Sub-Forum Nominations

[Yoda]

Alright, nominate your favorites for potential sub-forums. Here's one candidate we've discussed: an Indie Film Reviews, to be nested within the Movie Reviews forum. I'm also pondering a Best and Worst forum inside the General Movie Discussion forum, seeing as how we have a lot of threads like that. I think I'd rather leave that forum alone, though, as it does quite well on it's own. What's everyone think? Any yays, nays, or new ideas?

[spudracer]

an Oldies but Goodies forum in the Movie Reviews section. :D

[mecurdius]

maybe a movie tab forum inside the games tabs and lists

[spudracer]

Could you please explain that one

[mecurdius]

I was just saying... because the thread is big... and so many different conversations go on there... nevermind its a stupid idea.

[mecurdius]

alright how's this one, a forum about the movies that members have made, or are making, and all various things assciated with them.

[spudracer]

That wouldn't really work as there is a total of 1 members here that are in the moviemaking business right now.

One I had an idea for is a MoFo Members Suggest forum. This one would be closed however. The more noteable members can post movies they like and give their likes and dislikes about the movies and whatnot. :D

I think it's possible. I'm not too sure with vB if members can reply to a closed thread. I know that Chris, Peter, and I can. :)

[Holden Pike]

And the reasons for already having six forums but now adding various other forums within each is what exactly?
:confused:

And who in the Hell is going to determine what makes an "independent" movie anyway? Well, mainly Spud I see. Just about every single day members post topics in the "wrong" forum that have to be moved, now you want to exponentially increase that practice?

I understand from your perspective and Commish's it's fun to play with all the gadgets available for this board, but to users it's very quickly going to become ridiculous, tedious and much too busy.

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."

- Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum), Jurassic Park (1993)

[spudracer]

My main goal is to make it simpler to find what you're looking for. There are boards much larger than this one(I can think of one if you want an example) that have many many many forums within forums and users will still place something in the wrong spot or something, nothing is idiot proof.

True, there is that handy dandy Search option, but there's also the fact that there are many pages upon pages of threads that can be broken up and easier to lok through without having to go search.

Why am I explaining myself to you Holden? Your opinion to me is worth about as much as a polished rock.

[Holden Pike]

Right, this will make it much easier to find what I'm looking for.

So if I get back from seeing a new release, say In the Bedroom for example, I can already check to see if there's a thread going in Movie Reviews, General, or maybe even a recent one in the Upcoming forum. But now I'll also be able to hunt through various new sub-forums within each of those! Is it going to be deemed an Independent? Hmmmm, maybe. It was distributed by Miramax, that's a brand-name for Indie ain't it? But then Miramax also distributed 40 Days and 40 Nights, and The English Patient, and Shakespeare in Love, and Halloween: H20, so are they all "Independent" movies too? Well, if Spud feels they are, I'm sure he'll be a helper and move them to the "appropriate" forum/sub-forum.

And how many other of these sub-categories will there be to search through after you get started with this project? Five? Ten? Thirty?


If people aren't utilizing the SEARCH function (and on every board I've ever been a regular on, the majority of users don't), instead of educating them on how to use that, let's just add a bunch of sub-forums for them to have to look through manually!

Thanks for explaining, it makes perfect sense now. :rolleyes:

[Yoda]

Alright, listen up:

I honestly value people's opinions here. Yours included. However, I've got a disturbing amount of experience with online communities, and I know what I'm doing for the most part. I've served as an advisor of sorts for a forum much larger than this one, and they've made use of sub-forums to great effect. Yes, complaints about specific sub-forums may be valid, but the idea that sub-forums altogether are a bad idea holds no water.

And the reasons for already having six forums but now adding various other forums within each is what exactly?
We have nine forums...though I imagine you're not counting the non-movie related ones. The point of adding some within each is that you don't want a giant frickin' forum home page, but you want to be more specific on certain forum levels. It makes perfect sense and has been used to great effect elsewhere. This site is no exception. Now, I try to avoid them when I can, but at times they're quite useful.

I understand from your perspective and Commish's it's fun to play with all the gadgets available for this board, but to users it's very quickly going to become ridiculous, tedious and much too busy.
Condescending, as usual...but not accurate. I own two vBulletin licenses, and I bought my first over a year and a half ago. I've hacked the code more times than I care to remember...so any claim that I'm somehow just playing around or having fun with the "gadgets" of the script is nothing more than completely unfounded. I've "played" with virtually all of these "gadgets" already.

And how many other of these sub-categories will there be to search through after you get started with this project? Five? Ten? Thirty?
Thus far, unless I've lost count already, we've added one forum -- and it wasn't to one of the movie-related forums. This is a thread to talk about such things, and already you're preaching about the end of the world. Chill out. These are basic discussions to possibly add one or two, or maybe none, to the one we already have.

[Holden Pike]

I don't know. I printed out a copy of my response, then made it into a cone, then poured water inside of it, and I can tell you it does indeed hold water.

Now watch me pull a rabbit out of it!

*ROAR*

Wrong cone.

[Yoda]

:)

Anyway, my point stands. Sorry if you hate the entire idea of them. If it's any consolation, I don't plan to add many -- not anytime soon (I can't rule it out, naturally, down the line). At MOST, we're looking at one or two more, if any.

[sadesdrk]

Holden, you are so weird. Honestly.

Anyhoo...I think you two have done a swell job with the place. I like the gradual upgrades and additions. However, I'm nervous about ading too, too much at one time...I don't think I could live through another BIG overhaul.

[Yoda]

No need to worry. No big overhaul is planned. I'm very happy with the design and basic feel. I see a lot of tweaks coming, but that's it. If anything, the way the content is displayed may need an overhaul, but you can count on the forums operating pretty much in the same manner as they have over the last few months. I've been an newbie, regular, a moderator, an admin...so I know what it's like...I won't give you cause to hate this place. :)

[sadesdrk]

*whew*
Oh good. I'm just a little Sadie Belle...I don't like to worry my little head none.;D

[Holden Pike]

Sorry if my "hating" the idea of them somehow frustrates you two guys or is weird to Sades ("Psst, hey Pot - you're black!").

Just for giggles so I can see how this idea will work in practice, can Spudsie list which of the current threads in the Movie Reviews forum (go back over the last thirty day's worth) would be included in an Independent Films sub-forum?

From my thinking, if it's less than three of those or more than twenty, why bother making a sub-forum in the first place? Either we don't discuss Indies regularly, or we discuss them so regularly they make up a large chunk of our threads. Either way, why segregate them?

I'm using Independent Films as an example because it was mentioned as a possible, but my attitude would be the same for any such sub-division.


But do what you want, of course. I was voicing my opinion (which Commish pays lip-service to valuing, while Spuds says is roughly equivalent to a polished rock in his mind - though diamonds are techinally polished rocks, so...).

[spudracer]

Why not use my Oldies but Goodies forum as an example???

I only through Independent films up because I knew that you and a few other MoFo's viewed them on a somewhat regular basis (WOW...not thinking about myself)

[Yoda]

It doesn't frustrate me...dunno where you got that idea. I certainly felt the need to correct some of what you said, though. I'm sorry that you don't like the idea of sub-forums, but I'm convinced that they can be very useful. The only thing I have to consider is how to use them, and if to use them at all at this point.

I'll tell ya' what: I can't speak for Spud, or Sades, but I imagine they'd both pay more heed to your opinion if you gave it without insulting them, showering them with sarcasm, or simply diving right in with an argumentative tone.

Let's keep this constructive and, if at all possible (doesn't seem likely), friendly.

[sadesdrk]

Originally posted by Holden Pike
Sorry if my "hating" the idea of them somehow frustrates you two guys or is weird to Sades ("Psst, hey Pot - you're black!").

I LOVE IT! Holden, you are soooooooooo cool; weird, though. Only because of that magic trick...they are playing your song Looney Tunes! :p :laugh:

[mightymose]

Not sure if this would fly or not T, but what about a horror board? I haven't heard many of the other regular's talk about horror flicks very often so I'm not sure if the interest is there... but it would make my life easier b/c I wouldn't have to head over to a different forum to talk about the good stuff :)

Maybe when we get some ideas generated make a poll about it to see what people would be interested in... I think you did something like that before you redesigned the site, though I can't be sure...


Just a though :)

[mecurdius]

maybe if we only have like one subforum for every forum, limitation is the only comprimise here, and i think that would make everything a lot less complicated but if we go crazy with this it wont work.

I think birthdays and introductions is specific enough to work. Independent films, on the other hand, is not.

I think holden's quoting of Jurassic Park got me, but these subforums are a good idea.

[spudracer]

Holden will use anything as an example just to make it seem like he knows what he's talking about.

Trust me, adding one or two sub-forums isn't the end of the world, it's not even that bad. Like I said there is another forum I know of that has at least 20 sub-forums within all their regular forums.

ONCE AGAIN...THESE ARE ONLY SUGGESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sir Toose]

Originally posted by TWTCommish
Alright, listen up:

I've got a disturbing amount of experience with online communities


>>>:eek: <<<



:D :laugh: :D

You have a way with words.

[Yoda]

:laugh: Thanks.

Yes, 'zactly. All ye with doubt still in your hearts can take a look at SitePointForums.com (http://www.sitepointforums.com); it's a good example of how sub-forums can be used effectively. We're not in the same position as they are -- but we may be eventually.

In short: caaaaaaalmn doooooown. I've put far too much into this already to potentially mess it up.