View Full Version : Making rep public on all posts?
Howdy MoFos.
Now that some of the upgrade-related bugs are being worked out, and some of the new features in store are starting to round into shape, I thought I'd throw an idea at you: what do you think about making rep totals public on all posts?
Right now, we see rep totals on our own posts, but any post by someone else either has the thumb icons, or, if we've already given rep to it, the "Thanks!" message. This change would display the existing rep total for all posts. The up/down icons and any designation about having already rated the post would go alongside the rating somewhere.
What do you think? Technically, rep is public anyway, in that it shows up on the Post Ratings (http://www.movieforums.com/community/ratings.php) page (which is definitely going to get a facelift at some point, by the way), so this isn't a major change. Would still like to hear any thoughts you guys might have. Mainly, I'm just checking to see if there are any objections or problems that may have eluded me. :)
mikeython1
01-21-09, 12:43 PM
Sounds cool. http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/2.gif
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 12:45 PM
Yeah I agree.... I do think that the "thanks!" message should stay though. It's a nice touch.
It sounds like a good idea to me.
Yeah I agree.... I do think that the "thanks!" message should stay though. It's a nice touch.
Actually, I've always hated how it says "Thanks" both times. A few times I doubted that I hit the right thumb. This way, we will know, as long as we remember to look at the rep on the post, before we click our choice.
Now I really like this idea.
Caitlyn
01-21-09, 12:50 PM
Didn't we have this before? Anyway, tis okay with me...
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 12:59 PM
It sounds like a good idea to me.
Actually, I've always hated how it says "Thanks" both times. A few times I doubted that I hit the right thumb. This way, we will know, as long as we remember to look at the rep on the post, before we click our choice.
Now I really like this idea.
It says Thanks! when you hit the thumbs-down as well? haven't given negative rep yet)
Didn't we have this before? Anyway, tis okay with me...
I don't think we had it before, but it's possible I might have forgotten about it, if we only had it for a brief period of time.
Anyway, yeah, one of the ideas here would be to help good posts stand out, and to let people know that they've clicked the right button.
Related to that: I'm thinking of replacing the thumbs with green and red buttons, so it's easier to tell them apart. Might put one on either side of the rating total, as well.
Caitlyn
01-21-09, 01:47 PM
I don't think we had it before, but it's possible I might have forgotten about it, if we only had it for a brief period of time.
Anyway, yeah, one of the ideas here would be to help good posts stand out, and to let people know that they've clicked the right button.
Related to that: I'm thinking of replacing the thumbs with green and red buttons, so it's easier to tell them apart. Might put one on either side of the rating total, as well.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure we had it back during 'the Django wars'... :D
I like the idea of the red and green buttons... I don't suppose the thumbs come in those colors? ;)
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 01:50 PM
I like the idea of the red and green buttons... I don't suppose the thumbs come in those colors? ;)
But I like the thumbs :'(
Sadly, no, at least not that I've seen. I'm a bit attached to my thumbs (har de har har), and it might weird people out if they're replaced, but I think we'd all adjust pretty quick, and it's probably for the best. I'll try to find the simplest set of up/down icons and go with it. If I find a few, we might even have a vote. :D I probably run way too many of these details by you guys, but hey, it's better than the other way.
Sounds like a cool idea Yoda yeah try it man.
I think it's a very good idea. I knows how it could be useful for me.
As I've stated in the past, I don't want my rep public at all.
According to the Help Section, I should to uncheck a box labeled 'Show Your Reputation Level', but I haven't found it.
That refers to the reputation the forum system comes with, which we don't really use -- I modified it to make up the post comments system, and wrote my own reputation system instead, to be a good deal simpler.
Anyway, I'm not sure how we could fairly allow people to opt out of the system. It'd be like letting people opt out of receiving good or bad comments. And though you're clearly not a troll, what would stop one of them from just turning their rep off as soon as it went south?
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 05:49 PM
would someone define troll? I doubt that you actually mean the trolls in the orc/goblin category? :P
:laugh: It's a pretty broadly defined term, but it generally just refers to an overt troublemaker. I think, technically speaking, it was first used to describe someone who stirred things up just to get attention, but I sometimes hear it used to describe people who just make trouble in general, whether they thrive on it or not.
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 06:07 PM
... and here I was thinking it had something to do with smell...
John McClane
01-21-09, 06:34 PM
I like the idea of the red and green buttons... I don't suppose the thumbs come in those colors? ;)You mean like: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1051/thumbsdownredbl4.gif and http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7344/thumbsupgreenhm1.gif?
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 06:43 PM
You mean like: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1051/thumbsdownredbl4.gif and http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7344/thumbsupgreenhm1.gif?
I vote for those
Looks pretty good to me. :) I only have a couple other sets I like. Everyone cool with me putting a few choices up for a vote?
KasperKristensen
01-21-09, 06:49 PM
yeah man, awesome
John McClane
01-21-09, 06:56 PM
Looks pretty good to me. :) I only have a couple other sets I like. Everyone cool with me putting a few choices up for a vote?Certainly. :yup:
Caitlyn
01-21-09, 07:02 PM
You mean like: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1051/thumbsdownredbl4.gif and http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7344/thumbsupgreenhm1.gif?
Go Johnny Mc... very cool... :cool:
Looks pretty good to me. :) I only have a couple other sets I like. Everyone cool with me putting a few choices up for a vote?
Sounds good to me... :)
martian leader
01-21-09, 07:11 PM
Sounds great! :D
meatwadsprite
01-21-09, 07:12 PM
You mean like: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1051/thumbsdownredbl4.gif and http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7344/thumbsupgreenhm1.gif?
That's badass :cool:
Related to that: I'm thinking of replacing the thumbs with green and red buttons, so it's easier to tell them apart. Might put one on either side of the rating total, as well.
You mean like: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1051/thumbsdownredbl4.gif and http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7344/thumbsupgreenhm1.gif?
I'll be the first to say that I don't like those. Although I haven't seen the 'buttons' yet, they sound nice. Especially being divided up by the ratings total.
That refers to the reputation the forum system comes with, which we don't really use -- I modified it to make up the post comments system, and wrote my own reputation system instead, to be a good deal simpler.
Anyway, I'm not sure how we could fairly allow people to opt out of the system. It'd be like letting people opt out of receiving good or bad comments. And though you're clearly not a troll, what would stop one of them from just turning their rep off as soon as it went south?
Good point Yodamalu.
I'll be the first to say that I don't like those. Although I haven't seen the 'buttons' yet, they sound nice. Especially being divided up by the ratings total.
God Des, first the "Thanks!" message, now the green and red thumbs. When will the hate end!?
God Des, first the "Thanks!" message, now the green and red thumbs. When will the hate end!?
I dunno! I'm on a roll!
They're just too colorful for my liking. I mean, my favorite color is black. Geesh, why don't you act like you don't even know me at all. I mean really!
If it's black, gray, midnight blue, gold, or silver, I'm in. The only reason I'm cool with the red and green buttons, is because I'm use to our rep dots. Trust me, if I could have a black lightsaber, I would. :D
You mean like: http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1051/thumbsdownredbl4.gif and http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7344/thumbsupgreenhm1.gif?
These thumbs looks nice.
I don't mind the current thumbs, except that I have selected the wrong one a few times, because they tend to be pretty close.
Can they be spread out?
Making rep public?
Sure.
That would be great.
http://sk1.yt-thm-a04.yimg.com/image/342ba8cbaae5f066 (http://www.metacrawler.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.melodias.ws%2FLogos_a_Color-Nokia_3200-15-830.htm&0=&1=0&4=67.63.50.255&5=207.200.116.136&9=8d2696845732413e96e4c01c857bc901&10=1&11=info.metac&13=search&14=372380&15=main-title&17=16&18=16&19=0&20=0&21=16&22=eAdduSmnCZw%3D&40=H0hinu8%2FBzUyv6hHyqzVCg%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true)
Powdered Water
01-22-09, 12:46 AM
If you do this does it mean that the Post rating index will go away? I hope not, I like that section. I love poking around in there.
Nah, don't worry, it stays. But it was a real rush job (people were clamoring for something like it at the time) and really needs to be re-done. But I won't remove it outright or anything.
Tacitus
01-23-09, 06:11 AM
Without wishing to throw a spanner into the works, what about our colour-blind brothers and sisters? I'm not being totally facetious either, having a degree of blue/green difficulty, but differing symbols make more sense to me than ones which are just differently coloured.
What about having a larger space between the positive and negative buttons? I've hit the thumbs down by mistake a couple of times but have always left the user two more positive ones and a little note explaining my stupidity. ;)
KasperKristensen
01-23-09, 11:22 AM
I'm with Tacitus. I guess you could create a minor pop-up where one can confirm. But that might be extremely annoying down the road.
Caitlyn
01-23-09, 11:28 AM
Without wishing to throw a spanner into the works, what about our colour-blind brothers and sisters? I'm not being totally facetious either, having a degree of blue/green difficulty, but differing symbols make more sense to me than ones which are just differently coloured.
Very good point... I, for one, didn't even think about that... and really should have as I know someone who is color-blind...
KasperKristensen
01-23-09, 11:33 AM
how about a tiny picture of Sean Connery for bad rep? :P
iluv2viddyfilms
01-23-09, 12:18 PM
I'm for it. I did listen to that thing about Connery saying there are times when women need hit. Funny guy. I'm not so much against it being directed at women as much as I'm just against violence in general.
Yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure the updated layout will have the +1 on the left, and the -1 on the right, with the post's current total in the middle. This should help with misclicks and the like.
love the idea - do it! :D
martian leader
01-23-09, 08:16 PM
Looks pretty good to me. :) I only have a couple other sets I like. Everyone cool with me putting a few choices up for a vote?
Go 4 it! :yup:
John McClane
01-23-09, 08:28 PM
Any idea when we might see the new rep implementation?
TheDOMINATOR
01-23-09, 09:27 PM
Sounds good to me. :cool:
honeykid
01-23-09, 11:22 PM
Actually, I've always hated how it says "Thanks" both times. A few times I doubted that I hit the right thumb. This way, we will know, as long as we remember to look at the rep on the post, before we click our choice.
I didn't know that. A couple of times I've thought that I might've neg repped someone but, as it said "thanks", I've assumed that I'd pos repped them.
To anyone who I may've neg repped, I apologise. I've yet to intentionally neg rep anyone.
Since Yoda won't let me opt out of the reputation system, I will be utilizing it completely today.
In the past, I didn't knowingly give negative rep, except one time.
Because I took this stance, I won't give negative rep for past posts.
I'm sure some of you have noticed the positive rep I'm giving out on old posts.
I will continue to do this till I finish all the categories.
Loner.
John McClane
01-26-09, 12:34 AM
Umm ok :)Yea, that was rather random. :)
I was wondering about that. I got a barrage of positive rep from Loner for a bunch of answers in the Movie Questions forum. It all makes sense now.
Well, it's official: rep is now public for all users on all posts. Instead of seeing "Thanks!" when you add rep, you'll simply see the updated rep total. The thumb icons are on either side of the rating now, to reduce the likelihood of clicking the wrong one, and the posts do not appear on any of your own posts, or any post you've already rated.
KasperKristensen
02-02-09, 07:27 PM
the thumbs seem the same to me?
Lusty Argonian
02-02-09, 07:28 PM
the thumbs seem the same to me?
I was gonna say the same thing. The rep total popping up is definitely working though.
mikeython1
02-02-09, 07:29 PM
The thumbs are the same to me also. Are previous reps given per post going to show up or only rep from here on out?
the thumbs seem the same to me?
thumbs should be the same. Just give me the Thumbs up right now, and look at what replaces the thumbs. It'll say +1
Aye, Lennon has it right: the thumbs are supposed to be the same; they're just positioned on either side of the rep total.
I have a few sets of possible replacement icons, including the ones MattJohn made earlier. If I can find some more I'll probably take some screenshots and let you guys vote on whether or not we should change them.
The thumbs are the same to me also. Are previous reps given per post going to show up or only rep from here on out?
Totally retroactive, as if it were always this way. :)
The data's also being stored in a more efficient (static) manner that should put a little less strain on the query that brings up the posts on thread pages. Probably won't be noticable most of the time, but every little bit helps.
Lusty Argonian
02-02-09, 07:56 PM
Alright. I getz it now. Good job, Yods.
By the way Mike, that random rep was just to see again what happens. :p
KasperKristensen
02-02-09, 08:03 PM
Well, it's official: rep is now public for all users on all posts. Instead of seeing "Thanks!" when you add rep, you'll simply see the updated rep total. The thumb icons are on either side of the rating now, to reduce the likelihood of clicking the wrong one, and the posts do not appear on any of your own posts, or any post you've already rated.
how does that reduce the risk of clicking the wrong thumb though? you only see what you've clicked after you've done it?
It reduces the risk because they're not next to each other any more.
i tried it on you kasper and it looks like the same old system to me. i click a thumb, and I get a thanks. nothing new. is it just me? :confused:
Probably a caching issue. Should go back to normal before long, but if not you might have to empty your cache out, reboot, or something similar, to see the change.
KasperKristensen
02-02-09, 08:21 PM
It reduces the risk because they're not next to each other any more.
Aah. Now it makes sense :). But the thumbs seem the same here still.
You mean you still get "Thanks!"? Because the actual thumb images are supposed to be the same. I've just changed their positioning, added the rep total on every post, removed the "Thanks!" message, and modified a few things behind the scenes.
Lusty Argonian
02-02-09, 08:41 PM
I think he means the thumb positions are still the same.
KasperKristensen
02-02-09, 08:43 PM
what lusty said
Anyone still getting the thumb icons side-by-side, try going to this URL, and then reloading a thread page:
http://www.movieforums.com/community/index.php?styleid=12
Lusty Argonian
02-02-09, 08:52 PM
Kay, that link worked for me. Trippy.
Godoggo
02-02-09, 08:52 PM
Anyone still getting the thumb icons side-by-side, try going to this URL, and then reloading a thread page:
http://www.movieforums.com/community/index.php?styleid=12
Worked for me. Thanks, Yoda.
KasperKristensen
02-02-09, 09:01 PM
mee too :). good job
mikeython1
02-02-09, 11:14 PM
It worked for me to but I left the site came back for a little bit and then erased my temporary internet files. When I came back now I had to reload that url again.
Hm. Very strange -- we're using a new style, but it's set to be the default style, so I'm not sure why it's not taking for everyone. I'll look into this. In the meantime, the rep system should still work, at the very least.
I had to use the link, as well. I also have to restart, and window wash, in a bit. I'll let you know if that made it change back again.
p.s. This is freakin' trick! ;)
Okay, I figured it out. :) Most of the forums had the old style specified, which override the site-wide setting. I'm updating them now, so you should get the new rep layout every time now, without having to click any silly links.
Sorry about that.
mikeython1
02-03-09, 02:56 PM
I just signed in now and at first it was the old way. Then I did a hard refresh that you told me about during upgrade and it loaded the new public rep system. I dont know if that helps?
I just signed in now and at first it was the old way. Then I did a hard refresh that you told about during upgrade and it loaded the new public rep system. I dont know if that helps?
Which proves it was all your fault.
It's funny, but at least twice now, I've posted somewhere, saw where someone got rep, and thought, "Oh! Should I?!?"
This set-up is pressuring me! :p
Now what you need is to make who is giving rep public.
Sorry point whores, but "thanks," ":)," "I love you," doesn't warrant rep.
I have wondered about that. One of the reasons for the rep system is the way it will eventually allow us to bring special attention/rankings/whatever to the highest-ranked posts, but a lot of posts in the Quote of the Day thread, or having to do with personal events, get ranked pretty highly. All well and good, but logistically tricky when trying to bring the most informative and insightful posts to the top.
We could disable it for certain forums, such as Intermission and the Birthdays/Intros forum.
John McClane
02-03-09, 07:49 PM
Hey, where are the colored thumbs?! ;)
martian leader
02-03-09, 10:07 PM
Hey, where are the colored thumbs?! ;)
Yeah I noticed there missing on some of the posts. Its not just in this thread either. :nope:
Yeah I noticed there missing on some of the posts. Its not just in this thread either. :nope:
As mentioned earlier, the thumbs are supposed to be missing on any post you can't rate. This includes your own posts, and posts you've already rated.
Anyway, MattJohn's talking about the colored thumb images he posted earlier; he's taking a little jab at me for not using them (yet) ;).
"Floats like a butterfly... stings like a bee."
Powdered Water
02-03-09, 10:31 PM
Tell him to lodge his complaint at the front desk. Oh, and pay a $25 complaint fee.
martian leader
02-04-09, 01:11 AM
As mentioned earlier, the thumbs are supposed to be missing on any post you can't rate. This includes your own posts, and posts you've already rated.
Anyway, MattJohn's talking about the colored thumb images he posted earlier; he's taking a little jab at me for not using them (yet) ;).
Ok thanks for your help Yoda!
Sir Toose
02-04-09, 01:24 PM
I wish you'd just done it without asking. :)
This could have been a cool little experiment in groupthink. I'm wondering if seeing a positive or negative rep on a post will influence the casual observer to respond in kind.
I wonder if we'd have seen an aggregation of + or - reps over the course of time. I suppose this thread doesn't really derail the idea but it brought it more into the forefront (i.e. people may now pay more attention to it).
Anyway, completely irrelevant but interesting to me.
By the by, I'm not immune to it either.
When I see a bunch of + rep on a post I think I'm more likely to read that post in a more positive frame of mind. When I see a bunch of - rep I'm scanning for the drama that I missed before reading for content.
Harry Lime
02-04-09, 07:52 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing Sir Toose.
Didn't know whether to post this here or on the bugs thread, but i've got a post (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=500026&postcount=1) which is only displaying 1 of the reps it got.
I mention this partially coz i know you don't have enough things to do Yods ;)
(But mainly to try and trick Toose & Harry into agreeing with me :))
Hmm, odd. I'll take a look at that.
The totals on the post are static, and updated each time a rating is given to make thread loading (and other such things) more efficient, so it's possible the problem is there. I'll let know what I can find.
Sexy Celebrity
02-10-09, 04:08 PM
I think this new feature is a lot of fun.
Sorry point whores, but "thanks", ":)", "I love you", doesn't warrant rep.
I have wondered about that. One of the reasons for the rep system is the way it will eventually allow us to bring special attention/rankings/whatever to the highest-ranked posts, but a lot of posts in the Quote of the Day thread, or having to do with personal events, get ranked pretty highly. All well and good, but logistically tricky when trying to bring the most informative and insightful posts to the top.
We could disable it for certain forums, such as Intermission and the Birthdays/Intros forum.
If not entire forums, what about at least certain threads. For instance, "The Word Association Thread". I mean . . . it's a word.
Maybe we should vote, or list what threads/sections we think should go bye bye!
Aye, but some words deserve a point.
If not entire forums, what about at least certain threads. For instance, "The Word Association Thread". I mean . . . it's a word.
Maybe we should vote, or list what threads/sections we think should go bye bye!
I don't think it should be voted on.
This is a movie forum, not a popularity contest.
This isn't Facebook or MySpace or 1-800-CHAT.
If you are interested in someone socially, put the information in your profile and take it elsewhere.
Tacitus
02-28-09, 08:46 AM
If not entire forums, what about at least certain threads. For instance, "The Word Association Thread". I mean . . . it's a word.
Maybe we should vote, or list what threads/sections we think should go bye bye!
I seem to remember a certain daft Irishman suggesting something along those lines a while back. We can have 'Cinema Guru' rep for most of the site and 'Jolly Nice Person' rep for Misc threads.
Instead of two lightsaber-type things we could keep the little green stick and have maybe a custom title set ranging from 'Meanie' through 'Holds doors open for little old ladies' for the nice people of the site, depending on, of course, how nice they actually are...
Like Nadine Coyle, this one's got legs! ;D
I don't think it should be voted on.
I don't mean a vote on if it should even happen, or anything. Just on how extreme it should be. For instance, I can't see anyone truly minding the word game, and like threads getting removed.
Aye, but some words deserve a point.
. . . or most people, anyway!
1-800-CHAT.
How'd you get my number?
I seem to remember a certain daft Irishman suggesting something along those lines a while back. We can have 'Cinema Guru' rep for most of the site and 'Jolly Nice Person' rep for Misc threads.
I remember you mentioning something about this awhile back. You lost me then, too. I still don't get how to separate them. It sounds too complicated to make. I get what you mean, though. I even rep in these sections, and I will hardly deny it. If something makes me laugh out loud, I may hit it. Especially on a sh!tty day. I also rep it up when people share their mug. Why? Because I'm too paranoid to. Still though, it is handed out like mad around here, and it could at least be controlled a smidgen by eliminating certain threads. I know that the quote thread has been brought up a lot. I have repped in there, when the quote meant something to me specifically. However, I rarely ever go in there, so I don't rep very often at all, because of that.
Instead of two lightsaber-type things we could keep the little green stick and have maybe a custom title set ranging from 'Meanie' through 'Holds doors open for little old ladies' for the nice people of the site, depending on, of course, how nice they actually are...
The reason I don't see the "Holds door open" thing working, is because to me it's still a scratch scratch thing. It seems the more anyone hands them out, the more they get them back. I dunno, but when words continuously get repped in a word game, me thinks it's over-kill.
Caitlyn
02-28-09, 01:00 PM
I was thinking about the rep system earlier and have decided it has made me lazy. I tend to give people positive rep instead of taking the time to tell them I enjoyed their post or posting any type of follow-up... but I still dislike giving negative rep to anyone if I dislike their post because I'd rather tell the person on the board what I think... oh well, never mind me, I'm just rambling... :p
I enjoy seeing the amount of rep people have received and think it is a good thing. When im browsing and see some vintage post that has tickled me I can see that others found it was fun also. There was a post recently that a fellow MoFo had a neg rep for saying he thought Spiderman was his favorite Marvel comic charactor. I also received a neg for my opinion on Spiderman, so I could see he had the neg and I gave him a positive to "Make up" for it.
Didn't know whether to post this here or on the bugs thread, but i've got a post (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=500026&postcount=1) which is only displaying 1 of the reps it got.
I mention this partially coz i know you don't have enough things to do Yods ;)
(But mainly to try and trick Toose & Harry into agreeing with me :))
Just looked into this: you actually got a negative rep on that post before you got the two positive ones, so you're at +1 net.
Whew. Was worried you'd discovered a bug. ;)
Re: different types of rep. I like the end result, but it would probably be a significant amount of work, and I do worry about making the rep system too complicated. That's actually why we ditched the reputation that comes with this forum by default; I wanted something as simple and clear as possible, and the thumbs up/thumbs down, one score way of ranking user content has more or less become the norm.
Perhaps it's inevitable that rep will be used for "nice" things. And maybe that's okay, so long as posts in non-movie forums don't show up on any Post of the Day/Week/Month lists, etc. That's the way I've been leaning, at least.
Anyway, we've been talking about this stuff theoretically for awhile, but we are going to have to near some kind of conclusion, as the rep system has been used more and more over time, and we're nearly to the point where we have enough to make some of the ideas I've been tossing out there genuinely workable.
SamsoniteDelilah
02-28-09, 02:26 PM
I was thinking about the rep system earlier and have decided it has made me lazy. I tend to give people positive rep instead of taking the time to tell them I enjoyed their post or posting any type of follow-up... but I still dislike giving negative rep to anyone if I dislike their post because I'd rather tell the person on the board what I think... oh well, never mind me, I'm just rambling... :p
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!!
That has been my complaint about the system. I like it being public, as I think it means more to people when they know it's out there for all to see. It works as a visualization of forum-related phenomenon of how people interact, where if it's private it turns into just trading swipes. But the bottom line is, people come here to talk to other people, not get their ideas graded.
Tacitus
02-28-09, 04:52 PM
The reason I don't see the "Holds door open" thing working, is because to me it's still a scratch scratch thing. It seems the more anyone hands them out, the more they get them back. I dunno, but when words continuously get repped in a word game, me thinks it's over-kill.
Well, like before, I just waded in with a one size fits all solution. I gave up on the one word threads ages ago so didn't know things had got to that point. Do away with it completely in any non-movie forums then (personally I'd do away with it completely, period, but that's just me) before it degenerates into a complete e-penisathon. /proud of new word :D
I guess what this has taught us is that no system is foolproof - the old rep implementation had its flaws and this one is definitely an improvement. If it pleases all of the people some of the time than that's all we can hope for.
Harry Lime
02-28-09, 05:32 PM
Well I checked ot about 20+ pages of the word thread, because as far as I could remember I had never received a positive rep point in there or given one out. I was mistaken on giving one out though, Mikeython had posted a picture of Playboy Playmates having a pillow fight to go with his word fight (the previous word was pillow), that one definitely deserved it. And it was the only one I found with two rep points, a few scattered around had maybe one, for what reason I don't know.
About twenty rep, actually, on the last five pages of that thread.
(personally I'd do away with it completely, period, but that's just me)
I think that I recall you, or someone else saying that before.
I guess what this has taught us is that no system is foolproof.
Agreed! I do like having it. I just think eliminating a few threads may be helpful. Maybe use the same thought that went into deciding which threads were worthy of the "This just in" section. I dunno, though. I do know that if the highest repped posts start getting displayed, it may get pretty comical. For the last two days, 2 of the highest repped posts have been in the vagina thread. My chastity belt being one of them. Four out of five for the week are from the MoFo personal pictures thread. Again, I'm guilty of that one.
That has been my complaint about the system. I like it being public, as I think it means more to people when they know it's out there for all to see.
Do you mean that you like how it is now, that we can see the rep on each post, or that you wish we could see "who" gave the rep on each post?
Powdered Water
03-01-09, 12:53 AM
I don't think I like the idea of only being able to rep in certain threads or certain areas of the forum. If we're going to do that we might as well just do away with it altogether.
Just my two cents...
SamsoniteDelilah
03-01-09, 01:04 AM
I don't think I like the idea of only being able to rep in certain threads or certain areas of the forum. If we're going to do that we might as well just do with it altogether.
Just my two cents...
I'm in agreement with this. While Movie Forums have a wealth of movie info and commentary, it is possible to get that elsewhere. What works for this place, IMO, is the combo of great info and the community, which is one of the more friendly, respectful and less drama-filled on the 'net. Personally, I think repping someone for being nice is totally fair game, because the Nice Factor is what keeps me coming back.
Harry Lime
03-01-09, 01:41 AM
My recommendation would be that once you hit the 500 point bar it doesn't stop there, but can grow all the way to the other side of the post header.
I'm hardly dogging the nice factor, but where does the word thread fit in there? I think those who don't like certain rep, myself included, don't like it on other types of posts. Like the examples Loner gave.
Also, you missed this question, SamsoniteDelilah . . .
That has been my complaint about the system. I like it being public, as I think it means more to people when they know it's out there for all to see.
Do you mean that you like how it is now, that we can see the rep on each post, or that you wish we could see "who" gave the rep on each post?
In the end, I doubt it really matters. There will always be odd rep handed out. As I've said, I only noticed it/said something this time, because of what it was for.
I wasn't actually talking about removing rep from certain threads or forums, but simply not having rep from those areas count towards certain things, like a page with the day's top-ranked posts, etc.
Obviously it hurts nothing to allow people to be nice to each other in another way, but it would potentially hurt a "Post of the Day" or "Post of the Week"-style designation if those posts could be a picture of yourself, or a quote people really like. We wouldn't really be able to add potentially cool things like this unless we disqualified certain types of posts.
Rep on personal pictures is a joke.
Why not have a swimsuit contest?
Aye, but some words deserve a point.
Like obsequious.
Harry Lime
03-01-09, 02:41 AM
I think the highest rep count I ever got was from my inclusion of The Butcher in the Best Moustache thread. And the Einstein quotes, people like those.
Why not have a swimsuit contest?
The men first! ;)
Well, I did take this rep chat the wrong way. I remember way back when, when this was first mentioned, and the first section that was named was the game section. I wasn't a fan of that, because one, I thought you meant no rep at all, and two, I was spending 5-6 hours of my life, making each video clip game. Receiving thanks for those never bothered me any. Now that I know what you mean, I obviously won't care. That is if I even ever make any other games again.
Anyway, now that I do know what you mean, I can get why you only want the movie sections to be in on the rep. That makes complete sense.
I haven't got a clue what my highest repped post is.
Tacitus
03-01-09, 06:19 AM
I've actually been thinking about this!
Well, anything to put off clearing out the kitchen before its impending demolishment, you might say, but nay!
Two things came to mind (well, three, but the third is rather rude and totally unrelated to MoFo) and if they've been mentioned before I'd still like to take credit because obviously I haven't read them. :p
1. Now that rep is easier to give and seemingly easier to get, what about raising the requirements for a lightsaber to, say, 1000? It's still 500 isn't it? :blush:
2. Taking what Caity said (see, I have been reading) earlier - Why not make it a prerequisite to post a comment (to the poster in private, the same way the existing comment button works) before any rep would count? Of course, this might be impossible to code and is open to spamming but I'm sure there is some way for a mod to see what sort of messages people have been leaving if there are concerns about a particular member.
Suggestion two might very well remove and sense of fun and spontaneity from the process so my personal inclination would be to bump up lightsaber requirements and remove the ability to give rep in the entire Misc Forums section. If people feel that longstanding game threads deserve to be moved to another section, it's up to them to lobby for it. :)
I still like the idea of custom user titles though, but maybe ones decided solely on the discretion of the staff. Destiny could be The Avataratollah, etc.
OK, I've thunk for too long now. I feel unusual...
(well, three, but the third is rather rude and totally unrelated to MoFo)
Do share!
1. Now that rep is easier to give and seemingly easier to get, what about raising the requirements for a lightsaber to, say, 1000? It's still 500 isn't it? :blush:
Yes, yes it is. <~That was my first thought on this. My second thought was, the need for rep will just increase with that number.
If people feel that longstanding game threads deserve to be moved to another section, it's up to them to lobby for it. :)
If (Which I know it's not) the rep went to only movie related sections, then the only change that the game section would need, would be the "Movie Tab" threads being taken out. I still don't know why the TV tab isn't in there. Every other tab we have is.
Tacitus
03-01-09, 01:51 PM
Do share!
I'm not divulging any more than chocolate sauce and an egg whisk...
Yes, yes it is. <~That was my first thought on this. My second thought was, the need for rep will just increase with that number.
Ah, but if rep was only confines to movie related threads that might help the problem.
If (Which I know it's not) the rep went to only movie related sections, then the only change that the game section would need, would be the "Movie Tab" threads being taken out. I still don't know why the TV tab isn't in there. Every other tab we have is.
Yep, that's a pretty major one (Movie Tab, that is) but I guess because TV has its own section the TV Tab thread isn't among the other tabs. ;)
I remember we tossed the comment idea around before, but you're right, it'd be hard to enforce properly. All we could really do is program in a requirement that some text be entered. To ensure that it actually meant anything, we'd have to have a queue created that myself and the mods could go through throughout the day, and I think the system would lose an awful lot if it required mod approval (and if mods got to see every comment, too).
Totally agree about the lightsabers. You'll probably make a few enemies when we raise the minimum, but they'll get over it. :D And yeah, jumping from 500 to 1,000 makes a lot of sense to me.
'Course, we could do something really kooky and devise a simple formula; a ratio of rep to number of days registered, maybe? Might be a little complicated, but as long as the total stays a flat number, we might find ourselves just raising it every year or two.
I'm not divulging any more than chocolate sauce and an egg whisk...
You kinky little thing, you. :p
Yep, that's a pretty major one (Movie Tab, that is) but I guess because TV has its own section the TV Tab thread isn't among the other tabs. ;)
Yeah, but that was my thought. There is the General Movie section, but it went in games, so it would be seen more. This is in the TV section, a place I never really go, so I've missed making many posts.
See, it all makes sense . . .
im glad you guys are talking about this (why? i dont even know!) but im cool with whatever you come up with. though i think tatty's idea of raising the bar :p is a great one, and look, see - i dont even have a lightsaber, so i dont say that callously without thought for the rest of us plebes who are tirelessly working our way up. :D
im only commenting because i think this idea
we could do something really kooky and devise a simple formula; a ratio of rep to number of days registered, maybe?
bears some serious thinking about. i like this idea best, because it draws attention to what's important. I mean seriously. there are forums I've been on for over 8 years, and have amassed a huge number of on-point subject matter posts in that time. However, there truly are people who could have joined after me, posted as much as me, and their posts have had more relevance/significance in the shorter time frame of their joining.
heck, who are we kidding - its happened here! :D
and that should be acknowledged, you know?
EDIT: a thought just occurred to me: is it possible to have 2 rep systems? in this way you could only officially "count" the rep given on substantive movie/tv posts toward the "post of the day" ranking, and have a seperate tally for all the rest of those rep points - maybe a "nicest person" or "goodwill" rep tally. That way you could have 2 lightsaber bars - one for substantive posts, and one for goodwill posts in non-movie forums. Beacuse you are right: the two are not equal in the substantive sense, but I agree with Delilah that the two are both just as important. :yup: This way you wont have to deactivate the rep on the non-movie forums, simply count it towards another goal.
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