:17 PM

Yoda pretends to be nice but he is a deeply evil person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2R8eHhkvSs

DocHoliday

11-15-17, 05:22 PM

Guap's perception of Yoda behind the keyboard:

"Guap, I'm going to count to three... there will NOT be a four."

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/hans-gruber.jpg?quality=100&w=650

Joel

11-15-17, 05:23 PM

The highly stylized visuals of manga art are alien to Western aesthetic sensibilities. And so I think are harder for Westerners to swallow.

You mean some westerners.

Here is just one article. Can you trust the consensus? No, nobody did the counting for stats. But here is one point of view. Just America for now. A wealth of info out there pertaining to western culture, not limited to the US.

Here's a quote "Firstly, the popularity of manga and anime in America is arguably larger than American comics are in Japan."

http://graphicnovel.umwblogs.org/2015/12/09/japanese-manga-and-anime-influence-on-american-culture-vs-american-comic-influence-on-japanese-culture/

This manga you speak of...influences western sensibilities. Period. Not sure where you make this stuff up from but it's definitely made up, bro.

Miss Vicky

11-15-17, 05:30 PM

That's interesting. I'm sorry people were that close minded about being recommended an anime to watch. Do you think that this just pertains to anime? Because I think Japanese cinema (Kurosawa, Suzuki, etc.) gets a fair treatment here.

He's exaggerating and inserting his own (wrong) interpretations about why people reacted the way they did and what their motivations were.

A prime example of this is when he signed up for the Animation Hall of Fame and nominated something that didn't work as a stand alone film. It was the second movie based off of an anime series. It was very difficult to follow without knowledge of the prior film or series. The host gave the deciding vote to me as to whether or not to allow the nomination. I voted no (after watching the film myself) and the host accepted that and asked Guap to nominate something else.

At that point, Guap accused the host and me of being racist against Japanese people, despite the fact that my nomination (Satoshi Kon's Tokyo Godfathers) and the host's nomination (Hayao Miyazaki's The Castle of Cagliostro) were also anime films. (I'm also half Japanese, though I don't know if Guap was aware of that fact.)

He consistently plays these little games and throws these tantrums when things don't go his way. Don't like the films he recommends or don't think they should be allowed in a particular activity? You're a racist and a xenophobe. It doesn't matter what you think your motivations are, you're a xenophobe and he's better than you, you little snowflake.

Gangland

11-15-17, 05:33 PM

I think Asian live action film is more respected in the West than its manga and animation. I guess it is because it is closer to Western culture than manga is. The highly stylized visuals of manga art are alien to Western aesthetic sensibilities. And so I think are harder for Westerners to swallow.

I think there is some truth to what you are saying. As I mentioned earlier, I really like Cowboy Bebop, but I always had a hard time getting the majority of my circle of friends to watch any of it. Despite loving the music, I think it being an anime maybe did alienate their interest. To be honest, I only watched it because (besides the music) I was told there were gangsters in it, but I ended up appreciating the show despite that. But if you had to pick an anime that had overtones of Western influence, I guess it would have to be Cowboy Bebop?

But I don't agree that anime/manga isn't popular in the states, or the West, because I see it everywhere. The subculture may not be particular to this forum's taste, and I really can't defend anyone close minded enough not to give it a chance if everyone took a turn suggesting something, but there is alot of consumption of anime/manga out there. I will also admit that there is a certain stigma attached (especially if your are an adult male) to being apart of that subculture, but I guess you can argue that comes along with every subculture.

Guaporense

11-15-17, 05:42 PM

I think there is some truth to what you are saying. As I mentioned earlier, I really like Cowboy Bebop, but I always had a hard time getting the majority of my circle of friends to watch any of it. Despite loving the music, I think it being an anime maybe did alienate their interest. To be honest, I only watched it because (besides the music) I was told there were gangsters in it, but I ended up appreciating the show despite that. But if you had to pick an anime that had overtones of Western influence, I guess it would have to be Cowboy Bebop?

There are many Westernized anime and manga. In fact you can find manga versions of classics of Western film and literature. For instance, I read a manga version of The Great Gatsby and also of the Brothers Karamazov.

Of westernized anime my favorite of all time is Trigun. It is a science fiction western, not very dissimilar to Cowboy Bebop, but I found it's plot more emotionally involving.

But I don't agree that anime/manga isn't popular in the states, or the West, because I see it everywhere. The subculture may not be particular to this forum's taste, and I really can't defend anyone close minded enough not to give it a chance if everyone took a turn suggesting something, but there is alot of consumption of anime/manga out there. I will also admit that there is a certain stigma attached (especially if your are an adult male) to being apart of that subculture, but I guess you can argue that comes along with every subculture.It's true it's a popular subculture. However I don't think other subcultures are as stigmatized. Maybe the LGBT subculture can be regarded as the most stigmatized but that's for obvious reasons. Subcultures involving culture such as "Hollywood movie fans" or "rap fans" or "fans of Indian movies" are not stigmatized in the way "anime fans" are.

Also I think manga fans are not stigmatized like anime fans, mainly because manga is a bit more underground so only people "in the know" know it.

Dani8

11-15-17, 05:44 PM

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now I just restrict discussion of Japanese visual culture in my own threads..

iNo you dont because youre in this thread polluting it with this ad nauseum discussion. You seem very hung up on americans and manga. I HATE manga and anime and im not american . Hate it with a vengeance. I dont even like the word hate and rarely use it but I fracking hate it. I have no problem with people who love it as long as they dont invite me for dinner then play that crap (in my and only my opinion) Why do I hate it? I shall tell you. When I lived in japan grown men would leave their fracking manga on trains and buses. It would be in magazine baskets for dentists doctors banks restaurants, along with fetish porn. Full of school girls getting gang raped then going vigilante, making the gang rapists sht in each othber's mouths then shoving it in the other guy's mouth along with his sliced off best frie nd. No one linked an eye yet if there was pubic hair men wou'd start screamin g and women would start passing out.

that last sentence you can disregard but the rest is true. Thus

I FRACKING DISLIKE IT WITH A A TONNE OF ENERGY THEN

I disregard it and move on. Why dont you have an anime thread here if youdont already. It might attract newbs and you can control them all in your own thread. Be the boss and all. Obviously here no one cares about your ad nauseum tirade about americans hating anime, and I must say, that's pretty ridiculous because Ive seen a lot of people here discussing anime and a stack of westerners on other social media discussing it. You just like making that up. The university near my home has an entire BA diploma on bloody anime so stop fantasising about what ALL people in the west think, guapo!

Velvet

11-15-17, 05:46 PM

you havent even seen an anime I bet and your saying you hate it. Also lol at you thinking its all fetish porn. Looks like one of gaups generalizations is true

Guaporense

11-15-17, 05:48 PM

I disregard it and move on.

But it hurts to be stigmatized. It generates suffering for the stigmatized people. Hence it is something that should not exist in an ideal society. In many countries there are laws against it.

Why dont you have an anime thread here if youdont already.

I have an anime thread and a manga thread. ;) Had those for years, in fact I started one a month after joining in 2012.

It might attract newbs and you can control them all in your own thread. Be the boss and all. Obviously here no one cares about your ad nauseum tirade about americans hating anime, and I must say, that's pretty ridiculous because Ive seen a lot of people here discussing anime and a stack of westerners on other social media discussing it. You just like making that up. The university near my home has an entire BA diploma on bloody anime so stop fantasising about what ALL people in the west think, guapo!

I never said it wasn't popular. Actually the stigma against it is a reaction of it's popularity. What is not known is not stigmatized.

Gangland

11-15-17, 05:49 PM

There are many Westernized anime and manga. In fact you can find manga versions of classics of Western film and literature. For instance, I read a manga version of The Great Gatsby and also of the Brothers Karamazov.

Of westernized anime my favorite of all time is Trigun. It is a science fiction western, not very dissimilar to Cowboy Bebop, but I found it's plot more emotionally involving.

It's true it's a popular subculture. However I don't think other subcultures are as stigmatized. Maybe the LGBT subculture can be regarded as the most stigmatized but that's for obvious reasons. Subcultures involving culture such as "Hollywood movie fans" or "rap fans" or "fans of Indian movies" are not stigmatized in the way "anime fans" are.

Also I think manga fans are not stigmatized like anime fans, mainly because manga is a bit more underground so only people "in the know" know it.

No, man. I think Bronies win most stigmatized subculture. But this schism between anime/manga interests me. Do anime fans look down on manga fans? I figured the two would go hand in hand since there is soo much cross over between the two mediums.

Joel

11-15-17, 05:51 PM

you havent even seen an anime I bet and your saying you hate it. Also lol at you thinking its all fetish porn. Looks like one of gaups generalizations is true

I think Brazilians hate white people and they cannot digest the artistic aesthetic of anglo saxon sensibilities. I feel as if Brazilians are close minded in that way. They just don't get it. I feel very insulted. I think..- I think I may be a snowflake

Dani8

11-15-17, 05:52 PM

you havent even seen an anime I bet and your saying you hate it. Also lol at you thinking its all fetish porn. Looks like one of gaups generalizations is true

What?

1. Please learn to read
2. You havent got the faintest idea what I've watched. I never had a problem with your posts before now but that is laughable. Were you really incapable of reading that I lived in Japan? You probably call Miss Vicky a xenophobe about Japan when she's half japanese as well.

Velvet

11-15-17, 05:53 PM

Manga is actually much more popular than anime in Japan but in america I think anime is more popular

Joel

11-15-17, 05:54 PM

Manga is actually much more popular than anime in Japan but in america I think anime is more popular

Hey Velvet..sometimes you have perfectly clear communication, and other times you come off like a 5 year old drunk monkey. Are you horsing around back there? Mr. can;) man?

Guaporense

11-15-17, 05:55 PM

you havent even seen an anime I bet and your saying you hate it. Also lol at you thinking its all fetish porn. Looks like one of gaups generalizations is true

It is like saying all American movies are porn because some are.

Manga/anime is basically the medium where Japan's projects it's inner thoughts and those include everything you can imagine. There is manga for every demographic, taste and even every imaginable fetish. Since manga is also where Japan throws all it's fetishes into it also contributes to it's stigmatization.

Dani8

11-15-17, 05:57 PM

I never said it wasn't popular.

OK, I retract that.

Joel

11-15-17, 05:59 PM

Everything has stigma attached to it. Everything. Nothing is sacred.

for example:

Disney - satanic cult and sexually suggestive antichrist's with Touchstone Pictures as their fetish pool.

Pulp Fiction - director knew of misconduct but collected paycheck and career advancement instead

The Pope-italian mafioso that has dissenters rubbed out in secret..once protected child rapists

Buddha - has two headed elephants as a figurehead and expects people to feel at home and relax

and honestly..a stigma attached to cartoons is a major offense? Come on!

This is the world's stupidest thread

Dani8

11-15-17, 06:00 PM

It is like saying all American movies are porn because some are.

Oh gee and here I was thinking you got me. That is the most ridiculous thing I have seen you post in relation to a comment of mine. OK I have to repeat what another poster said to you.

Please learn to read. TIA.

Dirk120

11-15-17, 06:02 PM

LMFAOOO!! Wow, this is crazy!

I was banned from RealGM like five years ago.... for basically NOTHING!

That forum has THE worst mods on the net.... especially that clown Tsherkin... I think that's who banned me. Posters get banned from RealGM on a daily basis, for literally THE most minor infractions. I think it was because I went on a mini rant about how stats were overvalued, and that many posters didn't know the actual GAME and were just stat geeks... and I was canned. No warnings or anything.

I still read the forum, cause I'm an NBA fanatic.... but OMG the mods are uptight, humorless, and power hungry.

Small world!

Agreed.

And you should go somewhere else to read about basketball related news. The grass elsewhere can be greener.

Velvet

11-15-17, 06:02 PM

1. Please learn to read

Why do I hate it? I shall tell you. When I lived in japan grown men would leave their fracking manga on trains and buses. It would be in magazine baskets for dentists doctors banks restaurants, along with fetish porn. Full of school girls getting gang raped then going vigilante, making the gang rapists sht in each othber's mouths then shoving it in the other guy's mouth along with his sliced off best frie nd. No one linked an eye yet if there was pubic hair men wou'd start screamin g and women would start passing out.

In this post you say that you hate it because you either skimmed,read, or looked at the covers of a couple manga's that happened to be highly sexual. Therefore you are saying that you hate manga because you tried a couple that happened to obviously not be for your taste even though their are thousands others that are not highly sexual at all. Your post demonstrates a lack of respect for the medium. Saying you hate it with a passion without even trying one anime/manga that would be suited to your tastes is definitely not a fair to a medium so many different ideas, genres, and artstyles. Also you said you hate anime even though you only provided an example of why you hate manga which means you are grouping them together even though they are quite different.