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Trades werent done very often last season, and I discovered why. Example - I submit an offer for a player, and hope Im offering something theyre interested in. If not that could be 1-5 days wasted because who knows if the person even checks their account. I had two trades out for 2 days, and the offer wasnt even noticed. It dont work that way in the NFL.
Anyway this thread will maybe make it easier for deals to be made. Private messages work great, but an outright bidding war too could occur with the right player.
Im looking for a running back. Ill give up Roddy White OR Steve Smith for a top tier RB. Who needs a top tier wide reciever? I also have Brett Favre if you need a Rocky Balboa type QB.
one man's garbage is another man's gold. ;)
Piledriver
08-28-09, 10:20 AM
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier Tongo, I'm getting work done in my
computer area and didn't get to see your request until last night. I think we could come up with a trade if your still interested in that player. I'll try back later today (4-5pm-ish EST) and we can go from there.
As long as it doesn't interfere with poker tonight Petey!
Tongo - Jay said he got your AP offer, but was too busy wondering why someone would offer him Roddy White for Adrian Peterson. He's a bit new to FFB, and didn't want to make a call either way, as he doesn't want to make any mistakes this early.
Slug, check your team page! Offer for you. :)
SOme news today:
Roy Williams - INJURED
Brandon Marshall - SUSPENDED FOR CONDUCT - This guy is a problem child, it appears. I would think the Broncos will try to deal him soon.
Dante Culpepper - Moved to Starter on depth chart for the Lions.
As long as it doesn't interfere with poker tonight Petey!
Tongo - Jay said he got your AP offer, but was too busy wondering why someone would offer him Roddy White for Adrian Peterson. He's a bit new to FFB, and didn't want to make a call either way, as he doesn't want to make any mistakes this early.
Yeah Roddys actually netted a few more points than Adrian last year, but I knew it was a longshot.
Edit in - Roddy Whites still available for an equally good RB. Sedai check your mssg thingy please.
Powdered Water
08-28-09, 11:58 PM
Sent another offer your way Master Jedi.
WBadger
08-29-09, 12:09 AM
How long has Brandon Marshall been suspended?
Looks like PW and I have an accord. Tim Hightower for Tashard Choice. If Jacobs or Jones get hurt, I probably regret this, but Hightower probably has a higher floor, so I have to take the deal. This way, if Cedric Benson plays the way he usually does, but without the volume to compensate for this fact, I might have someone servicable to throw in there in his stead. And PW gets to unload a Cardinal. :D
Powdered Water
08-29-09, 12:20 AM
Damn right.
And I think this marks the first trade ever eh? Only took until the second year of our league. Not bad. Sort of makes us look a lot like the league we are trying to emulate in the first place I says.
Powdered Water
08-29-09, 12:34 AM
Heard an update on Williams, his MRI was negative. So he may be alright. Just injured, not hurt.
Mrs. Darcy
08-29-09, 10:17 AM
Tongo, I rejected your trade offer. Sorry, but Turner is my only sure thing, since Sproles doesn't always play.
Tongo, I rejected your trade offer. Sorry, but Turner is my only sure thing, since Sproles doesn't always play.
No problem Darcy.
Sedai I got a sweet offer waiting for you. Check your team page
Yeah....just no way I am trading the number one overall player in PPR... just no way...
Yeah....just no way I am trading the number one overall player in PPR... just no way...
No prob Seds
Beantown Petey check your team page. I think youll be happy :)
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Edit in - Well he wasnt happy, and no to the counteroffer.
Jay Gadsden check your team page please!
Powdered Water
08-30-09, 12:15 AM
Keep an eye on Justin Fargas Mrs. Darcy, sounds like The Raiders might cut him.
Slug I just sent you an offer. Hope you like it.
I dropped Fargas due to the poor reports coming out of the Raiders camp. I would stay well away from him!
I thought Pete was interested in the trade with you Tongo! Not sure what changed...
I dropped Fargas due to the poor reports coming out of the Raiders camp. I would stay well away from him!
I thought Pete was interested in the trade with you Tongo! Not sure what changed...
Wow if thats the case Ill reoffer. I thought he wasnt taking any chances or something from what was said earlier.
I don't think the guy has much value, to be honest. I don't think people wish to watch their QB lurch and putter around the field, gunslinging interceptions all year.
Meanwhile, my first round pick is in for an MRI on his leg today...
:(
spudracer
09-04-09, 10:42 AM
Are you just looking for another QB, or any position?
Who...me? I am set with my line-up until about week 3, I would think. I want to give these guys a chance to get fired up and start playing real games. I have two solid QBs, methinks..
spudracer
09-04-09, 10:47 AM
No no, TONGO. I'll have to look at my line-up again, but I think I'm pretty set on my QBs.
I'm largely taking the same approach as Seds here; see what I have for a week or two, most likely, unless something really solid comes along. We've all got at least one starter spot (in my case, it's more like 2 or 3) that could shake out a number of different ways.
Slug hasn't been around for awhile so I cancelled the trade offer there. In all likelihood I'll be making someone an offer soon. Lots of reasonable trade combinations floating around right now.
I don't think the guy has much value, to be honest. I don't think people wish to watch their QB lurch and putter around the field, gunslinging interceptions all year.
Favre was a great QB last year with the Jets. Fantasy wise he delivered too, My reasoning why he'll be good again is Minnesota is a deeper team, and anybody as their QB will deliver. Favre moreso. I know he plays ugly with interceptions but he's a winner, and always has been. All those things you and I said could be said about Kurt Warner too.
Powdered Water I sent an offer too you. If not interested please make counteroffer. No Im not offering Favre :)
Powdered Water
09-06-09, 04:08 PM
No can do buddy. I drafted him for a reason, I can't wait to see how he shakes out. Especially if he stays healthy.
Dangnabit!
Ok is Beantown Petey Spudracer?!
Pete and Spudracer are two different people. Spud is the Tateraters (c'mon, wasn't that obvious?) and Pete, assuming I'm not confused about his name again, is the Beantown Champs.
Pete and Spudracer are two different people. Spud is the Tateraters (c'mon, wasn't that obvious?) and Pete, assuming I'm not confused about his name again, is the Beantown Champs.
yeah Spud and Tater...whodathunkit! I wish there was a list of all the managers teams and forum names cause not all are obvious like me, PW, Slug, etc..
Ok Whoever is Mikey/Da Bears I sent an offer. I feel like a general manager about to lose his job!
yeah Spud and Tater...whodathunkit! I wish there was a list of all the managers teams and forum names
There is (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=20155). Admittedly, it's under the cryptic title "MoFo Fantasy Football '09 - Owner List, Rule Changes, & Draft Time" and you only posted in there about a dozen times. ;D
By the by, since I have the highest waiver priority there's no risk in saying that I'll be picking up Jonathan Stewart. Was pretty surprised to see you drop him, TONGO. Certainly a risk, but with way more upside than your average bench player, and given my needs at RB, I'll take all the upside I can get. He's insisting he'll play in week 1, too, and given how much Carolina runs the ball he's worth a flex start even as the Panthers' #2 back.
By the by, since I have the highest waiver priority there's no risk in saying that I'll be picking up Jonathan Stewart. Was pretty surprised to see you drop him, TONGO. Certainly a risk, but with way more upside than your average bench player, and given my needs at RB, I'll take all the upside I can get. He's insisting he'll play in week 1, too, and given how much Carolina runs the ball he's worth a flex start even as the Panthers' #2 back.
Yeah but I have a feeling Bush will do good things with the Raiders. Also Stewart has a nagging injury thats too severe to be taking a chance with imo.
Well, the comparison with any adding/dropping scenario is that guy compared to the worst player on your team. Bush may be great, but even if you're completely convinced of that (and he's got a couple of guys in Oakland he's gonna have to fight for playing time), the question then becomes "Is Jonathan Stewart better to have than Mewelde Moore, or Nate Burleson?" Or a second defense (Cleveland), in your case.
I'm far from convinced he'll even be in my starting lineup for the majority of games, but he had 10 TDs and almost 900 total yards last year even as Carolina's #2 back, and he was a rookie playing behind a guy having the career year to end all career years. I'm sure you're aware of his upside, because you took him in the fourth round (!).
Carolina's going to run a ton again this year, and those TD numbers can't be that flukey, because D. Williams ran for 18 TDs himself. It's a nagging injury, but that also means it's not a terribly serious one right now.
Anyway, just explaining my thought process. I'm glad to take him off your hands. :)
Powdered Water
09-06-09, 09:34 PM
I guess that means I have no shot to get him then eh? ;)
Nope, or else I wouldn't have brought it up. ;D The one perk of drafting last.
Powdered Water
09-06-09, 10:17 PM
That being said I was also pretty surprised TONGO dropped him. Smart play is to at least keep him until a few weeks into the season. Waiver wire steals are going to be tougher this year and it appears to me that you may have very well made the first good to potentially great claim of the year.
That being said I was also pretty surprised TONGO dropped him. Smart play is to at least keep him until a few weeks into the season. Waiver wire steals are going to be tougher this year and it appears to me that you may have very well made the first good to potentially great claim of the year.
:eek:Damn well I hope not!:eek: Stewarts projected points for Week 1 were under 4. It was like 3.56 or something. OI! I just checked it and it went up too 6.26! Is that possible to happen in one day?! Also if in week one hes as injured as many are halfway thru the year.....aw fug it. It was just a hunch ok. I got very familiar with the waiver wire last year, and alot I went off performance regardless of no name value (Roddy White), and hunches. I just didnt have a good feeling regarding Jonathan Stewart is all. If he becomes the next Adrian Peterson youve my permission to put this post in your sig.
Well, I just made a tough trade offer. Not nuts about it, but given the composition of my roster it makes sense.
Well, I just made a tough trade offer. Not nuts about it, but given the composition of my roster it makes sense.
What timing. I just got done sending an offer to Mikey thats ridiculously good for him, and Im taking a nervous gamble too. I offered him Roddy White & Lendale White for Clinton Portis and Cadillac Williams. Im so confident he'll take it Im making the offer public (plus I just told Piledriver ;)).
Piledriver
09-08-09, 08:05 PM
What timing. I just got done sending an offer to Mikey thats ridiculously good for him, and Im taking a nervous gamble too. I offered him Roddy White & Lendale White for Clinton Portis and Cadillac Williams. Im so confident he'll take it Im making the offer public (plus I just told Piledriver ;)).
Yeah, thats a good offer. Upside for both squads. ;)
He said no, and I could just cry. Ok Im done. Who's thread idea was it anyway to accelerate trading?! Damn I feel like that Billy Crystal skit when he was on SNL..."Dont you hate when you take a nail, and drive it into your tongue? It has that puncture feeling to it?! Dont you hate that?"
Well Im sure when we get some games under all our belts, and know what we got is worth the trading will get a second win. Until then....
WAR MICHAEL BUSH!!!!! GO CHESTER TAYLOR!!!!!! I'M GOING TO DISNEYWORLD!!!!
Tom Brady I may have written and said buckets of bile against you and your damnable Patriots, but come sunday nobody gonna sniff your jock more than me. In a fantasy sense I mean. No dammnit! Jocksniffer is a term they use in sports to describe people trying to get near them. A joke! I Dont want to smell.... oh what a horror.
Ha you'll see! Week 5 is gonna come and you all will be begging for Brett! Just begging! hmph
Okay, quick update in the name of fairness and transparency. :)
I offered LT Santana Moss for Willie Parker straight up, and she accepted. Yays all around, great fit for both teams. However, I failed to realize that, with the 2-day waiting period, I would not have Willie Parker tonight, yet would still lose Santana Moss before Sunday. LT was gracious enough to allow me to cancel the trade, with the understanding that we will proceed with it after both our players have played this week, regardless of what happens to them in terms of performance or injuries.
To do this, however, I had to temporarily switch the league's settings to Commissioner approval for trades. The settings are now back as they were, of course, with the League voting on whether or not to reject a given trade. I have no idea why Yahoo doesn't have a mutual cancellation option, but there you have it.
Anyway, it's all the result of the weird Thursday game schedule quirk. I just wanted to let you guys know what had happened, to keep things on the up-and-up. Many thanks to LT for graciously accepting a delay on the deal to account for the funky schedule. :)
This, of course, creates an odd situation where we both have to root for players that aren't ours yet, as well as for players we know we're going to lose immediately after. I reckon this'll be weird.
It's good to be the King. ;)
Big gamble time.
To Wolverine LTIZZY Ive just sent you a trade offer. Btw is this the same Lisa as our Destiny?
Can I just trade everyone on my team?
I kid
maybe
I hopefully just picked up on the waiver Patrick Crayton WR Dallas Cowboys, and Ben Watson TE New England. Figure I could double dip on Brady with Watson. Mewelde Moore and Ted Ginn Jr will soon be available if this is so.
Does anyone need Wide Recievers? Im chock full of them. Roddy White, Steve Smith, Torry Holt, Justin Gage, and maybe soon Patrick Crayton.
mikeython1
09-15-09, 10:31 PM
Tongo I know you have a serious crush on Cadillac so make me a legit offer. He is a stud and he proved it last week. It would be ashame to let he ride my bench all year when he could be starting for you. I really like Roddy White so lets see what can happen. For the rest of you that will soon be losing to me, if you want Cadillac make me offers.
WBadger
09-15-09, 10:32 PM
I'm interested in Patrick Crayton.
Cute av Badger! Craytons owner will be revealed on the 16th. Not exactly sure how waivers work, but Craytons on the top of my team page so I think I have him.
Mikey I do like Caddy, but Roddy White is too valuable for a one for one swap. By Yahoo standards Roddy Whites projected to earn 243.91 points for this season. Carnell Williams projected total is 154.18. We can talk Caddy with a more appropriate matchup, but I dont have that much faith in the Buccaneers (Im an hour from Tampa) nor confidence in Caddys legs yet to value him that high.
Though your 2nd place running back Clinton Portis projection is 236.07 Ill trade you Roddy White for Clinton Portis straight up. You have the RBs to take his slot as I have WRs for mine. Also Ill trade you Tennessee WR Justin Gauge projected season points 162.95 for Caddy. I sent the offers to your teampage as I dont know which site youd check first.
One problem in all this is Ive sent an offer to LTIZZY for Matt Forte offering Roddy. Though its been sitting there for a couple of days with no response.
It's not really about raw points, so much as points relative to the dropoff at each position. Roddy White may score more points than Matt Forte (though that's hardly a given), but he's doing it at a position that, in our league, scores more points in general than running backs. Since we have to play both, RBs take on a greater relative value, which is why eight of them went in the first round. Looking at the draft results, we can see plenty of receivers in the 3rd or 4th rounds who figure to score as many raw points as running backs taken in the 1st or 2nd.
Anyway, LT had the #3 overall pick and took Forte, and didn't take Roddy White with the 12th pick, either, so I doubt she'd suddenly find him valuable enough to trade for Forte straight up.
Re: waivers. On the league home page (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/movieforums), you'll find a "Waiver" column in the standings. When multiple people claim the same player, the team with the lowest number there (the "highest" waiver priority) gets him. Whenever someone is awarded a player off of waivers, their number rolls back around to the end (14), and every other owner moves up one. Any pending waiver claim you have always shows up on the My Team page.
That's most of it, though the system is described in greater detail in Yahoo's Help section (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/football/). Just search for "waivers."
mikeython1
09-16-09, 05:53 PM
Don't think I actaully thought you would give me Roddy straight up for Cadillac. I know Cadillac's value and its not Justin Gage. I was thinking more along the lines of Roddy for Cadillac and a receiver in return. Im sure if we agreed on Roddy for Cadillac straight up, the league would veto it.
Don't think I actually thought you would give me Roddy straight up for Cadillac. I know Cadillac's value and its not Justin Gage. I was thinking more along the lines of Roddy for Cadillac and a receiver in return. Im sure if we agreed on Roddy for Cadillac straight up, the league would veto it.
Sorry Mikey I dont need WRs. Ill give you Torry Holt for Caddy, and thats the best offer I can ever give you.
Attention to everyone -
http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/TomBrady%20010708.jpg
TOM BRADY. I need top tier running back"s". If interested in Brady please make an offer.
(Just watch. Ill end up using Favre, and win the whole thing.;))
Powdered Water
09-16-09, 09:11 PM
You wanted an offer T, I sent you one.
You wanted an offer T, I sent you one.
Thanks for the offer PW, Slatons interesting, but I dont have confidence in Kurt Warner. A bit tired of his overexposure at one time, but his ability went too south too fast for too long. Your offer was good & fair, but not my flavor sorry.
Powdered Water
09-16-09, 10:44 PM
So you'd trade White for Portis but you won't trade Brady for Slaton and Warner? Hmmm, methinks you're fibbing a little when you said you'd want to trade Brady.
Fair enough, I'm still pretty happy with my team, I just don't like Warner is all. I'll live with it.
So you'd trade White for Portis but you won't trade Brady for Slaton and Warner? Hmmm, methinks you're fibbing a little when you said you'd want to trade Brady.
Fair enough, I'm still pretty happy with my team, I just don't like Warner is all. I'll live with it.
LOL! Whats funny is after I thought about everything I realized it was too good a trade. So I resubmitted the same offer to you. You got a deal PW, and dont worry I came to this decision before reading your response.
Powdered Water
09-17-09, 12:04 AM
Deal.
Yowza, that's a big one. Most of the time I have a pretty quick opinion of this stuff, but I dunno about this one. Obviously, I wouldn't normally make a big thing of it if I thought one team had gotten the short stick (unless it was absurd, in which case I'd vote to veto). But in this instance I can honestly say it's a tough call. If Warner plays at, say, 75% of his performance last year, and Slaton puts up similar numbers, TONGO probably makes out like a bandit. But if both regress and Brady throws 35+ TDs, it could go the other way. Very interesting deal, and very gutsy on both your parts.
I swear I feel like pos repping everybody now that Ive finally made a deal! LOL! Oh ffs I was getting waaaaay frustrated.
PW I really hope Brady rocks for you, and I do believe he has Drew Brees potential or more. Ive never liked Brady. Hes the Ken doll come to life, and the Patriots are for major suck. You dont like Warner so yeah this makes sense. Thanks Mr Chris! ;) Chris H that is.
Powdered Water
09-17-09, 12:33 AM
I did get some running back compensation as well in Buckhalter. I'm not sure how much I'll be using him though. I just have this strong feeling that this may be a receiver year and definitely a receiver league. I'm thinking I'm going to go 3 wides and only two backs and I think I still have two young dynamic backs that may have nice years barring injury. Perhaps my utter disdain for all things Cardinal will come back to bite me but so be it. I plan to stick Nate Burleson in my lineup for a few weeks after watching him closely on Sunday and see what happens. The guy can play, he just needs to stay on the field.
Well if it makes you feel any better Drew Brees in the Bradyless 2008 season led the Yahoo league with 370.66 points. In 2007 Tom Brady led with 490.04. Sure Brady might not repeat the almost perfect season (Aaaaawww!!) but the team surrounding him is better than Brees' Saints so that helps the QBs numbers. I think we both will be happy.
Whats funny is I think Ill play Favre over Warner anyway this sunday. The Vikings play the Detroit Lions. :)
Edit in - AUGH!!! I had said Falcons! I meant Saints! Sorry I edited it and feel great shame.
If anyone interested in Trent Edwards I would be interested in pos' trade. Fans seem to like him anyway. ;)
YES! I just picked up a slightly gimped Pierre Thomas on the waiver. Thanks Gadsden!
Actually, you just made a waiver claim; the waivers won't go through for several days. You've got the second-lowest priority, too (13th), so it's a bit of a long shot unless no one else wants him.
Powdered Water
09-19-09, 01:35 AM
I want him, don't expect I'll get him however. This isn't my first rodeo.
Tongo - You have to get your head around this concept my friend:
Top PPR running backs are more valuable than pretty much ANY wide receiver in this format, due to the talent drop-off at the RB position, and the fact that every WR will net PPR points.
These trades you are offering are incredibly lop-sided. You must understand that players like Roddy White and Steve Smith just aren't as valuable as top tier RBs. ALL the evidence suppots this. The ranking system has running backs ranked in the top positions for a reason. People can run a WR like Mark Clayton instead of Steve Smith and still get good numbers out of them, while the running back position is harder to fill with consistent producers, especially in PPR formats.
This makes players like Steven Jackson WAY more valuable than Roddy White, which is why Jackson is ranked 6th overall and White is not.
Offering someone one wide receiver for TWO top tier backs borders on the ridiculous, because Smith is not worth even ONE top tier back.
You should have taken the 2 for 1 deal Beantown offered you, which was a really solid deal, and you would have obtained a fair amount of PPR depth at RB, just losing one WR. You could have EASILY filled the WR slot with another player that would have produced points for you when you needed them.
Instead of looking a Yahoo projections for points, perhaps look at the fact that you have no RBs, and you need to get those slots producing points to win. :yup:
Also - Why, oh why, would you ever trade Tom Brady?! Ack!
I mistakenly thought there was a 2 day waiting period, and I did try and back out of that trade. Remember folks when trading there isnt a cancel option! Only with a league vote can the trade be nixed!
As I post I quickly realize how new I am to Fantasy Football. Ive played in other leagues before MoFo but the total knowledge gained from my past experience pales to what Ive learned in this league. Thanks everyone for your patience, and I hope my newb knowledge isnt a bore.
Seds Im not done yet...
Ok this deserves public mention because its just too whack. Ive offered Kurt Warner (Yes Im making the Brett Favre commitment) to 4 different league owners for a great RB.
Beantown Peteys - Gore, Wolverines - Matt Forte, Da Bears - Clinton Portis, and Hired Goons - Thomas Jones.
Edit in - Thanks Yoda I finally grasp how waivers work now.
WBadger
09-19-09, 12:56 PM
Sorry TONGO but that is about the worst possible trade I can think of for my team right now.
Just to add: people voting against the trade is not the only way to cancel it. Yahoo's failure to have some kind of mutual cancellation option feels a bit silly, and since it's our league and we can do whatever we all feel is fair, I have no problem canceling a trade manually if both owners want it canceled. But barring that, yes, it would take a league protest vote.
Re: Warner trades. You have to consider two things: first, Warner was drafted after all four of those running backs, and long after the first three. If they liked Warner more, why wouldn't they have taken him instead? Unless there's some new information out now about the players involved, there's no reason anyone would accept such a trade.
The second thing to consider is that, while you can start more than one RB (and as many as three), you can only play one QB at a time, so people aren't just trading for Warner: they're trading for the difference between their current QB and Warner. The Goons would have to bench Aaron Rodgers just to use him, for example. Da Bears have Rivers, the Wolverines have Cutler, and Beantown has Matt Ryan. Some of these guys have struggled, but it's not like any of them are sitting on scrubs at that position, and nobody's bailing on them after one game.
The more players at a position you have to start, the more scarcity there is at that position, which is why position has to be taken into account on top of point totals, otherwise the first 10 picks would always be quarterbacks. But there's far more starting QBs than there are fantasy teams, so their value is reduced.
That's the challenge, really, and it's what both challenging and fun about all this. We can all add up the points, but figuring out what the dropoff is from one player to another, and what combination of starters produces the best overall result is much trickier.
RE: Points, Lines and Patterns
We are still recovering from week one, folks. No one should be passing judgement on any players, unless they got injured and are out for 8 weeks.
You are looking at one game, or a point, if you want to use math.
Next week you will have two points to look at. Two points make a line, not a pattern.
Only after three weeks will some sort of pattern begin to emerge, at which point more accurate analysis of player trends will become more viable.
I had my starting QB go down with a broken rib, so I had to scramble and make some risky moves. Barring anything like that, I think sticking with your starters is the way to go, so (real NFL) teams can get their games going, and players can get their timing together and start making the plays we know they can make.
Obviously, if you have a hole in your roster, than something needs to be done now.
I had my starting QB go down with a broken rib, so I had to scramble and make some risky moves. Barring anything like that, I think sticking with your starters is the way to go, so (real NFL) teams can get their games going, and players can get their timing together and start making the plays we know they can make.
Obviously, if you have a hole in your roster, than something needs to be done now.
Sedai I just offered you Kurt Warner and Roddy White for Maurice Jones-Drew.
Powdered Water
09-19-09, 04:09 PM
Looking at your roster T, it looks pretty decent to me. I don't know why you seem to be so quick to dump Warner, but that's your call. I'd star Warner, Slaton, White, (Lendale and Roddy) Smith and Gage in the swing spot. Your TE is a good one too. I think you have a good team.
Looking at your roster T, it looks pretty decent to me. I don't know why you seem to be so quick to dump Warner, but that's your call. I'd star Warner, Slaton, White, (Lendale and Roddy) Smith and Gage in the swing spot. Your TE is a good one too. I think you have a good team.
Thing is Yahoos projecting Torry Holt to outscore Gage. Be it Torrys a name player tried and true plus Yahoo knows Fantasy Football better than me Ill go with Holt. If I play Waner and Lendale then how can I make all those points the Detroit Lion goodness brings each week?! Brett Favre, and Chester (Robin to Adrian Petersons Batman) Taylor it is!
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Sedai I made the same package Kurt Warner/Roddy White offer to Beantown for Gore, Da Bears for DeAngelo, Slug for Westbrook, and Gadsden for Adrian Peterson. First one takes it we have a deal.
Piledriver
09-19-09, 11:21 PM
Ok, I've been playing Fantasy Football since the idea of Fantasy Football started back in 1990, so I know how its played and I have a good grasp on the ins and outs, etc... and I've been a fan of professional football since I was 6 years old so I understand the game pretty well. Now some people are new to the Fantasy game, and some people in our league are new to football in general so I want to give some advice to those of you who may be new and/or don't have a full understanding of both Fantasy Football and the NFL.
First, the Mofo League is a PPR league, which means “Points Per Reception” and that is basically when a player catches the ball. Quarterbacks throw the ball to either a wide receiver, a tight end or a running back. Every time a player makes a catch, they get a point.
Please read the rules and scoring section on our Yahoo! League page and feel free to ask any questions you may have if you don't understand any part of it, because that will help you become a better player and you'll appreciate and enjoy the game more.
As a team owner/manager, you need to manage each position to maximize the amount of points you can possibly make, taking several factors into consideration:
1.)How much of a percentage of a teams offense is that player involved in?
2.)How many other players on that team are vying for playing time at that position?
3.)Is the player the starter at the position on their team?
4.)What defense, and how tough a defense, is that player going to be facing?
5.)Is the player healthy? Playing at 100%?
6.)Weather during the game.
These are just a few things that I think about when putting a team together and have helped me over the years. Now real NFL teams pick players based on how well they think a player is going to fit into their offensive/defensive scheme or “philosophy” and this is the same strategy you should follow for your Fantasy team.
If you think a particular Quarterback is going to throw for 5000 yards and 50+ touchdowns, which would be completely awesome by the way, then maybe you want to build your team around him, getting mostly second tier players at the other positions in hopes your QB handles most of the points for your team and enough to get the win.
Maybe you go for the running back that is expected to get 2140 yards rushing, 35 rushing TDs and maybe 80 catches for 750 yards, 11 receiving TDs, which may make you an instant Super Bowl contender by the way, and then get whats available at the other spots.
The same goes for Wide Receiver and Tight End. You pick what would be best/most fun for you and go from there.
Here is some basic building advice you can use no matter what direction you go:
1.)Defenses and Kickers aren't important enough to waste more than one spot on your roster for and it isn't necessary to have an extra on your bench. Your wasting a valuable spot on your bench you could fill with a skill position you may need later.
2.)In case you missed it, read #1 again and make sure you let it sink in.
3.)Read your league scoring system and make sure you pick players that can help you take advantage of the system, getting players that have maximum potential at getting you the most points, in our leagues case, players that get receptions and Quarterbacks that throw a lot and have receivers that can catch.
4.)If a player gets injured, check to see how long they'll be out for and consider how that affects your team overall and also compare how long is left in the season. If you are thin at that position and/or the season looks too long to compensate with your reserves, check the free agent pool or maybe consider a trade.
5.)Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day and your team isn't going to perform like the 2007 Patriots offense so give it some time. Players need to develop, learn a system, get healthy, shake off the rust, etc... so you need to be patient and let the process happen. Trading and ditching players before week 3 isn't normally necessary unless they have a season ending injury or something similar, so relax and don't be in too much of a rush because you may end up getting rid of a player that could win you the championship for someone who may not last a week.
Again, feel free to ask questions. There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stoopid people...;)
Good Luck Everyone!!!!!!
There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stoopid people...;)
Good Luck Everyone!!!!!!
So it is ok to have 3 kickers? :p
Seriously though great advice, or at least it seems to be.
Thanks for the post Piledriver! Good easy read thats just what was needed.
Sedai & Slug I pulled the offers because Mikey and me might have a deal, and R Whites involved.. Warner wasnt involved so Seds maybe we can still talk.
Wow, you were more down on Roddy White than I thought. You'll need Caddy to stay healthy pretty much all year -- and continue to play as well as he did in Week 1 -- to come out on top here. Best of luck to you both. :)
Wow, you were more down on Roddy White than I thought. You'll need Caddy to stay healthy pretty much all year -- and continue to play as well as he did in Week 1 -- to come out on top here. Best of luck to you both. :)
Ryan Grant is the Packers #1 RB. Cadillac is the Bucs #1 though Derrick Wards guaranteed to get a significant taste. I can waffle Holt or Gage to cover Roddy Whites loss of #s, and I might still be willing to trade Kurt Warner to fill any gaps. I had R White last year, and Im happy with a real running roster finally.
spudracer
09-21-09, 06:24 PM
I'm willing to part with Eli Manning, iff'n you're needing a QB.
Well, PW's reasoning in the Hightower-for-Choice swap is looking pretty sound, what with Marion Barber pulling up lame in that game on Sunday. No word on how serious it is yet, but if he goes out Choice figures to get a fair number of carries in a timeshare with Felix Jones. Hightower's had two strong games, but Choice has more upside when he actually gets the ball, so this could be a big week in determining how this trade ends up looking at year end. Either way, probably a good call, Chris. :up:
You know what tomorrow is?! Its Waiver Day! YAY! Oh Ill probably end up with nobody due to being 11th out of 14 so I made 8 waivers. At least one of thems gotta hit right?
Who knows if Darcy was even looking. I blew up her pm then doubted my first trade offer, cancelled it then offered another, and then I cancelled altogether. :#? I guess I just hate to take any chances after taking so many.
Chris somehow beat me on waivers...I thought I was two spots head of him when I last checked...
Hmmmmmm
I believe Sanchez rolled you to the back of the list, and I didn't make any waiver moves between then and now, so I'd have to be higher. That said, as soon as the player is awarded the priority changes, so if you happened to check after they were awarded (which happens 4-8 after the deadline), it would've shown me as lower (as I am now).
Anyway, we'll see if Thomas gets me anything; if he and Bell consistently split carries then neither is all that valuable to me. I just want one of them to stay hurt. :laugh: Still, had to take a chance with him, just in case it shakes out in his direction as it did last year.
I had three players I wanted to snag, actually, but the other two got taken, and I had them as lower priorities. Waiver wire activity was huh-ooge this week. I actually figured, given last year's enthusiasm and the addition of two new teams, it would be like this all the time, but this is the first week it's been so totally insane.
Yoda maybe we can talk sum bizness'! Check your pm.
Powdered Water
09-23-09, 08:46 PM
Jesus TONGO, how are you ever going to know if you have a good team if you don't let them play for a week or two?
Gadsden got the guy I wanted, I'm bummed.
Yeah, you might wanna let the dust settle at some point. Nobody really knows what they have this early. Though I will say it'd probably help to ponder each other for a little bit, rather than offer something and then cancel it right away. ;) The common theme of both these things: patience, grasshoppa'.
Re: Gadsden getting the guy you wanted. I had Manningham second among my priorities, anyway. I think he'll be good but not great, personally, but definitely worth picking up. I just can't see the Giants throwing enough for him to have some totally insane breakout year, however.
Powdered Water
09-23-09, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I was looking for someone to split time with Burleson now that Hasselbeck is hurt again. Nice to have options. I swung and missed on the Bess thing. Yahoo had him as the number 2 receiver and I didn't even see him in the first half. I'll probably hang onto him for a bit and see what shakes out. At least until someone else strikes my fancy. :D
And just how is fair that you get Thomas? Freakin' cheater!
Im convinced Yoda made himself comissioner then gave himself Pierre. nah just kidding...:nope:...no seriously Chris would never do that...:yup:...no but really I trust youy Yoda!
:nope:...jk..
:laugh: If I wanted to cheat, I'd just start raiding people's rosters. Actually, that's not a bad idea. :devil:
It is pretty lucky of me; I had a very slightly above-average waiver position (I think I was 6th or 7th). But just in case TONGO's even quasi-serious (;)), you can definitely reconstruct the waiver history by looking at the transactions page. It all adds up; scout's honor! I wasn't a scout, but I hear they're honorable, so I figured I'd trade on that for my own purposes.
Anyway, in all seriousness, I've been fortunate that some pretty solid backs have fallen into my lap; I can't pretend I expected to get the kind of upside I've managed to get. But I've been extremely picky about my waiver priority (I never use it unless I think I have to) for just such a situation, and my general draft strategy was influenced by assuming there'd be a couple of good waiver opportunities over the course of the season, which is usually a pretty safe assumption.
Allrighty Flash I sent you a loaded offer that might help your team overall.
Thanx Tongs, and I know I am the dumb one here, but I had to decline, and trust me is isn't you , it's me. :)
I knew my offer was too good to pass up yet had little chance of closing. Warner/Slaton/Bush for Peyton is a great trade, but Manning is one of those players you cherish like Adrian Peterson, Drew Brees, or Brady in 07.
Well it actually is not Peyton in and of himself, just a thing.
Until I win I cant point at anyone. Steve Smith, Btrett Favre, and Torry Holt I think are the only original players from my roster on draft day. If I win now Ill look like the shrewdest cat in da land. :cool: If I lose Ill be the Detroit Lions.
I knew my offer was too good to pass up yet had little chance of closing. Warner/Slaton/Bush for Peyton is a great trade, but Manning is one of those players you cherish like Adrian Peterson, Drew Brees, or Brady in 07.
A good trade? Please tell me you are kidding... I would vote that lopsided deal down in a heartbeat. TWO PPR running backs AND a QB for a late 2nd/early 3rd round QB???
Yeah, right!
Sorry, but, if you are judging Slaton on his slow start vs two seriously solid defenses, that's a BIG mistake. Slaton is still top talent, trust me.
I'd have to agree. I would consider myself fortunate that Flash decided to stick with Manning (a sentiment I certainly understand, by the by). You'd be trading Slaton at his absolute lowest level of value, unless you think he's not going to improve at all over the course of the season. Waiting a few games -- perhaps a single game -- could skyrocket his value if he shows last year's form again. By trading him now, you get probably half to two-thirds of his "normal" value.
Of course, sometimes players have flukey years and it's best to unload them for what you can get. But you have to be pretty certain of it. If Slaton rebounds to be even above-average, now would be the worst possible time to try to deal him, unless you find someone who thinks he's a sure thing to turn it around and gives you nearly as much for him as you would have gotten before the season start.
Hey I wanted Peyton, and I feel Manning is worth as much as Brady. So I offered what I took for Brady and threw in Bush. No it wasnt a good trade for me, but I wanted Peyton. Sometimes thats enough and making sense is secondary.
I hate big trades like that, even if it does help me out, I like building a team not turning it inside out, but that is just me, nothing wrong with it if that is your thing. As you all can see I have so much room to talk bringing up the rear in the league.:p
Glad you gave me time to reconsider Slaton for Portis Chris. Slatons just doubled his season output so maybe he's on a comeback.
Whats really sad is Ive realized no matter what I do to my fargin team they suck. They suck a bunch. I WILL NEVER PICK PLAYERS ON DRAFT DAY AGAIN! Ill set the lineup I want then let the thing do the automatic priority thing.
Anybody with a spare star wide reciever lets talk ;)
To be honest, I think even the reason you withdrew the offer is similar to the reason you made it. It probably isn't a good idea to trade someone after just a couple bad games, but it doesn't make tons of sense to change your mind just because he had a half-decent game this afternoon, either. Both are instances of making big decisions based on small amounts of information.
Anyway, some of the others convinced me it was pretty reasonable, and I think they're right, but if you'd rather hang onto him after all that's certainly fine. :) The Cedric Benson Experiment lives on!
Aw screw it! I resubmitted the trade offer. Please accept Yoda and end my angst.
Darcy I know you wanted to give Delhomme a shot, but after Byron Leftwich completely fell apart I resubmitted my trade offer Warner for Wayne.
WBadger
09-27-09, 08:21 PM
Anybody interested in Thomas Jones or Eddie Royal?
Powdered Water
09-27-09, 08:24 PM
Sure. My team stinks though. I don't have anybody good to trade.
:) JOY! :)
Deal has been made between me and Yoda. Im trading him Steve Slaton for Cedric Benson.
If anybody votes against this trade I'll.....I'll....I'll give you a strong talking too. hmph
No way that's happening...
Aye, The Cedric Benson Experiment is over for me. I'll be handing all test results and DNA samples over to TONGO so he can continue this noble work.
At first I wasn't even going to accept because I thought it'd get voted down, but a few other owners and I were chatting about it in the StatTracker and they made some good points. I guess my first reaction was just based on average draft position, and wasn't putting too much stock in actual performance so far. Naturally, realizing this made me go the other way and I became extremely hesitant to give up Benson, especially given his strong day against the stalwart Steeler run defense.
Anyway, I figure I'm trading Benson's strong start and ridiculous stranglehold on the playing time in Cincy for Slaton's general talent and upside. Hopefully he'll return to something approximating 2008 form, but if not, I think I have enough options at RB now that it's worth the risk.
Ok Seds I made an offer to you. Just remember....running backs are worth more than wide recievers ;)
With all these trade offers, that shark avatar's starting to make sense to me: TONGO's afraid he'll die if he stops moving. ;)
Tater I cancelled the trade offer. Please pm me and we can hash something out. 4 players for 2 mightve been pushing it.
WBadger
09-28-09, 11:39 PM
Trade offer to PW's Odd Squad:
Devery Henderson
Thomas Jones
for
Terrell Owens
Yoda
Ryan Grant for Willie Parker
Sedai
Ryan Grant and Torry Holt for Donald Driver
Mrs. Darcy
Kurt Warner and Carolinas Steve Smith for Reggie Wayne
Spudracer
Kurt Warner, Torry Holt, Benjamin Watson, and Michael Bush for Eli Manning, and Derrick Mason
First come first serve, and Im done. :yawn: Whew!
Powdered Water
09-29-09, 12:07 AM
Done.
Me and Spudracer made a huge deal!
DaBears/Mikeython Im offering you Carolinas Steve Smith & Michael Vick for Devon Hester.
Powdered Water I sent you the same offer for Larry Fitzgerald.
Powdered Water
09-30-09, 08:33 PM
No way I'm giving up on Fitz. I passed on Brees to get him so I'm sort of going to have to live with the results for better or worse.
No problem PW.
Carolinas WR Steve Smith & or Green Bays RB Ryan Grant. I need a comparable WR & or RB. Please send an offer.
Beantown Piledriver I dont think this trade could happen if youre interested till after we play. I thought Steve Smith could play sunday and he cant.
spudracer
10-06-09, 09:29 AM
Anybody want Eli Manning (8th place in QBs)?!
That romance was short-lived. :D
I like Eli ALOT, but Brett could take that spot. Need powerful depth in a RB or WR slot still. Heath Miller will handle the tight end needs.
Plan unfolding....great takeover of league certain....Bwahahahahah!
Trying to get Dallas Clark from me, shame on you Tongs - ;)
Trying to get Dallas Clark from me, shame on you Tongs - ;)
I have no shame. :)
Good luck.... She was ALL over that waiver claim for Mendenhall, and I would think he will reside on her roster for the rest of the season...
Seems like about half the league's scouring the waiver wire like hyenas these days! 'Tis the way it should be, even though it's a bummer not getting the guys you want. :D
Anyway, real-life trading news: Braylon Edwards to the Jets! Wow. Plenty of possible fantasy ripples. Undoubtedly a step up for anyone who owns Edwards (LT's got him in our league).
Not really sure how/if this affects my dude, Jerricho Cotchery, however. On one hand, the Browns got Stuckey in the deal, so they don't have more viable receivers than before, and Cotchery figures to remain the #1 target. On the other hand, Edwards is clearly a step up in talent and figures to get more looks than Stuckey did. On the mutant third hand, having another talented receiver could put Cotchery in single coverage more often.
So, we'll have to see how it all shakes out. Interesting stuff.
I think the coverage thing is spot on. My 1st receiver gets triple covered in all his games because he is the only guy Detroit has that is worth a ****. If Bryant Johnson continues to make plays, Calvin Johnson will get a bit more freedom, methinks. The Jets, however, have a few threats worth their salt, so this figures to increase the value of a couple of their players. Cotchery has already proven himself as the number one target on the Jets, and now a ridiculous talent like Edwards joins the team, so Cotchery, Jones, Washington et al. will go up a bit in value. Of course, Sanchez is the variable in all this.
I think you're right. Heard someone (an "expert" -- scare quotes not because I doubt their expertise, but because it's such a nebulous area even for professionals) suggest that Edwards' value actually goes down as a result. Kinda skeptical of that, but I suppose you can make a case for it. Still, given how little he's done, I have to think LT and any other Braylon owners are willing to take their chances with a change of scenery.
The guy is incredibly talented. It will take time for him to become acclimated to the new system, but if he and Sanchez can get chemistry going at all, they will make plays. Maybe not Monday night, although I would still play the guy, because Miami's stodgy run defense is going to have Sanchez tossing the ball upwards of 40 times.
On the Mendenhall thing: A couple of weeks ago while we were watching Parker/Moss while contemplating a trade with you, I stated that shipping Parker might be a good deal, especially if she can get some more depth at WR, and perhaps pick up Mendenhall when Parker got hurt, because let's face it, Parker gets hurt these days.
I told her to save her waiver priority for the right player, and I am hoping Mendenhall delivers for her. He's just had one big game, so who knows what will happen.
To be honest, I thought Spud would be ALL over the Steeler RB with his priority, and told her not to expect to get him. This morning, he was on her roster!
She definitely saved it for a good pickup, and Parker does seem to get banged up easily these days. 'Course, at the time my RB situation was looking pretty dire and Moss had nowhere to play, so it's hard for me to regret it much, but it's worked out well for LT. Good for her. :)
Not sure what to expect out of the Pittsburgh running game. I think it'll be good against poor rush defenses, and mediocre against good ones. Mendenhall is more exciting than Parker, to be sure, but I think we're headed for another platoon, either this week or (more likely) next. Parker's still getting a lot of money and looked good against Cincinnati, so I think he'll continue to be in the mix, at least this year.
Noticed you picked up Crabtree; interesting. Didn't think anyone would, but you only had to drop Forsett, so in that case it's probably worth the flier.
Gotta say, I'm surprised at how difficult it is to find people I feel comfortable dropping. Early in the season I always had a couple guys I could take or leave, but now I feel like everyone on my bench is worth keeping. It's making for some tough calls with these bye weeks.
I was looking at my bench, and something was stinky. I had a couple of wash-outs and not much, aside from Moreno, with really any upside at all. I decided that to win in a deep league with several super-savvy owners in it, I would need to take some risks. Forsett was doing exactly jack squat, and I have a good RB sub in Moreno at the moment. Seems the broncos are gaining trust in his skills at this point. Also, Buckhalter got banged up last game, so I am thinking Moreno gets 20 carries or so for the next couple of weeks.
So I guess the Crabtree thing is an investment, looking forward to later weeks. I certainly don't think I will play a guy that has been playing Madden '10 instead of real football while he sits around waiting for more money. I know he has been studying the offense etc at San Fran, and he has been hanging around the practice facility, but he will need time to integrate into the system before I think about giving him a shot in a match-up.
Alas, I am hoping to have a hole card ready for the playoffs with this guy!
Hate to break in, and Im glad to see you guys BSing ball again. Shes not interested, but I offered Ms Wolverine Julius Jones AND Vernon Davis for Mendenhall. I want him bad, and barring me being a nag thats a no brainer. If she says no Ill accept it, but I had to take one last shot.
I might just offer Clark for him just to tick u off...;)
I might just offer Clark for him just to tick u off...;)
I would cry! Id cry big girly tears and whine! The case with Lisa I think shes probably not the trading type ugh. Yoda is but his machine needs nothing and he and Seds both are following the "if it aint broke dont fix it" philosophy. Winners do that when winning.
I want to be a winner too! -sobs- :rolleyes:
Heh - not trading Clark, just thought it would be funny
Yeah, I'd need to be pretty bowled over to do much. Except for little moves. I could definitely go for something that gave me a particularly good bye-week replacement at a position where I don't have one, or swaps backups-for-backups, etc. Probably won't deal any starters unless the offer is extremely intriguing, though.
I am sorry, but Julius Jones has 135 yard COMBINED over his past three games. He had one big game vs a shabby defense in the opener, but has since plodded around with lead legs, careening into his own players, defenders, and maybe the hot dog guy.
Rashard Mendenhall was THE number one draft pick last year, only to be sidelined with an injury. The guy is a tremendous talent, and is head and shoulders better than Jones, who is quite possibly the worst starter in the league.
As for Vernon Davis being far superior to Kellen Winslow, I would say they are rather evenly matched, especially at the TE position, position that has GREAT depth this year, which is arguably the least important skill position in fantasy football (skill position, not defense or kicker). Davis has an extra TD, or their points would be quite close. They are pretty close with the TD, really.
I think it became quite clear to everyone last year that if you didn't have Whitten, Gonzalez, or Gates, pretty much all the rest would perform around the same level, netting a manager about the same value throughout the season. Clark is moved into that top group this year due to the fact that Indy is running without a WR2, and Clark is getting twice the looks.
This is all rather academic though. LT grabbed Mendenhall to fill a gap that has appeared on her roster due to this week's bye, and the fact that she had NO depth at RB, really. We have been watching Mendenhall since week 2 when she shipped Willie Parker for a WR, in hopes she could save her waiver priority to snag the first round draft pick when Rashard emerged as a fantasy option. She doesn't need help at TE, and I think we all agree Mendenhall is clearly far superior to Captain lead legs Jones.
Add to this the fact that The Steelers are a MUCH better team, and the upside of Mendenhall should be clear!
:)
I am sorry, but Julius Jones has 135 yard COMBINED over his past three games. He had one big game vs a shabby defense in the opener, but has since plodded around with lead legs, careening into his own players, defenders, and maybe the hot dog guy.
Rashard Mendenhall was THE number one draft pick last year, only to be sidelined with an injury. The guy is a tremendous talent, and is head and shoulders better than Jones, who is quite possibly the worst starter in the league.
As for Vernon Davis being far superior to Kellen Winslow, I would say they are rather evenly matched, especially at the TE position, position that has GREAT depth this year, which is arguably the least important skill position in fantasy football (skill position, not defense or kicker). Davis has an extra TD, or their points would be quite close. They are pretty close with the TD, really.
I think it became quite clear to everyone last year that if you didn't have Whitten, Gonzalez, or Gates, pretty much all the rest would perform around the same level, netting a manager about the same value throughout the season. Clark is moved into that top group this year due to the fact that Indy is running without a WR2, and Clark is getting twice the looks.
This is all rather academic though. LT grabbed Mendenhall to fill a gap that has appeared on her roster due to this week's bye, and the fact that she had NO depth at RB, really. We have been watching Mendenhall since week 2 when she shipped Willie Parker for a WR, in hopes she could save her waiver priority to snag the first round draft pick when Rashard emerged as a fantasy option. She doesn't need help at TE, and I think we all agree Mendenhall is clearly far superior to Captain lead legs Jones.
Add to this the fact that The Steelers are a MUCH better team, and the upside of Mendenhall should be clear!
:)
Well that wasnt the response I was hoping for. I cant argue Mendenhall has more potential than Jones but I disagree on Vernon Davis' worth. Since were talking openly about players worth determined by the team around them the Buccanears dont have Jeff Garcia anymore, and Winslows worth pales to last year. Its a mathematical fact her roster would improve with Davis as her tight end rather than Winslow. Because of the ball clubs each are in, theyre in different leagues of worth.
How bout Cedric Benson and Vernon Davis?
I am interested in H. Ward. what ya got?
Well that wasnt the response I was hoping for. I cant argue Mendenhall has more potential than Jones but I disagree on Vernon Davis' worth. Since were talking openly about players worth determined by the team around them the Buccanears dont have Jeff Garcia anymore, and Winslows worth pales to last year. Its a mathematical fact her roster would improve with Davis as her tight end rather than Winslow. Because of the ball clubs each are in, theyre in different leagues of worth.
How bout Cedric Benson and Vernon Davis?
Ah yes, Garcia is a huge factor in this discussion, because Davis is catching passes from the amazingly talented QB... Shaun Hill? San Fran is a run-first offense, and Davis is famously inconsistent. That said, Davis has certainly stepped up this year. He is not a top TE, though, as the numbers show. Winslow and Davis are on relatively the same level, with Davis having a slight edge at this time. Neither player resides on a stellar, pass-happy offense, so neither is a make-or-break player, IMO. Would you agree?
Ah yes, Garcia is a huge factor in this discussion, because Davis is catching passes from the amazingly talented QB... Shaun Hill? San Fran is a run-first offense, and Davis is famously inconsistent. That said, Davis has certainly stepped up this year. He is not a top TE, though, as the numbers show. Winslow and Davis are on relatively the same level, with Davis having a slight edge at this time. Neither player resides on a stellar, pass-happy offense, so neither is a make-or-break player, IMO. Would you agree?
No. Tampa Bay is on a downward spiral to nowhere. Tampa Bay has one of the hardest schedules this year in the NFL. On the flipside of that coin San Francisco is a team on the rise. San Fran is run first, but without Gore they still won last week. Sorry Seds Vernon Davis is alot better than Winslow, and in 4 weeks the #s will show it. Individually theyre equal, but their teams will seperate them in points worth.
Tampa Bay's defense is the bigger reason they're so terrible, and San Francisco's defense is the reason they're so much better. As a matter of fact, San Francisco's offense has fewer yards per game than Tampa's so far. Significantly fewer passing yards, too, which is the germane thing here.
It's a tough call (not that anyone asked me), but I wouldn't put so much stock in the quality of the teams themselves. Bad teams get behind and throw the ball a lot, so a bad team's passing game can be every bit as good, fantasy-wise, as a mediocre one's. There probably does come a point where a team is so bad all-around that it kills the value of its players, but it's got to be pretty extreme to do that. Calvin Johnson had a killer year on an 0-16 team last year, for cryin' out loud. I wouldn't consider team quality to be a significant factor, most of the time (for exceptions, see Russell, JaMarcus).
Honestly don't know who I'd rather have at this point. Davis is playing better at the moment, for sure, but he has, as Sedai has said, a bit of a history, so there's always a bit of gamble in the idea that he's finally putting it all together.
I think we are splitting hairs here. These guys are comparable, period.
Meanwhile, some really positive reports coming out of the Jets camp in regards to Braylon Edwards. Due to some coaching crossover, Edwards seems to be about 80% familiar with the Jets system, and knows pretty much all the terminology they are using for calls. Dustin Keller stated that Edwards "...was really pretty smooth, to be honest with you, for a first day..." and that "...it seemed like he had been doing this for a little while. We know he’s just going to get that much better and open things up for us."
In other words, he is already fitting in, will start Monday night, and is already impressing the staff and players on the Jets. As I stated earlier, Edwards is a ridiculous talent, but, like so many other players, gets into trouble when things are going well with the coaching staff/teammates. I think this fresh start is just what this elite WR needed.
Very interesting, and very promising. I hope it works out for him...at least, on weeks when I'm not playing LT. ;)
I guess she's playing it safe and not starting him this week, though, given that Brown's got a decent matchup?
DaBears/Mikeython1 - Im offering you Carolinas WR Steve Smith and Chicago WR Johnny Knox for Deangelo Williams
Flash/7th Son - Im offering you Seahawks RB Julius Jones for Minn WR Percy Harvin
Guys if youre not interested no need to respond due to my trading tendencies but please reject the offer. Thanks ;):)
Gah, nice pickup there, LT. I was definitely hoping to snag Cassel for the week, since my attempt to snag Hasselbeck also failed. Oh well, Derek Anderson it is, then, in all likelihood.
Wolverines/LTIZZY - Ill trade you Cedric Benson and Pitt TE Heath Miller for Rashard Mendenhall.
OR
Ill trade you Cedric Benson and Chicago WR Johnny Knox for Mendenhall. Both offers are sent.
Wrong thread homie :D
Not sure what you are talking about. ;)
Tongo sorry but Im not interested in the trades.....happy with my team so far . Thanks for the offer but, I am happy with my team :)
Siiiigh! Ok then. Sorry if I bugged you Wolvie.
You did not bug me and no worries ! Good luck with the trading madness though friend :yup:
Carolina Wide Receiver Steve Smith!
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Up for trade! Who wants to take a chance on the 18th highest overall scorer in 2008?!
If you're down on him I might be interested, because I think he'll be just fine, though I'm not sure that my roster's a good fit for whatever you might have in mind.
Powdered Water
10-11-09, 01:55 PM
Sure, I'll trade you Nate Burleson for him. Or would you rather have Devery Henderson?
I'd think about dealing Cotchery, perhaps, if Smith produces today. Cotchery's so crazy reliable. He's like some kind of warm security blanket.
If PW says no I might take you up on that.
Ok Mr Water I sent a trade offer - Carolinas Steve Smith & SF TE Vernon Davis for Correll Buckhalter and Nate Burleson.
Sick fact - Im right now trading for 2 players that at one time were on my roster. Ill really take a break from trading after this.
I really wouldn't give up on Smith so quickly. I mean, look what happened with Roddy White; he just needed a few games to get going. Elite talents really need to be given the benefit of the doubt. Some will disappoint, but by selling low you essentially guarantee it, by accepting less for them than they have the potential to be worth. It's like selling a stock after it's gone down; the sell locks in the loss.
Ok so I changed my mind...
Powdered Water - Offering you Bal WR Derrick Mason & Ten WR Kenny Britt for Nate Burleson
upStomp/Gadsden Flag - Offering you Car WR Steve Smith for Mario Manningham
This one hurts...
7th Son - Offering TB RB Cadillac Williams & Sea RB Julius Jones for Jamal Lewis and Percy Harvin
Heh, I let Jamal go just when he is about to get it going, oh well needed something diff, who I have obviously already killed my season.
Steve Smith is moving over too Powdered Waters roster for replying first! We have our second trade deal!
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NYG QB ELI MANNING!!!
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9th highest point scorer overall in fantasy football. Super Bowl champion that defeated the invincible 2007 New England Patriots.
Looking for a top-tier Running Back.
Wow, both stud receivers gone now. And right before Smith goes up against Tampa Bay, too. Could be an interesting weekend.
You've been quite busy this morning. Here's a fun timeline. :D
6:03 AM: Drop Lance Moore, add Seattle defense
6:19 AM: Drop Seattle defense, add Chicago defense
6:31 AM: Drop Chicago defense, add Derrick Ward
You've now added and dropped Moore twice. ;)
Anyway, I took a chance on Bo Scaife being there after waivers had cleared (Witten's on a bye), and thankfully it paid off.
The bye weeks have definitely been tricky; I've had to drop a couple of guys I'd rather have kept, which I guess means I really loved my bench, which I suppose is a good problem to have.
LOL! As if thats the worst display of indecision on my end this season! Actually I was preparing for our week 7 matchup since Denver & Prater are on a Bye then, and didnt realize the Seahawks were on a Bye week 7 too.
I apologize to Sedai as I "ass"umed Jackson and Lynch were getting equal carries, and had to renig.
Sedai - Ill give you Eli Manning for Ronnie Brown.
Nice try on attempting to make Manning seem like an elite player, but, he would just be my back-up QB, as McNabb is clearly the better fantasy QB (Don't forget he was hurt). On what planet do you think Eli Manning is worth an Elite running back? If we drafted today would you draft frippin Eli Manning in the first round? I highly, highly doubt it.
Meanwhile you ask for Ronnie Brown in a 1 for 1 deal? Brown is just behind Peterson in stats, making him extremely valuable. He is THE most reliable back for points right now. No way am I trading him.
As for Manning - How can a team play the worst team in the NFL (Raiders), score over 40 points, yet Manning doesn't break 20 fantasy points? Meanwhile McNabb blew up for over 30 FPs this week, and he wasn't playing the Raiders. He gets The Raiders this week.
If you haven't noticed, by team is built around depth, and not single-slot dominance. Eli wouldn't be any sort of upgrade for me, so his value is zero. You keep offering me the wrong players. Steve Smith for Fred Jackson? I may have taken a bite...maybe...
I am not giving up Ronnie Brown, or now that that has been retracted at lightning speed, I am not giving up two lesser running backs for a player I have exactly no use for.
I currently have the number 2 and 3 RB is fantasy points, and they aren't going anywhere. :nope:
EDIT - Dude - I just saw your PM title for the message you just sent me. Please explain how Eli is "Better than McNabb", when Mcnabb has outscored Eli during both weeks McNabb was playing, this last week by almost double the fantasy points? Why is McNabb ranked significantly higher on pretty much every fantasy site, while Eli isn't even in the top 10? NFL.com has McNabb fifth, whille Eli is sixteenth! Another site has McNabb firmly at number ONE.
Nice try on attempting to make Manning seem like an elite player, but, he would just be my back-up QB, as McNabb is clearly the better fantasy QB (Don't forget he was hurt). On what planet do you think Eli Manning is worth an Elite running back? If we drafted today would you draft frippin Eli Manning in the first round? I highly, highly doubt it.
Meanwhile you ask for Ronnie Brown in a 1 for 1 deal? Brown is just behind Peterson in stats, making him extremely valuable. He is THE most reliable back for points right now. No way am I trading him.
As for Manning - How can a team play the worst team in the NFL (Raiders), score over 40 points, yet Manning doesn't break 20 fantasy points? Meanwhile McNabb blew up for over 30 FPs this week, and he wasn't playing the Raiders. He gets Detroit this week.
If you haven't noticed, by team is built around depth, and not single-slot dominance. Eli wouldn't be any sort of upgrade for me, so his value is zero. You keep offering me the wrong players. Steve Smith for Fred Jackson? I may have taken a bite...maybe...
I am not giving up Ronnie Brown, or now that that has been retracted at lightning speed, I am not giving up two lesser running backs for a player I have exactly no use for.
I currently have the number 2 and 3 RB is fantasy points, and they aren't going anywhere. :nope:
Eli played half a game Sedai, and Moreno will have his carries taken from him by Buckhalter when hes back. The reason you said no to Ward/Eli for Moreno/Jackson was bcause youre pissed I backed out of the Eli Jackson deal.
Donavan McNabb?! LOL! Hes got a rib that will surely break before the seasons out, and was playing Tampa Bay! You accuse me iof building Eli Manning falsely then in the same post boost the worth of McNabb.
Ill see you Sunday :() :):mad:Oh yeah its on!!!!:):mad:
It is on!
Ok - The rest of the fantasy football world is wrong, and they all have McNabb ranked incorrectly. Eli is the best player ever, and everyone should take him first in any draft from now on.
As for being pissed - I am not pissed at all. This is just fantasy football, dude. I rarely get pissed in real life, let alone fantasy. I am passionate about my game, but, not pissed! :D
Dom McNabb > Eli (the chump) Manning
The whole planet agrees.
Eli played half a game because they were up big and he has a small injury.
McNabb's rib already broke, I believe, and now he's back. There are some pain issues, to be sure, but it's not the kind of injury that becomes more likely after it's happened the first time, like a hamstring problem. Not saying he won't get hurt, but right now he looks perfectly fine, and when he's perfectly fine, he's a much better fantasy QB than Eli Manning. It's not close.
And, really, I wouldn't dump him anyway if I were you. Manning's a solid backup and with Favre as your presumed starter, you may very well need him. This is an area where you probably want to hang onto that depth.
There's a lot more going on than just "who has the most points" or "who scored the most points in the last two weeks." I won't pretend to know exactly how to balance potential with production, but I do know a balance is needed. We don't completely upend the average draft positions and ignore past production if someone starts slow. There aren't very many games in a football season, so it's very easy to draw all sorts of conclusions from tiny sample sizes that amount to nothing more than randomness.
Tongo - Keep Manning - He IS a better option than Favre, who has slowed down in the second half of the last two seasons. Manning is the better overall starter for the entire season when comparing him to Favre.
That said, I am a huge Favre fan, and I see why you want to give him a chance.
Well I watched Monday Night Football, saw Chad Henne dismantle the Jets defense, and thought it genious to rehaul my roster again using Eli as a trading draw. Yeah you called it Seds Im a mark for Favre, and the Vikings (Chris Berman pitch) could-go-all-the-way!
Powdered Water
10-15-09, 01:18 AM
Since McFadden is basically a big fat bust at this point I'm really in no position to trade away any of my backs. Rice is performing beyond my hopes and dreams at this point and my RB 2 spot is basically a committee. To trade Buckhalter and Jones would mean I would have to rely on a guy who's constantly hurt and a guy who may or may not play depending on the availability of the one guy who's always hurt and that other guy who is sometimes hurt a lot. Too risky, I need my committee for right now.
No problem PW sorry I blew up your PMs.
Hired Goons WBadger - Im offering you Bal WR Derrick Ward, and SF TE Vernon Davis for Marshawn Lynch
Can't help myself; another TONGO waiver wire timeline. All in good fun. ;)
10/14, 9:09 PM: Drop Derrick Ward, add San Diego defense
10/15 8:35 AM: Drop San Diego defense, add Derrick Ward
10/15 8:47 AM: Drop Derrick Ward, add Jabar Gaffney
This leaves only one possibility, of course: you must now drop Jabar Gaffney and add the San Diego defense, and the cycle will be complete. And if you can somehow add and drop Lance More again in the process, that'd be even better.
Can't help myself; another TONGO waiver wire timeline. All in good fun. ;)
10/14, 9:09 PM: Drop Derrick Ward, add San Diego defense
10/15 8:35 AM: Drop San Diego defense, add Derrick Ward
10/15 8:47 AM: Drop Derrick Ward, add Jabar Gaffney
This leaves only one possibility, of course: you must now drop Jabar Gaffney and add the San Diego defense, and the cycle will be complete. And if you can somehow add and drop Lance More again in the process, that'd be even better.
The shame! The shame! Sigh! Yeah Im gonna do just that.
upStomp
10-19-09, 02:29 PM
Hey Tongo. Just sent you an offer: Palmer for Manning straight up. I'm sure one of us would be crazy to make this deal, but I'm still a rookie so I can't tell who.
Davis and Mason for Jackson? Come on, that's not a fair trade dude. How about just Mason for Jackson? Give your players some credit!
Davis and Mason for Jackson? Come on, that's not a fair trade dude. How about just Mason for Jackson? Give your players some credit!
Yeah that was before Sunday, and I was offering all that for the chance to play Fred Jackson last Sunday. Yeah I forgot you were my opponent but it wouldnt have mattered much.
Im hanging onto Mason as my WR corps is as good as it gets. If nobody bites on Eli Manning or Vernon Davis then oh well. Ill just rebuild with Benson and Jamal as my running base.
Mrs. Darcy - Im offering you Eli Manning for Darren Sproles.
WBadger
10-20-09, 07:54 PM
Deal.
Davis will be good for you Badger!
-ahem-
upStomp - Ill give you Eli Manning for Jonathan Stewart.
Shut up Yoda! :p
upStomp
10-20-09, 09:00 PM
That's damn tempting, but I'm a bit thin on RB's. If you can add in a 11-12 pt RB for Palmer, it's a deal.
WBadger
10-20-09, 09:01 PM
Yeah, It'll be tough deciding between him and Olsen every week now...
That's damn tempting, but I'm a bit thin on RB's. If you can add in a 11-12 pt RB for Palmer, it's a deal.
I dont want Palmer as the only QB Ill run with now is Favre. Jay I literally have nobody else to spare, and if I went there then you'd have to dip into your talent further too.
Eli Manning for Jonathan Stewart is a good trade, and yes imo Elis better than Palmer. I know this hurts your running depth, but damn man I feel no pity for you Mr Adrian Peterson Barber LOL! The trades good and fair I say lets geterdun'! :)
upStomp
10-20-09, 09:26 PM
The problem is I stand to lose more on my team by accepting that trade straight up. Sure, I think Eli may get more pts than Palmer, but I could very well end up starting Flacco anyway. I lose some serious depth at RB and what's turned out to be a damn good option at the W/R position by trading off Stewart for a QB right now.
Like I said in the counter offer - I may feel differently tomorrow.
You're welcome on Stewart, by the way. :p Stupid bye week replacements...didn't even wanna drop him.
Good enough, but I wont wait. If the offers still there tomorrow its yours as there is no possibility whatsoever in a million years Id trade Cedric Benson (a 16 point a game RB), AND Eli Manning for Palmer and Stewart. For me thats taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back. You do know Eli and Cedric are better in each position than Stewart and Palmer?! Seriously though why would I make that trade? If you think the loss of Stewart will cripple your team certainly reject the offer.
upStomp
10-20-09, 09:39 PM
I agree, you would have been nuts to take that counter. But, like I said - it was the best I could do right now.
Thanks, Yoda! ;)
Yeah dont waste my time Jay. Knowing an offers bad when youre offering it is insulting. Ill trade Eli Manning for JaMarcus Russel before ever trading with you. :)
upStomp
10-20-09, 09:53 PM
No insult was intended. I was just trying to offer something other than an outright rejection.
I'll certainly abide by your wishes and never trade with you. :D
For the record, I didn't discuss any of these offers with Jay, publicly or privately.
upStomp
10-20-09, 10:00 PM
For the record, I didn't discuss any of these offers with Jay, publicly or privately.
I can certainly vouch for that. I think there was some confusion as to what I was "thanking" Yoda for. He had reluctantly dropped Stewart prior to me picking him up on waivers. I wasn't aware of that until he'd just posted it.
I apologize for being pissy.
If I knew either of you watched Entourage Id have a perfect line to use right now.
upStomp
10-20-09, 10:29 PM
I apologize too. I honestly didn't mean any disrespect with my counter offer. I'm still pretty new at this FFB thing, and I've never offered or accepted a trade - too skittish, I guess.
Maybe we can touch base tomorrow and see if something can be worked out. I think a bunch of us are standing pat to see what happens with the waivers anyway.
No problem Jay.
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upStomp
10-21-09, 08:07 AM
Yoda, looks like you beat me out for Maroney. I think that Stewart "favor" has been repaid :D.
Mrs. Darcy - Eli Manning for Darren Sproles straightup. I sent the offer.
I will vote that down SO fast. Eli Manning for a back-up running back?? Aside from a return for a touchdown on a kick-off here and there, Sproles has done just about zilch all year. Please stop giving top teams stud players to add to their already ridiculously deep benches. Thanks.
"Sproles, though, got just one carry with LaDainian Tomlinson getting his most significant action in two weeks. Sproles was also limited to one reception."
1 carry? Yeah, that's worth a top 12 QB... :nope:
Also, Darcy - You do realize you will have exactly ONE total running back if you ship Sproles...This trade boggles the mind. You won't even be able to field a starting line-up. Sammy Morris is all done.
I voted against the trade, like, so fast.
Sadly, I am starting to get the feeling this league has been skewed beyond repair...
spudracer
10-21-09, 01:20 PM
I voted against the trade, like, so fast.
Somehow, I never quite pictured you as a "Valley Girl." :D
Gotta concur with Mr. Seds here, that's a fairly lopsided deal. Sproles' current totals are pretty modest, and they figure to drop off even more, with LT seemingly healthy now.
Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to deal Manning, either. He's not stellar, but he's start-worthy, and I'd play him over Favre most weeks, and there's an excellent chance you'll need him quite a bit later in the year.
Really, the main thing is not to put so much stock in whatever happened in the very last game. That's the foundation for pretty much every bad decision.
I had a well written response, but think it best to just let this lie and hope nobody else votes against it. My response might accelearate an overexaggerated situation, and especially after my spaz with Jay Ill just stfu. No offense meant
guys.
Edit in - Just want to state publicly if Darcy wants to nix this trade its ok by me. Not that I want to, but dont want her to feel held to a situation if shes a change of heart due to the barren RB landscape.
By mutual request of both TONGO and WBadgers, the V. Davis/D. Ward deal has been canceled.
Yoda - Im offering you Percy Harvin for Jericho Cotchery.
I'll have to pass; Cotchery was very reliable before his injury and he figures to come back pretty soon and possibly be even better, with Braylon Edwards in the mix. Harvin has a shoulder injury, also, and looks like he might not play this week, either.
Mikeython1 - Im offering Percy Harvin & Johnny Knox for Desean Jackson
Didn't you offer that a few posts ago?
I think that I never got a response. Reminder offer I guess. Anyway theres no response so I cancelled it.
Just checking. Was confoozed.
So "put out" with Percy already? :)
So "put out" with Percy already? :)
No this is all about the B.B.D.
Attention everyone! Im looking for a top tier WR or RB.
I will trade 3 players for 1 top tier WR or RB.
Im offering Johnny Knox, Percy Harvin, and Jamal Lewis.
Willing to talk turkey. Thanks :)
Um, what?
Sorry, but I clearly stated before, and will state again - I never wanted Eli Manning...ever. Our trade was Fred Jackson for Derrik Mason. Remember the conversation about Manning and McNabb, and how I didn't need Manning? How quickly you forget...
As for the trade at hand, here is Manning's rank this week, c/o Rotoworld.
10 Eli Manning
And here is Darren Sproles...
23 Darren Sproles
Sproles had one carry for ZERO yards last week....ONE. He's a back-up!
Manning will go off for 2-3 TDs and close to 300 yards this week. Play him, you'll see.
And actually, Fred Jackson IS the punt/kickoff return guy on the Bills this week, and I still wouldn't trade him for Eli. Meanwhile, if you think returns are any sort of consistent fantasy point source, I don't know what to tell you...
Do you think I am the only one voting this thing down? Sorry, but I doubt many people in the league are going to allow a top 12 QB to be traded for a back-up running back... I don't think the system allows just one person to vote a trade down, Tongo...
TONGO, please relax. And don't start tossing around accusations about Sedai's motivation here, either, because I voted against the trade, and I don't want you playing Eli against me this weekend. Take the vote at face value: it was voted down because it's very lopsided.
There's nothing hypocritical going on, either, because you simply can't equate Jackson and Sproles. Jackson is nearly splitting touches with Lynch; Sproles is not. Your entire accusation is predicated on the idea that they're the same, but they aren't.
EDIT: Sproles has 3 total touches in his last two games (IE: the games where Tomlinson's been healthy again). Fred Jackson has had 30 (exactly 15 each game) in the last two, even with M. Lynch back. The situations are completely different.
Yes, it's a game, but it's a game with rules. And nobody likes it when trades load certain teams up with starters or depth, and that's what would have happened here. The rules state (if I'm reading them correctly; I didn't expected this to come up) that a third of the owners need to vote against a deal, so at least 5 people voted against this; that's almost half of the 12 teams who weren't involved in the deal. This isn't two or three people ganging up on you.
I don't agree with your assessment of the RB landscape; it isn't "barren," it's just that people aren't comfortable giving up significant value for Eli Manning. And even if you really need an RB, that doesn't mean you kill off your own depth to get it.
Look, I'm sorry you've had a rough start to the season. If you want to trade a ton, that's up to you. But Manning for Sproles is a bad trade; it's just as simple as that. I almost never vote against deals; this is the first time I've even really considered doing it this year, and I'm guessing the same is true for everyone else, so this isn't some kind of conspiracy. We all want to have fun, but it's not fun when a panic move unfairly helps another team out, is all. This doesn't have to be a big deal.
Edit in - This was not in response to Yodas post
Ive been compulsively trading, and am exhausted with all this. It went from fun to obsessive, and thats nobodys fault but my own.
I really like the Forum, I like y'all, and want to stay in the league and be in next years too. Next time Ill draft wiser, trade alot less, and chill.
Sedai I apologize to you for judging your personal character! I went over the line and truly apologize.
Hello everyone.
I was looking around and found this thread.
Once in awhile, I'll grab someone from the what is it?
Waivers list?
Show me how to do it, and I'll trade the Falcons for Eli Manning, or Peyton Manning.
Slug go to the Players section of the Fantasy league then hit the green plus sign. You then have the option of dropping a player from your team to make room for the new guy. As for getting Peyton Manning I wish I could help ya.
HAHA - I am thinking it is too late for that! That's how I felt last week when Mason went off! ;)
LOL! Yeah it was worth a shot. Dang I actually thought it was funny when he first offered him. This just isnt gonna be my season.
Petey was right, and the truth hurts. In my stoned stupidity I drafted Lendale White, Jonathan Stewart, but actully got Burleson and Austin Miles too! Thats besides Roddy White & Steve Smith AUGH! Damn theres no escaping the plain math! In retrospect Warner Slaton ended up being a great money deal for me, but IF I had been patient I would have nabbed Mendenhall on waivers, got Cadillac on waivers, and who knows probably Carson Palmer or Chad Henne too.
This season will end up being a Paris Island of Fantasy Football lessons learned by me. Fact is this - overtrading kills your team. No matter the math of the deal there is no predicting the ups & downs each player will have, and its just absurd to let go of anybody big before week 3.
I need to apologize again for my hotheadedness. Damn you just dont know how bad I wanted to have a good team this season. Is there a way to disable ones own trade offer button? jk
Well said...
And dude - I did all the same **** my first season, and I made plenty of errors last season, as well. I dropped Colston out on to the wire as a free agent after the week 2 game. People got ALL over me, but I just didn't understand why, as the guy had been terrible up until that point. Of course, once he got going around game 4-5, he was dominant the rest of the season.
Open announcement -
I need a RB, and am willing to trade anybody but Brett and Cedric to get one. Open to an offer, and will reply. Thanks :)
Petey was right, and the truth hurts. In my stoned stupidity I drafted Lendale White, Jonathan Stewart, but actully got Burleson and Austin Miles too! Thats besides Roddy White & Steve Smith AUGH! Damn theres no escaping the plain math! In retrospect Warner Slaton ended up being a great money deal for me, but IF I had been patient I would have nabbed Mendenhall on waivers, got Cadillac on waivers, and who knows probably Carson Palmer or Chad Henne too.
I'm gonna defend you here a bit. :) I think the White/Stewart things were just bad luck. I liked White a fair bit coming into this year, and would've been happy taking Stewart if he'd fallen another round. They were definitely legit picks, you just got unlucky, though less so with Stewart, who just needed some time to get going.
I look back on the draft and it's amazing how many players just randomly suck. I remember being bummed that I had to settle for Colston when Bowe went three spots in front of me, and look how that turned out. I totally lucked out by not getting the guy I wanted. There were lots of guys I would've been thrilled with if they'd dropped to me, but who I ended up being lucky to avoid.
I think you're right about the Warner/Slaton deal, though. I liked that at the time and even though Brady's been great lately, Warner and Slaton have been very good, too, particularly given that you had some QB depth in case Warner's age caught up with him. Though one 40-year-old QB backing up another is a bit odd. :laugh:
This season will end up being a Paris Island of Fantasy Football lessons learned by me. Fact is this - overtrading kills your team. No matter the math of the deal there is no predicting the ups & downs each player will have, and its just absurd to let go of anybody big before week 3.
I think that's a good general rule. It's lame because sometimes it makes sense to sell early, and it's hard to know who's done (S. Smith) and who's just starting slow (R. White). I'd say the majority of guys in the first three rounds are worth hanging onto at least 4-5 weeks into the season, though, with only a handful of exceptions. But that's just playing the percentages; usually it'll work, but every now and then it won't.
I need to apologize again for my hotheadedness. Damn you just dont know how bad I wanted to have a good team this season. Is there a way to disable ones own trade offer button? jk
No biggie man. Speaking for myself, I appreciate your passion. A little drama is a small price to pay for an owner who cares about their team, and I'd certainly take it over the alternative.
Powdered Water - Im coming for Correll Buckhalter like a pit bull on a bloody rope. Just accept whatever trade I offer or else Ill keep poking this voodoo doll of Tom Brady every sunday.
How bout...
Nate Burleson
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WBadger
10-27-09, 09:05 PM
Anybody interested in trading with me? I would be willing to trade Greg Olsen, and maybe one of my receivers.
I'm looking for a decent running back.
A public acknowledgement to Darcy for trading Visanthe Shiancoe for Kyle Orton. Also to WBadger for trading Kevin Walter for Jamal Lewis.
Me and Sedai hopefully will haggle out a deal as Ive got an extra Tight End now.
At 1-7 my season is done, but I do have fun trading and like to help those with holes in their lineup. Anyone needs help fell free to call Dr Tongo! :) Ill take care of all your needs! :p
I may be up for a trade after waivers clear this week. We talk soon!
mikeython1
11-04-09, 02:16 PM
I just put Bernard Berrian, Ted Ginn Jr., Ryan Moats, and the Eagles Defense on the block.
Visanthe Shiancoe has been traded to The Replicants for Michael "Hurry up and be a star" Crabtree. Thanks Seds ;)
Larry Johnson!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eosGkndaIFM/SoAf8QoGUYI/AAAAAAAAJZI/OJtZNihMQ_w/s400/youre-fired.jpg
Youre fired!
LOL! I love it! Suddenly Jamaal Charles is a starter for the Chiefs, Ive got 2 starting RBs playing and one of thems not on the Browns. Im having to search for reasons to trade! I love it! Sigh. I actually caught a break. Sorry Larry Idk alls I got to tell you is dont get on Twitter stoned.
Guys I hope everyone is having alot of fun this season. I reflect and being almost 1-8 I have had more fun than last year when I would have gone all-the -way I had a 5 or 6 game winning streak then my 2 QBs Schaub AND Orton broke their legs on the same day! The same day! Er...uh..the point is though this years been better, because of everyone, and Im glad to be a part of it.
Gonna think your offer over Yoda, the Pitt D thing is tough for me, I am not sure why. Is a good offer, but have to think on it. Will let you know soon.
No sweat. If the Pitt D thing is a major sticking point I'm open to reworking it. I put a lot of thought into how to even the scales and I'm sure we could find some other combination that felt right.
I knew I'd intrigue you with it, though. :D
Ill catch a rash o s*** from this one....
Spudracer - Ill give you Jamaal Charles and Johnny Knox for Kurt Warner. Offers been sent.
Favres hip and groin injury makers me nervous. If Favre finishes the game against Detroit Eli should be ashamed of himself with his Plantar Fascia. A groin injury?! Ayiyi forgedaboudit!
Powdered Water
11-13-09, 08:23 PM
Didn't he used to play for your team?
Yep, and yet hes not the most ridiculous example of my trading. Burleson was.
LTizzy/Wolverines - Ill give you Kurt Warner for Kevin Smith. The offers been sent.
Deadline for trading is Friday, everybody. I assume that means that trades merely have to have been accepted by then, but I couldn't get total clarifications on that browsing around the help section.
So I am definitely NOT happy about having to put yet another elite player out to pasture (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=159547&id=3155) for the season.
Not sure how much more of this my team can take...
:(
Wow Im stunned she didnt like that offer.
Anybody need a QB? I need a RB....again.
Ive offered a odd assortment of trades, but maybe this would be the best way to go about it...
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Kurt Warner!!!
I need a running back at least better than Correll Buckhalter.
^^^^^^^^^^ Some people will be kicking themselves in the playoffs for not grabbing Warner when they had the chance. Looks like Ill be keeping him unless a good fair offer comes my way.
Yoda - Ill give you Heath Miller & Bernard Scott for Jason Witten & Jason Snelling
I agree that Warner's a nice pickup. So nice you might wanna hang onto him, frankly. But to anyone who needs a QB, well, the old man's still out there putting up numbers.
Already sent my reply via PM, but I'll pass on the deal. Witten's obviously been a disappointment, but even so he's been about the same as Miller, and he's obviously got a higher ceiling than any other tight end. He's still getting tons of targets, too, so it's just a matter of getting them in the red zone more often, really.
Definitely willing to move Witten and another player for one of the other elite tight ends, but I'm not willing to sell too low on the guy, given his potential. And as bummed as I've been about some of his numbers, he's still hitting 10-11 most weeks and hasn't had a really horrendous game all season.
upStomp
11-19-09, 01:38 PM
Tongs, I just sent you an offer: Barber for Warner. His numbers haven't been stellar this season, but he's getting healthier.
Tongs, I just sent you an offer: Barber for Warner. His numbers haven't been stellar this season, but he's getting healthier.
"Hey you broke your cherry!"
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Jay you got a deal, and congrats on your first trade right before season deadline. I add that its a fair strong trade. Im happy and I know you will be too.
I like the Warner/Barber deal. I think Warner's gonna put up some very, very good numbers the rest of the year, but knowing TONGO can't bear to sit Brett, he might as well get something for him. :D
Anyway, more action before the deadline! 7th and I had been talking awhile back about some sort of TE swap, and it looks like he dug on my last-minute, last-ditch offer: Jason Witten and Miles Austin for Dallas Clark. Dallas for...well...two guys from Dallas.
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"You will rue the day you traded me, Bowyer. Despite what my new uniform says, I am still a very Angry Man."
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I'm not gonna lie; it hurts to give up Austin. He was a sweet pickup (17 minutes before his breakout game!), and he still has a crazy ceiling. Witten's still getting lots of targets, too, and I hate to sell low on such a great talent.
But, of course, Clark's having a career year, and I had to get something for my depth. I've got the uber-reliable Cotchery just sitting there, and I figure at least one RB is going to have a good enough matchup each week to make a case for the Flex spot, even in a PPR league.
Between those options, and the Cowboys upcoming schedule, I think I can probably just about replace what Austin would have given me in the Flex most weeks. So it made sense to take some of that depth and improve at TE.
Hey, no guts, no glory! Good deal 7th. :up: I hope they do well for you.
Now that trading is done for this season Ill reflect on all my trades, try and remember why I did what, and publicly because theres got to be some amusement in this somewhere...
Trade 1
Tom Brady/Correll Buckhalter for Kurt Warner/Steve Slaton (PW)
I had NO running game and dont like the Patriots. Also Brady got off to a slow start. My initial goal was to trade Brady for 2 RBs, run with Favre, but PW was the only one to make an offer. In the beginning people werent as likely to trade. Anyway I regretted the trade statistically speaking because on reflection I probably couldve gotten Slaton and Ray Rice back in Week 1. Oh that wouldve been sweet....
Trade 2
Roddy White/Lendale White for Cadillac Williams/Ryan Grant (Mikey)
Well Roddy White had a slow start too, and so did Slaton for that matter. Im a Bucs fan and having Caddy was kinda cool, but the Bucs schedule isnt.
Trade 3
Steve Slaton for Cedric Benson (Yoda)
My favorite trade! Slatons start was way slow still, and Yoda imo wasnt sold on Benson at that time. Benson was a solid RB for me all season.
Trade 4
Torry Holt/Michael Bush/Kurt Warner/Benjamin Watson for Eli Manning/Derrick Mason (Spud)
I thought back then this would be a strong trade for Tater. Sims-Walker hadnt emerged yet, Michael Bush I thought had potential I was wrong, Ben Watson is Bradys TE so youd just think thats sure money, and I never was inspired by Warner. Felt Eli was the safer of the two, and this was before the Plantar Fascia condition. Derrick Mason has been a good WR for me. Whats funny is Tater never played Warner much either preferring Big Ben
Trade 5
Ryan Grant/Todd Heap/Kelly Washington for Julius Jones (Spud)
The worst trade I ever made. Ryan Grant was another slow starter, and back then Washington, Heap, and the Ravens offense had great promise. I thought Julius Jones had promise too. Ack! This trade is an eyesore!
Trade 6
Cadillac Williams/Julius Jones for Percy Harvin/Jamal Lewis (7thson)
Caddys schedulw wouldnt let up, and was sharing the starting position with Derrick Ward week to week. Jones hasnt been worth a damn at all. Flash needed a running game, and Lewis had a great day vs Buffallo so I thought itd be a good investment. Well Harvin was a keeper.
Trade 7
Steve Smith (Car) for Nate Burleson (PW)
Smith just would not emerge, and Burleson was the #1 WR in Seattle then instead of Housh.
I think its safe to say I had the trading bug at this point. Its kinda like trading baseball cards when youre a kid :)
Trade 8
Andre Caldwell for Mercedes Lewis (Spud)
I felt Caldwell had potential and wanted to give Taters roster a boost.
Trade 9
Vernon Davis for Edgerin James (WBadger)
Davis is a hot TE this year yet nobody wanted him. So I just gave him to Badger since he needed a good TE. Badger sat Davis for Olsen that first week, and Davis had a monster day on his bench. Then the next two weeks after while playing Davis Olsen outscores him on the bench. I know how ya feel man
Trade 10
Eli Manning for Kyle Orton (WBadger)
Elis foot has affected his play imo, and Badger was returning the favor.
Trade 11
Nate Burleson for Correll Buckhalter (PW)
I really missed Buckhalter, and didnt see some huge point gain from Burleson dure to I guess from Housh. I know PW was pleased to get him back.
Trade 12
Jamal Lewis for Kevin Walter (WBadger)
Jamal at best was a 10 point back, and I told Badger he was no peach. Sadly he was an improvement to Willis McGahee, and Walter was supposed to be great with owen Daniels out. Since then Lewis has been steady low end mediocre, and Walter too. Hes on waivers if you want him.
Trade 13
Kyle Orton for Visanthe Shiancoe (Darcy)
Sedai lost Owen Daniels and I wanted to fill the gap. Why? Because I was 1-9 and I could thats why. Trading does help the sizzle in any league imo. Darcy always had QB woes anyway. Soon after trading Orton to her he has the worst game of his career then sprains his ankle.
Trade 14
Visanthe Shiancoe for Michael Crabtree
Again this was mainly to help Seds. I think I may start Crabtree this week, but may not as Quinn is the Browns QB now and Mohammed Mosaquoi or however its spelt had a great day vs Cinncinnatti when Anderson was the QB.
Trade 15
Jamaal Charles/Johnny Knox for Kurt Warner
I suddenly got paranoid Favre was gonna physically fall apart. Trading Charles away was a blunder, but oh well at least Tater needed him more. So my QB fears were unfounded because it was Cedric Benson that was pulled from the game vs Pitt with an injured hip
Trade 16
Kurt Warner for Marion Barber (Jay/upStomp/Gadsden Flag)
Jays first trade, and on the last day of trading. He actually made another trade right before season deadline too. Sheesh! Such erratic behavior...
;) Seriously though it was a good fair trade, and one I dont regret.
Of course in all this was dozens and dozens of PMs, and trades I changed my mind on sometimes minutes of making them. Thats a shame Yahoo tells you someone made an offer and when they cancel it. Kinda like how girls get weirded out by the guy who called them 14 times but the caller id gave them away. Feh! Whats shame when learning life lessons! :rolleyes:
Ive learned trading should ONLY be done sparingly, and with great thought put into it. People can take a bad trade offer personally, I have at times, but shouldnt because....well sometimes its less thought than when you traded a baseball card.
The biggest league effecting trade was Brady, and possibly Yoda & 7ths Dallas Clark trade. What Ive shown at least is overtrading usually wont upset a leagues balance (sabotage and stacking the exception), and actually promotes more communication thru the season. Bobby B and Mikey have been very quiet, Slugs always quiet, but the fervor cant be beat in our league
Just to make it official I was of the thinking Replicants wouild steal the show, but with Daniels out, and Clark on Yodas roster my pick is 11 Angry Men to win it all this year. Kinda cheap prophecy when its week 12 :D
Thanks all, and I hope theres no hard feelings.
2010 SEASON
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Im bumping the thread so nobody has to search for it after the draft. No trades were done without this ugly thread in the first season, and many trades(in one case too many) were done last year with it.
To all the newcomers I give this advice - Dont trade alot. Im doing a mock draft and the mock team is so jawdroppingly good I remember my sad old team from last year. The product of alot of trading. This mock team would decimate my 2009 team, and I traded 16 times to make that team.
The draft is key. Be somewhat aware of the landscape, Sydney Rice is out more than half the season, Ben Rothlesshamburger at least 3 games, but the point is the draft is the most important act done in the entire season.
Trading when done right is a band-aid for your team. Some wheelin and dealin is fun though, and adds alot to the league itself. This is the best fantasy football league that Ive at least ever heard of. Welcome! :)
Oh and the Patriots suck :yup:
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