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Erasmus Folly
10-03-14, 05:05 AM
From CNN

(CNN) -- Poor Pluto. Is it or isn't it a planet?
Ever since astronomer Clyde Tombaugh at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona (http://www.lowell.edu/), discovered it on February 18, 1930, we've believed that we live in a solar system with nine planets.
Then, along came the International Astronomical Union, the group that gets to name planetary bodies. In 2006, it came up with some rules for what is and is not a planet. The group decided Pluto didn't make the grade (http://www.iau.org/public/themes/pluto/).
It was demoted to a dwarf planet, leaving our solar system with just eight planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.
The union says a planet is a celestial body (PDF) (https://www.iau.org/static/resolutions/Resolution_GA26-5-6.pdf) that:
1. Orbits the sun
2. Is round or nearly round
3. Has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit
Pluto orbits the sun, and it's round. It got kicked out as a planet because of rule No. 3: The astronomical union said Pluto was too small to knock other space rocks out of its path as it orbits the sun.
But the group's definitions -- and the public's attachment to tiny Pluto -- sparked lots of debate. On September 18, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics jumped into the debate (http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-25): What is a planet? It had some experts discuss the definition of a planet and then let the audience vote. Guess what? They voted that Pluto is a planet (https://www.youtube.com/user/ObsNights.).
One person who never accepted Pluto's demotion is Alan Stern, principal investigator for the New Horizons spacecraft (http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/), the first spacecraft sent to Pluto. He said Pluto was given the boot because of its distance from the sun.
"In fact, if you put Earth where Pluto is, it would be excluded!" Stern said. "Any definition of planethood that excludes Earth, in any circumstance, is deeply flawed. After all, if there is any object everyone agrees is a planet, it's Earth."
And he agrees with those in the audience at that Harvard panel discussion.
"I think the public is better suited to this than astronomers, at least," Stern said. "The IAU should never have pretended to have the expertise to enter into this debate. It's a matter for planetary scientists, not astronomers."
Don't forget that the other eight planets also have their differences: Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars are rocky; Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants; and Uranus and Neptune are ice giants.
"This is really about a revolution in planetary science," Stern said. "We're seeing that what we used to know about the number and variety of planets was very data limited until the mid- to late 1990s. Now we know that there are lots of types of planets."
NASA's decades-old Voyager 2 mission is a preview of new mission to Pluto (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/24/us/nasa-pluto-neptune-voyages/index.html)
When New Horizons arrives at Pluto in July, it might not end the debate over Pluto's status as a planet, but Stern says the mission is "going to be mind-blowing."
The spacecraft has to survive what Stern calls the "seven weeks of suspense," dodging asteroids as zips toward Pluto. Then, we'll finally get a detailed, amazing photos of the tiny world. Planet or not, Pluto is finally coming into focus.


And Justice for All !!!! :D:D:D:D:D

The Rodent
10-03-14, 05:42 AM
By that reckoning, that means there are tens of thousands of planets in our solar system. There a re rocks and lumps of stuff in our Solar System that are bigger and denser than Pluto, so why aren't they classed as Planets?


Pluto is also inside the Kuiper Belt and hasn't technically cleared a path through it's orbit.


Pluto is also smaller than our own Moon... Pluto being only 1400km in diameter and the Moon being near 1800km... and there is another particular lump of rock out there, called Eris, that is larger than Pluto and also has a Moon of it's own, which is more than can be said about Pluto, yet Eris still isn't classed as a planet.
Pluto has been said to have a Moon, called Charon, yet the definition of a Moon is that goes around the Planet... yet Pluto and Charon actually rotate around each other, with the centre of gravity being between them.


Pluto and Charon... are not Planets nor are they a Planet with a Moon... they're two lumps of tiny rock inside the Kuiper Belt that were mistaken for one big lump back in the 1930s when Telescopes were crap.

Kaplan
10-03-14, 06:08 AM
By that reckoning, that means there are tens of thousands of planets in our solar system. There a re rocks and lumps of stuff in our Solar System that are bigger and denser than Pluto, so why aren't they classed as Planets?


Pluto is also inside the Kuiper Belt and hasn't technically cleared a path through it's orbit.


Pluto is also smaller than our own Moon... Pluto being only 1400km in diameter and the Moon being near 1800km... and there is another particular lump of rock out there, called Eris, that is larger than Pluto and also has a Moon of it's own, which is more than can be said about Pluto, yet Eris still isn't classed as a planet.
Pluto has been said to have a Moon, called Charon, yet the definition of a Moon is that goes around the Planet... yet Pluto and Charon actually rotate around each other, with the centre of gravity being between them.


Pluto and Charon... are not Planets nor are they a Planet with a Moon... they're two lumps of tiny rock inside the Kuiper Belt that were mistaken for one big lump back in the 1930s when Telescopes were crap.

Pluto has additional moons beside Charon. Not that I care too much how Pluto is classified.

Hit Girl
10-03-14, 09:20 AM
By that reckoning, that means there are tens of thousands of planets in our solar system. There a re rocks and lumps of stuff in our Solar System that are bigger and denser than Pluto, so why aren't they classed as Planets?


Pluto is also inside the Kuiper Belt and hasn't technically cleared a path through it's orbit.


Pluto is also smaller than our own Moon... Pluto being only 1400km in diameter and the Moon being near 1800km... and there is another particular lump of rock out there, called Eris, that is larger than Pluto and also has a Moon of it's own, which is more than can be said about Pluto, yet Eris still isn't classed as a planet.
Pluto has been said to have a Moon, called Charon, yet the definition of a Moon is that goes around the Planet... yet Pluto and Charon actually rotate around each other, with the centre of gravity being between them.


Pluto and Charon... are not Planets nor are they a Planet with a Moon... they're two lumps of tiny rock inside the Kuiper Belt that were mistaken for one big lump back in the 1930s when Telescopes were crap.

I agree. Plus you are now dead thanks to the Halloween Big Brother competition. Suffocated! :)

Erasmus Folly
10-03-14, 11:48 AM
It is amazing to me that with all the problems we have here on Earth, such as Ebola, Isis, Poverty, Inequality, Nations warring on each other, that people can still be exorcised about a hunk of rock billions of miles away. We all like to have certainty in our lives and perhaps it's just the romantic in me, but I grew up and learned that one of the first things about the galaxy we live in, is that there were 9 planets, and that Pluto was the outermost of them. I stand by Pluto - Long May She Orbit!
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4a33332e76399194420a5b502e2d85fe8e070e86/c=385-115-2001-1328&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/10/02/1412256025000-pluto000001.jpg

Yoda
10-03-14, 11:53 AM
Glad to hear my very excellent mother can serve us pizza, again.

The Rodent
10-03-14, 12:01 PM
It is amazing to me that with all the problems we have here on Earth, such as Ebola, Isis, Poverty, Inequality, Nations warring on each other, that people can still be exorcised about a hunk of rock billions of miles away. We all like to have certainty in our lives and perhaps it's just the romantic in me, but I grew up and learned that one of the first things about the galaxy we live in, is that there were 9 planets, and that Pluto was the outermost of them. I stand by Pluto - Long May She Orbit!
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4a33332e76399194420a5b502e2d85fe8e070e86/c=385-115-2001-1328&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/USATODAY/None/2014/10/02/1412256025000-pluto000001.jpg



But Eris is 3 times the distance from the Sun than Pluto is and is also a lot bigger than Pluto yet hasn't ever been given Planet status.

Erasmus Folly
10-03-14, 12:03 PM
Glad to hear my very excellent mother has one more pizza to serve us, again.
Unfortunately there are those who want to say "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nachos!"

neiba
10-06-14, 06:23 AM
Well, it's strange to say the planet names and order and stop in Neptun, after all those years in school learning it with Pluto!

However I do agree with Rodent! We know now more than never, it's normal that we change some definitions!

The Rodent
10-06-14, 08:54 AM
Nothing I was taught in science is current any more tbh.


Even the Periodic Table I was shown at school is outdated now. I've learned more about science stuff since I left school as well.