Lundy's Random Thought Of The Day

[lundy1026]

Hello everyone! (Or myself--If nobody decides to read this, lol) I just thought it would be interesting to have my own thread to post whatever is on my mind for the day. Putting in misc. category since my mind is a misc. thing.

Anyways, I want to start it off with this youtube video I watched last night because it really gave me the goosebumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXDX6KpfHaM

You can laugh it up all you want but I am a believer in aliens, UFOs and the extraterrestrial and paranormal. Anyways, this is all real footage people got (Yes, some have been explained and de-bunked--but others not) And towards the end there is a really freaky call from someone who used to work in the government section 51 (Who I guess deals with the cover-up of the extraterrestrial) The phone call he made to the radio host is what gave me the chills.

In 2012 alone there has already been reports of over 100 UFO sightings. Now I am not a crazy "END OF THE WORLD" person who believes the 2012 appocalispe or something like that, but I watched the History Channel movie called "UFOs and the White House" and when I heard the phone call made on the youtube vid I posted I really believed what he said.

It is 12 mins long so hopefully you have time to view it and have a discussion with me. If nobody views it or wants to talk to me about it, I completely understand. I know some people think believers in aliens are wack-jobs.

Anyways--If I have any comments, COOL! If not, then hopefully you'll like tomorrows post of the day. ;)

[bouncingbrick]

The problem I have with Aliens is that we are so incredibly far from any planet that could potentially hold life that it's highly unlikely that they are visiting us. I absolutely believe in life on other planets and intelligent life would logically be part of that, but if you really think they are just buzzing us without actually stopping to say hello, you're nuts. There's no way in hell they'd travel hundreds of thousands of light years just to remain slightly out of our sight. The first thing they'd do is announce themselves to us.

In summation, not a single one of those things is extraterrestrial in origin. Sorry, but they just aren't.

Concerning the paranormal...ug. I hate that stuff even more than alien talk. If there were any such thing we'd have proof by now. Not blurry pictures and nearly inaudible recordings of voices. There's no such thing as ghosts.

[lundy1026]

The part where they guy called the radio station, that was more believable than the footage. Well, for one because I know most of it has been proven to be fake. And two, there is so much movie software-- it's easy for people to make fake videos. But it just creeps me out. In a good way sort of..... My optimism of being alive the day we finally make contact with extraterrestrial beings makes me get overly excited when I hear news about UFOs and stuff. I know that sounds silly... Space just fascinates me and the idea that aliens may have already discovered earth and they are studing us from afar (or making visits to earth in UFOs--trying to remain unsceen or something) It just excites me because I am so hopeful that I will be alive when it happens.

Yeah, I know there is no "Proof" with paranormal...... but when you die, something happens. I wish I knew.

[bouncingbrick]

But is it really realistic to you that aliens would fly all that way and not make themselves known? That's where I always have trouble with these things. It's like swimming from Japan to California and then not visiting Disney Land. :)

When we die we either simply rot in the ground or whatever is left of us simply leaves this plane of existence. You pick.

I'm surprised no one else has chimed in on this one, I find this subject to be pretty polarizing. I guess no MoFoers give a crap about life after death...

[lundy1026]

I'd pick leaves this plane of existence because I think our souls go somewhere as our body rots in the ground. I'm surprised too that nobody else had any thoughts

[honeykid]

I don't think you get to pick, lundy. As with everything else, it just happens... Or not, as the case may be.

[Sami4u]

Hi,

The first thing they'd do is announce themselves to us.

It is inconceivable to me that if you fell in to a rattle snake den that you would want to announce yourself. :)

We do not know that they don't think of us as anything but that.

If I had the ability to travel to a different world and did not know the language I think I would hide as quietly as I could and watch.


Yeah, I know there is no "Proof" with paranormal...... but when you die, something happens. I wish I knew.

I think Einstein was working on that theory, that matter is neither created nor destroyed.

Do we really have any "Proof" on anything or are we all as Poe put it living a "Dream within a Dream"

Sami

[lundy1026]

Great thoughts Sami. On the History Channel movie "UFOs and the white house", they meantioned that the day after Pearl Harbor (or a few days after--can't remember exact) that there was unidentified aircraft over California which cause our military to have a big shootout into the sky--if I can find this on youtube I will put in the link-- anyways, the "ufo" apparently was moving in an up and down motion and had a shape unlike any aircraft in existance at the dayinage. There was no damage to it and nobody had answers to where it came from or belonged.

The point I am trying to make is (and it goes along with what you said about not making yourself know in a snake den) our human race is so distructive and just llike I meantioned, our military shoots down any unidentifiable aircraft they cant communicate through because of the threat of terrorism...... UGH it's difficult to express what i'm trying to say. The aliens probably know how hazardous and distructive in nature we are so they DONT want us to know that they already know we are here. There has been so many UFO sightings--and presidents have actually SPOKEN about alien life in speaches. Why would aliens want to make contact with us? Somehow we'd probably end up starting a war against them lol. Unfortunatly. It's too bad because there are people who would give ANYTHING to make contact with extraterrestrial (me being one of them).

[bouncingbrick]

If they can travel across the universe what do they have to fear from us? If they announce themselves and we start s*** with them they can just pack up and leave. It's not as if we can follow them.

And, again, I don't think you guys are really thinking about what they have to do to get here. If they travel without the use of some sort of wormhole/teleportation it would take thousands of years to get here. What would be the point of traveling all that way to just sit there and observe?

The incident you're talking about, lundy, is The Battle of Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles). Not to be congfused with that stupid film.

[Sami4u]

Hi,

If they can travel across the universe what do they have to fear from us? If they announce themselves and we start s*** with them they can just pack up and leave. It's not as if we can follow them.


I can see it now. They want the tax break. :rotfl:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,...

Just because you might have the power to do or control don't mean you will. Research is the key.

Sami

[lundy1026]

If they can travel across the universe what do they have to fear from us? If they announce themselves and we start s*** with them they can just pack up and leave. It's not as if we can follow them.

And, again, I don't think you guys are really thinking about what they have to do to get here. If they travel without the use of some sort of wormhole/teleportation it would take thousands of years to get here. What would be the point of traveling all that way to just sit there and observe?

The incident you're talking about, lundy, is The Battle of Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles). Not to be congfused with that stupid film.

Maybe they have figured a way to travel via the many of black holes there are. I mean, scientist havn't a CLUE whats on the other side of those mysterious things. I'm sure--and this is hypathetically speaking of course--they would know a "short cut" into different solar systems.
To your qquestion of "what would be the point to sit and observe?" I don't know.

Yes, that is the innident, thanks for putting in the link!

It would be pretty cool if there was a use of black holes/wormholes/dementional ways for travel in space.

[Mountaineer]

I think a lot of sightings have been experimental military aircraft. And I am convinced that engineers and scientists have developed anti-gravity vehicles. I live in Arizona, and I have seen lots of these 'amber orbs'. I have literally pulled off the road and watched these things for an hour. They often appear as a line or V-formation, and the lights might click on sequentially one at a time. Then the lights may also turn off and reappear some minutes later in the same place. I also have seen these lights change or blend colors.

These are a dime a dozen in Arizona. And there is a lot of military airspace in this state. I have also seen what' has been referred to as 'standard white dots.' Simply white dots that move aimlessly, or meander around in the sky. I have never seen anything dramatic, or up close.

But I'm totally open to the extra-terrestrial visitation thing too. And I find it totally plausible that they would have the technology to travel vast distances at something like light speed, or using time travel.

Why won't they reveal themselves? They have their reasons, along with what Lundy says. Maybe they don't think we are mature or evolved enough. It almost seems that we are being conditioned for an eventual announcement anyways. I'm not saying ET exists for sure. But I am open to the possibility.

[Deadite]

Aliens most likely use forms of travel that eliminate the problem of distance. Folding spacetime, wormholes, whatever you want to call it. I don't think physically traveling the universe is feasible except by machines alone, so biological creatures will come here through shortcuts. As for why they don't initiate open contact, that's a big "duh" - they wouldn't see us as their equals and they would likely follow their version of the Prime Directive: non-interference with younger civilizations.

But we can't just assume our ideas will hold true. The universe/multiverse is a big weird place, to say the least. Our ideas of what is or isn't possible are only that - ideas. We can't always project our logical systems onto it and pretend we have certainty. For all we know, we may exist in an abnormal pocket of spacetime that behaves differently from some greater universal status quo.

[bouncingbrick]

The experimental craft is one of the most logical explanations for these phenomenon. There's even a wiki page or two about the subjec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft))t.

The only thing I ask, because I know I'm not going to change your mind, is for you to really think about what you're saying. They have traveled either thousands of years or folded the very fabric of reality only to occasionally buzz our planet and cause a ruckus. That's ridiculous. If they are simply observing, then I assure you, with their technology, they can do that without us ever having a clue. I promise you that no human being has ever seen an aircraft of extraterrestrial origin.

[lundy1026]

Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts. I love to hear everyone's different point of views on this subject. Bouncingbrick, thanks for inserting links so I could futher my knowledge and understandings.
And everyone else who commented on this, I found every bodys point of view to be pretty cool. I'm glad people shared their thoughts. I'm really into the Space Science and stuff so it all intregues me so much!

As for a new thought of the day, I will post one later as I have some Valentine plans.
HAPPY VALENTINES DAY EVERYONE! :)

[mark f]

Easy Rider Explains It All.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73PnAymHAHk

[Mountaineer]

I have the Easy Rider DVD. Every time I watch that scene with Jack Nicholson, it makes me wonder if someone is using the media and movies to deliver a message.

True, they wouldn't negotiate distance in the traditional sense, except for short hops. I definitely think a lot of it is top-secret military projects. I'm not saying either way whether ET is out there. But I don't see how anyone can rule out the possibility. There is just too much information that has leaked out. And some credible military sources and even an astronaut says ET is reality.

As you say, aliens could very well observe us covertly.But some body or something wants us to see them whether it is military or other. Look at all the sightings where these things just park in the sky or move slowly over populated areas.

For the UFO non-believers there is the disinformation theory. Supposedly, the top military powers have technology that is hard for us to comprehend. Like straight out of a science fiction novel. Could extra-terrestrial life be an elaborate disinformation campaign to divert us from investigating super-advanced man made aircraft?

Was it Einstein or some other great thinker that said it would be arrogant for us to think we were the only intelligent species in the universe? Maybe Einstein was one of them

[honeykid]

Firstly, intelligent life doesn't necessarily mean more intelligent than us and, supposing that it is, they'd still have to obey the laws of physics.

[Deadite]

Not necessarily. They might obey different laws.

[bouncingbrick]

I have the Easy Rider DVD. Every time I watch that scene with Jack Nicholson, it makes me wonder if someone is using the media and movies to deliver a message.

True, they wouldn't negotiate distance in the traditional sense, except for short hops. I definitely think a lot of it is top-secret military projects. I'm not saying either way whether ET is out there. But I don't see how anyone can rule out the possibility. There is just too much information that has leaked out. And some credible military sources and even an astronaut says ET is reality.

As you say, aliens could very well observe us covertly.But some body or something wants us to see them whether it is military or other. Look at all the sightings where these things just park in the sky or move slowly over populated areas.

For the UFO non-believers there is the disinformation theory. Supposedly, the top military powers have technology that is hard for us to comprehend. Like straight out of a science fiction novel. Could extra-terrestrial life be an elaborate disinformation campaign to divert us from investigating super-advanced man made aircraft?

Just answer my one question, if they are smart enough to travel all that way just to observe us, why the hell would they not be able to hide completely from us?

Was it Einstein or some other great thinker that said it would be arrogant for us to think we were the only intelligent species in the universe? Maybe Einstein was one of them

Show me where I said intelligent life doesn't exist. I have no doubt there is intelligent life on other planets. In fact, given the vastness of space and the amount of planets out there, there's probably hundreds of thousands of other smart life forms out there. They just either can't get here or are hiding out there in the cosmos.

Think about this, if your an alien and you left your home planet and could travel hundreds of thousands of light years away, what are the odds that you'd even make it to Earth? Tiny. So, not only do they have to figure out how to get here (breaking what we know about the laws of physics, most likely), but you have to accidently stumble upon us! It's just too far fetched for me to accept that they did all that and then decided not to show themselves. I'd think they'd be eager to say hello because I can't imagine a reason you'd do all that unless you meant to make contact.

Besides, given the fact that we've had UFO sightings for decades, you'd think they'd have gathered enough information by now. Why not drop down and say hello? It's absurd to think that they're just floating around out there watching us after all they've done to get here. Unless they're smart enough to get here but too damn stupid to want to talk to us. :rolleyes:

[Mountaineer]

Sorry, Man. I overlooked your first posting to this conversation. I see where you stand on this issue.

Maybe they don't want to hide from us all the time. It could be that they're gradually conditioning us for their reality.

Laws of physics on earth? What about the rest of the universe?

[bouncingbrick]

Sorry, Man. I overlooked your first posting to this conversation. I see where you stand on this issue.

Maybe they don't want to hide from us all the time. It could be that their gradually conditioning us for their reality.

Laws of physics on earth? What about the rest of the universe?

This is the only monkey in the wrench of my argument. I don't know enough about physics, much less theoretical physics, to make a point about it. But, given what we know about it, you have to admit it's quite a long distance to travel to sit idly by.

All I know is if they really are here, I'm going to be the first one to sign up to leave this planet when they share their technology with us. I've never really felt at ease in my own skin and I think a change of planet might just be the ticket for me! :D I doubt most of you will miss me. ;)

[Mountaineer]

This is the only monkey in the wrench of my argument. I don't know enough about physics, much less theoretical physics, to make a point about it. But, given what we know about it, you have to admit it's quite a long distance to travel to sit idly by.

All I know is if they really are here, I'm going to be the first one to sign up to leave this planet when they share their technology with us. I've never really felt at ease in my own skin and I think a change of planet might just be the ticket for me! :D I doubt most of you will miss me. ;)

You and me both, Brick. And I sometimes feel like I am being tested to see how I deal with problems in life. I'd like to think they have a Utopian society, where ever they are. Reserve a spot on the Mothership for me.

[lundy1026]

And me as well! Brick, you make a great point stating that if they know where we are and are so advanced, they should have already made contact. I'm agreeing with that more as I research and get more perspectives. I 100% believe in aliens but I no longer 100% believe aliens know of our where-abouts and ar "studying" us and waiting for the right time to make contact. I say no longer 100% but I don't mean 0% because there is a gut "intuition" (I guess thats the word i'm looking for) that tells me they do know of us and that -in a rare case- their UFOs have been spotted.

I'd to bring an idea out from a movie: Knowing. Not that I believe it will happen, but I found it interesting to contemplate. The aliens knew Earth was going to be destroyed by the massive solar flare in the direct path of Earth, so they "chose" a few dozen children and took them to a new planet as ours came to an end. Now i'm not an END OF THE WORLD, DOOMSDAY, 2012, APPOCOLYSP fenatic but of course those topics strike interest in me. What i'm about to say is just hypathitical...
Say the End of the world is coming soon. Maybe not this 2012 year but within this decade. The UFOs sightings reports may be phenominally escalating because perhaps aliens know there will be a celestrial occurance that will end life on Earth. The extraterrestrial may bedetermaining which species-plant/animal- shall be preserved. Not that they'd take every one of that species, but they could be determining the best choices of each species they will preserve as the rest and Earth parishes.

Like I said, its not my belief, but the idea of it occured to me. Inspired thought provoked by Knowing. And Mountain, I too share that feeling of being "tested". I have as long as I can remember.

[Mountaineer]

Hmm..................interesting Lundy. What you say in the third paragraph is similar to a theory I hear every now and then.

Us earthlings in a fishbowl might be the aliens' science project and they check on us to see how we're doing? I still think it is more likely that we are being visited. But Brick and the other contributors really got me to re-evaluate this whole issue.

[bouncingbrick]

While the idea that we are experiments in a fish bowl is fascinating, I always liked the idea better that we are actually a simulation of some sort. I like the theory that we all exists as some giant computer program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis). Then instead of the question being "what happens to us when we die" it becomes "where does my code go when I die?" :)

I forget what the exact number was, but a few years back some scientist said there was a chance that we were just a computer simulation (20%, maybe?). This theory comes around all the time, but it still fascinates me. Maybe one day one of us will figure out how to change the reality around us, like Neo! :D

[Mountaineer]

Yeah, I read about the computer simulation theory too. So in a sense, maybe we reboot when our lives end?

[lundy1026]

That would be pretty awesome if that's what we really are. Matrix is awesome and if someone found out we really were a simulation and could figure ways to alter it, that'd be amazing. And about that simulation theory of posibly "rebooting" when our lives end... where exactally would that bring us? Would we essetially re-live our life over again? Like in the same centery, ect. and possibly make different choices and see different paths our life could have taken? Or is it like, you get rebooted into a "conception" and become a new born and live life in linear time? I just don't fully understand how it would work.

I think it would be neat if when you died, you could relive your life and make different choices that might have been 'regrets' in your past life. Although, when your rebooted you wouldnt remember your past life so how would you know about what choices you wanted to make differently... AHHH my mind can wander so much on these topics! :)

[Mountaineer]

The implications are mind-blowing

[lundy1026]

My new thought of the day; The media is SOOO focused on failed marriages of celebraties and they forget to give recognition to those who have succesful marriages. I think we should bring up a few because we should be proud of them for setting a good example for the younger generations.
It's sad because in the past, marriage was such a sacred thing that was suppost to be a promise between two people to stick it out together for life. These days, it almost feels like celebraties use marriage as a "trend" or "fling".
This is why I'd like to give a congrats to those celebraties who marry for the right reason and keep their promise of love for life. :)

The first I'd like to meantion is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Tobey_Maguire_2007_Shankbone.jpg/220px-Tobey_Maguire_2007_Shankbone.jpg
Tobey Maguire
-Began dating Jennifer Meyer 2003, engaged 2006, married 2007. Currently have 2 kids and are perfectly happy. :)

[honeykid]

You can't really say they'll be together forever when they've only been married for 5 years. The only successful marriages are the ones where one (or both) of you die while still married.

[lundy1026]

Well yes I suppose, but you have to admit that 5 years is still much longer than many other marriage fails in the celebrity world. OOH and Tobey is going to be in the new Great Gatsby!!! Can't wait!!
Back on subject--as I just got distracted--can you think of any celebs who have died with a sucessful marriage??

[honeykid]

5 years is about 15-20 years in celebrity world. Of course, they're helped greatly by the fact that his wife isn't in the fame game.

As for the successful marriage, Anna Nicole Smith and J. Howard Marshall. Bogie and Bacall. Liz Taylor and Mike Todd. They're the only ones that come to mind atm. I'm sure there's plenty of others.

[mark f]

Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward: 50 years, ended by his death.

[bouncingbrick]

Christopher Plummer has been married three times, but his current wife and he got married in 1970. That's pretty admirable.

Marriage is overrated...just don't tell my wife I said that! :D

[lundy1026]

All three of you listed admirable celeb marriages. Thanks! I hope to see some of the current marriages of celebs last as long. :)

So what I was just thinking about was moments ago I looked at the time and it was 11:11 (of course I made a wish ;):p lol ). I watched that movies 11/11/11--Didn't find it to be worth a 2nd watch as I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would have based on the preview--and I noticed that I too see 11 many times. I do not believe there is a satanic connection with the number or anything mythological in any aspects with it, I just find it coincidental that it pops up so much. I wanted to know if anyone has that happen to them too? Even it it's not an 11, what number is it??

For me, 11:11 is a time on the clock I catch by chance probably about 3-4 times a week. I always try to make a wish even though I don't believe there is real luck connected in making wishes at that time. I've read some pretty interesting stuff on the 11:11 phenomena and I wanted to see if anyone actually believes in that stuff too?
(I wont think your weird if you believe in a spiritual doorway connection or what-not, I love hearing peoples views on this stuff)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11:11_(numerology)

So the main things I am asking are 1. Does 11:11 (or 11 in general) appear often in your daily life? 2. Is there a different number that appear often to you? 3. Do you believe there is any connection to the number 11 or do you think its just a coincedence?

[bouncingbrick]

All three of you listed admirable celeb marriages. Thanks! I hope to see some of the current marriages of celebs last as long. :)


Why?


So what I was just thinking about was moments ago I looked at the time and it was 11:11 (of course I made a wish ;):p lol ). I watched that movies 11/11/11--Didn't find it to be worth a 2nd watch as I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would have based on the preview--and I noticed that I too see 11 many times. I do not believe there is a satanic connection with the number or anything mythological in any aspects with it, I just find it coincidental that it pops up so much. I wanted to know if anyone has that happen to them too? Even it it's not an 11, what number is it??

For me, 11:11 is a time on the clock I catch by chance probably about 3-4 times a week. I always try to make a wish even though I don't believe there is real luck connected in making wishes at that time. I've read some pretty interesting stuff on the 11:11 phenomena and I wanted to see if anyone actually believes in that stuff too?
(I wont think your weird if you believe in a spiritual doorway connection or what-not, I love hearing peoples views on this stuff)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11:11_(numerology)

So the main things I am asking are 1. Does 11:11 (or 11 in general) appear often in your daily life? 2. Is there a different number that appear often to you? 3. Do you believe there is any connection to the number 11 or do you think its just a coincedence?

I was a courier for 5 years. I worked 8-5ish, Mon-Fri. We had to keep track of the time that we dropped off our items at their destination. I was amazed at the number of times I made my last drop of the day at 4:44 p.m. Then, on April 5th last year, my third son was born at 4:44 a.m.! Amazing!

No, it's not. It's not amazing at all. It's the number I noticed because I liked that it was all fours. Nothing mystical or even coincidental about it. It was there because that was the number I chose to notice. I didn't end my day at 4:44 during those five years any more than I did at 4:15, 4:55, 5:05, or 4:37. I just chose to notice 4:44 because I liked it.

11:11 is only there because you are looking for it. It can happen with any number. Try looking for something else. How about 4:44? Or just 44 in general? You'll see it all over the place because that's what you're looking for.

Here's another one, look for license plates with "HB0" on them (like the TV channel). I promise you'll see tons of them, but it's not because of some strange coincidence, it's because you're looking for them.

[lundy1026]

Okay, I'll go over some reason why I admire those celeb marriages. To start Anna N. Smith & Marshell: She came from a devorced family, had many siblings, was a model for popular clothing items, was in playboy AND she was an actress. I'm not stating that those reasons are main causes for failed marriages, but when all thrown together, one should respect that individual for putting her family before her own self.

I'm not like a psychology expert< but I did take honors and AP courses on the subject and learned a bit about the statistics to some of the statements I made of Anna. Apparently people who grow up with divorced parents are more likely to have marriagable problems than people who grow up with families with sucesful marriages.

(I fully understand the kids brought up with divorced parents can have very successful marriages because I've experienced it first hand. Mine divorced when I was 7 and my sibling and I have basically had problem free relationships. My brothers happily married and has been with his wife 9years--And though I'm not yet married, I've been with my boyfriend for 4 years and don't ever see us ending.)

Then the modeling thing and playboy... I just don't see those types of girls settling down and getting serious. I don't mean to sound sterio-typical or offend anyone...I'm just speaking on behalf of my personal experience of friends who got into modeling.

I have more to say but I have to stop typing because I have an extremely loud keyboard and am in a room with others trying to sleep now so I'll add to this in the A.M.

[lundy1026]

Basically in addition to what I said last night--becuase I don't feel like ranting (as I usually do when I get into a topic, lol)--I just respect them because it's a good role model to the fans that look up to them. We (not all of us, but a large quantity of us) put celebraties on a pedistool. They start trends and many follow. The better example they set, I believe the better impression the younger generations will get.

Middle Schooler and High Schooler can be very impressionable. A lot of them try to follow trends and stuff so they don't feel like an outcase. When famous people are dropping dead left and right (yes, that is overexhadurated) because they are on drugs and what-not it makes the younger population feel like they can do it too. It's wack-o because you'd think that when there are these deaths due to the celebs making bad decsisions that people would think "hey, look what happened to this person because they OD." but NOOOO instead what's going through their mind is that this stuff is socially acceptable.

And yes I trolled a bit on that subject but it ties into what point I'm trying to make. If celebraties keep marrying and divorcing... they are showing the impressional generation that you can get married without really thinking about your future and stuff. In essence they are giving off an impression of 'hey, if you think your in love, just get married. who cares? if you end up fighting next week, just get a divorce.'

That's basically what I get out of them doing this stuff. Making a mockery out of Marriage which in the past used to be a very special thing between two individuals who promise to love and care for one another through better or worse.
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Now about the whole 11:11 ordeal.... you're right. If you're looking for a number, you're going to notice it. I tried it with the number 23 and I saw 23s everywhere too. It's just like a thing in your mind which is actually pretty cool. You can like tell yourself: NOTICE #38 or something, and **WHAM!!** you'll notice it all over the place, lol. Cool story about the 4:44. :)

[lundy1026]

Okay guys so I just was watching "wonders of the universe-season 1, episode 2". I couldn't watch every second of it because I'm babysitting a 10month old right now. Anyways, they stated that eventually (in trillions and trillions of years) all the stars will burn out and ultimately this will end the universe as we know it. Obviously this doesn't effect us but I thought something different. For some reason I thought I learned in school that the sun and the orbiting planets were created by a distant star undergoing its end of its cycle where it bursts and shoots a bunch if different particles of atoms into space. Over time they form a center of gravity and form planets and new stars. So I guess what I was taught was the universe is never ending because when one star dies it creates new stars and planets. Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

If anyone has taken courses in the topic I would really like to know what is right. Last time I learned about this stuff was middle school. My high school didn't have a "space" course and I didn't take any space courses in college.

So I guess what I'm thinking long term is this: if it is true that all the stars will burn out and end the universe as we know it, the what? Is there just black empty space? My mind explodes when I think of this stuff. I mean, what even created space? How is there a vast infinity of open vaccumed space where enormous planets float in held by gravitational forces? How did the atoms that are the building blocks of all this stuff just magically appear in the vast open vaccum of space? What made space? It can't just appear out if thin air! What is the scientic explanation of it all??

My brain is going to explode!!!!!! Someone please have answers lol. (I have got to stop watching these space shows, I'm going to end up in a straight jacket haha)

[gandalf26]

Well yes I suppose, but you have to admit that 5 years is still much longer than many other marriage fails in the celebrity world. OOH and Tobey is going to be in the new Great Gatsby!!! Can't wait!!
Back on subject--as I just got distracted--can you think of any celebs who have died with a sucessful marriage??

I think that it's important to make a distinction between "Celebs" that are famous for nothing like Kim Kardashian and people like Tobey Maguire who is a "Celeb" because he is a successful actor first.

[gandalf26]

Okay guys so I just was watching "wonders of the universe-season 1, episode 2". I couldn't watch every second of it because I'm babysitting a 10month old right now. Anyways, they stated that eventually (in trillions and trillions of years) all the stars will burn out and ultimately this will end the universe as we know it. Obviously this doesn't effect us but I thought something different. For some reason I thought I learned in school that the sun and the orbiting planets were created by a distant star undergoing its end of its cycle where it bursts and shoots a bunch if different particles of atoms into space. Over time they form a center of gravity and form planets and new stars. So I guess what I was taught was the universe is never ending because when one star dies it creates new stars and planets. Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

If anyone has taken courses in the topic I would really like to know what is right. Last time I learned about this stuff was middle school. My high school didn't have a "space" course and I didn't take any space courses in college.

So I guess what I'm thinking long term is this: if it is true that all the stars will burn out and end the universe as we know it, the what? Is there just black empty space? My mind explodes when I think of this stuff. I mean, what even created space? How is there a vast infinity of open vaccumed space where enormous planets float in held by gravitational forces? How did the atoms that are the building blocks of all this stuff just magically appear in the vast open vaccum of space? What made space? It can't just appear out if thin air! What is the scientic explanation of it all??

My brain is going to explode!!!!!! Someone please have answers lol. (I have got to stop watching these space shows, I'm going to end up in a straight jacket haha)

Thinking about the Universe ultimately leads to unaswered questions like, "What was before the Universe".

Science does not yet have all the answers, and the answers it does have so far aare basically just educated guesses without proof.

[lundy1026]

Yeah... Dang why can't I travel to the future when science might actually have answers so when I die I'll feel like my life is complete lol. It's a question everyone thinks about and whoever comes up with a complete factual answer will probably be the most well known scientist in the history of the world! Lol. Can someone please switch the off button on my mind so I stop thinking of this mind boggling questions!! Haha