Plastic Boobs and such

[Sir Toose]

So what do you all think? Plastic surgery is a good thing or a no-no? Would you have it? If so, where? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Yoda]

Unless it's used to correct a mistake (unusually huge nose, or something), IE: to make you normal in some way, it's just plain old vanity.

[sadesdrk]

I've thought about it, actually. I thought," Wouldn't it be cool to have these astronomically huge boobs?!" then I thought," Nope."
I saw that real life show on MTV...and they showed these chicks that are addicted to plastic surgery...they were absolutely the stupidest females ever. Then they showed this woman and what this surgeon did to her body...it was so sad. She was maimed; and had to have several corrective surgeries, all in the name of vanity.

[spudracer]

I think it's a huge(no pun intended) mistake to do something like that just because you feel bad about how your body looks. Find someone that likes you for who you are and go on with your life. No sense screwing it up with fakeness to impress yourself. :)

[sadesdrk]

someone pass the cheese...;D

[mightymose]

I believe it was the movie BreastMen with David Schwimmer that showed some of the 'mistakes' that had occured during plastic surgery... granted many of them were from the very early days of the surgery, but it's something I wouldn't wish on anybody.

[sadesdrk]

I know. That woman on the MTV show...was so hideous. Her pictures of after the surgery, made my stomach turn...the bruises and the damage...yuck.

[thmilin]

any form of body alteration that literally messes with your bone structure - with your basic structure - that is for cosmetic reasons is totally unappealing to me. it's very false.

sure, i can understand that in this day and age a woman would feel she may be "not normal" because she doesn't have hooters a man can grip and squeeze easily, but touching on that, Chris - who's to say what's "normal?" Our tvs make out like full breasts - maybe not huge ones, but, like I said, grippable ones - are normal. In south america it's entirely common to have surgery and it's like going out and getting a new pair of shoes.

i say that's unhealthy though. the fact you have to deal with punctures and loss of sensation and hide the cuts and then, WHY you're doing it ... why, really? it's not because you'd feel more balanced or it'd improve your health or something. it's entirely superficial but the superficiality impacts a person's self esteem and that's where it's REALLY unhealthy. people start to think that the surgery is the solution to a problem when the problem has only been compounded.

i've got knockers and I'm proud of em but if I didn't, I'd be glad cuz I could run like the wind and never have to think about a sports bra. if you think of it, it HURTS to run with weight on your chest swinging to and fro! it'd allow me to do a gazillion things I can't do because I have em. figure skate. speed skate. win the olympics. ballet. etc. and I wouldn't feel slutty cuz I wore a low-neck collar; I could roam free with no bra on and not feel self conscious. grass is always greener on the other side ... that's why Ms. P Lee got her boobies slightly deflated cuz she found out it ain't all so fun with big breastseses.

i'm babbling. i'll be quiet now. :)

[Yoda]

sure, i can understand that in this day and age a woman would feel she may be "not normal" because she doesn't have hooters a man can grip and squeeze easily, but touching on that, Chris - who's to say what's "normal?" Our tvs make out like full breasts - maybe not huge ones, but, like I said, grippable ones - are normal. In south america it's entirely common to have surgery and it's like going out and getting a new pair of shoes.
Well, when I say "normal," I mean like someone born with an abnormally large nose...kids make fun of it, people can't help but stare (myself included, most likely), etc. They just want a normally sized nose. Abnormally large breasts could fall under the same blanket, IMO. Dolly Parton says she's had hers reduced, for example.

I even think breast implants of some sort can be appropriate (though rarely). Some women have what are called tubular breasts (they've got a TV show out here on this stuff, if you can believe that), that really aren't normal at all.

But yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying someone with a flat chest should get implants. Plastic surgery needs to be about correcting a basically undeniable mistake that's causing you a lot of pain, annoyance, etc...and not about vanity.

[The Silver Bullet]

The only decent plastic surgery is cutting other people's credit cards in half without their permission....

[Sexy Celebrity]

Remember in American Beauty when Jane (Thora Birch) wanted breast implants? She didn't need them!

S.C.

[sadesdrk]

I remember!
Back to that MTV show I saw, the two chicks addicted to getting plastic surgery, just blew my mind. I honestly didn't think females THAT stupid exsisted outside of reality-based, T.V. shows. They both went in for a boob job, previously. Then, this time, one girl was going in for a nose job, and the other one was getting lyposuction done on her thighs. Get this: Afterwards, they were looking at their bodies in the mirror, and they were listing the other surgeries they wanted to get done.:eek: That is shocking!

They both kinda looked like Tori Spelling, too. It was gross.

[mightymose]

Anorexic looking women are just plain nasty looking! I cannot think of any reason for any woman to want to look like Calista Flockhart... The only scrawny women I admire are 1.) my wife and 2.) Audrey Hepburn (who looks like my wife).

In fact, have you seen the new Cindy Crawford commercials? She looks 10x better now and she is a much 'bigger' (the term is relative though) girl then 10 years ago when I started collecting her posters :)

[patti]

i used to have boobs, then i had a baby and they deflated. great, my feet grew and my chest shrank.
i wouldn't pass on the perkiness of youth, but i would never want big or bigger ones again.

some women love the attention their cleavage gets, but i agree with thmilin.......it would make me feel slutty to prance around like that.

how is it women with fake ****, and wearing very skimpy tops, don't just feel like imposters? :confused:


BUT............ legs......now there's something to show off.

[The Silver Bullet]

Legs or thighs?
Or both?

There's a point where fake looks fake.
And that's STRAIGHT AWAY. Give me real. I like real. Up with real.

(Up with real, indeed....)

[thmilin]

mmmm ... chiiiicckeeeen ...

oh wait, wrong thread! :eek:

[The Silver Bullet]

What in the?!

[thmilin]

you said legs or thighs, DAMMIT MAN, what do you want from me?!!

[patti]

what the? :laugh:

somebody's hunnnnngreeeeeee.

thmilin, you are in a different mood this past couple days, no?
you rebel. what's that billy idol song?.....rebel yell? :p

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by patti

BUT............ legs......now there's something to show off. I agree.;D

[Sir Toose]

Cool lyrics:
I was born to run,
I was born to dream,
The craziest boy you ever seen,
I gotta do It my way,
Or no way at all.

My anthem.

Anyways...

Sadie, I saw those two idiots on MTV too... I think they should have opted for a lobotomy.

I don't have any hang-ups about it though, people can do what they want with their bodies. I personally wouldn't do it. After all, I don't need any :D

[thmilin]

THAT's what I supposed to post in this thread! now i remember ...

The Man Show brought on guys who'd do anything for a bet. So they brought this dude who got breast implants for a bet of a couple hundred thousand dollars. He didn't have to pay for them either. He had to keep them for a certain time period, then could get them removed but ... he didn't.

The thing is, it's not taboo to show a GUY'S **** on national tv so they didn't block them out or anything. And the two hosts of the Man Show felt him up BIG time ... played around with them ... it was ... freaky, funny ... and freaky. he said a lotta chicks dug it. which i can understand, as babies we all had a love for the dug.

anyhoo, patti, my mood ... well. i tend to have random "switch" ... i can be an extremely silly person when i'm in the mood. more easily demonstrated in real life but occasionally if i'm surrounded by silly enough people who push the right button, it can even happen online. SB is pretty good at that. ;)

[The Silver Bullet]

I has been silly and made you be silly aswell?
I has had no idea that if..um... that was the case, I dudn't.

I is sorry.
:(

[thmilin]

no you ain't! you silly june bug, you's the funniest darn sillyput ever! ain't got nuthin ta be sawry 'bout.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by thmilin
no you ain't! you silly june bug, you's the funniest darn sillyput ever! ain't got nuthin ta be sawry 'bout. Thmmie, I wanna sqeeze the spit out of you right now! You're too cool! Too cool!

[The Silver Bullet]

I is sawry! I is sawry I did ever come to this darn tooting place of hoodlums, y'all hear me clearly and loud like?!

Meanwhile.
No one ever answered.
What's more important, the legs or the thighs?
Or is it all the same package?

[Yoda]

Same package. It's the whole woman, man. I never understood this "I'm a breast man" or "I'm a leg man" stuff. Besides, if I had to pick, I'd be a SPINE MAN. ;D (old joke)

[sadesdrk]

T is a big fan of the spine...:laugh:

[The Silver Bullet]

There's a difference between legs and thigh!
It's not the same package!!

Besides. I'm asking the girls.
I'm almost worried if you had said it's all about the thighs.

I would be imagining you is fishnets, and I don't want to be imagining you in fishnets.

[sadesdrk]

I'm six feet tall. I'm ALL legs. Thigh-High nylons and knee-high boots were made for me and me only.
" These boots were made for walkin' and that's just what they'll do. One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you!"
So, I'm all for guys who are,"leg men." I know of a few.;D

I like how my sig goes nicely with various posts. I find it amusing when I snap at someone and then my sig says," Dodge this." or," I rule.":laugh:

[Yoda]

Well, the sig changes every time its loaded -- it doesn't latch any particular sig onto any particular post. SIX FEET TALL? Crap, that's intimidating. I'll probably just be six feet myself next year. That's freakishly tall.

[The Silver Bullet]

I'm 6"3 or 6"4.
I was looking at photos of me around other people last night.
Bloody hell I'm tall.

How can I get numerous Sigs?

[sadesdrk]

" She's got legs.
She knows how to use 'em"
;D;D
You can't have multiple sigs.:nope:

[The Silver Bullet]

Don't make me wish you a happy birthday, baby.

:D

[sadesdrk]

That'll just make me angry...and who wants Sades Anger all over themselves?

[The Silver Bullet]

You don't want my blood on your hands.
You'll never post in this town again.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by The Silver Bullet
You don't want my blood on your hands.
You'll never post in this town again. Uh-huh...sell me a new one pal, I own this place. I've got my finger in all the important pies.;D

[thmilin]

Thmmie, I wanna sqeeze the spit out of you right now!

well, I've ... never heard that one before. --> X <--this would be a really good spot for a new and CONFUSED (or baffled) smiley!

Oww! *spit flies*

But, anyway, sades, thank you, thank you! *bowing*

But Sades has multiple sigs, look! Sadie-Belle, Booper Scooper ... Remember, Chris, when I used to make all original ones every post? I still have the urge to do that but there's something oddly comforting in being one of those who doesn't have a sig. Or there was, until I claimed the french fry.

I'm 5'4. Chris just made fun of it today, the rat ba$tid. Ya darned tootin', he done talked to me as ifn' I'm the bane of Haysoos!

My my, my swellingly, I mean, swellegantly silver Bullet, a tall one indeed you are. HOWEVER! My family has a history of tall mens so beware! I got 6'4 and 6'7 on my pappy's side o' the tree! ya d@mned skippy. :yup: yuppin', awwhunh. An' I KNOW ye tain't sorry one goshawful bit cuz yer hide's been a'postin like a deer on the buck, so don't ya deeeeny it!

[sadesdrk]

...a deer on the buck...whoooo...!! You entertain me, thmmie..ya rawllee do.

[The Silver Bullet]

You all entertain me. I find you to be hilarious individuals.

[thmilin]

let us all clasp hands and rejoice.

kumbayaaaaa, Lord T, kuuumbayaaaaa
kuuumbayaaaa, Lord, T, kuuuumbayaaa ...

[patti]

thankyou all for yet another very entertaining catch up read ......and i was just on this morning!!

weeeez guuud. :yup:

i knew sadie was a six footer....that's why i backed down occasionally in the jello wrestlin' thread.....i'm just under 5'8"....the shortest in my family.
my 4 bro's are 6'2", 6'3", 6'4", and 6'5", and me sis is 5'11".

i'd take an inch or two more, but i'm still taller than most women, and about the same height, it seems, as a lot of men!

silverdenim boy.....uhmm, i mean, silver.......as to your thigh or leg question......
thighs can make the leg, or the whole leg can be a masterpiece!

i'd agree with sades- i'm glad there are thigh men, boob men, booty men......we all have our specialities and preferences.
:blush:
i like a mans face.......strong, weathered, .........often without hair getting in the way!
sean connery, ed harris......mmmmmmmm :love:
then sometimes beards are hot, or cool long hair, rarely blonds or redheads......

darnit.....i was all okay with brushing my dog tonight and now i'm thinking about men again. jeesh. :rolleyes:
(and on the boob thread yet!!!!)

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by patti
i'd agree with sades- i'm glad there are thigh men, boob men, booty men......we all have our specialities and preferences.
:blush:
All the booty men out there give a," Hey, Ho, Hey, Ho" Just kidding. Please don't.:laugh:

[Sexy Celebrity]

Hey, Ho, Hey, Ho.

S.C.

[sadesdrk]

Cute, S.C.
reeeeeeeeal cute.;D

[Sexy Celebrity]

Hey, I like opportunities to be cute and honest.

S.C.

[sadesdrk]

Nothing wrong with that. Fine by me.:)

[The Silver Bullet]

Flirts!

:laugh:

[sadesdrk]

I know. What had gotten into me last night? I was a maniac.:laugh:

[Sullivan]

If anyone wants another perspective on plastic surgery, read "Invisible Monsters" by Chuck Palahniuk.

Just not while you're eating.

[tiredoftraffic]

Boobs... what a nice subject to talk about. And since I'm a guy who likes to stare at them all day, I think I'll chime in :D I'll be the honest guy and say I think it looks nice when women have their chest done - for the most part. Lemme explain because it depends on the circumstances. Before I do so, I should say that if silicone, saline and whatever else they're made of nowadays were completely gone I wouldn't shed a tear. Cause I still dig chicks with the more open, laid-back style of the 80's :D

My ex of 5+ years wanted hers done, but I l*ved her and I didn't want her to do it, because I was so happy with the way she physically was. She wanted them and I came at her with every excuse I knew so that she wouldn't get 'em. For women, it just seems they want to fit and wear certain clothing that they feel they can't wear if they're not blessed enough. More options when you're a bussomed one, and you get think you're like one of your favorite actresses. I dunno, that was just me feel.

OTOH, if I don't have feelings for a girl, then it doesn't bother me as much. I still question why they do it, but hey, if they wanna look like a pornstar who am I to say no. A girl I used to see and am now friends with "upgraded" on her pre-existing boob job to something nuts. It's an instant fix to her to make her look good if she feels she's gained weight or etc. You can see she has other issues to deal with, and that's why I don't see her anymore.But I'll admit I looked :eek: Hey, I'm a guy, I'm a very visual creature with no ears to listen. Anyways, if you all want to talk more about boobs, just gimme a call :D Always good for that convo.

But it's all about the eyes....... and a sensual and intelligent voice does me over as well.

[Yoda]

Amen, man. Voice, eyes...smile, face. That's the crux of it. Anyway, for what it's worth, your post did cause me to grin at least once. :yup:

[Sullivan]

Originally posted by tiredoftraffic
Hey, I'm a guy, I'm a very visual creature with no ears to listen.

I'm a guy. I'm a very visual creature.

Just not when it comes to other people. :)

[patti]

if i were a guy i think i would mind a ton if the boobs i was fondling were fake.
they might look nice but they aren't real!!
as a woman, i don't want huge knockers......don't feel comfortable showing a lot on top.
b'sides, i stick with leg men. :yup:

and when a woman say's she is having breast reconstruction for her self- she's in denial. she's having it for everyone else. IMO

[tiredoftraffic]

Originally posted by TWTCommish
Amen, man. Voice, eyes...smile, face. That's the crux of it. Anyway, for what it's worth, your post did cause me to grin at least once. :yup:

Thanks, Commish. I aim to make people grin :D

Regarding fake boobs, Patti, you are right. I'm quite certain this fake boob thing is really only happening in LA/Socal, because when I go out to socialize they seem to be everywhere. It's like I can't escape them, lol :laugh: They're maybe some really young people in here, so I won't get into too much *cough* erotic detail.

Why do women have to overdo it though? From a midsize B to a midsize C, fine. But from an A to a DD? Okay, it sorta, kinda looks good, but if you .... *okay I can't write any further about this without the Commish's consent* suffice to say, they become too hard and very unnatural - yuck - more than you can ever imagine. So if your lady asks for them, think about it, because I'm sure a majority of guys here have been asked about this from their lady.

But, Patti, I hear all about this self-denial and the woman doesn't have true self-confidence, and blah, blah, blah, but geez, I would swear on my left one that once women do have them done (combined with some loss weight), they become the most egotistical, self-serving, condescending b*tch you'll ever meet. Call it a front, a facade, whatever you want to, but it does completely transform them. And that belief factor changes them into a whole other person, perhaps one with true confidence.

Anyways, I've ranted long enough, but remember, we are talking about boobs :D Btw, legs are indeed, very nice. Combine that with a sexy walk and it's on. Toes, I have hardly any idea why some people are so into them...
Cheers-

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by tiredoftraffic


But, Patti, I hear all about this self-denial and the woman doesn't have true self-confidence, and blah, blah, blah, but geez, I would swear on my left one that once women do have them done (combined with some loss weight), they become the most egotistical, self-serving, condescending b*tch you'll ever meet. That's sad when a pair of fake-ones, can change a woman's attitude. I mean, I know this woman, a perfectly nice woman...and she had her boobs done. She already was pretty cute, in my opinion..but she told me that her breasts were just so small, she had trouble looking nice in the clothes she wanted to wear. That's pretty sad, she has a great body, nice legs, slender, on the tall side, natural blonde...but she was unsatisfied with the way she didn't fill out a halter-top. She gets her boobs done, and PRESTO! She's happy and no one is the wiser. She went from like the smallest A, to a midsized B. Not a huge difference, but big enough for her.
I say, Amen, to that. She did it the right way.

Now the wrong way are those phoney-baloney-Barbie-Wanna-Be's, struttin' around with beach balls for Hoo-Hoos! Get a life! I hope when those chicks are old and crusty...their boobs are just as round and un-natural looking as ever! Ha! That would be so funny!:laugh:

[Yoda]

Well, that I can understand to a degree...but still. Personally I'd never like the idea if it wasn't to correct a "wrong" of some sort...and I don't thing being flat as a board really qualifies. Still, it's not as vain as most, IMO...it could definitely be a lot worse.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by TWTCommish
Well, that I can understand to a degree...but still. Personally I'd never like the idea if it wasn't to correct a "wrong" of some sort...and I don't thing being flat as a board really qualifies. Still, it's not as vain as most, IMO...it could definitely be a lot worse. Was this directed to my post?

[Yoda]

Indeedy.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by TWTCommish
Indeedy. Wha- Okay..well, I thought she had the right mind set about it. She was sick and tired of wearing padded or filled bras. I thought she made a chice with good intentions...not to be some man-killer with out-to-there knockers.

[patti]

i agree that a slight "upgrade" makes more sense in the rather senseless sphere of breast augmentation. but people can do whatever they want with their own bodies and their own cash.
i know a couple women who have had reductions because in their teen years their boobs just shot out and were so proportionately off that they caused back trouble.

so some women change post implant? interesting. they couldn't have been terribly genuine to begin with IMO :rolleyes:


to be fair, i may not really understand the motivations for massive boob jobs, but as i grow older my attitude about plastic surgery becomes more flexible. i don't have the money to speak seriously, but i DO NOT AT ALL LIKE THE WAY MY SKIN IS LOSING IT'S INTEGRITY!!!! shame on YOU skin!!! :furious:

i wouldn't say no to a brow lift provided it was subtle and free.

and the toe thing.....i don't get that either. i've heard of foot fetishes....do we have any here?

my fave feature on a man is a kinda weathered and strong face. hair not necessary. then arms.....and.....well....it's a family forum so, yeah. :modest:

[Sullivan]

Well, guys can get arm "upgrades" for free. :cool:

[mightymose]

Unfortunately I do not have the time to read through all of the pages I've missed, so please fogive me if this has already been said.

I believe it was Pats who commented on how fake boobs would be weird to touch. Well, they are. It's not nearly as much b/c you can actually feel the implant.

I just watched the Everybody Loves Ramond where he came home from vacation and Debra had stuffed her bra... fricking hilarious!

My favorite part of a woman is kind of weird really... Picture a woman laying nude on her side. The curve from stomach to hip really gets me... Very sensual and erotic.

[patti]

mightymose, that's not at all weird. that's quite a sensitive place too.
do you like the collarbone area? provided it's not emaciated. ;)

so you can actually feel the implant? what's the point of having them then if it's just for appearances?
is just LOOKING perfect that fullfilling ?

[mightymose]

Here ya go Pats... one of the most beautiful women in the world and a perfect example!

http://www.moviemofos.com/images/salma.jpg

This is a family site though so I made sure that it was a 'decent' picture... for the full effect you have to take off the swimsuit, something that won't be difficult for most of the guys ;)

[Yoda]

I know the area you mean, Mose. Definitely appealing. :)

[The Silver Bullet]

Especially on her....

:love:

[patti]

anywoman, lying on her side, will have a nice dip there.....but take someone with serious hips like jennifer lopez and you guys would probably do a flip standing in place. :p

and salma is indeed a beauty.

;)

[sadesdrk]

Why must every thread wander off to beautiful women! Keep it to it's rightful place! I'm feeling threatned!;D

[Sir Toose]

Plastic is so very physical... I'm too old to get turned on by the physical only.

[sadesdrk]

*sigh* Yes...35 is ancient. You might as well begin your search for the perfect plot of land to be buried in.;D

[patti]

no, plastic is plastic......embedded in the physical.

....but i know what you mean. :)

[Sir Toose]

Damn thread pulling, nitpicking birds! Pick!Pick!Pick! :laugh:

[tiredoftraffic]

Okay guys, hmmmm.... did some thinking about boobs just now :rolleyes: But seriously, when you think about it, if you get them done, you get them done. I mean, at first I got what Sades and Patti were saying about not going overboard - and I agreed with it myself - but if you got them done that's the fact. You weren't happy with your body, with what you were given, and you went under the knife. I'm not sure it really makes much difference given the context when I think about it.

And I'll take the heat by saying that I know some, maybe even a lot of guys, say that I don't like boobs when they get this big, or when women show too much it's classless, and yada yada, but the truth is, and I'll put my left one on it again :), is 99.9% of men, regardless of who they are, will drop a stare, ogle, or glance at the woman in the mall with the D's, walking provacatively with her fish net for a top. Am I right?

Now some will say they dropped a glance out of curiosity or because of shock value, but I don't buy that. I just think it's human now with all the programming we get from all the various media sources. Of course I'm not saying anyone here,especially here (as I get a feel for everyone) would marry any said type of person, but ya get the point. Now look what ya'll did? Made me go off on the boobs again :D Saw a nice set earlier today and thought about this thread - thanks guys :licklips: Hahah - kiddin'

[sadesdrk]

Oh My. Where to even start.


Hmmm...how's about with women not being happy with their bodies. That's because of the pressure put on us to have the perfect bodies. Do you think that if this planet were entirely made up of women, we'd be mocking the flat-chested girls?! Hell no! They'd probably be the leaders because they could run faster and painlessly!:laugh:

It does not go un-noticed when you men drop your jaws over the big breasted women (shame on you TiredHead), we see you; and you look like idiots.

The really sad thing is that, the chick could be a total snatch, just lookin' all whored up, and she'll still draw the looks. Now, none of you boys would want to date her, I mean...what guy would want a woman like that hanging off their arm? No guy wants to be disrespected by touting a broad that either every guy has drove around in; or every guy wants too.

So why are you starring at her?
Seriously...I'm just curious.

[BrodieMan]

we don't even know why we stare. :( sorry. i feel dumb now.

my two cents:

i think it's such a shame that women feel the need to have plasic surgery done at all. there is a lot of talk about all the pressure the media and society in general puts on girls to look perfect, and it's all true, i think. did anyone see the recent USA today with the headline "Sexual revolution hits jr. high"? it made me sick.

starting from a very young and impressionable age, girls are taught to be completely comfortable with their bodies. everyone is so PC and proud of themselves that people have forgotten what a blessing a nice small amount of shame is. girls dress like whores, and although it's nice to look at, it depresses me for some reason. i think the breast implant thing is just an extension of that.

girls have so many qualities that are better than boobs anyway. girls are smart and cute and do things that drive us crazy that have nothing to do with their chest. britney-mania and christina aguilera's thousand dollar prostitue makeup don't do as much for me as a girl smiling or winking or saying something that makes me laugh. i have no idea why there is so much pressure to be the skinniest, biggest breasted, flirtiest whatever.

[Yoda]

I agree; people have taken sexual repression to the extreme opposite, so that it's "normal" and "healthy" to do whatever you want, so long as it feels good. A little chastity and self-control (and yes, even shame, when it's in order) never hurt anyone.

[BrodieMan]

i don't mean total repression or anything. i would never be attracted physically or otherwise to someone who is a total puritan. i just mean that young girls should have the good common sense to say "since i'm only 13, maybe i shouldn't worry about showing my boobs off and wearing a mini-mini skirt." just my opinion.

that applies to women of all ages, really. god, if women could only see how much respect and adoration they earn by being true to themselves and not stereotypes, i think they might have a differing perspective. there is so much about women to appreciate and completely fall in love with. :love:

and guys should be more expressive, i think. sometimes we have trouble communicating. we don't really tell our girlfriends, wives, moms, and important friends how special they really are to us. women have to worry about getting their husbands and fiancess to notice them. notice them? that's such a shame. there are women in our lives that think they need to traipse around like floozies.

[tiredoftraffic]

Originally posted by sadesdrk
Oh My. Where to even start.


Hmmm...how's about with women not being happy with their bodies. That's because of the pressure put on us to have the perfect bodies. Do you think that if this planet were entirely made up of women, we'd be mocking the flat-chested girls?! Hell no! They'd probably be the leaders because they could run faster and painlessly!:laugh:

It does not go un-noticed when you men drop your jaws over the big breasted women (shame on you TiredHead), we see you; and you look like idiots.

The really sad thing is that, the chick could be a total snatch, just lookin' all whored up, and she'll still draw the looks. Now, none of you boys would want to date her, I mean...what guy would want a woman like that hanging off their arm? No guy wants to be disrespected by touting a broad that either every guy has drove around in; or every guy wants too.

So why are you starring at her?
Seriously...I'm just curious.

So now I'm "TiredHead" now, huh? And all this over me speaking my mind truthfully :D Anyways, guys, as you've probably figured out since you were born, are ego-maniacs, so having an arm trophy does wonders. Hate to say it, but it's the truth. A lot of the times, even the guys who seem sensitive and caring would take the offer if given the chance. I've seen some of my friends who were not historically "ladies men," strike it rich monetarily and then later on get the "trophy." And I must say, there sure is a glow about them when they get the trophy.

Toose, I think, said something about "i'm too old to get....over the physical." I saw a couple of really old guys gawking over some young meat (using this word for effect-no harm no foul :) the other day. One guy, who seemed to be in his late 60's, blatantly stared at a young 20-something while he pretended to read his book. This was at a Barnes & nobles, so it was kinda of odd to see.

But I got something for you Sades, which kinda boggles me.... you mention about women having the pressure to look good and etc., but when I go to the gym, I swear it's about 75% guys pumping weights, going through pain to build mass and muscle. Most of the women just walk or jog the treadmill, maybe some aerobics. I've been to about 6 different gym locations within the last couple of months, and I finally began to really take notice. ANyways, pumping weights is not too fun in my eyes, so something's wrong with this picture. It would appear men take more care with their appearance than women, or it's is equal. There are so many guys that pluck their brows, take 2 hours to get ready to go out and yada yada, that I just wonder.

I have my take on women but I'll save it.......

[BrodieMan]

to read your post, one would draw the conclusion that all guys are completely obsessed with sex. that's close to the truth, but not all of us are consumed by it. at least not to the point that i would want my girlfriend or anyone else i was close to getting dangerous surgery for the sake of their appearance. i don't think it's healthy for society, either.

[tiredoftraffic]

Originally posted by BrodieMan
to read your post, one would draw the conclusion that all guys are completely obsessed with sex. that's close to the truth, but not all of us are consumed by it. at least not to the point that i would want my girlfriend or anyone else i was close to getting dangerous surgery for the sake of their appearance. i don't think it's healthy for society, either.


I got what you're saying Brodieman. Let me elaborate (I would've the last coupla times, but you can see that this topic can get quite exhaustive, taking up more bandwidth than you can imagine). Not all men have the libidio of a neanderthal, but what I'm talking about is not just about sex-drive b/c there's more to it. Every man at one point or another wanted to be with, say, a Marilyn Monroe, Pamela Anderson, Liz Taylor, or _insert your favorite woman here - and it had less to do with sex than the experience of being with that somebody. For some, walking around the mall with a hottie in their arm, while every other guys drops his jaw and fantasizes, is a dream -something they've always wanted to experience just once.

True, the girl could be a flooze, but the fact you're getting the attention and the fact (and I'm throwing this percentage out) that 70-80% of the guys looking wanna be in your shoes is enough to satiate that fantasy. Of course this is all juvenile in theory, but hey, we're all human. As for surgery, I'm with you, and I've talked about it here somewhere, so I won't go into it again.

[BrodieMan]

i see what you're saying. every guy wants a hot girlfriend. but at what price? showing off your sexuality in an inappropriate way has become a national pass-time and satisfying jr. high fantasies of being the coolest with the sexiest girl on your arm isn't quite worth living in a society devoid of human dignity. but, yeah, we all got needs.

just for the record, i don't have a lot of respect for marilyn monroe, pamela anderson, or any typical "sex symbol". my "favorite woman" is someone a lot more important to me personally that whoever has the biggest boobs in hollywood.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by tiredoftraffic


So now I'm "TiredHead" now, huh? I have my take on women but I'll save it....... That's what I got from your post. The answer is,"yes. You are." and," No. You won't." :D

[BrodieMan]

tired does make the point that most guys deep down inside do want a hottie on their arm at all times, but that's such a childish impulse to act upon. real life doesn't work like that, and there's a problem with society thinking like that anyway.

i've said my piece. i'm sleepy.......

[sadesdrk]

I don't think that's what TiredHead was saying, although...he should be open for some clarification. ;D

[tiredoftraffic]

What's going on over here???

But I've agreed with you BrodieMan, but you know what? It goes both ways obviously -women love status toys as well. Sometimes I honestly think women are a lot worse than men when it comes to these issues, but I'll leave it at that.

Anyways, I think there are three hot ladies that live down the hallway from me.... time for me to go borrow some brown sugar :D

...this post is obviously too contradicting, so don't make anything of it :laugh:

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by tiredoftraffic
What's going on over here???


Anyways, I think there are three hot ladies that live down the hallway from me.... time for me to go borrow some brown sugar :D

:rolleyes:

[patti]

tiredoftraffic- so did that brown sugar have any perky packets of saline in it? :p

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by patti
tiredoftraffic- so did that brown sugar have any perky packets of saline in it? :p :rotfl:

Good one. :cool:

[BrodieMan]

lol...... tiredoftraffic's always good for a laugh. :D

[Yoda]

We all desire "status toys" to a degree. But I think most of us know better. We know it's a the equivalent of choosing a Chicken McNugget over roast turkey. Anyone who actually goes as far as to get one has, or at the time had, an insecurity.

[BrodieMan]

i think insecurity is really a big factor in this whole debate. women aren't secure enough to be proud of their a-cups and men are afraid of what their buddies will say if the girl they're dating isn't "hot" enough. the whole think is so completely ass-backwards. i think there are people who should get their priorities in line before they get their ya-yas inflated like a friggin goodyear tire.

[Yoda]

Dead right. I've gotten into arguments with some guys near my age, where they've made it incredibly clear that they regard some ex-girlfriend of theirs as a trophy...as one of the steps they used to climb up the local high school's status ladder. I forget his exact words, but the blatancy of it had my jaw on the floor.

This is not to say I can't relate to the desire. I can. I cannot, however, relate to actually going ahead with it, and getting together with someone you regard as a badge. I think a big part of this comes from the fact that a lot of people don't stop and think about what it is they're doing. I think, if they stopped and thought, and realized that their primary interest in this person was to make themselves look better, they'd back off. Call me naive, but I think most people wouldn't like that idea...

...however, I doubt they even realize that's what's going on in the first place. This is going to come off as arrogant, so I apologize in advance: most people my age never cease to amaze me when it comes to lack of analytical thought. They don't bother to think about how doing this means that, or thinking that means this. They just think this or do that, and that's the end of it.

I've got some examples, but I'm pretty tired, and I'm getting off-topic. :)

[BrodieMan]

dont feel like you're bragging.... more people your age should have the maturity to understand the value of meaningful relationships.

i know what you mean, though. i never had that "high school guy" mentally that usually involved the total objectification of girls. i wanted them.... badly..... but i could never bring myself to look at my girlfriend as a "thing". that would just kill me inside to see guys do that.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by BrodieMan
dont feel like you're bragging.... more people your age should have the maturity to understand the value of meaningful relationships.

Anyone of any age could fail to grasp the concept of meaningful relationships. My boss is almost 50, and he still treats his wife like an object. It's horrid.

[patti]

any man i might have on my arm would be there because of the person he is. looks might be the first thing you "see", but if a great looking guy isn't the type of person you would like based on personality - the looks aren't gonna take you far. also, if he can't kiss.......what good is he?

:p

[BrodieMan]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! :D :D :D :D :D

[patti]

:blush: * insert take-a-bow smiley here* thanks again brodie......i suspect you've gone around posting in a few threads with your nice wishes....thanks man. :D

[BrodieMan]

you're quite welcome. :D i hope you have an awesome day.

[tiredoftraffic]

Originally posted by sadesdrk
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: And why are you rolling your eyes at me? It's just brown sugar - get your head out of the gutter. You see, I figure with three women living together that they would have brown sugar since it goes so well with desserts; and when a group of three women....ahhh never mind, I don't think I can really explain this mess. The point is, I tried :laugh:

Patti - couldn't tell about the saline - funny. They walked by when my back was turned in my place; they couldn't see me and I couldn't really see them. My brother alerted me, and when I looked all i saw was their backs. And Happy Birthday, Patti. Just copying BrodieMan :D

And I agree with the lack of analytical thought from guys/people. But aren't most of us all hypocritical? I hear the same guys say, "I'd be happy with a down to earth girl...." or a girl say,"I'd be happy with a non-cheating, stable guy...." only to do the opposite? *scratches head* Doesn't this same guy, who you've probably known your whole life say this and then gawk and flirt with the supermodel wanna-be at coffee shop?

[BrodieMan]

*scratches chin* hm.... interesting.... did i mention tomorrow is PATTI'S BIRTHDAY!!!!

we're gonna party like it's 2099! :D :D :D

[Sexy Celebrity]

Oh no. Didn't she say before that she's several thousand years old? I jokingly referred to her as an Anne Rice vampire.

Happy Birthday, Patti!

[patti]

Originally posted by tiredoftraffic
But aren't most of us all hypocritical? I hear the same guys say, "I'd be happy with a down to earth girl...." or a girl say,"I'd be happy with a non-cheating, stable guy...." only to do the opposite? *scratches head* Doesn't this same guy, who you've probably known your whole life say this and then gawk and flirt with the supermodel wanna-be at coffee shop?

we are probably all hypocritical.....some more so than others. it's really nasty when someone denies being at all hypocritical gets all self-rightous and judges everybody else as hypocrites. bleck!!
but i know what you're saying tiredoftraffic.
lot's of women talk about a "nice, honest, trustworthy man" - yet only get turned on by badboys.

and everyone should be free to look at other women/men....and even flirt a little. i think that's healthy. actually making a move for that supermodel and having an affair would make it hypocritical......or just plain wrong. but there's plenty of that around.
anyway....just posting thoughts.....not making any sort of speech. :p

[joe pokono]

Speaking of packets, is anyone else having trouble using those new bio-degradable paper condoms?tiredoftraffic- so did that brown sugar have any perky packets of saline in it?

[Yoda]

Well, personally I'd never say that "all I want is a down to earth girl." That's a lie. I'd love to be with someone pretty. Maybe you think that makes me shallow...but at least I'm honest about it. :) There's more to love than looks, but they play an undeniably significant factor. And Patti's right: I can't count how many times I've heard a girl/woman say she wants someone stable, reliable, whatever, only to go bounding after the first biker she sees.

So, let's all be honest: we ALL want someone good looking. Period. I'll be shocked if there's even one exception here. I don't take shame in saying so...because I'm not saying I have no interest in anyone who doesn't catch my eye instantly...but a lot of people are afraid of being labeled that way, so, I think, they go to the other extreme.

[patti]

yes chris.....but what you're forgetting is that when you meet someone who you really dig....they just become more and more attractive.......to the point sometimes of being the most beautiful person you've ever seen. :love:

it's true! :yup: i once fell for a guy..... a truly beautiful soul. i had seen him watching me for a while but i always chose to not engage him. then one day i talked to him. within a short time he became my best friend.....and i couldn't look at him without seeing a halo of light around him. he was and is just amazingly beautiful, inside and out.
i'm NOT kidding. he just mesmerized me. yet before i found out who he was as a person, i didn't find him the least bit attractive. (in fact, i thought he looked like a leprachaun.) :laugh:

[Sir Toose]

Originally posted by TWTCommish
So, let's all be honest: we ALL want someone good looking. Period. I'll be shocked if there's even one exception here. I don't take shame in saying so...because I'm not saying I have no interest in anyone who doesn't catch my eye instantly...but a lot of people are afraid of being labeled that way, so, I think, they go to the other extreme.

Yeah... but keeping personal tastes in mind I'm sure there is someone for everyone. We all see "beauty" in different ways. This is one place where I will tell you (do I dare?) that age plays a factor. I'm not saying it does for you, specifically, but the younger one is the more one tends to focus on outer beauty. I know, I've been there. The older you get the less it matters.

[Yoda]

I DO know what you mean, Patti. Indeed. :) I've had that happen with more than one person, to the point at which I just can't bring myself to care anymore (about their appearance, that is).

I was speaking on a more superficial level...we're all initially attracted to beautiful people. We always will be. I don't take any shame in that...and I don't take any shame in wanting to pursue an attractive person...but I wholeheartedly agree that it's an incredibly different ballgame when you get to know them.

I know an exceedingly beautiful girl who, at this point, I have no real attraction to anymore. Mentally, I cannot connect with her at all, and even strongly dislike some of the things about her and the way she handles herself. She'll always be beautiful to me, but I don't have any real interest in pursuing anything with her...and I doubt I ever will. So I can absolutely, positively relate. Mental attraction is immeasurably important.

[patti]

yeah, but i'm saying that these certain people become attractive......they look better than everyone. not just because you like the person inside. ........you see them through a veil of love....they really BECOME beautiful....physically!

but i hadn't thought about the stunning people who still look great even when you don't particularly like who they are inside.
that's too bad.....that they have a kind of power over people. ......ya' can't help looking at them. ah well. so look . but remember what they are like. you can't be missing much.

...... or just get their picture and put it on your wall..it might have more depth. :laugh: :)