MoFo Alcoholics Anonymous

[Sexy Celebrity]

Alcoholics Anonymous

[Mr Minio]

BRB while I'm making Teetotaller Anonymous thread.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

My names Bob and I'm an alcoholic.

[Sexy Celebrity]

That's really your name? Bob?

Bob the Sci-Fi Slob.

[teeter_g]

My name is Marley. I am an alcoholic.

I have been sober for 5 years and 6 months.

[cricket]

I should probably say something since I've been there, but it's very hard to know what to say, so forgive me if some of it sounds like rambling. I had very serious alcohol and gambling problems and have been to meetings for both. Although a lot of drinkers gamble, and a lot of gamblers drink, I believe that they're two completely different entities, so I'll just stick to talking about alcohol. First off, I don't necessarily buy into the term"alcoholic". I prefer using the word "drunk". There's no set definition for the word alcoholic; the best meaning I heard was that it was for someone who's drinking causes them problems in their life. Drinkers drink for different reasons, and I believe no two people are the same. Because of that, I think it's very difficult to offer advice, but it's easy to give opinions based on personal experience. Meetings just did not work for me. I went to many AA meetings because they were court ordered. I couldn't identify and I just didn't buy into it. Some people do buy into them, and for those people, meetings can be a godsend. I started drinking heavy at the age of 18, and my issue was probably at it's peak from the ages of 19 to 25. I'm 43 today, and I never made a serious effort to give up drinking, even though I knew I had a serious problem. Over time, I gradually slowed down in a natural manner. Today, I wouldn't even know I had a drinking problem if it wasn't for my foggy memories. I am now a very normal, social drinker who doesn't have any type of problem with alcohol. it's probably been about 3 years since I've gotten drunk; it's as if it never happened. To give you an idea of my drinking during my peak years, I drank every day while I was awake. I would routinely drink a case of beer while working the morning shift at the airport, and then go right to the bar until closing time, and then more if I found a party or met a girl. I would never go to sleep, I would only pass out. My tolerance was through the roof, but I would still get to the point of being trashed out of my mind, putting me in danger and making an ass out of myself. In fact, when I look back at how I was, I feel a lot of embarrassment. The only thing that makes up for it, is the pride I have for getting past it. Whenever I meet someone from my past, they can't believe I'm still alive, and just as surprised that I can have a drink like a normal person. There is a widely held belief that someone with a drinking problem has to stop altogether, but again, everybody is different. You cannot group people with the same problem together, because the problem is only the same from the outside looking in. I would tentatively advise someone who is having a hard time quitting drinking, to not try quitting altogether. I would get pretty sick if I didn't have a drink by around 11am. Slowing down drinking is not as hard to do and is a more realistic, immediate goal. I never could comprehend doing anything while sober. I went everywhere drunk, the movies, dates, stores, funerals, you name it. I just could not picture not being drunk. It takes the realization that life is better being sober, to truly want to be sober. Of course, there are people that just can't drink at all. You can only do your best; slow down one drink at a time if necessary. If meetings aren't working for you, then you have to do it alone. You can have support, but you will make your own decisions. Realizing you have a problem is an important key. Find something you can stand doing sober, like going for a hike, and go, and do it-alone or with someone that doesn't have a drinking problem. Give meetings a fair shot, but if they're not for you, don't force it. If you go to bars or hang out with friends who like to get drunk, it's much harder to control yourself because your behavior is acceptable. You have to find out what works best for you individually, and you have to realize that life is better when you're not drunk! Good luck, John, and to anyone else who is fighting an addiction.*

[the samoan lawyer]

I've been too. Different for me as whilst I wasn't 'addicted', my problem was I never knew when to stop. I always argued that I didn't have an alcohol problem because I could go a week without a drink, what I didn't realise was that my problem was that I was always out of control. It completely destroyed my life and the lives of my loved ones and has caused so many problems that still exist. I have cut down a lot but still prone to the occasional binge but it's very difficult when you have a circle of friends more or less revolve around alcohol. It's left me a nervous wreck any time I'm around alcohol and leaves me extremely depressed for days after.

[rauldc14]

My name is Raul and I am a drunk about two times a year.

[christine]

Sam brings up an important thing, I know it's hard when you're going through problems with any addiction but your family is suffering too and most of the time they're helpless :( It's an awful place to be to be looking on at someone you love being so self destructive.

[cricket]

You're right Christine, it's a very helpless feeling, because nobody can tell what the right move is. A lot of times there's an underlying reason why someone has a problem, and maybe identifying that problem can help. My father drank and gambled his whole life, but I had no other issues. I went so hard with both, way beyond what my father even did, and I have no idea why.

[cricket]

My name is Raul and I am a drunk about two times a year.

You could've fooled me:D

[Sexy Celebrity]

You're right Christine, it's a very helpless feeling, because nobody can tell what the right move is. A lot of times there's an underlying reason why someone has a problem, and maybe identifying that problem can help. My father drank and gambled his whole life, but I had no other issues. I went so hard with both, way beyond what my father even did, and I have no idea why.
Maybe you were just trying to be like him. To make him proud of you by being an even bigger drunk and gambler than he was. You might have figured -- he loves to do it, so I'll do it, and I'll do it better, and he'll love me for it.

[teeter_g]

I would drink from the time the bar opened until the time that it closed every day. I drank whatever people bought for me. I had a sky high bar tab and therefore had to go to work for the owner just to pay my tab. She was cool with me drinking while I was working as long as I didn't get so drunk I couldn't handle money. I would smoke anywhere from two to four packs of cigarettes a night. I gave that up on the same day as I did the drink. As long as I don't drink I don't want to smoke and vice versa. The biggest problem that I have found with it is that I have 0 social live now. There isn't really anything around this area to do that doesn't involve drinking. My grandfathers on both sides had drinking problems so I got it honest. I started drinking around 15 years old, maybe a little younger. There is a camp next door to my house and they used to stay stocked up on beer and never really noticed that I was drinking a case or so of it on a weekend when they weren't there. My cousins and I would stay there on weekends and drink. When I turned 18 years old I started hanging out with my Aunt and Uncle (coincidently they run the bar now) at the bar. I would order a pop, drink that and then refill the can with alcohol. I would end up drunk every weekend that way. At 19 I made friends with the owner of the bar and she started letting me drink as long as I was careful about who saw me. I was drunk every day shortly after that. I stopped drinking/smoking on March 4th 2009. I am getting ready to get a tattoo to commemorate my sobriety. :) I am more proud of that accomplishment than anything that I have done in my life. Looking back on it there are a lot of things that I am ashamed of that I did, and there are also a lot of things that I am surprised that I lived through. I quit drinking because the doctor told me that my liver was damaged and if I continued at the rate that I was going then she wasn't sure if it would repair itself. I am happy to say that, besides being a bit overweight, I am in great health. :D

[honeykid]

I would smoke anywhere from two to four packs of cigarettes a night. I gave that up on the same day as I did the drink. As long as I don't drink I don't want to smoke and vice versa.
I've never had a problem with alcohol, well, not for a Brit anyway, but I do recognise this. I've not had a 'proper drink' since I stopped smoking 7 years ago. I don't drink because the desire to smoke again would, I'm sure, be overwhelming. It's been 7 years and I still sometimes, especially when I can't go to sleep, I really want a cigarette

[teeter_g]

I've never had a problem with alcohol, well, not for a Brit anyway, but I do recognise this. I've not had a 'proper drink' since I stopped smoking 7 years ago. I don't drink because the desire to smoke again would, I'm sure, be overwhelming. It's been 7 years and I still sometimes, especially when I can't go to sleep, I really want a cigarette

Sometimes someone elses cigarette will smell SO good! But I never want one. I know it will just cause me to be extremely dizzy and coughing will ensue.

[cricket]

I have to give up cigs next. "cough"

[cricket]

Maybe you were just trying to be like him. To make him proud of you by being an even bigger drunk and gambler than he was. You might have figured -- he loves to do it, so I'll do it, and I'll do it better, and he'll love me for it.

That wasn't the case with me, although I'm sure it is with a lot of people. I hid everything as much as I could from my parents, and I grew up hating that they drank and smoked, and he gambled. But it could've been the familiarity that enticed me; they used to take me with them to the bars until closing time, and after parties too. I'd sip on my kitty cocktails and play pool and the jukebox. That started as early as I can remember and didn't end until I didn't need a babysitter no more. My wife sometimes gets mad, and says I had an awful childhood, but that's not true. I loved it and was very happy, even if it may have affected me negatively later in life.

[Derek Vinyard]

I'm very not near to be an alcoholic... I am drunk at maximum 10 to 15 times a year with my friends when I go to the bar or partying ,etc. I love beer but don't very like strong alcohol like rhum, vodka and gin... I can take 1 or 2 shooter occasionally but I'm not a ''fan'' of this. For beer I try to control myself, I don't do drugs, I don't take pills or smoke ,etc. I'm just a big fan of beer and that's all.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I have to give up cigs next. "cough"

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=17155&stc=1&d=1410215853

Stop -- or you'll have a hole in your throat like she does.

[cricket]

I don't know; I mostly hated my father gambling because it would upset my mother. I probably exaggerated when I said I hated them drinking and smoking. I didn't like it, but it didn't seem like it was affecting me personally. I had to do what I did because my father did it, even if I can't understand it. I don't know, there's no easy answers.

[Guaporense]

I drink almost every day. In fact many posts I posted here while I was slightly drunk (some of my best ones in fact). But I am not an alcoholic, since I only drink 2-3 beers in each time. I don't like the feeling of being very drunk but I like the taste of beer.

[Derek Vinyard]

I drink almost every day. In fact many posts I posted here while I was drunk (some of my best ones in fact). But I am not an alcoholic, since I only drink 2-3 beers (or more sometimes, like yesterday) in each time. :cool:

You're The Funniest MoFo only for pissing people off it's funny as hell :p

[Sexy Celebrity]

Well, now we know Guaporense's secret. He's a drunk!

[Matteo]

I, for one, do not drink. In fact, I am the only person I know amongst my friends who does not consume any alcohol. People try to pressure me to, but I've always declined. I have nothing wrong with people who do, mind you, but I guess one's perspective changes when you grow up with alcoholics. I've seen what it does to people closest to me and it's something I've always promised myself not to do, even if it is just occasional or social. This may sound weird to some, but it's something that very few people I've spoken to understand. It had a profoundly negative impact on me growing up, and still does to this day.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Anymore alcoholics around here? Put down the bottle and type if you can.

[cricket]

I, for one, do not drink. In fact, I am the only person I know amongst my friends who does not consume any alcohol. People try to pressure me to, but I've always declined. I have nothing wrong with people who do, mind you, but I guess one's perspective changes when you grow up with alcoholics. I've seen what it does to people closest to me and it's something I've always promised myself not to do, even if it is just occasional or social. This may sound weird to some, but it's something that very few people I've spoken to understand. It had a profoundly negative impact on me growing up, and still does to this day.

You would think that it's supposed to work that way, but apparently it worked the opposite for me.

[foster]

Anymore alcoholics around here? Put down the bottle and type if you can.

If i only i enjoyed alcohol. doesn't give me any euphoria. i just get more talkative

[Sexy Celebrity]

Anymore alcoholics around here? Put down the bottle and type if you can.

If i only i enjoyed alcohol. doesn't give me any euphoria. i just get more talkative
Oh, Lord. He's hit the bottle because of his failed short film.

[teeter_g]

I did manage to go out to the bar with friends the other night. Stayed until 12:30 in the morning. Didn't drink anything but water and didn't smoke any cigarettes...only secondhand. I had to come home and shower because of the smoke smell. It was horrible. To think that I smelled worse than that every night of my life for 5-6 years makes me sick. I would come home so drunk that I couldn't walk down the hall without bouncing off the walls. I don't know how I got home sometimes. The grace of God I suppose. Thank the Lord that he let me get home without hurting myself or anyone else the entire time that I was drinking. I hardly ever had a DD. I nearly always drove myself home drunk.

[matt72582]

I don't drink anymore, and neither do a lot of my friends... I wonder if it's because of pot laws being more relaxed. Don't have to worry about a breathalyzer, or doing something you'll regret, or worse, dying.

[MovieGal]

Im glad I wont have to post here... I dont drink... nor do I smoke cigarettes or do anything illegal..

Only medication I take is prescribed...

[foster]

Only medication I take is prescribed...

and prescription drugs are never abused :p

[Monkeypunch]

I have given up drinking alcohol for my health, and I've mostly been good about it. I had a few drinks last weekend, woke up with a hangover, and immediately quit drinking again. I cannot do it anymore. I don't miss it.

I've been sober off drugs since 2003. I don't miss those either.

I quit smoking for good in 2010.

My only vice nowadays is coffee. Coffee is amazing and I love it. Nobody ever died from French Vanilla Decaf.

[Sexy Celebrity]

You did drugs? I don't think I knew that about you.

[Monkeypunch]

You did drugs? I don't think I knew that about you.

It's not something I'm proud of. I am proud of being sober, however.

[Captain Steel]

Quick question: I was interested in looking into Narconon. But then I heard that it's run by Scientology - that it's basically a front for the cult and that it may even be used as a means to attempt indoctrination into the "church" of people when they are at their most vulnerable. Anyone know if that's true?

[Monkeypunch]

Quick question: I was interested in looking into Narconon. But then I heard that it's run by Scientology - that it's basically a front for the cult and that it may even be used as a means to attempt indoctrination into the "church" of people when they are at their most vulnerable. Anyone know if that's true?

Yeah, you should NOT check them out. Even if they're not a front for Scientology (which they are), their methods are not effective or particularly safe, medically. Look elsewhere.

[Captain Steel]

Thanks, Monkeypunch!

[MovieGal]

and prescription drugs are never abused :p

well, not with me. I havent taken anything for 2 years as far as prescription.. but now I have to take 2 pills every day... but I wont abuse them... the prescription one will never be abused because its life threatening if you do... the other is an allergy pill...

[foster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O79mYjB8dBc

[Pussy Galore]

Alcool, drugs, cigaretts are honestly things I do not understand. I know I'm still very young (19), but I never had any interest toward them and I never plan to take any of them. For once, the effect it gives is basically getting people less rationnal so the conversations you have are less interesting, it attacks your liver, it makes your breath stink, it gives you a headach the day after, it's relatively expensive, for cigaretts it negatively affects your cardio, etc. Yet, most people do take them I don't what is it social pressure? Some kind of need for conformity? Some kind of need to get out of your normal state of mind? I don't know, but since it's a real issue I guess it should be dealt with and rationality is not the way to go because addiction is beyond rationality. I still find it idiotic that what most people of my age drink when they get together is alcool instead of water or juice, I don't know is it's for the taste itself (I doubt it) I think it's for the effect or just to conform, it's sad...

[foster]

Alcool, drugs, cigaretts are honestly things I do not understand. I know I'm still very young (19), but I never had any interest toward them and I never plan to take any of them. For once, the effect it gives is basically getting people less rationnal so the conversations you have are less interesting, it attacks your liver, it makes your breath stink, it gives you a headach the day after, it's relatively expensive, for cigaretts it negatively affects your cardio, etc. Yet, most people do take them I don't what is it social pressure? Some kind of need for conformity? Some kind of need to get out of your normal state of mind? I don't know, but since it's a real issue I guess it should be dealt with and rationality is not the way to go because addiction is beyond rationality. I still find it idiotic that what most people of my age drink when they get together is alcool instead of water or juice, I don't know is it's for the taste itself (I doubt it) I think it's for the effect or just to conform, it's sad...

Yes you are quite young, here I will break in down for you.
Drugs feel good.

Now you understand, that's really all there is to it.
You should also perhaps watch this movie which makes a convincing argument that our transition away from a hunter/gatherer society was due to a desire to stay in place so we could brew beer - and how beer is responsible for the agricultural revolution.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1832368/

Also I had no interest or experience with any of it either until i was about 21. It was an adult decision i made to experiment a little in college and had nothing to do with peer pressure.

I only made it through half a pack of cigarettes though .. gross. I've only enjoyed tobacco once, from a hookah at a house.. Gave me a decent buzz.

[Pussy Galore]

Is it an ironic comment haha?

[foster]

I was going for sincerity

[Pussy Galore]

Then I'd answer that the feeling you probably get from them is not as important as the negative backlash you get when you take them. For me as a cyclist and runner it would negatively affect my performances, it's expensive, it affects your health, etc.

There are many other ways to get pleasure and to enjoy your life.

[foster]

Then I'd answer that the feeling you probably get from them is not as important as the negative backlash you get when you take them. For me as a cyclist and runner it would negatively affect my performances, it's expensive, it affects your health, etc.

There are many other ways to get pleasure and to enjoy your life.

I don't think anyone is arguing that they're good for you.
Plenty of things feel good at the time and bring regrets later.

[Pussy Galore]

then why take them? haha

[Sexy Celebrity]

I only made it through half a pack of cigarettes though .. gross. I've only enjoyed tobacco once, from a hookah at a house.. Gave me a decent buzz.

Smoking is over. Smoking is gross. It's all about vaping now. You'd probably like that.

[foster]

then why take them? haha

I already told you, because it feels good.
This is a very simple concept.

Have you ever eaten sugar? Why?? It's not good for you! Sugar is a drug.

Ah right, because it tasted good at the time.

[Pussy Galore]

you can take ''drugs'' if you know you'll be able to not take them abusively.

But what I'm arguing is that alcool does not seem to feel good because it makes people basically less intelligent for a short amount of time.

[gbgoodies]

Smoking is over. Smoking is gross. It's all about vaping now. You'd probably like that.


What's vaping?

[foster]

you can take ''drugs'' if you know you'll be able to not take them abusively.


And yet some people become diabetic because they can't stop eating so much sugar every day.

You never know how much of a grip it will have on you until you try it. Each drug effects everyone differently. For you a candy bar might not be a big deal. For thelma down the street she has a large stash in her car at all times.

[foster]

Go read a story from any alcoholic about the first time they tired alcohol.
I'd bet they will describe a very, very good feeling. Even if they are less intelligent for a time.

Honestly more intelligent people are more prone to depression anyway. Intelligence rarely feels good.

[Pussy Galore]

I don't really know what I can answer to that. The best times I've had in my life is with older people that didn't drink and we had discussions about cinema, philosophy, sports, litterature, etc. Everytime I went to some sort of bar or party (I even tried drinking) I didn't had any fun. But that's me I can't really generalize it.

[foster]

I don't really know what I can answer to that. The best times I've had in my life is with older people that didn't drink and we had discussions about cinema, philosophy, sports, litterature, etc. Everytime I went to some sort of bar or party (I even tried drinking) I didn't had any fun. But that's me I can't really generalize it.

Sounds to me like you'd probably enjoy marijuana more than alcohol.
Pot is known for philosophical conversations.. alcohol is most definitely not.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Pussy Galore]

I'm a very happy person, I don't have the desire to drink alcool or smoke anything, I also don't eat meat and try to eat healthy. That's a choice I made, not a standard I think should be globalize. But for alcool I really do think it's a problem.

[foster]

I'm a very happy person, I don't have the desire to drink alcool or smoke anything.

That's the best way to be.

[90sAce]

I've given up drinking for about 8 months and feel a lot better and less depressed than I did.

I never was a huge drinker except when I'd go to bars and clubs (and I went for the women anyway, but I'd get in the habit of drinking one after the other, occasionally resulting in embarrassment).

Overall I'm happy without it, I'm happy staying out of the bars too - most of the women there weren't all that worth it either (though this may have to do with my current town, which thankfully I'll be moving out of next year), and I've decided I need to find better places to meet women.

[Ðèstîñy]

You will find that the moment you stop putting forth the effort to meet a woman, is when you will probably meet her. You've probably heard that before, but it's true.

[90sAce]

Alcool, drugs, cigaretts are honestly things I do not understand. I know I'm still very young (19), but I never had any interest toward them and I never plan to take any of them. For once, the effect it gives is basically getting people less rationnal so the conversations you have are less interesting, it attacks your liver, it makes your breath stink, it gives you a headach the day after, it's relatively expensive, for cigaretts it negatively affects your cardio, etc. Yet, most people do take them I don't what is it social pressure? Some kind of need for conformity? Some kind of need to get out of your normal state of mind? I don't know, but since it's a real issue I guess it should be dealt with and rationality is not the way to go because addiction is beyond rationality. I still find it idiotic that what most people of my age drink when they get together is alcool instead of water or juice, I don't know is it's for the taste itself (I doubt it) I think it's for the effect or just to conform, it's sad...
I don't see any problem with social drinking - some people are hardwired for alcoholism but most aren't, so I wouldn't judge before you try it. I think an occasional drink, especially a glass of wine can be good

Smoking on the other hand is much more addictive, at least for me - I can't see myself smoking socially at all - it's either chain smoking or nothing. But then again I know some people who do manage to just smoke a few at a time.

Of the two I'd definitely recommend not every touching cigarettes, but I don't believe a single drink is enough to get a person addicted. I personally never had an urge to drink unless it was right in my face.

[Pussy Galore]

I,m not saying that drinking is wrong, i respect people's choice and I don't really have a problem with it. I just find it sad that the social conventions when you ''go out'' or ''hang out'' with friends is that you take a beer and as the evening goes people get more drunk and less interesting when they talk. But that's a personnal observation if people are happy with that I don't mind it's just not for me.

[ManOf1000Faces]

I'm Matt, 19 years old and 2 years sober

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm Matt, 19 years old and 2 years sober

19 years old and 2 years sober?! You're not even 21, the legal drinking age in America. Shame on you.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

19 years old and 2 years sober?! You're not even 21, the legal drinking age in America. Shame on you.Go easy on him. I started drinking when I was 15, it hasn't effected me.

[mark f]

At the [continuation] high school I taught at, at least half the students were alcoholics and/or drug addicts.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Go easy on him. I started drinking when I was 15, it hasn't effected me.

I'm petitioning to have your name changed to "The Sci-Fi Drunk."

[honeykid]

Congratulations Matt. :)

[Cobpyth]

Alcool, drugs, cigaretts are honestly things I do not understand. I know I'm still very young (19), but I never had any interest toward them and I never plan to take any of them. For once, the effect it gives is basically getting people less rationnal so the conversations you have are less interesting, it attacks your liver, it makes your breath stink, it gives you a headach the day after, it's relatively expensive, for cigaretts it negatively affects your cardio, etc. Yet, most people do take them I don't what is it social pressure? Some kind of need for conformity? Some kind of need to get out of your normal state of mind? I don't know, but since it's a real issue I guess it should be dealt with and rationality is not the way to go because addiction is beyond rationality. I still find it idiotic that what most people of my age drink when they get together is alcool instead of water or juice, I don't know is it's for the taste itself (I doubt it) I think it's for the effect or just to conform, it's sad...

Well, first of all, I think there are many drinks that contain alcohol and taste very well. I live in Belgium and I can tell you that certain beers here are absolutely delicious! They offer a richly tasteful experience. The same goes with fine wines and good whiskeys.

On the other hand, there's no denying that heavy drinkers consume alcoholic booze for different reasons. They want to escape from reality for a while. Sometimes it doesn't go much further than simply relaxing for a bit and enjoying a couple of pints or a few glasses of wine, while carelessly having a chat with your friends. There are other times, though, that you want more, you want to be even looser, you want to go on an adventure that you wouldn't go on if you were sober. You start exceeding boundaries. There are suddenly a lot more realistic opportunities to make life more interesting.

You seem to have a very rational point of view on things and I partly am a pretty rational-minded person as well, but on the other hand I also like variety. I can enjoy watching a great film, having an interesting discussion with someone or playing a good game of tennis, but also being drunk as a monkey with some friends while doing some 'out of the box' crazy stuff. There's a time and place for everything, in my opinion. ;)

Of course there are dangers and serious drawbacks to alcohol and drugs. You don't have to tell me that as I've been confronted with many of them. It's just a matter of finding a good balance.

There are people (like you seem to be for instance) that genuinely don't care about "leaving their usual state of mind" and their own capacity to think rationally and who are perfectly happy to live life without ever going out of that comfort zone of self-control. That's perfectly valid and perhaps even the wisest thing to do in the end (taking into account all the factors), but I'm also convinced there are people who can function very well and live a happy life even though they drink large amounts of alcohol at times. A good example is Christopher Hitchens for instance (who is an intellectual I respect very much). His productivity is legendary and yet he was an extremely heavy drinker. The reason he gave for drinking so much alcohol, was that people profoundly bored him when he was sober. :laugh:

As for smoking cigarettes, that's a whole different and more complex story. It's incredibly bad for you and noone should ever start smoking, but as a smoker, smoking a cigarette is somehow still meaningful to me in a positive way. There are few things better than smoking a cigarette in the middle of the night, looking at a starry sky and thinking about existence for a moment. Smoking casually is probably more like a habit that has become an addictive desire, but I still enjoy it in a weird way. I'm sure I'll quit smoking when I'm a bit older because of health reasons, but for now it's still a part of me that I don't want to leave behind just yet. I'll also admit that I love the old-fashioned aura of it (when done in the right situation). Sometimes I think of myself as a really stupid person who's overly sensitive to nostalgia... :laugh:

[Sexy Celebrity]

Oh, really? You're a Christopher Hitchens fan now? He was a friend of "Mr. No Free Will" Sam Harris. I seem to recall arguing with you over free will in the past. In fact, the Free Will book is dedicated to Hitchens.

[Cobpyth]

Go easy on him. I started drinking when I was 15.

Same here. It often shocks me how different "drinking standards" are in the US. In Belgium there are almost none. Legally, you have to be 16 (and 18 for heavier booze), but basically everyone who's 14 and older can easily get alcohol.

Not a good thing, probably, but it is what it is.

[Cobpyth]

Oh, really? You're a Christopher Hitchens fan now? He was a friend of "Mr. No Free Will" Sam Harris. I seem to recall arguing with you over free will in the past. In fact, the Free Will book is dedicated to Hitchens.

I'm a big fan of Harris as well. ;)

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

A good example is Christopher Hitchens for instance (who is an intellectual I respect very much). His productivity is legendary and yet he was an extremely heavy drinker. The reason he gave for drinking so much alcohol alcohol, was that people profoundly bored him when he was sober. :laugh:


I didn't agree with Christopher Hitchens on much, but this point we can definitely agree on.:D

[Mr Minio]

How is this anonymous if there's your nickname next to your post?

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

How is this anonymous if there's your nickname next to your post?It's anonymous when you become too drunk to remember what you've posted.

[Pussy Galore]

I also enjoy Christopher Hitchens, there is a very good debate between him and Tariq Ramadan (a brilliant muslic philosopher) on YouTube.


As for what you say about alcohol I 100% agree with you, I don't have any problems with other people taking it, but what I dislike it's the usual standard of taking alcohol when you go out. It's not that if you don't take it people will hit you or something, but we all have a certain desire to conformity and I think this desire is responsible for most of the drinkers (not that it is that huge of an issue, but I just find it sad)


As for smoking, I think, as you say, that you enjoy that image of the classy film noir character smoking his cigarets and bein profound about it. But my mom is the same, she knows it's bad for her, but she can't stop. However, pushing it to later in life is not a very good solution since you will always want to say I'll do it later, I'd suggest to stop before any health problem could happen to you haha.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

I also enjoy Christopher Hitchens, there is a very good debate between him and Tariq Ramadan (a brilliant muslic philosopher) on YouTube.


As for what you say about alcohol I 100% agree with you, I don't have any problems with other people taking it, but what I dislike it's the usual standard of taking alcohol when you go out. It's not that if you don't take it people will hit you or something, but we all have a certain desire to conformity and I think this desire is responsible for most of the drinkers (not that it is that huge of an issue, but I just find it sad)


As for smoking, I think, as you say, that you enjoy that image of the classy film noir character smoking his cigarets and bein profound about it. But my mom is the same, she knows it's bad for her, but she can't stop. However, pushing it to later in life is not a very good solution since you will always want to say I'll do it later, I'd suggest to stop before any health problem could happen to you haha.I prefer Peter Hitchens. I think he is a better writer and speaker than his late brother. He won the Orwell prize for journalism and was nominated 3 years in a row.

[Pussy Galore]

Yeah, but he became a religious conservative and I find this kind of positions to be very hard to defend.

[The Rodent]

Might as well pitch in.


My story with the bottle, can, pint glass, tankard and barrel... and pretty much anything else that booze comes wrapped in:


Started drinking socially at about 12 years old...


... never took hold of me until I was 25 when my life fell apart and I was hit with PTSD, depression, anxiety and so on and started having blackouts.
Booze became a way out until I nice lady at the Hostel I was staying in simply said "Don't". So I made a decision that booze wouldn't control me.
Still drank socially though... and then started playing pool more often which meant I was part of a genuine social circle which included booze (having a pint whilst playing pool).


I had another blackout in May just gone, and I realised I was again addicted to booze. I'd been having one or two drinks between weekly pool matches, which turned into a drink a day... so I locked myself in the flat for 3 weeks and never went out, not even to pool matches. Only thing I did was visit MoFo and Facebook and occasionally went to the shop for some baccy and food.
DTs are not nice.


I'm no longer addicted to booze :D


Still have a beer during a pool match though, once a week I have a drink... but I've found myself not needing booze between matches anymore.
3 weeks stint of locking myself in the flat did me good.


I've also not had a blackout since the beginning of May. They were a regular occurrence at two or three times a month.

[Sexy Celebrity]

May was just last month and you're still drinking at times. Try harder!

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

DTs are not nice.
I can vouch for that. :dizzy:

[foster]

How is this anonymous if there's your nickname next to your post?

Have you seriously never seen a TV show or movie that had alcoholics anonymous in it? They BEGIN by saying their name out loud.

[Mr Minio]

Have you seriously never seen a TV show or movie that had alcoholics anonymous in it? They BEGIN by saying their name out loud. I have not, but it just doesn't make any sense. :rolleyes:

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

I've been to an actual AA meeting once. I felt embarrassed and just sat there and said nothing. It feels weird all those strangers telling you about their lives.

[MovieGal]

I have not, but it just doesn't make any sense. :rolleyes:

The reason its called "Alcoholic Anonymous" is because what is discussed in the meetings stays within the meeting. There is no reason to share someone else's story to the world.

[Camo]

Have you seriously never seen a TV show or movie that had alcoholics anonymous in it? They BEGIN by saying their name out loud.

Dexter gave the name Bob when he was in NA :p

[Mr Minio]

The reason its called "Alcoholic Anonymous" is because what is discussed in the meetings stays within the meeting. There is no reason to share someone else's story to the world. Yeah, but I guess that the fact someone's in AA should be kept secret, too.

[MovieGal]

Yeah, but I guess that the fact someone's in AA should be kept secret, too.

Well its your choice to tell someone if you are in there.. but you are not to share anyone's secrets...

I know this and I dont even drink or never been to a meeting.

[Camo]

Yeah, but I guess that the fact someone's in AA should be kept secret, too.

How would that work? Everyone wears a Burkha or something? :p

[MovieGal]

Its a support network, people are there to share their stories and seek support. Thru support, you are able to overcome your addiction.

People tend to forget that power comes from numbers.

[The Rodent]

Its a support network, people are there to share their stories and seek support. Thru support, you are able to overcome your addiction.

People tend to forget that power comes from numbers.

True, but I went for the opposite and locked myself away for nearly a month.
Needs serious self control for the first two or three days though.

[MovieGal]

True, but I went for the opposite and locked myself away for nearly a month.
Needs serious self control for the first two or three days though.

Which is understandable. Most people feel embarrassed to admit they have a fault. Its something that must be overcame.

I dont know your circumstances and I dont need to.. but I hope you got what you needed which helped make things better for you.

[Sexy Celebrity]

True, but I went for the opposite and locked myself away for nearly a month.
Needs serious self control for the first two or three days though.

You at least had your movie.

[Mr Minio]

Haha, I've seen a special kind of cigarettes that look like penises and they are made for men to use, so they wouldn't take something like this into their mouth and therefore won't smoke.

I wonder if you could come up with something similar when it comes to alcohol. Like alcohol bottles looking like penises? No, that's stupid. Then again, the idea of drinking something out of a penis is pretty repulsive for a straight male alcoholic, isn't it?

What about females, though? Any ideas, guys?

[Sexy Celebrity]

A true alcoholic would drink from a penis shaped bottle.

[The Rodent]

Haha, I've seen a special kind of cigarettes that look like penises and they are made for men to use, so they wouldn't take something like this into their mouth and therefore won't smoke.

I wonder if you could come up with something similar when it comes to alcohol. Like alcohol bottles looking like penises? No, that's stupid. Then again, the idea of drinking something out of a penis is pretty repulsive for a straight male alcoholic, isn't it?

What about females, though? Any ideas, guys?


Tit shaped

[Sexy Celebrity]

Bottles are already phallic, anyways. So are cigarettes.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=21838&stc=1&d=1434835515

Look at those things. And liquid comes out of them.

Every time you drink from one of these bottles, or hold a cigarette or a cigar to your lips, you're participating in subliminal homosexuality. If you're a guy, that is.

[Mr Minio]

Tit shaped Would drink.

[ManOf1000Faces]

I've been to a thousand of AA meetings. I don't wanna go into correcting people and the purpose behind certain traditions but I can however give out my anonymity but I cant give out anyone else's. Alright there I said it. also I agree, DT's suck and Blacking out is not fun.

[MovieGal]

I've been to a thousand of AA meetings. I don't wanna go into correcting people and the purpose behind certain traditions but I can however give out my anonymity but I cant give out anyone else's. Alright there I said it. also I agree, DT's suck and Blacking out is not fun.

I am so glad you said that because thats what I mentioned as well.. you can tell your own story while in AA to the outside world.. but you can not share anyone else's story to the world...

[Gatsby]

This thread looks weird - is it because I'm too sober?

[the samoan lawyer]

Haven't had one drink since 8th April. Much happier and better form away from alcohol. Do miss it on a Saturday night but especially not the next morning.

[The Sci-Fi Slob]

I just became eligible for state funded rehab. I'd have to pay £2000 of my own money which I don't have otherwise. Got to get this ***** sorted out. :up:

[christine]

All the best SFS. Hope it goes well :)

[honeykid]

Good luck with it, SFS. :) It's going to be difficult, but probably easier than you think.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I just became eligible for state funded rehab. I'd have to pay £2000 of my own money which I don't have otherwise. Got to get this ***** sorted out. :up:

Have fun. Hope they have an open bar.

[The Rodent]

Go for it Slobodobovic!


Good news man!

[doubledenim]

I just became eligible for state funded rehab. I'd have to pay £2000 of my own money which I don't have otherwise. Got to get this ***** sorted out. :up:

I'll contribute to a kickstarter.

[the samoan lawyer]

Good luck SFS

[Ðèstîñy]

I just became eligible for state funded rehab. I'd have to pay £2000 of my own money which I don't have otherwise. Got to get this ***** sorted out. :up:

Good luck. I hope this works out, so work your ass off, so it will. I don't like to share much about my life publicly, but I will say that it's been in my life, and I know how rough it can be for everyone involved. Don't give up. :)

[kelly34]

I had drink more than i ever did this last 2 years, i have attain a point of dependance who turn out to make me sick this last 6months where i couldn't have any control beside trying to reduce, i never in my life had let this happen, i am strong enough to cut it out before i get into this nasty circle, my fiance then had tremendous psycho drama episodes and dellusion and he continnuesly would accuse me of cheating over nothing over and over, i dont think i have never seen anything like it! he ll threat people, call at night, show up at my door cussing and screaming, anyways very psychotic, i realize then that my drinking got higher and each time i ll try to go back to a decent state of alchoolism he ll bring me more and more alchool and attention, same about my weight i ll spend all day working out and he ll bring me fast food...funny how some people arent strong enough to deal with their own issue so they need to suck on someone else for their sorrow, i took charge and reverse the process, i cant let my feeling take over body and soul and drinking habbit, if someone is to weak to not even being able to make you feel good on a daily basis then they shouldnt make you feel less of the person cause he cant deal with himself, i believe in god, in karma and in good!! i think cruelty is somehting a weak person choose to do because they to afraid of living life truly and they live with fear of their own self everyday! its sad but there is tone of thoses out there! take control take charge! dont be a downer, life is to precious....

[kelly34]

I just became eligible for state funded rehab. I'd have to pay £2000 of my own money which I don't have otherwise. Got to get this ***** sorted out. :up:


i think you should take that has a true opportunity if you made it happen obviously you want to make the change, get resinstated, get better and pray for your own soul and believe in yourself than you can do it, if anything arise in your daily life and you feel you need to drink, remember to breath, to sing, pick caffeine, pick food if you have too, smoke, chewingum, whatever you can do, but go day by day!!! you ll be a new person after, you ll be proud of what you have done and accomplish:cool:

[Sexy Celebrity]

I had drink more than i ever did this last 2 years, i have attain a point of dependance who turn out to make me sick this last 6months where i couldn't have any control beside trying to reduce, i never in my life had let this happen, i am strong enough to cut it out before i get into this nasty circle, my fiance then had tremendous psycho drama episodes and dellusion and he continnuesly would accuse me of cheating over nothing over and over, i dont think i have never seen anything like it! he ll threat people, call at night, show up at my door cussing and screaming, anyways very psychotic, i realize then that my drinking got higher and each time i ll try to go back to a decent state of alchoolism he ll bring me more and more alchool and attention, same about my weight i ll spend all day working out and he ll bring me fast food...funny how some people arent strong enough to deal with their own issue so they need to suck on someone else for their sorrow, i took charge and reverse the process, i cant let my feeling take over body and soul and drinking habbit, if someone is to weak to not even being able to make you feel good on a daily basis then they shouldnt make you feel less of the person cause he cant deal with himself, i believe in god, in karma and in good!! i think cruelty is somehting a weak person choose to do because they to afraid of living life truly and they live with fear of their own self everyday! its sad but there is tone of thoses out there! take control take charge! dont be a downer, life is to precious....

Uh... aren't you TONGO's girlfriend?

[TONGO]

Yeah, she was. There is a long story behind this and she needs to get some help.

[kelly34]

Yeah, she was. There is a long story behind this and she needs to get some help.

oh here the serious gentleman talking!!! everyone knows, if a man say about a woman" she need some help" 1st he doesn't love her, 2nd he s probably the jerk himself!!! thats a little word

[TONGO]

Woman you have my cell phone number. If you need to talk you can call or text or whatever. Please dont bring what youre thinking onto this site. Are you in AA? No. This thread is for recovered drinkers. Ill go to AA with you if you want, yes that means Ill stop smoking weed. You need this baby, I am not attacking you.