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Pyro Tramp
06-19-09, 11:03 PM
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To preface this, i liked the first. I like Michael Bay films, mostly. I've liked Shia since Even Stevens. With that out the way, i think Transformers serves as interesting place in cinema, cinema itself starting out purely as a form of entertainment with the spectacle of this new technology then digressing into more of a narrative based art form. Everyone's counter to criticism on Transformers is that it's about big transforming robots and is only meant to be entertaining. But you don't have to be making art to make a good film. Which this film isn't.
The plot picks up after the first one with Sam going to college, Bumblebee living in his garage and the autobots and the army cleaning up decepticons around the world. Fair enough. The setup for the sequel's plot is probably the laziest excuse i've seen, with a shard from the cube in the first 'falling out his old jumper'. Queue recycle-tron. What follows is a belated 'revenge' from the decepticons trying to get what Sam saw on this shard- directions to some weapon to destroy the sun and the shard itself turns out can bring back Megatron. Oh and lots of other Transformers are on Earth as well and one who's not called The Fallen who's on some planet growing more robots in little pods. I can't even be bothered to go into the inconsistencies, lack of logic or stupidity in the plot like how there's another shard anyway and bringing back old age transformers instead of the ones they need, the hardest transformers sacrificing themselves to stop anyone getting a key with their bodies as walls which Sam just breezes past. But i imagine most will just say: "who cares, it's about robots fighting!". Well, i care and most people with any concept of film or a brain should as well. How does having two robots start to take down a bigger robot turn around into them disappearing and the robot being fine dictate a coherent flow of logic? Not to mention The Fallen is never really intimidating or interesting.
So robots fighting, does it compensate? Up to the fight in the forest, i'd have said yes. Plot aside, it all flows well and is pretty solid enjoyment, i even remember thinking maybe my apprehension was mistaken because this was quite good. Well, after that it goes down hill in a big way. Something happens that most will see outcome coming long off and they try and build on the non-existent plot with some boring and unfunny plodding around and painful exposition. They throw in too many transformers that are meaningless and switch between annoying and stupid, all there too bloat the film up; unlike the first one that actually attempted to make us differentiate them as characters. The army are just cannon fodder, quite why they try and join in the fights is beyond me. There's attempt to replicate another Turturro character and most the humour falls flat. The effects are decent enough but do little to distract from the glaring problems of pacing, plotting and characterisation. Aspects most would want to be handled well in a film. The finale seems like a rehash of the desert scene in the first. Overall it fails at most it tries to do, except show robots beating each other up. Oh and having every teenage boy in the audience simultaneously ejaculate when seeing Megan Fox bent over a bike. That's not a bad thing by the way and was quite funny hearing cheers from the male audience. My friend fell asleep for an hour and missed nothing. Shame we can't have a Dark Knight every year.
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Pyro Tramp
06-22-09, 09:16 AM
No-one else seen it yet?
The Prestige
06-22-09, 09:34 AM
Not seen it yet, dude. To be honest, i'm a bit put off by your review because I, like yourself, found the first Transformers film to be a very entertaining romp, so to read that it's boderline **** (and not in a fun way) just makes me not wanna go. Plus i'm on a tight budget and i'm doing my best to pick the films I know i'm going to enjoy rather than feel like i've wasted several quid. Was gonna go and watch it on IMAX as well. I might still go but will probably just watch it at the cinema.
Pyro Tramp
06-22-09, 09:37 AM
My mate gave it an extra star based on imax screening and one more for Megan Fox. Well earned 3. But if you're gonna enjoy robots fighting, you're going to enjoy it, if you can ignore the fundamentals of competent film making
The Prestige
06-22-09, 09:45 AM
My mate gave it an extra star based on imax screening and one more for Megan Fox. Well earned 3. But if you're gonna enjoy robots fighting, you're going to enjoy it, if you can ignore the fundamentals of competent film making
I enjoy robots fighting as much as the next honey, but yeah, I still need the film to at least have adequate plot development. Megan Fox isn't bad, either. A bit on the skinny side but a striking girl nonetheless, so seeing her on the IMAX screen can't be too shabby. Since your mate gave the IMAX version an extra star i'm going to bite the bullet and book it for next week. But if I can't stand it you owe me £13.
spudracer
06-22-09, 09:56 AM
I'm planning on going to see it in IMAX this week. Let me just say this though, Megan Fox cannot turn s*** into shinola. :nope:
stasic001
06-22-09, 12:49 PM
Can't wait to see it! Transformers the cartoons were my favorite when was a child:)
TheUsualSuspect
06-22-09, 05:11 PM
I have not seen it yet because it has not been released where I am yet.
Pyro Tramp
06-22-09, 05:20 PM
What, America?
spudracer
06-22-09, 06:14 PM
It gets released, in the states, at 12:01 am on Wednesday.
Pyro Tramp
06-22-09, 06:39 PM
No ****ing way! UK got, arguably, the summers biggest film first!
Yes they do and I am not there sh1t I have to wait till Wednesday
So apparently i wasnt the only one who thought the movie would be bad...I am not intending to see in but only when it comes out on DVD, with very low hopes...
FILMFREAK087
06-23-09, 01:43 AM
I guess Megan Fox crushed a young fan at the premiere. I am not too surprised, I get a vibe from her that she is a little stuck-up.
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/us-magazine-megan-fox-flower.html
The Prestige
06-23-09, 07:04 AM
So apparently i wasnt the only one who thought the movie would be bad...I am not intending to see in but only when it comes out on DVD, with very low hopes...
Did you not like the first one then?
Pyro Tramp
06-23-09, 07:07 AM
Not that i'm advocating seeing it but if you do it should be at the cinema otherwise the only thing it has going for it gets bit diluted
Iroquois
06-23-09, 10:50 AM
What, America?
The location says he's in Canada...
Brother Blue
06-23-09, 11:54 AM
I saw it on firday and I'm a little proud I didnt pay to see it. That doesnt mean I did anything illegal, I just happened to mention to the people who wanted to go and see it that "I wouldnt pay to see that crap". And as such a nice people they offered to pay for me. Thanks to them ... I guess.
Now the film. Maybe the loudest movie of the year, but with all that noise and explosions (it's a Micheal Bay movie what do you expect) I found myself losing interest in it and thinking of other things such as what fast food place should we go to after the movie? Why is cinema food so expensive? And, I dont like these shoes I'm wearing, which all seemed to be more interesting to think about and watch this movie. The plot was waffer thin as usual, Shia Lebouf was as annoying as always and I'm starting to get the impression that Megan Fox is only good for being shot in slow motion whilst running (that got my attention ;)) or bending over cars or in this case motorcycles. Which I will gladly admit I did enjoy watching but thats 3 minutes out of a 2 hour movie.
I really dont like Bay as a director, I know thats a very cliched thing to say but you cant help agreeing with something thats true. He's a magnificent special effects person, but can he direct drama? Not in the slightest! The performances were wooden, which may be more to do with the cast and the awful script than his a a director, but you can just tell with his use of shots during those scenes that he really has no idea what to do when guns and explosions arent going off.
The other members of the audience - mostly young teenagers - seemed to really like the movie, some of them even gave it a short round of applause at the end, which I found strange because I cant remember ever seeing that before outside of a film festival. I obviously didnt see what they saw in it and frankly I dont think I want to. I think I remember calling the first Transformers movie trash on another thread on this forum and I stand by it. And using that same substance to rate Transformers 2, it is a big stinking pile of trash :D
I also saw The Hangover that same night. Which was excellent, but thats for another thread.
MovieMan8877445
06-23-09, 12:44 PM
I see people clap after a movie is over all the time.
Brother Blue
06-23-09, 12:50 PM
I see people clap after a movie is over all the time.
First time I'd seen it in a "normal" cinema, I've seen it done at festivals because usually someone from the movie is in attendance. It just seemed strange to me, it's probably more widespread than I had first thought.....
Yeah, same here, I see it fairly often. Though I saw it a lot more a few years ago, for whatever reason.
There might be a difference in definition here; I've been to very few movies where there was a lot of sustained applause, but scattered applause is a lot more common.
Pyro Tramp
06-23-09, 06:47 PM
Someone tried a round of applause but quickly stopped when everyone started groaning about how bad it was
Did you not like the first one then?
the first one was ok
TheUsualSuspect
06-24-09, 07:31 PM
This film is getting TRASHED! Worse then Wolverine.
Makes me think it might not make as much moolah.
I still haven't even seen the first one, but I was too old to get into the whole Transformers thing. I'll certainly watch the first one when it shows on MY cable channels, and I'll probably watch this one in a couple of years too. :)
Used Future
06-24-09, 09:43 PM
I've not seen the first one either, I was a bit too old for Transformers when they came out.
r3port3r66
06-24-09, 11:42 PM
A complete mess! Insulting.
It's movies like this where I just wait for the product placements.
It IS a Michael Bay film, after all... What did you folks expect?
r3port3r66
06-24-09, 11:53 PM
A little more, a lot less.
Powdered Water
06-25-09, 01:30 AM
I thought it was thoroughly enjoyable. We seem to have some serious action movie snobs around this site.
I guess I can't talk too much, until just recently I was a pretty hard core comedy snob.
Whatever.
It was every bit as much fun as the first and the robot action was just terrific!
What movie did most of you people go see?
spudracer
06-25-09, 08:00 AM
I posted my review on it, but think it could have been a lot better. People were clapping at the theatre I went to, too. I just smirk and keep walking, why clap? Nobody is going to come out and take a bow.
I gave it a rating of 2.5. I gave it that and I wanted to really like it.
I took the wife and kid to see this last night and we all were disappointed.My kid actually feel asleep with about 1/2 hr to go. They just went way to holywood with this one and the slapstick comedy they added was to much.
The first movie was way better than this. I felt as if they could have done a whole lot better with it.
Of course it dont really matter what we think now because this movie will make millions....
They said it took in over 16 million for the midnight showing alone.
Pyro Tramp
06-25-09, 03:03 PM
I thought it was thoroughly enjoyable. We seem to have some serious action movie snobs around this site.
I guess I can't talk too much, until just recently I was a pretty hard core comedy snob.
Whatever.
It was every bit as much fun as the first and the robot action was just terrific!
What movie did most of you people go see?
Yeah the robot action was for the most part good. Though the final fight was pretty overblown, not necessarily a bad thing having a surprise rail gun win a fight though or excessive bay-splosions but it still seemed too similar to the last films setting. There were too many uses of deus ex machina to either make more bay-splosions and uses for CGi or to just continue the plot. The final fight was lacking in a lot of spatial and narrative cohesion, not to mention logic. There were too many cringe-worthy moments- robot heaven? There was a massive chunk of film devoted to plot exposition on a non-existing plot. There was no engagement with any characters, The Fallen wasn't developed into making a threatening villian. The plot 'twists' were about as predictable as gravity
spudracer
06-25-09, 03:17 PM
The Fallen wasn't developed into making a threatening villian. The plot 'twists' were about as predictable as gravity
Tell me about it. The movie's title was Revenge of the Fallen, yet his total screen time is maybe 5-10 minutes (spread out over the span of the film). They could've called it the Return of Megatron and it would've made more sense.
Pyro Tramp
06-25-09, 03:25 PM
And for most of that he was either on that random planet (where mention of that in the first) and the rest on top of the pyramid then with a 30second ass whooping
spudracer
06-25-09, 03:31 PM
Yes, very disappointed in how that part of the story played out. I think my favorite part was the discovery of Jetfire. They did that part right, in my book.
Pyro Tramp
06-25-09, 03:36 PM
He was ****ing **** though
spudracer
06-25-09, 03:43 PM
That he was, but everything leading up to that. I'm trying to find reasons to like the movie, but there aren't as many in this one as there was in the first.
Pyro Tramp
06-25-09, 03:46 PM
Agreed, up to the forest fight i'd have been content with it and said it was good... enough, at least.
Spoilers, i'm not going to use a tag because i refuse to imply that there's a story to be spoiled but anyway. If they kept it up to the forest fight, got rid of the terminatrix, got Sam to use the shard on Prime and then cut straight to Egypt and cut out the Fallen completely, would have worked.
spudracer
06-25-09, 04:03 PM
Agreed, up to the forest fight i'd have been content with it and said it was good... enough, at least.
About the same here. I especially liked the entrance for Optimus in the Shanghai scene. Little things like that make it interesting, because we haven't seen it that way before. I was expecting Bay to increase on the mystery, sure they've covered up the incidents from the first film, but it's almost as if those are just words.
Sci-Fi-Guy
06-25-09, 06:57 PM
Bad reviews be damned.
I can't wait to see this movie later this week and I really don't see any possible way I won't like it.
I'm expecting a popcorn flick and from everything I've seen and heard so far, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a popcorn flick.
Course 2 hours of :love: Megan Fox :love: straddling a motorcycle could probably keep me entertained with a grin on my face and drool on my chin so I consider the alien robots a bonus.:randy:
spudracer
06-26-09, 12:17 AM
Course 2 hours of :love: Megan Fox :love: straddling a motorcycle could probably keep me entertained with a grin on my face and drool on my chin so I consider the alien robots a bonus.
Hate to break it to you, but she doesn't straddle a motorcycle for the entire movie.
Powdered Water
06-26-09, 12:23 AM
Yeah, but a guy can dream can't he?
spudracer
06-26-09, 12:27 AM
Oh he can dream, I just don't want him to start crying in the theatre. :laugh:
Powdered Water
06-26-09, 12:29 AM
Oh stop it, the movie isn't that bad.
spudracer
06-26-09, 12:38 AM
I guess my big thing is people who will mention Megan Fox to death before they talk about the movie. I know the movie isn't that bad.
Roger Ebert (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997), on Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen:
If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination.
Outbreak
06-26-09, 01:55 PM
In less than 5 hours, I will be seeing this movie in Imax! It may not be doing the best, but I am very excited for it nonetheless. Bay may not be the best director, but he knows how to blow things up, and in Imax, that's what counts :p . I'll let everyone know what I personally think about it after I watch it...
haha not that anyone cares ;)
A bombastic movie deserves a bombastic review?
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Sci-Fi-Guy
06-27-09, 01:58 PM
Hate to break it to you, but she doesn't straddle a motorcycle for the entire movie.
Yeah I know.
I was just saying I COULD enjoy a movie of her only straddling a motorcycle for 2 hours. That's all she'd have to do.
My imagination would handle the rest with the mini-movie it would be creating with me playing the part of the bike.:kiss:
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 01:51 PM
It was m'kay for me. My teenage son LOVED it. My teenage daugther thought it was "pretty good." They actually wanted to see it in I max but I can't do that, it makes me nauseous and they wanted me with them, awww!
Anyway, I thought it held up to the first film pretty well. If you like lots of noise and robots and explosions, it should work for ya.
If you want anything approaching realism it might not. I mean how many times can humans fall from great heights, have debris flying all around them, and not be significantly injured? Sorry, human bodies are far more fragile than that.
And really, could robots do well, under water? How about wouldn't they burn up as they enter earth's atmosphere? Why would a robot who's eye was burned with a torch say "ouch?" Can they feel that really? Because they are aliens are we supposed to believe they have human sensation or something like it?
Now if you want to look at hot chicks, this movie should work for you! Megan Fox is very hot in spite of false eyelashes that at times were placed too high up. (Why someone didn't catch that I don't know.) In spite of having her lips worked on, she is still very, very hot. The only question for me is why would a girl like that being with a kid who looks like the lead male? Maybe she just is an adrenaline junky that enjoys running from giant murderous robots and nearly dying as often as can be arranged?
College life scenes were full of hotties too! However, on any real college campus I've seen, most of the people, girls or boys, are dressed as if they rolled out of bed with their clothes already on that day. We are talking baggy shorts, wrinkled tops and flip flops, so this is a great fantasy about college! I wish!
Let's see, what messages were pushed during the film? The military is great. Ford products are great. Those were two messages I felt were being sent. It reminded me of the old new reels propaganda in a way.
BTW, before the movie there was a Ford commercial talking about how they are better than car companies who are nor receiving bail outs and how we need to hurry and get a Ford today. Ford, I was always told was short of Fix or Repair Daily. My thought was yes, hurry before it goes out of business.
Also David Cook, who I've never liked is now part of the before show. He comes on REALLY LOUD suddenly and tells us to turn off our cells phones, because, "The person beside you might get upset." I don't know whose idea that spot was but it's not effective. If I had ever liked Mr. Cook from American Idol, I'd dislike him once I was blasted by these stupid spots but I digress, back to the movie.
I didn't like the idea that Obama would appoint an officious jerk to derail any intelligent counter measures to the decepticons. I thought the dig at him trying for a diplomatic solution was a low blow personally.
I liked the decepticon with the long lashing tail! For a minute there I was back to the old TV show thinking of the Saber Toothed Tiger but no, that wasn't the case.
I liked that the officious jerk from the first movie was now on the right team, in this movie. That was a surprise.
The parts about the humans were the most interesting to me. The mother in the movie had a plum part. She played it well and was hilarious.
The father was great too. Both were complex in their portrayals despite not having much screen time.
Once the big robot, transforming, fights, car chases and explosions happened, I had trouble caring and staying awake. That's just me though.
I'm not sure how one could categorize that as a "low blow" given how incredibly indirect it was (it was almost always "the President" and not "President Obama"). Or given what a certain former President was subjected to over the last eight years or so, most of it far more frequent and direct. Or how easy Obama's gotten off in the late-night joke department (the disparity there is massive). Either way, this is how it works: you win, you have to be the butt of a few jokes, and you have to be the all-purpose stand-in for this sort of thing. It was entirely reasonable, very indirect, and one would have to be pretty protective of this particular politician to be perturbed.
Anyway, I hope to have a review of in the next day or so (didn't get around to seeing it until yesterday). For now I'll just say that I somewhat agree with people who found Skids and Mudflaps to be stereotypical and offensive, and that a lot of stuff sure did 'splode. More later.
Saw this on IMAX yesterday and my head exploded from awesomeness. :scream:
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 03:17 PM
It's was most often "The President" but in one line it was said that "President Obama is being flown to an undisclosed . . ."
I'm not sure how one could categorize that as a "low blow" given how incredibly indirect it was (it was almost always "the President" and not "President Obama"). Or given what a certain former President was subjected to over the last eight years or so, most of it far more frequent and direct. Or how easy Obama's gotten off in the late-night joke department (the disparity there is massive). Either way, this is how it works: you win, you have to be the butt of a few jokes, and you have to be the all-purpose stand-in for this sort of thing. It was entirely reasonable, very indirect, and one would have to be pretty protective of this particular politician to be perturbed.
Anyway, I hope to have a review of in the next day or so (didn't get around to seeing it until yesterday). For now I'll just say that I somewhat agree with people who found Skids and Mudflaps to be stereotypical and offensive, and that a lot of stuff sure did 'splode. More later.
Right; he was never mentioned in conjunction with the negative things. If anything, that says to me that they went somewhat out of their way to avoid it.
EDIT: but really, what's supposed to be the big insult? That he might hire someone who's bad at their job? Of course he will. He has hired people he shouldn't have, and he'll hire more. Even good Presidents do. His own Vice President's already a train wreck, so this isn't exactly a leap.
So, yeah, as I said, if someone's politically smitten with the man, it's probably going to look like some kind of slight. To the people enduring the opposite (blatantly) for years on end, it seems a lot more like a pulled punch.
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 04:59 PM
We will never agree on these kind of things. The slight was not just that he would hire a total jerk to make it harder for many to do a decent and needed job, but also that he would use "diplomacy" in an area that clearly won't work in.
The more I think about it, the more conservative, republican and war bird-ish this movie looks. I mean think about it . . .
Put down dem president Check
Promote guns Check
Promote war Check
Promote buying American cars Check
Put down the idea of diplomacy Check
Show sex as dangerous Check
LOL
By that definition, any fun action movie is "conservative" and "war bird-ish," because they all involve conflict and violence. You might as well say the nature of conflict is "conservative." Nor is the idea of buying American cars particularly conservative; if anything, Republicans are the more free-trade oriented of the two parties these days. Nor did the film show sex as dangerous; at least, not in a serious sense. That's also quite an odd claim to make after referencing how overly attractive most of the women were in an earlier post, too.
As for the rest: the film finished shooting two days before the 2008 election even took place, was obviously written long before that, and the basics of the story were obviously laid out even before that, so unless the screenwriters have come into possession of a flux capacitor, it doesn't seem plausible to suggest that they were taking a swipe at him.
And besides, the idea of a bureaucrat denying the reality of a public danger on their watch has been used a bazillion times in these sorts of movies. It's an action movie cliche.
Even if we ignored all of this (though why would we?), it's not an unreasonable swipe to take. It's largely indirect, almost certaintly incidental, and it's a safe bet you had no problem with this sort of thing throughout most of the decade. So while you may not like it, because you happen to luh-uh-ve the current President, there's really no way it constitutes a "low blow." Though the reaction here would seem to imply a double-standard.
Having not seen the film, I'm guessing the script was written long before Obama won the Presidency and they just added his name in afterwards to try to keep the film topical. Besides that, executive producer Steven Spielberg is definitely Pro-Obama. I just don't see how any serious person can look at something like a Transformers movie as making any serious political statements. I wouldn't look at this type of movie for anything serious, but I'd imagine it would promote big, loud, mindless, escapist entertainment.
P.S. - I've worked for the Federal government (during the Reagan administration), and I can state that bureaucrats are rampant and many are utterly incompetent.
Powdered Water
06-28-09, 05:31 PM
Don't we have a thread already for this Obama BS? Seriously you two, get a thread.
Hey, I didn't drag it into this one, but I felt obliged to respond. I'm keeping it almost entirely to its relation to the film, too.
Besides, none of the Obama supporters'll reply in that other thread. ;)
Powdered Water
06-28-09, 05:52 PM
I suppose I'd reply if I cared. I think you guys spend way too much time bickering about this whole thing. But what do I know? I guess its important... sure seems like it mostly just gets folks sideways.
Carry on!
Sure did like the movie by the way. I would've trimmed about 15 minutes off it probably but overall this was every thing I had hoped for. I do agree that the "gangsta" transformers were stupid but I liked all the rest of them. Especially the little truck guy. Turturro's line to Fox was funnier than hell I thought. I'm paraphrasing badly of course but it was good. "I've been looking for aliens my whole life and the girls carrying one around in a box!" Loved that.
Well, I was referring mainly to the people who were all gung-ho before the election; wasn't implying that you should reply, personally. Anyhoo, if it veers off from the political message (or lack thereof) in the actual movie, I'll definitely move it outta here.
Yeah, that was a great line; I think he said "purse" instead of "box," but that's just about it. It helps that John Turturro's completely flippin' awesome in everything he does, of course (Brain Donors!).
I'm still formulating an overarching opinion on this one. Hopefully I'll have something up tomorrow, which I realize is pretty late. D'oh.
Powdered Water
06-28-09, 06:01 PM
I know. I was just being me and showing off how indifferent I can be. I'm such a rebel!
Can't wait to read your review as always. I toyed with doing one but I've been coming down on the opposite side of so many of these lately, it takes most of my enegy to just defend them much less try to formulate coherent thoughts without completely insulting, well, everyone that doesn't agree with me. :D
Or given what a certain former President was subjected to over the last eight years or so, most of it far more frequent and direct. Or how easy Obama's gotten off in the late-night joke department (the disparity there is massive).
Well, you could argue that Bush didn't suffer many early term jabs, either. Sure, September 11th stymied what jokes he might have had to endure, but jokes about presidents are almost always directed toward their shortcomings in office, or their bizarre behavior. I don't think Obama has been in office long enough to provide substantial material for the late-night sharpshooters (am I going to get investigated for using that word?), and you and I both know that comedians have got to have a receptive audience anyway. Trust me, as Obama's approval rating falls, the jokes will come.
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 06:20 PM
How dismissive you are if someone likes rather than " luh-uh-ve" the current sitting President. You are always slinging arrows if others don't dislike him as you so clearly do.
His name was mentioned, it doesn't matter if the film was mostly written before the election or not. The Presidential connotations weren't good. I doubt that anyone would take these same kind of swipes at the Republican candidates, had they won.
We will never agree on these kind of issues. I won't change your mind, you won't change mine.
By that definition, any fun action movie is "conservative" and "war bird-ish," because they all involve conflict and violence. You might as well say the nature of conflict is "conservative." Nor is the idea of buying American cars particularly conservative; if anything, Republicans are the more free-trade oriented of the two parties these days. Nor did the film show sex as dangerous; at least, not in a serious sense. That's also quite an odd claim to make after referencing how overly attractive most of the women were in an earlier post, too.
As for the rest: the film finished shooting two days before the 2008 election even took place, was obviously written long before that, and the basics of the story were obviously laid out even before that, so unless the screenwriters have come into possession of a flux capacitor, it doesn't seem plausible to suggest that they were taking a swipe at him.
And besides, the idea of a bureaucrat denying the reality of a public danger on their watch has been used a bazillion times in these sorts of movies. It's an action movie cliche.
Even if we ignored all of this (though why would we?), it's not an unreasonable swipe to take. It's largely indirect, almost certaintly incidental, and it's a safe bet you had no problem with this sort of thing throughout most of the decade. So while you may not like it, because you happen to luh-uh-ve the current President, there's really no way it constitutes a "low blow." Though the reaction here would seem to imply a double-standard.
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 06:22 PM
I suppose I'd reply if I cared. I think you guys spend way too much time bickering about this whole thing. But what do I know? I guess its important... sure seems like it mostly just gets folks sideways.
Carry on!
Sure did like the movie by the way. I would've trimmed about 15 minutes off it probably but overall this was every thing I had hoped for. I do agree that the "gangsta" transformers were stupid but I liked all the rest of them. Especially the little truck guy. Turturro's line to Fox was funnier than hell I thought. I'm paraphrasing badly of course but it was good. "I've been looking for aliens my whole life and the girls carrying one around in a box!" Loved that.
That was a good line!
Pyro Tramp
06-28-09, 06:52 PM
Do you know what my favourite Transformer in the film was? The deux-ex Machin(a)
Well, you could argue that Bush didn't suffer many early term jabs, either. Sure, September 11th stymied what jokes he might have had to endure, but jokes about presidents are almost always directed toward their shortcomings in office, or their bizarre behavior. I don't think Obama has been in office long enough to provide substantial material for the late-night sharpshooters (am I going to get investigated for using that word?), and you and I both know that comedians have got to have a receptive audience anyway. Trust me, as Obama's approval rating falls, the jokes will come.
Good point, this probably explains some of it. Not all, though, as the Bush-as-moron jokes flew pretty fast and furious even during the campaign before he was elected. But time will tell. :) Late night still cracks more jokes about the guy that lost the election than than the one who won, though, which is pretty weird.
How dismissive you are if someone likes rather than " luh-uh-ve" the current sitting President. You are always slinging arrows if others don't dislike him as you so clearly do.
Not at all; I'm slinging arguments at statements that I don't think make sense. I've explained why I don't think they make sense, in hopes of getting either an explanation or an admission.
His name was mentioned, it doesn't matter if the film was mostly written before the election or not. The Presidential connotations weren't good. I doubt that anyone would take these same kind of swipes at the Republican candidates, had they won.
How does it not matter if it was written before the election? You're suggesting they wrote in an extremely subtle, generic Presidential criticism (which we can already find in scads of action films) just in case he got elected? And it's not that it was just "mostly written" before the election...it was done filming before the election, which means it was written well before hand. And the point in question was significant to the plot, which means it was probably conceived even before some of the specific writing was done. Not to mention that powerful Obama supporters have money invested in this film, as Mark pointed out earlier.
As for whether or not "these same kind of swipes" would be taken at Republican candidates...no, they'd take completely different swipes, based on different policies. We know, because we've seen them. For example, The Day After Tomorrow has a very obvious Cheney-type talking tough on climate change and then being forced to eat his words. Was that a "low blow" too?
We will never agree on these kind of issues. I won't change your mind, you won't change mine.
I don't really get much of a chance to change your mind, because you're unresponsive to nearly every argument I put forward.
Pointing out that you're not going to change your political ideology is irrelevant, because I'm not asking you to. I'm asking you to account for opinions which you've chosen to express publicly.
I was not going to watch this movie untill DVD time, but they bash Obama? I in.
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 07:45 PM
Once again, discussing anything that you don't like, becomes both a curricular argument and a bash at the person who doesn't agree with you, Yoda.
Sorry, that's not a game I care to play.
Now back to the movie:
How about when one of the robot says, "He's close by, I can smell him?" Does that make any sense?
LOL
Once again, discussing anything that you don't like, becomes both a curricular argument and a bash at the person who doesn't agree with you, Yoda.
A circular argument is when someone uses an argument to justify itself, or two arguments to justify each other, and none of it has any actual foundation. What we're having is not a circular argument; it's just me making an argument, and you deciding you don't want to respond.
Sorry, that's not a game I care to play.
Then why post it in the first place? Why post things you aren't willing to discuss, or express political views you're unwilling to defend? Isn't that trying to have it both ways? If an opinion is important enough to share, one would think it'd be important enough to discuss.
Responding to other people's opinions (and yes, even disagreeing with them) is basically the foundation of this entire site. Without it, we'd all just be listing our opinions and never engaging in any meaningful conversation. We'd never challenge each other, learn anything from each other, or understand each other better. It'd be nice and safe and psychologically comforting...and incredibly boring.
If you decide you want to post political or cinematic opinions and never respond to anyone who takes issue with them, that's certainly your right, but it strikes me as a relatively hollow form of participation.
spudracer
06-28-09, 09:09 PM
Having not seen the film, I'm guessing the script was written long before Obama won the Presidency and they just added his name in afterwards to try to keep the film topical.
The Obama mention in the movie was a tip of the hat, so to speak, from Bay. the story goes something like, they were both in the airport and ran into each other (while Obama was campaigning) and they struck up a conversation, but Obama didn't know Bay off the bat. After a little while, Obama figured out what movies he'd done and said that he liked them.
If you're referring to jabs, how about in the first film? Aboard Air Force One, the flight attendants are so excited to wrangle the President up some ding dongs. Personally, I don't think there were any jabs at the President, I just think that you were trying to find something more in the movie.
Not to mention a majority (if not all) of the vehicles were GM, not Ford. So, if you're wrong on one thing, couldn't you be wrong on another?
BD, you're reading too far into a popcorn flick to begin with. These types of films are never intended to be taken seriously.
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 09:25 PM
That's right, I'm hollow, and other derogatory things according to you, simply because I want to express my opinions about things but don't wish to argue with someone who enjoys arguing. BTW, debate and arguing is a far cry from discussing something.
Each time you decide to harangue me it certainly makes me feel less welcome here. The number of put downs you've served up to me and others, simply for sharing views and because we don't wish to see things, your way or argue the way you like to is quite amazing to me.
A circular argument is when someone uses an argument to justify itself, or two arguments to justify each other, and none of it has any actual foundation. What we're having is not a circular argument; it's just me making an argument, and you deciding you don't want to respond.
Then why post it in the first place? Why post things you aren't willing to discuss, or express political views you're unwilling to defend? Isn't that trying to have it both ways? If an opinion is important enough to share, one would think it'd be important enough to discuss.
Responding to other people's opinions (and yes, even disagreeing with them) is basically the foundation of this entire site. Without it, we'd all just be listing our opinions and never engaging in any meaningful conversation. We'd never challenge each other, learn anything from each other, or understand each other better. It'd be nice and safe and psychologically comforting...and incredibly boring.
If you decide you want to post political or cinematic opinions and never respond to anyone who takes issue with them, that's certainly your right, but it strikes me as a relatively hollow form of participation.
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 09:33 PM
Interesting post! I agree with you, it is mostly a popcorn film but even such films can have a political viewpoint.
It also had shades of that cartoon, Dilbert, IMO, the one with the pointy haired boss in it. The point of which, seems to me, to be that Bosses suck.
LOL.
The Obama mention in the movie was a tip of the hat, so to speak, from Bay. the story goes something like, they were both in the airport and ran into each other (while Obama was campaigning) and they struck up a conversation, but Obama didn't know Bay off the bat. After a little while, Obama figured out what movies he'd done and said that he liked them.
If you're referring to jabs, how about in the first film? Aboard Air Force One, the flight attendants are so excited to wrangle the President up some ding dongs. Personally, I don't think there were any jabs at the President, I just think that you were trying to find something more in the movie.
Not to mention a majority (if not all) of the vehicles were GM, not Ford. So, if you're wrong on one thing, couldn't you be wrong on another?
BD, you're reading too far into a popcorn flick to begin with. These types of films are never intended to be taken seriously.
That's right, I'm hollow, and other derogatory things according to you, simply because I want to express my opinions about things but don't wish to argue with someone who enjoys arguing. BTW, debate and arguing is a far cry from discussing something.
I didn't say you were hollow, I said expecting one-way interaction and not wanting to explain your opinions is a hollow form of participation. There's an important distinction between criticizing someone, and criticizing what they're doing.
You seem to be implying that you just don't like arguing with argumentative people, but that doesn't add up. I don't see you engaging anyone else, regardless of their tone, and I've asked questions about your statements in perfectly benign ways on a variety of topics, and the result is always the same: any form of sustained disagreement leads to stonewalling.
And for the record, I don't usually like to argue. If it seems like I do, it's only because I like it more than keeping quiet when someone says something that I don't think makes sense.
Each time you decide to harangue me it certainly makes me feel less welcome here. The number of put downs you've served up to me and others, simply for sharing views and because we don't wish to see things, your way or argue the way you like to is quite amazing to me.
I don't think I've ever put down someone simply for sharing their views. In fact, that's the opposite of what's happening. You're not sharing your views; you're just sharing your conclusions. Sharing your views would be explaining why you think these things, which is exactly what I've been asking you to do this entire time.
I don't know who these "others" are, either, so please enlighten me. Most of the people I argue with I have an immense respect and appreciation for. Golgot and I argue about everything under the sun (hell, we argue about the sun sometimes), but he comes to informed conclusions and can explain how he did.
If this were really about argumentative style, you wouldn't be arguing with me about arguments. You seem to have no problem arguing with me to tell me how unfair I'm being, after all. Apparently that's worthwhile, but actually explaining your views is "pointless."
Late night still cracks more jokes about the guy that lost the election than than the one who won, though, which is pretty weird.
Well, I'd argue that Al Gore has been the butt of many jokes since he lost to Bush in 2000. So, maybe not too weird. ;)
bleacheddecay
06-28-09, 10:18 PM
Thanks once again for making me feel like a valued and welcome part of this community.
Oh wait . . .
:nope:
It must be so very difficult for you always feeling that you are right about every little thing. All that refusal to listen, all that judging must be tiring.
TheUsualSuspect
06-29-09, 02:19 AM
Apparently I just lost my entire review of this film, which sucks. Here it goes again, I hate writing this crap out twice.
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
So the film goes like this. Sam decides to put on his old shirt from the first film and when he takes it out, a piece of the cube falls out. He picks it up and it imprints a bunch of alien text into his brain. Yeah, this is where the so called story starts. Anyways, bad robots are after this information, good robots must protect him, people run in slow motion, Megan Fox looks hot, someone wants to destroy the sun, they require help from robots so old they use walking canes and then Boom. Something explodes. This is Transformers in a nutshell. The film is so confused on what it's intentions are that it has to literally have one character ask the plot of the film from another. This scene happens in the movie.
A sequel to Transformers has to be bigger and louder, or else what would the point be right? Michael Bay seems to be an advocate of "We Can Fix It In Post" or "We'll Throw Some CGI At It". This is never a good sign and this film is a prime example. For starters, the film is too long. It has unnecessary scenes that do nothing for the film. Seeing Sam's mother on drugs for comedic relief is not funny, it's rather eye rolling. This is screen time that could have been giving to develop a bit more of a story, or hell been axed all together and shave of 20 minutes of failed comedy.
You simply cannot rely on Giant Robots Fighting as a draw for the audience. You need to give them substance, something this film lacks. For one, the main villain from the first one, good old Megatron, takes orders from some dude on a random planet. This guy is the "Fallen" and he returns to earth to destroy the sun, blah, blah, blah he has very little screen time. We don't feel the threat. Speaking of very little screen time, let's look at the main stars of this piece. No, not LaBeouf or Fox, the Autobots. The main reason this movie will make money is because of them and they get shafted hard here. Aside from Prime, every other Autobot is basically background filler. With one key scene in the beginning, then nothing else. Why alienate the fan base that warranted a sequel in the first place. Oh wait, I forgot, they do focus on some Transformers. They are called the twins, speak jive, can't read and one has a gold tooth.
The entire film feels like Bay is just trying to out due himself. I can picture him on the set thinking how to make things seem bigger and more hectic, without giving a damn about the script. A script that is full of pages that read character jumps from explosion here, character runs from explosion there, character screams. But hey, what did I expect from a Bay flick right? Well, he did do The Rock and the first Transformers was really good. The final battle scene in that flick had more going for it, here I couldn't give a damn.
Speaking of no giving a damn, the human characters. Megan Fox, sure she is hot, but can she act? Not if we are going on this performance. Her orange skin was distracting in the first flick, this time it's her big Jolie lips. Labeouf? His role consists of the aforementioned running and screaming. Argh, so much running and screaming that you don't know what is going on or who is who. The robots, now I consider myself to have basic knowledge of the Transformers universe. but I couldn't tell what was what unless they were specifically mentioned, like Starscream or Soundwave. I finally figured if I see a robot, it has to be an evil one because that's all they seemed to be focusing on. Where was Barricade? The cop car that mysteriously disappears from the first film before the climactic battle. I thought they would bring him back here and mention that, but nothing. Instead we get a 5 second cameo from Scorponok, the one who tunnels underground, before he gets lights out. There is a new character, who basically plays the role Anthony Anderson played in the first one, a tech geek. His only purpose is to re-introduce Turturro.
I wanted more from this film, and not in the sense of bigger and louder. It's nice and all, but is that honestly all you think we want? We all know going into a Bay film we will get this, has he given up on giving us anything more? Has it been dumbed down to us guessing just how many explosions he will use in his films now? Too many, for this one. Giant robots fighting each other is cool, but we've seen it once. Is the only thing you're going to offer us is the same thing in a different setting? Change the city to a forest and some pyramids and it's all good?
In defense of the flick, the special effects are top notch, they are epic. They look great up on the big screen and that's where you should see this flick, if you have any interest at all. The big screen and loud sound was made for this flick. The fight sequences are interesting, even if the last one drags on too long. The idea behind the this film is good, the whole history and origins of the Transformers, but instead of diving deeper into that, they elected for more boom boom.
Too many characters (did we really need a robot chick who looked like she belonged in Terminator 3), too many robots (and the ones we actually care about are left for background filter), and an overblown and overly long film. This film could have been 20 minutes shorter. Transformers feels hollow inside. The first film had heart, this one is just dread. I give credit where credit is due and the film is great to see in the theatre, I wasn't really bored, but nor was I really interested.
It will please the target audience of teenage boys who want to see things blow up or Megan Fox run in slow motion. But for everyone else, it's just another summer blockbuster that is louder then the original.
On a side note: The mention of Obama and Swine flu felt out of place and will just date the film in the years to come.
2.5
renanorola
06-29-09, 06:40 AM
transformer is a great movie. what do you think now much transformer earn?
Harvey Dent
06-29-09, 07:33 AM
transformer is a great movie. what do you think now much transformer earn?
Alot.
Pyro Tramp
06-29-09, 08:42 AM
More than it deserves to, that's for sure
Thanks once again for making me feel like a valued and welcome part of this community.
Oh wait . . .
:nope:
But I don't value it when people express opinions with no interest in explaining them or acknowleding dissent. Why should I? Anyone can form an opinion. That's not valuable; what's valuable is forming an informed opinion and explaining how you did. I'm not going to pretend otherwise just to get along with everyone.
It must be so very difficult for you always feeling that you are right about every little thing. All that refusal to listen, all that judging must be tiring.
No, what's tiring is watching someone completely dodge every question and point put forward, and try to personalize the discussion to obfuscate that fact. And I can't refuse to listen to things you aren't even saying. That's the entire point. You're suggesting I should change my mind based on arguments you refuse to make? What?
You may have noticed that Mark made a couple of points about the film in his typically level-headed, genial manner. You ignored those. Spud made a few, too; you replied to him, and (politely) ignored those, too. The idea that this is about me specifically is demonstrably false; you're dismissing disagreement of any kind from users you have no problem with.
Look, if you express an opinion that makes no sense, be prepared for the annoying fact that someone's going to call you on it. The idea that Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen takes a shot at President Obama is implausible. It was written long before he won the election, and the plot point in question is a well-worn action cliche. Do you have a response to this? Attempts to psychoanalyze me don't count.
TheDOMINATOR
06-29-09, 01:18 PM
Went and saw this last night.
Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
(Michael Bay, 2009)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5224/transformers2deeper.jpg
In short, Tranformers 2 is one hell of an action movie. It's got giant robots with immense battles and huge explosions, and contains sequences of epic proportions in terms of blissful robot-alien destruction. However, it lacks the essential things that separate it from being a mindless action romp to being a roller-coaster-ride film with a brain: Transformers 2 lacks substance and thoughtful originality to its simple, linear plot.
... SEE FULL REVIEW (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=17916)
3+
I liked it, but I didn't really like it.
FILMFREAK087
06-30-09, 02:30 AM
Haven't seen it, but this expresses my views rather well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQsthDNGW0&feature=PlayList&p=6171464429034DD0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26
Pyro Tramp
06-30-09, 04:54 AM
Video "not available in my country due to copyright reasons", that's a new one
TheUsualSuspect
06-30-09, 06:55 PM
It works for me....that's a new one too.
Saw Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen on Saturday. This may sound stupid, but I think these films actually have a lot of potential, even if this one didn't really live up to it. Like most beloved franchises there's actually quite a bit of backstory, but the movie isn't really interested in exploring any more of it than is necessary to justify assembling the movie.
Here's an excerpt of the review, with a link to the rest:
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (http://www.movieforums.com/reviews/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen.html)
http://www.movieforums.com/images/main/transformers_2_main.jpg
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen plays into nearly every complaint about Hollywood that has ever been made. It is loud, a sequel, contains countless specials effects, blows a lot of things up, and uses sex appeal and violence in tandem. It embodies every cliché about the movie industry. ...READ MORE
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spudracer
07-01-09, 02:38 PM
Great review, Yods! Seems like we're all on the same page, for the most part.
It's pretty bad when Yahoo is posting the Top 10 plot holes in the movie within the first week of it being released.
Yeah, after thinking and reading a bit more about it, I actually bumped it down from 2.5 to 2. I still think I let it off easy, mainly because a couple of action scenes were great fun and I can't get the score out of my head. But there really are a lot of ridiculous moments, the more I think about it, even by giant alien robot movie standards.
I wanted to talk a little bit about all the racial stereotype controversy, but couldn't find an elegant way to incorporate it into the review. I'll just say that I can see why some people would be upset, and that the stereotypes don't even have the benefit of being funny, which is the usual tradeoff with such mini-furors. It's a stereotype and it's pointless and unfunny, which is unforgivable from every angle.
It's pretty bad when Yahoo is posting the Top 10 plot holes in the movie within the first week of it being released.
LINK (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html) to aforementioned article. (Warning: SPOILERS)
Some of those ten reasons are just stupid, but others are dead-on. I guess nobody likes a Top Six list.
spudracer
07-01-09, 03:15 PM
I do know what you're referring to when you mention the score, Yoda. I find myself walking around with it in my head.
It's a stereotype and it's pointless and unfunny, which is unforgivable from every angle.
I really think Bay was trying to do something with Skids and Mudflap to make them enjoyable for all ages, but the manner in which they were executed, along with Wheelie, makes for a major backfire. I know friends that were taking their young (between 8-9 yr old) kids to see this and couldn't help but remember the scenes, in which one of the above characters was involved, and not be able to do anything but cringe. For the kids, I think not.
Some of those ten reasons are just stupid, but others are dead-on. I guess nobody likes a Top Six list.
Yeah, I found a few to be a little ridiculous, but for the most part it's fairly accurate.
On another note, Sam's roommate (Rodriguez), is supposedly going to be given a larger role in the third installment (because we know there's going to be one). Joy.
r3port3r66
07-01-09, 03:23 PM
Not really a plot hole, but an irritation to my intellect none the less:
Why wouldn't his 40+ year old mother know what a marijuana leaf would look like, like the one placed on the baggie of pot which she mistakes for (i don't know what'd she mistake it for?) before she ingests it.
spudracer
07-01-09, 03:34 PM
I noticed that as well, r66, but figured it wasn't worth putting any thought into.
TheUsualSuspect
07-01-09, 06:44 PM
In response to the link posted.
1. I agree with this one big time and I was scratching my head over the fact that they threw this line into this movie. It just doesn't make sense.
2. Well of course they didn't know it would bring Prime back to life, besides they already used it on Jetfire.
3. Continuity mistake? Not a big deal.
4. Don't really care for this one.
5. I agree, her involvement was dumb and I also thought his voice box was fixed.
6. Good point, but I let it slide for the sake of entertainment, at least on my end.
7. Not important.
8. Again, didn't care for this one, for the sake of entertainment
9. I didn't like this either. He dies in order to bring the matrix thing a jig back to a solid form? Lame.
10. Fans gripes.
Also, I don't even recall ever seeing Sideswipe in this movie other than when he's a car and the fact that they never explained how Megatron switched from being a jet to a tank. Did I miss that scene somewhere?
spudracer
07-01-09, 11:36 PM
Also, I don't even recall ever seeing Sideswipe in this movie other than when he's a car and the fact that they never explained how Megatron switched from being a jet to a tank. Did I miss that scene somewhere?
Sideswipe had a couple of scenes, most notable being in Shanghai where he splits the Decepticon in two. Megatron's form change is not explained, neither is why they have to take parts off of one of the other hulks when the Allspark (all or shard) should fix any and all problems.
You have a lot of valid points in your post, TUS. I can say it over and over again, yes this IS a popcorn flick, nothing more. However, the movie has to make sense and not have people scratching their heads afterwards.
One of the things that really chapped me, and I thought it was funny that it made it to the Top 10 plot holes, was...
Jetfire pushing the door open to reveal a boneyard, in the National flippin Mall!? WTF!? It just didn't make sense.
Not to mention other things. Still, something keeps telling me I want to see it again. I think Bay put subliminal messages into the film.
BumbleBee
07-05-09, 12:07 PM
All up I have to say it was a great movie, The scenes were great and the Acting was terrific, But then again i would have liked to see some more of the Decepticons and other notable characters from the Cartoons. I must say despite some things not being so solid for the movie which maybe let it down alittle, the Special Effects Were mint!
Sci-Fi-Guy
07-07-09, 12:15 AM
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Saw it last week...
LOVED it! ;D
http://i44.tinypic.com/m78390.jpg
I didn't care how long it was, I was entertained the whole time.
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I didn't understand why The Fallen said only a Prime could destroy him (since I assume he was one of them) and yet Optimus was 'killed' by regular Decepticons.
He should pretty well be invincible to defeat by any of the other Decepticons if this was the case.
http://i42.tinypic.com/xe362r.jpg
Sideswipe was a complete and total badass. Loved how he ripped that Decepticon in half.
More of him and less of the Twins would have made things way better.
http://i26.tinypic.com/9hl8qt.jpg
Jetfire was cool.
Too bad he had to go.
http://i39.tinypic.com/339iw3r.jpg
Ravage's death by spine removal (like peeling a shish kabob) was awesome but too fast.
I almost blinked and missed it.
http://i43.tinypic.com/16apdfm.jpg
Needed way more Arcee and her holo-chick rider.
Why add the only female Autobot in the movie if they aren't gonna use her?
http://i42.tinypic.com/jfuskm.jpg
Decepti-babe was smokin hawt.
That really was the most deceptful disguise there could be.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2romaac.jpg
Mikalia's little decepti-pet was cool.
Wheelie, was it? Did he survive? I didn't see him die.
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Soundwave's Batman growl voice = fail.
Wasn't metallic enough.
http://i40.tinypic.com/29wjxwo.jpg
I was kinda surprised at the amount of death and carnage in this one though.
Not that I'm complaining. It's unrealistic when people don't die in this kinda movie.
Didn't they say 7000 dead?
http://i39.tinypic.com/91ickp.jpg
I was hoping for more of an ending though. Seemed rushed.
I also was hoping Megatron would really be destroyed in this one so we can finally have Galvatron next time (I don't know why they didn't just do that this time around).
http://i43.tinypic.com/bh13th.jpg
:up:
MovieMan8877445
07-07-09, 12:51 AM
I think everyone is looking into this too deeply. It's meant to be a fun action movie, and that's exactly what it is.
All up I have to say it was a great movie, The scenes were great and the Acting was terrific, But then again i would have liked to see some more of the Decepticons and other notable characters from the Cartoons. I must say despite some things not being so solid for the movie which maybe let it down alittle, the Special Effects Were mint!
Ok so... You slay Christian Bale for being a bad actor (he isn't), while applauding the acting in Transformers 2?
Ridiculous!
spudracer
07-07-09, 04:39 PM
I think everyone is looking into this too deeply. It's meant to be a fun action movie, and that's exactly what it is.
That is true, but the action has to make sense. Even for action movie standards, they left a lot of holes wide open that just didn't make sense. Not to mention the aspects that were just plain annoying.
Love this. Optimus Prime himself delivers the "Top Ten Things That Sound Cool When Spoken By a Giant Robot" on Letterman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=capoqysbgI0
Sci-Fi-Guy
07-10-09, 05:07 PM
Awesome.:D
spudracer
07-10-09, 08:36 PM
"Man, I love me some 'taters" :laugh:
1badgmc
07-19-09, 01:05 PM
I got to see Transformers 2 in a drive-in. That was cool. The first movie was definitely tons better than this one. I'll leave it at that.
I remember being a complete begging slut to almost everyone to come with me and see the Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen. It was after I denied an invite or two from friends who saw the movie on the first days. It wasn't that I wasn't too excited about the whole Megan Fox thing, it was just that I was expecting someone to accompany me on seeing this movie. I ended up seeing Revenge of The Fallen by my poor lonesome on its second week run at SM Cinemas. I was twittering thru my mobile phone while watching the movie, expressing my gladness and esteem to the movie. I was there in the dark, alone with a grand number of unknown people who seemed to enjoy the unbelievable visual effects this movie was offering.
Things I enjoyed about the film other than Megan Fox, was the comedy injected to it, the kissing scene between Megan Fox and that funny lucky lead boy while playing a good The Fray song, the visual it brought to the big screen and some more. Although it was one of the better movies I have seen in recent years, I can not deny the fact that it deals with a lot of stupidity issues. Example: Transformers being unknown and fictional to the public. I mean, weren't they in the Headline news on the original movie? But then again, who cares? People in the movie house seemed to enjoy it. And it was, again, intended not to win an Oscar, but to make people see the power of visual effects.
Veronica_888
08-27-09, 07:29 AM
Good popcorn movie regardless of the plot. I would prefer Star Trek than this one.
Transformers 1 was awesome, 2 was a little to much with the transformers.
starlite
02-27-10, 03:45 PM
In part 2, I just couldn't understand Optimus Primes undying Love for the humans?
Even if it meant his own kind went extinct...to me Optimous Prime was a trader...
And in all reality, he had nothing to gain by serving the humans, making himself their servant...for what?
That just did not make sense...all the Decepticans wanted was energy to keep their robotic babies alive...
I garuntee you, if the situations were reversed, the humans wouldn't hesitate to take and do whatever they had to to ensure the survival of their species...
So optimus Primes blind loyalty to the humans, just didn't make sense...he was a traitor...
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