2nd Round MOFO Movie Tournament: Brackets 7 & 8

[rauldc14]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

Voting will last until September 1st! Enjoy!

[MovieMan8877445]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven

[wintertriangles]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran (ooooooo)

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man (harry's gonna be pissed)
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[Sexy Celebrity]

16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho

[linespalsy]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[Harry Lime]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[planet news]

10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran>implying this is not a complete toss-up

[linespalsy]

I went with Rashomon because it's lasted longer (respect), the woodcutting scene is like a sustained cinematic orgasm of happiness, and I've seen it more recently than Ran.

[planet news]

I have manageable handful of films more I need to watch from Kurosawa until I've seen all of them. One of those includes The Idiot, which I was not planning to watch until I've read the novel -- which will not happen for a while, I imagine. Damn Kurosawa and your Euro-fetishism!

Also, most of the criticism I've ever read about Kurosawa was directed at Rashomon because of its status as his "western crossover" film, so I have a lot of direct criticisms. It's certainly not his "least Japanese" film though. At least it's based off of something Japanese.

[Harry Lime]

It's certainly an interesting one, like Raging Bull vs Taxi Driver a while back.

[Godoggo]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[planet news]

Yeah, but mood-wise TD and RB are kind of opposite, which made it easier to say TD because it actually makes you feel good at the end on top of being a beautiful piece of art; at least for me. R and R though...

[Harry Lime]

Yeah, but mood-wise TD and RB are kind of opposite, which made it easier to say TD because it actually makes you feel good at the end on top of being a beautiful piece of art; at least for me. R and R though...

Yeah, maybe. Still was interesting.

[TylerDurden99]

Goodfellas vs Lost In Translation
Sunshine vs American Psycho

Terminator 2 vs Unforgiven

[Juno MacGuff]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation


Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven

[Tyler1]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[Saully]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho

Bracket 8
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven

[Nausicaä]

Bracket 7

16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven

[stevo3001]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z


can't believe I have to vote against Lost in Translation and 2001 but for Sunshine

[linespalsy]

I have manageable handful of films more I need to watch from Kurosawa until I've seen all of them. One of those includes The Idiot, which I was not planning to watch until I've read the novel -- which will not happen for a while, I imagine. Damn Kurosawa and your Euro-fetishism!

Also, most of the criticism I've ever read about Kurosawa was directed at Rashomon because of its status as his "western crossover" film, so I have a lot of direct criticisms. It's certainly not his "least Japanese" film though. At least it's based off of something Japanese.

The ones by Kurosawa that I haven't seen yet are (in chronological order): The Most Beautiful, Those Who Tread on the Tiger's Tail, No Regrets For Our Youth, One Wonderful Sunday, The Quiet Duel, The Idiot, The Lower Depths, Dou desu ka-den, Rhapsody in August and Madayo. Plus there are a bunch (most, really) that I barely remember.

I'm pretty ignorant of the "not Japanese enough" criticisms other than that they existed and drove Kurosawa nuts. I always just assumed it would be based the usual superficial and self-serving nationalist/authenticity rhetoric, or is there more to it than that?

As for Ran vs. Rashomon I think they're radically different. For one thing there's the color factor, but I also think in Ran he never moved the camera while in Rashomon there are some amazing dolly shots, and there's an ever shifting camera psychology in that film (which mirrors the psychological subjectivity of the narrative). Ran feels much more like a god's or demon's eye view painting. They're both pretty great, but I'm long overdue to re-watch the later film.

[wintertriangles]

I'm pretty ignorant of the "not Japanese enough" criticisms other than that they existed and drove Kurosawa nuts. I always just assumed it would be based the usual superficial and self-serving nationalist/authenticity rhetoric, or is there more to it than that? Based on interviews with other Japanese directors he tried to commit suicide because of these criticisms, and from what I can tell the criticisms were based on obvious film critic jealousy. His films weren't "japanese enough" because of the outside influences and his anti-feudalistic attacks.

[Sinny McGuffins]

Bracket 7

16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
10. Rashomon vs. 2. RAN

Bracket 8

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven

[mark f]

There's no reason for anyone to justify their votes, and when they do, I actually feel the explanations make less sense than silence. This "tourney" did work out rather well but it's actually just a big exercise in tomfoolery. However, I'll vote at least one more time. Shut up, mark.

Bracket 7

16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho (Why are these movies still around? And one of them will continue on)
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock (No contest)
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven (coin toss)
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog (I can see now how "unfair" this all is)
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z (my fave film on the list vs. my least fave)

[planet news]

There's no reason for anyone to justify their votes, and when they do, I actually feel the explanations make less sense than silence. This "tourney" did work out rather well but it's actually just a big exercise in tomfoolery.It's only an exercise in foolishness when any discussion or thought arising from it is automatically stifled as you are so doing now.

All in all, I found the entire task of comparison to be highly stimulating. For example, I would've never noticed the deep similarities in plot between T2 and Unforgiven if it was not for their arbitrary pairing here.

Shut up, mark.Aye.

[mistique]

Bracket 7
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho

[Godoggo]

11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[honeykid]

6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven

[Brodinski]

16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran


1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[rauldc14]

voting will end tomorrow night!

[rauldc14]

well we do have a few ties so we may need some more votes

[honeykid]

If Network vs. Night and Fog is one of the ties, I've just watched Night And Fog and my vote goes to Network.

Of course, if it's not, then it's too late so disregard all that. :D

[thracian dawg]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas vs. 9. Lost in Translation
12. Sunshine vs. 4. American Psycho
6. Paths of Glory vs. 3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
10. Rashomon vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 8. The Third Man
12. Terminator 2 vs. 4. Unforgiven
11. Network vs. 3. Night and Fog
7. Stalker vs. 2. Z

[MovieMad16]

Bracket 7
16. Goodfellas Vs 9. Lost In Translation

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey Vs 8. The Third Man

[Pyro Tramp]

Goodfellas
American Psycho
Ran


2001: A Space Odyssey
Unforgiven

[rauldc14]

The ties have been broken. I'll update this tomorrow.

[rauldc14]

Tomorrow seems like 4 days ago, but here are the results:

Bracket 7
Goodfellas 11
Lost in Translation 6

Sunshine 9
American Psycho 6

Paths of Glory 6
Picnic at Hanging Rock 5

Rashomon 6
Ran 8

Bracket 8

2001: A Space Odyssey 10
The Third Man 5

Terminator 2- 5
Unforgiven 12

Network 1
Night and Fog 5

Stalker 4
Z 1

Setting up the following matchups for the 3rd round:

Bracket 7

1. Goodfellas vs. 12 Sunshine
6. Paths of Glory vs. 2. Ran

Bracket 8
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey vs. 4. Unforgiven
3. Night and Fog vs. 7. Stalker

[HitchFan97]

Cool, GoodFellas and 2001 FTW. Unforgiven is in my Netflix queue, but I don't know much about Sunshine.