The next nutless little phlegm-ball to negative rep me... [Archive]

Tacitus

06-07-07, 07:53 AM

At least say which post it was so I can rule myself out of the running! :D

Seriously though, that's the problem with this 'anonymous rep' gubbins. I much preferred it the way things were but accept that the amount of rep some people could hand out could unfairly inflate or cripple someone's score (if that sort of thing matters to you), especially those new to the site.

Losing the anonymity but keeping the 'one point for everyone' rule would be the best of both worlds, and stop negging without any apparent justification.

For those who disagree with me, let me just say this: After nearly 3 years here I'm still struggling with the point of actually giving negative rep. Praising someone, yes, rewarding them in some sort of way, yes.

I'm not gonna be a hypocrite and say that I don't give negative rep (I do, but in nowhere near the quantities that I give positive points) but I try to limit it to posts which I feel are just plain stupid or ill-mannered - not because I merely share a differing opinion about a topic.

adidasss

06-07-07, 08:16 AM

I think it's amusing...most of the time I know exactly who neg-repped me.*giggles*:D

Tacitus

06-07-07, 08:29 AM

I think it's amusing...most of the time I know exactly who neg-repped me.*giggles*:D

Most of the time we have a fairly good idea, true, but I'll play devil's advocate here and say that if repping ceased to be anonymous then debates might be opened up because those who disagree with posts would be forced to say 'why' instead of hiding behind the cyber-cloak of justice and truth...

EDIT - If this annoys the wallflowers then there ain't much I can do...

That's only just occurred to me, actually. :D

Oh, and before anyone thinks that I've got some sort of personal anti-neg rep agenda goin' on, my rep is thus:

Positive: 595
Negative: 15

It ain't easy being so damned right! *cough* :confused:

adidasss

06-07-07, 08:35 AM

You're just well mannered. ;)

Positive: 192
Negative: 128

:D

I must confess, sometimes I don't leave a comment when I neg-rep someone...not to stay anonymous tho, I'm just too lazy...

Tacitus

06-07-07, 08:45 AM

I must confess, sometimes I don't leave a comment when I neg-rep someone...not to stay anonymous tho, I'm just too lazy...

Neither do I, which is why I don't want to be a hypocrite here. I like to think that I've made my feelings perfectly plain in the thread concerned, though.

A couple of people (and no, not the thread starter in case anyone's wondering) have commented to me at the apparently random nature they'd been neg-repped. Not recently, though, we're talking 2006 here so hopefully that aspect has calmed down. :)

7thson

06-07-07, 10:41 AM

I didn't know phlegm-balls had nuts, so wouldn't this be a compliment to the ball of lung-snot?

Pyro Tramp

06-07-07, 11:01 AM

Though some of it just makes me laugh, or puzzled at what really deserved neg rep, either way, it's all anonymous so can't do anything about it.

And most my negative rep comes from Jrs.

Tbh Sammy, i thought this thread was a joke when i opened.

Yoda

06-07-07, 11:15 AM

Ah! It wasn't me.

Anyway, there are definitely downsides to anonymous rep. The prime motivation behind it being anonymous, however, was to encourage more negative repping. That sounds backwards, but the old rep system quickly devolved into a series of points for birthdays and off-color jokes, when the original intent was to highlight insight and potentially obscure posts that were rude or simply illogical. Unfortunately, we never really got enough of a balance between these two to implement most of the ideas I had in mind.

Per usual, though, the system is an evolutionary one, and I'm certainly open to the idea of removing the system's anonymity. I don't think a comment should be required, though, as it would discourage neg repping even when warranted, and a great many posts get neg rep for obvious reasons anyway.

I certainly share your curiousity in wanting to know who repped me for this or that, but I usually let what I hope is my better judgment prevail in the hope that more balanaced, honest rep will result when
people aren't as concerned about having to defend it.

What say you, MoFos?

7thson

06-07-07, 11:31 AM

Sedai

06-07-07, 11:43 AM

I mostly hand out positive rep, unless it's Adidass. I am prejudiced against flatulent elves that live in snow globes that make me sneeze. Have at you, you pointy hatted, globe dwelling, Huldufolk!

(that's Dutch for elf)

I mean, come on! How can you not Neg Rep this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Tony_Cox_as_elf.jpg

Sexy Celebrity

06-07-07, 11:56 AM

I mean, come on! How can you not Neg Rep this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Tony_Cox_as_elf.jpg

Adidasss really looks like this? He's adorable! Short, Christmasy and handsome!

Pyro Tramp

06-07-07, 12:08 PM

I like the idea of users only being able to give single points, removes the elitism and difficulty breaking in. Wouldn't mind user ratings, think that encouraged me more than anything to rep or post more. The anonymity doesn't bother me except on neg reps when can't see justification for it in my post.

Tacitus

06-07-07, 12:12 PM

I think a bit of moderation is the key. Anything more than say a neg rep or two against the same person in a given time should remove the anonyminty, a warning or something could let them know that they are about to neg rep a certain person for the "xth" time and that they will be exposed. That way you can give a quick neg-rep to those who "you" think derserve it without worrying about a backlash neg-rep or an argument and you arent allowed to badger them with bad-rep dings all the time without being called out.

Post of the day! I've read at least 6 today so know what I'm talking about. :D

Going back to my teaching days (wake up at the back!), we would only award gold stars for good behaviour - red stars for bad behaviour were soon banned. Not only did it discriminate against gingers but giving a visual record for good behaviour/work was far more productive and incentivising for the more wayward pupils than constantly highlighting their slip-ups.

So if anyone can untangle my logic here you'd eventually see that I could happily live without the option to give negative rep. Why highlight daft posts at all? ;)

I taught 10 year olds, by the way. Giving a gold star to a teenage rugby player is faintly ridiculous and more than a little camp...

SamsoniteDelilah

06-07-07, 12:15 PM

To clarify my position:

Pyro: I overstated my position in hopes it would be obvious that I'm not taking the whole thing enormously seriously, but that said, I do wish people weren't nutless little phlegm balls. heh

Yods: call me Miss Sally, but I still don't see where encouraging negativity is such a good idea, and anonymous negativity tends to just make the recipient feel like it's coming from everywhere, because it could be coming from anywhere. There's no way to address the rep point without sounding like you're all balled up over points and paranoia, and you find yourself in a position to guess what the person had an issue with in the first place. So whatever conversation was going on doesn't benefit at all.

Mostly though: getting negative rep doesn't bother me (much) in terms of my 'score'. I have rep to burn, frankly - I once asked Yoda to remove a hundred or so posts off my rep, just because it seemed overly inflated to me. The problem is that there are people taking the rep route in lieu of actual discussion. I'm here to interact with people, discuss ideas, have the occasional debate - not to have my opinions graded. I enjoy having an intelligent discussion with a person when they disagree with me about something, and I feel like that's getting left in the dust in favor of the rep thing.

Repping instead of responding = lame.

DVDGUY

06-07-07, 12:50 PM

I have + 15 and - 3.

I dont quite see the point off this reputation thing. I get negatives for saying I didn't like Apocalypse Now. =/

Sexy Celebrity

06-07-07, 12:51 PM

Yods: call me Miss Sally,

I already took that name, OKaaaaaay?

Monkeypunch

06-07-07, 01:01 PM

The problem is that there are people taking the rep route in lieu of actual discussion. I'm here to interact with people, discuss ideas, have the occasional debate - not to have my opinions graded.
Repping instead of responding = lame.

Yeah, I had the same thing happen to me, I said I didn't like The Breakfast Club, and suddenly, hey look! Negative rep points instead of asking me to elaborate! genuis! I dunno, I know when i deserve them, and sometimes thats often, but for piddling stuff like that, no.

Sedai

06-07-07, 01:14 PM

You don't like The Breakfast Club????

Now where is that neg rep button....

;)

Sexy Celebrity

06-07-07, 01:19 PM

It's not the best movie in the world. Kinda boring. Almost like being in detention.

Tacitus

06-07-07, 01:47 PM

I get negatives for saying I didn't like Apocalypse Now. =/

I said I didn't like The Breakfast Club, and suddenly, hey look! Negative rep points instead of asking me to elaborate!

Nonsense like that just wouldn't have happened in the old days. ;)

The more I think about it the more I say abolish neg rep completely. A peaceful protest is called for...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/greenspagbol/fted008.jpg

Monkeypunch

06-07-07, 04:30 PM

You don't like The Breakfast Club????

Now where is that neg rep button....

;)

LOL. But yeah, it's a crummy film, it promotes conformity, discourages individuality, forwards the idea that everything teenagers do should be blamed on their parents instead of them taking personal responsibility for their own actions, and it has Judd Nelson. End of story. :D

SamsoniteDelilah

06-07-07, 06:19 PM

LOL. But yeah, it's a crummy film, it promotes conformity, discourages individuality, forwards the idea that everything teenagers do should be blamed on their parents instead of them taking personal responsibility for their own actions, and it has Judd Nelson. End of story. :D

I can see your point about it promoting conformity, but the blaming parents thing sounds like you didn't follow to the end. They start out with that, but then break free of their confining parentally screwy notions and start making decisions on their own (sybolized by Claire giving away her earring to Bender and his accepting it).

Monkeypunch

06-07-07, 09:30 PM

I can see your point about it promoting conformity, but the blaming parents thing sounds like you didn't follow to the end. They start out with that, but then break free of their confining parentally screwy notions and start making decisions on their own (sybolized by Claire giving away her earring to Bender and his accepting it).

What i meant is that they don't take any responsibility for what they did to get into detention. It was always their parents' fault that they did what they did, and I think thats a cop out.

7thson

06-07-07, 11:20 PM

It was always their parents' fault that they did what they did, and I think thats a cop out.

Heh, name one child that lives with their parents that has not done something because of what they learned or experienced because of their parents. Children and young teens naturally want their parents to respect them and love them, it's human nature. I think it is a cop out for a parent to not take pride and responsibility for their children.

Yoda

06-08-07, 01:36 PM

If you guys want me to break those posts off into a The Breakfast Club thread, just say the word. :)

Anyway, regarding the rep situation: one MoFo sent me a message pointing out that it wouldn't be entirely fair to remove anonymity from a system that's been used with the assurance that it's anonymous. In other words, if anonymity is removed, it shouldn't be retroactive. That much, I think, we should all be able to agree on.

That said, I rather like Tacitus' idea of having only positive rep. I think negative rep is indispensable for larger sites (Digg (http://www.digg.com/) is a great example of this...too much traffic means lots of junk, which requires a method of obscuring it, as they do). For a more moderately sized site, though, I think it's more negotiable.

If no one has any serious objections, I'd like to make a few modifications and remove the negative rep sometime in the next week or so.

Assuming everybody's on board for this, what do you all think should be done with past rep? Should we wipe it clean and start over? Or simply ignore negative rep in the past? Naturally, in all scenarios all data will be saved, just in case any sort of rollback is necessary (or helpful) down the line.

Let me know what you think, MoFos.

Tacitus

06-08-07, 01:44 PM

I'm sure that a lot of people wouldn't want to lose the rep they've built up, I'd vote in that case to just ignore the negative.

I wouldn't have been for retroactively removing anonymity either, by the way. That can of worms can stay shut... :)

SamsoniteDelilah

06-08-07, 08:58 PM

Anyway, regarding the rep situation: one MoFo sent me a message pointing out that it wouldn't be entirely fair to remove anonymity from a system that's been used with the assurance that it's anonymous. In other words, if anonymity is removed, it shouldn't be retroactive. That much, I think, we should all be able to agree on.
aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhaha! Clearly, one of the four people who dinged me for starting this thead fears my wrath! bwahahaha! ::cough::

Anyway.

I could do without neg rep all together. I think just removing it from the picture would be cool.

adidasss

06-09-07, 05:35 AM

Damnit! And I was just starting to move up the all time neg rep charts...*vexed*;)

Pyro Tramp

06-09-07, 02:47 PM

Though some of it just makes me laugh, or puzzled at what really deserved neg rep, either way, it's all anonymous.

And most my negative rep comes from Jrs.

Tbh Sammy, i thought this thread was a joke when i opened.

Thanks for -ve rep, guessing it was Jrs.

adidasss

06-09-07, 04:04 PM

^^Lol...the cheeky bugger...;)

Thursday Next

06-09-07, 05:49 PM

I quite like negative rep...

It can be a good way for people to vent their negative feelings about something someone has said without sending them a comment or posting a message saying 'you're an idiot', avoiding bad feeling and threads descending into arguments. I don't think it is only used when people disagree with something someone has said, often if you've been neg repped it is the way you have said it that has got you the neg rep. (Not so much 'I don't like the Breakfast Club' as 'The Breakfast Club is a pile of stinking crap and so is everyone who watches it.')

Of course, it doesn't always work like that. And some people ^^ seem to be collecting negatve reputation (all publicity is good publicity, right, adi?)

adidasss

06-09-07, 06:01 PM

Hellz yeah!*smug*

SamsoniteDelilah

06-09-07, 06:04 PM

You're definitely making a name for yourself in the Neg Rep world, but I rule it in the last month. heh There are more nutless phlegm balls here than I even suspected!

adidasss

06-09-07, 06:17 PM

Puh-lease, it's just a fad. Besides, you have 3 more pos reps so I'm still the ******* of the month...*smug*

Holden Pike

06-09-07, 11:43 PM

Far be it from me to defend a system that has seen me earn more negative rep points (187) than infamous lightning rod Django and closing in closer and closer to Purandara88, but it never ceases to amuse me how upset (even in a mock board-like level of upset) members get when they receive "negative" rep.

There's always a contingent that are puzzled as to how they "earned" negative points for this post or that post that to them seems innocuous or just their opinion, but those same complainers never voice concern or bemusement when they get "positive" rep for posts that are equally innocuous or just their opinion. If anybody on this board had ever started a thread or complained like this, I'd be pleased as punch...

"Hey, in the 'What Have You Seen Lately?' thread last week I posted this...

shawshank redemtpion http://www.vanmega.com/photos/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif

To date I have received a +2 for this post. But this is totally unfair! I didn't elaborate on why I liked the movie, Hell I didn't even mention if this was my first time viewing it or my hundred and fifteenth. I also misspelled "redemption" in a typo. There's absolutely NO WAY this post deserves positive rep. Can the people who repped me please identify themselves? You've got some 'splainin' to do!"

Since most everybody treats the positive rep they get for posts that certainly don't "deserve" them as no big deal, it must be because they don't see positive rep as being held in reserve exclusively for anything particularly special. If it was a well-written, insightful post, sure you might get some rep and even should expect it, but just as likely you'll get plus points for adding a laughing face in response to somebody else's joke or because you said your favorite color is blue or whatever. That so many of these same people who don't give a flying fart if positive rep is thrown around like beads at Mardi Gras get downright nonplussed if they get negative rep for anything short of being mean or indefensible is silly. Negative rep can be used just as ridiculously and lightly as positive rep. At least, that's how I use it. I don't only give positive rep to members who write four paragraph in-depth reviews, and I don't only give negative rep to trolls spouting racist garbage.

To me doing away with the negative rep is pointless. If the decision is ultimately to get rid of the negative rep system, I move that we get rid of the rep system completely. Speaking (or typing) as the person with the most positive rep by far (1117), I'd rather have the entire system dismantled than it just become a virtual stroking device and nothing more. If the pre-school teacher gives gold stars to everyone who slops their painted hand to construction paper, then gold stars have no value. Either allow users to mix it up, for big or little things, positive or negative, or just get rid of it entirely.

I think. :indifferent:

7thson

06-10-07, 12:18 AM

In other words: It evens itself out: all good by me.

7thson

06-10-07, 12:26 AM

Anyway....it is not like the system is new or confusing: leave it alone I say.

Holden Pike

06-10-07, 12:30 AM

In other words: It evens itself out: all good by me.

That "it evens out" isn't my point at all. My point is that one's receiving positive rep points does not necessarily mean that your post was insightful or interesting or especially worthy. By the same token, receiving negative rep points does not necessarily mean that one's post was horrible, ugly or especially reactionary. Either have fun with the idea of the rep system and take everything, plus and minus, with a huge grain of virtual websalt or get rid of the entire system. I says.

Yoda, if you do decide to eliminate negative rep alone, is there a way you can take me off the rep grid completely? Make it impossible for me to give or receive rep points and remove my total? Once it becomes self-congratulatory pats on the backs and absolutely nothing more, I don't even want to know what my total is or be alerted when somebody is engaging in it.

7thson

06-10-07, 02:05 AM

That "it evens out" isn't my point at all.

Either way: leave it alone I say?

SamsoniteDelilah

06-10-07, 02:47 AM

Far be it from me to defend a system that has seen me earn more negative rep points (187) than infamous lightning rod Django and closing in closer and closer to Purandara88, but it never ceases to amuse me how upset (even in a mock board-like level of upset) members get when they receive "negative" rep.

There's always a contingent that are puzzled as to how they "earned" negative points for this post or that post that to them seems innocuous or just their opinion, but those same complainers never voice concern or bemusement when they get "positive" rep for posts that are equally innocuous or just their opinion. If anybody on this board had ever started a thread or complained like this, I'd be pleased as punch...

Since most everybody treats the positive rep they get for posts that certainly don't "deserve" them as no big deal, it must be because they don't see positive rep as being held in reserve exclusively for anything particularly special. If it was a well-written, insightful post, sure you might get some rep and even should expect it, but just as likely you'll get plus points for adding a laughing face in response to somebody else's joke or because you said your favorite color is blue or whatever. That so many of these same people who don't give a flying fart if positive rep is thrown around like beads at Mardi Gras get downright nonplussed if they get negative rep for anything short of being mean or indefensible is silly. Negative rep can be used just as ridiculously and lightly as positive rep. At least, that's how I use it. I don't only give positive rep to members who write four paragraph in-depth reviews, and I don't only give negative rep to trolls spouting racist garbage.

To me doing away with the negative rep is pointless. If the decision is ultimately to get rid of the negative rep system, I move that we get rid of the rep system completely. Speaking (or typing) as the person with the most positive rep by far (1117), I'd rather have the entire system dismantled than it just become a virtual stroking device and nothing more. If the pre-school teacher gives gold stars to everyone who slops their painted hand to construction paper, then gold stars have no value. Either allow users to mix it up, for big or little things, positive or negative, or just get rid of it entirely.

I think. :indifferent:
I agree with everything you said except the blue bit. The fact that you're observing people getting bunched up about negative rep is proof that it can not be thrown around as freely, even though when you do it it's of equal weight. You assign it with equal weight, but people's responses illustrate that it isn't received the same.

As for the rep system being meaningless without negative points, I don't remember there being negative points when I got here. It was a matter of how many points a person had that made a distinction, not whether they were getting or losing single points. Or, I misremember it. Either way.

Holden Pike

06-10-07, 04:46 AM

I agree with everything you said except the blue bit. The fact that you're observing people getting bunched up about negative rep is proof that it can not be thrown around as freely, even though when you do it it's of equal weight. You assign it with equal weight, but people's responses illustrate that it isn't received the same.

That you and a handful of others don't seem take it the same as positive says more about you than either the system or those dolling out the dreaded, horrible negative rep (ack, no, NOT THAT!). Ask yourself why you care if somebody gives you "negative reputation" for a frivolous post you don't think "deserves" it but are happy or at the very least silent when you get "positive reputation" for posts that don't deserve it either. What are you, six-years-old? You've been such a bright and very welcome addition to the board, I can't imagine why you care in the slightest what your negative rep total is. Read that sentence aloud. It's a ridiculous thing to be concerned about. Do you really not know if you are liked by the regulars and those you engage in discussions with and play games with here at MoFo? Come on.

As for the rep system being meaningless without negative points, I don't remember there being negative points when I got here. It was a matter of how many points a person had that made a distinction, not whether they were getting or losing single points. Or, I misremember it. Either way.

Yes, of course negative points were in play when the bars or "lightsabers" were the denotation of rep total. Just ask the Djangos of the board (you know, if they were still around).

Why not just make all the rep positive, and not only that but make its value up to the person giving it? That way you can get, like, three-zillion and sixteen super-good we-like-you points from somebody who has the same birthday as you and also bought that album you were talking about for a grand total of ∞♥!!! Yippee!

I wish I had a total of hotpink-infinity-heart. But I guess nobody likes me, Eeyore.

:indifferent:

Tacitus

06-10-07, 07:43 AM

Why not just make all the rep positive, and not only that but make its value up to the person giving it? That way you can get, like, three-zillion and sixteen super-good we-like-you points from somebody who has the same birthday as you and also bought that album you were talking about for a grand total of ∞♥!!! Yippee!

:indifferent:

So, basically what you've been saying is "I use the system properly so lets keep it", no?

Far be it from me to ask you to teach all members how to give rep or even tell those to 'lighten up' who are mystified as to why they were negged about something. I'm sure that your time is more precious than that.

My main problem here is the anonymity - if you see the whole rep-giving process as grazing through a few pages, mouse in one hand and cigar/Mars bar/double entendre in the other and firing off the odd click, I think it devalues and trivialises the whole process.

If rep is such a trivial thing then why have it, positive or negative, at all?

The old system was flawed, mainly for the reasons mentioned further up in the thread but I think the new one is flawed to the same extent. Is sifting through a site muttering "Yeah, I agree *click*" or "Nah, I disagree *click*" any better than breaking into a discussion and saying that you think the poster's assertion that 'Kurosawa's use of bunny rabbits is retarded, man' is unfounded because he actually cast more hares?

If people getting rep because they happen to remember someone's birthday annoys you (and, I suppose, trivialises the rep-giving process) then why not confine any new system to the cinematic part of the site (ie: everything apart from the Miscellaneous section)?

Lastly, if you think that some of us are posting here because we get annoyed when someone negs us then, speaking personally at least, you're so wide of the mark that you're pointing to your left ear with your right hand. When I get a red mark, the first thought that enters my head is "I wonder why?" Obviously you're not gonna have the same reaction when you get positive rep because you wouldn't have posted in the first place if you thought what you were saying was incorrect.

Yoda

06-10-07, 12:49 PM

When I get a red mark, the first thought that enters my head is "I wonder why?" Obviously you're not gonna have the same reaction when you get positive rep because you wouldn't have posted in the first place if you thought what you were saying was incorrect.
Not "incorrect," but certainly uninsightful. There are tons of posts here that are just about making a minor clarification, wishing someone a Happy Birthday, throwing a flirtatious smilie out there, or simply disagreeing with something sans elaboration. None of these things are "incorrect," but none of them are necessarily deserving of positive rep, either, and I'm sure people posting them must know as much.

The idea behind rep is to seperate the insightful, thought-out posts from the rest. The inclusion of negative rep is there to discourage the opposite to some degree and, in extreme cases, to discourage rude or impolite members. If people mark posts in accordance with these basic principles, that allows me to do all sorts of cool things with rankings, Posts of the Day/Week/Month, etc. It also allows me to create "filters" so the site can hide posts from highly neg-repped members from members who don't want to see them.

If people mark things frivelously, then those results would be rather meaningless, and the rep system becomes nothing more than self-esteem booster/crusher, depending on who you are. Not nearly as useful.

For what it's worth, Holden's right about negative rep. It simply should not be as dreaded as it is, and there's no doubt that almost every member is far more likely to question negative rep they don't understand far more than positive rep. We all give ourselves the benefit of the doubt.

However, I'll differ with Holden in that I don't think removing negative rep is pointless. It's okay if goofy, uninsightful posts get positive rep, so long as the really good ones get more. That would still allow me to program in all the cool rankings and such that can make the system so useful.

Yoda

06-10-07, 12:54 PM

Yoda, if you do decide to eliminate negative rep alone, is there a way you can take me off the rep grid completely? Make it impossible for me to give or receive rep points and remove my total? Once it becomes self-congratulatory pats on the backs and absolutely nothing more, I don't even want to know what my total is or be alerted when somebody is engaging in it.
Yes, I think I could probably do that. I'd likely make an attempt to persuade you to stick with it, though, because I wouldn't do it if I wasn't convinced there was still some value to it.

Sadly, a lot of this comes down to people simply using the system in the way it was intended. I've never set out "rules" for repping, but everytime I've introduced or modified a rep system, I've laid out some guidelines that, if followed, would make the system quite useful. These aren't generally followed, unfortunately, and I don't know of any way to make sure that they are without becoming downright draconian.

The only things that strike me at the moment is either a rep approval process (where moderators just make sure the rep isn't for something totally absurd or congratulatory), or else moderator-only rep. Both have an (admittedly very mild) dictatorial tint, though.

OG-

06-10-07, 01:22 PM

People pay attention to rep? I didn't even know there was a Highest Rated Users list until this thread.

It doesn't matter to me if there is a plus or a minus sign if there is no name to go along with it. Tie the two back together. If people actually care about the nominal value of a virtual point - negative or positive - make it so that a comment of a minimum character length must be left, otherwise it is only worth a tiny fraction of the 'value'.

With comment, a full +/- 1. Without comment, +/- 1/5th. Whatever the values, leave words. Numbers without contextual representation are ultimately valueless.

Sexy Celebrity

06-10-07, 02:32 PM

People pay attention to rep? I didn't even know there was a Highest Rated Users list until this thread.

OK, I have been looking for it, but I cannot find a Highest Rated Users list anywhere. Do only certain people - moderators? - see that?

7thson

06-10-07, 02:33 PM

OK, I have been looking for it, but I cannot find a Highest Rated Users list anywhere. Do only certain people - moderators? - see that?

http://www.movieforums.com/community/ratings.php?

Sexy Celebrity

06-10-07, 02:36 PM

http://www.movieforums.com/community/ratings.php?

You are so helpful! You deserve positive rep for that! And (((((((hugs))))))))

Tacitus

06-10-07, 04:13 PM

It doesn't matter to me if there is a plus or a minus sign if there is no name to go along with it. Tie the two back together. If people actually care about the nominal value of a virtual point - negative or positive - make it so that a comment of a minimum character length must be left, otherwise it is only worth a tiny fraction of the 'value'.

With comment, a full +/- 1. Without comment, +/- 1/5th. Whatever the values, leave words. Numbers without contextual representation are ultimately valueless.

Now that I like. ;)

bleacheddecay

06-10-07, 04:33 PM

I admit, that I care far too much about what random strangers that I don't care about and who really don't know me do on a rating system like this. It's absolutely amazing.

The positive and negatives seem to have little rhyme or reason. I got a negative for asking someone why and how they felt a movie changed their life.

I didn't ask that in a mean way or to be mean but simply to learn what their POV is. I find that interesting. The answer was very informative and rather cool. I don't think the person I asked took offense but later someone did. *shrugs* I think it's only wise to ask a question when you want to know something. I love seeing other POV's.

However I do not enjoy debate or arguing at all. Anyone who gets their jollys that way isn't going to be having long back and forth posts with me for very long. It's just not my thing.

I mostly try to give out positive points.

However when someone is very insulting (usually not to me but to someone else), for no reason, I tend to throw in a neg.

Ash_Lee

06-10-07, 05:54 PM

I just wish people would leave a message or something. Don't just neg me with no explanation because, oh I don't know, I said I'd be happy to go and see a film that was advertised as a "No.1 Box Office Hit!" (http://movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=369740)

For example.

bleacheddecay

06-10-07, 05:57 PM

Wow I'm taking some hits today!

Ash_Lee

06-10-07, 06:05 PM

http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/body_snatchers.jpg
It was YOU!

bleacheddecay

06-10-07, 06:53 PM

I don't know who you are refering too but.

Great pic. That's one of my fav moments in that movie.

bleacheddecay

06-10-07, 08:04 PM

Now that I like. ;)

Me too.

I've gotten four neg today alone, most from my original post on this thread. Interesting.

SamsoniteDelilah

06-10-07, 08:56 PM

That you and a handful of others don't seem take it the same as positive says more about you than either the system or those dolling out the dreaded, horrible negative rep (ack, no, NOT THAT!). Ask yourself why you care if somebody gives you "negative reputation" for a frivolous post you don't think "deserves" it but are happy or at the very least silent when you get "positive reputation" for posts that don't deserve it either. What are you, six-years-old? You've been such a bright and very welcome addition to the board, I can't imagine why you care in the slightest what your negative rep total is. Read that sentence aloud. It's a ridiculous thing to be concerned about. Do you really not know if you are liked by the regulars and those you engage in discussions with and play games with here at MoFo? Come on.

Mostly though: getting negative rep doesn't bother me (much) in terms of my 'score'. I have rep to burn, frankly - I once asked Yoda to remove a hundred or so posts off my rep, just because it seemed overly inflated to me. The problem is that there are people taking the rep route in lieu of actual discussion. I'm here to interact with people, discuss ideas, have the occasional debate - not to have my opinions graded. I enjoy having an intelligent discussion with a person when they disagree with me about something, and I feel like that's getting left in the dust in favor of the rep thing.
Come on y'self.

Yes, of course negative points were in play when the bars or "lightsabers" were the denotation of rep total. Just ask the Djangos of the board (you know, if they were still around).
Yeah, it seems to me that it was the Djangos who got negative points then, and I guess I assumed that non-trolls weren't getting it. It seemed to me before that people disagreed on the boards, which looked a lot like discussion, instead of using it to articulate their disagreement when words failed.

Why not just make all the rep positive, and not only that but make its value up to the person giving it? That way you can get, like, three-zillion and sixteen super-good we-like-you points from somebody who has the same birthday as you and also bought that album you were talking about for a grand total of ∞♥!!! Yippee!

I wish I had a total of hotpink-infinity-heart. But I guess nobody likes me, Eeyore.

:indifferent:
This was an impressive rant. Some people around here should take note that it's entirely possible to disagree, vehemently and with hyperbole and drippy sarcasm, and STILL not have to rely on the rep system to make their point. That's all I'm saying. I'd take a hundred spleeny posts like this one over one anonymous negative rep - and not (stick with me on this, big guy) because I give an eighth of a crap about the POINTS but because I come here for the discussion.

nebbit

06-11-07, 05:46 AM

All I have to add to this debate is: Why would anyone, want to neg rep our Sammy http://bestsmileys.com/thinking/6.gif

Rep, Means nothing to me :laugh: but I was quite jealous of Pikeys + rep count :mad:

Yoda

06-11-07, 12:09 PM

Oh boy. Currently, the following suggestions have all been made in this thread:

Remove anonymity
Remove negative rep
Remove all rep
Leave rep the way it is
Require comments
Weigh rep points based on whether or not a reason was given
Confine rep to the movie-related forumsI'm sure you can see my predicament.

Regarding comments/reasons for negative rep: there are two significant problems with any suggestion involving either the requirement of a comment, or else a partial-point deduction for failing to do so:

First, we can't require that the reason be a good one, or even be anything other than gibberish. The only way to make sure the comments would be meaningful would be to also remove the system's anonymity, so that people have to account for their comments.

Second, we don't want whole, entire reasons in tiny rep boxes; we want them in posts! That's one of the recurring complaints in this thread: that negative repping happens in lieu of a reasoned response. I don't want to do anything which encourages that any further.

Let's not lose sight of the forum's main goal: discussion about film. And let's not lose sight of the rep system's main goal: quantifying community opinion about which posts are the most insightful/helpful. I'm sure there are benefits to letting people vent frustration or disperse praise via rep points, but it's really about getting a more accurate, tangible picture of the best that the site has to offer.

Equilibrium

06-11-07, 02:19 PM

I'd hate to add another one to the list...but i think the current rep system is really cool..i like how you can see which posts got what..

i would add two things though:

comments..as many suggested when i get a negative rep..i like to know why...not to argue against it but just to know whats a sensitive subject and what not

a visible rank....i liked the idea of showing how high people are rated ..the more little green boxes the better....it was a really good incentive to get newbies (like myself at the time) to post more insightful things for hopes of getting that status. Everytime another green box was added i went into a fit of joy and posted some more...i sound like a complete nerd with no life...however..those green little boxes made me cyber happy. haha.

otherwise, chris, i really commend you on this site..its come a very long way since i was first around (about 5 years). I was actually an unregistered user for at least a year i think..anyways..seriously nice job.

bleacheddecay

06-11-07, 02:46 PM

Since I posted on this thread I've gotten a butt load (7) of negative points with no discussion. I've attempted to discuss with others but so far as I know no one has with me. That's ok though, it is what it is.

I also got 2 positive points with no discussion but one did come with a comment. Thank you to those people. Particularly the one who also sent a comment! *smiles*

All the neg and pos has been simply for attempting to discuss what I honestly think about all this. It was a discussion the OP wanted. It was a discussion she got though she didn't discuss anything with me per se.

When I got a lot of pos marks I made an effort to give out pos marks to others as I thought various people and posts deserved them, btw. As I said previously, I am not a negative person and rarely like to give out neg points. Occasionally when someone is attacking others on a personal level, for no reason, I will.

I say to the people in charge. Screw the whiners. Don't change anything unless YOU want to. This site is great.

The more neg points I get the less I care about them. They may, someday, set me free of worry about anonymous neg points from people, I basically don't even know. Most of them seem to be done for either capricious and petty reasons anyway. It's not going to stop me from posting what I think regardless.

I've never been a follow the crowd sort. My tastes and opinions could be termed eclectic at best.

The work y'all do on this site is appreciated by me and by many I'm sure. I sure wouldn't want to do it. I'm glad someone has. You are to be commended.

nebbit

06-11-07, 06:39 PM

Since I posted on this thread I've gotten a butt load (7) of negative points with no discussion. I've attempted to discuss with others but so far as I know no one has with me. That's ok though, it is what it is.
7, what is wrong with people :confused:

I say to the people in charge. Screw the whiners. Don't change anything unless YOU want to. This site is great.
:yup:

The more neg points I get the less I care about them. Most of them seem to be done for either capricious and petty reasons anyway. It's not going to stop me from posting what I think regardless.
Good :)

7thson

06-11-07, 11:39 PM

7, what is wrong with people

I thought you were asking me for a sec; I was gonna say I have no clue Nebs, but they need to lighten up. But since you were not asking me nm....:)

nebbit

06-12-07, 03:59 AM

I thought you were asking me for a sec; I was gonna say I have no clue Nebs, but they need to lighten up. But since you were not asking me nm....:)
Such a connoisseur of quality movies that you are, you would never neg. rep people, well only people who don't like Flash ;D

Tacitus

06-12-07, 07:45 AM

First, we can't require that the reason be a good one, or even be anything other than gibberish. The only way to make sure the comments would be meaningful would be to also remove the system's anonymity, so that people have to account for their comments.

I'd assumed that (from OG's suggestion, anyway) by leaving a comment, positive or negative, you would automatically reveal your identity, whereas choosing to remain mute meant that you were still shielded by the cloak of night...

If your name was attached to any comment you wanted to make then you'd surely think twice before typing "fgfgfgfgfg" or "Yoo sUxXxX000rRrR!!!"

I might be grossly overestimating the collective MoFo intelligence here (and not accounting for the occasional 10 post hop-and-run merchant that every site gets) but I doubt it. ;)

Second, we don't want whole, entire reasons in tiny rep boxes; we want them in posts! That's one of the recurring complaints in this thread: that negative repping happens in lieu of a reasoned response. I don't want to do anything which encourages that any further.Excuse me while I refer to you by your real name: It should be possible to limit the number of characters in the comments box, Shirley?

You've got some thinking to do, boss. :D

Monkeypunch

06-12-07, 09:48 AM

Ummm, this thread alone seems to be a magnet for jokers who like to give negative rep points arbitrarily, so I am officially bowing out of it. lol

Thursday Next

06-20-07, 04:32 PM

Escape

06-21-07, 04:17 AM

I'm slightly loath to throw out yet another suggestion about what we could do with the rep system, but what about making it removable? So if your finger slipped and you clicked the thumbs down by accident, or what the post said wasn't as offensive as you first thought etc, you could take it back?
Better yet. How about making it removable for the receiver. So for instance I can have nothing but goooooooood rep and delete all those nasty ol' mean negative reps so it will make me feel warm and fuzzy all over. Yay for my idea!! :king:

OK, I'm acting stupid right now so I'll go away.

SamsoniteDelilah

06-22-07, 01:04 AM

Either way: leave it alone I say?
I love the question mark here.
Grow a pair, or I'll eat your spleen.
I'll wait while you consult with Holden on how to respond. :furiousdevil:

7thson

06-22-07, 01:16 AM

I love the question mark here.
Grow a pair, or I'll eat your spleen.
I'll wait while you consult with Holden on how to respond. :furiousdevil:

I think you are way off base, why: Because Holds and I rarely see eye to eye and I think he is usually a rude Ahole. But he is what he is, and I am not gonna kiss his arse or yours. I am who I am and if that is something you do not care for then You grow a pair and say so. When I put a question mark at the end of a sentence that means it is a question. I am asking other's opinions because I am curious and not close minded, because darling I am wrong a lot, and I admit it when I am, but I also think about what others have to say and sometimes what they have to say makes me change my mind. I have 5 kids and have been to war and have eaten turnips, I have a pair ty very much.

So: leave it alone I say?
Sometimes people read between the lines and there is nothing between them.

SamsoniteDelilah

06-22-07, 01:28 AM

I think you are way off base, why: Because Holds and I rarely see eye to eye and I think he is usually a rude Ahole. But he is what he is, and I am not gonna kiss his arse or yours. I am who I am and if that is something you do not care for then You grow a pair and say so. When I put a question mark at the end of a sentence that means it is a question. I am asking other's opinions because I am curious and not close minded, because darling I am wrong a lot, and I admit it when I am, but I also think about what others have to say and sometimes what they have to say makes me change my mind. I have 5 kids and have been to war and have eaten turnips, I have a pair ty very much.

So: leave it alone I say?
Sometimes people read between the lines and there is nothing between them.
My mistake then. I mistook your bad grammar for spinelessness. I much prefer the first.

You get no points for eating turnips.
For that matter, you don't get many for the rest of your life either, frankly. I'm 41. I've been through stuff you can't imagine and I'm not going to qualify my remarks here by parading my personal life. Your opinion is one person's opinion, just as is adidasss' or Yoda's or Aniko's. If you have an opinion, haul it out. Don't apologize for it, don't pretend I'm a big meanie because I question you about it and don't pretend that your life makes you special. We all are. Our lives have made every one of us special and we deserve to be able to state our opinions without being assailed by people who can't own up to theirs. Hence, this thread.

7thson

06-22-07, 01:40 AM

My mistake then. I mistook your bad grammar for spinelessness. I much prefer the first.

You get no points for eating turnips.
For that matter, you don't get many for the rest of your life either, frankly. I'm 41. I've been through stuff you can't imagine and I'm not going to qualify my remarks here by parading my personal life. Your opinion is one person's opinion, just as is adidasss' or Yoda's or Aniko's. If you have an opinion, haul it out. Don't apologize for it, don't pretend I'm a big meanie because I question you about it and don't pretend that your life makes you special. We all are. Our lives have made every one of us special and we deserve to be able to state our opinions without being assailed by people who can't own up to theirs. Hence, this thread.

I never have asked for points for anything, and in no way do I think I am better than anyone else, I was just responding to your request for me to grow a pair. And I do not pretend to say that you are a big meanie, you are.:) Seriously though I sometimes post with the idea that others have seen all my previous posts and should understand where I come from and that is a bit egotistical I know, so yeah you are right about the "bad grammar" statement. All I can say is that I am me, and I never ask anyones else permission to voice my opinion, yes that gets me into trouble, but if nothing else I am gonna be honest.

Also: believe it or not, I agree with you on many things, and I read a lot of what you have to say, along with a few other regulars. My time here on MOFO tends to be mostly reading and learning and sharing, but I need to spend more time responding on a regular basis, I will try to do so.

SamsoniteDelilah

06-22-07, 02:06 AM

... I need to spend more time responding on a regular basis, I will try to do so.
Yay!

And I am most certainly NOT a meanie. I think there are few things more mean than pettiness and making people feel like their opinions should not be heard. This thread is a strike against those who do that.

nebbit

06-22-07, 03:19 AM

I need to spend more time responding on a regular basis, I will try to do so.
I think so :yup: as I like http://bestsmileys.com/reading/5.gif your posts :yup:

Yoda

06-22-07, 11:54 AM

Sorry for the delays everyone; I've had a lot going on lately.

Anyway, I'm going to try to give this a lot more thought over the next few days, and hopefully come to a decision as to how to proceed. I think some kind of change is going to be inevitable, be it a simple limit on the number of times you can rep one person in one day, or else a complete overhaul.

Unfortunately, there seems to be little to no consensus as to how things should be handled. There are probably a half-dozen reasonable possibilities that have been advocated here, so I don't imagine this will be a particularly easy choice, nor am I 100% confident that it will be permanent.

I do have one idea that is very outside the box, though, that I'll bandy about a little and then run by everyone when I've worked out a few specifics.

7thson

06-22-07, 02:16 PM

I think so :yup: as I like http://bestsmileys.com/reading/5.gif your posts :yup:

Thanks, how much money did we agree on me sending to you for posting this? I forgot. :)

John McClane

06-22-07, 02:40 PM

Without negative rep, the positive rep just wouldn't feel as good. :D

bleacheddecay

06-22-07, 03:04 PM

I love the question mark here.
Grow a pair, or I'll eat your spleen.
I'll wait while you consult with Holden on how to respond. :furiousdevil:

My mistake then. I mistook your bad grammar for spinelessness. I much prefer the first.

You get no points for eating turnips.
For that matter, you don't get many for the rest of your life either, frankly. I'm 41. I've been through stuff you can't imagine and I'm not going to qualify my remarks here by parading my personal life. Your opinion is one person's opinion, just as is adidasss' or Yoda's or Aniko's. If you have an opinion, haul it out. Don't apologize for it, don't pretend I'm a big meanie because I question you about it and don't pretend that your life makes you special. We all are. Our lives have made every one of us special and we deserve to be able to state our opinions without being assailed by people who can't own up to theirs. Hence, this thread.

Wait a minute. So you don't consider the above posts to be mean and unprovoked unwarranted attacks on someone?

I've agreed with some of your posts on other threads. I thought well of you on them but this doesn't strike me as constructive. They strike me as petty. They also make me think you are trying to be agitating in order to start a series of possible posts, arguments or debate which you have stated that you enjoy.

bleacheddecay

06-22-07, 03:20 PM

nebbit

06-22-07, 06:12 PM

Thanks, how much money did we agree on me sending to you for posting this? I forgot. :)
I will pm you with the final amt :modest:

SamsoniteDelilah

06-23-07, 06:35 PM

Wait a minute. So you don't consider the above posts to be mean and unprovoked unwarranted attacks on someone?
Nope. Here's why: I've attempted to engage 7thson on several occasions in CON-VER-SA-TION and all I have to say to him is, "what did you mean there?" and he runs away crying.

I've agreed with some of your posts on other threads. I thought well of you on them but this doesn't strike me as constructive. They strike me as petty. They also make me think you are trying to be agitating in order to start a series of possible posts, arguments or debate which you have stated that you enjoy.
I'm not being petty at all. I'm asking to be treated fairly and directly, rather than getting -repped only to find absolutely NO conversation addressed to the post that was repped. It's retarded. You can think that's petty if you want, but you'll be crazy. It's up to you.

As to whether I'm agitating: YES. I am. I am attempting to provoke some conversation. This place has gone all Listmania (with idiots repping other people for their lists, no less! AND WITHOUT COMMENT!!!) and toomblike. It's Summer (in much of the world) and there are more people crusing the place and more likely to respond if there are some lively conversations going. And I'm not talking about "Which Celebrity Would You Like To F*ck" - somebody mention PETTY???!!!

I'm not trolling, mind you: I'm not attacking anyone. I'm making some points about the system. And about 7thson being a gigantic girlieman, but he's earned that several times. If I could be said to attack anyone here, it would be Yoda, since he designed the system, and I don't see him sweating it. Also, as stated above, I have rep to burn, so I'm in a great position to take the heat for a thread like this.

I am sorry that you got -'d for your posts in this thread - but that does illustrate the point of the thread, does it not? I will be +ing everyone who responded, but sadly there are more nutless little phlegmballs than I even guessed here and I can only + you once a post.

nebbit

06-23-07, 06:57 PM

It's Summer (in much of the world) and there are more people crusing the place and more likely to respond if there are some lively conversations going. And I'm not talking about "Which Celebrity Would You Like To F*ck" - somebody mention PETTY???!!!
Good point :yup:..................buuuuuuuuuut who would you want to, you know, F**k http://bestsmileys.com/wink/3.gif

7thson

06-23-07, 07:26 PM

Comment from Samsonite to me:

I didn't give you any rep at all for your posts in the rep thread - what kind of hypocrite do you take me for? I RESPECT people who disagree with me civilly, you butt-faced buffoon. For your information, I have just given you two positive reps in that thread, randomly, because I think whoever -'d you sucks. In the future, be a better judge of people. Ass.
Also in this thread:
I love the question mark here.
Grow a pair, or I'll eat your spleen.
I'll wait while you consult with Holden on how to respond. :furiousdevil:

I may have been wrong and if I am I can say I am sorry, unlike: "My mistake then" I cannot even remember what I said to you in my comment that upset you, could you remind me? I mean other than an accusation? If i said something off color it certainly was no unprovoked, but I was drinking the other night and really do not remember. That is not an excuse for anything I may have said and sometimes I get excited so again whatever I said to upset you I am sorry. It really does not matter at this point to me who hit me with neg reps for just saying to leave the rep system status quo and like I have said before I am who I am. I thought (and yes I believe you if you say that I am wrong) that you gave me neg rep for agreeing with Holden, even though as he stated I was off base. If that makes me a "girlieman" then thats what I am.
http://www.drunkendata.com/wp-content/conan.jpg
I know you do not want an apology from me, you would rather I spit and cursed and called you names. So here is the best I can do:

I think I answered your accusation well enough, but whatever. You are looking to start a fire or fan it, and I have to say that I am not looking for an online feud. I can debate, but the "Trump, Rosie" slinging is not my style.

This Butt-faced -nut less-buffoon is done with the name slinging from you.
I would sling back, but I have to check with Holden first to see if it is ok. You can respond or not as you will, but I am going to go cry in my corner now and will not have anything else to say about this. If that bothers you just pretend that you are right and I have nothing between my legs and whatever else suits your fancy.
I will change my Avatar to a jellyfish for a day or so just to let everyone else know I have no spine. It will be a patriotic one though.

bleacheddecay

06-23-07, 08:10 PM

Nope. Here's why: I've attempted to engage 7thson on several occasions in CON-VER-SA-TION and all I have to say to him is, "what did you mean there?" and he runs away crying.

I'm not being petty at all. I'm asking to be treated fairly and directly, rather than getting -repped only to find absolutely NO conversation addressed to the post that was repped. It's retarded. You can think that's petty if you want, but you'll be crazy. It's up to you.

As to whether I'm agitating: YES. I am. I am attempting to provoke some conversation. This place has gone all Listmania (with idiots repping other people for their lists, no less! AND WITHOUT COMMENT!!!) and toomblike. It's Summer (in much of the world) and there are more people crusing the place and more likely to respond if there are some lively conversations going. And I'm not talking about "Which Celebrity Would You Like To F*ck" - somebody mention PETTY???!!!

I'm not trolling, mind you: I'm not attacking anyone. I'm making some points about the system. And about 7thson being a gigantic girlieman, but he's earned that several times. If I could be said to attack anyone here, it would be Yoda, since he designed the system, and I don't see him sweating it. Also, as stated above, I have rep to burn, so I'm in a great position to take the heat for a thread like this.

I am sorry that you got -'d for your posts in this thread - but that does illustrate the point of the thread, does it not? I will be +ing everyone who responded, but sadly there are more nutless little phlegmballs than I even guessed here and I can only + you once a post.

I don't agree with you on most of what you've said on this thread.

I also don't mind *who'd you'd like to *****type threads because that sort of thing can be fun.

Attacking others I do mind, particularly when you and you alone decide if you are in fact, being petty and what other's say makes no difference. Instead of creating conversation that sort of thing shuts it down.

SamsoniteDelilah

06-23-07, 08:32 PM

I don't agree with you on most of what you've said on this thread.
Unless when you said this: "All the neg and pos has been simply for attempting to discuss what I honestly think about all this. It was a discussion the OP wanted. It was a discussion she got though she didn't discuss anything with me per se." you forgot to add "and that's terriffic!!", we DO agree.

The fact that you got anonymous rep for posting your opinion in a perfectly civil way is exactly what "the whiners" (your description) are talking about.

I also don't mind *who'd you'd like to *****type threads because that sort of thing can be fun.[/quote]
So it's ok to be petty if YOU do it. Noted.

Attacking others I do mind, particularly when you and you alone decide if you are in fact, being petty and what other's say makes no difference. Instead of creating conversation that sort of thing shuts it down.
You run your posts through a committee first? You and YOU ALONE, bleacheddecay, decide what you think is fair for you to say. That's true of everyone here. What you said to me about being petty made no difference because you were making a judgement based on partial info. I gave you the rest of the story and clearly THAT made no difference. So there's your complaint back.

bleacheddecay

06-23-07, 09:23 PM

No, on this thread we don't agree. I didn't "forget" to add anything.

So now, you've actually addressed me. That's good to a certain extent since you were the one who said you wanted discussion.

Oh, but wait, since it seems you don't really listen to anyone but yourself, it's now clear to me why you always need to stir things up for more people to "discuss" with.

A debate or argument will always be relentlessly circular and a complete waste of my time. Noted.

No it's not okay to be petty if you are hurting someone else on this board by posting direct things such as I will eat your spleen for no particular reason. You will never find me making such comments. In fact, you won't find most people on any board making such comments. Only the agitators do that.

Saying you'd like to **** someone usually means you think they are hot, that's a compliment and it's a bit of fun, NOT an attack. That's more like a game and not directed at your fellow forum posters. I think you already knew that though.

As for committees and posts judgment, again that is a circular argument. If you wish to do that sort of thing you'll have to do it with someone else.

SamsoniteDelilah

06-23-07, 10:24 PM

No, on this thread we don't agree. I didn't "forget" to add anything.

So now, you've actually addressed me. That's good to a certain extent since you were the one who said you wanted discussion.
I... had already... addressed you...? :confused:

Oh, but wait, since it seems you don't really listen to anyone but yourself, it's now clear to me why you always need to stir things up for more people to "discuss" with.
Uhm... If I only listened to me, then I wouldn't logically seek out the opinions of other people, especially those who disagree with me.

A debate or argument will always be relentlessly circular and a complete waste of my time. Noted.
It's not circular, you're just dizzy. :goof:

No it's not okay to be petty if you are hurting someone else on this board by posting direct things such as I will eat your spleen for no particular reason. You will never find me making such comments. In fact, you won't find most people on any board making such comments. Only the agitators do that.
Or, people employing hyperbole. I get nauseated at the idea of blood pudding lady. I wouldn't eat a spleen if you served it with gnocchi.

Saying you'd like to **** someone usually means you think they are hot, that's a compliment and it's a bit of fun, NOT an attack. That's more like a game and not directed at your fellow forum posters. I think you already knew that though.

As for committees and posts judgment, again that is a circular argument. If you wish to do that sort of thing you'll have to do it with someone else.Seems not, actually.

While we're chit-chatting here, bleachy... you've chided me for keeping my own counsel, and then bragged that you don't care what other people think. I'm wondering how many of your PC Posting Committee are actually residing in your own head. Care to comment?

bleacheddecay

06-23-07, 11:41 PM

You clearly are deliberately misreading and/or misinterpreting what I've said. You are well on your way to making this an art form. Congratulations.

adidasss

06-24-07, 12:35 PM

:rotfl: ...this is some awesome reading....

nebbit

06-27-07, 07:32 PM

Here we go again :mad: I have been neg. rep'd 3 times in one day :rolleyes: I don't mind but when they don't put a reason :rolleyes: gutless I say :yup:

bleacheddecay

06-27-07, 08:01 PM

That's crazy. I've never seen a post of yours that called for a neg rep.

nebbit

06-27-07, 08:47 PM

That's crazy. I've never seen a post of yours that called for a neg. rep.
Some people just do it, for something to do, I looked at the ones they neg. rep me for, there was only one that could have upset someone, especially if they are anti Israel :yup: and that is ok if they are, but I haven't neg. rep'd them :nope: I only neg. rep someone if they are being rude or nasty, but that's me :yup:

bleacheddecay

06-27-07, 10:19 PM

Some people just do it, for something to do, I looked at the ones they neg. rep me for, there was only one that could have upset someone, especially if they are anti Israel :yup: and that is ok if they are, but I haven't neg. rep'd them :nope: I only neg. rep someone if they are being rude or nasty, but that's me :yup:

I do it that way also.

*nods*

You should be a little ahead overall for today now.

:up:

nebbit

06-27-07, 10:52 PM

That is sweet of you :kiss:

Thursday Next

06-29-07, 06:16 AM

I only neg. rep someone if they are being rude or nasty, but that's me :yup:

If that's how you do it, that's fine, but I keep thinking back to a post someone (Holden?) made earlier in the thread about how undeserved neg reps are a big deal and everyone things it's dreadful to give neg rep for anything less heinous than insulting their mother, but ok to give positive rep for saying 'happy birthday' or whatever.

I give negative rep for:

1. Offensiveness (e.g. 'I hate gays' etc.)
2. General mean spiritedness. I don't mean all sarcasm and put downs, because it would be a dull place without them. But picking on people, making perosnal remarks in debates or being nasty to newbies because they haven't used the search facility, that kind of thing.
3. Sheer stupidity. Ok, this one's more subjective, but I mean the real stupid stuff, like posting 'I luv Norbit it's da bomb' in a thread on French film, for example (Not that that's ever happened. I hope :eek:)

I give positive rep for:

1. Interesting and well thought out reviews
2. Something that someone has gone to a lot of effort to do, if it's interesting - like some of the stuff on the AFI thread.
3. A point well made, regardless of how long the post is.
4. Something that amuses me.

Yeah, sometimes it is unfair, but the undeserved positives usually balance out the undeserved negatives. And if not, you can always complain and someone will give you some positive rep and a hug to make up for it... ;) Personally, I hope anonymous rep is here to stay.

I will no doubt get neg rep for saying this but I would be a hypocrite if I cared...

nebbit

06-29-07, 08:19 AM

If that's how you do it, that's fine, but I keep thinking back to a post someone (Holden?) made earlier in the thread about how undeserved neg. reps are a big deal and everyone things it's dreadful to give neg. rep for anything less heinous than insulting their mother, but ok to give positive rep for saying 'happy birthday' or whatever.
I just really don't give neg. rep, I have only given it a few times in all the years I have been here, I have my share of neg. rep, I just don't fell angry at people in general so no need to neg. rep them. I would be happy if we didn't have it, just comments with no value + or - :yup:

I will no doubt get neg. rep for saying this but I would be a hypocrite if I cared...
Not from me :nope: You are entitled to your opinion :yup:

Thursday Next

06-29-07, 11:04 AM

You must just be a very positive person :)

adidasss

06-29-07, 04:11 PM

I wanna know who it was that neg-repped Nebbs...Chris, work some magic and expose this person.*awaits*

adidasss

06-29-07, 07:06 PM

:laugh:

Pyro Tramp

06-29-07, 08:48 PM

I neg rep The Prestige because he won't listen to anyone in his thread and had such a dumb blind opinion and he won't accept criticism of it plus he's patronising. Other than that i rarely neg rep, except Jrs when he neg reps me and people who say White Chicks is the best film ever.

Don't take this the wrong way Nebs (because i don't think i've ever neg repped you) but sometimes your posts are just too nice with no content like "i need to see this" and guessing someone might not have liked the interference with the topic debate?

Recently i've recieved a fair whack of neg rep after getting more positive than i'd had in months so bit past caring now, some posts i can predict will get it but would rather voice myself that let the forum opinions completely edit my output into fairy dust.

Thursday Next

06-30-07, 03:47 AM

Don't keep score, but thinking back I'm fairly sure I've neg repped both nebbit and Pyro in the last few weeks. I'm fairly sure I've given you both positive rep as well, so like I said, it evens out. I guess I just use neg rep more than some other people, it isn't meant as a the huge insult some people seem to take it as. I'm sorry if you are really upset over this, it wasn't personal, either of you.

Perhaps I should be more careful about repping people in future. :blush:

adidasss

06-30-07, 06:19 AM

nebbit

06-30-07, 06:33 AM

You must just be a very positive person :)
I am :yup: I am very lucky :yup:

Perhaps I should be more careful about repping people in future. :blush:
Thats ok :kiss:

Yoda

06-30-07, 12:31 PM

In case anyone's wondering, I deleted all of Officer 663/Purandara's posts in this thread, as well as other people's responses to him.

He said intentionally offensive things without provocation, then tried to protect it all under an umbrella of satire and irony when people criticized it. This is, of course, ridiculous, and unacceptable. You can't break the law right in front of a cop and then complain when they cart you away that it was just meant to be ironic.

This is his one warning on the matter. There'll be no other chances after this.

adidasss

06-30-07, 12:47 PM

I thought he already had a second chance... >.>

I like reading his reviews, but it seems he can't really control his true nature...

SamsoniteDelilah

06-30-07, 04:38 PM

You could also state a reason for disagreeing or agreeing with a certain post. I think this whole thread is about how repping someone for no apparent reason is fairly annoying. But yes, seeing as how you've actually given Nebbs neg rep I'd say you're using it a little too arbitrary....
I regret that I can only give you positive rep once for this. heh
My opening post was about the disappointment of getting rep (really, any rep, but of course the negative is more grating) without getting discussion on the boards. I'm here for the discussion and I don't think I'm the only one that's true of.

The thread has come to be about the anonymity of rep, which is also a valid discussion. I think it fosters pettiness to have it completely anonymous, and Nebb's rep is a good example of that. She had one of the top ten negative scores, for a long time, and it was pure snarkiness on the part of those who rep'd her: she is NEVER rude (except for making fun of other people's bodies).

I missed the entire Purandura thing in this thread, yay! Thanks, Yoda. I've given positive rep to every post in this thread and it would have made my teeth itch to have to + him. heh

bleacheddecay

07-01-07, 12:01 AM

Bill

07-01-07, 02:23 AM

Yeah, Office's posts in this thread were not pretty to read.
You guys are lucky to miss them.

7thson

07-01-07, 02:32 AM

Well to sum up this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Tacitus

07-01-07, 07:00 AM

I thought he already had a second chance... >.>

Indeed...

nebbit

07-01-07, 07:20 AM

Don't tell me he is BAAAAAAACK :laugh:

Thanks all the people who have been so sweet about my neg rep :kiss:

Thursday Next

07-01-07, 11:41 AM

This thread is getting so self-referential it is doing my head in. But it seems like the best place to post one thing which really bugs me about rep....when people post just to say 'I am giving you positive rep' or 'I am giving you negative rep'. Either give the rep, or comment in the thread to say you agree. It makes me feel like giving them negative rep :furiousdevil:. (But I am supposed to be curbing my rep rage about such irritating and unnecessary things and saving it just for people who really deserve it.)

Right, it really is time to stop talking about rep and start talking about film again...

nebbit

07-01-07, 07:14 PM

(But I am supposed to be curbing my rep rage about such irritating and unnecessary things and saving it just for people who really deserve it.)
Nobody said you had to curb your neg rep giving (if that is the right statement) my beef is, like you, when people give it and don't give an explanation why :yup:

BobbyB

07-06-07, 11:06 AM

How has this thread gone on for so long? Well, I haven't said anything yet.

I think it's a more than a little petty to complain about anonymous
reputation. Some people would rather just leave the rep and not worry about being ridiculed by the person who they gave it to.

I get negative rep all the time. No one has ever left me a comment or anything letting me know it was them. I usually reply and there's an indication that it's me, but I rarely ever say it's me. Maybe I should, I just never saw the point.

Oh well...rep is rep. I don't think anyone takes it seriously. The fact that Holden is in the top 3 for negative and positive rep, shows that no one should base their opinion of someone off of rep, so I don't know why anyone really cares.