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We talked about it during the offseason, and a lot of people expressed interest. I've played fantasy baseball for years, and I've found there are only two things that can make it genuinely interesting and fun: a) an actual entry fee, to ensure that people are at least somewhat invested in giving it their best, and/or b) playing with people you know outside of the league somehow.
I've never actually played fantasy football, but it seems like great fun. So, how about we make it official? If we can get enough people to sign up, let's a MoFo Fantasy Football league.
I would like to humbly suggest Yahoo! Fantasy Football (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/). They've been doing it for awhile, seem to have a decent system in place, and they have a free option we can use. I'm open to suggestions, though, and will hold off on starting an actual league until we've heard everyone out on whether or not it's an acceptable venue.
First games are in about 2 months, so I'm admittedly putting this out there a little early, but I don't want us to slap things together and come up short at the last minute.
So, who's in? :)
UPDATE: Draft is tentatively set for Saturday, August 30th at 4:00 PM EDT.
EDIT: I'd like to keep track of the responses here, so we can get a feel for how it's shaping up:
ANOTHER EDIT: I'm noting which users have confirmed their involvement and created their team's on league page.
I CAN'T STOP EDITING: I've updated the list with team names.
The Owners (Teams)
Ridonkculous (The Sharks)
Yoda (11 Angry Men)
Sedai (The Replicants)
Mrs. Darcy (Darcy's Destroyers)
Slug (Slug's Bubblebutts)
TheUsualSuspect (The Face Huggers)
Powdered Water (PW's Odd Squad)
Piledriver (Beantown Champs)
BobbyB (Tupac Resurrection)
Swedish Chef (The Flying Mongooses)
TONGO (TONGO)
Adam (Boondock Skins)...friend of mine; not a member
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
07-01-08, 03:10 PM
I'd be interested. I can pick Dan Marino (http://lacesout.ytmnd.com/), right?
"Laces out!"
"Isotoners."
I am in for sure. I am already a Yahoo FF player, so I am familiar with the systems etc.
That said, it is up to the league manager to set the point system up and decide what team config to use (ie 3 wide outs and no swing slot, or 2 wides, 3 back, 1 swing etc). I have not done this.
Mrs. Darcy
07-01-08, 05:15 PM
I'm in, and Slug is, too. We've yahoo-ed on our other forum, and have great fun watching our teams never really get off the ground and do anything of point value!
Two more MoFos for the list.
TheUsualSuspect
07-01-08, 05:27 PM
I'm in.
My team was in the Super Bowl last year, but Favre got hurt that week and my QB slot made me lose!
My backup threw for like 315 yards and 4 TDs that day too....
OOPS
Also, Piledriver is a huge Fantasy League guy, so he will probably want in... I'll give him a buzz tonight.
Awesome. :) That's five, six if you count Piledriver. Let us know what he says, Mike.
I've never played fantasy football, so for those of you that have: what's a reasonable number of teams? In fantasy baseball, I tend to prefer a relatively large number so that there's a degree of scarcity. I'd rather have people digging for players than everyone with a totally stacked lineup...so what's good? 12? 16?
Mrs. Darcy
07-01-08, 05:42 PM
We usually do 12.
Swedish Chef
07-01-08, 05:46 PM
Oh, I am down like a clown. And I think 16 teams is cool because that way, yeah, no teams are loaded with pro bowlers and everybody plays everybody once during the season. Assuming you're choosing to go with the "Head-to-Head" scoring route. Which is definitely the way to go, btw.
Yeah, I would lean towards more for the reasons I outlined above. Good point about playing everyone once, too.
I guess the number of people interested should probably dictate the number of teams, within reason. I mean, if we only have 12, then 12 it is. And if we have 16, I'd hate to turn people away.
Shall we say, minimum 12, maximum 16, first come first serve?
And yeah, was definitely thinking head-to-head would be best.
What's nice is, if you're not sure about who to pick, the computer can select players for you when it's your turn to choose.
There is a set day and time to pick your players.
I let the computer pick for me.
You also can make a priority list for the players.
Plus you get to pick a team that will be your defense for the season.
It's fun.
http://www.freefever.com/animatedgifs/sports/animated/football14.gif
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
07-02-08, 11:07 PM
If I've got the time I'd be more than willing. I'll be able to find out hopefully by the end of this week.
DAN MARINO!
The Gnat
07-03-08, 01:12 AM
I'm down like a clown.
Basically I'll have 10-15 leagues I'm in anyways, so what is another, and like Yoda said, when you have some knowledge of who your up against, besides the team name for the league, it is sweet.
I have no real suggestions as to how the league should be run, I've done IDP before, but I prefer team defenses (but I can do either) and I've done basically any derivation of scoring (including some really odd ones I set up myself), but I generally like a pretty standard scoring, PPR or no PPR is fine me with (PPR for those of you who don't know means point per reception (this doesn't generally mean one whole point per reception, but instead some partial point, like a third or half)).
Powdered Water
07-09-08, 08:34 PM
I'd love to give it a shot, I'm a complete noob though so I would most likely be terrible. I can't usually turn the channel fast enough when people start talking fantasy football on my sports station I always listen to. Not that anyone cares I just say that to illustrate that I have no real clue how to play. So, if someone is willing to show me the ropes I'd be more than happy to give it a try. I certainly watch enough of it... does that count for anything? :D Go ahead and add me and if I get to intimidated I can always jump ship and screw everything up. :) (I keed, I keed.)
And with that very, very tentative declaration (:D), we're up to 8 people. Great start, given that we're still almost two months away from the start of the season.
I figure we'll still need at least 4 more owners, though, for a decent league.
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
07-09-08, 09:02 PM
Hey dudes, I wont be able to participate, but I will give you some of the goodness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzww1btuHng
Piledriver is in. Said he will try to stop by later and hop in the thread to confirm.
My friend Adam, who isn't a member here, says he's in. Assuming Piledriver's in, that gives us 10. Whaddya say guys; 2 more and we're good, yes? Maybe one or two guys who are interested, too, just in case someone drops out at the last minute...
I'll do it, but how do you play? ;)
TheUsualSuspect
08-04-08, 06:58 PM
So Lennon is going to lose.
Don't worry, Yods explained it to me, I think I know what I am doing now,
Alright, we'll mark ya' down, Lennon. Just don't trade with anyone until you've gotten comfortable with it all. ;)
We've got 11; we need 1 more, people, for a draft at the end of the month. Ideally, 2 or 3 more, in case one of the 11 confirmed so far have to back out at the last minute. What say you, MoFos? Who's game?
Draft date is tentatively set for Saturday, August 30th at 4:00 PM EST. I figured the middle of a Saturday would be the least likely time to conflict with anyone's schedule. Is this cool with everyone?
Also, was hoping everyone who's agreed to play could reply again to confirm that they're still in, now that we're approaching the start of the season.
And, of course, there's still ONE more slot. :) Any takers?
It's cool with me, but, I may just let it auto-draft if I haven't repaired my PC by then. I need to order a hard drive and get the thing going, but, I need a little extra cash for that...
Powdered Water
08-19-08, 04:12 PM
Sounds good to me. I assume you are going to be putting up some sort of linkage so I can figure some of this out? I still know virtually nothing about how to do this. We are going to be doing this off site right? Or are you going to somehow link this to MoFo?
Check out the Yahoo Fantasy Football section for some info, PW. Last Year was my first year doing this, and, I made a ton of errors early, but still made it to the super bowl, which I lost.
Lots of fun. You will pick it all up super fast, I am sure!
Powdered Water
08-19-08, 06:00 PM
Thanks, I will. Is that what we're going to be using then? Yahoo?
Yup, it's Yahoo. I've got it all setup and ready to go, and will distribute the URL and password and all that cool jazz to everyone who checks in. You two are obviously still in, so I'll send that off now.
TheUsualSuspect
08-19-08, 06:16 PM
I work every weekend, but should be home for 4. Have to rush though.
Is it going to be auto-draft or no?
Auto-draft will be available for those who need it, for sure. But we are going to have something live going for whoever can make it. :)
Powdered Water
08-19-08, 06:24 PM
Is Dan Marino available? He was always good with the throwing and such.
*places large bet on self*
By the by, I bought stat tracker last year (10 bucks for the season) and it made it much more exciting with up to the minute, head to head score/stat updates while the games were going on. I tried to just watch the coverage on TV and figure out my points, but it was a pain in the ass and I was never on point when i compared later once the stuff posted. I don't think I understood the guy's score set-up completely...
With tracker running, you can bring up your match on your PC and the stats update in real time.
Maybe skip it for a game or two to get the hang of stuff, then check into it! It made it much more fun for me!
Mrs. Darcy
08-19-08, 10:27 PM
Slug and I are still in. We had stat tracker, too, Seds and it did make it more exciting.
My fellow MoFo Fantasy Managers:
I have both the Rotowire and FantasyGuru Full Draft Kits in my possession. Giant PDFs with a ton of stats, info, and picks for this upcoming season. The Rotowire kit is the most well organized. I will email either or both of the kits (A five dollar value) to any interested parties, free of charge.
The catch? There is none. I want the league to be well-informed and tight, with great games each week, so I think all involved should have access to as much info as possible.
Let me know, via this thread or PM, where to send the stuff if you folks are interested...
Another cool resource I am checking out this year, and this is especially good for those of us that will try to draft live, is the results of the Fantasy Experts Draft.
Here (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f2/2255/draftresults)
Take a look at the results, and how the drafting trends develop as to what type of player to draft when, and what sort of talent trumps normal draft strategy (i.e. Tom Brady).
Notice in the first few rounds, the monster backfield players get snatched up quickly, with anomoly Tom Brady actually getting snagged first round right after the 6th top back went.
(Personally, if faced with the choice of Frank Gore over Brady, I would have certainly taken Brady!)
Alas, the above move might have stranded me with exactly zero top backs, with me running potential but unproven giants like Ryan Grant in my first string slot. Risky, but if the #9-20 backs come alive, completely worth it.
Anyway, I am just trying to spotlight the importance of the first few picks in the draft, as well as the importance of making sure there is plenty of depth on your bench in the injury-prove RB category.
I plan on snagging a top back early, regardless of Brady's availability, and then snagging a top QB 2nd round, as I got stuck with Gerrard and Favre last year, which cause me problems constantly. (I let the computer draft, and it waited for 4th round to slot frippin Vince Young as my lead QB, with Favre on my Bench out of the 6th round.
However, I ended up with Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, and Ronnie "go to town" Brown. Those three players alone carried me to the finals. It was a shame to see Brown go down with a severe knee tear, as 4 weeks after he was out for the SEASON, he was still one of the leading backs in points.
Have fun!
Powdered Water
08-20-08, 03:18 PM
Interesting Seds, and thanks again for sending that kit over. I'll be poking around that thing all week.
So how does the draft work? I gathered that the site randomly chooses the order and then what? Do we get like 5 minutes or so to pick a player? And is there a list to choose from or is it best to use that draft page with all of those personal preferences and go off of that.
Yeah, it generates an order shortly before the draft, and we probably get a few minutes for each pick. Which doesn't sound like much, but once you're in there, it's usually plenty.
They have a ranking there, expert-determined or somesuch, that you can use. You can modify it and, I expect, it'll show up in the draft room. That's how pretty much all leagues do it now, I believe.
Yeah, it generates an order shortly before the draft, and we probably get a few minutes for each pick. Which doesn't sound like much, but once you're in there, it's usually plenty.
They have a ranking there, expert-determined or somesuch, that you can use. You can modify it and, I expect, it'll show up in the draft room. That's how pretty much all leagues do it now, I believe.
Yes, you can modify the current Yahoo draft order if you go to the Draft Central section, then click Pre-Draft rankings. The list allows you to modify it to your liking at any time.
I am trying to get a (decent) freeze frame of my MoFo avatar to use as my team pic!
Powdered Water
08-20-08, 03:33 PM
Sweet... I want to get this right. I really want to win the car. :p
Powdered Water
08-20-08, 03:34 PM
I am trying to get a (decent) freeze frame of my MoFo avatar to use as my team pic!
What? No Patriots avatar? Travesty I says.
Well, I thought that since the name of my team is the Blade Runners (This may change to ManMyTeamIsShit at some point) that the dude with the switchblade would be cool.
Powdered Water
08-20-08, 04:04 PM
You may want to patent ManMyTeamIsShit, that could bring in a few bucks for you every time someone says it. :laugh:
A quick note on the draft kit.
At this time of year, the teams are changing dynamically, with camp injuries, contract holdouts etc. The kit I am sending is a good source to get familiar with the players, and get ranking and stats from the past couple of seasons. That said, some of the info will be out of date, even though the thing just got released. For instance, Favre had retired, and, at press time, was still in negotiations, so he isn't listed. Some of the later trades aren't represented either.
Just make you you try to get at least one elite back, 1 elite wideout, and a top 12 QB in the first 3 runds.
The general rule for the first 6 rounds is to draft 3 backs in the first four rounds, and then to make sure you have 4 backs by round 6. This leaves it up to YOu when you want to slot a QB and a wideout. The ONLY QB worth even thinking about in round 1 is Brady, and I wouldn't waste my first round pick on 'ol Tom, personally. He will NOT have a 50 TD season, and you can bank on that. Grabbing someone like LT or Adrian "Purple Jesus' Peterson in the first round is a MUST, IMO.
RE: Handcuffing - Read up on this concept online. The community is divided on whether you should cuff your elite backs. I don't cuff, as I would rather gamble on perhaps snagging a 3rd starter in the opening weeks.
In brief: Handcuffing is the strategy of drafting your elite back's back-up in the later rounds (7-12 or so) in case your best back goes down with an ACL problem or something. This sacrifices talent for security, and it CAN work. If you end up with an injury prone starter, cuffing is actually almost necessary. If they have a healthy history and they don't use an upright running style (easier to get injured) then don't even think about cuffing, as you can spend that draft round grabbing a sweet backup QB or a nice WR2...
For example, let's talk about Purple Jesus, who is by FAR the most exciting and potentially lethal fantasy back out there. He rushed for almost 300 yards in agame last season in one game. The guy looks a lot like Sanders in his prime, and he is just starting his second NFL season, so he is incredibly fresh. Alas, he runs almost completely upright, and he got SLAMMED near the end of last season and was out for 4 games or so. I had this guy, and I hadn't cuffed him. Another player had counter-cuffed Chester Taylor and when Peterson went down, I was in trouble, as Taylor (a starter himself, normally) came alive and gave the guy yet another starter, while I had to run some asshat 2nd stringer that was wallowing on waivers. I got my ass handed to me the next two weeks until I made some risky moves that just happened to pay off.
For the record, I started the season with S JAX, Peterson, and Ronnie Brown, who were all elite backs, and they ALL went out with multi-game injuries at some point during the season. OUCH.
Last, do not, no matter how frustrated you get, ship your elite players early in the season if they under-perform. Analyze the season of Drew Brees from 07 for a great example of why to not do this.
I think he had 1 TD and 7 Interceptions in games 1-5 and then exploded to become a top 4 QB after that.
I sat on S JAX for I think SEVEN injured games, and once he started playing he shot up to the top 5 almost immediately. Glad I didn't trade him. I sure wanted to.
My new Team logo:
http://f5.yahoofs.com/coreid/48ad87bei15cfzul2re3/pZnzvOM8cq0XfRDQI7ovOJO7/1/tn96.jpg?ciAg_6IBMHZMHAzu
Powdered Water
08-21-08, 01:08 PM
Sweet, thanks for the tips. That logo is pretty bitchin' too.
See...my user name on MoFo should SO be BladeRunner... I hate Sedai :(
Powdered Water
08-21-08, 02:36 PM
Is this where you got your name from? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aes_Sedai)
If it is I think that's pretty effing cool and I hope you don't change it. If you do I hope its simply to change it to the full title of Aes Sedai, which has an even cooler ring to it.
If that doesn't impress you try this out. Did you know this?
SEDAI means “Generations” in Japanese and has been chosen as the name for the Japanese Canadian Legacy Project. Website here. (http://www.sedai.ca/)
You can also be found in one the more popular games in recent memory.
World of Warcraft (http://www.wikicheats.com/index.php/World_of_Warcraft/In_Search_of_Sedai).
Your name is mentioned HERE (http://www.coolestnickname.com/details.php/Sedai) at coolest nickname.com. Sadly no one has voted for it yet so you didn't make their top 100, but hey. You can't have everything right?
Anyway, there you go. :cool:
Yes, I did indeed get it from the Wheel of Time, years and years ago.
Also, I speak Japanese (not QUITE fluently), but I didn't know that word.
Wastashi wa nihongo ga wakarimasu, demo mada jozu ja arimasen.
-Sedai San
I guess the name is pretty cool, I would just like to have something film related, I guess.
Powdered Water
08-21-08, 02:46 PM
How about movie guy?
Blade Runner! That's the only thing I would even think about changing it to, methinks.
Alas, I will leave it for now...
Calling you anything other than Sedai (or Mike, of course) would mess my brain up somethin' fierce. But it's definitely up to you.
Yeah, Sedai it is. Although Mile sounds pretty cool, or maybe kilometer....
;)
I know what you mean though, as when I run across an old post with the body content calling you TWTCommish, I am always thrown for a loop...
So, back to FFB. I take it you have your eye on certain Pitt players already?
Funny, I didn't run any Pats at all last year. Aside from Moss and Brady, they are actually sort of a bad fantasy team. I mean, the kicker was good, but kickers get drafted last, and score the least over the season...
I am noticing the Draft Kit will be updated weekly during pre-season, so final copies can be sent out again just before draft time, if needed. Just hit me with a PM folks, and I will send it over.
The fantasy Guru kit seems to be more recent, and, I have that, too! It isn;t formatted as well, but, it's more up to date...
I'll be The Bubblebutts.
I let the computer pick for me.
It seems to know whose pretty good.
I do select three teams for my team defense if they are available.
I have fun, but have have never come close to winning.
Yeah, Sedai it is. Although Mile sounds pretty cool, or maybe kilometer....
;)
I have no idea what you're talking about. :suspicious:
So, back to FFB. I take it you have your eye on certain Pitt players already?
:laugh: Yeah, pretty much. To be completely honest, if a Pittsburgh player is close to as good as another player, hey, why not? It enhances the fun of watching the games. :) I should be able to make sure my homerism doesn't completely override my judgment, though.
Pitt has some great fantasy guys in Parker, Ward, Holmes and Big Ben (if he can just reign in the wild plays a tiny bit more, he will break top 5 QB methinks). Miller was also a nice surprise last year.
I will have no problem playing any of the above if the pick looks right during the draft.
I am also willing to bet PW has his eye on Hasselbeck and Mo Mo at this point...
DJ Hackett came alive for me at JUST the right time last year when I added him off waivers late in the season; he was the first decent WR move I made all year, after a string of errors in that department.
Powdered Water
08-22-08, 02:58 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking Hasslebeck probably later on. He may still have a pretty decent year but our receivers this year are pretty young and inexperienced. Engram is out for two months and Branch may be back soon but even then he may not have a great year. And Hackett is gone. I can say this for Matt, he is usually pretty good with not throwing too many interceptions and them still being in a relatively weak division should still lead to some pretty decent numbers.
Cool, we have half the people signed in now. I am not sure if those match-ups will change when others join, or if they will just end up getting set against one another as they sign up. If the latter is the case, looks like Yoda and I will be head to head in week one.
Here is the current (as of August 22) scoring set-up for the team. Normally it would run 1 point per 10 yards reception, but, this league is a PPR league (points per reception) so 25 yards instead of 10 should work out fine.
Passing Yards (25 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-1)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (.5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
This will require a bit of different strategy, as receivers like Bobby Engram, who rarely get yards after catch, but who get a lot of looks over the season end up scoring higher than they normally would with the .5 point per catch. I haven't tried this format yet, but I hear it's pretty fun! Looking forward to playing!
Pete (Piledriver) - Since you have played for 15 years, please let us neophytes know if the scoring looks whack in anyway.
I'll play. I wouldn't be able to make a live draft, but I'll play.
You're in. :cool: I'll PM you the league info ASAP.
Swedish Chef
08-23-08, 03:34 PM
Could you send a PM with all that ruckus my way too, Commish?
Done. :) I see your team, as well. Shouldn't it be Mongeese?
Swedish Chef
08-23-08, 06:42 PM
Yeah, I asked something to that effect in a comment on the league's page. But then I decided "Mongooses" sounded funnier either way, and what's more important than that, really?
League is filling up! Fun stuff! Are we set at 12 at this point? I wasn't sure if Bobby made it 12 MoFos already, or if I need to call Rick and have him sign up...
Let me know! :)
We've probably got 12; I'm sending my friend Adam the information to create his team this week, and Lennon's having some trouble with the login info, but I think both will be fine.
Whether or not we'll need Rick depends on The Gnat; he said he was in, and I have no reason to doubt him, but he hasn't been online in about a week and a half. If he doesn't get back to us by, say, Wednesday or Thursday, would it be too late to call your friend Rick then?
Not at all. I will let him know he is a possible sub, and to wait for my go-ahead before joining up.
Can I make a fantasy cheerleading team ? LOL just playing when does this all begin? Preseason has not ended right?
Correct. The LiveDraft is this sat night at 10 PM, and the reg season starts soon after!
That said, BOTH draft kits got updated over the weekend. Barring another update, this should be the version we are all clutching during the draft. I will monitor as the week goes on, and then I can mail the kits out a day or two before the actual draft.
Still, keep an eye on the wire for last min training/pre-season injuries etc.
The draft should be at 4PM, actually. The site is on PST time, I believe, so it says 7PM there, I think.
I will, of course, double and triple check all the time zone zaniness again before the draft.
Hmmm, it is saying 7-10 PM...Odd, as I was seeing 10 PM before...
Ok, Go to the league page by clicking "League" in the Fantasy F-ball area. The first league note says:
"Your live online draft is set for Sat Aug 30 10:00pm EDT [ Add to My Calendar (http://calendar.yahoo.com/?v=60&TITLE=Yahoo%21+Sports+Fantasy+Football+Live+Draft&TYPE=20&URL=http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com&ST=20080830T190000&DUR=0300&REM1=60m) ], which is 5 days, 8 hours, and 50 minutes from now (test your system (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/testdraft)). Please arrive at least 10 minutes early since your draft will start promptly at the assigned time. You can rank your players (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/301628/2/prerank) up until 45 minutes before your draft."
Wow. Weird. I'll have a look at that; thanks for catching it.
Okay, strange. It said 7:00 PM PDT for me. Then I set the time zone in my Yahoo account, which switched it to 10:00 PM...even though it should have subtracted 3 hours, rather than added it. Huh.
Anyway, I've updated my own account's time zone and set it for 4:00 PM EDT, which is what shows up for me now. Is it right on your end now?
Yes, we are on the same page now. Now that we have that all straightened out:
I can't make it. I'll have to let the comp autodraft. Piledriver and I both have plans to hit a BBQ at 3 PM on Saturday, which I scheduled thinking the draft was later.
Alas, you aren't going to be able to get everyone in line for the draft,so, no worries. I think quite a few others will be auto-drafting, as well. I MIGHT be able to con my friend Jay into letting me draft on his laptop during the BBQ, but, that might be rude of me.
Ha!!! 11 Angry Men...
Love it!
Oh and...Thank you Chris for taking the time to do all this! :)
Darth Stujitzu
08-25-08, 07:23 PM
Pah, thought it was real football!!!
I'll leave you guys to your game of throw ball.........
You mean soccer? I don't know about a sport with silly dots on the ball! ;)
Ok so, I have spoken to Jay, and he will not only have a laptop ready for my draft, but will also have a second laptop ready for Petey to Live Draft! We should both be able to make the 4PM start of the Live Draft, while at the BBQ!
I have the most recent draft kit ready, and the values have indeed changed quite a bit; for instance, Brady has slid down to 13th overall after missing these last three games...
Swedish Chef
08-26-08, 01:01 PM
I have the most recent draft kit ready, and the values have indeed changed quite a bit; for instance, Brady has slid down to 13th overall after missing these last three games...
I spit on your fancy draft kits! Come draft time, you should always go with your heart and your gut, not whatever Shannon Sharpe thinks you should do. I'll take Brady any day over Frank Gore. Frank Gore is hippo excrement compared to Brady!
Seriously though, Brady's fine. Kraft and company are just being uber-cautious with their wonder boy.
He'll be ready to go Week 1 :yup:
Hmm, wasting your first round pick on a QB? Glad you are playing on my league! ;)
I am, by no means, using this draft kit as a bible for my pick order. I certainly have favorite players, gut feelings and perhaps one or two crazywhackfunky picks up my sleeve depending on how much I need to react to other's picks!
But, you go ahead and run someone like Marshawn Lynch in your number one RB slot, and, I hope to play you during an important week! :D
If I end up drafting Brady or Moss first round, like a total hypocrite, you have my permission to rag on me all season....
Meanwhile, there is still some cool and useful stuff in the draft kit, like injury history etc...
Swedish Chef
08-26-08, 01:20 PM
The point differential between someone like Lynch and Adrian Peterson or Brian Westbrook isn't all that huge. There isn't a big chasm between running backs 2-15 on the board. The only one worth betting the farm on is LT. All the rest are pure crapshoots. Ryan Grant could wind up with 50 more fantasy points than Steven Jackson and nobody would be remotely surprised. Brady, Peyton Manning and even Tony Romo, meanwhile, are sure things. Fantasy "experts" always underrate the value of a top-tier quarterback.
But...the same can be said about QBs! Hell, I had FAVRE as my QB last year, and I was in the fantasy super bowl! It's funny, because almost everyone I know gives me the same line when I talk about maybe grabbing Brady in the first round. Same EXACT excuse about the top 15 QBs...
I AM on the fence about it sometimes, though. Still, I wouldn't pick Romo over someone like S-Jax, I just wouldn't.
Swedish Chef
08-26-08, 01:33 PM
We should all take kickers in the first round.
Well, now that you have exposed my secret strategy, my season is shot! Luckily, you didn't figure out my super secret power move of drafting 11 different team defenses in order to stop Yoda from getting Pitt...
Post number 7001!
*passes out*
Any spots left?! Where do I sign up?
One thing that is throwing me for a loop, is that we don't find out our 1st round draft order until minutes beforehand. This makes planning rounds 2-4 tough for me. My first round pick will determine how I feel about the next three slots... If I am late in the first round, I almost HAVE to draft RB-RB in the first two rounds, instead of maybe grabbing a QB in the 2nd if I end up with LT...
Any spots left?! Where do I sign up?
I think we are full, but, we have one guy we haven't heard from in a couple of weeks, so a slot MAY open up. Chris will know more.
@Gnat - Where are you, bud? Getting down to the wire. Let us know if you are still in, as we now appear to be getting a bit of overflow...
REMINDER - THIS IS A PPR LEAGUE.
Wideouts and RBs get .5 points per catch, so WR values change a bit. Deep threats are, of course, still great for yardage, and deep threats tend to like to stand in the end-zone when a bomb is thrownm but dudes like Welker and Mason do go up in value, as they get a ton of looks over the season.
Swedish Chef
08-26-08, 02:47 PM
What's the deal with Lennon? Is he still in?
He should be, but he hasn't responded since I sent him some clarification about how to signup. He's been active recently so I'll give him until Friday, I suppose, to signup.
TONGO: there's a very good chance Gnat won't get back to us in the next few days. If he doesn't, I will email and PM you ASAP to take his place.
Should be interesting to see how this plays out, but even if Gnat and Lennon don't make it, it sounds like we'll be covered.
Lennon is still in, as far as I know.
Chef - I am pretty damn now to drafting, and I am wondering what your thoughts would be for drafting strategies for rounds 1-5. Would you go with the traditional RB-RB-WR-WR-QB (which seems odd to me) strategy? Would you make a bold move in round 1 or 2 to snag the likes of Moss, TO, or Braylon Edwards for a stud WR? Is manning worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick, coming off a surgery?
Thoughts?
I am flying pretty much blind, and I may or may not be placing too much focus on RB depth...
Swedish Chef
08-26-08, 03:21 PM
Chef - I am pretty damn now to drafting, and I am wondering what your thoughts would be for drafting strategies for rounds 1-5. Would you go with the traditional RB-RB-WR-WR-QB (which seems odd to me) strategy? Would you make a bold move in round 1 or 2 to snag the likes of Moss, TO, or Braylon Edwards for a stud WR? Is manning worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick, coming off a surgery?
Thoughts?
I am flying pretty much blind, and I may or may not be placing too much focus on RB depth...
I have literally no strategy going into the draft, so maybe you shouldn't listen to me. I usually just make it up as I go along and there are certain players I trust more, as a football fan, even though they may not necessarily be the smartest fantasy pick. I feel like a lot of it is personal preference, but it really all hinges on where you wind up drafting in the first round. If you land LT or something, all that careful planning on your part goes right out the window. But, yeah, ideally at the end of 5 rounds you should have 2 RB's, 2 WR's and a QB. If you don't have a QB at the end of round 2, you're gonna be in some trouble. And RB depth is extremely important. But since most NFL teams feature at least two running backs fairly prominently during the course of a season, depth isn't all that hard to come by.
I agree, and, I had planned on nailing down a QB in round 2, unless I was LAST in the first round, in which case I will have to push the QB pick out and get on RB damage control. That said, I had a TON of WR trouble last year, that really never cleared up the entire season, so I have an urge to go RB/QB/WR or even RB/WR/QB... I just don't know. I have a feeling I will adopt the Swedish Chef approach once the draft actually happens...
I just joined a mock draft on Rotoworld that starts in 15 minutes...
The mock draft seems fun, if I could actually participate. I am supposed to draft ever 10 mins or so, and I had a client come in and ask me to call something up on my PC exactly when I was supposed to draft in the first three rounds... every time. I missed all three picks.
ARGGGGGGGGGGGG
COOL! Hope to hear from ya!
Guys, can someone take me step by step on how to sign up for the fantasy league, I'm signed in under my email and it on't let me join the league...
Do you have the league ID and password?
Do you have the league ID and password?
Yeah I keep getting an error, so
I'll just let TONGO take my spot..
what is the error?
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I think you are trying to log-in under the plus leagues...
Make sure you are going to the free leagues.
Go here (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/register/joinprivateleague_league_select?.scrumb=).
I am pretty sure that was the problem, Lennon. You still have plenty of time to join, and I think once you go to the Regular Fantasy sign-in, and not the Fantasy Plus, you will get right in!
MOCK DRAFTS
Rotoworlddotcom runs mock drafts starting about ever 2 minutes, 24 hours a day. This is great way to get your feet wet, and try out drafting from different positions, which from what I can tell, makes a huge difference in the draft strategy.
Here (http://mockdraft.rotoworld.com/)
I have done a few of these, and drafting 3rd in the first round is quite different than drafting 11th. I find that, if one is lat ein the order, say 9-12, you MUST go RB/RB on your first two picks, or you end up with JUNK R/Bs. If you wait until third round, and are picking 11th in the 3rd round, all the decent backs are snagged, as well as Brady and the top 5 W/R. This just seems to be how the trend works.
When I drafted in say, 4th, I was able to grab an elite back 1st round, a top 5 wideout, and then a strong RB2 or a top 8 QB in the third. I had a few good choices, but they all went right after my third round pick, so the people picking late 3rd ended up struggling in the back category, just as I did.
I tried many strategies, like taking Moss or TO in the first, taking Manning in the 2nd, or going RB/QB/WR. All these choices came easier when I was early in the order in the first.
Try dome mock drafts! It's a slightly different system than Yahoo, but it's free, runs all day, and it is pretty similar when you get down to it...
Cool stuff, Mike. Thanks for the resources! Like the new team name, too. :up:
I went ahead and removed Lennon, per his request. However, Lennon, if you change your mind, The Gnat still hasn't responded, so there's still room if you decide to play. If not, it sounds like we can tap Mike's friend Rick, so let us know in the next day or two if possible.
Anyway, TONGO just created a team (creatively named "TONGO" :D). One more and we're all set!
Rick started his league up, which I am also on. I am sure he would have no problem subbing in if we are down a slot. Not sure what happened with Lennon, as I am pretty sure he was trying to log in under the plus leagues.
My PC at home is back up and running, although there is a slight hic-up with my drive lettering that seems to be causing problems with windows update. I don't feel like wiping three drives and re-installing yet again, so I am going to let it ride for now, as it is functioning perfectly otherwise. Anyway, my point is that I can stay in touch with MoFos at night and on the weekends now, so adding Rick can be done Friday night or Saturday afternoon if necessary...
I changed the team name, because I was having trouble using multiple logos for each of my teams. It applied the logo globally, so all my teams have to use the same logo. This means I have two teams called The Replicants in Yahoo leagues, which should cause plenty of confusion for me as time wears on! ;)
Rick started his league up, which I am also on. I am sure he would have no problem subbing in if we are down a slot. Not sure what happened with Lennon, as I am pretty sure he was trying to log in under the plus leagues.
My PC at home is back up and running, although there is a slight hic-up with my drive lettering that seems to be causing problems with windows update. I don't feel like wiping three drives and re-installing yet again, so I am going to let it ride for now, as it is functioning perfectly otherwise. Anyway, my point is that I can stay in touch with MoFos at night and on the weekends now, so adding Rick can be done Friday night or Saturday afternoon if necessary...
Good to know. If you get a chance, please do thank the man for being subject to our whims. :D I actually figured that several users would kind of forget they agreed to play, so I'm pretty please that we only have one no-show so far. Then again, it's only Thursday, so he might still make it.
I changed the team name, because I was having trouble using multiple logos for each of my teams. It applied the logo globally, so all my teams have to use the same logo. This means I have two teams called The Replicants in Yahoo leagues, which should cause plenty of confusion for me as time wears on! ;)
Oddly appropriate, no? You've replicated The Replicants.
Sigh - SO I have noticed that my computer mis-lettered my hard drives on install, and my system drive ended up being Drive F, which is a no-no. So, Now that I am all up and running again, I will be nuking all my drives, re-seating, and re-installing yet again. The thing is running great, but, Windows update is giving me **** when I try to auto-update. I am thinking it is confused or something...
If you will excuse me for one moment......
FRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, I am back now.
Welcome back. Definitely sucks...sorry to hear about it mis-lettering everything. Always tricky when a computer does something on its own...99% of the time it's all well and good and saves us time and trouble, but every now and then...well, you get the idea.
Whipped this up a few minutes ago. Felt appropriate. Gentlemen, this will be the last thing your team sees on this Earth...
http://www.movieforums.com/upload/11angrymen.png
Fantastic!
RE: The computer. I have been building my own machines for over a decade, but, this was the first time I had tried to set on up with multiple drives, one of which already had a Windows install on it. I had to retrieve the data, though, so it had to be done. In hindsight, I should have done the install first and THEN slaved the other drive in for data retrieval...
Live and learn, I guess.
Aye. Please keep us posted on this, as it will directly effect our ability to harass you with preposterous trade proposals.
I remember, many moons ago, when I'd finished with my first computer and had purchased a second. I figured I'd use the first to experiment by trying to install Red Hat Linux on it. I had no idea what I was doing, of course, and to make a long story short the computer has no C drive now.
Oh, I might even do it tonight, which would have me back up and running by tomorrow!
Have you done any mock drafts yet?
Not yet, but I'll try to get one in either later today or tomorrow afternoon. Sounds pretty helpful. I've been consuming everything I can get from a select couple of experts, and have a few basic principles to move forward with. I've been working on a few small "try to avoid" and "worth reaching for" type lists, as well.
That said, this is still my first time out, so I have realistic goals (read: world domination). Really looking forward to it, though. :)
I would like for us to get together and do a few drafts, if possible. It's fun, and it REALLY makes a big difference where you start in the draft... In early position, I have no problem getting a top 5 back, and a top 5 QB. Late, not so...
So, at that point, I end up waiting on a QB until like round 5 or so...and I snag good WR or a second elite back.
Yeah, that's one thing that seems to be true in fantasy baseball, and I assume it's true here, too: where you start has to greatly effect your strategy in the first few rounds.
I've only played fantasy baseball to this point, and in fantasy baseball I almost always want a pick near the end of the round. Looking at the way fantasy football is setup, though, I have to agree: I'd probaby like a Top 5 pick. Ideally 3rd or 4th.
I'd be down for a mock draft in an hour or two (doing one right now, actually). If not then, then maybe around 5-ish. Let me know what you think. I assume we can pick a number on Rotoworld and join way in advance, yes?
3rd is my favorite slot so far. Getting LT is nice, or AP in the 2nd slot, but Westbrook is arguably just as good, as is Jackson, so it isn;t a huge hit. Then it reverses, and I end up with either Brees or Romo, which is a GREAT start, IMO. After the QB pick in 3rd, it reverses and you get to pick almost right away again, and I usually slide in someone like Braylon Edwards for an elite WR. If I end up with a top 5 back, QB, and a top 8 WR in the first three, I am pretty happy, and can add good depth in the later rounds...
Here is the Rotoworld Mock page, which shall answer your query...
Here (http://mockdraft.rotoworld.com/mockdrafts)
I will be here at work until 5, but I am slow, and can run drafts without too much problem. I will be able to give it my undivided attention after 5PM...
I'll drop you a PM. It might be tricky for me...I'm battling a pretty insane cold right now and it's gotten really bad over the last couple hours, so there's a good chance I'll just be sleeping this evening. I'm sure we'll find time sometime today or tomorrow, though.
Cool. I have been battling...something, myself. Throat issues, sinus trouble, some lethargy... Other than that I don't feel sick, but something is attacking my system...
Powdered Water
08-28-08, 08:51 PM
It turns out that I'm going to have to work on Saturday and may not be able to do the draft live. I'm assuming there is somewhere I can just click on or something if need be and the computer will pick everything for me yes?
This new job is going to keep me pretty busy for the next few months until I get into late fall and the winter months which are always a slower time for my type of work. So I'm probably going to only be on an hour or two during the week, but I should still be able to check in pretty regularly on the weekends. Not that you needed to know that or anything, I was just illustrating (again) that I don't really have a handle on this fantasy thing so if someone could be so kind as to tell me how to set it up for an auto draft I would be most grateful.
It turns out that I'm going to have to work on Saturday and may not be able to do the draft live. I'm assuming there is somewhere I can just click on or something if need be and the computer will pick everything for me yes?
Good news Powdered.
If it works like it has in the past, you can wake up Sunday morning with your team picked for you, and ready to go.
It's nice.
Yup, you can log in and fiddle with the rankings to have it target certain players above others and all that, so you can get a team you'll likely be happy with. I figure something like half of us will actually draft live; no big deal if you can't make it, though it's certainly a shame! :)
Powdered Water
08-29-08, 10:19 PM
OK, So I don't need to do anything I guess. It says in the help section that the computer will just pick for you if you aren't there. I don't even have to set it to do anything. My kind of deal, I'll tell you what.
Less than 4 hours to go. :) Gonna do some last-minute listmaking and research-y stuff soon. Definitely looking forward to this.
I just put a trade request in to one of you for Ben Rothlessberger. Nice package offered so I hope you dont live in Pittsburgh.
Please lets have everyones MoFo handle to their football name on a chart. That way we know whose who or at least I do.
:laugh: Sorry, I do live in Pittsburgh. Frankly, I'm just glad I was able to limit myself to four Pittsburgh-related picks (Ben, Ward, Reed, and the PIT defense). I thought I might reach for them a lot more.
The draft was really fun.
I'm in the process right now of analyzing all the teams to see who picked what.
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I just put a trade request in to one of you for Ben Rothlessberger. Nice package offered so I hope you dont live in Pittsburgh.
Please lets have everyones MoFo handle to their football name on a chart. That way we know whose who or at least I do.
I just looked at TONGO's team, and right now, it looks very good.
Whoever plays TONGO first, could you please win?
:)
http://www.footballcardgallery.com/pics/1952-Bowman-Large/25.jpg
LINK (http://www.footballcardgallery.com/1952+Bowman+Large/25/)
Oh boy. Im taking a BIG gamble in dropping Jeff Garcia for Kurt Warner. Garcia is the #1 go to guy in TB, but for the first time ever they are deep in talent on QB. Warner has been very inconsistent, but is the man in Arizona. They will lean on him alot since Leinert hasnt delivered. Yep thats foolproof thinking, and reasoning.
-hands trembling in fear, fingernails on floor-
The Flying Mongooses_________Swedish Chef
BeanTown Champs__________Piledriver
TONGO_______________TONGO
Boondock Skins____________Adam
The Sharks_____________Ridonkculous
Tupac Resurrection____________BobbyB
Slugs Bubblebutts____________Slug
The Replicants__________Sedai
The Face Huggers_________TheUsualSuspect
PW's Odd Squad_____Powdered Water
Darcy's Destroyers____________Mrs. Darcy
12 Angry Men_________Yoda
Thanks Yoda
The Replicants - Sedai
Slug - Steve Smith got a two game suspension. Sub a guy in! ;)
Check the first post; team names and owners are listed there. :) I might have messed a couple up, though, by confusing Sedai's two friends.
The Replicants - Sedai
Slug - Steve Smith got a two game suspension. Sub a guy in! ;)
Thanks for the tip.
I'm on it.
I hope everyone is happy with their draft! After starting out strong, I made not one, but two questionable picks. To obtain Manning, I sacrificed depth in the R/B slot, and I could be in trouble if a guy gets hurt early... I made a REALLY odd pick with some good potential upside in the rookie back, Mendenhall.
Swedish Chef
09-01-08, 11:51 AM
I think I picked too many white guys.
I hope everyone is happy with their draft!
Fairly. I'm thrilled I got Addai with the 9th pick. I had no business getting him that late. I was very tentative on who to take next, because by my 2nd round pick there were a whole mess of guys, none of which I liked all that much more than the others. I ended up going with Grant, but wasn't bouncing off the walls about it.
I think I made a few other mistakes. I reached a little for Ben, but under the circumstances I think my hand was forced. I took a little bit of a chance on Calvin Johnson. I feel great about him, but it's still a chance.
I think I took Tony Gonzalez too early, too. There's a lot of depth at TE this year and I could've waited another round or two and gotten someone nearly as good, I think. I was also COMPLETELY unprepared for some of the later rounds, and I think I've got a fairly week bench as a result (save for Schaub, whom I was targetting and was glad to get).
I do like my starting lineup a hell of a lot, though. I don't have any glaring holes, at least, which is nice. I'll probably be struggling with whether to play Hines Ward or Fred Taylor in that swing slot most weeks, though.
After starting out strong, I made not one, but two questionable picks. To obtain Manning, I sacrificed depth in the R/B slot, and I could be in trouble if a guy gets hurt early... I made a REALLY odd pick with some good potential upside in the rookie back, Mendenhall.
I agree with your self-analysis. The Manning thing is probably going to be the single biggest factor in determining how your season comes out. If he has a typically strong Manning-esque season, then your pick is perfectly justified, but if he misses a game or two, sits the last couple of games out, or something like that, then it could be rough.
I was listening to a podcast and they went on about Manning for quite awhile, and decided he'd be deciding the fate of all sorts of leagues this year, as he figured to drop to the late 2nd round in many cases, giving him the potential to be a huge bargain for someone.
I think I picked too many white guys.
Genius.
To be honest, I didn't know what I was doing at first.
I used to let the computer pick for me automatically.
Picking the Cowboys was pure luck, I clicked a button and got them.
Once I figured out how to pick, it was really neat to do.
I think winning league is going to be really difficult now.
The people in our league have some powerful teams.
What is really cool, is the winner gets a trophy at the end.
Good luck to everyone.
Well, I completed my second draft last night, and, I must say it is MUCH easier to draft a solid team in an earlier position. I am happy with my MoFo team, but, I feel like it has very little depth, unless of course my rookies come alive and become top 20 players.
Although it seemed savvy at the time, drafting Manning in the 2nd might have been an error in the MoFo draft. As Yoda said, time will tell!
My MoFo Team:
Payton Manning
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Jericho Cotchery
Frank Gore
Reggie Bush
Dallas Clark
Ricky Williams
Kris Brown
Tennessee Defense
Rashard Mendenhall
Donald Driver
Ted Ginn Jr.
Joey Galloway
Jake Delhomme
I have CHI rookie Matt Forte on a Waiver Claim, after shipping Domenic Rhodes back to FA (Chris, you may want to pick him up as a cuff for Addai).
After three stud picks in the first three rounds, I started taking BIG risks, looking for a ton of potential upside in guys like Mendenhall. With Favre under center in New York, I am counting on Cotchery to slide up into the top 15 WR category. I need a lot to go right for this team to do well, and I need Manning to act like the top 2 QB we all know he is.
The first three weeks are always very dynamic, so I will give all these guys a few weeks to come alive before I start making drastic changes.
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My other draft has a lot more tried and true depth, as I ended up with the first pick. I decided to load up on major studs early, while still trying to draft a top 6 QB. Taking a look at my list, you will see the advantage an early pick can have.
No swing slot here, so WR values go up a bit, running three WR slots:
Derek Anderson
Braylon Edwards
Larry Fitzgerald
Laveranues Coles
LaDanian Tomlinson
Lawrence Maroney
Chris Cooley
Nate Kaeding
Jacksonville Defense
LenDale White
Chris Perry
Jonathan Stewart
Bobby Engram
Tedd Ginn Jr.
Jay Cutler
So, as you can see, that early slot allowed me to lock down THE elite back and TWO elite receivers in the early rounds. The only guy I see giving me problems in my starting line-up in NE back, Lawrence Maroney. Alas, I snagged the new RB starter for CIN, in Chris Perry. I got him in the 15th Round, as my last pick. That could turn out to be the fantasy steal of the season if he takes off. If neither of those guys pan out, Lendale White could turn into a solid RB2, as well.
I ended up with pretty sick depth at receiver, as well.
Needless to say, I can't wait for the season to start!I love my stud filled team, but, if the MoFo team does well, it will be MUCH more exciting!
Why are people dropping stud players out to the Waiver Wire?
Um, thanks! :D
Tongo - I snagged Williams off waivers, as I have receiver issues. If you are sure you don't want him, I have no problem putting him in as my WR2. Alas, if it was a mistake, we can work something out. I don't want anyone's team getting ruined.
That said, Chris had the strongest draft, IMO. Big Ben has moved into the top 5 QBs, after a solid showing in the preseason. The double whammy of Joe Addai and Ryan Grant (Elite talent, for sure) will be some of the most consistent RB slot performance in the league. This being a PPR league, Grant is actually a TOP 6 RB, IMO. Larry Fitzgerald is certainly a Top 5 stud, and will only be MORE consistent with Warner at QB. Warner is slick mitted sometimes, but he can definitely get great stuff going with wideouts of Fitzgerald's caliber. Calvin Johnson has some of the best upside potential of the WR2s. Great choice. A slight risk, but, man, he is bound to take off at some point. ALL of Chris's starters are top notch, as far as i am concerned. I pick him to top 4, for sure, with a good chance to win it all. Good work, Chris!
I, on the other hand, have WR trouble, as usual. Williams may help that, if I keep him...
EDIT - I see why you made the change. McDonald currently has a slightly higher rating overall than Roy Williams. Keep in mind McDonald is coming off a surgery. He has good potential upside, but his fantasy value is a bit lower than Williams at this point, as he has a big question mark over his head as far as durability is concerned.
That said, with Detroit's offense in a state of flux, and coming off a year in which their QB line had protection issues. Deep threats like Williams and McDonald are always a risk.
I could sit here and tell you dropping Williams for McDonald is a bad move, except I made the exact same move mid-season last year. I benched Williams for McDonald when Williams got banged up. Neither receiver did much for my team at any point in the season. As far as upside is concerned, Calvin Johnson is the best bet on the team.
Yeah I had a sick feeling in my stomach when I heard how good Williams is. Alls fair Sedai! I just hope my McDonald racks in the points. Im hoping he sees alot of action being theyre light on talent in Detroit. Fantasy thinking or fantasy?
I noticed some people only have one kicker and one defense.
I find that interesting.
In fact, I think one player has three defenses.
And they are all good ones too.
I think I figured that strategy out.
Denying the other players those defenses.
My team is weak.
I'm going to lose.
Yeah, I drafted defense and kicker last. Kickers are, by far, the lowest scoring slot on the team. Defenses score a bit more, but, when compared to the other teams a bit lower down the value scale, the point differential isn't that large. Actually, a lot of people say the same about QBs. After you get past the top 3-4 QBs, the next 10 guys are all pretty damn good, and will bring in about the same level of points as one another, while coming in under the top 4, but not by that much.
I picked an elite QB in this league, and waited until round 6 in my other league to get a QB.
In our league, RBs are going to make or break our seasons. Since we have a swing slot, getting the highest level of production out of the two RB slots and the swing should be the bread and butter of a manager's strategy. Of course, elite WRs will also play a big part, and guys like Moss and Edwards will bring in a pretty large stack of fantasy points over the year.
If you do have three defenses, I would recommend dropping two, and shoring up depth on your bench, in case of injury. grab extra running backs and wideouts, or an extra TE if you think yours might fall aprt or is prone to injury. I don't run two TEs, as I feel it is another slot that sometimes brings in points, but, for the most part, has minimal effect. A few teams lean heavily on their TEs, but not a ton.
You can always snag kickers or defenses out of Free Agency if your team has a buy. That's how I play those slots, anyway.
So, how many RBs should you have, both active and on the bench? With a swing slot running, I would say at least 5, probably 6. I ran 5 total last year, early in the season, and I ran into depth problems. I had two elite backs (Steven Jackson, Ronnie Brown) go dow with multi-week injuries and one of my bench guys happened to have a buy that week. Needless to say, I was scouring FA lists to pick up a sub. Green Bay's starter was falling apart, so I picked up Ruyan Grant, who was just coming online. He turned out to be a steller play, and is probably the reason I made it to the play-offs. It was total luck, as I had never heard of the guy.
That is what fantasy is all about, though! Finding those gems in the rough that make your team better.
Slug - My advice? Your team actually looks pretty dam good, for one thing. Now, build some depth at RB by dropping Tynes, CLE defense, and your extra TE. You have Nick Folk, who is, IMO, the best place kicker in the league. You will only need a sub on his buy week, when you can bench him and bring a guy in for just one week, dropping the sub kicker right after the game.
I see Ray Rice, the rookie back for Baltimore is available. Grab that guy, as I THINK he just might end up with the starting job in Baltimore for the first 3-4 weeks. He will get at least as many carries as McGahee, who is still not 100% coming of an injury. Grab him fast. I am willing to bet at leat one rookie back with take off this year, and Rice could do it. Pop him on your bench and wartch him for the next few weeks. Hell, you might even want to play him week one. They have a good match-up against a semi-weak defense vs the run. He may bust 100 yards and grab a TD.
Seattle's Julius Jones is also on Free Agency. Perhaps grabbing him could pan out if he fits into that system and starts producing.
With the extra Tight End slot, maybe grab another WR or yet another RB. This will give you more options to try as the early weeks (always in flux) wear on.
You can also try to counter-cuff some of us, by picking up the back-up RBs for some of our stud players, in case they get hurt. Some good (available) cuffs this year are Domenic Rhodes, Ladell Betts, Andre Hall, and TJ Duckett.
READ STATUS REPORTS DAILY - Rotoworld posts stuff daily, all fantasy based. It's a fun and easy way to catch up on daily events, find waiver steals, and learn about the game. Like say, for instance, reading today that Seattle is shifting to a more balanced, less pass-happy offense this year, and that Morris and Jones will split carries evenly in the early part of the season (this brings both of their values down a bit in the early weeks, with chances that one will develop into a 3 down back down the road).
Last - TRUST YOUR TALENT - If your studs start off slow, DO NOT GET RID OF THEM. These are the best football players in the world, and chances are they WILL come alive. I learned this lesson the hard way by shipping Colston out to waivers last year. I still get crap for it from my friends. After a couple of bad games, he shot up to a TOP 10 receiver.
TONGO - Fair play on Williams. That's how I learned, too!
That said, this being a PPR league, if McDonald sees action, he could be a good pick if he gets a lot of looks. It is certainly not a horrible move.
"Profootball.com writes that Tatum Bell reportedly stole Rudi Johnson's bags when the two crossed paths in Detroit Monday.
Rudi apparently left his bags outside Matt Millen's office during a meeting, then they disappeared. Millen checked security tapes and saw usurped running back Bell lift the bags. They tracked Bell down elsewhere, retrieved the bags, and decided not to press charges. Bell is even worse at crime than he is at running."
Yup - Be prepared for one or more of your players to pull something silly during the season. Fights, shootings, theft, assault, drugs...
The above story cracks me up....
Swedish Chef
09-03-08, 11:52 AM
Yup - Be prepared for one or more of your players to pull something silly during the season. Fights, shootings, theft, assault, drugs...
Cincinnati Bengal's wide receiver Chad Johnson legally changed his name to "Chad Ocho Cinco".
That's pretty silly, who's got that guy?
I actually passed on him to grab Housh instead. CJ might have been the better elite to choose, but, well, the guy is clearly a knob.
Thanks for the kind words, Mike. I do feel extremely good about my starters, but my bench is a bit thin. If everyone stays healthy, I love my chances, but I wasn't as prepared for the later rounds as I'd thought I was.
A lot of players went higher than I expected, which caused two things to happen: 1) I got better starters than I'd expected, 2) all the people I thought I'd be able to fill my bench with were gone, and I was largely ignorant of the players who remained. The result is that I got some really great value given my slot (Addai at 9th? :eek: Still shocked), but I don't have a lot going on behind that.
Should be interesting, to say the least. I sure don't like the fact that my first game is against you, as your team probably has the biggest upside/risk-reward factor, but it should be fun all the same. :)
It's all about Ricky Williams, man. If he comes out and has a banner game (not likely, but certainly possible), I might steal the victory from you.
I am also still shocked that I got PPR monster Frank Gore in 10th. In PPR leagues, I would actually put Gore fourth in line, back wise, behind LT, S-Jax and Westbrook. The fact that their systems use them heavily as a 3 down back, as well as passing to them frequently, makes those three the best PPR plays in the league, IMO. I thought for SURE you would snag Gore. PPR aside, I rank Addai a strong 4th in backs, and Gore in the 5-6 slot.
Gore's next game is vs AZ. Last time vs AZ, he was thrown 11 passes for 98 yards, while rushing for 110 yards on 21 carries and 2 TDs. In our league, the guy would net:
11 points for rushing pards
9.8 points for passing yards
12 points for 2 TDs
5.5 points for PPR
Now, the guy isn't going to do this every game, but, one can see how PPR numbers can pretty much add an extra TDs worth of points to any given player.
My big gamble for PPR points in Reggie Bush. I am hoping he got undervalued this year (he was top 10 last year). If they use him for 20 touches per game and 6-10 looks, he will net me decent RB2 numbers. Otherwise, I gots some subbing to do!
You watch, Ryan Grant is going to be a great PPR source for you, especially since they said they will reduce his touches this year a bit to keep him fresh, while passing to him more and more. Yeah, I wanted Grant. ;)
Can't wait for our match! :)
You're right, with PPR Gore's value goes up, but I do know there's some debate about how often he'll be thrown to. That was enough to make me hesitate. If Addai had gone in front of me (instead of Romo or Palmer), I might have taken Gore, though. I'm glad I didn't have to make that choice, though.
Good call on Bush. If he busts out, so will you. It's on!
You're right, with PPR Gore's value goes up, but I do know there's some debate about how often he'll be thrown to. That was enough to make me hesitate. If Addai had gone in front of me (instead of Romo or Palmer), I might have taken Gore, though. I'm glad I didn't have to make that choice, though.
Good call on Bush. If he busts out, so will you. It's on!
Well, Mike Martz has gone on record recently about their "Gore-centric" offense. Gore is in the best shape of his life. With Marshall Faulk as his personal coach this year, he has dropped a good 12-15 pounds, and is cutting like a razor at his new weight. The guy has GREAT hands, and since SF doesn't have a ton of options in the run game, you will see Gore flanking out for screens a whole lot against solid lines, methinks...
That said, the guy has to stay healthy...
Still, Addai/Grant is just sick, IMO. I would rather have Grant over Bush in my RB2.
Swedish Chef
09-03-08, 12:52 PM
My big gamble for PPR points in Reggie Bush. I am hoping he got undervalued this year (he was top 10 last year). If they use him for 20 touches per game and 6-10 looks, he will net me decent RB2 numbers. Otherwise, I gots some subbing to do!
If Reggie Bush gets 20 carries a game, I will be royally screwed. I'm kinda counting on Deuce McAllister to produce out of that third RB slot and I was hoping he'd be the one getting at least 20 carries a game. So, yeah, I really do wish you the best of luck in this thing. But I also wish Reggie Bush would develop some sort of crippling bone marrow disease within the next week or so.
Well, Mike Martz has gone on record recently about their "Gore-centric" offense. Gore is in the best shape of his life. With Marshall Faulk as his personal coach this year, he has dropped a good 12-15 pounds, and is cutting like a razor at his new weight. The guy has GREAT hands, and since SF doesn't have a ton of options in the run game, you will see Gore flanking out for screens a whole lot against solid lines, methinks...
That said, the guy has to stay healthy...
Yeah, that's the counter to the worry, and I think it's a good one. I think Gore will be fine, and I think your analysis is totally sound. Just describing my thought process at the time; I wanted to feel I was getting a totally sure thing, something which I honestly didn't think I'd get at my slot.
Still, Addai/Grant is just sick, IMO. I would rather have Grant over Bush in my RB2.
Aye, but of course I had to burn a 2nd rounder on Grant, whereas you took Bush in the 4th. So if he has a big year and even approaches Grant's numbers, you win big-time. He could easily end up being a better value, for sure, even if he scores less overall.
In more PPR news, The Wide Receiver with the most looks per game last year? Larry Fitzgerald, with 11.1 per game. Nice choice, Chris! Also, Whomever snagged Brandon Marshall out from under me during the draft, good work. He is a look machine, as well...
This is the reason I took Housh over Ocho Cinco, actually. Housh has a good chance of coming in 2nd overall in looks this year, behind Fitz.
@ Darcy
"[Deion] Branch could practice on a "limited" basis for weeks and still not be ready to face contact. He has not been hit since tearing his ACL seven months ago. While Branch is worth a roster spot in 12-team leagues because Seattle kept him off PUP, he seems unlikely to help fantasy teams before Week 5"
Bummer. Alas, I figured you don't read too many injury reports, so I wanted to make sure you knew he wasn't going to play this week. When Marshall comes on line next week, Branch won't matter as much, but, it looks like Stallworth this week. He is slotted in the WR1 slot in Cleveland, so he will certainly get some looks. Getting past that Dallas Defense could prove difficult, though.
Mrs. Darcy
09-04-08, 12:35 AM
Thanks, Seds. I don't read sports stuff...makes me sleepy. I'm giving up a kicker for a new WR pending waivers.
Cool, although I think Stallworth is probably a safe play, week one. This first week will just be a test run for all our teams anyway. Just make sure to make the roster change before tonight if you get a Giant or a Redskin...
That said, I get to watch my Tight End get double covered all night. I expect short numbers from Cooley tonight, as the 'skins are adopting yet another new scheme, with a new coach, and not one, but two rookie WRs.
Hopefully they get it together by week 3 or so, and Cooley gets back to his usual stellar performances...
It has...begun!
Football is HERE!
I hate to say it, but, Grant is looking like an iffy play vs a stalwart Minn Defense this week.
- Grant is coming off a hammy injury, and, even though he claims he is 100%, I doubt they will give him 20+ touches in week one. Still, with the 5-10 catches he will probably get, I would leave him in. It's a tough, call, though.
I am actually thinking of benching Cotchery for Joey Galloway this week. Galloway the Gazelle should be a slick play vs the worst pass defense in the league. Alas, can a I really bench Brett Favre's new favorite target? I doubt it...
RE: Roy Williams - I'm confused, How did someone who was earlier in the draft get waiver priority over me? Darcy was earlier in the draft, wasn't she? I figured in the 10 slot, I would certainly get Williams. I guess they changed the rules this year.
Alas, she certainly needed more depth at WR, so I am glad she ended up with him. I am sitting here trying to decide which WR1 to play, so I think I have enough talent on my team. ;)
EDIT - OK, I am a moron. I already blew my priority on Matt Forte, when I shipped Rhodes earlier this week. The priority then reversed (putting me 10th in the claim list, instead of third).
Live and learn!
Yeah, you make a good point about Grant. Think I probably have to take my chances, given that I have to go with Fargas or Taylor instead...but I'm not sure. I will definitely have a closer look, though. Thanks for the advice.
Yeah, the waiver stuff is a bit kooky, eh? :) I assumed it dropped you if and when a claim goes through...didn't realize you'd claimed Forte. Saw you had the #1 claim and figured Williams was yours. The plot thickens! :D
I took a chance, and grabbed Antonio Bryant of the Bucs... He is owned in about 2% of leagues, but he just got the starting gig in Tampa, over Ike Hilliard. So, he and Galloway are the WR1 and WR2 on that team. It might be a waste of a slot, but, then again, it might turn out to be a massive Boom play. I will let him incubate on my bench to see how he does during the opening weeks...
I would leave Grant in, if I were you.
For those of you running Tennessee players, it looks like Vince Young is done (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=77&articleid=31074). Mental anguish has finally overcome Youngm, and it looks like he will quit the NFL. This is actually good news, as far as I am concerned, as Young nerfs his teams fantasy prospects with his erratic play.
Never a big passer, he has angered fantasy owners over the past two years as his confidence in his passing game has waned. Add the fact that Tennessee seems to have acquired the next Adrian Peterson in the Rookie Chris Johnson, and a ground heavy approach was almost certain this year. Kerry Collins adds some upside value to the receiving core, with WR Jones poised to break out this season. Still, there are better options at wideout, and I tend to stay away from the titans for my air game...
Johnson is going to be incredible, so, whoever has him, I would run him in the swing until he gets hurt. Of all the rookie backs, he certainly seems to have the most upside potential...
OK then....
Some guy in my other league dropped Tony Gonzalez (Elite TE) out to waivers yesterday...
Too bad I am 10th in claims. I put in for him, of course, but I have pretty much no chance of picking him up...
Someone is going to get a sweet deal...
New Orleans Owners!
Elite Wideout Marques Colston is down and out with surgery! They are thinking he will miss 6-8 weeks after the surgery on his thumb. This is bad news for Colston owners, but good news for Shockey and Bush owners...
:D
Go, Bush! ;)
Wow. Yeah, that's great news for you. You're definitely looking like one of the teams to beat, Mike. Well done. :up: I like seeing smart gambles pay off for people, and that certainly describes the Bush pick.
It was certainly a gamble, as he spoiled a few seasons last year. Also, with all the work, he could go down at any time. Here's to hoping he makes it through 16!
What are your thoughts on Holmes for the Steelers? LT has him as her main WR in a league, and he did next to nothing last week. Do you think the Fast Willie monster will open up more chances for a deep threat via Holmes, or is Ward taking over the main role on the team?
Wow, great question.
I think Holmes will probably be fine. As much as I'd love to believe Ward's going to put up these kinds of numbers all year, realistically I think things will end up a bit more the way people expected them to. There wasn't much reason to throw bombs Holmes' way against Houston. That'll change as Pittsburgh takes on tougher opponents where they'll have to throw semi-regularly for four whole quarters, instead of two or three. So, the jury's out on this one, I think.
That said, I do think we can probably gather from this first game that, though Holmes should be a great deep threat and a strong producer, Ben might still incline ever so slightly towards Hines in the red zone. And who can blame him, with his track record and terrific hands? I think Holmes' owners should certainly stay calm, but you can make an argument that this might not be the super-duper-breaktout party for him that so many had predicted (myself included). Doesn't mean he won't be very, very good though. He just might not break into the Moss/Owens/Edwards tier.
But, hey, it's one game. He could catch two bombs on Sunday and all of a sudden I'm looking like a fool and trying to trade Ward for 60 cents on the dollar. ;D
Yeah, too early to tell. I didn't get to see the game, so I wasn't sure if it was just a lack of looks in general, or if he was having an off day, dropping passes while shaking the rust off. Edwards certainly was rusty in the Cleveland game, having one of his worst games ever.
Speaking of Cleveland. They are in trouble this weekend. They just lost one of their corners (the guy slated to cover Holmes, actually), and I expect Ben to punish them for it. This is actually good for me, as my skill positions on Cleveland will put up more pass attempts while behind.... I hope...
Darcy - Brandon Marshall is currently ranked 6th top Wide out for this week, over studs like Braylon Edwards, Plaxico Burress, and Santonio Holmes.
Cutler, Brandon's QB, is coming off a red hot game, in which he completely dominated the secondary with his laser-like passes. Marshall is currently on your bench. You may want to rotate him in!
Swedish Chef
09-11-08, 03:37 PM
This is actually good for me, as my skill positions on Cleveland will put up more pass attempts while behind.... I hope...
I don't think you're taking into account the fact that Derek Anderson apparently sucks.
DA threw for 29 TDs and about 3800 yards last season. That isn't someone that sucks. All the Browns seemed rusty, and, Anderson threw a couple of GREAT passes, deep, which were then dropped by his receivers. Not his fault, and I could see him getting frustrated when a talent like Braylon Edwards was dropping well thrown balls.
Cleveland will come alive. There are too many weapons on the team to be terrible, and Anderson is pretty good.
That said, I am playing Cutler this week in that league. :D
Okay, it's official: I have no clue who to start in the W/R slot this week. I've got Hines Ward and Fred Taylor. Taylor makes more sense in general, I think, and is projected a bit higher this week.
To make matters worse, I've for Justin Fargas, who put up some decent numbers last week and figures to do a lot of running with JaMarcus Russell likely to continue struggling.
I've more or less ruled out Fargus (reluctantly), but can't decide between Ward and Taylor. Ward put up huge numbers last week, but I can't imagine that's going to be the norm. Meanwhile, Taylor is still splitting plenty of carries with Maurice Jones-Drew. I'm leaning towards Ward. What do you guys think?
If I was juggling those three...
In PPR, those receptions always make the difference. Taylor and Jones Drew will struggle with O-line problems, I think, making Ward or Fargas the choice. Since backs are typically more consistent, and Fargas usually gets some balls tossed his way, I think I would opt for Fargas.
If he gets that hammy in shape, Grant is going to have a huge night against the terrible Detroit D, who relinquished over 400 yards of offense last week to Atlanta.
Fargus over Ward even? Hmm, you might be right. I might have to pore over some numbers with regards to the respective defenses they're facing.
Good point on Grant. If he racks up enough, I'll forgive him for his TD-less performance on Monday. ;)
Poked around a bit, and the Fargus/Ward choice is as tough as ever. On one hand, Oakland ran a ton last year, and KC's run defense in 2007 was very poor. +1 for Fargus. On the other hand, Cleveland's pass defense was positively torched last week, and was in the bottom-third all of last year, too. +1 for Ward.
Fargus had a pretty good game last week; Ward had a great one. Meh. I'll have to do a bit more research and hope I find something that lands me firmly in one camp or another.
I have a feeling your stae as a fan of Pitt will win out here, and ward will get the go. Are they ranked similarly? If so, I guess consensus is, in PPR, to go with the receiver. A guy like Fargas makes it tough though, as he rolls out for catches frequently.
I had a similar choice last week, and went with the WR (Galloway) in our game. He had an OK day, netting me 8-9 points.
I really should have played Forte, but, it worked out OK, anyway.
That lil mistake on my part last week helped me recommend Fargas, especially after McFadden got hurt with a minor neck stinger...I am just wondering how durable mcFadden is. Also, Fargas is on the Flames list this week, and is supposed to overproduce...
If you think Ward will get over 10 looks, play him, for sure, as he seems to stand around catching balls in the endzone a lot! ;)
Yeah, the fact that I'm a Steeler fan is actually causing me to overreact in the other direction, I think, to try to compensate. So I'm all tied up in knots over here. ;D
I might as well flip a coin. Can't one of them just get hurt or something? :laugh:
I would actually wait until Sunday morning to make the call. See what news floats by...
Just checked news, none for either player at this point. LT might be out though, so I had to cuff him with Sproles in my other league. That league isn't going so well for me :(
And NOW, not only is my TE out in this league, but my back-up might not play, either :(
HELP!
Looks like both my TEs will be game time decisions. Clark is the go-to-guy in the endzone, and I would really like to play him. Rosario is a rookie, but he is clearly the real deal. Manning to Clark gives Clark the edge for me, but if he is having knee issues, I am super nervous about his durability.
I will have to make the decision on Sunday, at about noon, I guess...
EDIT - Wow. I just need to vent a bit about my other league. I just picked up Chris Johnson in a trade, in which I had to give up Chris Cooley, the Redskins TE. It's a 10 team league, and with the great depth at TE this year, we have people like Owen Daniels floating around on the wire (!!!)
Meanwhile, people are stating that C Johnson will be the next Adrian Peterson. He ran all over the Jags solid run defense in week one, and showed "unmatched bursts of speed, vision, and power."
Needless to say, I accepted...
Well, a lot of the sleepers are awake and the shine is off some of the guys we thought were sure things. Thought I'd update this thread with some interesting facts through four games, given that it's almost a third of our regular season. Here we go:
Even though Piledriver (BeanTown Champs) took a huge hit by losing Brady in week 1, he also snagged Jay Cutler in the 10th round, who leads all players through week 4 with 105.8 points. Fancy that: he lost Brady, but still has the top fantasy quarterback.
Sedai (The Replicants) lost a squeaker to PW (PW's Odd Squad) in a battle of the league's only 3-0 teams, but still has the overall point lead thanks to his 171.24 point outburst last week.
Sedai's success has been fueled largely by his RBs, ironically named Bush and Gore. And did I mention he claimed someone named McClain off waivers this week?
Bush and Gore are -- get this -- #1 and #2 in total points at their position. Bush has the edge with 81 points, making him the highest scoring non-quarterback thus far.
Draft positions of the top 10 fantasy quarterbacks:
1. Jay Culter (10th round)
2. Brett Favre (7th round)
3. Phillip Rivers (5th round)
4. Drew Brees (2nd round)
5. Tony Romo (1st round)
6. Aaron Rodgers (11th round)
7. Kurt Warner (UNDRAFTED)
8. Donovan McNabb (6th round)
9. Jason Campbell (13th round)
10. J.T. O'Sullivan (UNDRAFTED)
Yep, that's right: Romo and Brees are the only quarterbacks in the top ten drafted earlier than the 5th round.
The #1 defense (Tennessee) was the the 12th defense taken. Sedai snagged them in the 13th round; a truly superb choice.
The #2 and #3 defenses (Philadelphia and Tampa Bay) didn't go until the 15th round.
None of the first round picks have the most points at their respective positions. Gore (2nd among RBs) and M. Barber (3rd among RBs) are the closest. None of the other 10 even finish in the top 4 for their respective positions.Crazy year so far, eh?
Powdered Water
10-03-08, 03:55 PM
I predict (write this down...) that after Barber scores 3 TD's for me against the lowly Bengal's this week that he will number 1 with a bullet baby! Yeah!
His short-term upside is definitely good, but, prepare for him to go down at some point during the season. He is the most physical RB I have seen in years.
Gore has a few tough weeks coming up, so I could have some trouble ahead.
I got to watch a couple of TEN games last year, end of season, and their defense was ridiculous. I planned on taking them, and was able to lock them down in the 13th. They were down on my cheat sheet as the number 1 defense, followed by the Vikings, and then the Ravens. I was 2/3 correct, anyway...
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
10-04-08, 12:59 AM
I'm not playing with the bunch of you fools, but in case you're wondering, my fantasy team is responsible for some of the piss in my attitude.
ARG!
Swedish Chef
10-14-08, 03:41 PM
The only reason I'm in third place with a 5-1 record right now is because every team I've played so far has had a bad week. I'll still take my five wins, but if we were just going on fantasy points right now, I'd be in sixth place. It doesn't really matter, though, since I get the feeling we'll all be chasing PW and especially Sedai for the rest of the year, anyway.
The one thing that's getting to me pretty bad is the fact that I have the top two fantasy quarterbacks (Brees and Aaron Rodgers) in the world and I can only play one at a time. If I were able to play both of them in the same week, I'd be unbeatable. As it is now, though, I am very beatable.
Well, PW handed me my ass when we played, even though both our teams underperformed that week. Any Given Sunday, folks... Getting these bye week wins is a big part of having a good season. I still have the worst of that to go through...
Swedish Chef
10-14-08, 03:50 PM
Yeah, the bye weeks are huge. Case in point: When I play Sedai in week 9, he won't have Frank Gore or Reggie Bush. So I'm preparing you right now for another week of ass handing humiliation, Sed-Man.
Yeah, that's a big one. I totally lucked out this week, with the Steelers on a bye, by escaping with a pathetic 75 point victory. Yikes.
Re: Rodgers and Brees. Surely you can trade one of them? Even for 60 cents on the dollar, it could be a boon.
Yeah, the bye weeks are huge. Case in point: When I play Sedai in week 9, he won't have Frank Gore or Reggie Bush. So I'm preparing you right now for another week of ass handing humiliation, Sed-Man.
Yup. While drafting I thought about Bush's sharing a bye week with my #1 pick, but the PPR potential was too high for me to pass on the dude in the fourth. I already have a different tactic set up for that week set to abuse PPR with high target wideouts, MAtt Forte in my RB1 slot, and a sub in the RB2 slot...
I doubt it will get me a win that week, but, hopefully I won't come in under 50 points or something ;)
The best possible scenario for Forte is to play Detroit that week, which is exactly who he is playing, so I have a chance of him going off for a big fantasy day, I hope...
Forte is on borrowed time, though. He is used far too much to stay potent all season, so at some point he will fall off a bit, due to injury or a shift in the Chicago offensive paradigm designed to preserve the stalwart rookie.
Swedish Chef
10-14-08, 04:16 PM
Yeah, that's a big one. I totally lucked out this week, with the Steelers on a bye, by escaping with a pathetic 75 point victory. Yikes.
Re: Rodgers and Brees. Surely you can trade one of them? Even for 60 cents on the dollar, it could be a boon.
I was looking to trade Brees, but I do kind of like the idea of having such a sweet backup QB. And I don't really need a big upgrade at any particular position.
At least you're in the clear now that the Steelers have gotten past their bye. You've got a good team, Yoda. If you had gotten even a slightly better performance so far from either Grant or Addai, you might be sitting a bit higher than 4-2.
Regardless of Rodgers slightly higher point advantage in our league, Brees is the best fantasy QB, hands down. Actually, he is the best QB in football, as well. That much is clear. He has almost 500 yards more passing than Rodgers, and one more passing TD. Rodgers eeks out the lead with three rushing TDs (poor Grant), but I would go with Brees as the starter, for sure. He's just better. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would disagree.
I certainly wouldn't trade him, except maybe for a top 5 RB.
Still, you have the best QBs right now, both of them, so you have some bargaining power...
I am, of course, ready to put my money where my mouth is, and ship my starting QB for your backup... ;)
Well, if you decide you're tired of having Rodgers on the bench and want to deal Brees, I might be interested. I love Ben, but I could use an upgrade there, and I have an absolute glut at WR right now: Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Colston coming back this week, and Hines Ward. I need to deal at LEAST one of these guys.
So, if anyone's looking for a receiver...yeah...I'm your guy. Ideally I'd like to package one of them with one of my RBs for an upgrade there, but I'm open-minded.
At least you're in the clear now that the Steelers have gotten past their bye. You've got a good team, Yoda. If you had gotten even a slightly better performance so far from either Grant or Addai, you might be sitting a bit higher than 4-2.
Thanks. Yeah, I was pretty thrilled with my draft (the first half, at least...was totally unprepared for the second), but Addai has been kinda mediocre and Grant has been a disaster. Funny thing is, I felt all wrong taking him, too. I was stuck in-between tiers and felt I just had to take a stab in the dark. Out of guys like Grant and Lynch and all that, I feel like it's kind of a crapshoot as to which ones will pan out in a given year and which won't. So it goes.
Anyway, I'm playing one of the winless teams this week so I should be in or around the playoff hunt, so long as Addai isn't too hurt.
The more I look at my WR situation, the more I realize how tricky this is going to be. Assuming I can't deal a receiver, that is.
On one hand, I'm pretty confident that Colston will more or less return to his old form, and that Saints offense is ridiculous. Assuming Colston produces, and along with Fitzgerald (bye this week), and I've got my two starters, neither of which can conceivably sit even in bad matchups.
So, I've got Calvin Johnson and Hines Ward backing them up. Now that Roy Williams has been traded to Dallas, Calvin's the guy in Detroit, bar none. Good in terms of looks, but he'll probably be double-covered a bit more.
Ward is still Ben's go-to guy, but the offensive line is porous, and you never know when poor blocking will completely stall their offense, as it did against Philadelphia.
So, one of these guys is getting benched no matter what. I might be able to play the other, however, if I decide Slaton's got a bad matchup on a given week. OR, I could give up on Ryan Grant, sit him, start Slaton my RB2, and then play Johnson or Ward in the W/R slot. Tough call.
Luckily we play in a PPR league, so running a WR in the swing is always an option, and in actuality, depending on your RB talent, the better play most of the time. If you don't have a third back that catches passes, like a Westbrook or a Bush, the WR is almost always the guy you want to go with, as the PPR numbers will usually put them over the top.
If the third back was someone like Edge or Jamal Lewis, the wideout (Especially a guy like Ward, with huge red zone upside) would be the clear favorite for the swing slot. Even high target, between the 20s WRs like Derrick Mason would probably net more fantasy points per week with 10-12 targets each week than a pile pusher like Lewis. As usual, TDs are the key in these discussions, and predicting TDs with some players is difficult.
Another thing leaning in the wideout's favor is the rising popularity of 3rd down scatbacks (Faulk) and to some extent fullbacks (Hightower) that are used in short/goal situations. These cats tend to snipe RB scores, something the WR doesn't have to worry about. Scats also get catches, and they sometimes score on them, but, they tend to play on only one down, so they don;t et enough work to run them, and they pilfer game time from our valuable RBs.
Alas, as in my other league in which LT has been a bust for me, you need RB help and fast. Grant is a thorn in your side, and it's time to make a move to get him out of the equation. Slaton is gold, and will [with PPR factored in] be a solid player for you if he stays healthy. Addai going out and Grant falling off the fantasy radar are tough to deal with, but you really just need to secure another great back. I think packaging Grant with a great wideout would easily get you a top 10 back from a guy (or gal!) hurting for wides.
Just wait for the right sell high/buy low moment to emerge, meanwhile trying out a wideout in your swing this week if your week seems more on the easy side as you mentioned.
Great advice; I might not have to play a WR in my swing slot yet, with Fitzgerald on a Bye, but after that I'll have to take a good long look at the possibility.
Anyway, you read my mind in packaging Grant with a receiver to upgrade at RB; I made such an offer to someone else already, actually, but I think the 3-day period expired before I got a response, so I'll probably go offer it again just in case. Looking at the rosters, though, I only see a couple of teams that are a good fit for such a trade, so we shall see.
Powdered Water
10-15-08, 09:23 PM
I'm old school NFL... I'm not trading anybody. Not that anyone needed to know that. I'm just sayin'.
If someone were to say... give me an elite QB though I would appreciate it. Although I think I could do worse with Jakey boy. O'Sullivan was fine for a week or two but he keeps turning the damn ball over so he's gonna have to ride the bench for a week or two.
Yoda why did you drop Schaub? I nabbed him cause Pennington and Orton have stiffer competition. Orton/Bears plays against Minnesota, and Pennington/Miami plays against Baltimore. Schaub/Houston goes against Detroit. Seems like a sure thing. Ill give him back if you want.
As I mentioned in the Week 6 thread, I wrestled all week with going with Schaub or Cassel, and went with the latter. It was a dumb move not only for that week, but in general, and I was a little hazy about certain elements of the waiver system, but it's my own mistake and I'll live with it. :)
Romo is practicing and might actually play, after Favre called him up and called him a wuss. No, seriously. Favre has played through a few busted finger injuries over the years, which is part of why he has this crazy streak going. So now Romo will try to play Sunday if possible, after getting called out by the all time great. Still very questionable, though.
I think that's the right choice Tongo, although Minny isn't as good against air attacks as they are vs RBs. Still, I would choose Schaub over those other two, regardless of match-up...
Aye, Schaub should do well. The funny thing is, this might be the one non-Bye week I'd consider playing Schaub over Ben, if I still had him. D'oh!
Powdered Water
10-18-08, 12:32 PM
A lot of questionable and game time decisions for this up coming week.
Reggie Bush and Clinton Portis will most likely play, which certainly makes Seds and I happy.
Joseph Addai however is out and so is Felix Jones, Bobby's secret weapon. And Bobby still hasn't updated his roster so it looks like a cake walk for the bots' come Sunday.
Nice Shockey pick up there Swedish, he was leading the team in receptions before he got hurt and should put up some solid numbers if he's healthy. When I heard he may play this week I literally ran to the computer to see if he was still available but alas, you had already snapped him up. Good move. I especialy wanted him because I'm not sure what in the hell is going on with K2, hopefully he'll snap out of it or if there was something wrong maybe it wasn't serious. We'll see.
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