MOFO Movie Tournament 2012: Ideas

[rauldc14]

This is just a thread to start thinking about possible provisions for the next tournament that we will do. I feel like this years was a lot of fun but lost some spark in the later rounds (ok, ok, maybe I'm just bitter cause a lot of my films I wanted to go far didn't :p). But any ideas are appreciated. I agree that it is more fun when we are discussing about the films, which we did more of near the beginning, but not at the tail end so much (at least not everybody did).

[honeykid]

Keep in the fun films that people actually like. :p

[nebbit]

I would like to join in next year :yup:

[Tyler1]

Keep in the fun films that people actually like. :p

I always thought movie tournaments are about quality films and not just "entertaining" movies.

Anyway, I suggest that we have a top 50 or 100 instead of eliminating to get a single "winner". Somethin like the 2010 MoFo list.

[HitchFan97]

I would love to do a new MoFo Top 100, I wasn't a member when it was written and given my list obsession I'd love to take part in it.

[honeykid]

I always thought movie tournaments are about quality films and not just "entertaining" movies.
Yes, but you're wrong. :p:D

Seriously though, well, a little more seriously, if the point is to have more discussion in the later rounds, then that's the answer. That, or change the clientele of the site.

[mark f]

If quality films aren't entertaining, I question their quality. But I disagree with honey because I find 2001 extremely entertaining. You can call me a weirdo (again), but I also find van Gogh wildly entertaining no matter how much his art moves me.

[ash_is_the_gal]

is it possible that we can make it some sort of requirement for people to say something about why they choose a film instead of just casting a vote? not necessarily some really long, drawn-out review, just something, anything, about why they chose one film or didn't chose another. it might spark more discussion that way. keep things going.

i also think it needs to be a shorter tournament. i think some people lost interest because of the amount of months it took. i for one lost interest when i went on Holiday, because i didn't have time to keep up with it when i got back. there were too many films in each bracket i hadn't yet seen and there wasn't enough time for me to see them all.

[Tyler1]

is it possible that we can make it some sort of requirement for people to say something about why they choose a film instead of just casting a vote? not necessarily some really long, drawn-out review, just something, anything, about why they chose one film or didn't chose another. it might spark more discussion that way. keep things going.


Great idea. That would keep the tournament interesting. I know i'm the artsy-fartsy type but i wont mind discussing the more popular stuff that honeykid likes. :) Ultimately I think the most important thing is that we have a wide variety of films for discussion.

[lundy1026]

Cool ideas everyone. I just joined MOFO back in Sept so I missed out on this years tourney, but I would love to be a part of 2012 tournament!! :)

[rauldc14]

call me weird but I kind of liked the length, though it could be shortened up a tad bit.

[mark f]

I don't really think the tourney burnt out at all. It's just that when you narrow down the number of movies as you approach the end, there will be a normal attrition rate. I would prefer active discussion to outright campaigning, although it's rare when one can change another's set mind, especially on the Net.

[Harry Lime]

Can't nominate films from the last tournament.

[rice1245]

What's this? Tournament? How? FUN

[Sexy Celebrity]

It could have a theme.

* nothing before 1980
* nothing before 1970
* nothing after 1970
* 21st century movies
* Hollywood movies - no foreign films
* the worst movie ever
* comedies
* dramas
* action films
* based on a book
* box office flops

Something like that. We've established, unfortunately, that 2001 is the best movie ever on Movie Forums, so why not establish something else now in a subcategory? Otherwise, we'll end up with two great movies (2001 and something else if we play it the same way again) and 2001 would then be sharing the same title -- but it wouldn't be definitive anymore like it was this time. We could always wait another year or so until we do it like that again.

[rice1245]

ooo 2001 won last time? I'm okay with that. And I agree with that sexy person up there, different category would be good

[Brodinski]

I hate to sound like a negativist, but the previous tournament was a failure. Once it got moved to the back forum of the MoFo, it died very fast. And that wasn't the only reason, people just voted on their favourite and that was mostly it. No discussion, no arguments, hardly any bickering,.. I don't think this type of thing can work in a sustained manner.

The MoFo Top 100 did, because everyone put in their Top 25 and then it was a fun countdown to # 1. Everyone had already contributed their favourite films and the suspense could be sustained, because everyone was guessing where a particular film would end up and whether their favourite flicks would be on it. It just worked like a charm and it would do so again.

And that's why 2012 will see another MoFo Top 100. But that's for another thread.

[rauldc14]

One way that it may be fun is to do like a MOFO Top 10 of each decade. Kind of allocate the points like we do with the MOFO Top 100. That could shake things up a bit

[ash_is_the_gal]

Can't nominate films from the last tournament.

yeah, this! hate to break it to you guys, but there's, like, a shetload of tournament-worthy movies that were left out last time.

[wintertriangles]

That's fine. I still say hold discussions or at least require a paragraph within the vote. Top 10 of the decade is also fun. Lists are fun.

[Tyler1]

^ I agree. Top 10 of the decade sounds like a great idea.

We really should start this thread soon (like Jan 1st) and get things going.
It's the only way we can get people DISCUSSING about movies...

[Brodinski]

An announcement post is going to be made soon enough. If all of you are as enthusiastic about lists as you claim to be, we should have lots of participation

[rauldc14]

I'm down for either way as well. So I say that a vote is in order. That's how we can start things off.

Top 10 of each decade

OR

Same style tournament as last time, with the exception being, no repeat nominees.

[wintertriangles]

Whichever one requires discussion

[HitchFan97]

Top 10 of each decade (I love lists :D)

[Tyler1]

Top 10 of each decade

Minimum of 1 paragraph of approx 100 words on why you chose each movie.

[HitchFan97]

How many decades would we be doing?

[planet news]

Minimum of 1 paragraph of approx 100 words on why you chose each movie.So much yes.

[rauldc14]

I figure the decades of 20's through 00's.

I would like to start this fairly soon, though I think it may be a bit more fun to not do the decades in a straight order either, since not as many may have seen the earlier decades

[wintertriangles]

I like going out of order as well. Just make sure to end on a decade that enough people can contribute or the ending will be bathetic.

[ash_is_the_gal]

so how many films will be in each decade?

[rauldc14]

It will be a top 10 of each decade.....

I was thinking a voting system where you nominate 10 films (and actually rank them). Then we add the points up and show a top 10 for each decade.

How about a schedule something like this:
40's
60's
80's
00's
20's
30's
50's
70's
90's

I was thinking 20's first, but I figured there may not be enough people who care or have seen enough of the decade.

[HitchFan97]

What about the 00's?

[rauldc14]

00s is listed

[Tyler1]

We should start from the 00s because I dont think many of us (myself included) are really familiar with the earlier decades.

[wintertriangles]

But if we end with the earlier decades no one will be participating by the end

[Tyler1]

Alrighty then. I better start making my 40s to 60s lists. So far i'm done with the 70s to 00s.

[rauldc14]

I ended with 90s and 70s, which a lot of us should have seen quite a bit of films from.

[HitchFan97]

00s is listed

Oh, duh :)

This is gonna be awesome! When do submitions start?

[ash_is_the_gal]

so this is kinda like the Mofo Top 100 that was done a couple years ago, in that we're simply just ranking films in a list, and whichever get the highest scores win? is this tournament not going to have two films head to head like the last?

[lundy1026]

well with the top film of each decade we can do narrowing down til we have a 1v1. just an idea. when does it start????? ill check in

[Tyler1]

No... It's a top 10 per decade. You submit your list with your explanations and then the score is calculated by say, the first film on your list gets 10 pts, second film gets 9 pts, etc. Then rauldc will add up the points and produce a TOP 10 list based on the top 10 highest scores.

There will not be a 1v1. I repeat. No two films going head to head.

[lundy1026]

ok cool :)

[rauldc14]

Theres more to be hammered out still. Should we actually post our nominations on the selected thread, or should it be a "silent" vote, whereas we don't see the nominations from anyone at all. I'm cool with it either way. Actually I figure that hopefully others votes wouldn't persuade your own votes.

[ash_is_the_gal]

are there actually going to be enough participants for this? I mean, I assume we're all going to have pretty different top 10 lists, and not everyone is going to have a lot of the same 'best of' on their list? also, i know a few were saying they'd like another tournament that goes through phases and takes time, but pretty much all each person will do for this one is list ten films and add up the points.

[ash_is_the_gal]

also, it doesn't really give anyone the opportunity to watch new films like the last one did. everyone is just gonna reiterate their favorites.

[honeykid]

100 words on each of the 90 films? If you get more than 5 people doing the whole thing I'll be stunned.

[ash_is_the_gal]

yeah, not to discourage actual movie discussion, because the thought itself excites me, but that is a lot of work to be expected out of each person unless they are childless, not a student, don't have a job, or single. :p

[HitchFan97]

I think a quick blurb should be required, but not a whole essay. Maybe just for your top pick of each decade. And I'd be more than happy to post it in a thread.

[Tyler1]

100 words on each of the 90 films? If you get more than 5 people doing the whole thing I'll be stunned.

What's the point in listing your top 10 films without explaining? Then this whole tournament will be exactly the same as the previous. 100 words is a reasonable length. Are people that lazy?

[honeykid]

Yes.

But not only that. There'll be people who'll have trouble finding 10 films they care about, let alone love, from one or more of the decades. I'd include myself with those people. One of the reasons the Millenium thread is only concerned with films from 2000-2011 is because of the amount of younger members, many of whom haven't seen a great number of films from before that time, with the exception of some classics.

I'm not taking part in this or the Millenium thread, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but it seems a waste of effort to start something like this and then have it fade away for, what I consider, obvious flaws when it could flourish if the right/better groundrules are in place.

[ash_is_the_gal]

What's the point in listing your top 10 films without explaining? Then this whole tournament will be exactly the same as the previous. 100 words is a reasonable length. Are people that lazy?

see, the great thing about the last tournament (were you here for that? i can't remember) is that because 2 films would go head-to-head, a lot of Mofos took the time to actually watch a few of the movies if it was up against something else they loved. and sometimes people would just watch every single film on the list just so they could participate in the tournament fully. this is why i don't agree that the previous tournament was actually a failure - sure, it dwindled some in the later stages and the discussion died down, but a lot of members went out of their way to see films they otherwise wouldn't have and actually discuss them. some of those discussions ended up being pretty good, too. and that's really why we're all here to begin with, right?

would this happen this time around, though? no one is going to feel obligated to watch any of the films in this tournament, because they're just going to vote for their favorites, regardless of whether or not they've even seen any of the better films from any particular decade.

There'll be people who'll have trouble finding 10 films they care about, let alone love, from one or more of the decades. I'd include myself with those people.this, too. i haven't seen nearly enough films from the 20s, 30s, 40s, or 50s to give a real 'best of' list, so i'm afraid many of the films i choose might end up being "because-i-couldn't-think-of-anything-else' choices.

when you guys first started talking about doing a Best of Each Decade Top 10, i thought we'd first have everyone nominate a bunch and then have everyone rank them. wouldn't that make it better, to have a set list to vote on? this way, if you haven't seen a lot of the films from a certain decade, you can still participate because there'd be a concrete list of nominations, so you could watch them and then decide.

sorry if this is confusing or nitpicky. i'm just trying to figure out what'd be the best way, but i'm probably making a bigger deal out of something that isn't one.

[HitchFan97]

If the MoFo Top 100 was so successful, I see no reason why a best of the decade wouldn't work either. I can do (and have done) a Top 10 for the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, but only a Top 5 for the 50s and 60s, and I won't even attempt anything prior to that. I just haven't seen enough movies.

[ash_is_the_gal]

right, so i think a lot of the members will hit up the later decades and the earlier decades will get overlooked. :(

[honeykid]

right, so i think a lot of the members will hit up the later decades and the earlier decades will get overlooked. :(
Exactly what I expect to happen. :yup:

The problem seems to be that if you have a rule that you either vote in all or none, you won't get many people involved from the start or people will drop out when they don't want to bother with the decades they don't like/know.

[rauldc14]

I'm glad the concerns are coming about. It almost makes me wonder if doing the tournament the same exact way we did the other one, with the exception being no previously nominated films, is a more viable and engaging option.

[Sexy Celebrity]

What Movie Forums needs is a beauty pageant!

[honeykid]

I'm glad the concerns are coming about. It almost makes me wonder if doing the tournament the same exact way we did the other one, with the exception being no previously nominated films, is a more viable and engaging option.
There's nothing wrong with the way that's being suggested. I just don't believe you'll get many people doing it.

If you want more people to do you, I think doing what was done before but, as you said, with different films, is probably the way to go. You could put it to a poll and see who's actually interested in doing one? Maybe run them both, side by side?

[lundy1026]

Yeah, I'm like hitchfan, I can do top ten list from 70's to now, but before 70's I havn't seen to many (I've seen a LOT of horrors from 40s-60s, but not any other genre unless it was a classic). So I wouldn't be much of a discusser of the earlier years unless it's one I have seen... But it will be fun when we get to 70's and up to have great disscussions because I will be a big discusser in those years. I'm excited for this to start so we need to come up with the definate ground rules. :)