Any metal heads on this forum?

[evillemachine]

I'm into hard rock/metal/thrash.

[Guaporense]

Several. Heavy metal is one of the most popular music genres among internet nerds.

[The Gunslinger45]

\m/

[donniedarko]

Some people, including himself, consider Vinnie Paz metal. Does that count?

[Mr Minio]

Although not as much as I used to I still listen to a lot of metal, but I wouldn't call myself a metalhead. You know, I image metalhead to be kind of obsessed with the genre wearing some fancy shirts with band logos and hardly listening to anything else. Stereotype? Maybe, but I prefer my music more diverse, taste more eclectic and I don't like headbanging at all.

[Nausicaä]

Use to be obsessed with this kind of music when in high school and college and was more or less the only stuff I listened to but not so much now. I listen to all sorts now.

[evillemachine]

I love all sorts of music, Jazz, Blues, Classical, Ambient etc - but metal was my first love and is my favourite music by a mile. Its the hardest music on the planet to play, has the most soul, can take your emotions from extreme to another.

[Mr Minio]

Its the hardest music on the planet to play Besides guitar neck masturbation it's not that hard at all. Try playing some Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 on piano.

has the most soul Generalization. Listen to some classical or jazz musicians such as Hiromi Uehara. A lot of soul to be found there. Not saying metal has no soul. Many musicians put a lot of emotions into their playing, but some genres focus on agression more than on atmosphere. Agressive music can also be very spiritual, but to me there are other much more transcedencal genres out here.

can take your emotions from extreme to another. I like progressive music. Not progressive meaning the genre, but meaning complex song structures. That's why I love me some fancy "hipster" contemporary black metal that juxtaposes very deep, textured moments of tenderness with way more brutal, heavy, kicking elements.

[Sedai]

Huge metal fan, but I also like most other forms of music, too. There are actually multiple threads in the TV and Music forum here on the site dedicated to metal.

Favorite Metal Album (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=25839&highlight=Metal)

Doom and Black Metal (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=13159&highlight=Metal)

Although I gre up listening to all the classic bands from the NWOBHM and NWOAHM, I mostly listen to Melodic Death metal these days, my favorite in the genre being Dark Tranquillity. I also like In Flames (Clayman era) and some Folk/Death bands like Amorphis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvNyilzOKU

[irishphoenix83]

Love metal, recently came across these guys called Burzum, but I'm usually late to the game when it comes to music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bm-kdLwBVc

The Agonist is a good group, if you haven't heard of them a good introductory song would be "Business Suits and Combat Boots."

For me, rock and metal have always been my go to's. I'm really not that old, at all, and I have no idea what happened to mainstream rock. I know everyone has their own tastes and I appreciate that, but how in god's name can Maroon 5 be classified as "rock." And its not that I have anything against that group or Adam Levine, its more what they represent, to me thats the wuss-ification of our country. You have a guy covered in tats, heroine thin, walking like he's about to knock someone out, but when he opens his mouth to sing, it literally sounds like a woman, and a beautiful woman at that. And Im not even trying to debate music style or anything like that, I just don't know what anyone is really singing about anymore, every "new" song out there is either about a break up, getting drunk in the club...or....honestly I don't think there's anything else. I think mainstream music has become so homogenized, along with the whole "tolerance" movement our country has been on, that music itself has lost its edge. And I think music has also suffered from the accessibility of it. Everyone wants to be an artist, everyone wants to be famous, everyone wants a song on youtube or to upload their song to itunes, everyone thinks he/she should have a reality show because they are important, everyone with a camera is a director, etc,etc I was in middle school when Guns N Roses Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 were released on cassette, and I was so excited with music then. Thats about the same time when the Metallica black album came out, so for me, that kind of started it all. Jeez and Nirvana was great, I mean are there really any really grand rock or metal bands anymore? For me in the last 6 years, I have been discovering Metal, like real Metal though, because frankly, I don't get the hipster craze or the look or the idea, I see young kids walking around everywhere dressing like they are dick broke but holding 700 dollar iphones, tapping away, "getting things done" on a multi billion dollar infrastructure with the assitance of a product who's company has a 500 hundred dollar stock price, but they want to pretend they are down to earth and just real salt of the earth, calm, relaxed people. Personally, I don't care either way, its just funny to me to see the ludicrous nature of the young american and they hypocrisy of human nature.

ugh..but anyways...EVILLEMACHINE, if you have some good metal recommendations, please send them my way!

[Sedai]

I felt the same, and sort of got away from metal for quite a few years, because the genre seemed to be stuck...until Wintertriangles from this here site recommended some newer bands to me.

Check out the DT track I posted above and then check these out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc1B5TN1Cjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MzvdmN1u6A

You mentioned Agonist, so check these guys out, featuring another harsh female vocalist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrSqeS8Ya-E

[irishphoenix83]

Sedai, thank for the recommends brother, I liked that DT and Amorphis, and Im going to have to do start doing some downloading with Arch Enemy. I'm a sucker for those harsh female vocalist, like agonist and otep, not sure if you have heard of I Wrestled a Bear Once, i can only get into one song of there's, but since I have a feeling you will get this reference I'll share. This track reminds me of a thrashy Sonic Youth song, and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way, but in how they were more structure-less technically and claimed to be avant garde rock....just for kicks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwgMMtgSTVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwgMMtgSTVE

[j751]

I used to like White Snake once.Now I prefer softer music.

[Sedai]

Catchy Tune!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_wPqwgH7hI

[Guaporense]

Besides guitar neck masturbation it's not that hard at all. Try playing some Rachmaninoff Concerto No. 3 on piano.

It is certainly the hardest genre of rock music to play. Or do you think that Ramones is hard to play?

Generalization. Listen to some classical or jazz musicians such as Hiromi Uehara. A lot of soul to be found there. Not saying metal has no soul. Many musicians put a lot of emotions into their playing, but some genres focus on agression more than on atmosphere. Agressive music can also be very spiritual, but to me there are other much more transcedencal genres out here.

He was obviously comparing to other genres of popular music. Classical music and perhaps even Jazz are not considered popular music. Regular people don't tend to listen to these genres.

I like progressive music. Not progressive meaning the genre, but meaning complex song structures.

And yet you like rap.

That's why I love me some fancy "hipster" contemporary black metal that juxtaposes very deep, textured moments of tenderness with way more brutal, heavy, kicking elements.

So, compared to the rest of popular music, metal is usually much more complex (with some exceptions).

[Guaporense]

I felt the same, and sort of got away from metal for quite a few years, because the genre seemed to be stuck...until Wintertriangles from this here site recommended some newer bands to me.

And how that's relevant? The good stuff is all from the 1980's anyway. I don't listen to post 2000 stuff regularly and when it is new stuff is from the old masters.

For me Judas Priest perfected popular music between 1976 and 1978. After those years what all bands have to do is to learn these albums and play in the same way. Any wide deviation from the gold standard is sub-optimal. :D

[Mr Minio]

It is certainly the hardest genre of rock music to play. Is metal a subgenre of rock music? Well, it depends on how you perceive such things as music types and genres, but to me it's become a genre of its own really long ago. Not to mention dozens of (sub?)subgenres.

He was obviously comparing to other genres of popular music. Classical music and perhaps even Jazz are not considered popular music. Regular people don't tend to listen to these genres. Well, I feel like a regular guy and I listen to these genres. Does it mean I'm irregular? xD

And yet you like rap. Firstly, saying I like something doesn't mean I don't like anything else at the same time. Secondly, I only like a very tiny percent of rap outta here.

[wintertriangles]

And how that's relevant? The good stuff is all from the 1980's anyway. I don't listen to post 2000 stuff regularly and when it is new stuff is from the old masters. After those years what all bands have to do is to learn these albums and play in the same way. Any wide deviation from the gold standard is sub-optimal. :DYou are an utter fool.

[Guaporense]

Use to be obsessed with this kind of music when in high school and college and was more or less the only stuff I listened to but not so much now. I listen to all sorts now.

When I was in high school I only listened to Iron Maiden. Not only metal but only Iron Maiden!

But after some time I opened my eyes to other metal bands besides Iron Maiden and now I listen to many different metal band as long as they play in similar style to the gold standard defined by Judas Priest. I don't care that much about new stuff like Melodic Death metal but sometimes it is interesting.

I don't think I will ever manage to care much about non-metal popular music. It's only slower, lighter, less complex, less powerful, played with less skill, etc. However I find some classical music to be superior in some ways but not other genres of popular music.

[Mr Minio]

And how that's relevant? The good stuff is all from the 1980's anyway. I don't listen to post 2000 stuff regularly and when it is new stuff is from the old masters. For me Judas Priest perfected popular music between 1976 and 1978. After those years what all bands have to do is to learn these albums and play in the same way. Any wide deviation from the gold standard is sub-optimal. :D

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.446381.1314593570!/img/httpImage/alg-judas-priest-rob-halford-jpg.jpg

[Mr Minio]

I don't think I will ever manage to care much about non-metal popular music. It's only slower, lighter, less complex, less powerful, played with less skill, etc. However I find some classical music to be superior in some ways but not other genres of popular music.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpN4frSdRo-sCyDvFzYtM_M5mcpfiDTEaHgTKaV3x46-16ya1O

[Sedai]

And how that's relevant? The good stuff is all from the 1980's anyway. I don't listen to post 2000 stuff regularly and when it is new stuff is from the old masters.

For me Judas Priest perfected popular music between 1976 and 1978. After those years what all bands have to do is to learn these albums and play in the same way. Any wide deviation from the gold standard is sub-optimal. :D

Horse ****, mister. So, no more progress in the genre, ever? There is a whole boatload of amazing metal out there right now, and I would say metal is a genre that you can argue is progressing and changing more than most other genres of music. Keep on listening to Screaming for Vengeance, I will be over here, expanding my horizons.

Always.

[Guaporense]

It's just my taste. My favorite type of metal is the one that follows the most closely the pure heavy metal of Judas Priest from 1976 to 1978 (actually not the style of Screaming for Vengeance which I find inferior to their most classic stuff).

Stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_mpt8xyZVI&list=PLBC8CCE4B30E18146
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLIx5m4YYYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKpsDdmv6OA&list=PL9633E20026869858
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eySokKocY0&list=PL9633E20026869858&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWd9hoBOwI

There are many metal bands who also agree and continue to play the same type of music set by the standards of Judas Priest (Iron Savior, Running Wild, Accept, Helloween, Gamma Ray, etc). The fans of black metal criticise these bands

Sendai, you should learn to respect tastes different from ours. Not everybody thinks that innovation for the sake of innovation is a good thing (specially in art, where 99.9% of all innovation leads to sh*t). According to my tastes, the best popular music ever made was made following the principles set by JP between 1976 and 1978. Maybe I will find something else that I like more but it hasn't happened yet.

I gave up on actually trying to listen to recent metal because I noticed that I enjoy listening to the old stuff again way more. Different people, different tastes. I hope that someday you will find a style of music that you like as much as I like classical heavy metal (that day you will understand me).

[Guaporense]

You are an utter fool.

Why such irrational aggression? I don't say you are a fool because you enjoy a different subgenre of metal than I do. Different people have different tastes.

I particularly like the pure heavy metal style of Judas Priest in their classical period and early developments such as speed metal, early thrash metal and early power metal (notice that the first Helloween and Slayer albums sound almost the same!).

Early Helloween:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRV4CYI7V7c
Early Slayer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9xkUY78G14

After some time the bands diverged greatly:

Helloween:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BP-_-LWV80&list=PL70EABC6608C07B3D
Slayer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wryZf3VyrnU&list=PL4D14DF7FF2ADD375

The quality of metal in it's peak popularity around 1985 hasn't been ever matched, for me. The deviations that happened were usually for the worse. Helloween's 1993 album is even actual metal while Slayer ceased doing metal from 1994 through 2006.

Today classical heavy metal lives on mostly in Melodic Death Metal and Power Metal. Death and Black Metal diverged to such a great extent that some of the stuff made today barely qualifies as metal (there are some albums that don't even use guitars).

[TylerDurden99]

I was a "metal head" when I first started high school, and I've started revisiting it recently. I'm not much of a metal head now, I only really listen to Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Anthrax, Judas Priest and, on occasion, some early Slipknot. I've tried getting into some others, like Pantera and In Flames, but I can't get into them.

I also have a large, guilt-free affection for hair metal. There's some undeniable fun to be found in the music of Def Leppard, Whitesnake, Motley Crue and the like.

[Sedai]

Went to the Dark Tranquillity show last night - so amazing! Omnium Gatherum was also great.

[wintertriangles]

Went to the Dark Tranquillity show last night - so amazing! Omnium Gatherum was also great.
Setlist please? I didn't know Omnium Gatherum was still around.

[Sedai]

DT Set:

The Science of Noise
White Noise/Black Silence
Monochromatic Stains
Lost to Apathy
The Fatalist
The Silence In Between
Zero Distance
The Mundane and the Magic
Punish my Heaven
The Wonders at Your Feet
What Only You Know
Iridium
Terminus
There In
State of Trust
Final Resistance

Encore
Lethe
Endtime Hearts
Misery's Crown

OG Set:

Luoto
New Dynamic
New World Shadows
The Sonic Sign
Soul Journeys
Living in Me
The Unknowing
Nail
Deep Cold

[Deadite]

Morbid Angel. Close thread.

[Sedai]

Sendai, you should learn to respect tastes different from ours. Not everybody thinks that innovation for the sake of innovation is a good thing (specially in art, where 99.9% of all innovation leads to sh*t). According to my tastes, the best popular music ever made was made following the principles set by JP between 1976 and 1978. Maybe I will find something else that I like more but it hasn't happened yet.

I gave up on actually trying to listen to recent metal because I noticed that I enjoy listening to the old stuff again way more. Different people, different tastes. I hope that someday you will find a style of music that you like as much as I like classical heavy metal (that day you will understand me).


First off, it's SEDAI. SAID-eye. ;)

OK Guap - I hear ya. However, once again you take this stance when talking as if you have achieved some superior position or knowledge, and poor little Sedai has to catch up in some way - once again in matters of subjective taste. My contention was that the genre is still progressing - less subjective, to be sure (but still fairly subjective).

Can you talk to people without trying to make them feel small? Serious question. I mean, I play multiple instruments, taught guitar and music theory in general for years throughout the 90s and 2000s, and I respect and listen to pretty much all genres of music. Not only do I respect the bands you listed, I have seen many of them live, including Judas Priest. I never criticized those bands. However, I was listening to them in 1981...and I tend to believe in progress. I don't think those bands broke the mold, and if they did, and that is all metal has to offer, the genre is a complete failure. We both know that isn't true, right?

My previous comment admittedly could have been worded a little better/nicer, so allow me to apologize for being rude. Sorry man! I will try to explain things in more clearly in the future.

But saying stuff like "I hope you someday find music you like etc etc so you will understand" sounds REALLY condescending, as if I am some musical neophyte that just heard music for the first time, when in fact, I was listening to the bands you love at live shows before you were even born.

I understand you know your ****, and you are obviously intelligent, but try to realize other people ALSO know their ****. I actually think we are a lot a like in some ways, which is probably why we have trouble communicating here and there. I know I can be a dick sometimes, too...

Rock on, man! \M/ \M/

[Guaporense]

Sorry for that post. I am a bit hyperbolic in this forum. It's sort of a character that I play (ed). From now on I will be more serious about what I post.

Speaking seriously I would say that I like classical heavy metal more than other subgenres of metal but I actually like albums from bands over all the spectrum. Just the number of albums that I like tends to cluster more around the classical style (and it's closely related speed/power/thrash).

Interesting that you understand music that deeply. I didn't know that. Sorry for my lack of politeness and sensitivity.