Gotham

[jrs]

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Director:
Danny Cannon
Screenwriter:
Bruno Heller

Cast:

Jada Pinkett Smith ... Fish Mooney
Ben McKenzie ... Detective James Gordon
Donal Logue ... Detective Harvey Bullock
Clare Foley ... Ivy Pepper
David Mazouz ... Bruce Wayne
Camren Bicondova ... Selina Kyle
Sean Pertwee ... Alfred Pennyworth
Erin Richards ... Barbara Kean
Robin Taylor ... Oswald Cobblepot
CCory Michael Smith ... Edward Nygma
Zabryna Guevara ... Captain Sarah Essen
Victoria Cartagena ... Renee Montoya
Drew Powell ... Butch Gilzean
Grayson McCouch ... Dr. Thomas Wayne
William Andrew Brewer ... Perpetrator

Before there was Batman, there was GOTHAM .

Everyone knows the name Commissioner Gordon. He is one of the crime world's greatest foes, a man whose reputation is synonymous with law and order. But what is known of Gordon's story and his rise from rookie detective to Police Commissioner? What did it take to navigate the multiple layers of corruption that secretly ruled Gotham City, the spawning ground of the world's most iconic villains? And what circumstances created them – the larger-than-life personas who would become Catwoman, The Penguin, The Riddler, Two-Face and The Joker?

GOTHAM is an origin story of the great DC Comics Super-Villains and vigilantes, revealing an entirely new chapter that has never been told. From executive producer/writer Bruno Heller (“The Mentalist,” “Rome”), GOTHAM follows one cop's rise through a dangerously corrupt city teetering on the edge of evil, and chronicles the birth of one of the most popular super heroes of our time.

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Growing up in Gotham City's surrounding suburbs, JAMES GORDON (Ben McKenzie, “Southland,” “The O.C.”) romanticized the city as a glamorous and exciting metropolis where his late father once served as a successful district attorney. Now, two weeks into his new job as a Gotham City detective and engaged to his beloved fiancée, BARBARA KEAN (Erin Richards, “Open Grave,” “Breaking In”), Gordon is living his dream – even as he hopes to restore the city back to the pure version he remembers it was as a kid.

Brave, honest and ready to prove himself, the newly-minted detective is partnered with the brash, but shrewd police legend HARVEY BULLOCK (Donal Logue, “Sons of Anarchy,” “Terriers,” “Vikings,” “Copper”), as the two stumble upon the city's highest-profile case ever: the murder of local billionaires Thomas and Martha Wayne. At the scene of the crime, Gordon meets the sole survivor: the Waynes' hauntingly intense 12-year-old son, BRUCE (David Mazouz, “Touch”), toward whom the young detective feels an inexplicable kinship. Moved by the boy's profound loss, Gordon vows to catch the killer.

As he navigates the often-underhanded politics of Gotham's criminal justice system, Gordon will confront imposing gang boss FISH MOONEY (Jada Pinkett Smith, “The Matrix” franchise, “HawthoRNe”), and many of the characters who will become some of fiction's most renowned, enduring villains, including a teenaged SELINA KYLE/the future CATWOMAN (acting newcomer Camren Bicondova) and OSWALD COBBLEPOT/THE PENGUIN (Robin Lord Taylor, “The Walking Dead”).

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While the crime drama will follow Gordon's turbulent and singular rise through the Gotham City police department, led by Police Captain SARAH ESSEN (Zabryna Guevara, “Burn Notice”), it also will focus on the unlikely friendship Gordon forms with the young heir to the Wayne fortune, who is being raised by his unflappable butler, ALFRED (Sean Pertwee, “Camelot,” “Elementary”). It is a friendship that will last them all of their lives, playing a crucial role in helping the young boy eventually become the crusader he's destined to be.

GOTHAM is based upon characters published by DC Entertainment and is produced by Warner Bros. Television. Executive producer Bruno Heller (“The Mentalist”) wrote the pilot, which was directed and executive-produced by Emmy Award nominee Danny Cannon (the “CSI” franchise, “Nikita”). John Stephens will serve as an executive producer on the series.


Gotham airs on Fox Mondays this fall starting May 5th.

[jrs]

Open Casting Call for Fox's Gotham


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The new Batman prequel tv show on Fox, will be holding a casting call on June 25th in New York City. Sounds cool eh??

The details..

FOX and Grant Wilfley Casting have announced today that an open casting call will be held next Wednesday, June 25, for background extras for the upcoming Batman-inspired series "Gotham." The auditions will take place at Our Lady of Guadalupe Church, 328 W 14th St, New York, NY 10014 at 10:30a-12p for SAG-AFTRA members and 1-5 p.m. for non-union with shooting to take place in New York City this July. Anyone interested in becoming a full fledged citizen of Gotham City should swing by and try out!


Source: Super Hero Hype (http://www.superherohype.com/news/305459-open-casting-call-for-gotham-extras-happening-june-25?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=open-casting-call-for-gotham-extras-happening-june-25#/slide/1)

[jrs]

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Academy Award nominee Carol Kane (Hester Street, Annie Hall) has joined the cast of FOX and Warner Bros. Television's upcoming Batman-inspired series, "Gotham". TV Line (http://tvline.com/2014/07/02/gotham-season-1-cast-carol-kane-penguin-mother/) reports that she will appear in a recurring role as Gertrud, the mother of Robin Lord Taylor's Oswald Cobblepot, the future Penguin. Her first appearance will be in episode 2.

"Gotham" will air Mondays at 8/7c on Fox.

Source: TV Line (http://tvline.com/2014/07/02/gotham-season-1-cast-carol-kane-penguin-mother/) via ComingSoon (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=120189)

[jrs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S_bodvIBG4

[jrs]

No Batman fans on here?

[Yoda]

Lots of Batman fans, but it's a show that won't have Batman in it! :laugh:

I'll watch it, because...well, yeah. Because. And I've heard a few things from interviews that make me think it might be okay. But it's pretty hard to get especially excited about, given the natural limit on how Batman-y it can get.

[TONGO]

Interesting concept. If they actually have a story to tell, and not just making a new series, then it may have a shot.

If theyre going to say young Batman was friends with young Penguin, and maybe they saw a performer one day that ends up becoming Joker, and then etc..... then its trite rehashed crap.

[seanc]

I"m going to try it. I am not optimistic but I hope to be surprised.

[Optimus]

Looks good. What channel will U.K. Get it on.

[jrs]

Looks good. What channel will U.K. Get it on.

It won't premiere in the U.K. at least for now. Nine Network will air the show in Australia, while CTV has acquired the broadcast rights for Canada.

[jrs]

but it's a show that won't have Batman in it! :laugh:

But the entire series relates to the origin of everything Batman. Plus Bruce Wayne becomes 'Batman' when he becomes Batman eventually. So even though The Batman isn't visually there.....Batman is in every other way. :cool:

[Yoda]

Danny Cannon, director of the Gotham pilot (http://www.hitfix.com/the-fien-print/interview-gotham-director-danny-cannon-on-batman-without-batman-and-introducing-mr-freeze#SA7riyiSLhOmVYxp.99):

I would never tell those wonderful fans, the best fans, that this was a Batman show. It's not. It's a Gotham show and that's why it's called "Gotham." The lead character is not Batman. The lead character is Gotham and in Gotham, many things happen, many villains are created. It's a corrupt, messed up, spiraling downwards, beautiful hodge-podge of every great city in the world. What we are creating is the environment where Batman is necessary. So this is not a Batman show.
I think we're all well aware of the fact that a show called "Gotham" relates to Batman. And some fans of the character might be excited about it for that reason alone. But it's definitely not a Batman show, and without the man himself, there's obviously going to be a hard ceiling on that excitement.

[jrs]

Well Gotham premieres tonight and I'm excited up the wazoo. The perfect way to start the fall TV season, plus I just read that Netflix picked up streaming rights to the show. Sweet. :cool:

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[Arcanis]

So I have to say that I was not disappointed with this show. The villains are absolutely perfect and Ben McKenzie is the poor man's Jeremy Renner as Gordan (seriously, such an awesome physical presence within the show. Even the kid that plays Bruce is every bit the actor that he neded to be. I can honestly say that this was the first time that I was ever happy to see The Penguin anywhere (he's just such a bland villain, especially for Batman).

The first episode suffered, for me, in two aspects. I felt that it really needed a 2-hour time-slot for as much as they were trying to get through: the character introductions seemed rushed, the pacing was a bit hectic and a lot of characters / scenes really seemed like they were falling just short of being fully fleshed out. It also suffered from my chief complaint from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in that it spent way too much time setting up future villains and plot points. In its 45 minute run-time, we get Cat Woman, Poison Ivy, The Penguin, The Ridder, Carmine Falcony and new-comer Fish Mooney, plus Gordan, Barbara, Montoya, Allen, Bullock, the Waynes and Alfred. Even then, I feel that the latter complain could be solved by the solution to the former (ie, doubling the pilot episode's run-time).

Still, it's turning out to be a great show and I can't wait to see where they decide to go with it.

[jrs]

So I have to say that I was not disappointed with this show. The villains are absolutely perfect and Ben McKenzie is the poor man's Jeremy Renner as Gordan (seriously, such an awesome physical presence within the show. Even the kid that plays Bruce is every bit the actor that he neded to be. I can honestly say that this was the first time that I was ever happy to see The Penguin anywhere (he's just such a bland villain, especially for Batman).

The first episode suffered, for me, in two aspects. I felt that it really needed a 2-hour time-slot for as much as they were trying to get through: the character introductions seemed rushed, the pacing was a bit hectic and a lot of characters / scenes really seemed like they were falling just short of being fully fleshed out. It also suffered from my chief complaint from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in that it spent way too much time setting up future villains and plot points. In its 45 minute run-time, we get Cat Woman, Poison Ivy, The Penguin, The Ridder, Carmine Falcony and new-comer Fish Mooney, plus Gordan, Barbara, Montoya, Allen, Bullock, the Waynes and Alfred. Even then, I feel that the latter complain could be solved by the solution to the former (ie, doubling the pilot episode's run-time).

Still, it's turning out to be a great show and I can't wait to see where they decide to go with it.


Very well said. :up:

[jrs]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEY86-2RNg

[Nausicaä]

It starts next month here, so got to wait until then. Bla. :p

[TheUsualSuspect]

I liked it. Willing to give it more of my time.

My one complaint is that it was very wink-wink, nudge-nudge with the character introductions. We know who the penguin is, we don't need a bunch of characters saying it dozens of times.

[jrs]

My one complaint is that it was very wink-wink, nudge-nudge with the character introductions. We know who the penguin is, we don't need a bunch of characters saying it dozens of times.

The inside jokes are part of what makes this show fun, I don't mind them one bit.

[Yoda]

He's not complaining about them existing, just the slightly clumsy way they're being done. And I'd agree; it could be a lot more elegant. And a lot more paced, too, given how long they've got to do all this, given that they can only use them in their incubated form, anyway.

[Arcanis]

Has anybody else continued to keep up with the show so far?

Between this and last week's episode, it looks like the show found its footing as a series. They're making good use of their characters, even if I feel that they're focussing on Bruce and Alfred more than they ought to (although Selina, Alfred and Bruce getting together for a few scenes looks to have amazing potential). I also wish that they would have kept Penguin working behind the scenes more than just two episodes (judging from the end of tonight's episode). Still, the show's shaping up nicely and I'm generally very happy with it.

[Arcanis]

So I just finished hammering out a review for this episode and I actually realized how terribly-written and terribly-utilized all of the women of the show are. Barbara only exists as a domestic counterpoint of Gordan. Despite all of her huffing an puffing Montoya has done exactly 0 things of any consequence. Their latest reveal about the two characters just smacks of wanting to sex up the show and give the girls something to talk about when the men are away at work - solving and committing crimes.

Fish is proving to be a ridiculously petty and shockingly ineffective villain, so much so that I wish that they would have cut her out entirely and kept the Penguin (who's amazing in this show) in her place. The only woman of any real merit on the show is Selina, who sadly can't carry the dead weight of her sister characters on her own.

While I'm happy with the narrative direction of this show, this realization of the show's utilization of women has really put a damper on my previous enthusiasm for it.

[Gideon58]

Just watched the pilot for this lavishly mounted hour-long crime drama based on the Batman Legend. The series opens with the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents, a story that we already know. In this series, a young Commissioner Gordon, at this time an idealistic young detective (Ben McKenzie) and his partner, a hard-nosed veteran named Harvey Bullock (Donal Logue) are assigned to the case. During the hour, we learn that the cops in Gotham City are just as crooked as the criminals and that the murder of the Waynes was no random crime. McKenzie is all stone-faced authority as young Jim Gordon and Logue makes a credible law veteran who initially wants out of this case until he realizes there are others out there who do want it. Jada Pinkett Smith was a real eye opener as Fish Mooney,
a crime Lord who I suspect might turn out to be Catwoman. We also met the Penguin who also figures into the mystery of the death of the Waynes. A lot of money has been poured into this show...the production values are first rate and the show displays a little bit of both the Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan visions of this story. I found myself riveted to the screen for the entire show and I will continue to tune in.

[Arcanis]

the production values are first rate and the show displays a little bit of both the Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan visions of this story.

Good point. The police station especially seems to be lifted from Burton's films.

[-KhaN-]

I love the show so far,I dislike few things,Fish is very boring character,kinda stupid and ignorant for someone who wants to be crime lord,look at Falcone then back at her...Montoya is also one character I hate but I suppose she was written that way and she is supposed to get on our nerves.Penguin is a lot of fun,actor that plays him is doing very good job,I think this will go to his revenge and taking over Fish's job.Selina is very good character,I don't have anything against people calling her Cat,she is later named Catwoman,she loves cats ,she is cat in human form so why would I have problem with people calling her Cat...Harvy and James...They work perfectly,they are like Two Face.Quality of story and acting(in most parts) is very good,also production values are great.I'm adding this to list of shows that I follow.Oh and its Batman universe,how can I miss it. :)

[Arcanis]

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one bothered by Fish (and Montoya, to a lesser extent). She has such promise as a character, but she's done nothing but get into petty pissing contests with her boss and muck up her job. The especially sad part is that you could replace her with the Penguin and the show would end up being a lot better (his schemes at least show results, plus he's by far the most interesting character on the show).

[Godoggo]

I'm pretty disappointed so far. I thought it would be more stylish, fun and out there. I'm finding it hard to pay any sort of attention to it whenever the Penguin isn't on. That annoys me because I feel like too much is being put on one character.

I don't know. It's really early yet and it's possible for me to change my mind, but I'm really blah about it right now.

[Mr.Sparkle]

Needs more Edward.

[Wolfsbane]

So...The Balloon Man helped make Batman? Ha.

[Optimus]

This starts in the UK tonight and ime pumped. The run up to this show has been pretty exciting and channel 5 have done a good job advertising it. A few of you seen pretty split about it so far so I'll have to see what I think.

[honeykid]

I'm still deciding whether to try it or not.

[Optimus]

Loved It!!!!.

From start to finish I was gripped, gutted it had to end. The cast is great, the characters are fascinating and the story is gripping,

[Nausicaä]

After one episode, disappointed. Not that keen on it but will watch a few more episodes to give it a chance.

[MovieGal]

Im enjoying this.. so far... some of the best characters.. but there are a few that I dont care for.. mainly ones that are fairly new in the DC world....

[Optimus]

After one episode, disappointed. Not that keen on it but will watch a few more episodes to give it a chance.

What didn't you like?.

[JayDee]

I'm still deciding whether to try it or not.

Same goes for me. I recorded the episode earlier and will probably give it a watch but not exactly dying to see it.

When I first heard about Gotham and that it was going to be about the early days of Jim Gordon I was quite intrigued. My interest levels dipped dramatically however when it was announced there was also going to be a young Batman, Riddler, Penguin, Poison Ivy etc. It just feels like it has the potential to be extremely cheesy. Does Batman really need to go down the route of The Muppet Babies or Baby Looney Tunes?

When a show does a prequel episode and shows that characters actually interacted and crossed paths before properly meeting or shows the origins of some things it can be fun (Friends was pretty good at this for one) but a whole series based around it? I'm not sure. I just fear they will constantly be forcing in little in-jokes and winks towards the future.

[Optimus]

Same goes for me. I recorded the episode earlier and will probably give it a watch but not exactly dying to see it.

When I first heard about Gotham and that it was going to be about the early days of Jim Gordon I was quite intrigued. My interest levels dipped dramatically however when it was announced there was also going to be a young Batman, Riddler, Penguin, Poison Ivy etc. It just feels like it has the potential to be extremely cheesy. Does Batman really need to go down the route of The Muppet Babies or Baby Looney Tunes?

When a show does a prequel episode and shows that characters actually interacted and crossed paths before properly meeting or shows the origins of some things it can be fun (Friends was pretty good at this for one) but a whole series based around it? I'm not sure. I just fear they will constantly be forcing in little in-jokes and winks towards the future.

But what was you expecting?. It's called Gotham, it's about the city and the criminals in it. I highly doubt they could make a series about Gordan without any of the villains to hunt. To be honest tho it does have it's cheesy little lines, and it does reference the young characters of the villains they will turn out to be, but it's fun. And after 2 episodes in I can say The Penguin is a fantastic character and portrayed better than any other attempts.

[-KhaN-]

Same goes for me. I recorded the episode earlier and will probably give it a watch but not exactly dying to see it.

When I first heard about Gotham and that it was going to be about the early days of Jim Gordon I was quite intrigued. My interest levels dipped dramatically however when it was announced there was also going to be a young Batman, Riddler, Penguin, Poison Ivy etc. It just feels like it has the potential to be extremely cheesy. Does Batman really need to go down the route of The Muppet Babies or Baby Looney Tunes?

When a show does a prequel episode and shows that characters actually interacted and crossed paths before properly meeting or shows the origins of some things it can be fun (Friends was pretty good at this for one) but a whole series based around it? I'm not sure. I just fear they will constantly be forcing in little in-jokes and winks towards the future.

I also thought it will be like that but its not,yes you have villains but they are minor characters or not even involved for now,Poison Ivy had 5minutes in first episode and that is it.First season is all about crime lords,corruption...Batman is not in this show...Bruce Wayne is and not a lot,how can you have series about Gotham without richest guy in it?Everything that is happening is because Waynes died,everything started there.I don't know what will happen in 3 or 5 or 10 season but for now you have Jim fighting mafia,gangs and corruption,no super villains.Nigma is in maybe 3 scenes from the start?And he is working for police and that makes perfect sense,its origin of Gotham and want it or not but these people are part of it,big part,I don't know who told you about all of the great super villains but its not like that,only Catwomen and Penguin had bigger parts in this...I love it so far.

[Nausicaä]

What didn't you like? Just didn't 'click' with me. When I start watching a new series if I don't feel a certain something during the first episode I usually end up not liking the rest. All my favourite series I have liked from the very first episode, no waiting to see if they improve.

As I said will be giving it a chance because I do like the look of young future villains and heroes and following them. But for such a massive new series I wasn't expecting the cheap production values(dodgy effects for example), cheap sounding music score... and also cringeworthy one liners/dialogue need to improve.

Sorrrrrryyyyyyy. :dizzy:


Jada Pinkett Smith was a real eye opener as Fish Mooney,
a crime Lord who I suspect might turn out to be Catwoman. :suspicious:

[Gideon58]

Just finished episode 2 and am still really loving this show...have to give a special shout out to Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney and Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot...these two are stealing every scene they're in with some riveting scenery-chewing. Lili Taylor and Frank Whaley were also a lot of fun in this episode.

[MovieGal]

Just finished the current episode of "Gotham" on Hulu Plus... "did Jim Gordon just give young Bruce Wayne the idea to become................?"

[Arcanis]

Just finished the current episode of "Gotham" on Hulu Plus... "did Jim Gordon just give young Bruce Wayne the idea to become................?"

I thought that Bruce got that idea from the Balloonman in the previous episode. He was following that story pretty closely.

I was again pretty disappointed by Fish in yeaterday's episode. They seem to be incapable of writing her as anything other than a sexual object.

[MovieGal]

I thought that Bruce got that idea from the Balloonman in the previous episode. He was following that story pretty closely.

I was again pretty disappointed by Fish in yeaterday's episode. They seem to be incapable of writing her as anything other than a sexual object.

You know Fish Mooney is a character made up for this show... she's not in any comic storyline.... for all I care.. they could write her out...

[Arcanis]

You know Fish Mooney is a character made up for this show... she's not in any comic storyline.... for all I care.. they could write her out...

I do know that. She's also proven to be the most consistantly disappointing part of the show (for me). I honestly wish that they would write her out, since Penguin is simply proving to be a much more interesting and competent version of her.

[MovieGal]

I do know that. She's also proven to be the most consistantly disappointing part of the show (for me). I honestly wish that they would write her out, since Penguin is simply proving to be a much more interesting and competent version of her.

Well I know Batman .. I enjoy comics about the villians of Batman and their origin stories.. most of my friends read comics including Batman... Fish Mooney is not even in the books and the creators of "Gotham" even admitted they created it for the show.... so as far as Im concerned being a Batman fan.... they can write her out anytime... however... I cant wait for them to put Jonathan Crane on the show!!

[The Rodent]

Ok...


I'm not reading other posts on here as the Pilot has only just been shown in the UK... Episode 2 is on Monday.


Pilot Episode
Interested in seeing how the rewritten Smallville-esk characters are utilised... everyone knew everyone when they were young, Catwoman was a witness to the Wayne murder etc...


... it'll play out ok I think as the story seems to be about Gordon's adventures and hunting the killer of the Waynes with Bruce and Alfred tying in occasionally to the story.


Acting is a bit dodgy, woman who plays Gordon's fiancé is pretty bad and Pinkett-Smith was simply awful. The actor playing Gordon seems miscast too.


There was a sequence of scenes that stuck out too... when the female secretive Cop speaks to Gordon's fiancé about Pepper, then wonders where Gordon got his information before saying "I knew I should never have told her that. I thought I could trust her... we were old friends, and all"... it felt like a cop-out piece of writing.
They obviously couldn't figure out how to get Gordon to find out about the frame and just badly wrote those two scenes rather than try something that was believable :down:




Will give it to Ep 3 and if there's any more "ugh" moments I'll give up.

[The Rodent]

I just hope it pans out, it's not very often a TV show grabs my interest.


Better not end up being complete gash like Smallville was.


I also hope they don't change Joe Chill... I get the impression they're going to though.

[Watch_Tower]

I've only seen the first episode and...I dunno, the aesthetics seemed weird, looked slightly cheap and digitised. I don't even know how to describe it lol But the story was ok if well worn and the performances weren't bad...neither were they memorable. I'll stick with it for a couple more eps and see how it develops.

[Captain Spaulding]

So far I'm enjoying The Flash more than Gotham. Neither show is great, but at least The Flash is fun and entertaining and knows what kind of show it wants to be, whereas Gotham is still struggling to find its identity and strike a consistent tone.

One episode of Gotham features people being murdered by balloons, which seems like something from Adam West's or Burton's versions of Batman; then the next episode features a villain who stabs people through the eye with a high-tech version of a switchblade. Half of the characters on the show, including the guy playing James Gordon, seem to be going for a more gritty, crime-drama, Nolan-like approach to the material, whereas others--- Jada Pinkett Smith, in particular--- think they're in a campy, exaggerated, comic book show. I'm fine with either approach, but it'd be nice if everyone involved with the show could get on the same page.

[The Rodent]

I think the Captain has it... nobody seems to know what kind of show they're making.

[Godoggo]

I agree that it's really uneven, but that's still not my major complaint. Unevenness can be ironed out.

There's just a real lack of imagination and creativeness in the show that makes me worry that it has any chance of getting any better. The Penguin is good because the actor rises above his material. He's not written especially well.

With Gotham you'd think there would be so much to explore and something new to being to the table, but it's all the same old tired regurgitated regular crime show stuff. At least the balloon man was a little fun at first. Even that had to end with a cliche.

So far all Gotham is doing is making me like Sleepy Hollow more. I'd give up on it at this point, but it gets played at my house anyway, so I'll just keep paying attention to the Penguin scenes and drawing during the rest.

[Yoda]

I saw the first couple of episodes and liked it okay, but (and this is the real test), when it came time to decide what to watch on a given night, I found myself preferring pretty much everything else I had on the DVR. I've got like three Gothams saved up now. I find it difficult to get excited about this.

To be fair, even great shows take awhile to find their footing most of the time, so I'll probably tough it out a bit. But it can be pretty tedious in the early going with these hour long dramas, as they find their bearings, in a way it's a lot less so with comedies, which are both shorter and usually have a couple of good bits even if they falter overall.

And yeah, I'm enjoying The Flash more, too. Being a bit more over the top has its drawbacks; it certainly caps the resonance your series can have, but there's usually a high floor of enjoyability, too.

Anyway, I'll probably keep watching, but you guys are a few ahead of me and it sounds like more of the same. It's a little tempting to bail and just decide I'll do a binge catchup if and when word gets around later that it's found its legs.

[The Rodent]

Just finished episode 2...


It's losing me. I started playing Angry Birds about halfway through while occasionally looking up to see what was happening.
Can't see me carrying on with it tbh.

[Nausicaä]

^ I enjoyed this second episode more than last weeks episode, it helped by having the wonderful Lili Taylor in as a right oddball - this actress would have been perfect for the role of Fish Mooney instead of Mrs Smith because she can do nasty rather well. Might be a bit bias though as Taylor is one of my favourites and I can't stand Smith. :)

[TheUsualSuspect]

Is Maroni and his goons dumb or something?

Do they not question how Penguin got the money in the first place? A: If he went back BEFORE the hit, he would have told the guys back there and they wouldn't be dead at the table. They were clearly caught by surprise, which leads to
B: There wouldn't be any money left had he been afterwards.

The first thing I said when he was in there with the money was that he set it up and they gave him the one bag to have, which is confirmed by the end.

[Godoggo]

^ I enjoyed this second episode more than last weeks episode, it helped by having the wonderful Lili Taylor in as a right oddball - this actress would have been perfect for the role of Fish Mooney instead of Mrs Smith because she can do nasty rather well. Might be a bit bias though as Taylor is one of my favourites and I can't stand Smith. :)

You and I seem to be in agreement about everything in this show. :)

I don't know why they cast Pinkett- Smith. It doesn't seem like her name would bring in the viewers, but maybe I'm wrong. She's just an awful actress. That part needed to be good.

[Darabont]

I will see it tomorrow, but episode four was amazing, it's the only serie that liked me

[jrs]

I'm enjoying Gotham a lot. The only thing that I'm curious about is that if the setting takes place in today's time, that would mean when Bruce does become "The Batman" (say in 40 years from the television show's state of presence) that would make it then 2054.

So by any chance "if" the show does eventually make it to The Batman era, will it be like Batman Beyond? :eek:

[Darabont]

AWESOME. The 5th was best that the last episode. I really enjoy this serie, and I understand what the people say with "I'm in love with a serie".

Comela toda, Breaking Bad.

[Gideon58]

Just finished Episode 3...Balloon man. Such a unique way of disposing of criminals, it really kind of creeped me out. Loving this show, and again I have to give a shout out to Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney and especially Robin Lord Taylor, who is absolutely brilliant as Oswald Cobblepot...this guy should be putting together an Emmy reel already.

[cinemajack]

It's a silly show, but I enjoy it. The cast is mostly good, though I wish they'd do more with Fish Mooney. Jada Pinkett Smith is really chewing scenery, and I love it, but generally they don't give her much to do except be overtly sexual. Ben McKenzie is great as Jim Gordon, and Donal Logue is almost always reliably good in whatever he's playing. The real standout is Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot, a guy I never expected to be all that into because he looks like the lead singer of a My Chemical Romance cover band.

This most recent episode was pretty entertaining. They're all sorta goofy, kinda like a blend of the Nolan Batman universe and the old 1960s Batman universe (Balloonman is most definitely the kind of villain Adam West would square off against).

Did anyone else laugh when that old dude on Viper picked the walker up above his head and bent it? That made me flip my ****, I was lol'ing so hard.

[gbgoodies]

It's a silly show, but I enjoy it. The cast is mostly good, though I wish they'd do more with Fish Mooney. Jada Pinkett Smith is really chewing scenery, and I love it, but generally they don't give her much to do except be overtly sexual.


I wish they would do more with Fish Mooney too. Like killing her off would be a good start. I think she's the worst character on the show.

[Gideon58]

It's a silly show, but I enjoy it. The cast is mostly good, though I wish they'd do more with Fish Mooney. Jada Pinkett Smith is really chewing scenery, and I love it, but generally they don't give her much to do except be overtly sexual. Ben McKenzie is great as Jim Gordon, and Donal Logue is almost always reliably good in whatever he's playing. The real standout is Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot, a guy I never expected to be all that into because he looks like the lead singer of a My Chemical Romance cover band.

This most recent episode was pretty entertaining. They're all sorta goofy, kinda like a blend of the Nolan Batman universe and the old 1960s Batman universe (Balloonman is most definitely the kind of villain Adam West would square off against).

Did anyone else laugh when that old dude on Viper picked the walker up above his head and bent it? That made me flip my ****, I was lol'ing so hard.
Totally agree with you regarding Jada Pinkett Smith...she is killing it as Fish Mooney. I also agree with you that Robin Lord Taylor is the best thing about this show right now. The Balloonman episode was awesome.

[Arcanis]

I wish they would do more with Fish Mooney too. Like killing her off would be a good start. I think she's the worst character on the show.

I completely agree. She's like Cirsei Lannister in the last two Song of Fire and Ice books, only without the dramatic irony of her terrible scheming being intentional.

[-KhaN-]

First of all,don't talk about books without a huge SPOILER TAG because I'm up to date with series but I just started book #3 so I didn't know if she will be alive by book 5...And Fish is worst character in my opinion.

[Optimus]

This show just seems to be getting better and better.

[90sAce]

Is this made by the same crew who made the Smallville TV show, because it sounds almost identical, just with.... Gotham (not that that's automatically a bad thing).

[jrs]

Is this made by the same crew who made the Smallville TV show...

No.

[MovieGal]

Just watched "Gotham" for this week on Hulu.. and surfing around about upcoming villains.. Im sooo glad they are doing Scarecrow soon.. He's my favorite DC Villain...

[MovieGal]

Per Wikipedia..

14 "The Fearsome Dr. Crane" February 2, 2015
15 "The Scarecrow" February 9, 2015

[gbgoodies]

Great News! Fish Mooney won't be in season two! :)

http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/jada-pinkett-smith-says-she-wont-be-returning-for-another-season-of-gotham-20150306


Jada Pinkett Smith Says She Won't Be Returning for Another Season of 'Gotham'

"the actress revealed on "Live! with Kelly and Michael" this morning that she will, in fact, not be returning for season 2 of "Gotham," saying that she signed up for 1 year, and the year is up, so, game over! What that suggests for her character, at the end of this season, is anyone's guess."

[Optimus]

I didn't mind her character. She brings sexy to the show.

[Optimus]

Gotham returned last night to the uk with a double episode and it was great. This is easily my favourite tv series at the moment.

[jrs]

Saw the other day online they're bringing the character of Luscious Fox to the show. Seems interesting. He first appeared in the comics back in 1940 in Batman # 307. I wonder how they're going to introduce him on Gotham.

[Optimus]

Wow, The Joker is awesome.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=b7_8EwGCKsE

[Gideon58]

Just finished watching the season 3 premiere and it was awesome...love that Jada Pinkett Smith is back as Fish Mooney and also love that Gordon is still on the job but not officially a cop. This show rules!

[gbgoodies]

Just finished watching the season 3 premiere and it was awesome...love that Jada Pinkett Smith is back as Fish Mooney and also love that Gordon is still on the job but not officially a cop. This show rules!


I hate Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney. I might even stop watching the show because of her.

[Camo]

I stopped watching about halfway through season 1 but yeah i hated Jada as Fish Mooney too.

[The Rodent]

The show lost me on episode 2 of season 1 :D

[Gideon58]

I hate Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish Mooney. I might even stop watching the show because of her.

You're not alone, GBG...there seems to be a lot of hate for the character on this board, but to be honest, Pinkett Smith has never really impressed me as an actress until this role.

[Gideon58]

The show lost me on episode 2 of season 1 :D

And yet you're still posting about it here?

[The Rodent]

Well, I'd forgotten about the show tbh but then someone bumped the thread so I thought I'd post.

[mack]

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gotham-inc/images/5/59/Hugo_Strange_and_Ethel_Peabody_-_Unleashed.png/revision/latest?cb=20160818072233

So. When Gotham first came out I could only watch one episode. I was not impressed. Then after forcing my way through a few more, it grew on me. Season 1 struggled, but it was … meh. Ok.

Now to season 2. I have to say that Gotham season 2 has done it. I don’t want to say that I am ROOTING for the villains (because that’d be so cliché – the season is called “Rise of the Villains”), but c’mon! Ya’ll know this season was ROTFL cheesy/funny.

But the REAL MVPs are our top team criminal duo: Professor Strange and Ms. Peabody. Their monotone villain banter should be the stuff of writing awards. I probably fell out laughing at least once an episode at some of their repartee. I mean – who came up with this stuff?? It was so cheesy that it was comic-book or animation like – and I think BD Wong and Tonya Pinkins really had great evil duo chemistry and gave their roles 100%. Funny because I know I’ve seen BD Wong in other more serious roles – nice to know he can have fun and not take himself too seriously.

[Gideon58]

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gotham-inc/images/5/59/Hugo_Strange_and_Ethel_Peabody_-_Unleashed.png/revision/latest?cb=20160818072233
But the REAL MVPs are our top team criminal duo: Professor Strange and Ms. Peabody. Their monotone villain banter should be the stuff of writing awards. I probably fell out laughing at least once an episode at some of their repartee. I mean – who came up with this stuff?? It was so cheesy that it was comic-book or animation like – and I think BD Wong and Tonya Pinkins really had great evil duo chemistry and gave their roles 100%. Funny because I know I’ve seen BD Wong in other more serious roles – nice to know he can have fun and not take himself too seriously.

I love Strange and Peabody...the offbeat casting choice of BD Wong as Strange was absolutely inspired...such an underrated actor.

[Gideon58]

The season 3 finale was nothing short of AMAZING!!! Can't wait to see where they go from here.

[Gideon58]

I'm three episodes into season 4 and as entertaining as this show continues to be, the storylines are getting overly complex and you need a scorecard to keep track of all the players. Still love Ben McKenzie and especially Robin Lord Taylor, who continues to do Emmy worthy work as the Penguin.

[Doolallyfrank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnOVP9TPQlg

Bane comes to Gotham

[John-Connor]

https://i.imgur.com/w9OT3PT.jpg