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shcomdey
09-07-02, 02:12 PM
How Much Is That Elvis In Your Vagina?
By Shcomedy

The film came out a few years back. It was one of those typical previews that I saw on the big screen that didn't really seem like it was going to be a great classic film, though that is exactly what it wound up being to me. I didn't rush to see it since I wasn't expecting it to be any more enjoyable than most of those 'feel good' movies critics and the public are always raving about. I managed to see it before any of it's scenes were ruined for me by friends with big mouths and I loved every minute of it. It's the kind of film that comes along every few years to give you hope for Hollywood and make you wish that all writers and directors would work as hard as the people involved in this film. And believe me, there were a lot of people involved in making this movie.
What is most unique about "Pleasentville" is it's hidden agenda, which seems to be buried in an amusing science fiction plot that works on so many emotional levels it's hard to count them all. This film, no matter what Elvis Presley meant to you, or means to you now, was nothing more than a subtle metaphor for what the King of Rock and Roll did to white America. But this film is hiding that fact with a cleverness that leaves it free from criticism from political correct zombies of our current culture. After all, you can't just come out and say 'Y'know Elvis did a lot to end racism in this country.' That would be taboo today. Only those with black skin can be given credit for that without a barrage of insults being thrown your way. People like Elvis, JFK, Abbie Hoffman, and even Abraham Lincoln can no longer be given any recognition for what they did to bring together peace and harmony between their fellow men. Their efforts have faded into historical documents, FBI files and be-bop tunes of yesteryear. It must be Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr. who get the credit, or the Jews and Orientals who suffered brutal humiliation from our ancestors. (The Italians did too, but they made up for it by forming the Mafia and ignoring our rules completely.)
If you've seen this film, I'll bet as you watched it, outside of the playing of an Elvis tune on the jukebox in one scene, the idea of Elvis didn't even enter into your mind. And why should it? Metaphors aren't seen as what they really are, they're just similar. And nothing is more similar than what Elvis did to white America and what happens when this teenage girl from the future takes a young inexperienced local yokel up to Pleasentville's version of Lover's Lane and rocks his gonads off. And what a better representation of Elvis is there than a teenage girl's sexual passion. Her vagina itself, in this film, was Elvis, aching to make some kind of impact on an entire town's population and not caring at all what the outcome might be. As the scene unfolds in the car, feet up in the air, squeaky rumbles coming from the shock absorbers, you can almost hear Elvis singing, "Have you heard the news? There's good rockin' tonight!"
Pleasentville is a TV show, much like Ozzie And Harriet, with a town full of tedious proper people who do nothing evil to anyone without feeling guilty about it and crime is non-existent and nobody even knows what sex is. There are no other cities mentioned because Pleasentville is the only thing the town's inhabitants know. It's one of those really classic shows that has marathons on television channels dedicated to nostalgic TV and that's where this particular story comes in--during advertisements for such a marathon. The main star of the film, Tobey Maguire, plays a young teenage boy that is so nerdy and geeky he is obssessed with this particular show and must know everything there is to know about it. That, believe it or not, is actually his main purpse in life. He can answer any trivia question posed to him about the show and knows each character better than he knows his own family. The only problem is that his older sister (Reese Witherspoon) has a really hot date on the same night as the marathon and wants to watch something else with her hunk of burning love. A fight ensues and the remote winds up being broken in the process.
"See what you did?"
"What I did? It's your fault! You--"
Doorbell rings.
Enter Don Knotts, who was cast for obvious reasons (the Andy Griffith Show is one of the most loved shows from the golden days of the boob tube,) a TV repair man who doesn't even have to be phoned to find the right house who needs him. He immediately offers to repair the remote. Confused and surprised, the kids decide to go along with it. And who could blame them? Where could anyone find better service than this? However, it seems that Mr. Knotts has a more sinister plan up his sleeve. When he finds out the geeky kid is a Pleasentville expert he offers to give him a 'very special' remote control that he might just find more interesting. The kid agrees and the remote is given. No mention of payment is offered or asked--Don walks out the door to let the fight between Mrs. Sexpot and Mr. Andy Griffith Wannabe continue. However, this time, the battle for the remote winds up zapping both the teenagers into the world inside their television: Pleasentville. A world where people eat breakfasts large enough to feed an entire military battalion. A world where ice cream parlors are the chosen hangout for most teenagers. A world where Fathers work, Mothers stay home, and everybody is in bed by 10 at the latest. A world where television only happens at night and there are only three channels offered. And you can bet your bobby socks that it's a world where 'teen sex' is certainly not a phrase anyone is familiar with. In fact, even the adults show no sign of understanding it. Well, don't fear; Reese Witherspoon is about to change all of that.
And the reaction to this female Elvis from the future, with her sideburned lined vagina and her rockin' pelvis, is exactly perfect, completely honest, reflecting how both generations really reacted to Elvis when he appeared on The Milton Berle Show and caused such an outlash of insults from reporters everywhere. This can't happen! We refuse to hang out with the coloreds! Like the actual reaction from the establishment, who very wisely chose to ignore the real basis for their fears and spoke out about Elvis' talent instead, this film hides it's real meaning; Elvis changed white America and his effect was a positive one. But it says more than just that. It says that deep down we all really wanted to make peace and get along with everyone. Like Anne Frank's final thoughts shared on the wall of the basement she hid in, it says that we all wanted to get along--even with the coloreds. And it says that we wanted to be colored ourselves. Maybe not for the humilation, oppression and horrors that went with it, but for that special underground feeling of being free to do whatever comes to mind. To be totally independent. The film is about sexual freedom and the ability to respect it in others no matter what their choice is. It's about love, loss, hope, change, passion and maturity. But mostly, though as I mentioned earlier his name is never spoken, it's about Elvis Presley, who according to rock journalist Lester Bangs, "kicked 'How much is that doggie in the window' out the window and replaced it with "Let's F*ck!" The spirit of Elvis is alive more in this movie than films that are actually about Elvis, and the choice of the writers to put that spirit in the heart and soul of a young teenage girl from today is pure genius. Because today's women have changed, thanks to Elvis.
Right now some of you hardened liberals are probably reething in anger screaming out "Are you trying to say that Elvis influenced the feminist movement!?" You're damn right that's what I'm saying! Elvis influenced everything that came after 1956 (with the exception of Pauley Shore, I don't think Elvis had anything to do with that,) and before the women of the 60's became sexually liberated and began re-thinking their values someone had to come along and influence their hidden desires. Elvis was the man to do it. Sinatra was fading. Music was sucking. Passions were cooling and the country needed something to shake it loose of the puritanical squeeze that was put on it. Oh sure, if it had been some other white boy who sounded black that walked into Sun Studio that day it would've been someone else. But it wasn't, it was Elvis Presley. And he put the fire into our lives that we were missing. This film recaptures that fire better than any documentary I've ever seen. It's a great film and a great testament to the power and effect and continuing inspiration that Elvis Presley (and the black music that inspired him) had on America, including the awesome special effects of modern day Hollywood used to make the film hit home even harder. It even has the way the defiant one (Elvis / Reese Witherspoon) winds up giving into the way of the establishment, finding more interest in reading books as opposed to going back up to Lover's Lane to break more rules. And in doing so, it shows WHY Elvis made that move better than anything ever quoted from members of the Memphis Mafia, because his talent had caused the very change he was rebelling against. He made the change being different, and now that we were all different with him, it was necessary for him to become our opposite again. It was his very nature. Non-comformity was what Elvis was all about.
This film is today and yesterday all rolled into one, the psychology of it brilliant. The battles that still rage on today are shown in this film; Rush Limbaugh vrs the left wing extremists. Howard Stern vrs the uptight establishment. The battles of yesterday are even more obvious; Elvis vrs. the racists. Mark Twain vrs Christianity. And the biggest battle of our lifetime, the one that always remains no matter how much changes around us; Conformity vrs freedom and independence. Is it art reflecting life or life reflecting art? It's both. Like the painting that finally lands our hero (Tobey) and his friend and boss (Jeff Daniels) in jail, as they stand up for what is right and fight vehemently what is wrong; censorship, this film does just that once again in a kind of sad reverse way to keep those wolves at bay who might scream 'fowl' because they never really tried to understand what Elvis stood for. Like the battle between two teenagers fighting over a remote control, the memory of Rock and Roll's defiance in such oppressed times has an importance that still rings clearly in our memory. Finally the record is set straight and the power and force with which it all happened is captured on film accurately. Presley changed America forever and it will never be the same. And now, in a weird quiet and secretive kind of way, this film just might be added to the list of things that will forever make him immortal. Memphis. RCA. Las Vegas. And now, Pleasentville. What a nice 'colorful' addition to the family.

Herod
09-07-02, 07:08 PM
I'm not sure about your whole "Elvis" theory, and I have a few negative thoughts on the man, but that's not why I'm posting. I'm posting to congratulate you on having the longest first post I have ever seen.


Lock and load, happy birthday, let's get 'em, and stay frosty.

The Silver Bullet
09-07-02, 10:18 PM
Personally, I'm glad Elvis is dead.

Yoda
09-07-02, 10:21 PM
I think, as a parody, Pleasantville is great (well, the first act, at least). As a drama, however, I think Pleasantville bites.

The Silver Bullet
09-07-02, 10:26 PM
Doesn't that mean Pleasantville basically bites?

I disagree, but only partly, because I quite enjoyed the film all the time it was on. I never thought, "oh no, more not parody stuff..."

Yoda
09-07-02, 10:31 PM
I found Pleasantville's attempts to be dramatic and profound mostly boring...and a bunch of teenagers humping in cars frivelously isn't something I find it easy to get behind (pun intended). It was amusing...but it came off as preachy...as if sexual freedom was the answer to it all.

I didn't find any of it all that emotionally compelling...but I did find a lot of the jokes to be very, very funny.

"Honey...I'm HOME!"

LordSlaytan
09-07-02, 10:51 PM
I liked it because...I don't really know. I just did.

blibblobblib
09-08-02, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by shcomdey

And what a better representation of Elvis is there than a teenage girl's sexual passion. Her vagina itself, in this film, was Elvis,

Well im not too sure about that! lol, great interpretation though. :yup:

I think "Pleasantville" is an absolout master piece of a film. I loved it and the hidden metaphores in it. On the surface its just a clever sci-fi-ish ( a blibbism) film but it has so many diferent levels to it. I loved the whole 'garden of eden' thing they had going on. with the TV guy being god, giving these two poeple the chance to be adam and eve in a land of almost perfect purity. You even have the image of the forbidden apple and if i remember rightly toby maguire feeds it to a normal black and white girl who becomes washed with colour after her first bite. Showing them all slowly giving into temptation as soon as it is offered to them all.

Then you also have the whole coloured versus black and white thing, being the metaphore for racial equality as mentioned in the first post by shcomdy.
I havnt seen it for a long while and i spose theres a lot more to it. But i just love it. very clever and touching film.:p

Steve
09-08-02, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Yoda
I found Pleasantville's attempts to be dramatic and profound mostly boring...and a bunch of teenagers humping in cars frivelously isn't something I find it easy to get behind (pun intended). It was amusing...but it came off as preachy...as if sexual freedom was the answer to it all.

I didn't find any of it all that emotionally compelling...but I did find a lot of the jokes to be very, very funny.

"Honey...I'm HOME!"

I don't think the movie was making too much of a case for sexual freedom. The movie is about change, not sexuality. I like how it lampoons what I always thought of as "Eisenhower's America", and I agree that some of the jokes are hilarious.

Oh, and it's beautifully photographed. Hopefully everyone reading this thread agrees to that.

I didn't buy the whole civil rights allegory. It didn't interest me at all, and was really tacky and ham-fisted. Apart from that, i think the movie is fabulous.

Herod
09-08-02, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Steve

I didn't buy the whole civil rights allegory. It didn't interest me at all, and was really tacky and ham-fisted. Apart from that, i think the movie is fabulous.
:yup: :yup: :yup:
Yes, yes, so many yes-es

Yoda
09-08-02, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Steve
I don't think the movie was making too much of a case for sexual freedom. The movie is about change, not sexuality. I like how it lampoons what I always thought of as "Eisenhower's America", and I agree that some of the jokes are hilarious.

Oh, and it's beautifully photographed. Hopefully everyone reading this thread agrees to that.

I didn't buy the whole civil rights allegory. It didn't interest me at all, and was really tacky and ham-fisted. Apart from that, i think the movie is fabulous.
Well, the changes stemmed, if I remember correctly, from sex, first and foremost. It branched out...but it was pretty blatant in its leaning there, I thought. They go into a show based in, I believe, the 50s and 60s, and bring the 70s to life with rampant sex.

Anyhoo, yes, it was wonderfully photographed and completely hilarious early on. Gotta love the gym scene.

The Silver Bullet
09-08-02, 08:23 PM
Well, the changes stemmed, if I remember correctly, from sex, first and foremost. It branched out...but it was pretty blatant in its leaning there, I thought. They go into a show based in, I believe, the 50s and 60s, and bring the 70s to life with rampant sex.

Not for Tobey - he becomes coloured because he stood up for himself and for his mother. If I remember correctly, Reese's character doesn't change colour after sex, in fact the line is spoken:

"Maybe it's not just the sex."

You're preoccupied Chrissly.
I suggest you get some.

:D

LordSlaytan
09-08-02, 09:00 PM
Freedom, in all its various aspects and intricacies the central theme? The answer it may be, yeessss.

Herod
09-08-02, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by The Silver Bullet



You're preoccupied Chrissly.
I suggest you get some.

:D

Most agreed.
You're a handsome man, Chris, go get yours.

Naisy
09-08-02, 10:43 PM
That is not cool, geez hero if you think he is so good why dont you try and have the first ever PM cyber :D? :sick:

Yoda
09-08-02, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by The Silver Bullet
Not for Tobey - he becomes coloured because he stood up for himself and for his mother. If I remember correctly, Reese's character doesn't change colour after sex, in fact the line is spoken:

"Maybe it's not just the sex."
Yes, I know...but the implication is that that's what STARTS it. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout, Gummly.


Originally posted by The Silver Bullet
You're preoccupied Chrissly.
I suggest you get some.
Some? Some what? What ever do you mean? :modest:

Originally posted by Naisy
That is not cool, geez hero if you think he is so good why dont you try and have the first ever PM cyber :D? :sick:
I seriously doubt it would be the first.

Naisy
09-08-02, 11:18 PM
that is not cool, i meant for THIS site, and if thats what you meant, than what have you been reading that i havent???

Yoda
09-08-02, 11:20 PM
Yeah, for this site. The forums were, at one time, highly known for their flirtiness. Thousands and thousands of PMs have been sent...It's probably happened. Not that it matters. If that's what people wanna do, hey, whatever...as long as they keep it to themselves, basically.

Naisy
09-08-02, 11:24 PM
well i wasnt exactly planning on making a cyber thread. Let me guess one week before i joined everyone stopped flirting (just my luck :D ) except for Sades, i still remember the list of Sades admirers (and now shes gone!!)

The Silver Bullet
09-08-02, 11:44 PM
Many, many, many admirers, yes.

Let us laugh at them muchly now, eh?

:rotfl:

Naisy
09-09-02, 12:08 AM
:rotfl: (at the admirers)

here is the top five list IN order:

Raziel1 (not a post went by without a flirtation device attached)
JR (enough said)
SB (you know you wanted it)
and another 500 or so odd members (all hit dead level)

Monkeypunch
09-09-02, 02:13 AM
I liked Pleasantville a lot. I thought it was just funny and had a lot of good things to say. It was a very good satire on the repressive and racist attitudes of the 1950's that never were addressed on sitcoms of the era. It was a direct counterpoint to the " Good Ol' Family Values" mafia that has run our country for so long. I kind of got the message that art, rock and roll, free-thinking, sex, and banned books will set us all free! :D I think I like that.

Naisy
09-09-02, 02:20 AM
yes it had many good hidden meanings and i also enjoyed watching it (meaningful entertainment i never thought i would see the day)

The Silver Bullet
09-09-02, 10:20 AM
SB (you know you wanted it)

Whatever.

Your list makes no sense, you don't know half of anything, so shutup, alright?

:rolleyes:

FanBoy
09-09-02, 12:00 PM
I actually loved the movie, though I will admit I am a bit biased b/c it was my first date with my wife. Here's a small review I wrote a few years back:

"Dawn and I recently rewatched this film for the first time since our first date and I am sad to say that I had forgotten just how good this movie was. Some people describe it has an attack on the 1950's, but I don't see it that way. I see this movie as making the statement that free will is essential to living a full life. The director uses color to show the transformation that takes place as people begin to exercise their newfound free will. As the movie's characters begin to grow they start to escape their black and white world and gain color. For many people in the film this ability is represented through sex, but for others it is something more profound. Jeff Daniels' character expresses himself through paintings. Witherspoon's catalyst is opening her MIND by reading a book for the first time in her life. Tobey MacGuire who has always seen "Pleasantville" as the perfect place to live begins his change when he stands up for his mother. Compare that scene to the beginning of the film when he essentially ignores his mother. Overall this is a fantastic film on all levels."

Herod
09-18-02, 12:02 AM
Right now some of you hardened liberals are probably reething in anger screaming out "Are you trying to say that Elvis influenced the feminist movement!?"

Wow, you know us hardened liberals so well.
:rolleyes:

It's funny to me, that in a post where he actually uses the phrase:
with her sideburned lined vagina and her rockin' pelvis
he's chosen that to have "offended" us with this.


I've run through the argument, and the whole thing is pretty ridiculous. More than anything, it's amazingly biased towards Elvis' affect on the culture of te world, or race relations. While Elvis has affected a lot of music, his influence is not quite as far reaching as is implied, and as for race relations... I wouldn't consider stealing something from African-Americans a huge step forward in this area.

I think you're reading a bit too deep into this film, Schomedy, and like the time I tried to convince friends that Pulp Fiction was an allegory for the bible, grasping at straws to fit your current state of mind.


:D

Jozie
10-09-02, 06:54 PM
You know, guys, a lot of this reads like fourth-grade-washroom graffitti. give it a break!
Pleasantville was about learning to deal with new ideas. Of course if all your ideas revolve around teenage sex, that limits your field a bit. But wake up! What about the paintings (one of the crux points), what about the books? What about courage? It was not a great movie, but I thought Tobey Maguire did a good job, and the movie had something to say in a mild-mannered sort of way.
You guys all get so hot and bothered!
No kisses this time,
Jozie

Yoda
10-09-02, 10:05 PM
:laugh: I want my kisses!

No, it's not all about teenage sex. I've said as much, and I believe as much. No, it's not the message of the film...I'm not saying it is, really. But the idea is right there: sexual liberation goes hand in hand with all these other good things the film depicts. It's pretty direct. It obviously includes a liberal sexual policy (wow, I'm scaring myself with this terminology) as part of a healthy, open-minded sorta life.

I'm sure I'm coming off as an ultra-conservative prude, but the implication is as plain as day.

Mary Loquacious
10-09-02, 10:14 PM
I just find it kinda funny that someone posted a college analysis paper on this site. All he's missing is an "In today's society" to start it off and an "In conclusion" on the last paragraph (at least, I don't think I read either one of those trusty chestnuts).

You go, boy-whose-username-I-don't-remember, you, your Elvis vagina, and your over-educated self.

Naisy
10-13-02, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Jozie
You know, guys, a lot of this reads like fourth-grade-washroom graffitti. give it a break!
Pleasantville was about learning to deal with new ideas. Of course if all your ideas revolve around teenage sex, that limits your field a bit. But wake up! What about the paintings (one of the crux points), what about the books? What about courage? It was not a great movie, but I thought Tobey Maguire did a good job, and the movie had something to say in a mild-mannered sort of way.
You guys all get so hot and bothered!
No kisses this time,
Jozie

you took the words right out of my mouth, it must of been when you werent kissen me, nah on a serious note what is written there i agree with 1000% , it was all about the learning of new ideas and adopting new concepts (which is where the color came in) good post Jozie, a good post indeed, and no one can honestly say otherwise :yup:

Herod
10-14-02, 06:42 PM
I can.



*kicks something in self-loathing frustration... *

Naisy
10-15-02, 10:10 PM
well Hero put your money where your mouth is what was seriously wrong with hmmmmm? :skeptical::D

Herod
10-15-02, 10:35 PM
Well,
Most of us were contending the sexual implications of this movie, and in Chrissly's part, even arguing against it. So I thought that her generalized denouncement of this thread as a lot of this reads like fourth-grade-washroom graffitti. give it a break!

when half of us had not even brought up the issue of sex, is, well, unfair. And besides, I'm not sure that fourth graders have ever maturely discussed the sexual aspects of a film, espescially on bathroom walls.

The Silver Bullet
10-16-02, 10:09 AM
The only one being ridiculous was the guy who started the thread. No one else has that weird Elvis fetish. I'm with Herod all the way on this one. 1000% And no one can possibly say otherwise.

And all that other suck up flavoured rubbish Naisy was intent on puring into Jozie's mouth...

Yoda
10-16-02, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Herodotus
And besides, I'm not sure that fourth graders have ever maturely discussed the sexual aspects of a film, espescially on bathroom walls.
Simply not true. If you go to your local elementary school, you're sure to see "Eyes Wide Shut was glorified softcore pornography; Kubrick's worst by far" scribbled all over the walls of the John. :D

LordSlaytan
10-16-02, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Yoda

Simply not true. If you go to your local elementary school, you're sure to see "Eyes Wide Shut was glorified softcore pornography; Kubrick's worst by far" scribbled all over the walls of the John. :D

Shouldn't that post be in http://www.movieforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3094 ? :D

Yoda
10-16-02, 08:12 PM
:laugh: Not a bad idea.

Jozie
11-08-02, 08:30 PM
Geeeez! First there are no good movies any more, and sort of no more good movie reviews. Just people standing in their own boxes and raving. Ranting also. What an overheated buncha guys. At least the four letter words are mostly confined to "film," "sure," and "Elvis."

No, wait, that last one has five letters.

Okay, Yoda, maybe one for you . . .

But still shaking my head,
Jozie

Deckard
08-08-03, 12:08 PM
Surprisingly good, i dont usually go in for this sort of stuff but you really have to stand in awe of the cinematography in this one. Thankfully there is a brilliant, textured script and well realised charecter perfromances from all the cast.

Full of social commentary and ultimately uplifting, this film captures an era and really takes teh audience back in time. The whole premise is amusing from the get go and allows the strory to raise a multitude of questions.

Really a modern delight not to be missed.

blibblobblib
08-19-03, 06:52 PM
I must have this film for my birthday! Most deffers :yup:

csido
08-22-03, 02:47 AM
what a big bunch of controversy about a film that i thought was far from controversial.

i thought pleasantville was good. A simple theme; encouraging people to embrace change and look beyond the familiar, and well executed.

however it failed the most important test of all. The stay awake test. I am impatient, impetuous and have a short attention span. I like to think of these as features as opposed to flaws, since they allow me the ability to gauge the sucess of anything.

fall asleep = bad
stay awake = good

i fell asleep three quarters thru pleasantville.... thats bad. ;D

j

Kong
08-22-03, 03:49 AM
Well, the changes stemmed, if I remember correctly, from sex, first and foremost.

No, no, no, no, no.

But, it's easy to see how one could arrive to such a conclusion.

Especially if you have only seen it once or twice. Kong thinks that Ross used Reese Witherspoon's characte to show that sex wasn't making the changes. She had tons of sex, but stayed black-and-white while the others changed. So, sex is not the answer. What caused the change in color was feeling. These people lived in a homoginized cookie cutter town where every emotion and feeling was dulled and dampened into oblivion, but they finally colorize when the first truly feel some major emotion deep inside their hearts. For many of the characters this occured with the act of sex, but not simply because of it.

Yoda
03-07-04, 06:58 PM
Resurrecting an old thread; I trust no one'll mind. :)

Well, people, mark this day on your calendars, because I'm going to admit I was wrong; at least partially.

Gummly was right: it wasn't just about sex. He's also right in stating that her character was explicitly used to make it clear that it wasn't just about sex. The film's message is much broader than that. However, I think one my later posts was closer to the mark:

But the idea is right there: sexual liberation goes hand in hand with all these other good things the film depicts. It's pretty direct. It obviously includes a liberal sexual policy (wow, I'm scaring myself with this terminology) as part of a healthy, open-minded sorta life.I still think this particular observation is pretty accurate; while the film's message is not purely sexual, that's clearly part of the mix. It doesn't advocate rampant sex, but it definitively rejects old-fashioned sexual mores.

It's pretty dismissive about anything old, really, likening sexual discretion or past husband/wife roles to things like racism and bigotry. That's really the only thing I object to. The film recognizes (and rightly so) that not everything we do is good, and that having done something in the past is not necessarily reason enough to keep doing it. The problem is that Pleasantville goes to the other extreme: it efficiently lumps any sort of classic morality into the same pile as various forms of close-mindedness and intolerance, painting personality types with the same start contrast as their physical representations.

I'd have found the film quite powerful, I imagine, if it'd adopted a more sensible attitude towards the necessary blend of new ideas and respect for the time-tested old ones. There's a lot to be learned from the past. Most traditions got to be traditions because they have some sense to them. Pleasantville would have you believe that we must choose to blindly follow the traditions of the past, or else embrace across-the-board, impulsive liberation.

Forgive the pun, but real life isn't that black and white.

Jozie
03-08-04, 01:35 PM
Dearest Green Machine,
I think that is a wonderful post. I like to see you have a really serious side to you as well as the cute funny one y ou usually show us. I think you are so right. There are good things about the old stuff and good things about the new stuff and its upto us to make our own choices about which is which.
And that makes us stop and think.
I can vote in this next election, and I bet a lot of the people who go to this forum can vote, too. & thats why I want everybody to read the letter that my sis-in-law (she's the Flick Chick, you know) has put up in the editorial part of that E-zine. I think it makes good sense, read it and see if you think so too.
Also she liked the poem I wrote for you guys and she put it in the Zine. See if you can find it. It has my name on it, too! Sort of. (tee-hee)
Here is the link to that editorial. If you like it, pass it on, if you don't just keep hands off and walk on by.
So byebye dear friends
Love & kisses & I will be back sooooooooooon!
(wink)
Jozie

http://www.freelookbookstore.com/E-Zine/political.html

PS if you send it on, better make all your bud's names bindcopies.
B/cause . . . :eek:
You know, you know,
you never know
where e-mails end
when you let go!
(tee-hee)

Jozie
03-08-04, 01:39 PM
Also we are going to try to see that Mel Gibson movie this week. It sounds sort of scary, but I'm such a homebody that I only go with relatives and girlfriends. Wish I had somebody nice to go with me and hold my hand. (sigh) Maybe next year.
(wink) ;)
xxx & ***
Jozie

Jozie
03-08-04, 01:55 PM
I think, as a parody, Pleasantville is great (well, the first act, at least). As a drama, however, I think Pleasantville bites.

Dear Yoda. I have been gone so long Inever sawyour quote stuff. I love it!

Jozie :)

Gideon58
03-21-14, 06:25 PM
Don't get the whole Elvis theory the OP is purporting, but I thought this film was just brilliant. Imaginative and beautifully filmed. Joan Allen was robbed of an Oscar nomination.