View Full Version : 2013 MoFo Fantasy Football - The Regular Season
Well, we drafted a little early this year so we've still got a little over three weeks until the games, but feel free to babble in here about preseason developments and stuff.
Not too much going on; huge false alarms (it appears for now) with both Jamaal Charles and Tom Brady. Both should be fine for the time being.
Took a bit of a chance in going with Eddie Lacy as my RB2 so I could load up elsewhere, and so far it looks like a solid choice, as he's in line to be the clear #1 running back on one of football's best offenses. Still got the whole season ahead of us, though, so we'll see how it shakes out. But with Rodgers, Cobb, and Lacy, I might be living or dying with the Pack for a bit. I can certainly think of worse teams to tie my offensive fortunes to, though it might be worthwhile to diversify at some point.
How's everyone else feeling? It's 14 teams, so pretty much everyone's got a starter they're a little iffy about, or will be after the first couple of games.
As I said before Le'Veon Bell is a big question mark for me. For me, I would stay away from RBs that play for New Orleans, New England, and Green Bay. Things change though so ya nevah kno'.
Im pretty excited about Antonio Gates. With Malcom Floyd spraining his knee, Danario Alexander out for the season :facepalm:, and the rest of the WR corps being untested rookies Im hoping Rivers to Gates becomes the hottest tandem in the NFL again. At least it was in 2011 till Gates got hurt. Ooooh, if Gates could stay healthy a whole season.
Along with Jimmy Graham, Fitz, Muscle Hamster, and Mike Williams who should flourish when VJ gets double covered, I feel my offense may surprise to the good.
jiraffejustin
08-15-13, 12:26 PM
I'll go through my whole team here:
QBs:
Eli Manning - Last year I had the first pick in the draft, but there was no clear cut consensus #1 back. I took Aaron Rodgers. Then when it was my turn to draft in the second round, there was slim pickings for backs. I considered that a lesson learned the hard way. There isn't much difference between second tier and third tier QBs in fantasy anymore, so I'm fine with Eli as my starter. I drafted him in the 7th round.
Jay Cutler - To me Cutler seems on the cusp of being a pretty good QB1. I think all he needs is a consistent offensive line. If they put it together, Cutler will either be good enough to take Eli's job or make for interesting trade bait.
RBs:
Jamaal Charles - Getting 1,500 yards off of an ACL tear would have been some kind of record, but there is another guy out there who did a little better last year. Jamaal's false alarm earlier in the week scared me a little bit, but Jamaal is usually very durable. I'm a huge Longhorn fan, and I've been watching him since his days wearing the burnt orange. I don't remember him ever being hurt there or since he's been in the league. Other than the ACL obviously. Andy Reid coming to Kansas City means that Jamaal won't be playing musical running backs anymore. Todd Haley seemed to love that game. I hated it with a passion, because the ultra-talented Charles had to give up way too many reps to guys way less talented than he. Andy Reid loves getting the ball to his running backs in the passing game as well, check out Brian Westbrook and Lesean McCoy's receiving stats for evidence. The biggest thing I noticed though was Jamaal getting a goal line carry in the preseason game and scoring the touchdown. To me this is huge, because if he wasn't going to do it in the regular season, there was no way Andy was letting him take that risk in the preseason.
Reggie Bush - I drafted him in the third round. I feel like I might have reached maybe. I don't know though, because he will be way more involved in this Lion's offense than any other he has been on. He is an injury risk, but I am intrigued by his upside.
Danny Woodhead - I drafted him in the 8th round. I think I might have gotten some real value with him. He will most likely already be the third down back. He can catch the ball well. Ryan Mathews is pretty terrible and always gets hurt. Danny Woodhead has looked good in the past, and reports indicate he's looked good in camp. You can take that for what you will, but I expect him to start some games this year.
Giovani Bernard - 9th round pick. I consider him a high-potential rookie back. If he gets enough playing time he could be worth something. If not, oh well. 9th round picks usually don't win your championship anyway.
Pierre Thomas - 10th round pick for a back that will fill in during a bye week and might score a td to go with 40-50 rushing yards at best. So a possible 11 point scorer for a bye week.
Lance Dunbar - Dropped my 16th round pick to add Dunbar off the waivers. Murray will get hurt. Dunbar is currently #2 on the depth chart, and he has looked good. I expect him to start at least two games this year, and both times he will be in my starting lineup as well.
WRs/TEs
Brandon Marshall - Another year, another 100+ catch season. Marshall is an absolute stud.
Jason Witten - This might have been a bit of a homer pick, but I am expecting an even bigger year for Witten than he had last season. Another 100 receptions, but I am expecting 6-7 TDs out of him.
Pierre Garcon - When he and RGIII were on the field together, he caught a lot of deep balls. More of that please.
Miles Austin - 6th round pick on a guy that will either miss half the season again, or put up big numbers again (relative to his draft position.) Flip a coin.
Kendall Wright - WRs typically make a big jump from their rookie year to their second year.
Rob Housler - Now that Arizona has a QB it's safe to draft somebody other than Fitzy.
K
Justin Tucker - It might have seemed like a total homer move last season when I was telling everybody about how good Tucker was going to be once the Ravens signed him. He was awesome last year, and in the preseason he's already hit a 57 yarder.
Def.
Redskins - meh. But at least they play the turnover machine Mike Vick in week one.
Even though I dont like to get GB, NE, or NO RBs I had to pick up Green Bays Dujuan Harris as hes considered to be the starter, at least for now.
The question about teams like that is whether or not their approach to running backs is actually something they do deliberately, or something that's been forced on them by their personnel. In some cases the head coach clearly likes to rotate backs and/or play the "hot hand," but on teams like Green Bay it seems to me that they just haven't had the right back to roll with; when they had someone like Ryan Grant, back when he was playing well, they gave him the bulk of the work. So the "stay away" factor was a reflection of their personnel, not their philosophy.
And, of course, teams are like this until they're not, as was the case with Ridley and New England last year. That's precisely why they represent such great potential value.
Yeah I read one article stating he was the starter, grabbed him, and then found alot more articles lauding your guy as the heir apparent. Oh well, figure I can afford to drop Jake Locker to see how it pans out.
Oh screw all this polite mess! Who has the best roster from the draft?!
I think the 4 best going into the season are Dionne (A Denver driven offense is a dangerous thing. Trust me.) , Mud Dogs, Mike, and Lisa.
I like my team a lot, with the obvious durability issue with a QB I pretty much reached for; RGIII needs to do well for me to do well. My swing is a bit weak, as well.
I'll go with Mike. Other than his I think you can make a good argument for lots. It's almost impossible to say before the season has started though.
DexterRiley
08-17-13, 01:54 PM
I like my team a lot, with the obvious durability issue with a QB I pretty much reached for; RGIII needs to do well for me to do well. My swing is a bit weak, as well.
Flex is fine here, im hoping hoping wishing wishing Vick can rock it like a Hurricane in the new Eagles system. (and stay reasonably healthy). If he does, look out.
DexterRiley
08-17-13, 01:58 PM
Also Carried over from Draft day thread
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8161/pedf.jpg
And Mike, its from www.fantasypros.com
FYI guys, the league site just got a sleek makeover.
Yeah and it looks tough! I thought I accidentaly hit a button somewhere or something at first. Very slick.
I just joined a 20 team pubic league. Im curious what its like! Not only will somebody have Nate Burleson on their roster, but theyll probably be starting him too. Itll be a Autopick Draft thingy to add to the chaos lol!
Man I guess I really am ready for some football. CMON SEPTEMBER!
FYI guys, the league site just got a sleek makeover.
Yeah I got mad at first - cause well I hate change.. then I calmed myself and figured if I win it is because I am a good, not because yahoo likes to look cool n stuff...
DexterRiley
08-25-13, 10:03 PM
FYI guys, the league site just got a sleek makeover.
yeah im not a fan. Way too much info at the fingertips.
Piledriver
08-26-13, 04:59 PM
This is what we are all playing for peeps!!!! :D
Nice picture! Thanks for posting that man. We wanna get a nice winner's wall going after another year or two.
Piledriver
08-26-13, 05:11 PM
No problem Yods, sorry it took so long, it's been crazy for me the last few weeks with work and everything else, but all that aside, I'm getting excited for the new season!!! :)
Good pic of Petey!
So Chris if we are gonna have a winners wall will you be posting your photo multiple times or just once with the dates won? ;)
I think separate photos would be fun, but we'll see. This is only the third trophy; we didn't have one the first two years.
DexterRiley
08-26-13, 09:19 PM
Nice picture! Thanks for posting that man. We wanna get a nice winner's wall going after another year or two.
speaking of which, i completely forgot to mention the dvd thing. Ideally it would be agreed upon pre-draft, but id be cool saying yay pre 1st week of action.
What say u?
Dex- Yes i will commit to sending a DVD to the Champ providing he is among those that said YAY.
I'll commit if we get at least, say, 5 other owners to commit as well.
jiraffejustin
08-26-13, 09:45 PM
So if I say "Yay" what exactly am I committing to? Sending the champion a dvd of my choice?
I don't completely understand either.
Proximity
08-26-13, 10:03 PM
missed out on this for the second year in a row
Yeah, it's "send the winner a DVD of your choice." Though obviously, you only have to if one of the other people who agreed to do it wins the league.
jiraffejustin
08-26-13, 10:49 PM
I'm in then. The winner better be prepared for a copy of Battlefield Earth. Unless of course I win.
Don't worry, if you win I'll give you a copy of Battlefield Earth, then, too. So either way it'll be involved.
Cool. I'm up for that but keep Battlefield Earth and consider it a re-gift.
jiraffejustin
08-26-13, 11:03 PM
Don't worry, if you win I'll give you a copy of Battlefield Earth, then, too. So either way it'll be involved.
It looks as if my evil was turned against me. Fighting fire with fire will get you burnt, and I am now offering you my best players in return for your worst. I don't want the horror of accidentally unwrapping that lurid turd again.
Powdered Water
08-27-13, 02:55 AM
I'm in on this thing right up in here.
I'm in, too! Here's everyone so far:
Yoda
TONGO
Sedai
jiraffe
seanc
PW
Dex
Still time for anyone else to jump in. :)
I will tell LT to check MoFo when she gets a chance!
I'm in, but only because I know I am going to win it all.
Dang i dont know about my team. No Im not looking to trade anymore, but there are some question marks and risks.
So Drew Brees, Doug Martin, Jimmy Graham, and Antonio Gates should be great. With this now being 1/2PPR my strengths are diminished some, and would help carry what Ill describe now.
The "I hope they do well" category belongs to Larry Fitzgerald who had a craaaaaaap season last year, but Carson Palmers there now.
Anquan Boldin who is supposed to be WR1 in San Francisco, but I dont knoooow.
Whoever it is Im playing in my RB2 slot. Right now between Bilal Powell & Knowshon Moreno.
Makes a man want to try and go upgrade his kicker :p
Cardinals line looks pretty weak, so Palmer is going to get hung out to dry in a couple games.
Boldin is still one of the best WRs after the catch - just as long as he gets looks and makes catches! He's great - I wouldn't worry too much there.
Moreno is BAD NEWS, just like the rest of the Denver backfield.
What do you guys think of doing the draft next year closer to opening day. This. Wait. Sucks. Plus we'd be able to get a couple weeks more intel (LeVeon Bell my balls). Sigh! Im ready for some football NOW! :)
rauldc14
08-29-13, 02:27 PM
Eh, you just have to draft smart. The guy was a risk even prior to that injury. He could still be valuable later on.
It's a mixed bag. If you draft earlier there are more risks, but more potential value, too. It does favor the more informed owners a a little, but I think that's probably good given how random fantasy football can otherwise be.
That, and we're all anxious to draft anyway, so it lets it feel like the season's started a little earlier. :)
Powdered Water
08-29-13, 10:55 PM
I have no idea if my team will be any good. I see a lot of potential upside. But who knows? I am thinking though, that, if I suck again this year, I'm gonna go back to auto drafting. I haven't had a real good team since my first I reckon.
Welp, the Patriots cut Tim Tebow. Im actually surprised his passing hadnt improved whatsoever. Im a Tebow believer, but if you cant pass you cant play. Theres no exceptions to that and for good reason. The Jacksonville Jaguars should sign him. Florida adores Tebow, he's from Jacksonville, and he'd sell tickets. Seems like a good fit.
if you cant pass you cant play.
http://www.azcardinals.com/assets/images/imported/ARI/photos/article/MainAugust10/SkeltonFeetchMain.jpg
Yeah! Even John Skeltons a better passer.
DexterRiley
08-31-13, 10:02 PM
I'm stoked about my team. Waiting on a QB allowed me to stock up on Quality backs, and here me now, Vick is returning to Top 6 status.
(just slide or get the hell out of bounds Mike)
http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/0619/com_120619_nfl_Top25PlayoffList.jpg
Plastic Pads & Iron Men
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Drew Brees - Should be awesome. Maybe even better than last year if thats even possible. His head coach is back yknow, and I cant think that'd be a detriment.
http://thesportsgurus.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/larry-fitzgerald.jpg
Larry Fitzgerald - Carson Palmers a good quarterback. Fitz is as good as ANY wide receiver, yes even Megatron. I have confidence.
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/23/11/67/5021123/3/628x471.jpg
Anquan Boldin - With Fitz & Boldin I somehow have stumbled across the heart of the receiving corps of the St Louis Cardinals when they last went to the super bowl with Kurt Warner. He's capable of being a WR1 even, but I just wished he caught more balls from Kapernick in the offseason. I am a little nervous. Just a little.
http://thenewsportsguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/doug-martin.jpg
Doug Martin - Oh yeeeeeah! I am in unadulterated homer bliss! :) Sad that I have a RB2 problem, but it sure as hell aint a RB1 one. Not only am I happy to have gotten Martin, but I think he has a realistic shot at being the biggest point earner overall for all RBs. Sweetness.
RB 2 I dont know whose photo to post?! GLARING HOLE!!! Me no likey.
http://sports-kings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jimmygraham1.jpg
Jimmy Graham - I dont know who Drew Brees's 1 targets gonne be this season, but I do know whose gonna be the #1 tight end overall. Brees & Drew continue a legacy of great connectors on my squads. Favre to Harvin, Rivers to Gates, and speaking of Gates...
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1215/pg2_g_gates2x_600.jpg
Antonio Gates - Back in 2011 Rivers to Gates was the #1 combo in all the NFL. Then Gates got hurt again. Hes hall of fame for sure, but older. This man is FINALLY healthy, and is now the #1 target in San Diego with all the injury disasters theyve sustained. Can Philip Rivers step up is the question.
Kickers & Defense rotate between Rian Lindell / Baltimore in MoFo League, and Justin Tucker / Tampa Bay in the Jungle.
Now isnt my team cool?! :D
Now theyre saying Bilal Powells the starting RB for the Jets. WTF?! I have Powell and cant even understand that decision. Coach Ryans gonna be canned after this season I bet.
jiraffejustin
09-03-13, 09:56 PM
Chris Ivory has had a hamstring injury and a poor preseason. Bilal Powell has at least looked serviceable. But yeah, Rex is probably gone in the middle of the season or at the end of it.
rauldc14
09-03-13, 10:49 PM
Yes talent wise Fitzgerald is for sure near the top, but it's for the Arizona, not St. Louis cardinals
Get those line-ups ready, folks! Just one more day!!
Word. And tomorrow's the last chance to get in on the DVD thingy...
jiraffejustin
09-04-13, 08:59 PM
Is anybody interested in Trent Richardson?
EDIT: Posted in the wrong thread.
Powdered Water
09-04-13, 11:17 PM
Was I in? Can't remember. But the wife and I are in. We'll only be sending out one DVD though, so tough luck. Life is hard and all that.
So how does it work if one of you wins? Which one of us doesn't have to send you one? :p
Powdered Water
09-04-13, 11:22 PM
Well, I certainly know how it will go if my lovely bride wins. That's for sure. ;)
I doubt that's, uh...applicable to any of us. Anyway, duh, you can't get two chances to win and only risk one. :p So if you guys are sending one jointly, then you'll have to pick which one of your teams is participating. I fully expect this decision to result in you sleeping on the couch, the way Mike does when his team beats LT's.
Was I in? Can't remember. But the wife and I are in. We'll only be sending out one DVD though, so tough luck. Life is hard and all that.
No! Sorry, no couples rule allowed.
LT and I both send DVDs, so you guys both send DVDs. :)
I fully expect this decision to result in you sleeping on the couch, the way Mike does when his team beats LT's.
When my fiance is mad at me, I always tell her that the couch is actually pretty comfy and my X-Box is out there. That probably should get me in bigger trouble, but somehow it never does. :)
LMAO the couch is quite comfortable I am told!
rauldc14
09-05-13, 09:10 PM
If not too late, I'd like to opt in for thedvd thing. I have a DVD I'm dying to give away:)
Powdered Water
09-05-13, 09:58 PM
Ok, we're both in on the DVD thing. Sorry for the mix up.
Bilal Powells been tabbed the starter, but its vs Tampa and were tough on the run. Now I see Knowshon Moreno got the start for Denver tonight. Somehow bumped into 2 starting RBs off waivers even though I lost 2 before the season. I shouldnt bitch cause thats a rare turn of fortune. Lets see if they can keep their spots now....
rauldc14
09-05-13, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't expect a jet and a running back in a John Fox offense to keep their starting job, but ya Neva know
Yeahhhhh. Welker with a HUGE game.
Yeah no crap. It aint over yet either. :eek:
My defense could have had 6 more points, but nooooo. Anyway I feel pretty good about the Bronc's. Defense could have been better early on, but they got in the groove.
Disappointing that Decker and Ball fell short, but they did get touches and I think that will continue.
Over I am feeling good - but still.
I have Manning in my other league, and he got me almost FIFTY points...and he only gets 4 per TD, too... Dude went off. I take it 7th has him in this league?
PW: Hey man, I was just playing around about the DVD thing - hope you didn't take it too seriously! All in good fun. :)
Yeah, Manning went off. Nuts. I was a little unsure about drafting Welker, but now I'm glad I did, because it looks like that team's gonna be lighting it up all year.
Also, 11 people in for the DVD thing! Nice. Tied for the most we've ever had, I think. Somebody's gonna get quite the haul.
Yeah, I'm glad to took Demaryius Thomas. He notched 30 points. Unbelievable.
I thought Welker was gonna hit 30 points too at the pace he was going. Wes Welkers had Tom Brady and now Peyton Manning throwing to him. His career numbers are going to end up being exceptional. Watch out for Denver.
Yeah, he almost caught a third TD twice!
But yeah, truth be told I had my doubts about his shift to Denver at first. Obviously, those are soothed after last night. It's pretty difficult to imagine him not getting a steady stream of targets week in and week out.
I am playing Petey in my NoFunLeague and he did NOT like lining up vs Manning this week. ;)
Meanwhile in MoFo league, Sookie got EXACTLY what was predicted out of Smith last night, almost to the 10th of a point.
rauldc14
09-06-13, 11:11 PM
We will see you guys in week 2....week one over for me
Tomorrows the big day! This should be sweet. Im curious what sports show you all watch or listen to on game day, if any?
Ive been a big fan of the ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown 10am-1pm show.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JKD5BZC4VY8/TQuPQLfR_4I/AAAAAAAAOm0/fryohfe0Rnk/s640/blog+219.jpg
That is the one I watch as well. Not a fan of the network pre-game shows.
I don't usually watch pregame shows, except in the background for last minute updates on injuries and stuff, and even then I tend to get it online.
As it is I end up watching StatTracker for hours. I'm giving serious thought to putting a cap on it, or to skipping it altogether some days. If not all year (since it's questionable how much value there is in it, except in tiny ways by getting a sense for which performances might have a little flukier, I guess), then probably at least once I've decided my lineup is roughly settled. I'd be curious to see how it affects my judgment to learn the results in big chunks, rather than as it all happens.
I miss Inside the NFL - the original stuff
Powdered Water
09-08-13, 04:10 AM
I've been watching ESPN since way back in the day. And I still very much miss NFL Primetime.
So how much longer until TONGO sees someone on his bench happened to get a TD or something and says "FACK"?
Nah, no Fack here. Halftime for 1:00 games and Ive definitely started slow though.
Bell might be a leaching handcuff to Reggie Bush though. :)
DAYUM! Joique Bells is ripping it up today! Just got another TD on my bench!
As Chris Carter would say, "Reggie Bush! WHERE YOU AT?!"
Bush had a 1-year TD called back or something, and Bell got the next carry.
But then Stafford threw a 77-yard TD to Bush, so...
Well I guess thats where hes at.
AUGH! I hate when my team doesnt score! Chris/Yodas got Rodgers/Cobb/Lacy, San Fran, and a kicker Ive never heard of yet to go, and right now Im sitting at 56.90 to his 28.90 :eek: Ill have Fitz & Boldin later, and Gates tomorrow but am not sure itll be enough.
Based on reasonable projections we'd be pretty close right now, given your lead and the remaining players.
That touchdown throw from Rodgers to Cobb was the weakest TD Ive ever seen! WEAK!
I missed it. What was weak?
Cobb caught it and stretched his body like a yogi and got juuuuuust the tip of the football on the white line, and barely! Then its immediately swatted out of his hand, but they called it a touchdown.
Boldin and Fitz both have caught TDs. Scores 94.58 to Yodas 61.76. I feel alot better, but still in the woods.
Yeah, and it looks like half my lineup might be no-shows. Not looking great. I'll probably need another Rodgers/Cobb hookup to pull this one out.
They keep throwing to Boldin and Fitz gets another TD. Oy. Need a huge fourth quarter to have any chance, but I think this is just a lost week.
Yeah Fitz doing great could be understood beforehand, but I didnt see Anquan Boldins day coming. Huge! Glad I got the win. Lacy & Cobb seem to be the goods. May want to make a play for Jordy Nelson as he seems to be the #1 target, if theres such a thing with Rodgers.
http://www.juanelway.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Image-9-8-13-at-12.43-PM-500x280.png
On the flipside - A handcuff RB on my bench Joique Bell outperformed all my starting runners. By a whole lot. Im glad I have Doug Martin, but straight from this Bucs fans lips, Doug Martins no Adrian Peterson :nope: Holy crap but did All Day establish himself again throughout the NFL today! Monster.
Hopefully Knowshon Morenos gonna win the 3 way RB war in Denver, or LeVeon Bell plays suddenly and hes the next Arian Foster.............joy!
Huh?! Sorry I dozed off there.
Funny thing I realized about my team. My nicknames not a keeper. Ok so PWs Boom is a good shortism for PWs team. I usually call Yodas team 11AM, but when I come up with a nickname for Plastic Pads & Iron Men, I think Plastic Men.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OF6coQWgfUg/T8wE49rHQfI/AAAAAAAACEw/DJQODMx0_Pc/s1600/plastic+man+stamp.jpg
Thats not good.
Dang!!! I can't say I am mad at my team, because they are doing what they are supposed to, going off a bit.... the Mud Dogs just went off a bit more, is all....
I still have a VERY slim chance, but I would need huge nights from both RG3 and Owen Daniels...
Meanwhile, in my other league, I am ahead by a good 50 points... lol
Once again, pre season rankings and draft analysis completely turned on its head.
Back to this **** again! Drinking will now be on Monday, Thursdays, and Sundays.
If Antonio Gates does well tonight I may have the best fantasy football team on my hands that I have ever had from Week 1.
Am liking it.
Apprently, I have the best team that lost...
133 points and I lose... :-/
Powdered Water
09-10-13, 08:18 PM
Wow. Two massive failures at running back. That's not awesome.
DexterRiley
09-10-13, 09:47 PM
weak showing from key guys in week 1, but seeing Vick Prosper under the new coach, was wicked awesome.
I haven't felt this good after a thorough beating in a while.
Sad day for the Vereen owner, but for me, whoa great news. Ridley is without peer in the backfield now.
The Running Back committee. Anyone else out there have one too?
With LeVeon Bell getting hurt anytime the wind blows I have 3 RBs to choose from
Bilal Powell - Hes actually the starter with the Jets, but Ivory should be as Powells skillset seems better suited for a 3rd down back. Hell even I know this Rex Ryan! The Jets BARELY beat the Bucs, and thats when our first 2 series was a flashback to the 1976 Bucs. Yeah we started that game damn ugly.
Joique Bell - Reggie Bushs' handcuff on the Lions. This Bell is actually strong as hell, and Bush is already getting banged up. THEY SAY (the experts) that of all my RBs this week on my committee Joique is the best start, followed closely by this next guy....
Knowshon Moreno - Ive never been a Knowshon fan. Liked Correll Buckhalter better than him, certainly liked McGahee more, but Ronnie Hillman may be a late bloomer in the NFL (wont emerge this season), and Montee Ball couldnt do any better. So far hes technically their starter, but he will lose alot of touches to Hillman & Ball to where even my other guys will get more opportunities.
My guts telling me to start Powell, Yahoo says start Moreno, and THEY think Joique Bells the best start this week. Gee, guess what? I dont have a clue who to play sunday.
I am having a roster problem. I picked up a new DEF, and the software will just NOT let me put him in place. Hopefully it clears up soon, because otherwise, I have to run with no DEF....
EDIT: Wow - The whole thing came apart and crashed all over the place, stating none of my players were eligible or some such nonsense, telling me no changes can be made "for this date" - seems like they are having troubles at Yahoo. I am going to restart my browser and hope for the best, I guess.
The fantasy baseball site is still processing yesterday's stats, so yeah, it's probably just Yahoo under some strain right now. Also, looking at your lineup, I see Dallas slotted in already.
Yeah Seds I think you just caught Yahoo at the height of its morning hinkiest.
Ive decided to go Joique Bell, and bench Antonio Gates for Nate Burleson. Burlesons the #2 target in Detroit till the regular guy comes back. Reggie Bush is great but not 100% and I dont see why Detroit wouldnt have him split carries with Bell to lessen the load.
Edit in - Well Ive already changed my mind so disregard any final declarations I make on my roster :facepalm:
I love this so much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss
Davoin Shower-Handle LOL!
It's pretty funny just because, but I think it's especially funny if you've seen dozens of those player intro graphics they always use, which almost always involve a few weird names. A few of the ones here aren't even that ridiculous. If I saw a cornerback with the first name "D'Squarius," I wouldn't even blink.
I love the tones of voice they used with each player. Football players use the "soulless killer bad mofu'er" tone alot.
rauldc14
09-13-13, 10:06 PM
Stupidly locked Amendola 5 minutes before the game. How dumb.
Eddie Lacy running for 10 yards on his first carry: cool. Packers getting up huge at halftime so they have to run: cooler. Eddie Lacy missing all that because he got a concussion: extremely uncool.
Here's hoping he's cleared quickly, because that Lacy pick was looking like it was going to end up being a steal, if he can stay healthy and keep playing with that incredible offense.
Anyway, Fiscal and I have a big ol' slugfest going on, with two of the highest scores of the week so far. Early on he got both ends of a Ryan-to-Jackson TD (and the kicker's XP!), but not too much later I did the same with Rodgers and Cobb for the second straight week. I'm down 4 but based on the remaining players he'll probably need a fair bit of margin after the 1:00 games. So far, so good.
Rodgers something like 26 for 30 for 300+ yards and 3 TDs...at halftime.
Rodgers something like 26 for 30 for 300+ yards and 3 TDs...at halftime.
whooph!
Antonio Gates fumbled for the second week in a row so hes not gonna be in my swing slot anymore, and I wont be able to entertain trading him. bleah!
Powdered Water
09-15-13, 04:14 PM
Yeah, that was a really careless play by Gates. He was really close too. All needed was to cover up, like, at all! Some of these guys just don't believe anyone can knock the ball out of their hands, ya know?
Powdered Water
09-15-13, 04:52 PM
Eddie Royal sighting.
Eddie Royal sighting.
I knew he caught a td earlier, but after seeing what you wrote I rechecked.
7 rec, 90 rec yrds, 3 rec tds. Yknow, I think I figured out my swing slot problem. :)
Dionnes having an atrocious day as Arian Foster, Deangelo Williams, and Tony Gonzalez got him a whopping 20.60 points with less than 2:30 left in each game. I got 20.40 with Gates & Gould. :) Peyton Manning though is capable of bringing any team from the brink.
Eddie Royal has 5 TDs in two games. That's banana nonsense!
I knew he caught a td earlier, but after seeing what you wrote I rechecked.
7 rec, 90 rec yrds, 3 rec tds. Yknow, I think I figured out my swing slot problem. :)
Dionnes having an atrocious day as Arian Foster, Deangelo Williams, and Tony Gonzalez got him a whopping 20.60 points with less than 2:30 left in each game. I got 20.40 with Gates & Gould. :) Peyton Manning though is capable of bringing any team from the brink.
Foster just scored a late TD and convereted the 2-point conversion, which roughly doubles his total to 15.
Powdered Water
09-15-13, 05:35 PM
I remember Eddie Royal. He was gonna be the next Wes Welker about 3 years ago. He's not that.
Yeah, he caught 91 passes (!) in his rookie year. Hasn't cracked 60 since.
Still in decent shape despite Rice being a no show this week. Plus the Bills won in dramatic fashion, could be a good football week. Those don't happen much for us lowly Bills fans, all 12 of us.
Ugh. It looks like I'm somehow going to be 0-2. Just random guys getting hurt or randomly disappearing at the worst time, and playing other teams where lots of guys overperform and everyone contributes. Lame.
Eddie Royals starting next week in my swing or in my WR2 slot since Larry Fitzgeralds right hammy is strained. :sick:
Looks like Knowshon Moreno won the starting RB job in Denver. :)
How bout that Tampa Bay Defense!? 27 points in 2 weeks, nice! Ill still bench them vs New England next week though. That is unless Cincinatti falls apart tomorrow night vs Pittsburgh.
Ugh. It looks like I'm somehow going to be 0-2. Just random guys getting hurt or randomly disappearing at the worst time, and playing other teams where lots of guys overperform and everyone contributes. Lame.
Or an awesome team where everybody understandably perform awesome
I'm sure you were totally confident that Rashard Mendenhall would score 16 points.
66 yards and a TD, plus a few catches out of the backfield isn't crazy over performance for the obvious feature back.
rauldc14
09-15-13, 11:34 PM
I really should be 1-1. If I had a day off I would have caught the Amendola news.
66 yards and a TD, plus a few catches out of the backfield isn't crazy over performance for the obvious feature back.
Sure, not crazy. Nobody on your team went nuts (except Olsen). It was just one of those unusual weeks where everybody pitches in.
But clearly, it's more on my end, with guys just inexplicably no-showing (MJD, Cook) or getting hurt really early (Lacy). The Lacy one, in particular, was rough, because the Pack ended up scoring a ton, and he probably would've had a decent chunk of that. Also looks like the score I put up will end up having been enough to beat, like, 10 of the 13 other teams.
Just a lot of really badly timed stuff. Oh well. Frownie face. :( Second straight year I've loved my team but started slowly anyway.
I had Lacy in my other league. Tough loss, any other starter and I could've pulled out a W :(
I should add that a 49er turnover-for-a-score actually puts us about even, but that also involves them maybe not giving up any more points, so it's still pretty far-fetched. But I've been in the "need-a-defensive-TD-for-the-win-and-get-it" situation more than once, so who knows.
it of a weird day for both my teams - now it is Redman time ;)
Yep. The Seahawks are shutting down Boldin Inc. I kinda was very afraid that would happen, and it is, he's catchless so far.
Cinci vs Redman it is!!! I got 6 points over Dionnes Peytons so it all comes down to monday night football. My Bengals D vs Isaac Redman. I am confident, but I do know there are alot of great defenses on teams in the NFL that just dont net fantasy points, so I have that much concern.
Bucs beat themselves. Again! 118 penalty yards, but we were still holding the Saints to one td!!! Freeman threw one right to Jackson in the endzone, and some jagoff offensive lineman committed a penalty so it was called back. :facepalm::mad: The Bucs ar 0-2, those frickin Jets last week....I see incredible promise, know everyone will be on same page next year, but even though Ive been a Josh Freeman supporter, my faiths wavering. Just that everyone else on the team is executing incredibly. Except for the penalties.
Looks like I may pull it out this week!
Looks like I may pull it out this week!
Gross.
Well that sucked. The Seahawks screwed me and didn't even buy me dinner first....get it.
Touche!
Lisa may be interested in a trade with you, Sleezy, but she is at work and unable to sign in until after 5PM. I think she is going to package Calvin and Miller for Peterson and a flex level WR... Any interest on your end?
Lisa may be interested in a trade with you, Sleezy, but she is at work and unable to sign in until after 5PM. I think she is going to package Calvin and Miller for Peterson and a flex level WR... Any interest on your end?
Alas, All Day and Golden Tate have been shipped off to PW for Dez Bryant and C.J. Spiller. He might have interest, though, once the trade is processed.
I figured he would go fast!
Powdered Water
09-16-13, 09:52 PM
Fantasy football sucks so much smelly butt hole.
DexterRiley
09-16-13, 10:17 PM
i do believe M. Bennett will suffice until Gronk is ready to go.
i do believe M. Bennett will suffice until Gronk is ready to go.
I do believe A Gates would suffice more, and with Powell & LeVeon thrown in (for DwaynE Bowe) then youd be so happy youll think youre swimming in chocalate and butter. Take my word for it :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7OrOk-ia4w&list=PLmHOb-9pXS1T5kiknd2GanWwa_GPcbb4F
it of a weird day for both my teams - now it is Redman time ;)
Isaac Redman is out after playing one quarter with a concussion. Not the way I wanted to win.
Im questioning the coaching abilities of Pittsburgh lately. What else does Jonathan Dwyer have to do to get an opportunity?! Instead they think their go to guy is Felix Jones. :rolleyes:
DexterRiley
09-17-13, 01:06 PM
I do believe A Gates would suffice more, and with Powell & LeVeon thrown in (for DwaynE Bowe) then youd be so happy youll think youre swimming in chocalate and butter. Take my word for it :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7OrOk-ia4w&list=PLmHOb-9pXS1T5kiknd2GanWwa_GPcbb4F
gronk is a week away, 2 max. why on earth would i do that?
For someone that lost 2 starting RBs before the season started Im doing better than ever at that position now.
Doug Martin, Knowshon Moreno, Bilal Powell, and Joique Bell who only has 2 fantasy points less than Reggie Bush. Still have LeVeon Bell too who "they say" will be back week 6. With Lary Fitzgerald, anquan Boldin, and Brees to Graham I honestly can say Ive never ever been as happy with a team in this league so early in the season.
Is this the year of the monkey?!
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2012/05/11/KongGif2.gif.CROP.original-original.gif
DexterRiley
09-17-13, 10:14 PM
i remember how that day ended for that particular Simian tongs.
:D
I dont know what I was thinking. Its not the year of the monkey, but the year of the jiraffe. He's #1 in both the MoFo & Jungle league.
RINGER ALERT! :eek:
jiraffejustin
09-18-13, 03:24 PM
It's only week two, don't want to get the big head. :D
I think Im gonna take a chance on Andy Reids Chiefs Defense. If they can stop Philly sunday then they certainly are for real. Rather have a top earner throughout the season in that slot than constantly shifting them in and off waivers.
Tampa Bays defense is much much improved, but 3 out of next 4 games are vs Patriots, Falcons, and Eagles. I guess Im not that confident they will maintain int he long haul.
Holy crap, Trent Richardson just got traded to the Colts for their 1st round draft pick next year.
mikeython1
09-18-13, 07:43 PM
Holy crap, Trent Richardson just got traded to the Colts for their 1st round draft pick next year.
I can't believe it. You never see trades of this magnitude during the season. Trent Richardson's stock just shot through the roof! The Steelers should have traded for him.
jiraffejustin
09-18-13, 08:05 PM
Welp, I recently traded for Ahmad Bradshaw... there goes his value out the window. :(
DexterRiley
09-18-13, 08:11 PM
Ridding the wave......
u and me both brother flash.
I can't believe it. You never see trades of this magnitude during the season. Trent Richardson's stock just shot through the roof! The Steelers should have traded for him.
This early in the season too. Im guessing the Browns have their eye set on a QB thatll be available in next years draft.
Powdered Water
09-18-13, 08:59 PM
The Browns are so stupid. This is why they will always suck. Between stupid decisions like this and those god-awful helmets. I hope they never, ever, win a Superbowl. Just sayin'.
DexterRiley
09-18-13, 09:01 PM
Holy crap, Trent Richardson just got traded to the Colts for their 1st round draft pick next year.
***** couldnt they have waited till after he ran roughsod over the vikes. Anyway, really positive bump obviously. While its a truism in Fantasy ball that predicting TD's is a roll of the dice, its also true it helps being on a team that provides many opportunities in the red zone on any given sunday.
Bradshaw likely gets the brunt of the work this week vs the 9ers id guess, but really hard to say. not like i can sit him i dont think.
I dunno if it's a good trade, but I know that a) running backs are increasingly expendable, and b) Richardson hasn't been particularly great since he came into the league. So time will tell.
Powdered Water
09-18-13, 09:03 PM
I kinda think Bradshaw may be a non factor. We'll see. This certainly isn't a ringing endorsement from the Colts.
***** couldnt they have waited till after he ran roughsod over the vikes.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j38/iusreview/smiley_zpsb9305009.gif (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/iusreview/media/smiley_zpsb9305009.gif.html)
DexterRiley
09-19-13, 10:33 AM
http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd448/user1000435/fantasygronksignal_zpsf0b38db1.jpg
Waffle time!
Swing slot dilemna between Knowshon Moreno vs the #1 rated run defense Oakland in Denver on MNF or Eddie Royal, Floyds out, playing at Tennessee. Titans pass D is so-so. The only reason I dont just start Royal over Moreno is because "they say" Royals still unproven, and will be exposed sunday. I got Moreno in there but am still unconvinced.
Sigh.
I'll give you my advice if you give me some waffles. :D
:) Oh I wasnt seeking advice, but just whining my plight. Not a bad plight to be in as plights go.
Really eager to see Andy Reids Chiefs Defense going up against Philadelphia tonight. Eagles are hot, and Chiefs have started equally strong. If one of the 2 are just streaking then it should be exposed tonight. I put my money on the Chiefs. Even dropped the Buccaneers for them.
http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2013/08/16/23/06/JYVxD.St.81.jpeg
Powdered Water
09-19-13, 09:09 PM
The more I hear about this Richardson deal the more I'm convinced that Cleveland took it in the shorts. Incredibly lopsided deal. Cleveland is on the hook for almost the entire salary! And they may end up with a much later pick than they had when they got Trent. Just wow. Great example of how some franchises stay bottom dwellers forever, I guess.
DexterRiley
09-19-13, 10:11 PM
Vick is turnen back the clock tonite.
Early pick. TD pass sandwiched between 2 scampers for 85 yards. and its the first Q.
not for the weak of heart..lol
The more I hear about this Richardson deal the more I'm convinced that Cleveland took it in the shorts. Incredibly lopsided deal. Cleveland is on the hook for almost the entire salary! And they may end up with a much later pick than they had when they got Trent. Just wow. Great example of how some franchises stay bottom dwellers forever, I guess.
There's no doubt that it's bad if you start the clock from just before they picked Richardson, but they had a different GM and management team then. So for the purposes of evaluating them, the question is whether or not it's a good deal now, with Richardson already under contract. And on that front, it's pretty hard to say (even though I have zero reason to say anything nice about the Browns). If you're interested, Bill Barnwell wrote a pretty good breakdown here (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/75160/the-browns-hit-reset-again-with-an-unprecedented-trade).
The main thing here is that his numbers in the NFL are really mediocre so far (3.5 YPC), so it really depends on which you think is a better indicator: his pedigree coming into the league, or his performance in it to this point.
DexterRiley
09-19-13, 11:06 PM
12 TD's and 1500 yards in 18 games isnt what i would call mediocre.
just sayen.
DexterRiley
09-19-13, 11:08 PM
Did Dwayne bowe miss a bunch of meetings or hit on Alex Smiths wife or something?
Dwayne Bowe ended up with one catch for 4 yards. They say the west coast offense that Andy Reid brought in is alien to him, and obviously he's not learning fast.
My gamble with the Chiefs Defense against Philly pays off huge, and I start the week with 22 points. Sah-Weet! :)
12 TD's and 1500 yards in 18 games isnt what i would call mediocre.
just sayen.
If you're measuring fantasy value, sure. But in real life the number of touches you need to produce those yards is hugely important, and who actually scores the TD isn't.
Powdered Water
09-20-13, 09:28 AM
There's no doubt that it's bad if you start the clock from just before they picked Richardson, but they had a different GM and management team then. So for the purposes of evaluating them, the question is whether or not it's a good deal now, with Richardson already under contract. And on that front, it's pretty hard to say (even though I have zero reason to say anything nice about the Browns). If you're interested, Bill Barnwell wrote a pretty good breakdown here (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/75160/the-browns-hit-reset-again-with-an-unprecedented-trade).
The main thing here is that his numbers in the NFL are really mediocre so far (3.5 YPC), so it really depends on which you think is a better indicator: his pedigree coming into the league, or his performance in it to this point.
Dude. C'mon. That article was huge! I'm not reading all of that. We're talking about the Cleveland Browns here. You can break it down any way from Sunday. This won't help them. Deep down you probably know that. And how can you say it's hard to judge the deal? The Colts only have to pay the guy about 6 million bucks? That was a huge coup, even if he's a total bust. Which, I sort of doubt he will be. He's going to an actual team now. Not the Browns.
You can always skim it. ;)
Like I said, the Browns have a new management team. Do they suck, too? We don't know. But they don't suck just because the Browns hired them. The abstract notion of the Cleveland Browns does not curse people who are associated with it, so their history of terrible decisions has, at most, an indirect relationship to this one.
I think it's pretty clear that the deal is good for Indy and bad for Cleveland if Richardson is a good running back. If he's a mediocre or even a bad one, then he's a waste of touches and overpaid even based on that reduced salary. A lot of free agent running backs can gain 3.5 YPC. So it just comes down to how good you think he is, and the data's pretty mixed on that point.
Clearly, Richardson's career as a whole is a mistake, because by definition their either wasted a high pick on a mediocre player or traded away a talented player as if he were mediocre. On that timeline, it's a huge screw-up. But once you've already drafted him, the decision of whether or not to keep him is a different one entirely.
DexterRiley
09-20-13, 10:02 AM
If you're measuring fantasy value, sure. But in real life the number of touches you need to produce those yards is hugely important, and who actually scores the TD isn't.
Real life isnt as important as Fantasy Football considerations though.
:D
Well Mike Holmgren is astonished at this stupidity. Trent Richardson catching balls from Andrew Luck? Oh I see good things to come in Indy, and believe Richardsons overall numbers will improve.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247444/article/mike-holmgren-rips-browns-trent-richardson-trade
jiraffejustin
09-20-13, 01:56 PM
The crazy thing to me is that the Browns are pretty much just trading a #3 overall for somewhere around a #15 or worse overall pick. Giving up on Richardson during only his second season is ridiculous. Especially when you consider he has good hands, and is a valuable asset in the passing game. Which is what you need in today's NFL. A young QB that they would be drafting, probably not Bridgewater but likely a Tajh Boyd or Johnny Manziel, would absolutely need to check it down to Richardson a lot. Now you have an aging Willis McGahee, Chris Ogbonnaya who is too slow to be a feature back and too small to be a fullback, and Bobby Rainey who can't shoulder a workload. They will be forced to bring somebody else in next season. So now instead of just a hole at QB, they have a hole at RB too. They also seem to have a major hole in the front office as well.
But of course, it's not a #3 pick. It's the guy they (and they being an entirely different group of people, remember) took with the #3 pick. Trading Ryan Leaf wasn't "trading a #2 pick" because, by then, people had realized Ryan Leaf was not actually awesome. Once the guy is taken his draft position has very little to do with his value.
jiraffejustin
09-20-13, 02:02 PM
It's hardly fair to compare Trent Richardson to Ryan Leaf, but I know what you are saying. My meaning was simply that the Browns spent a #3 on a guy only a year ago. It's not like he was terrible, then they only get a #15 out of him. This leads me to believe one of four things: 1) They don't think he will amount to anything and want to get as much value out of him as they can now. 2) They hate their fans. They don't want their fans to have a good player to cheer for. 3) They want to tank and try to get Teddy Football. 4) They are as dumb as their reputation suggests.
I think any time you trade away your best player for a draft pick, that's really dumb. He is still very talented, the Browns being inept in every other category hurt his ypc. He will most likely thrive in Indianapolis, while fans in Cleveland will wish they were born in another city and wonder why they still care so much for a franchise that has given them so little.
Sure sure, I don't think he'll be Ryan Leaf either, though I think the odds are decent that he'll just be okay. I'm just saying that assigning someone extra value for their draft pedigree can be throwing good money after bad. If it was a bad pick, then the best move is to cut your losses.
As I mentioned above, it's totally true that the abstract entity we call "The Cleveland Browns" has botched this, because they either wasted a high pick on a mediocre player, or they just traded away a good player thinking he was only mediocre. But the Browns are not an actual thing; they are a different group of people each year. And this year, they're a very different group of people. One group picked Richardson, and an entirely different group traded him. We know that one of the two decisions was bad, we just don't know which yet.
Fun little flashback: remember how much everyone flipped out when the Texans took Mario Williams #1 overall instead of Reggie Bush? Yet they ended up being completely right. Everybody prefers the quick RB or the lightning fast WR prospect over the interior linemen or the salary cap flexibility, but it seems to me that the teams that are good most often get there by making lots of unexciting, unsexy, long-term decisions like this.
jiraffejustin
09-20-13, 03:04 PM
Being a Texas fan, and an advocate of Vince Young, I still say they should have drafted Vince Young. His track record isn't the greatest, but he would have had so much support if he played for his hometown team. I remember when the Titans played in Houston and VY ran in a game winning touchdown in overtime. Instead of booing the opposing team for beating their team, the crowd went crazy. In my alternate universe fantasies, this is the one I wish I lived in.
Just remember, the people that spent the 3rd overall pick on T-Rich have all been sacked at this point...
Just remember, the people that spent the 3rd overall pick on T-Rich have all been sacked at this point...
Does this mean someone hit them in the nuts?
The Browns were the ones initiating this trade. When Jimmy Johnson traded Herschell Walker to Minnesota he got a buttload of talent which got Dallas 3 super bowls, 2 under Johnson. There is no such wheeling and dealing going on with this Richardson exchange.
The only thing that makes sense to me is it has to be because Richardson has an attitude problem. It all just seems too sudden and too stupid otherwise unless he's such a jerk they didnt care and just wanted him gone. Maybe he was high on Holmgren and was being mouthy to the new guard, I dont know.
The only thing that makes sense to me is it has to be because Richardson has an attitude problem.
There is some reason to believe this; here's a quote from the article I linked to earlier (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/75160/the-browns-hit-reset-again-with-an-unprecedented-trade) (emphasis added):
The nature of how aggressive the Browns are being here with a top-three draft pick suggests that there's something very distinct about Richardson that this new regime doesn't like. It could be some aspect of his personality off the field or his work ethic. I don't like to make those sort of insinuations, nor do I think that it's a problem for Richardson, but a vague quote from a Browns player after the deal suggested otherwise: "It makes sense. Trent has some things he needs to figure out before he becomes a dominant player in the league." The issue could just as easily be medical, considering how frequently and how easily Richardson's been banged up during his pro career. In any case, it seems likely that there's a little more than meets the eye here.
Powdered Water
09-20-13, 10:02 PM
Dude, I skimmed your article. You're missing a key point here. The Browns suck. And why you a Steelers fan is spending so much time arguing for them is a wee bit weird but whatever. I'd think you'd be loving this because it will only help them to stay terrible, probably.
And I say to you again, because you seem to be missing a key point. Indy is on the hook for a very small portion of his salary. This is a WIN-WIN for them. Seriously. 6 million bucks? Who cares if he's nothing? 6 million bucks is a drop in the bucket to these guys.
DexterRiley
09-21-13, 09:20 PM
hear me now and believe me later. When the dust settles on the fantasy season, Richardson will be a top 10 RB.
I completely agree. Also the Colts will be in the playoffs. Now that there is a dual threat in Indy it will make it easier on Luck and Richardson to produce. Before they were always the lone target of defenses.
DexterRiley
09-21-13, 09:53 PM
I see Peyton Hillis was released today, wouldnt be the least bit surprised if the brownies signed him for pennies on the dollar to see if he cant get the pre-madden curse mojo cookin.
Dude, I skimmed your article. You're missing a key point here. The Browns suck.
The uniforms make people suck? Because that would totally upend my understanding of reality. But seriously, if the Browns just inherently suck, doesn't that extend to their drafting of Richardson too?
And why you a Steelers fan is spending so much time arguing for them is a wee bit weird but whatever. I'd think you'd be loving this because it will only help them to stay terrible, probably.
Well, if I thought it would definitely help them stay terrible, I would be loving it. But what I want to happen and what I think will happen ain't always the same thing. Which bums me out to no end.
And I say to you again, because you seem to be missing a key point. Indy is on the hook for a very small portion of his salary. This is a WIN-WIN for them. Seriously. 6 million bucks? Who cares if he's nothing? 6 million bucks is a drop in the bucket to these guys.
Well, I did reply directly to that before: "If he's a mediocre or even a bad one, then he's a waste of touches and overpaid even based on that reduced salary." But remember that they gave up a 1st round draft pick, too, yeah? So he actually does kinda have to be good for them to come out of this ahead.
That said, I never suggested it was a bad deal for Indy. I think it's a decent deal for both sides. If he's not that great, then it's a good deal for Cleveland. And it might be even if he is, because is you blame his numbers on the team around him, then that means they didn't have the core in place to take advantage of his talents, anyway.
Browns are looking to trade Greg Little & Josh Gordon too. Theyre doing a complete overhaul! Again! Mike Holmgren has to be furious they are undoing everything he built these last few years.
Feel very good going into sunday. Decided to go Knowshon Moreno over Eddie Royal. The Raiders supposedly have the current best run defense, but its MNF and Ill be able to watch! :) Also the fact Joique Bell gets the start today (Bush is out) makes this decision easier as I wouldnt be surprised he posts huge numbers.
Flacco well on his way to having a third consecutive mediocre-to-bad game to start the season. But it's cool: he's only the highest paid player in the NFL.
I've got the Packers' QB, star WR, and starting RB.
Backup RB runs in the TD.
Powdered Water
09-22-13, 03:54 PM
Flacco well on his way to having a third consecutive mediocre-to-bad game to start the season. But it's cool: he's only the highest paid player in the NFL.
Would you take Flacco over Big Ben?
Wouldn't take him over Ben in a vacuum, and I definitely wouldn't take him with that insane contract.
jiraffejustin
09-22-13, 04:05 PM
Flacco well on his way to having a third consecutive mediocre-to-bad game to start the season. But it's cool: he's only the highest paid player in the NFL.
Actually, he's the third...but still.
Note: Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan signed bigger contracts after Flacco signed his.
I think that's true if you incorporate signing bonuses and the like; the base salaries vary a lot, if I recall correctly. Flacco's making, like, $20 million this year. He might be making less than them a few years from now, though, or have less guaranteed.
Either way, it's twenty different kinds of goofy.
Wow. Another completely brutal bunch of performances from my squad. Studs and coin flip guys alike, nobody coming through, and in a week where it's looking like a pretty mediocre score probably would've been enough. Not a single non-QB touchdown, and not a single position player with more than 55 yards, with just one left to play.
I dunno if I've ever had a team with a larger gap between its strength on paper and its actual output.
rauldc14
09-22-13, 08:25 PM
My team pretty much rocked it finally. Jonathan Franklin looks better than Lacy or Starks ever had. He was on my bench, but Murray, Romo, Cameron were the big stars.
I was murdered this week, and I am in trouble for the rest of the season. Im going to have to make some moves. Open to trades, here.
DexterRiley
09-22-13, 11:24 PM
Cmon Tony Brown. 3 more catches for 15 yards or so oughta do it.
I was murdered this week, and I am in trouble for the rest of the season. Im going to have to make some moves. Open to trades, here.
Same. I'll probably send you something insane that'll remake both our teams or something.
rauldc14
09-22-13, 11:41 PM
Or just, you know. Trade teams.
jiraffejustin
09-22-13, 11:46 PM
If either of you dudes are interested in anybody on my team (The Hot Jamaales) I would listen to trade offers.
DexterRiley
09-22-13, 11:47 PM
Cmon Tony Brown. 3 more catches for 15 yards or so oughta do it.
boom shaka laka. Thatt'll work. Saweet grab.
Its been a loooooooong time since Ive felt so confident in my team. Truthfully Ive never been this confident in a MoFo league squad. I had a ridiculously powerful monstrosity in the Jungle last year (Dionne still beat me in the final - bastid!! ;)), but MoFo leagues got alot more fierce old schoolers.
This is gonna be good.
DexterRiley
09-23-13, 01:28 AM
Feeling extremely fortunate to overcome the virtual donut of bowe, and less than wondrous Vick line from Thursday night football.
The Steelers have long been known for developing RB's, but they somehow get overlooked when it comes to the WR corps. Seems like everytime a big time player leaves for big bucks elsewhere (Plax, Randel-El, Santonio Holmes and this year Mike Wallace), another dude steps up.
I salute thee Tony Brown. Yes Tony. A pittsburgher going by Antonio just doesnt sound right to these ears.
DexterRiley
09-23-13, 07:07 PM
From the Vaunted Steel Curtain days to this:
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Man getting blown up by Jay Cutler on national TV is gonna haunt this dude til the end of his days.
His playtime might be skewered now..
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 01:17 AM
Pey Pey and the boys had me sweating, but luckily he threw one of his tds to Julius Thomas to pretty much negate it.
Peyton Mannings on pace to break Brady's 2007 record of 50 touchdown passes in a season. Ive always said he's the best, but overall Denver is scary. With Hillman and Ball stepping up tonight too with some respectable numbers against a tough team, their running back issue is a whole lot better.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 01:38 AM
Peyton has his best receiving corps he has ever had right now and it's not even close. I've always thought that he was the best QB ever. As far as just on-field ability, and he has never had a great team around him. Very similar to Dan Marino in that aspect. His Super Bowl team was obviously good, but without him they would probably not even had made the playoffs.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 02:32 AM
Peyton has his best receiving corps he has ever had right now and it's not even close..
Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark would disagree.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 02:38 AM
Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark would disagree.
Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker, and Julius Thomas would say too bad. Hell, Demaryius Thomas is probably the most physically gifted receiver Peyton has ever had, and he helped make Tim Tebow look like a decent QB against Pittsburgh. Julius Thomas is the most athletic TE Peyton has ever had. Dallas Clark was just a Peyton Manning creation.
Turns out McFadden did not have a 110 point game in him. 1-2, not a good way to start my Mofo fantasy career.
Someday we will be saying Manning made his receiving corps what they were. He can make any pro look like a superstar. He puts them in the right situations constantly. The best I have watched and that includes a whole lot of Montana.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 10:19 AM
Someday we will be saying Manning made his receiving corps what they were. He can make any pro look like a superstar. He puts them in the right situations constantly. The best I have watched and that includes a whole lot of Montana.
weird then that he has just one ring, and that was vs a Rex Grossman led Bears squad.
Peyton can carry Montanas water bucket though.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 10:26 AM
Really hate the Super Bowl rings equal how good a QB is argument. Peyton has NEVER had a defense as good as the 80s 49ers. Or a running game as good as the 80s 49ers.
Really hate the Super Bowl rings equal how good a QB is argument.
This, times a billion.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 10:31 AM
That argument totally disqualifies guys that played before 1966 ;)
It also leads to us overrating good quarterbacks on great teams. Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw come to mind.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 12:38 PM
Really hate the Super Bowl rings equal how good a QB is argument. Peyton has NEVER had a defense as good as the 80s 49ers. Or a running game as good as the 80s 49ers.
boo hoo
The Broncos D last season was on Par with Any D Brady has been gifted with, and i cant remember the Starting RB's when they won their Superbowls.
Also, u have no problem with Peyton padding stats vs super weak opps in the AFC west. pick your poison.
When San Fran was dominant with Montana, the NFC East was bar none the toughest division in football.
Peyton has had a heckuva career but GOAT he most certainly is not.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 12:41 PM
That argument totally disqualifies guys that played before 1966 ;)
It also leads to us overrating good quarterbacks on great teams. Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw come to mind.
I never said superbowl rings EQUAL great Quarterbacks. obviously Trent Dilfer isnt a better QB than Dan Fouts.
However, it has to be a mitigating factor in determining Greatest of All Time. You can hate it, even by a billion, but nevertheless it cant be ignored either.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 12:45 PM
I don't think "best" means "greatest." But if we are talking about greatness then Montana > Peyton. If we are talking about how well they play, Peyton is the best.
And the bit about the defense last year for the Broncos...maybe so, but they screwed Peyton in the game against the Ravens. Champ Bailey kept getting toasted in that game. Then John Fox decides not to go for the win in regulation. They lose in overtime because of it. Ravens go on to win the Super Bowl, and people will cite the Peyton interception as the cause of loss. Which is only part of the story.
Well, the only reason it can't be ignored is because a lot of people won't ignore it. But there's nothing logically compelling us to ascribe it special significance.
The boundaries of seasons and the playoff structure are largely arbitrary and aren't even designed to reveal the best teams, let alone the best players on those teams. They're designed, like all playoffs, to create as much drama as possible without feeling like a total crapshoot.
As for the Denver D last season: yeah, it was great during the regular season. But this is supposed to be about Peyton's playoff performance, isn't it? And in the game where they were eliminated the Denver offense put up 35 points, while the defense gave up 38, including a huge blown coverage late in the game. That ain't on Peytie. He did his job, and then some.
EDIT: ah, yeah, he said it first.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 01:13 PM
Here are some stats for comparison. I included 49ers Super Bowl winning seasons with Joe Montana and Peyton's Super Bowl year and the Broncos last year.
1981: 2nd best scoring defense allowing only 15.6 points a game and 5th in the league with 48 takeaways, admittedly they have a poor starting running back in Ricky Patton
1984: Best scoring defense allowing only 14.2 points a game and 10th in the league with 38 takeaways. Running backs: Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig combine for 2,816 yards from scrimmage and 19 touchdowns (1,911 yards and 14 touchdowns of the rushing variety)
1988: 8th best scoring defense allowing 18.4 points per game and 7th in the league with 38 takeaways. Running back Roger Craig had 1,502 yards rushing to go with 9 rushing touchdowns. He also had 534 receiving yards. Fullback Tom Rathman added 427 yards on the ground as well.
1989: 3rd best scoring defense allowing just 15.8 points per game and 11th in the league with 37 takeaways. Roger Craig finished with over 1,000 yards again.
2006 Colts: 23rd best scoring defense allowing 22.5 points per game and 21st in the league with 26 takeaways. Joseph Addai finished a solid season off with over 1,000 yards rushing.
2012 Broncos: 4th best scoring defense allowing 18.1 points per game and 16th in the league with 24 takeaways. Running back Willis McGahee had 731 rushing yards. Knowshon Moreno had 525 rushing yards, but averaged less than 4 yards per carry.
I'm not sure it's helpful to distinguish between best and greatest without defining what you're supposed to be measuring. The question is best or greatest at what? If the answer is "winning Championships," then it's just a math problem. But once you acknowledge that it's more complicated than that, it becomes about measuring performance. I find most people try to split this difference by mostly measuring performance but giving extra weight to Championships, which doesn't make a ton of sense to me, because it simultaneously acknowledges the difference between the two and then tries to mash them together anyway. But then, I'm not the kind of person who believes there's some kind of hidden Clutch Gene that manifests itself in certain situations, either, so I don't ascribe metaphysical significance to a performance's timing.
Anyway, I think Peyton Manning plays quarterback better than any human being ever has.
And I think he might also be the most significant QB, in that he's largely responsible for the idea that the best QBs will inevitably be those who double as quasi-offensive coordinators. Erasing the distinction between player and playcaller at the position is one of the most important developments in the history of the position, and possibly in the history of the game.
I agree Joe Montana's the greatest QB ever in the NFL, and Peyton's the best ever. Like Arnold Palmer to Tiger Woods, or Randy Couture to Anderson Silva. In a vacuum, Peyton has all Montana had and then some. Peyton also is getting it done with his second team like Montana did with Chiefs. The memories, heroics, and incredible poise will always make Joe the greatest.
Rings arent a factor at all. It's like saying Eli's a better QB than Peyton or Peyton couldnt even hold Terry Bradshaws jock. :laugh: I think Bradshaw himself would laugh at that one. Speaking of unworthy jock holders, former Buccaneer Trent Dilfer was the cruelest twist of all our departing QB's when he got his ring. Truly he was riding the coat tails. If zombies were real, then the Ravens could have made a zombie their QB in 2001 and still won the super bowl.
Ahem! A super bowl can be won with a glaring hole in a huge position. QB, WR, RB, Offensive Linemen, or just overall crap defenses. Rings really are an indicator for the teams historic worth, and not any one player.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 01:30 PM
As far as "clutch gene" goes, that's obviously not a real thing. However, I would say some people handle pressure better than others. I think that is also obvious. Neither one of those things apply to either of the QBs being compared here either though, as both guys seem to possess the mythological clutch gene. Or they both just handle pressure well.
The funny thing is, this is another issue on which I have a vested interest in arguing the other way: Terry Bradshaw was a good QB, but his rings make him seem like a great one. Roethlisberger is a great QB, but his rings make him seem like an even better one than he is. But in both cases they had some good supporting casts and played well at the right time.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 01:34 PM
And I think he might also be the most significant QB, in that he's largely responsible for the idea that the best QBs will inevitably be those who double as quasi-offensive coordinators. Erasing the distinction between player and playcaller at the position is one of the most important developments in the history of the position, and possibly in the history of the game.
The CFL has been doing that for 30 years. Always takes the NFL a bit to catch up.
As far as "clutch gene" goes, that's obviously not a real thing. However, I would say some people handle pressure better than others. I think that is also obvious. Neither one of those things apply to either of the QBs being compared here either though, as both guys seem to possess the mythological clutch gene. Or they both just handle pressure well.
Yeah, I think the argument about pressure isn't that some people don't respond badly to it (they clearly do), but that anyone like that is going to be weeded out wayyyyy before they ever get to the NFL. If someone cracks under pressure, why did they excel in all their big High School games? Why did they have a career day when the scout showed up one week? Why did they play so well in college? All those things were, at the time, the biggest events of their lives.
The entire sport is constructed around narratives. Sometimes people just have a bad game, or even five or six. That might not be as interesting as constructing an elaborate psychological profile of some stranger, but it's a much simpler explanation.
The crazy thing is that every time some "choker" who everyone said couldn't win the big game finally does it, everybody just forgets they said it and goes on to hurling the accusation at someone else. There's never any period where they step back, realize they were wrong all along, and conclude that the entire idea is probably nonsense.
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 01:36 PM
Bart Starr: Good, solid quarterback that took care of the football for the most part. Playing for a fantastic coach. Handing it off to two hall of famers, with an offensive line comprised of multiple hall of famers (Forest Gregg for sure, can't remember for sure on others.) And a very tough defense. Gets overrated.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 03:14 PM
I don't think "best" means "greatest." But if we are talking about greatness then Montana > Peyton. If we are talking about how well they play, Peyton is the best.
What separates the best from the greatest in your view?
jiraffejustin
09-24-13, 03:21 PM
Greatest to me is more about legacy I suppose, while the best is just the one to play the position with the most skill.
DexterRiley
09-24-13, 04:10 PM
Greatest to me is more about legacy I suppose, while the best is just the one to play the position with the most skill.
the sure handedness of receivers, not to mention pass protection plays a whole lot into that though.
All the sorts of factors you tossed out the window when i mentioned superbowl rings.
however, purely on a skill basis, i'd say Dan Marino is the best.
After all thats been discussed, the post that explains best this whole topic, is mine. Your welcome :D
I missed the whole conversation. If only work did not exist.
I think the way Manning reads defenses is what sets him apart from the others. I understand someone using rings as the deciding factor when judging great players. I just don't usually look at it that way, too many variables in a team sport.
Josh Freeman has been benched. Mike Glennon will be the Bucs new QB, and I have to say it is time. Tampa has a reputation to prematurely bitch about QBs, Coaches, etc... prematurely demanding their release, and I go against the grain on that since history has shown who we discard becomes successful elsewhere. Not this time though. Freeman was given all the chances and time needed.
IMO Josh Freemans numbers when he first came onto the scene were PED enhanced. Last year when he came into training he noticeably lost alot of weight, fat and moreso muscle. He also seemed to get shook up more, and his composure nonexistent. PEDs can help in all ares and not just muscle. Next year when he shows up to camp somewhere, and hes suddenly big again, I wont be surprised whatsoever.
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Waffles with peanut butter on them and cold maple syrup. That's how I eat them, and if you try it, then you too will never go back. :yup:
This week my swing dilemna is between Antonio Gates in Dallas, or LeVeon Bell in London vs Minnesota. Probably going to go Gates, but Vikings have done badly vs the run the first 3 games, and I'd think Dallas capable of covering Gates. Bells never played in the NFL before though, and even if he becomes a success he may be a slow starter.
Then theres Dwayne Bowe looking at me with an easy @ NYG matchup, and even Hankerson with an easy matchup at home vs Oakland. Hmmm!
Powdered Water
09-27-13, 05:28 PM
Welcome to the fold Tavon Austin. He comes right in a scores a robust 1.60 for his new team. I have a feeling he's going to fit right in around here.
jiraffejustin
09-28-13, 01:36 AM
Yeah, the Rams seem to have no idea how to use him.
Powdered Water
09-28-13, 11:52 AM
Sam Bradford is terrible.
jiraffejustin
09-28-13, 01:02 PM
Well that is also part of the problem, yes.
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