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Yoda

11-22-06, 01:06 PM

Some theories, most of which I've already posted in the Shoutbox...

Claire is probably key to stopping the nuclear explosion because, with her ability to heal, she's the only one who can either disarm some some nuclear device, or approach the man who emits radiation, or somesuch. It'll be like (SPOILERS WITHIN SPOILERS; X-Men: The Last Stand...Wolverine being the only one who can approach Jean Gray near the end of the film.
I presume that Hiro will learn to speak fluent English from the waitress he's gone back in time to befriend.
I suspect they'll soon be a bit of an issue as to which side Nathan Petrelli is really on. He'll be torn between his campaign and his obligations to Linderman, and his loyalties and ties to his family and the other superheroes.
My roommate thinks that Sylar was the subject of some sort of experiment by "Papa Suresh" that distorted him somehow. The scrawlings on the wall of his apartment indicate that he's become something he despises. I suspect his acts, then, will either be the result of some sort of perversion of his powers and/or mental state, or part of some kind of crusade for the common good, IE: he thinks he, and all the other heroes, are dangerous, and that humanity would be better off if they were dead.
I think Claire's father is, it not a good guy, at worst a misguided bad guy. I think there might even be a falling out between him and Eden/the Haitian.
Obviously, Linderman's identity will have to be of some significance, or they wouldn't have concealed it this long. I suppose it could be Mr. Bennet, but I'm having trouble remembering if there were any phone calls or developments which might contradict this.

Regarding the last three points...I can't help but wonder if there's any sort of primary antagonist. Maybe the explosion itself is the "bad guy," with numerous other characters serving as roadblocks, but always with some sort of pseudo-morality or rationale. Avoiding a stereotypical villain would help set this series further apart, I think. I'd love to see the heroes battle not with evil incarnate, but with people who stand in their way for a reason, albeit a misguided one, much like Senator Kelly in the first X-Men.

Random opinions: Hiro's a fabulous character, it took Peter waaayyyy too long to realize that a flipping photo (or description) of the missing painting would've done just fine, and Ali Larter's fractured personality storyline is entirely uninteresting. Micah, however, is quite interesting. Some have theorized that his power is to control machines, but I think, given his insistence that they return to help his mother despite realizing that she's dangerous, that he might simply be a "fixer" or "healer" of some kind...not of himself, like Claire, but for other people and things.

I think it's a long shot, as it seems like an odd power, logistically. I'd go so far as to bet it isn't true, and that he's probably just a technopath, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

Also, while it's obvious that Hiro is appropriately named, I can't help but think that Ando is, too, as Andro is the Greek prefix for "male" or "man." Hiro is a hero, and Ando is just a man. A nice touch.

blibblobblib

11-28-06, 07:58 PM

I am LOVING this show. Although, is it not trying to be Lost a little? What with that strange symbol appearing everywhere, and everyone having a connection...

B-card

12-02-06, 02:43 PM

The last episode with the whole Retrospection was awsome that Sylar looked kind of geeky I was expecting someone more mature and tough but yes he has that psycho look.Can't wait to Tuesday

here is some additions to Yoda's spoilers
I am pretty sure that Theodore (the guy who can create a nuclear explosion from ep.1x07) is going to be manipulated by someone or just get mad and destroy NYC

jrs

12-02-06, 06:17 PM

Can't wait to Tuesday....

The 'last' episode (until next year) of Heroes was pretty sweet. Though one thing.....the show is on Wednesdays not Tuesdays.

BobbyB

12-02-06, 06:30 PM

jrs

12-02-06, 08:24 PM

Well, here in Dallas the show is on Monday and there is still one new episode to come...why is it different here from other areas?

Anyway, here are some possibilities on the upcoming show...

So one of the Heroes is supposed to die this week. I have narrowed it down to three people who I think it could be.

D.L. - Probably too obvious to be him, but I have to put him in there.

Radiation Man: Can't remember his name. Anyway, I think Sylar may kill radiation man and steal his power to blow up New York City.

Isaac: He's kind of become pointless. They may take him out with a heroine overdose.

I am sorry...I was thinking of the marathon that airs on Sci-Fi on Thursday. I don't know why I said Wednesday.

BUT the show is actually on Monday. (I should since I watch weekly) . I lived in Texas and now live in Arizona. Heroes is on Mondays not Tuesday. ;)

Pyro Tramp

12-02-06, 09:25 PM

Is this one of those shows i should start watching anyone? I've given up with Dexter and waiting for a bigger hardrive before BSG

jrs

12-02-06, 10:40 PM

Is this one of those shows i should start watching anyone? I've given up with Dexter and waiting for a bigger hardrive before BSG

Heroes is the best program on network television. A mix of The X-Files and Lost with a blend of superhero factor within. There will a Heroes marathon this coming Thursday on the Sci-Fi Channel and I suggest you DO NOT MISS IT!!!!

B-card

12-03-06, 08:34 AM

The 'last' episode (until next year) of Heroes was pretty sweet. Though one thing.....the show is on Wednesdays not Tuesdays.

Usually it comes out in the net in Tuesday I haven't checked when is the Release date for the next ep.

Pyro Tramp

12-03-06, 05:56 PM

Heroes is the best program on network television. A mix of The X-Files and Lost with a blend of superhero factor within. There will a Heroes marathon this coming Thursday on the Sci-Fi Channel and I suggest you DO NOT MISS IT!!!!

Would that be the UK channel?

jrs

12-03-06, 08:26 PM

Would that be the UK channel?

It might be on in the UK . But it is on the Sci-Fi Channel this Thursday.

B-card

12-05-06, 06:34 AM

The 'last' episode (until next year) of Heroes was pretty sweet. Though one thing.....the show is on Wednesdays not Tuesdays.

I was right it came out just in time today Tuesday the show is on Monday night on NBC and on the net is on Tuesday

Sedai

12-05-06, 11:18 AM

The episode this week was pretty good. Not great, but prety damn good.

Go Hiro.

BobbyB

12-05-06, 01:59 PM

More questions and zero answers. NONE!

- What was up with Peter's constant cough? He wasn't close enough to Hiro to zoom into the future, but he did anyway. Is he developing a new power other than absorbing others?

- The Haitian was going to let Claire go? They were going to fake her losing her memory? Why would the Haitian do that?

- Sylar had lost his ability to use his powers and then all of a sudden he got them back. Was it sheer will or what?

- How did Sylar block Eden's persuasion? He's never done something like that before.

- Why is it that when Peter flashed to New York that Claire ran up to him, said "I'm so sorry" and turned around and ran away again?

- How is it that Peter blew up New York?

- Why is it that everyone looked so upset or distressed about what was happening to Peter in the future except for Isaac, who looked like he really didn't give a flip, and Nathan, who just kept walking towards Peter and looking angry?

- How is it that D.L. was able to heal his second gun shot wound (It went right through him) but not his first?

- Why did D.L. faint?

- What's going to happen to the relationship between Claire and Zach?

- Why is it that Peter and Matt both had severe headaches throughout the show?

- What was with the dragon and Hiro that Isaac painted?

We got so many questions and zero answers. And now we have to wait until January 22nd to get some answers

Yoda

12-05-06, 02:47 PM

Well, first off, it's a cliffhanger of sorts, so we're supposed to have questions. How many times did the series show us a painting that we couldn't make sense of until later? It's not a big deal. Finding out how we get to that point is the fun of it.

Anyway, some of the questions are not so much "how is this going to make sense?" but "which reason is it going to be?" For example:

"The Haitian was going to let Claire go? They were going to fake her losing her memory? Why would the Haitian do that?"

We're not told why, of course, but it's not as if we can't easily come up with possibilities. He may have realized the cheerleader is needed to save the world. He may think Mr. Bennet's desire to protect her is counterproductive, and that she's safer knowing who she is and what she can do. Or maybe he simply has his own ambitions, and having Claire's trust and assistance is valuable to him.

I think some of the answers are obvious, though...

"How is it that D.L. was able to heal his second gun shot wound (It went right through him) but not his first?"

The first bullet was unexpected. The second he was prepared for. Obviously he isn't fluid all the time; he'd never get anything done if he was. He has to decide to pass through something, as evidenced by the fact that he almost always hesitates and "sets" himself before doing so.

"Why did D.L. faint?"

Probably because he was bleeding.
I concur with some of the questions about Sylar, however. I'm not sure how that happened, exactly.

Also, I love Hiro's constant sci-fi shoutouts, from "Great Scott!" to the Vulcan salute. Hiro's a geek who's getting to live out his fantasy. It explains his instant acceptance of his powers and the responsibilities they entail, and serves as a nod to all the fans who, naturally, wish they were living in a comic book the way he is.

Most of all, though, it sets him up in direct contrast to Sylar, who also longed to feel unique. They're two people with similar desires, but profoundly different outcomes. The way they use their powers is interesting, as well, as it reflects the manner in which they obtained them.

B-card

12-05-06, 04:26 PM

What was up with Peter's constant cough? He wasn't close enough to Hiro to zoom into the future, but he did anyway. Is he developing a new power other than absorbing others?

-I think he is something like Phoenix and Jean Gray(X-man) or my second guess is that he is somehow connected to sylar

How did Sylar block Eden's persuasion? He's never done something like that before.

-You all remember that he killed that waitres in the restaurant-Charley and take here abbility(to learn fast and he was prepared after she has spoken to him the first time) I'm pretty sure that he will resist even the Haitian's power which pretty much makes him unstoppable

What was with the dragon and Hiro that Isaac painted?

-He probably lost control over his power and ended back in prehistoric ages,and that was a T-Rex not a Dragon;)

thmilin

12-06-06, 02:23 AM

I'm not reading the latest spoiler posts yet, haven't watched the last episode, but YES, it's worth watching.

it is a baby X-Files. I'm sorry, I couldn't, no matter how hard I tried, get into Lost. I think because it's a continual microcosm of "why people do what they do, and why those things are sometimes bad for other people, but good for the people that do them anyway" (if you get my drift).

X-files was far more complex and subtle, with more layers of unconscious meaning that you could peel back and contemplate for hours on end. Heroes is not nearly that complex - you know exactly what people are doing, and generally know why, or what urged them to do it. Even if you don't know right away you figure it out within the episode, and any far-reaching story line across episodes was far grander and multi-layered than what's happening in Heroes so far.

That being said, it is the NEW X-Files. the world is capable of making better, but we're just not getting that right now, so I am thrilled to have SOMETHING. This is like a B+, if X-Files is an A. Of course, the show turned into D material at the end, but I mean X-FIles at its best, it's genesis.

So yes, anyone who hasn't started it - watch the marathon. YOu may find yourself impatient with some people's milked storylines - I agree that the Nikki/Jessica and DL plotline is getting unnecessarily drawn out. The only passably interesting thread there is how those 3 tie into the future, and most specifically Micah. But the actress who plays the mom is pretty good at duality, and I tend to have a thing for watching women be tough and surprise people by whooping their butts. So of course I'm tickled Jessica is a violent bad@ss.

Re: Hiro - he's very much my favorite, as is the cheerleader, although I loathe high pitched voices in grown men, and cheerleaders.

i loathe Peter's character like you would not believe. I can NOT stand him. He is the weakest dipsh|t ever and I do not get why he is getting all that screentime. it's really irking me.

so's the professor's son's storyline. they're trying to use him as the storyteller but i am telling you it is NOT working for me. some of these turns of serendipity need to get less drawn out and milked so hard because it's just overkill and boring and makes me roll my eyes and huff until something actually interesting happens.

i don't understand why they can't draw everybody's else's scenes as tightly, and well-written as hiro's and the cheerleader's.

Chris - I beg to differ re: the true source of Hiro's name. To american audiences, yes, the obvious tie in to "hero" and the storyline of superhuman heros, and comic books, is meaningful and deliberate. However, there is a decided asian theme here that I am appreciating very much that may not be as visible and appreciated by general american audiences.

audience members into manga and anime, however, do and will appreciate this thread. japanese storytelling is playing a strong part in this story, mixing modern american comic book style (ie, spiderman and such) with scifi, with manga. japanese animation tends to include very cute, funny, goofy loveable interactions entangling with their violence, dark corners, and superhero skills.

because the show has chosen hiro as our main character, or at least our pivotal character through whose eyes we initially begin to see the greater story arc, we come to see him as representative of both us (new and full of wonder) and the transformation from human to hero for his peers in the story (he himself is changing, eager and accepting of what he is to come).

he is by far my favorite, in that he is clearly naive, open, eager, loving, seeking to idealize what it means to have his powers, and somewhere along the way becomes wise, wary, strong, and charismatic - and saves the world.

the cheerleader storyline is similar which is why I care about hers too, tho I hate cheerleaders. save the cheerleader, save the world - give me a break, can't the writers think of something more pithy and less cheesy, than that?

anyway, back to the japanese name tangent - the source is japanese, per the show creators (as shown below) and "ando" his sidekick, translates to "relief." he is, of course, his robin to hiro's bumbling, earnest batman:

According to the online comic on NBC.com, Hiro is named after Hiroshima, so that his family will always remember the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Tim Kring has been quoted as saying, "It's no coincidence we named him Hiro… he truly is on a hero's quest".[1] To this end, his name is often used as a pun. His co-worker Ando once called him "Super-Hiro" in jest, which is actually a homonym to the Japanese word for superhero: スーパーヒーロー (, sūpāhīrō?), and the fifth episode's title is "Hiros".

Learn more about Hiro, who already has a fullbown Wikipedia page (clearly reflecting his popularity to the viewers): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiro_Nakamura

adidasss

12-06-06, 11:22 AM

Omg, this show kicks so much ass, I just watched the first 3 episodes, and I can definitely say that along with Galactica, it's the best TV show out there right now. Is it kicking ass in the ratings?

Zeiken

12-07-06, 01:05 PM

To be completley honest- i dont feel that this is a well-made show. I watch it week after week for no other reason than i have developed a moderate interest in storyline. I still think the show has a lot of structural and narrative issues to be smoothed out- hopefully this will happen next season.

Thmilin- i disagree about peter- i think his storyline is set up to be one of the best. I like how he is pretty much useless without anyone else around, while at the same time the other characters seem to be developing a dependency on him. While his motivations seem a bit underdeveloped, i think his family dynamic is wonderful. If there are more of you out there who dont like peter- i would wait at least until he starts interacting with more of the characters.

My only question- When are we going to see the merging of the DL/Jessica/Kid storyline and the NY destruction storyline? We've seen a few brief connections, but nothing indicating how they are all going to fit together. Might be interesting.

And while im speaking of Jessica/Whatshername, what exactly is her power? Is it a split personality, or is she really inhabited by something? Either way she seems to have superstrength. This would be nice to find out.

BobbyB

12-07-06, 02:24 PM

Nikki has split personailities and when Jessica takes over (HEr twin sister who died when they were 11) she has super human strength.

Zeiken

12-07-06, 05:47 PM

Nikki has split personailities and when Jessica takes over (HEr twin sister who died when they were 11) she has super human strength.

Right- that much was apparent- i was just curious as to whether it was even possibble for Nikki to use the superhuman strength as well- you know, like is this a psychological thing or a supernatural thing?

thmilin

12-07-06, 06:15 PM

i agree, the show is weak sauce, compared to what it could be. like i said, a B, when it could be an A. i'll watch it, because there's nothing else that fills this scifi craving for me right now.

i actually like peter's family dynamic - the introduction of his brother as a frequent impediment because he's bent on following his ownidea of what "good and noble" is (by doing nefarious things) and the wife (wounded when the husband bailed on her using his own powers) and the mother (who may know more about his father, and is not telling).

i just don't like how peter's set up. he is the link, and based on the last episode, may be a "serve your purpose and die link." as in, he's meant to get the group to connect, and then he's no longer useful to "the design". the design being these events are occurring, and everyone thinks they have an active will, but in a way their active will simply pursues a path already destined for them.

i don't like it when someone's a central cog and that's their only purpose- to be a central cog. that assumes the audience is stupid, is a weak story, and is just plain lazy.

that cog frustrates me - everyone should actively pursue things, and half the time peter never coherently states what he wants, never coherently decides what he needs, and never emphatically pursues what has to get done. if he actually knows his brother, why does he time and again choose a form of communication with him that WE even know isn't going to work? if he knows his bro is capable of backstabbing, manipulating, and lying to him - why does he blindly continue to turn to him for help, support, and trust him? it'd be one thing if he didn't KNOW what his brother is and does, but he DOES. so until he gets his sh|t together, and develops a backbone (which I doubt he will) he's a walking idiot, i'm sorry. :P

he's very ad hoc, scattered, wimpy, and clueless, and it bugs me like nobody's business. he had a LOT of clues and a LOT of sources and a LOT of leads early on.

it could just be the show's failure, not his, but he IS an aspect of the show and he's handled to the point i don't like him. if he didn't follow those leads or get it together and they stretched it out for who knows how long, he looks incompetent. that's his fault, AND theirs.

re: jessica/nikki - it's both split personality and possession.

nikki is the good (weak) sister who survived and blacks out bad realities to cope. jessica is the bad (strong) sister who was murdered by their father (on accident) and filled herself with rage to cope while alive. on death, she entered jessica, out of (probalby) sheer will to live and rage in general about what happened to her, and her strong twin bond to her sister.

there is a supernatural element and a gene element- nikki and her twin were probably capable of entering each other and exhibiting great strength but now there's only one host body, and both share it. OR - only JESSICA had the power but it transferred to Nikki on Jessica's death.

jessica fills nikki and is conscious at all times but only takes over when nikki can't handle it and wigs out. now, nikki is aware of her and will hopefully learn to absorb and work with her second half. i'd assume the better option is to do so - keep her sister and her strength, and learn to not wig out and stand tall on her own without letting her sister bully her.

i like how this raises the question of ALL split or multiple personalities. does this mean that these cases are REAL personalities, real beings, inhabiting people, not just a figment of a person's fractured mind? could it be those additional personalities are in the 80% of our brains we're not using, borne of biological and supernatural power?

thmilin

12-11-06, 12:56 AM

hot update - i went to the Video Game Awards in LA this past Friday (it will air Dec 13 on Spike TV) - I sat in the FRONT row in one of the floor pits and the presenters included the cheerleader (Hayden Panettiere) and Hiro (Masi Oka).

Before the show started, Masi showed up with a chick about his size to sit in the same area as me, displaced some seat fillers, settled in, then later got up and sat elsewhere. Then he got up for the presentation and I incited the crowd to keep clapping and shouting, so he made sexy "shhh" gestures and said "Save the Cheerleader. Save the world." He has a deep voice! He's so not my type but he's cute and hot for some crazy reason.

Anyway. I saw him live! Super up close! YAY! :)

I saw Hayden too, but she didn't move me. She made all the young dude's around me go "OH MY GOD! SHE'S SO HOT!" tho. :P

Zeiken

12-11-06, 02:54 AM

She made all the young dude's around me go "OH MY GOD! SHE'S SO HOT!" tho. :P

I'd so totally save that cheerleader. :randy:

Which reminds me, anyone catch that look Claire gave Peter at the end of the last episode? She totally wants him. not sure how appropriate that is, but it was pretty obvious. ;)

jrs

12-11-06, 02:56 AM

anyone catch that look Claire gave Peter at the end of the last episode? She totally wants him. not sure how appropriate that is, but it was pretty obvious. ;)
Yeah, it was called appreciation

Zeiken

12-11-06, 02:58 AM

Yeah, it was called appreciation

i'd take another look. Either that- or just laugh and move on. :D

jrs

12-11-06, 03:30 AM

i'd take another look. Either that- or just laugh and move on. :D
in what scene are u talkin about?

thmilin

12-11-06, 06:06 AM

the one where she tells him he's her hero? i think it's the young girl crush thing but he laughs it off and they both know she's not REALLY serious. she's not capable of adult hots, just teen hots, right now. schoolgirl crush, take your dirty mind out of pedophile territory, MANG!*

since clearly you pervs like these details about the cheerleader and are IGNORING mr. hiro, i shall give further details (since who knows if this will get cut when the show airs):

TRANSCRIPT OF THE VGA AWARDS
(where the actors who play Hiro and the cheerleader present awards)

hayden comes out, and she's all short and stocky and dewy. like they oiled her down or dipped her in the "skin glimmering" body lotion or powder females like to use these days. the moment she comes out, she's got her sly smirk/smile going and all the men go wild. yes, all the men. it was creepy considering that like, the men didn't seem to go as wild when eva mendes and maria menounos came out, tho they decidedly also shouted those women were soooo hooot earlier in the show, too.

anyway. she comes up to her mic and is all sly and perky and the men shout:

I LOVE YOU!

this includes the dude immediately to my right, a perky little Laguna Beach could-be.

and she's said two words, is about to start her preso, pauses quickly --

What? I love you too!

and this causes great uproars, and the dude to my right goes, to the dude to my left (the producer people literally plant the audience and move it around for appearance on screen, so they'll split up people for visual effect, and did so to him and his pal, and my my pal):

DUDE? did you hear that? she said she LOVES me. you SAW it! don't you FORGET it!

his pal goes:

dude, i saw it. it happened. i was there.

hayden continues on, show lights go down, screen shows the nominees, stage lights come up, she starts opening up the silly spike stud bracelet they're using as the announcement cards:

and i'll now read the winner once i get this cool bracelet they gave me open ...

the dude's around me and in the distance yell:

take your time!

she goes,

what? take my time?

followed by a slow, knowing smile, another sweet smirk, and she does as asked, dangling the bracelet from her fingers and fiddling with it and smiling around for a minute or two while the men go wild.

after which she smiles/laughs, then finally opens it to announce the winner.

the end. you happy now? hiro haters.

*don't take that too seriously.

adidasss

12-11-06, 10:57 AM

According to the general tone of your posts thmilin, I would say you don't really like the show, rather than thinking it gets a B. I think you guys are a bit too demanding, for me, it's enough to compare the show to a similar concept, that of The 4400, and it's pretty apparent which one is the superior. I love the comic book feel of Heros, I love the soundtrack, I love that it's a thriller show...but the only real major upset for me was the showdown between Peter and Sylar ( or was it Sylor? ). I thought they could have done much better, done some sort of spectacular battle scene seeing as how Peter can emulate any power of a hero near him.

I love the mix of comedy and action ( Hiro is my favourite character too, although I was rather dissapointed to see him become so americanised in the future, props for the way he speaks english and japanese tho, I've never seen anyone handle two languages that well and the way he acts with a japanese accent even though it's clear he speaks english extremely well, is he an american? Anyways,I hope that doesn't happen too soon, because instead of making him look cool, he turned out really lame ) not to mention the fact that a large part of the show is in another language which is somewhat unprecedanted as far as top american TV shows are concerned ( your famous distaste for subtitles ).

The Jessica storyline is somewhat tiring seeing as how it doesn't really have the feel of a superpowerful character, more like a derranged psychopath. Micah however could develope into an interesting character, we've only seen very little of what he's capable of.

I don't really understand your hate for Peter though, I don't think he's any different from the other characters trying to make sense of their new found powers, and I think he cought on pretty well considering that his powers were a little more complex to figure out. Also, I haven't watched the 11th episode, but I don't think he's as stupid and weak as you make him out to be. Sure, he went to see his brother for help numerous times, but that's because he doesn't have anyone else and his brother also has a superpower so who's he gonna turn to if not him?

jrs

12-11-06, 03:08 PM

the one where she tells him he's her hero? i think it's the young girl crush thing but he laughs it off and they both know she's not REALLY serious. she's not capable of adult hots, just teen hots, right now. schoolgirl crush, take your dirty mind out of pedophile territory, MANG!*

since clearly you pervs like these details about the cheerleader and are IGNORING mr. hiro, i shall give further details (since who knows if this will get cut when the show airs):

hayden comes out, and she's all short and stocky and dewy. like they oiled her down or dipped her in the "skin glimmering" body lotion or powder females like to use these days. the moment she comes out, she's got her sly smirk/smile going and all the men go wild. yes, all the men. it was creepy considering that like, the men didn't seem to go as wild when eva mendes and maria menounos came out, tho they decidedly also shouted those women were soooo hooot earlier in the show, too.

anyway. she comes up to her mic and is all sly and perky and the men shout:

I LOVE YOU!

this includes the dude immediately to my right, a perky little Laguna Beach could-be.

and she's said two words, is about to start her preso, pauses quickly --

What? I love you too!

and this causes great uproars, and the dude to my right goes, to the dude to my left (the producer people literally plant the audience and move it around for appearance on screen, so they'll split up people for visual effect, and did so to him and his pal, and my my pal):

DUDE? did you hear that? she said she LOVES me. you SAW it! don't you FORGET it!

his pal goes:

dude, i saw it. it happened. i was there.

hayden continues on, show lights go down, screen shows the nominees, stage lights come up, she starts opening up the silly spike stud bracelet they're using as the announcement cards:

and i'll now read the winner once i get this cool bracelet they gave me open ...

the dude's around me and in the distance yell:

take your time!

she goes,

what? take my time?

followed by a slow, knowing smile, another sweet smirk, and she does as asked, dangling the bracelet from her fingers and fiddling with it and smiling around for a minute or two while the men go wild.

after which she smiles/laughs, then finally opens it to announce the winner.

the end. you happy now? hiro haters.

*don't take that too seriously.

According to that scene, it is for appreciation of saving her life. Secondly, I have no freakin idea what that other part is from. What the heck does that got to do with the episode and their characters in the show???

thmilin

12-11-06, 04:24 PM

jrs -

i edited my post to clearly separate it from the main context of the discussion. however the discussion included seemingly interested responses to my initial mention of hayden, an actress who plays a character in the tv show this thread is about.

so,that's what that has to do with anything. they play the characters in the show. i, being thrilled to have seen them as a fan of the show, shared that with others who seem to be fans of the show, hoping they might enjoy it as well.

adi -

i appreciate your opinion, and you're entitled to it. i think it's "demanding" of you to judge how others evaluate a show. if you're pleased by the show, rate it an A+, have no real issues with the plot, actors, script, context, etc., that's great.

just because someone else says they rate it a B doesn't mean they don't like the show. just because someone else explains WHY they think it's a B versus an A doesn't mean they don't like the show. just because someone takes the time to evaluate tv show in the same way we all evaluate a film doesn't mean they don't like the show.

if a person tells you in explicit terms, i like X, but feel Y about it, they mean exactly what they say.

i'm not angry, by the way, but feeling kind of judged here when all i was saying was my opinion and my opinion is being clearly misinterpreted. just because i disagree with your views or preference or show quality evaluation methods doesn't mean i'm unreasonable or hypocritical or attacking something.

i said i like the show, and you're telling me based on what i've written i don't seem to. if you're going to hold me to that ruler you have to be fair with it. if you skimmed, re-read before you make judging statements, because based on what i wrote - hating one character or saying i dislike plotlines or elements does not say "i dislike the show." it says, i hate one character and dislike certain plotlines or elements. that's all it says.

if anything a great story is always going to include things that make a viewer react. i loved X-files like a religion and hated certain characters or episodes or plotlines in that, too. and i had scully and mulder pictures on my walls for all of college and discussed plot lines and meanings often and intensely with friends and family.

in this thread, i went on for paragraphs interpreting Jessica's plotline, making it clear i'm fascinated with the potential meaning behind her particular power, and made it clear i am interested in her son, as well as the cheerleader, and hiro. i even posted squeals about having seen hiro in person, a character i care about because i watch the show regularly.

if all that doesn't say I like the show, i don't know what does. if i really don't like the show, why on earth would i watch it and take the time to share my thoughts about it here?

Zeiken

12-11-06, 04:28 PM

So when does heroes return?

jrs

12-11-06, 04:31 PM

jrs

12-11-06, 04:32 PM

So when does heroes return?

Nov 7th

thmilin

12-12-06, 12:35 AM

I'm sorry, I just got a little confused there

no worries, i realized it was all jumbled together, so that's why i moved it around. wasn't sure if that's what you meant or you were annoyed at me having said anything.

re: when the show returns - isn't it January 7th, not November?

B-card

01-23-07, 11:57 AM

OMG ep.12 is out I had to skip classes to watch it.It was awsm

BobbyB

01-23-07, 12:05 PM

Great epsiode. Glad to see they're not getting rid of Zach, because I really like the relationship he and Claire developed and are re-developing.

Sedai

01-23-07, 12:25 PM

Agreed. I really dug the Claire stuff last night, and was impressed with her performance. Overall, this episode seemed to be higher quality than the previous stuff, both acting and production quality. Can't wait for next week.

B-card

01-23-07, 02:44 PM

And Still what's the deal with Linderman how mysterious he could be.The guy just owe a casino and a couple of paintings

Rosco

01-25-07, 12:31 AM

Any idea when season 1 comes out on DVD. I want to get into it, but I dont want to watch season 2 until I watch the first.

Zeiken

01-25-07, 12:31 PM

Rosco- season 1 isnt over yet, so i wouldnt expect the DVD's until late summer. Check online though, many of the episodes are posted on the website.

BobbyB

01-27-07, 05:10 PM

Check HERE (www.yourtvlinks.com) for episodes of Heroes online.

Sedai

01-27-07, 05:30 PM

That place got bagged for TOS issues. The episodes have been removed as far as I can tell...

Yoda

02-06-07, 01:13 PM

Regarding the revelation of Claire's father: It made sense (and was somewhat obvious) because...

1) She and Peter definitely had a connection. We now know it's because they're family.

2) The arm we saw in last week's promos looked like Nathan's.

Solid twist. Nothing spectacular. I seriously dig on the idea of Peter being able to "recall" powers he's absorbed, though.
What "got" me far more than any of the plot developments or revelations in this episode, however, was the dialogue. It was probably the best in the series to date. Claude's lectures to Peter were thought-out and interesting. The fact that Christopher Eccleston could play the role in his sleep probably helped, too.

A few good lines stand out. Most notably Isaac talking to Simone about the ups and downs in his life: "Good...bad...you."

That, more than any of the twists and turns that the promo-producing monkeys at NBC keep sensationalizing, is what stood out to me.

Sedai

02-06-07, 01:44 PM

A few good lines stand out. Most notably Isaac talking to Simone about the ups and downs in his life: "Good...bad...you."

YES! I really though they ramped up the dialouge last eve. I commented a couple of times on how the writing is starting to shape up. I really dug (and related to) the line you mention, too...

Yoda

02-06-07, 02:02 PM

YES! I really though they ramped up the dialouge last eve. I commented a couple of times on how the writing is starting to shape up. I really dug (and related to) the line you mention, too...
That's the beauty of lines like that; almost everyone can relate to it on some level.

I have to say, I'm not totally nuts on a few aspects of the series, like Hiro's here-today, gone-tomorrow powers. Now, it's entirely possible that the fluctuations have a good explanation which simply hasn't been revealed to us yet, but if ends up involving the Kansei sword somehow helping him to focus, as he currently believes, then I'll be rather disappointed. Hopefully this whole thing isn't just an excuse to give Hiro something to do until the season's climax.

JBriscoe

02-06-07, 02:58 PM

I think Hiro's come and go powers are related to the situation he is in...he seems to not be able to call upon them in times of distress ie getting beat up by the casino thugs, being chase by his fathers henchmen etc...

...he has been shown to be fate and destiny focused...so maybe he thinks the reason for his inability to summon his powers is not his own, but by design or on purpose...and in the comic book world he think he lives in, the Kensei Sword is what he made his conclusion to be

thmilin

02-10-07, 02:34 AM

yaaay, the thread is back! and yoda-san is into it ...

re: hiro, yeah i agree if the sword is their silly way of milking his story line to parallel the others til the end, disappointment for me. but based on the future/flashback we get of him and peter, he becomes a stronger individual and has the sword. he clearly has learned himself and his power.

there have been hints that he uses "the rules of heroism" as a guideline to what is right/wrong versus the "rules of his inner morality and truth." thus his fear and inertia when dangerous things happen around him and require his active decision making. if he's called upon to make a split decision - he knows the RIGHT thing to do but always hesitates. he doesn't hesitate not because he doesn't want to do it but because he actually has to stop and think and internally ask himself what the right thing to do would be.

that isn't a hero, that's someone playing a hero. so, hiro is learning who he really is and is developing inner strength, which will in turn make him into a real hero, not a child playing at being one.

first step - smartly handling the father/daughter situation for his father's company.

i have got to say i love watching Jessica/Nikki flip around and am glad of Micah's steps toward admitting his own secrets. His dad annoys me though - what kind of man has trouble getting money to pay rent when his legal problems should be cleared? seriously? why is calling to borrow money and not doing yardwork or flipping burgers or something?

dialogue - i agree, it was muuuch better this time around. i think they've had time to take a look at the first episodes and fix some flaws. good times for us!

oh, and i still hate peter. i think it's something about how he handles himself/his powers/other people. it's been brought up multiple times in the show that he seems unable to solve things by himself - he always makes a big emotional scene but in the end resolves nothing on his own. he perpetually turns to others to solve his own riddles.

that drives me mad! hiro has lost his powers and his handling himself better than peter! geesh.

BobbyB

02-21-07, 05:14 PM

Monday's episode was the best one yet. Great stuff.

Sedai

02-21-07, 06:08 PM

i have got to say i love watching Jessica/Nikki flip around and am glad of Micah's steps toward admitting his own secrets. His dad annoys me though - what kind of man has trouble getting money to pay rent when his legal problems should be cleared? seriously? why is calling to borrow money and not doing yardwork or flipping burgers or something?

Because he is a fugitive? The cat is the focus of a manhunt. It might be a bit tough to come though at McDs, serving burgers out the drive-thru to 5-0, when you are a wanted man...

RE: Peter - We clearly look for different things in characters, as I find Peter to be the most interesting, by far. I am confused as to why you don't like him. The flaws you name make the character better, not worse. Maybe I just relate to him more. I don't know, andf have never met, anyone that knows exactly what they should be doing in a crisis. I doubt people like that exist. IMO, Nikki is the worst thread of the show, hands down, regardless of some slight improvement recently in her story arc... When Heroes first aired, I thought she had the most potential to be an interesting character, but they haven't done anything beyond completely predictable with her, as of yet... The little busted family dynamic might as well be on Lifetime or something... terribly written, for sho. Micah is interesting. I wish they would do more with him.

BobbyB

02-27-07, 01:44 PM

Wow. The ending to Heroes last night was SAD.

Decent episode though. Not great. Just a bridge to next week.

BobbyB

02-28-07, 01:57 PM

While searching the internet this morning, I found something that says the rumored actor to play Linderman, is Malcolm McDowell

Yoda

02-28-07, 02:06 PM

Because he is a fugitive? The cat is the focus of a manhunt. It might be a bit tough to come though at McDs, serving burgers out the drive-thru to 5-0, when you are a wanted man...
I thought he was cleared? I think that was Miriam's point, at least. I'm having trouble remembering all the specifics of how it went down right now.

RE: Peter - We clearly look for different things in characters, as I find Peter to be the most interesting, by far. I am confused as to why you don't like him. The flaws you name make the character better, not worse. Maybe I just relate to him more. I don't know, andf have never met, anyone that knows exactly what they should be doing in a crisis. I doubt people like that exist. IMO, Nikki is the worst thread of the show, hands down, regardless of some slight improvement recently in her story arc... When Heroes first aired, I thought she had the most potential to be an interesting character, but they haven't done anything beyond completely predictable with her, as of yet... The little busted family dynamic might as well be on Lifetime or something... terribly written, for sho. Micah is interesting. I wish they would do more with him.
Agree on almost every count, with the caveat that I find Peter both interesting and annoying. But I agree completely that the Nikki/Jessica angle is among the show's weakest (though her apparently ripping people's limbs off is pretty cool), and I think everyone just loves Micah's character (and the boy who plays him) to death.

Zeiken

03-01-07, 12:38 PM

Agree on almost every count, with the caveat that I find Peter both interesting and annoying.

Agreed- he's such a whiner.
I can only hope he turns badass, just like Luke did between Ep. IV and VI. He went from "to pick up some power converters!" to "You've failed, your highness. I'll never join you."

So, its possibble, and thats probably where they're going to go with it. Not to mention we caught that glimpse of Hiro as a badass from the future, so things will probably work out.

BobbyB

03-06-07, 05:19 PM

Am I the only one who finds Zachary Quinto to be horribly miscast?

I think he does a poor job in that role and I think for a supervillian, Sylar is really boring and predictable.

Sedai

03-06-07, 06:29 PM

Sylar is mesmerizing. I have always liked that actor, since his days as Adam on 24... So, ya...it's just you. ;)

OG-

03-06-07, 08:13 PM

Sylar hardly seems like a super villain at all. He just murders people, he has no grand scheme.

Ya gotsta scheme to be a super villain.

jrs

03-14-07, 05:02 AM

Sylar hardly seems like a super villain at all. He just murders people, he has no grand scheme.

Ya gotsta scheme to be a super villain.

Keep watchin' :cool: ;)

OG-

03-14-07, 05:59 AM

Keep watchin' :cool: ;)

Well either you're reading heavy on the spoilers or you were at the recent Paley event in CA, otherwise we've all seen the same episodes. He certainly has motivation, but all the same he is still just as threatening as any thug off the street. At the end of the day, how is he any scarier than a standard serial killer? If anything, I'd wager he is less because of his powers.

Zeiken

03-14-07, 03:18 PM

So because the only shows i really watch are Heroes and Lost, both of which can be watched online, so i cancelled cable a few months ago. No new episode was uploaded to the website this week though- is there a break?

Anyways there hasnt been any chat about the Linderman appearance in last week's episode. I think its interesting where they are going with Nathan- especially the idea of the presidency. I dont believe for a second, though, that Linderman would let him live after Nathan threatened his life.

As for Sylar- i think the guy they got to play him is the best on the show. I hope he isnt just a first season villan though, and will come back.

BobbyB

03-14-07, 04:51 PM

...is there a break?
6 Weeks :bawling:

Sci-Fi-Guy

03-15-07, 01:48 AM

Ðèstîñy

03-15-07, 03:06 AM

Holy geez...:skeptical:

All this time and I never even knew there was a TV section on this forum...?:goof:
(Thx for the heads-up, Destiny):D

For anyone not caught up in the pure awesomeness that is Heroes NBC.com is showing all 18 episodes online (http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml) again like they did during the last hiatus.
(not available to us Canadian viewers though)

You are very welcome. I always wondered why I never saw you in certain TV threads around here.
Thanks for letting me know about this show. I have been meaning to catch it, and finally can. :)

JBriscoe

03-19-07, 01:11 PM

Well either you're reading heavy on the spoilers or you were at the recent Paley event in CA, otherwise we've all seen the same episodes. He certainly has motivation, but all the same he is still just as threatening as any thug off the street. At the end of the day, how is he any scarier than a standard serial killer? If anything, I'd wager he is less because of his powers.

youre right, Sylar is not yet powerful enough to launch a grand scheme, to lets say, rule the world...but you have to remember, he has only recently attained these powers, and his goal right now, is to build his powers...think of him as Lex Luther without any money, he has to build his wealth before he gets bigger goals

now...whats does everyone think (if you know, spare us your spoilers) will happen between Sylar and Peter???

I think it has to end in one of two ways...Peter will use his regeneration powers to prevent Sylar from scalping him, or he could use the powers right back at him and start scalping Sylar...

ps - now that Sylar and Peter have met again, will Peter now hold the new powers Sylar has??? making Peter more powerful since Peter still has invisibility and regeneration

jrs

03-19-07, 05:06 PM

Sci-Fi-Guy

03-23-07, 04:59 PM

The most powerful hero is at last revealed....
:laugh: LOL. (http://www.drivl.com/posts/view/719):rotfl:

Some DVD information for Heroes Season One (http://www.heroestheseries.com/heroes-wizard-world-qa-season-1-dvd-details/).

JBriscoe

03-23-07, 05:38 PM

You're getin' to carried away over my little statement. Calm down.

calm down? :confused: hmmmm...not really sure how you arrived at that conclusion, maybe you took a wrong turn somewhere

Escape

03-23-07, 08:31 PM

I think it has to end in one of two ways...Peter will use his regeneration powers to prevent Sylar from scalping him, or he could use the powers right back at him and start scalping Sylar...
He'd have to use a little bit of both since it ended with Peter's scalp already beginning to be cut. The only way I can see him getting away from Sylar would be use anything he acquired to at least buy him the time to get them both out of there.

ps - now that Sylar and Peter have met again, will Peter now hold the new powers Sylar has??? making Peter more powerful since Peter still has invisibility and regeneration
Peter needs time to practice these skills so I'm thinking some of them will perhaps surprise him now and again. And if anyone ever watched 'Smallville' then I'm thinking like what Clark went through for example with his heat vision or x-ray vision that will similarly happen to Peter.

Sci-Fi-Guy

03-23-07, 09:04 PM

Given enough practice time Peter shpuld be able to pwn Sylar easily since he has all Sylar's powers as well as all the ones he's already absorbs himself that Sylar doesn't have.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3162/xsylarvspeter2lw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The one thing I don't get is how easily Sylar seems to be able to adapt to his new abilities while Peter has required lots of practice.
Sure, Sylar's primary power was 'knowing how things work' so he may have been able to adapt to new abilities easily but Peter should also have this ability after first meeting Sylar.

From the preview clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5DNtvnFgac) for episode 19 it looks as though Peter telekeneticly drives Sylar up into the ceiling after he puts on his 'mad-face'.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/980/heroespreview6zy1rl5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6844/heroespreview5yy2ls3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think he was only caught off-guard by Sylar last time and maybe a lil afraid when Sylar used his 'scarey-voice' on him.

Peter will win the fight and then Sylar will probably go on a mad brain-eating rampage to build up enough powers to return for his ultimate prize: Peter's brain. Peter has what would probably be considered Sylar's dream power and you just know Sylar is gonna be wanting that once he realizes what Peter can do.

JBriscoe

03-27-07, 01:43 PM

The one thing I don't get is how easily Sylar seems to be able to adapt to his new abilities while Peter has required lots of practice.
Sure, Sylar's primary power was 'knowing how things work' so he may have been able to adapt to new abilities easily but Peter should also have this ability after first meeting Sylar.

I think one reason Sylar can control them better is sort of what you said, its in his personality to be able to maintain control (not necessarily a "power")...and also...Sylar takes these powers, knowing what they are and what they can do...Peter absorbs these powers unknowingly so it makes sense why he can't control them the way Sylar does

Sci-Fi-Guy

04-05-07, 02:23 AM

Here's a little recap and taste of things to come.
The last half of this clip (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2019711164) reveals a glimpse of Linderman's super-power.

Technically a spoiler but I didn't find it anything that will really ruin much. Ignore it if you prefer total spoiler-free Heroes.

Sci-Fi-Guy

04-09-07, 11:36 PM

Here's another spoiler clip of the first two minutes (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1n2tr_heroespointohsevenopening) from the opening for the next episode if anyone wants to see it.

Also...
Hayden Gets Punk'D (http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/04/09/heroes-panettiere-punkd/)

:D

Sci-Fi-Guy

04-20-07, 04:49 AM

ONLY 3 DAYS LEFT!!!!
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8665/veryexcitedjx1mq8.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Anyone else excited as me?

Six scenes for the next ep...
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10321
At a minute to two for each one, you're not spoiling much by watching but it's your call.
:D

BobbyB

04-23-07, 09:15 PM

It's here!!! Can't wait. They can't keep up these long breaks though...it's pissing me off.

jrs

04-24-07, 04:17 AM

Well, here's *****y news for ya'll.....just 4 more episodes, and Heroes will not be seen on television until Feburary of 2008. I'm buying that upcoming Heroes Season One in May.

BobbyB

04-24-07, 02:47 PM

FEBRUARY 2008!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Good lord...

NBC is going to regret a break that long.

Sci-Fi-Guy

04-27-07, 06:55 PM

Not happy about the Feb 2008 thing especially since BSG isn't on till Jan 2008 as well. :furious:

I'm gonna be going through withdrawls all year long now. :sick:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4442/heroeswraptl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Heroes "Wrap" party photos:
http://www.celebsource.org/hayden-panettiere/its-a-wrap-for-heroes/
http://www.heroestheseries.com/more-pictures-from-the-heroes-season-one-wrap-party/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18180221/
http://www.accesshollywood.com/photos/gallery/ah712.shtml?__sourcemsnbc

Interview with James Kyson Lee (Ando)
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10343

Behind the scenes of the Peter/Sylar fight in last week's ep...
http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_xevidmegafx&Itemid=139&func=detail&id=515

I see here Sylar has figured out the source of Claire's powers must be in her ass not her brains...
(the evil evil bastard) :devil:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2888/heroeswrapparty8iw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT:
Just curious but where is the info about season 2 starting in Feb., '08 from anyway?
I can't find anything on that anywhere online.

Sci-Fi-Guy

04-27-07, 09:55 PM

Here's the regular previews (http://www.heroesrevealed.com/news/heroes-episode-20-five-years-later-promo-trailers/) for the next episode (both American & Canadian versions which have different scenes)

I have a bad feeling about Nathan.
With Sylar's future President painting and what Nathan says in that American clip about being Prez makes him the most special person there is and then in the Canadian clip we see Sylar with future-Claire...
I'm pretty sure that Sylar is disguised as Nathan.:eek:
That's not good.

Also...
If anyone wants a 4 minute sneak peek at episode 20, here are 3 scenes from this Monday's show...

Chapter 20: Five Years Gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RrYp-CJGt8)

:cool:

JBriscoe

05-01-07, 10:06 AM

well...that was...simply...

THE BEST EPISODE EVER...even though most of future story line will change, upon the assassination of Sylar by Hiro

what kind of "deal" did Sylar and Peter work out?!!?!?

Sedai

05-01-07, 02:10 PM

Yeah. The cast is really starting to get into their characters. Too bad this cast isn't returning next season.... save a couple of recurring guests...

That said, this was a great episode, and people are finally doing something. It's about time!

BobbyB

05-01-07, 02:13 PM

Best episode of the series. I really hope they reconsider revamping the cast, because Claire and Peter are characters that NEED to stay on this show.

Sedai

05-01-07, 02:27 PM

Yup

Hiro, too...

But really, some really good stuff, plot-wise last night. I agree it was the best episode of the series so far...

Zeiken

05-02-07, 03:33 AM

Too bad this cast isn't returning next season.... save a couple of recurring guests...

whats the scoop, here?

Sedai

05-02-07, 10:21 AM

whats the scoop, here?

Clicky here... (http://www.heroesrevealed.com/interview/new-heroes-for-season-2/)

Zeiken

05-02-07, 12:10 PM

Clicky here... (http://www.heroesrevealed.com/interview/new-heroes-for-season-2/)

Thanks for the link!

I appreciate that idea. Personally, i wouldnt mind them killing off everyone except for Peter, Hiro, and Mr. Bennett. I never really felt too attached to anyone else, anyway.

JBriscoe

05-02-07, 03:36 PM

anybody else think that the "kid from California who sucked the air out of his classroom and killed all his classmates" could be the next Sylar-type character for season 2?!?!?

B-card

05-02-07, 03:55 PM

ok wasn't this one of the greatest episodes so far so many different powers and Peter with his bad ass attitude and the mac all Neo style
it was great I couldn't stop talking all day about it

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-03-07, 02:34 PM

JBriscoe

05-03-07, 04:54 PM

Great episode but I did have some problems with Matt's character.
He turned bad to easily in my opinion and I found it hard to believe he couldn't tell who 'Nathan' really was.

When Nathan arrived at the detention center after giving a live speech Matt should have read his mind after seeing him pull Peter through a wall with phase powers. The Hatian was dead and I would assume he would have been ordered by Nathan to block Matt's probes while he was alive so I can see how Matt might not have known before.
He also should have heard Peter demmanding to know who he was since his brother can't phase. He looked confused enough to make me think he was about to read Nathan's mind.
Then Nathan morphs into Sylar right there and Matt doesn't even notice? I was sure Matt was going to react to that but he turns his back to them instead.

To me it seemed like they cut something out of that scene maybe due to time constraints. I'd be really happy to see something there explained on the DVD when it comes out.

I feal bad for future-Hiro wasting 5 years of his life trying to figure out a way of stopping Sylar in nthe past when all along it was Peter he should have been focusing on.
You would think Peter would have told him at some point since his guilt would make him want the past changed as well. For that matter, he has Hiro's powers so why didn't he try changing it himself?

we may not find out for sure, but I think Parkman either a) knew it was Sylar and didn't care...since the gov't pretty much sided against the heroes and he wanted to save his own life so he jumped ship...since he's always kind of been on the fence, and wanted to do something meaningful and not just be "a traffic cop" or b) like you said, the Haitian blocked out his powers, and he didn't know who he was really working for...

as for him turning his back to the Sylar/Peter battle, Parkman's main concern was the "dangerous intruders" that still remained in the locked room...he knew he wouldn't stand a chance against Sylar or Peter anyway

as for Hiro...Im not sure what you mean by Hiro should have been focusing on Peter...it was Claire who was the key...if Sylar didn't kill Claire then he wouldnt' have had regeneration powers...so...Im sure Hiro's goal was to somehow "save the cheerleader"...

and as for Peter...Peter has two problems...1 is controlling his powers, and 2 he MUST have a problem recognizing that he even gained a power (once he absorbed it from the heroes around him)...so 1, he probably knew Hiro who could probably control it better and have a better chance at stopping the bomb...or 2 that maybe 4 1/2 of those years he didn't even know he had Hiro's powers

I don't know...maybe Ive got some wires crossed, but thats at least what I thought of while watching the last episode!

ps - Sylar and Peter has some kind of deal, remember? so who knows, maybe that deal, once it comes to light, will shed some on the situation

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-04-07, 07:58 AM

as for Hiro...Im not sure what you mean by Hiro should have been focusing on Peter...it was Claire who was the key...if Sylar didn't kill Claire then he wouldnt' have had regeneration powers...so...Im sure Hiro's goal was to somehow "save the cheerleader"...

Since Sylar was NOT the bomb, there was no point in saving the cheerleader.
Future-Hiro's whole obsession was in killing Sylar BEFORE he blows up NY.
Since it was Peter who blew up the city this whole time Future-Hiro could have invested his resources in finding a way to stop Peter instead of Sylar had he known the truth.
His whole mission was based on a lie covered up by Peter & Nathan who decided to pin the explosion on Sylar.

JBriscoe

05-04-07, 02:37 PM

I see your point...but even though it was Peter "who blew up", it doesn't mean that Sylar had no part in it...that part of the equation has not been given to us yet...Sylar must have done SOMETHING to trigger Peter to explode, and that something is what Hiro is trying to prevent by killing him

JBriscoe

05-04-07, 02:53 PM

Then Nathan morphs into Sylar right there and Matt doesn't even notice? I was sure Matt was going to react to that but he turns his back to them instead.

I think I may have figured out why Parkman didn't react in any normal way...Sylar killed Eve (sexy mind controlling girl), so he has the ability to control someones mind...ie forcing Parkman to maintain his getting into the room objective

what do you think???

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-05-07, 12:04 AM

I think I may have figured out why Parkman didn't react in any normal way...Sylar killed Eve (sexy mind controlling girl), so he has the ability to control someones mind...ie forcing Parkman to maintain his getting into the room objective

what do you think???

Eve...?:goof:
If you mean Eden Sylar never got to study her brain and get her powers. She shot herself in the head to prevent him.

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I still say they cut a scene out of there.

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As Matt gets his guys to bash the door in it looks as if he's about to turn around but it cuts straight to Sylar and Peter's fight instead.

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I would have loved to have seen the rest of the Peter/Sylar fire and ice battle.

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While Mohinder was holding the door shut and all that light and sound was flashing I feel sorry for anyone on the other side of that door.
Pretty sure Matt and his boys would have been toast by then.

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I wonder who survived it?
If it was future-Peter maybe we'll see him make a time trip to the present one day.
If it was future-Sylar he might digest Peter's powers and come back himself.
Betcha the present Sylar would feel less special around his future self and try to eat his own brains.:goof:

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Escape

05-06-07, 10:36 PM

*minor spoilers*

Ok, something just clicked in as I watch this last episode of Heroes and it's eating me up cause it just doesn't sound right at all.

They mention that Hiro can't use his powers to teleport cause the Hiatian can prevent him from doing so if he gets too close. Well why doesn't he stop time away from him, then walk right up to him and knock him unconscious. I mean if tmes stops in one area, it should be stopped everywere shouldn't it. This isn't making sense.

JBriscoe

05-07-07, 08:37 PM

Eve...?:goof:
If you mean Eden Sylar never got to study her brain and get her powers. She shot herself in the head to prevent him.

ah yes, Eden...I read a few places where they referred to her as Eve like here (http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/heroes-spoilers-what-to-expect-3978.aspx) then got the two mixed up...

now onto her demise...two things...1) Sylar may have still been able to extract her power before she died from her wounds, or from her dead body; the exact scenario Sylar needs to be able to get his powers has not been revealed, or 2) there is still a possiblity she was somehow revived, bigger surprises have been written into this show, so don't count anything out

JBriscoe

05-07-07, 08:40 PM

I wonder who survived it?
If it was future-Peter maybe we'll see him make a time trip to the present one day.
If it was future-Sylar he might digest Peter's powers and come back himself.
Betcha the present Sylar would feel less special around his future self and try to eat his own brains.:goof:

the outcome won't matter...it showed the future after the bomb went off, but somehow the bomb will not go off

Pyro Tramp

05-14-07, 11:37 AM

Yoda

05-14-07, 11:53 AM

Dunno about some of those, since I haven't been watching religiously, but...

And finally, how did Peter get his scar if he can regenerate?
I don't know if his regeneration is completely fundamentally different from yours or mine. We heal, but still leave scars. I've never found it implausible that the same applies even to faster healers like Peter and Claire.

I don't think they'll attempt to explain it beyond that, but if they do, I suppose some scenario in which Peter temporarily "forgets" how to heal could be a possibility.

Pyro Tramp

05-14-07, 12:23 PM

I thought it might be a bit of a clue to him loosing his powers to an extent so not exploding, would have thought they'll show us him get the scar at least.

Another thing, when we see him explode in the future vision with Nathan standing next to him, anyone else just think of them both flying to explode out of harms way?

JBriscoe

05-14-07, 02:12 PM

Anyone able to clear up some niggles i have.....

How did Sylar get recaptured after killing Eden?

Think i've completely missed this deal between Peter and Sylar....

Why can't Hiro just get them to kill Ted (think that's nuclear guys name) before he meets Peter?

Also, wasn't the woman who can alter illusion killed 5 years in the future during the episode, so Sylar didn't have her powers since the explosion but from then. Either way, what happened to Nathan?

No one seems to have mentioned Micah in Peter exploding equation, think it's clear he has some part to play, wonder if he kills Sylar...

And finally, how did Peter get his scar if he can regenerate?

Im not sure Sylar was recaptured after he killed Eden...

The Peter/Sylar deal has not yet been revealed...

Hiro does/did not know Ted's powers will cause Peter to explode, and also, Hiro would not try to kill someone who is not "evil", since Ted did not intend for Peter to develop his power and to explode

We can assume Nathan was killed by Sylar sometime in the future, that is how Sylar is able to fly...

Micah was in a painting where he looked to be stuck in an apartment buildiong when the explosion happens (DL?? and Jessica/Nicky saw it in Linderman's building), so we can assume he was killed in the future where Peter explodes

and Peter's scar...it has not yet been revealed how he got it, but I would assume what Yoda touched on

Pyro Tramp

05-14-07, 03:04 PM

What you mean not sure if he was recaptured? He'd smashed the window and was as good as free apparently, then next episode he was back being tested and locked up.

When was this deal made, just reading the thread heard about it but don't know what you guys mean?

As for Micah, thought he looked more standing in the flames, not burning in them. Looked prophetic, like he has more a part to play than die.

But Sylar has been appearing has Nathan for 5 years, and i thought the character with that ability was working with Claire's Dad helping hide people and Parkman kills her in the episode, so Sylar can't have got the ability.

Peter's scar was mentioned when Future Hiro meets him early on and i really hope there's more to it than a cop out excuse just so he as a visual mark with no plot relevance.

Just been discussing it with some other people and an interesting point came up, Future Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to save Claire because if Peter doesn't save her, Sylar kills her and becomes invincible which he has done in the future which the bomb exploded in and he's pretending to be Nathan, yet we see him kill Claire 5 years after the bomb, so he wasn't invincible when Hiro stabs him and Future Hiro didn't need to go back in time and save the cheerleader because she already was saved. It's hard to think, but if Claire being in the future meant them saving her has actaully altered the timeline where the bomb explodes, then does this mean Sylar has nothing to do with the explosion? I've confused myself.

JBriscoe

05-14-07, 04:09 PM

ok...let me take another stab at these...

...the deal was mentioned in the last two episodes...the deal is between Sylar and Peter...although the entire details of the deal have not been revealed, one half is passing the blame of the explosion onto Sylar, when it fact it was Peter

the woman who was killed while working with Bennett was not that shape shifting woman (I think)...I believe it was the woman with the internet/ip address ability (she was only shown once in a previous episode, where she typed an online message with her mind)

future hiro and present hiro talk and future Hiro is told that the cheerleader was saved, but this did not stop the bomb...future hiro tells present hiro to go back in time and kill Sylar, and this time he will not be able to regenerate...the key being that present Hiro still needs to stab Sylar, which he has not yet done...he tried to in the last episode, but Sylar shattered his sword in his mother's apartment

Pyro Tramp

05-14-07, 04:21 PM

Hmmm. Think might just have to watch episode again lol.

JBriscoe

05-14-07, 04:29 PM

CONFIRMED

the woman killed while working with Bennet is Hana, the email/IP/IM woman

http://heroeswiki.com/Matt_Parkman_%28future%29 (http://heroeswiki.com/Matt_Parkman_%28future%29)

JBriscoe

05-15-07, 05:27 PM

It is unclear how Peter can scar since he has absorbed Claire's spontaneous regeneration (http://heroeswiki.com/Spontaneous_regeneration). Writers Joe Pokaski (http://heroeswiki.com/Joe_Pokaski) and Aron Coleite (http://heroeswiki.com/Aron_Coleite) said (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10490) about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise."

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-16-07, 06:19 AM

What you mean not sure if he was recaptured? He'd smashed the window and was as good as free apparently, then next episode he was back being tested and locked up.

The recapture only occured in the online comic (which is considered canon) where HRG was reflecting back on Eden's disfunctional life.

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So they basicly tranqued Sylar up before he could escape.:yawn:

Pyro Tramp

05-16-07, 09:14 AM

Heh, yeh when i got the link to the HeroesWiki found that out. Suprised they've got that comic series filling in so many parts from the show, found out some other missing bits answered in them as well.

Pyro Tramp

05-16-07, 07:12 PM

Just had a thought, is Linderman really dead? Think combined with his power and Sylar's he might return. Seems shame to kill such a major force in the show off with DL.

JBriscoe

05-16-07, 10:03 PM

I highly doubt he'll remain dead...we don't really know the full story on his power...I believe he'll revive himself somehow...

Pyro Tramp

05-16-07, 10:08 PM

I was thinking, considering it was his brain DL mangled, and 'killed' him with, combined with his live giving power and Sylar's operational ability thing, Linderman might revive himself as a vegetable for Sylar to fix.

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-16-07, 11:25 PM

Here are 3 new clips (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10587) from next weeks finale...

Arghhh!!!
5 more days to the exploding man!!!!!!!!!

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Ouch...

JBriscoe

05-21-07, 09:17 PM

well I guess Charles Deveaux's prophecy of "Peter flying above the world" came true...should have seen that one coming...same goes for Sylar sneaking away, destined for a healed apearance in volume 2!

anybody else super excited about the "worse" boogeyman!!!

so, should Peter now not have everyones powers? as he was in the vicinity of all the main characters...I noticed it looked as though he used Niki's super human powers when he was pounding on Sylar's face...and if so, it should make him a tougher dance partner for the villian in volume 2

I really hope Parkman dies...he was pissing me off!

BobbyB

05-21-07, 10:59 PM

That...was...sad.

:bawling:

bleacheddecay

05-22-07, 12:21 AM

I don't know about that being so sad. Most folks lived. That's a good outcome. It's better than I expected for sure.

I want to know what the wicked witches I mean Clair's grandmother's powers are?

I also am very curious about Simone's father's powers. It was good to see Simone again. She and Hiro's sister have been the hottest chicks on the show IMO. I hated when they killed her.

Yes, I'm excited about the "worse" villain. I can't wait to learn more about him.

Of course no one made sure Sylar died and stayed dead. That is sad IMO. Focus people!

Linderman shouldn't be dead IMHO either. I mean he had that great healing power and there were so many strings he was pulling.

It was pretty cool where Hiro ended up. That made me happy!

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-22-07, 03:51 AM

Pyro Tramp

05-22-07, 09:12 AM

That was terrible.

Can't be bothered to type up why yet.

JBriscoe

05-22-07, 01:20 PM

I definately liked this episode but several things bothered me. :furiousdevil:

- NY city streets desolate at night?
- Sylar crawls away and nobody notices?
- Candace doesn't revert to 'fatty-form' after being K.O.'d by Nikki?
And most of all...
- WHY IN HELL ARE PETER/SYLAR FIGHTS SO DAMN SHORT AND LAME???? :#

Not looking forward to waiting till next year for season 2 though.
I think Hiro's dad, Sulu's power is immortality.
That was so him on that horse in the past as Hiro's ancient hero.:yup:

all good points...could be due to everyone focusing on Peter blowing up, instead of a guy they thought was dead...as for Candace, I said the EXACT same thing when she morphed back after her KO or death??!?!?

I was dissappointed as well with the lack of battle between Sylar and Peter...but I guess they were strapped for time, but hello?? 2 hour finale!!!!!

and good call on Hiro's dad!!!! didn't look close enough to see it...

anoybody else notice that symbol was shown again in the past?? oh well, guess we have to wait until next year to get more info on it

B-card

05-22-07, 01:39 PM

all good points...could be due to everyone focusing on Peter blowing up, instead of a guy they thought was dead...as for Candace, I said the EXACT same thing when she morphed back after her KO or death??!?!?

I was dissappointed as well with the lack of battle between Sylar and Peter...but I guess they were strapped for time, but hello?? 2 hour finale!!!!!

and good call on Hiro's dad!!!! didn't look close enough to see it...

anoybody else notice that symbol was shown again in the past?? oh well, guess we have to wait until next year to get more info on it

Not Only that but who was Molly referring to when she said that some guy sees her when she tries to locate him but still the episode was great kind of epic and sad in the end.And why February usually new seasons come out in fall

adidasss

05-24-07, 10:53 AM

- WHY IN HELL ARE PETER/SYLAR FIGHTS SO DAMN SHORT AND LAME???? :#

Thank you!

Absolutely abysmal ending, a total anticlimax. I was so frustrated and angry I don't even know where to begin. I feel like we were totally duped, the entire season was working up to this moment and then to have it come out so incredibly weak and lame is criminal. We were lead to believe that everyone had some incredibly important role in the final outcome, especially that incredibly annoying stocky creature referred to as "the cheerleader", and then when push came to shove, what happened? What exactly was so important about that blasted girl? Would the world really gone to hell if she had died? She didn't....do....anything!! I'm sure one could explain the whole "save the cheerleader" nonsense by saying that if they hadn't reached her, Peter would not have had the regenerating power and Sylar would have killed him. But did Sylar intend to blow up the city deliberately? Why would such an egotistical maniac "off" himself?? What was the final showdown really about anyway? Why did Sylar go to that place ? If Peter was the one that was going to blow up all along why would he just wait it out and then continue to garner power from other "heroes" like he had done up to that point. What did he want with Peter? If they hadn't bothered about the cheerleader, Peter would have died and that would have been the end of it no?

And dear Lord almighty, the whole business with "love is the answer, love will save the world"?? Jesus Christ, what a load of horse s....typical of an American Tv product to try and market family values in order to sell a show with incredible script flaws. What's love got to do with it? Peter couldn't have flown up and exploded above the city by himself? What happened there anyway, did they both die? That would be absolutely catastrophic...not because of Nathan, but Peter who was without question the best and coolest character in the show.

And that's another reason why the finale was such a major let down. His character had such incredible potential and at the end, they decide not to use any of his powers except that of extra strength?? So...fraking....disappointing...the battle between him and Sylar could have been the most spectacular fight sequence on Tv ever, right up there with Neo vs. Agent Smith.

Awful awful awful....

P.s. I actually started laughing when that little girl pleaded with the cop not to die because he's "her hero"....

JBriscoe

05-24-07, 11:22 AM

We were lead to believe that everyone had some incredibly important role in the final outcome, especially that incredibly annoying stocky creature referred to as "the cheerleader", and then when push came to shove, what happened? What exactly was so important about that blasted girl? Would the world really gone to hell if she had died? She didn't....do....anything!! I'm sure one could explain the whole "save the cheerleader" nonsense by saying that if they hadn't reached her, Peter would not have had the regenerating power and Sylar would have killed him. But did Sylar intend to blow up the city deliberately? Why would such an egotistical maniac "off" himself?? What was the final showdown really about anyway? Why did Sylar go to that place ? If Peter was the one that was going to blow up all along why would he just wait it out and then continue to garner power from other "heroes" like he had done up to that point. What did he want with Peter? If they hadn't bothered about the cheerleader, Peter would have died and that would have been the end of it no?

saving the cheerleader had NOTHING to do with Peter getting the power, it was to prevent SYLAR from getting the power...if he had it, Hiro would not have been able to stop him, and therefore, it would have changed the outcome of the ending...ie Peter would have blown up in the city...geez

and Sylar was in the city for two reasons, 1. to visit his mother, and 2., the more important one, to kill Peter, and take his powers...

also, Peter had thought it was SYLAR that was going to blow up, and Sylar thought it was PETER who was going to blow up...

this isn't rocket science man!!!

ps - did Sylar crawl into the sewer? or was he DRAGGED!!!??? possibly by the "worse than the boogeyman" character!

adidasss

05-24-07, 11:46 AM

this isn't rocket science man!!!

Lol...no, it's just a very flawed script. What does the "save the cheerleader, save the world" slogan mean anyway. If, as you say, it was to prevent Sylar from getting her power, how would that end the world? Even in such a case it was possible to stop him just like he stopped Peter. He was never going to blow up. He took the exploding man's power and was perfectly able to control it. I must have not been paying attention, but didn't he have a slight problem with blowing up a city? He said it himself, he's not interested in killing innocent people, it's only other people with special powers that he was interested in. Which brings me back to the question, if he still wasn't sure if he could control such a power, why did he kill the exploding man and take it? When were his moral doubts resolved? Were they ever?

And btw, did we ever find out just how exactly he managed to get all those powers if he himself didn't have any? Or did he? If he was just a regular person, couldn't anyone then become "special"?

I had a major problem with the intention of the scriptwriters to include all of the characters in the final scene. It dissolved the tension and made their particular roles seem so much more ridiculous. Hero didn't have to be the one to stop Sylar, anyone could have put a sword through him. In fact, I would have much preferred it if Peter was the one to stop him. But he ended up doing nothing. Did the cop really have to be there? Or the cheerleader...or any of the other characters for that matter? I am not happy with the outcome....not one bit.

JBriscoe

05-24-07, 12:41 PM

ok...I'll try to get to everything you touched on....

remember...Sylar thought PETER was going to explode...and Peter thought SYLAR was going to explode...at points they thought it was themselves but they both changed their thoughts in the final two episodes...

Sylar was there to kill Peter before he blew up, and to take his powers...Sylar originally thought HE was the one going to explode but once he found out Peter had the power, he knew it was Peter...

as for "save the cheerleader, save the world"...after the explosion, that wipes out most of new york...the world completely changes...its almost a planet wide war between the humans and the genetically altered (very similiar to x-men 3)..this was touched on in the 5 Years episode...she was saved, Sylar was killable, the world is safe again

Sylar's ability is "finding out how things work" and being able to extract the powers of other heroes...it may not sound like a power, but normal humans can not do it...this is also how he is so good at controlling his powers

not just "anyone" could kill Sylar inthe final sequence as no one could "sneak up" on him as his acute hearing could allow him to hear such an attack...Hiro has the ability to transport right behind him, which is the only way to sneak up on him

everyone did have a part to play...even if it was very minor...hey may not have had a part to play in the FINAL scene, but they all affected how it ended up...and also...every hero being there might affect next year, as Peter should now have ALL their powers, so maybe that could also be why there were all there!?!?

Pyro Tramp

05-24-07, 12:59 PM

I didn't enjoy the ending either.

Although it may all have made sense, a lot of it fizzled into irrelevancy and they failed to make a climatic finale. Things that didn't make sense like when Nathan suddenly drastically changed his mind, why Peter himself couldn't fly, or why he even was going to explode and why Sylar needed to have anything to do with it. Hiro's whole journey led to nothing, his stabbing of Sylar annoyed me, it prevented a fight between him and Peter and he survived it anyway. The fact Peter probably survives (since he exploded and did in the future) was left ambigous for no reason, as was Nathan's fate. The whole Feudal Japan twist seemed tacked on like Evil Dead 2's ending, and i don't really want the series set there, even if they were to reveal Sulu was there and immortal or Hiro was Kensei would've somewhat redeemed it.

Much was alluded to but left unresolved ultimately leaving an empty finale with no emotion or conclusions. There should have at least been a cliffhanger involving the big bad, who if he was so strong, why would he DRAG Sylar into a SEWER?

Sedai

05-24-07, 02:16 PM

What I wonder is why Sylar was able to thwart Peter AGAIN, and get him in the telekenetic choke hold, then he stopped officer tubgut's barrage of bullets while still holding Peter, after which he tosses tubgut away, but, then Jessica walks up and is able to clock him with a parking meter, which takes him right out. Then, when they could have taken him out right then, Peter basically infers that the all powerful super dude she just knocked out is not as important as keeping her family safe...from.... uh...the dude she just knocked out. Wait a minute... How does that work? Ah, I see, they wanted to have Peter fight him, because he had all the powers and stuff, including his new found strength he just absorbed from Jessica. That makes sense, well, except for the part where Peter just starts punching him like a schoolyard bully, you know, instead of using one of the powers we all watch the show for and stuff.

Yeah, that's what I watched the show for, to plod through a bunch of episodes so I could watch the climactic final battle where the most powerful hero punches the super villain in the eye, soon to be followed my a crushingly emotional scene in which Clair starts crying again. Whine ass.

The villains had tried a multi-angle attack, which consisted of the doppleganger chick acting like she was Jessica and tricking Nikki into thinking Micha was hurt so they could... spend more time on these useless characters that had nothing to do with anything.

Really, I think the entire issue with all this is the Jessica/Nikki character. It was forced all season, seemed irrelevant then, and seems even less important in the finale.

adidasss

05-24-07, 02:31 PM

The villains had tried a multi-angle attack, which consisted of the doppleganger chick acting like she was Jessica and tricking Nikki into thinking Micha was hurt so they could... spend more time on these useless characters that had nothing to do with anything.

Really, I think the entire issue with all this is the Jessica/Nikki character. It was forced all season, seemed irrelevant then, and seems even less important in the finale.
Yessss!!
When Micha went to New York I thought he was going to be somewhat of a hero-messiah....but all he did was fiddle with a few computers and made an elevator work. Yay...:roll:
Not to mention that even when Micha was in mortal danger Nikki couldn't find it on her to control her alter ego, was basically a whiny b...., but suddenly, when Jessica tells her the doppelnganger isn't actually her, all is right, she assumes control of her super power and is no longer a whiny b....?

So much could have been done with this show....*sigh* Let's hope they hire some better script writers for the second season.

Sedai

05-24-07, 03:03 PM

Well, maybe they just need to plan ahead a bit more... I liked many of the episodes, and thought they were pretty well written. They just snarfed the ending, hardcore...

adidasss

05-24-07, 03:38 PM

Well, obviously I wouldn't have continued to watch it if I didn't think it was cool, especially in the beginning when we were being introduced to all their sweet-ass powers...But, again, it had much more potential than was realized. In some more capable hands we could have had one of the best Tv shows of all time...

bleacheddecay

05-24-07, 03:47 PM

Sedai

05-24-07, 04:09 PM

The whole Jessica / Nicki thing has sucked for me all along. Since when is having a psycho alternate personality a super power? I never have liked her. She's hot looking at times. At least she could do more stripping. Geez!

I guess I just don't find Ali Larter very attractive, I guess. She needs a few more curves or something... Come to think of it, not too many hotties in any of the shows I watch... The doppleganger was sort of snackalicious...

JBriscoe

05-24-07, 04:30 PM

you guys were only let down because you expected too much...it was exactly as it was hyped up to be....EXCEPT for a better fight between Peter and Sylar...but we aleady knew it was going to be Hiro who killed him anyway!

bleacheddecay

05-24-07, 04:38 PM

Actually, I was fine with it. Some good points have been made though about how empty the New York streets were, how the girl should have reverted to her fat form and so on.

JBriscoe

05-24-07, 04:41 PM

we didn't know if she was fat...or even a girl for that matter!

we can only assume (now) that she actually is the thin brunette

JBriscoe

05-24-07, 04:48 PM

The whole Feudal Japan twist seemed tacked on like Evil Dead 2's ending, and i don't really want the series set there, even if they were to reveal Sulu was there and immortal or Hiro was Kensei would've somewhat redeemed it.

I really don't think it will be set there...but I think Hiro will spend some time there to master some martial arts skills and to acquire some more knowledge on the roots of the powers

adidasss

05-24-07, 05:27 PM

JBriscoe

05-24-07, 05:34 PM

If we expected anything, it was because they made us expect a lot! And stop shouting will ya!

Im not shouting :)

I think the only thing they over hyped was the meeting between Sylar and Peter...the rest could of and should of been expected...

so many series nowadays leave us with unanswered questions....so this should not be surprising...

and as per most of the characters not playing larger roles should not have been as Mohinder said that everyone will have their roles, either large or small...

TheUsualSuspect

05-24-07, 06:53 PM

This final bothered me, especially the fight, couple punches thrown and it's over.

bleacheddecay

05-25-07, 02:46 AM

I'm not an all about the fight scenes kind of viewer. I was okay with it.

In the beginning I thought the Jessica / Nicki thing was a lame "superhero" power. (Yes, she is skinny and can be brittle or hard looking but she can also look sultry at times. I like skinny okay. I like most body types with the right brain attached though.)

I also thought the painter having to get high was really questionable.

Now I just want to know, what exactly was Simone's Dad's power? I want to know more about that. I want Simone back too because other than Hiro's sister she was the hottest chick on the show IMO.

I want to know did anyone happen to copy that cool Linderman healing power? Cause if not that's really a sad thing to have pass out of the world.

I want to know what the politician's Mom's power is.

I'd like to know how the old guard "failed" to "save the world."

Oh, and BTW, I think the whole saving the world thing was really overblown. First of all, part of New York is NOT the world. It would be terrible and tragic on a massive scale but it's not the world.

Having Sylar become president is much closer to messing up the whole world. Maybe that has been averted if Nathan is dead. Then again, why can't Sylar look like ANYONE who is president?

So, how did they save the world? That's right, they didn't. That was all a smoke screen. They made have helped the world some. That, I'd agree to. They may have averted a terrible tragedy but that's it as far as I can tell at this point.

JBriscoe

05-25-07, 09:54 AM

I also thought the painter having to get high was really questionable.

Now I just want to know, what exactly was Simone's Dad's power? I want to know more about that. I want Simone back too because other than Hiro's sister she was the hottest chick on the show IMO.

I want to know did anyone happen to copy that cool Linderman healing power? Cause if not that's really a sad thing to have pass out of the world.

I want to know what the politician's Mom's power is.

I'd like to know how they "failed" to "save the world."

Oh, and BTW, I think the whole saving the world thing was really overblown. First of all, part of New York is NOT the world. It would be terrible and tragic on a massive scale but it's not the world.

Having Sylar become president is much closer to messing up the whole world. Maybe that has be averted if Nathan is dead. Then again, why can't Sylar look like ANYONE who is president?

So, how did they save the world? That's right, they didn't. That was all a smoke screen. They made have helped the world some. That's I'd agree to. They may have averted a terrible tragedy but that's it as far as I can tell at this point.

Isaac (the painter) originally needed to be high to pain the future, but with guidance from the company was able to do it sober...remember...these "heroes" have only just noticed having powers...its not like theyve had them for years (well some of them have)

Charles Deveaux has the power of premonition...and now, so does Peter

No one has Linderman's healing power, but don't be surprised if he is not brought back to life, maybe by his own power?

"Saving the world" had very little to do with New York exploding, except for the fact that it was the start of the world gone bad...it started a global war between Heroes and Humans...this "ended life as we know it"...just like 9/11 started the war on anti-terroism...times that by 100 and you have what wouldve happend if the explosion toom place

Sylar can not take "anyone's" place...yet...he must kill Candace in order for him to alter his appearance (like he did in the future)

Escape

05-25-07, 10:12 AM

The whole Jessica / Nicki thing has sucked for me all along. Since when is having a psycho alternate personality a super power?
I believe her power is strength and we only see at the end here she has it without the alternate thing goin' on.

we didn't know if she was fat...or even a girl for that matter!

we can only assume (now) that she actually is the thin brunette
She admitted to being fat didn't she? And yeah, it didn't make sense where she got knocked out yet retained the thin look if she was. I dunno.

This final bothered me, especially the fight, couple punches thrown and it's over.
It sucked big time. Peter became yet again his wussy self in front of Sylar. That chick should not have gone up to him like that while he just stood there like a dork with his lousy reaction time.
And the Hiro's sword swing into his belly reminded me of Star Wars ep.3 where the Emperor who was being placed under arrest, jumped at them, took this huge wind up by killing the first Jedi Night. Like him, Sylar could have had his morning breakfast with coffee before that sword penetrated him. It was bogus and the realism vanished in an instant there.
And of course Hiro never killed him after all.

JBriscoe

05-25-07, 01:42 PM

She admitted to being fat didn't she? And yeah, it didn't make sense where she got knocked out yet retained the thin look if she was. I dunno.
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And the Hiro's sword swing into his belly reminded me of Star Wars ep.3 where the Emperor who was being placed under arrest, jumped at them, took this huge wind up by killing the first Jedi Night. Like him, Sylar could have had his morning breakfast with coffee before that sword penetrated him.

ya she did say something like "you should see how fat I am", but it still may not mean she's fat...how many skinny do you know who think and say they're fat!!...but I did think she would revert back to who she actually looked like, so it may just be the way she looks

...and the hiro sword stab was pretty much the only thing I HATED about the ending...it wouldve been more realistic if he stabbed him without him seeing or something, there was, like you said, way too much time for him to react

bleacheddecay

05-25-07, 02:08 PM

Isaac (the painter) originally needed to be high to pain the future, but with guidance from the company was able to do it sober...remember...these "heroes" have only just noticed having powers...its not like theyve had them for years (well some of them have)

Charles Deveaux has the power of premonition...and now, so does Peter

No one has Linderman's healing power, but don't be surprised if he is not brought back to life, maybe by his own power?

"Saving the world" had very little to do with New York exploding, except for the fact that it was the start of the world gone bad...it started a global war between Heroes and Humans...this "ended life as we know it"...just like 9/11 started the war on anti-terroism...times that by 100 and you have what wouldve happend if the explosion toom place

Sylar can not take "anyone's" place...yet...he must kill Candace in order for him to alter his appearance (like he did in the future)

Excellent points! Particularly that he had to kill Candace to get her powers. I had totally skipped over that one in my own reasoning.

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-25-07, 09:05 PM

I blame the lack of powers and effects in the final battle on the fact that this was the series' first season so they probably had a limited budget.

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I hope to see more next season (which according to the press release comes out in September, not February by the way, while the DVD is in August).

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As for how saving the cheerleader was to save the world, you have to remember that information came from future-Hiro when he first visited Peter on the subway.
In his original timeline, it was believed that Sylar was the bomb and not Peter.

Hiro believed that if Sylar didn't have Claire's regen power when he stabbed him the explosion would never have happened.

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His whole reasoning was based on a false assumption since Peter had concealed the fact for 5 years that it was he who exploded (and lived) and not Sylar at all so killing Sylar without Claire's healing abilities wouldn't have even mattered in the first place.

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So in answer to someone's question about if Nathan and Peter survived the blast, I would say Peter did but Nathan didn't.
Peter's survival wouldn't even have anything to do with him having Claire's powers (except for the fall) since the nuclear energy never harmed Ted either, only those around him like his wife.
With Peter's powers overloading out of control he couldn't control his flight power so Nathan had to be the one to help him.

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Think of it this way... you know you're about to puke and someone asks you to drive a car for them. Can ya do it? Or would you rather have someone else drive? :nope:

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If they wanted to, the writers could reveal one day that Peter had somehow regained control over his flight abilities at the last few seconds and told Nathan to sonic-boom his a$$ out of there before he blew up but that would cheapen Nathan's sacrifice of redemption.

The illusionist, Candace, should have definately reverted to her true fatty-form (she admitted it to Micah about being huge in the previous episode) after being knocked out unless of course she was faking it knowing Nikki would beat her to a pulp if she didn't just let her have Micah back. She had no need of him anymore anyway and Linderman was dead.

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As for Sylar's 'escape'.
I'm wondering if he somehow crawled away himself or if if someone else like the new big-bad who's even more scary than Sylar could have dragged him off...?

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Escape

05-25-07, 09:55 PM

I blame the lack of powers and effects in the final battle on the fact that this was the series' first season so they probably had a limited budget.
Well they still shouldn't have hyped it all up there like it was going to be something you shouldn't miss. I mean c'mon. He put up a better fight the first time he met Sylar and wasn't even prepared like he was now. Still lame even if out of moula.

If they wanted to, the writers could reveal one day that Peter had somehow regained control over his flight abilities at the last few seconds and told Nathan to sonic-boom his a$$ out of there before he blew up but that would cheapen Nathan's sacrifice of redemption.
Peter could have told him to let him go too since the free fall alone would have taken enough time to allow the explosion to take place and get Nathan's butt outta there as well. Like you said, Peter hitting the earth later on would have healed cause of that Chick's healing powers. I don't see a problem of them bringing Nathan back at all. I actually think they may let us know both of their outcomes immediately.

Sci-Fi-Guy

05-25-07, 11:29 PM

Peter could have told him to let him go too since the free fall alone would have taken enough time to allow the explosion to take place and get Nathan's butt outta there as well. Like you said, Peter hitting the earth later on would have healed cause of that Chick's healing powers. I don't see a problem of them bringing Nathan back at all. I actually think they may let us know both of their outcomes immediately.

No no no no no no no...
Keep Nathan dead!

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It makes a better story if Nathan sacrificed himself to save the city.
Remember, once he accepted Linderman and Mama Petrelli's plan to let NYC blow up he became as corrupt as them and anyone else who wanted the explosion to happen. He was no longer a Hero. There's only one definitive way for a 'true hero' to redeem himself once he turns to the dark side and that's self-sacrifice.

If Nathan turns up alive next season I'll be very disapointed.
He died a hero so they should keep him dead no matter how much his character may be liked.
I've read alot of comic books and anytime a popular character is brought back to life after dying for the universe, I lose respect for the original story of their death.

The stories of the death of heroes like Green Lantern, or Captain Marvel become meaningless once they're returned to the land of the living.

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They wrote a great story of the Joker killing Robin (the second one, Jason Todd) and now they 'took it back' so to speak and brought him back to life.

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Of course there are comic stories like the death of Superman or the recent Captain America one are basicly gimmicks and it's expected to have them return so their deaths are never definate.

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Thankfully, some characters have remained dead like the original Flash and Supergirl and have returned in name only as completely different characters taking on their mantles.

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Nathan Petrelli must remain dead!
Story-wise they could bring him back... but shouldnt.

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bleacheddecay

05-25-07, 11:38 PM

Think of it this way... you know you're about to puke and someone asks you to drive a car for them. Can ya do it? Or would you rather have someone else drive? :nope:

You made some great points!

I'm going to respond to this on because I've actually had this happen in RL. I'd rather drive. It may scare the piss out of everyone else in the car when I open the driver's side door to puke but I'd still rather drive.

I also agree with keeping Nathan dead. Was his character popular? Cause I didn't ever like him.

OTOH, did he feel like he was being evil? Did Linderman and Ma? Or do they think they are saving the world too?

JBriscoe

05-26-07, 03:15 AM

Im almost gauranteeing Sylar was dragged into the sewer...that cockroach they showed crawling out of the grate told me that...notice how many times cockroaches were mentioned/shown during the first season...something's up with that!!!

bleacheddecay

05-26-07, 01:50 PM

I've heard this before but I hadn't noticed. Of course cockroaches will eventually take over the world. They have some superpowers already.

Pyro Tramp

05-26-07, 02:12 PM

I just thought it was Team America and Sylar's power was he was transforming from cockroach to man. I really hope the new big bad didn't drag him away, how cowardly is that, having him being a hiding pussy. I think if anyone, it was Claude.

Escape

05-27-07, 07:59 PM

I'm almost guaranteeing Sylar was dragged into the sewer...that cockroach they showed crawling out of the grate told me that...notice how many times cockroaches were mentioned/shown during the first season...something's up with that!!!
Good observance JBriscoe. I didn't notice that myself.

Of course cockroaches will eventually take over the world. They have some superpowers already.
Mm-hmm. I always heard of how Cockroaches will be the only surviving living things if a Nuclear War was to demolish the planet. Tough and durable little fellows don't you think. ;)

Actually, it seems only fitting if this new big bad enemy is to have any characteristic traits, it should be of one with a survival instinct such as the Cockroach.....DUN DUN DUNNN!!!!!

I really hope the new big bad didn't drag him away, how cowardly is that, having him being a hiding pussy. I think if anyone, it was Claude.
Maybe he's just not ready to be known yet. I don't consider that cowardly at all. :nope:

Pyro Tramp

05-30-07, 07:41 PM

Yeh, maybe Escape, but you know as soon as the soon he does make himself known he won't have any problem being seen, like Linderman this season, he was an enigma then afterwards, he was seen doing several things for himself and stopped being this ominous power.

Escape

05-30-07, 09:17 PM

like Linderman this season, he was an enigma then afterwards, he was seen doing several things for himself and stopped being this ominous power.
Mm-hmm. I was surprised as hell he croaked actually. Figured him to be a bigger menace as the series went on.

bleacheddecay

05-30-07, 11:42 PM

Mm-hmm. I was surprised as hell he croaked actually. Figured him to be a bigger menace as the series went on.

I agree that sucked if it's the real end of Linderman. What kind of ongoing villain writing is this?

First we thought it was Claire's Dad that needed to die. The adoptive one.

Wait he's really good. His boss is bad.

His boss died? Well darn.

Linderman is the big bad too.

He died too? Crap.

Sylar is down but mysteriously gone? Ok, at least that will be ongoing.

I'm sure I missed some other villains in there somewhere. My point is you generally want to make a long story arc with a villain so more and more tension is gathering for the heroes of the story, right?

They are killing off the potential villains too easily and quickly.

I can live with that as long as they come up with new villains and the villains do NOT turn out to be our heroes.

Escape

05-31-07, 12:03 AM

I'm sure I missed some other villains in there somewhere. My point is you generally want to make a long story arc with a villain so more and more tension is gathering for the heroes of the story, right?
Nuclear Dude was another. Good then bad, then good, then bad, then dead lol.

They are killing off the potential villains too easily and quickly.
Sylar managed to hold out for the entire season anyways. Good points on your other characters though.

I can live with that as long as they come up with new villains and the villains do NOT turn out to be our heroes.
This new supposed bad A$$ better be a bad A$$. :yup:

JBriscoe

06-07-07, 12:22 PM

Heroes will be back on Sept. of this year, much earlier than the Feb. 08 that was planned...

...also, there will be 30 episodes in total...including 8 episodes of Heroes: Origins...an hour each devoted to new heroes that the fans will vote on to decide who will get to stay!

bleacheddecay

06-07-07, 02:30 PM

That's a lot of episodes. Wow.

Sedai

06-07-07, 03:49 PM

To clear a few things up:

Heroes Season 1 DVD Release - August 28, 2007
Heroes : Origins is NOT part of the main series. It is a Stand-alone spin-off that will contain 6 episodes. So says the Heroes site.

"The "Origins" series will consist of six stand-alone episodes, with each one introducing a new character and telling his or her back story. They'll take place within the "Heroes" universe but won't be tied into the main arc of the series, although one or two regular characters may pop up.

It will also carry an interactive element: After all six "Origins" episodes air, viewers will be able to vote on which character joins the main show the following season."

Uh-oh... Letting the audience choose the path of the show? never a good plan. DC comics tried this with the death of Robin. It didn't go well.

As for scheduling...

"Just how the "Origins" episodes will be scheduled along with the main "Heroes" storyline has yet to be worked out. The most likely scenario, Reilly says, will be to have "Heroes" start its second season in the fall and run more or less straight through its 24 episodes, with perhaps a short break during the holidays. "Origins" would then follow at the end of the season. Another option would be to run "Origins" "as a chunk" in the spring, before the concluding episodes of "Heroes."

"I'll tell you one thing you won't see is 'Origins' peppered throughout," he says. "I think that would be difficult for the audience to navigate."

Pyro Tramp

09-27-07, 09:11 PM

New season anyone? Watching now.

bleacheddecay

09-27-07, 11:33 PM

I saw the premiere. It was strange IMO. I'm actually confused. Do you think that's what they were going for?

Pyro Tramp

09-28-07, 10:07 AM

Can't help seeing it move a bit towards the secret organisations of Lost and loosing the actual hero/super powers themes. That said, thought it was quite good and while not entirely convinced, am hoping it the rest of the season will even out.

The Gnat

09-28-07, 12:15 PM

I think that this first episode is primarily set up for what is going to happen this season. If I remember correctly from season one, the first couple of episodes were good, but not great. Once they get through the character introductions and the plot set up and actually delve into the story I think that the season will be amazing. With that said, I think that the first episode was very solid.

The Prestige

10-23-07, 06:54 AM

Anybody else watching the 2nd season of this guilty pleasure tv show? I've watched four episodes so far. Myself and my girlfriend watched season 1 back to back the other day, and while its got nothing on Joss Whedon's Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Angel, its still a disturbingly addictive and entertaining television programme.

My favourite characters right now have to be Mr Bennett, Micah, Sylar and last but certainly not least, Ando :). Hiro is alrightish, but I always feel that he was purposefully set up to be the most 'loveable' one, which took some interest out of the character, as far as i'm concerned. Ando is easier to relate to and a bit funnier, as well.

Claire is alright, but she is seriously overexposed. I know that she's the shows leading sex symbol, but it's getting a tad bit ridiculous with the amount of screentime she's getting. The only good thing about Claire's scenes is that you're more than likely to see her in a scene with her dad, who is arguably the most interesting character on the show.

Anyways, Claire ain't the fittest, the girl who played the original Candice was. Missy Pygenre or something. And that girl that was in Brick.

Also, how convincing were those Americans with their extremely bizarre Irish accents?? I was like, 'are they having a laugh?!' lol.

Roll on season 2.

The Prestige

10-23-07, 11:49 AM

Oh, and the show is pretty sexy.

Sedai

10-23-07, 12:03 PM

I really liked last night's episode, and it's surrealist scenes with the Nightmare Man. Also, Ms. Bell joined the cast, and she makes any show better. Glad they are introducing an interesting character into the Micha storyline, in his cousin. Last season, the Nikki/Micha/DL family values nonsense was by far my least favorite section of the show, so, I am glad they are taking Micha in a new direction. I just don't find his character interesting. He did next to nothing last season, and continues to do pretty much nothing this season, aside from acting as a bridge into the story for the mimic (who is damn cool, btw).

So...some good stuff this season, for sure. We shall see how it all evolves.

thebest

10-23-07, 04:34 PM

The Irish accents were bad but I've heard worse.

See:Richard Gere in The Jackal.

Pyro Tramp

10-23-07, 08:27 PM

Suppose it's still early days but get mild impression that they don't know what to do with half the characters, hopefully a strong arched Season narrative will emerge but could become bit of a cliche.

jrs

10-23-07, 10:15 PM

Last night's ep. with The Nightmare Man is the best so far. Previous episodes before hand are too, TOO ridiculous

The Prestige

10-24-07, 06:46 PM

Great episode! I really liked some of the arcs in this episode. I'm liking Nathan Patrelli nowadays, too. A lot more so than in the first season. He is less annoying and is more tough.

Sylar was noticeably missed, but judging from what i've heard about the trailer next week, he'll be back. Anyone else gets the feeling that Sylar will team up with the other Hereos to take on 'The Nightmare man". It'll be interesting to see Sylar in a vulnerable position for once against something more powerful than him.

Also, i'm guessing that 'The Nightmare Man' isn't the only big bad this season. Perhaps theres someone who's more threatening than him or he has people working for him. I say that because the guy who killed Hiro's dad did not have the physique that Matt's dad had..it was a slimmer build. A bit boyish, perhaps.

Anyways, Micah's cousin is indeed cool. I ask though, since she mimic others, does that mean she can mimic abilities too? For example, if she seems Nathan fly can she do that too? Or is it just physical bodily stuff she can imitate? I know it sounds like a bit of a silly question, but we're talking about a superhero show here. :)

Lol, imagine if she watched The Matrix! She'd be bloody unstoppable! 'I know kung foo'

Pyro Tramp

10-24-07, 06:58 PM

Sci-Fi-Guy

10-28-07, 03:29 AM

I was thinking about how potentially endless Micah's cousins powers could be and also how thinner the mystery killer was thinner compared to Matt's dad. Finding Sylar still one of the most interesting characters on the show still and several others who've run their could be dropped in his favour.

I think the mystery killer might be Claire's new boyfriend.
How did the killer survive the fall with Nakamura unless he flew?
Dunno if he's working alone or with others but he's pissed at the Company and that painting of HRG dead would make more sense if it was him.

thebest

10-29-07, 02:57 PM

I liked Mohinder's appearance at Copycat's house. I'm seeing how his Company position will fulfill the same role as his list last season.

I cannot wait for Amnesia-Action Peter to meet Sylar.Oh the endless possibilities!

Am I right in saying Nathan's fight with evil Nathan is very reminiscient of Niki/Jessica in S1, what with the mirror trick and all?

Vader

11-06-07, 10:02 AM

I think the mystery killer might be Claire's new boyfriend.
How did the killer survive the fall with Nakamura unless he flew?
Dunno if he's working alone or with others but he's pissed at the Company and that painting of HRG dead would make more sense if it was him.

I completely agree. I also think it's her boyfriend. Unless it's a new character that wasn't yet introduced to us but soon we will find out who that is... i suppose.

I enjoyed Ali Larter's story but it's getting a bit dull now.
And well, I have to say that Micah's cousin has the best power! Imagine her watching The Matrix :laugh:.

I don't like The Cheerleader that much, she's a bit annoying. I prefer her dad's story and I hope he doesn't die in this season. I wish he discovered who kills him from that painting so he can kill that person first lol.

The Gnat

11-06-07, 11:12 AM

While, it now seems more likely that the killer of Mr. Nakamura is Kensai/Adam Monroe. Being that he can regenerate it would be simple for him to jump off the building and survive the fall, regenerate, and be gone prior to Ando getting over the the edge.

I do like the fact that Kensai and Monroe are the same person. I think that there is definitely a lot of potential in that area of the storyline with Peter and Monroe simply because Peter doesn't remember who he is. There probably is some baser instinct that might take over, but I have a feeling that Peter is going to end up being evil, or pseudo-evil for a little while, before his carrying nature takes over.

Sedai

11-06-07, 12:02 PM

Kensai and Monroe are the same person? Um, what? What show are you watching? I can only assume you have mixed up who Monroe is. Monroe is Matt's father, and is certainly not Kensai. I think you mean Kensai and Adam are the same person.

Also, why all the speculation? They came right out and said Adam was the killer, and Monroe was his weapon in last night's episode... They talked about it at length...

The Gnat

11-06-07, 12:27 PM

Maury is Matt's father. Monroe is Adam Monroe who Peter received the note from.

jrs

11-06-07, 01:34 PM

I wanna know, wasn't Peter's mom killed? I mean, He saw her in 1998. I found it confusing.

Oh, and thank god Hiro is back where he belongs....that whole deal with him back then was definitely definitely boring.

The Gnat

11-06-07, 01:49 PM

No, Angela Petrelli is alive and well. She was arrested for the murder of Mr. Nakamura and is awaiting sentencing/trial.

As for Hiro, I didn't find it too boring in the past, but that was mainly because I wanted to see how it was going to connect to the future. They could have done without showing quite so many of the Kensai legends, but now Hiro and Kensai are going to have a very interesting storyline.

Powdered Water

11-06-07, 04:02 PM

I am pretty stoked to see that it looks like next week we will finally start to learn what happened at the end of last season and for the next six months. I think they took to long to get to this point and I think the ratings are also bearing this out, hopefully we can start getting a little more back on track with some of the original story lines and focus on the new mission which will be... wait for it... to save the world again... LOL! That is if Peter can get back to his senses long enough to tell everyone what he saw in the future. I'm still a fan of the show but I wish I was enjoying this season more, I just think they may be tinkering a little to much instead of just continuing what worked last season.

The Gnat

11-06-07, 04:17 PM

Sedai

11-06-07, 04:34 PM

Funny, but I feel the opposite. I feel like this season they seem to have more forward motion in the story, whereas last season took FAR too long for, well, anything to actually happen. I mean, think about it, most of last season was filler. Like, a majority of it. This season has more going on, and they have gotten away from trying to squeeze all the story threads in every week, instead focusing on just a couple of them in one episode, and then covering the remaining threads the following week. MUCH better than the few minutes of each story we got each week last season.

There are also marked improvements in some of the character threads. Nikki is actually involved in the story in a way that makes sense, and Micha isn't just waiting around until his plot line kicks in. I mean really, all the family values pep talks and silly stuff about his school last season was clearly filler until they needed him in the main story. Copycat is a great character, and I am excited to see how she develops.

I dunno, I feel like, last season, we spent a majority of the time waiting for the Heroes to accept who they were and begin doing things that were interesting, while this season, they are already developed and are off on adventures and involved in intrigue.

The finale of the first season was also just not well done. Quite underwhelming. I am also still a bit irked at the blatant "lifting" of the final story arc of last season from the clearly superior Watchmen comic series from the 80s. Jeers for that.

Last Season: C-

This Season: B

The Gnat

11-06-07, 04:41 PM

I don't disagree with your sentiment Sedai, I just know from on other sites that discuss the show notably more the general feeling has been that everything is too slow at the beginning of this season. Therefore I tend to make the argument that looking back on last season people look at it as a whole and therefore like it a whole lot better a whole instead of trying to pick apart on episode at a time as they are currently doing.

jrs

11-06-07, 11:39 PM

No, Angela Petrelli is alive and well. She was arrested for the murder of Mr. Nakamura and is awaiting sentencing/trial.

That's right. Can't believe I got so messed up there. :)

Pyro Tramp

11-07-07, 10:20 AM

Maybe because i'm biased towards David Anders who i think is a great charismatic character actor and stole most of his scenes in Alias but i really loved the ending of the last episode and the promise of seeing Anders as a series regular has got me pumped, i was dreading he'd be left in the past. After that episode the season has definitely picked up slack and i think has got a strong story arch in place to carry it, the virus wiping out the future world seemed a bit too contrived, trying to give the Season an impending sense of doom but really i'm more interesting in the remaining paintings future tellings than that 'future'. Noah has become one of my favourite characters but i think he will ice his cake soon much like Mendez couldn't escape his fate, but whether it will be West or Mohinder is an interesting dynamic. Also, will Hiro have anything to actually do now he's in the present- his character is most separated from the others and i can't see his role in the season, much like Sylar and several other characters who've yet to be more than side stories.

Monkeypunch

11-07-07, 11:30 AM

Also, will Hiro have anything to actually do now he's in the present- his character is most separated from the others and i can't see his role in the season, much like Sylar and several other characters who've yet to be more than side stories.

My guess is Hiro will look for his father's killer and find Kensai/Adam Monroe, and that will lead to a fight between the two and Peter will be involved somehow.

I definitely think Dr. Suresh is going to off HRG, Niki is the "outbreak monkey," though I haven't a clue how they'll stop that, and I haven't a clue what Sylar's part in all this is, but he needs to kill off the Mexican Wonder Twins, cause they really don't seem to serve a purpose at all except boring me.

Pyro Tramp

11-07-07, 11:57 AM

My guess is Hiro will look for his father's killer and find Kensai/Adam Monroe, and that will lead to a fight between the two and Peter will be involved somehow.

I definitely think Dr. Suresh is going to off HRG, Niki is the "outbreak monkey," though I haven't a clue how they'll stop that, and I haven't a clue what Sylar's part in all this is, but he needs to kill off the Mexican Wonder Twins, cause they really don't seem to serve a purpose at all except boring me.

Yeah, realised that about Hiro and his Father's killer after posted it but really not interested in that story at all, or Hiro now he's out the past, his character i think has run it's course and think he'll be difficult to write, certainly wouldn't mind him getting the David Palmer treatment.

Agreed on Sylar and those annoying twins.

As for Mohinder killing HRG, would be an irony that the two "heroes" without powers would hit it off but think they've made that bit too obvious with the two paintings, hopefully something interesting will happen between those two, Claire and, much as i dislike him, West.

The Gnat

11-07-07, 12:00 PM

Pyro Tramp

11-07-07, 01:51 PM

I think that with Adam/Kensai being in the future/present they are showing that Hiro's line hasn't run his course. I have a feeling that Hiro will come into play simply because he has information and intimate knowledge of Kensai/Adam that most of the main heroes don't have.

Yeah, that would be about it though, unless once again they make him out to be the one meant to save the world (i.e. defeat Adam) which i would be really unimpressed at. I hope Adam kills Hiro.

Powdered Water

11-07-07, 02:46 PM

I think they are going with what worked last year, in a slow build up to the action and a slow intertwining of the characters, the difference is that when we look at the beginning of last year and look at last season we see the hectic end to it and we see how everything was brought back together and how everyones story intertwined, and pending the writers strike and how long that lasts, we should see that again this season, so in hindsight we will call this a great season, maybe not a great as the first simply for the novelty reasons, but still a great season.

That's really a pretty fair point, I'm going to watch either way so for me and my ADD I suppose I want it all and I want it all now (sooner if possible). I sure hope this strike doesn't kill this show off.

Funny, but I feel the opposite. I feel like this season they seem to have more forward motion in the story, whereas last season took FAR too long for, well, anything to actually happen. I mean, think about it, most of last season was filler. Like, a majority of it. This season has more going on, and they have gotten away from trying to squeeze all the story threads in every week, instead focusing on just a couple of them in one episode, and then covering the remaining threads the following week. MUCH better than the few minutes of each story we got each week last season.

Well I some what agree with you although don't you think they started off The Bennet's story line pretty much the same way they did last season? In a way I just feel a little robbed by the way this season started, and this could very well be totally premature, it may sort itself out and I'm just being impatient. I just think that they should be doing more to placate the people who watched last season instead of starting so many new story lines, that's why I'm pretty stoked to see next weeks show.

There are also marked improvements in some of the character threads. Nikki is actually involved in the story in a way that makes sense, and Micha isn't just waiting around until his plot line kicks in. I mean really, all the family values pep talks and silly stuff about his school last season was clearly filler until they needed him in the main story. Copycat is a great character, and I am excited to see how she develops.

I gotta disagree with you here, until this last episode I thought they were going to completely get rid of Nikki/Jessica I have hardly seen her at all. Micah too for that matter and to me they have some of the best abilities of the bunch imo.

Therefore I tend to make the argument that looking back on last season people look at it as a whole and therefore like it a whole lot better a whole instead of trying to pick apart on episode at a time as they are currently doing.

That's probably what I need to do more of as well, I get way to over board week to week.

Sci-Fi-Guy

11-08-07, 01:03 AM

jrs

11-08-07, 04:42 AM

I'm not too happy with getting an early season's end now that the writers' strike is happening.
They appearantly shot 2 endings for the end of this 'Generations' story arc for next month and one will serve as a season finale where the other was to lead into Vol. 3 and Origins.
Shelving origins was a bad idea in my opinion and the strike will make for a boring few months.

If the strike lasts too long, this might be the end if it happens. With the writers of Heroes wanting so much money, they don't care if Heroes leaves and that they just replace it w/another show or one like it.

Same goes with The Office.

Powdered Water

11-14-07, 08:22 PM

Now this weeks eppy was more like it! I'm not alone in thinking the show has been moving way to slow apparently even Tim Kring himself is apologizing to the fans of the show. It's a damn shame this season is probably over in three weeks but whatryagonnado?

Anywho, here's what Tim said last week about the show and the strike.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html

Sci-Fi-Guy

11-15-07, 03:12 AM

Now this weeks eppy was more like it! I'm not alone in thinking the show has been moving way to slow apparently even Tim Kring himself is apologizing to the fans of the show.
With as many things as they have going on it's only natural some story-arcs will progress slower than others.
The only slow things I've noticed have been the boredom of the wonder-twins in Mexico and Sylar. We're talking snail's pace here and I can't even find either of these two characters remotely interesting They're just dragging it out bit by bit when they could have thrown them in one full episode and gotten their story out.
We could have easily gone this whole season so far and not been introduced to them yet. They just aren't vital to the main stories yet.

The Peter stuff is progressing quite nicely though. It was good to see the 'what came next' scene after the big-boom in last season's finale. Now we have Hiro's story from the past tying into the present. He's gonna be pissed when he finds out it was most likely Adam who killed his Dad.

The new girl, Elle...
Wow.
She's like...all kinds of crazy wrapped in a pretty package isn't she?
So far I like her in a Harley Quinn kinda way.
I wonder during her lifetime incarceration at The Company, who was her mentor there? Someone sadisticly insane it would seem. Bob? He hides it well if it was him. Or could she have gotten her moral fiber from her substitute parent, the television? Lotsa sex & violence there.

One gripe about this last episode...
DL went out like a punk????
What the hell?
The guy had just proven himself to be a hero again and he's taken out by some random act of violence in a nightclub?
If that was the plan all along they should have just killed him off from his injuries from his encounter with Linderman.

The Gnat

11-15-07, 09:53 AM

My understanding is that Elle is Bob's kid. So she wasn't really incarcerated there, but her dad is basically the richest person in the world so he basically kept her in a controlled environment while allowing her to have anything that she wanted. But Elle is an amazing character, and one of my favorites on the show simply because she is the best acted and is one of the more interesting characters because she is whiny and spoiled and acts like a kid even though she isn't.

Sedai

11-15-07, 10:28 AM

Not to mention Elle is played by the fantastic Kristen Bell. One of my favorite young talents. Her previous show, Veronica Mars, was really well done.

Alas, the strike is going to knock all the shows out for a while...

Pyro Tramp

11-15-07, 12:00 PM

Yeah, DL's death was WEAK, considering they 'killed' him like that in Volume 1 and he then survived.

Sedai

11-15-07, 12:05 PM

I agree. They were trying to give him a more noble character arc, but the death came off as tacked on and contrived. They should have just left it as it was...

jrs

11-15-07, 06:13 PM

Yeah, DL's death was WEAK, considering they 'killed' him like that in Volume 1 and he then survived.

The death sequence in the nightclub was a flashback to the event. He is already dead.

Pyro Tramp

11-15-07, 06:23 PM

The death sequence in the nightclub was a flashback to the event. He is already dead.

Yeah, DL's death was (past tense) WEAK, considering they 'killed' him like that in Volume 1 and he then survived.

riot_redding

11-15-07, 06:25 PM

Sci-Fi-Guy

11-15-07, 06:27 PM

The death sequence in the nightclub was a flashback to the event. He is already dead.

That's the point though.
It's worse that they killed him off 4 months ago and made it a pointless death instead of a heroic one like it would have been if they had just kept him down after his fight with Linderman.

Before this episode I was actually hoping DL was merely in hiding after killing Linderman but he's obviously not.

Also the fact that we don't even see the actor's face in the last shot makes me think the scene may have been re-shot without him.
Maybe he moved on to better things and wanted out?

sisboombah

11-16-07, 11:21 AM

Has anyone made the link of the name 'Adam' yet? Between me and a friend we have come up with a theory that is Adam and Eve-esque and that all the heroes are descended from Kensei/Adam and that he was the first...

Thoughts?

yeah i thought from the first moment that we found out that kensei/adam had powers that he must be the first or one of the very first. it'll be interesting to find out what other powers he possesses. he must have teleported somehow, no?

The Gnat

11-16-07, 11:23 AM

yeah i thought from the first moment that we found out that kensei/adam had powers that he must be the first or one of the very first. it'll be interesting to find out what other powers he possesses. he must have teleported somehow, no?

Actually no need to teleport when your cells don't degenerate. His ability basically guarentees that from the point in time when he masters his ability (or possibly from the point in time when he gains his ability) which would be when Hiro met him, he won't age anymore because any celluar degeneration that would occur naturally would be fixed by his ability.

sisboombah

11-16-07, 11:51 AM

Actually no need to teleport when your cells don't degenerate. His ability basically guarentees that from the point in time when he masters his ability (or possibly from the point in time when he gains his ability) which would be when Hiro met him, he won't age anymore because any celluar degeneration that would occur naturally would be fixed by his ability.

ah cool, i didnt realise that all the would mean he wouldnt age or anything. wow, thats a long time to live. that means he really will know a lot of stuff. hey maybe he will have met lots of other people with cool abilities. oh, if peter can replicate anyones powers does that mean that peter will now not age? or will it just help him uber heal? hmmm.

The Gnat

11-16-07, 11:58 AM

It might mean that Peter won't age past this point, but it depends on whether or not Adam/Kenzei's near immortality stemmed from his control over the ability or simply the fact that he has that ability. If it stems from control over the ability, then Peter will still age simply because Peter's control over his abilities isn't all that good.

sisboombah

11-16-07, 12:15 PM

no but if peter got control of them he could become unstoppable. i wonder whats going to happen with syler.

Pyro Tramp

11-19-07, 09:30 AM

Didn't he get the power from Claire already?

sisboombah

11-19-07, 10:40 AM

yeah i guess he did. does this mean claire isnt going to age? or do claire and adam have slightly different strains of the cell regeneration?

The Gnat

11-19-07, 11:46 AM

Generally people think that Claire won't age beyond this point, or some point in the near future. Adam appears to be able to heal quicker, which might be something to do with his having his ability notably longer, or it might have to do with a slight difference in the mutation. But people generally think that is Claire becomes older she will reach a point, like Adam, where she doesn't age anymore, but there definitely isn't a definitive answer in the show about it yet.

jrs

11-19-07, 10:05 PM

In case nobody knows.....someone's gonna die in tonight's episode.

Sci-Fi-Guy

11-20-07, 02:41 AM

I was kinda freaked after seeing what happened to HRG (friggin Mohinder is such a idiotic dink...seriously).

One thing I didn't get was where Hiro wrnt back in time to save his Dad.
Wasn't Ando there from when Mama Petrelli was talking to Papa Nakamura? This time around it seems he wasn't.

The Gnat

11-20-07, 10:22 AM

Ando was there with Mama Petrelli got there, but left immediately as the conversation was starting to get the sword for Mr. Nakamura, if I remember correctly.

Mohinder is an idiot. Even if he did know that he could
save Noah after killing him. Noah is very right in saying that Mohinder is becoming just another pawn for the company.

Also, Elle, is she going to end up being good? HRG hinted that she had parts of her past erased, which I think could be a hint that her father actually isn't Bob but is the Ukranian (remember there was an extra person in the family picture who was a blonde). So, I could see Elle taking a fairly important role during the last couple of episodes in stopping in the company.

Sedai

11-20-07, 11:03 AM

So... Mohinder is an idiot because...he did what we knew he was going to do, what he was fated to do?

Whatevs. I like the direction they are taking Mohinder's character, as they are actually giving him some depth. He isn't just a silly VO source to catch people up on what is happening, like he was last year. Last season, I thought his power was to bore people to death with bad narrative.

Great episode last night, glad Elle got into some action. The Parkman stuff is very interesting, and is another turn that I think makes a so-so character more interesting.

Too bad it's all over in two weeks, I think they could have done a great full season with the threads they are running now...

Austruck

11-21-07, 12:29 AM

I have not read any of this thread because I am still catching up with this show. But I wanted to post a "made ya think" combination of photos. Tell me if you agree that, if Yoda shaved his beard...

http://photo.ringo.com/242/242729682O546912816.jpg

... if he wouldn't look like this guy:

http://www.heroes-france.fr/images/stories/personnages/images/peter/peter-Petrelli.jpg

I'm just sayin'..... And I'm back outta this thread till I catch up, so respond in the shoutbox for now. I know I'm right on this one.... :)

mark f

11-21-07, 01:14 AM

I can see it, but I think "this guy"'s ears are more Yodaish than Yoda's. :)

OG-

11-21-07, 08:09 AM

I'd say there is a mild likeness, but from the picture you posted I'd say he looks a LOT (http://horrorsnotdead.com/images/chrisbowyer-robmcelhenney.jpg) more like Rob McElhenney, creator/star of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472954/), aka the funniest show on television:

http://horrorsnotdead.com/images/chrisbowyer-robmcelhenney-small.jpg

Caitlyn

11-21-07, 11:59 PM

There is a slight resemblance between Yoda and both of them… but, for me, not enough to confuse them in a line up…

Yoda is the better looking of the three… ;)

The Gnat

12-04-07, 11:13 AM

A pretty solid ending to the volume of Heroes. Who knows if it is the end of the season or not at this point in time. I tend to think that odds are that it will be, things would have to be resolved by the end of the month, I think, to keep the show starting after a break at a reasonable point in time so that it doesn't run too far into the summer and get too close to the beginning of season three.

I'm somewhat ticked that they killed off one of the characters that they did (granted in this show who knows how perminant that is).

I don't mind that they killed of Nikki and trapped Adam under the ground in a grave, but it pissed me off that they killed of Nathan. Nathan is one of the best heroes

The one big thing that I'm hoping for with the next volume is that because of the fact that Claire and West split up, that it will mean that West is completely done with the show. He slightly redeemed himself in the last few episodes, but the actor was so bad that there was no way that character could ever be good.

Sedai

12-04-07, 01:01 PM

Solid ending? It was, by far, one of the biggest train wrecks of a finale I have ever seen. Absolutely terrible. I hated everything about it. So, so contrived, in so many ways. Just terrible. I mean, hell, where do I start...

Hiro: What.The.****. In a ridiculous identity crisis of character, Hiro buries someone alive for eternity? This is something Hiro would just never do. No way. A complete cop out and a ridiculous, soap opera caliber scenario. I was out of my chair exasperated when I saw this. Way to ruin a character. What's to like about Hiro now?

Copycat: Ok so, I spend weeks watching Copycat use her iPod to learn Kung Fu, only to see her manhandled easily when she has the drop on some thugs. I mean, she is in the house, totally aware people are entering, and they somehow get the drop on her? I don't get it, does she forget what she learns when faced with danger? I have seen some lame plot devices before, but this takes the cake. Think about it, this chick hasn't used her powers in WEEKS, and we get to the finale and she...never uses them. This character had a ton of potential and they totally, and completely blew it.

Lady Death Goo: Not sure what else to call Maya, well, aside from another waste of a character. I hate when a show spends weeks attempting to develop a character a certain way, with subtle hints of what is to come, and then completely disregards all of it in the last few minutes of the finale. The scene between Sylar, Mohinder and Death Goo had some of the worst dialogue in the show.

Elle: Alas, even Kristen Bell and her massive acting talent couldn't salvage the weak attempt at a character arc thrown into six minutes. I was so excited to see Ms. Bell stretch her legs with this complex character. Another missed opportunity.

HRG: Funny, I can't seem to follow all the turns this character makes. I don't think the writers can, either.

Claire Bear: The only character to stay in form. Too bad she didn't do much, and we never got to see Claire and Elle duke it out. Lots of foreshadowing for a rumble between these two. Another missed opportunity. Come to think of it...did ANY of the heroes square off against one another using their powers? Hardly. Hiro blinked around a bit, and SORT OF attacked Adam...but there were not really any cool battles with powers this season to speak of.

Nikki: Good Riddance to bad rubbish. Have never been a fan of this character. Regardless, the silly burning timber suddenly blocking the exit just as 1 hero leaves and the other is trapped was super, super silly. The building detonated in a tremendous explosion, you know, because it was an old empty wooden building with nothing in it. Old wooden buildings are at the top of the list of high explosives, btw. Just in case you didn't know. Gas cans, you say? Nah/ There were only a couple and the super powerful, arch nemesis, um...crack head, emptied them out. Not that they would have exploded like that anyway.

Parkman: Another character I would have loved to have seen a season long extrapolation on. Plenty of potential with his power for some cool moral play. Too bad we won't see it.

Sylar: tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, YAwn, ZzZzZZZzZZZzzZZZZzzZZZ

Micha: Damn this kid, damn him. A LOT of nonsense went down to keep this kid in the fold. His power is actually pretty cool, but they always find the silliest, most convoluted way to work him into a story sequence. Copycat's trashing, character-wise, is strictly due to the fact that the writers had to figure out a way to keep this nit-wit in the mix. I also hated how Nikki just let him run out the door to save Copycat, seconds after telling him it was too dangerous. This is the sort of stuff i am talking about. Bizarre hairpin turns by characters in this finale, that don't fit with their conduct during the rest of the series. Nikki has been INCREDIBLY overprotective of Micha the entire time, but then she lets him run out the door after some gang bangers. Her not having her power at the time made it an even worse choice, as, thinking she had no real way to protect him, she NEVER would have let him go.

I won't go into the travesty that is Peter Petrelli. Another character that turns on a dime at the drop of a hat. Peter waffled all over the place the entire season, but he had memory loss. Once he got his memory back, he...waffled some more. Oh, and nice job completely blowing off the lil' irish lass. I guess she got sucked into a temporal vortex, because she was in a future that no longer exists. OOPS.

Loose ends, busted characters, and a capital DEUS EX MACHINA. Nice way to blow a show.

It's official - Heroes sucks.

Sci-Fi-Guy

12-05-07, 05:14 AM

I liked it.
Despite some glaring flaws I thought this was one of this season's better paced episodes and a great finale since it kept me on the edge of my seat expecting every major character to die at some point.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4580/vlcsnap5406665ov4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I do agree that some of the writing seemed to be off.
With the writers strike, did they just hire some monkeys on typewriters to finish off the story?

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7035/monkeyng1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I did think Peter was still out of character after getting his memory back. No way should he have been attacking Hiro the way he was especially after Adam admitted killing Hiro's Dad.
And why the hell didn't Peter just read Adam's mind anyway?

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5629/vlcsnap5405069ij9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Also, what's with this new permanant weakness to the regens on the show? Shooting them in the head kills them permanantly??? Huh...? For one thing, being stabbed in the head doesn't perma-kill if you take the object out. Wouldn't a bullet go right through?
And for another thing... HRG was already shot in the head and recovered with regen blood!

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5385/vlcsnap5407331wk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

<sigh>
I really hope this writers strike ends soon and Hollywood gets rid of those substitute typing monkeys.
If they weren't using monkeys, then I'd have to say these writers are definately not worth what they're striking for.
Pay 'em in bananas.:rolleyes:

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4994/bananastj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sedai

12-05-07, 10:39 AM

Sci-Fi-Guy

12-05-07, 01:17 PM

So...just how did Maya's power work, anyway? At the wedding, she killed everyone, and they stayed dead when her brother helped remove the black goo. Later, when in the coyote truck, She kills all the people, and they stay dead once again. Then, when she freaks out after they crawl through the drain-pipe, she kills the lady that is helping them, but the lady wakes up, calls them diablo, and runs off. Same thing at the jail, the people get up after her eyes clear. A few more episodes in, the power doesn't even take people down, it just makes them feel sick, and they can still walk around and stuff. WTF?

Yeah, they never did really explain her abilities.
Was that ebola virus or something?
For that matter was she able to create any virus? I figured this is where they were going when we saw the epidemic in the future but no such luck (damn typing monkeys).

My assumption was she was the desease and her brother the cure so I don't know how Sylar was able to guess she could cure it herself. Quite the risk there based on absolutely nothing.

I do have to admit though I cheered when she was shot.:D
(such an annoying character)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6638/vlcsnap5701011jw5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

bleacheddecay

12-05-07, 06:41 PM

This show is really not living up to the expectations this season.

I like Hiro and Micah. That's about it.

Sometimes electricity girl is fun, sometimes . . .

*sigh*

jrs

07-29-08, 06:52 AM

Ok time to liven up this thread. Heroes returns soon and I can't wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUj785ykVns

- The shooter of Nathan Petrelli from last season is revealed - Peter Petrelli from the future.

- Nathan is revived... and has a vision from God. Believing he's an angel on God's mission, he is set up to be some sort of religious zealot in subsequent episodes.

- Sylar corners Claire in her house. Despite hitting Sylar over the head and stabbing him, she's caught. In a scene , we see Sylar probing her brain as she twitches on a table. Claire, who is conscious, asks, "Are you going to eat it?" Sylar responds, "Eat your brain? Claire, that's disgusting." He then steals her invulnerability, then puts her skull cap with the hair back on her head.

- Suresh develops a serum to give humans powers and injects himself, thus giving him super strength.

- Hiro takes over his father's company and discovers a secret formula in his father's safe... which is promptly stolen by a new speedster character. When Hiro travels to the future to see the results, he sees his future self confronting Ando over the formula... then Ando shocking him with a red bolt of electricity.

- HRG is shown in a prison cell while Nikki is shown as the mistress of a Governor.

- Parkman discovers Peter shot his brother, but Peter then zaps him into a far away desert.

Sci-Fi-Guy

08-03-08, 05:11 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQAVdkEcB84

jrs

08-03-08, 05:17 AM

Can't wait....Season 3 looks like to be a wild ride. :D

Pyro Tramp

10-05-08, 04:20 PM

Surprised this hasn't been bumped. Even if there is a LOT of deja vu, still gonna give it benefit of the doubt and stick with this season for a bit longer. Bit of a narrative mess dealing with so many separate story arcs and trying to lump in all the characters. Shame there wasn't a catch up because last season left me so underwhelmed i think i forgot it all. Anyone remember what happened to Maya, i thought she was dead?

As for thoughts on new episodes, well first 2, got third to watch next- Peter still annoys the heck out of me and really dislike the actor and character. Apart from him all the other characters seem like they should be going somewhere, there's the potential for them get there at least. Except for Mohinder, thus far they've completely stolen from Cronenberg's The Fly- almost verbatim in terms of dialogue, abilities, change in personality. That's really the main thing that's keeping Heroes only mediocre.

bleacheddecay

10-05-08, 08:01 PM

I persuaded my daughter to watch the premiere but she said she's done. I was mostly watching it for her to hang with her so I guess I'm done too.

I agree about the fly thing!

Powdered Water

10-05-08, 09:22 PM

I'm still watching, but this show has fallen way off by the wayside for me.

I couldn't even get myself to watch season 2 before they started up the new episodes this season and now I don't even know what in the hell is going on.

Hattori_Hanzo

10-08-08, 12:00 PM

The series so far has been pretty hectic and I'm hoping that they leave more room for character development. I'm still hoping.

Sedai

11-05-08, 01:23 PM

Although I like the show's tone this season, the narrative has gone right out the window. The aping of The Fly, the random switching and non-explanation of Niki's character(s), and the now overused future disaster storyline are sinking the show for me.

Sci-Fi-Guy

11-15-08, 01:06 AM

Wow.
Last week's trip to the past had so many continuity holes in it, it just wasn't right.
The timeline was way off on several events and the personalities of some of the characters was just wrong.

- Elle was caring? She was supposed to be a spoiled brat with the mind of a child back then.
- Sylar was remorseful for killing the telekenetic guy? He killed Mohinder's Dad at that time too but seemed to have forgotten it.
- Papa Petrelli was said to have died of a heart attack in one episode before and a suicide in another. It was also supposed to have happened 6 months before the events shown in that episode which had HRG hop into Suresh's cab like he did in the pilot.
- And how did Thompson not know fire-starter-Mom was Claire's real mother? He was there when The Company handed baby-Claire over to HRG.

Argh...
Hopefully with two of their comic-book writers axed from the show recently someone else will be hired to try and get the story straight.

The new Intro-title was cool though.
I hope they keep it this season since most of the main characters seem to have switched sides and become villains this year.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5408/vlcsnap1502698dv2.png (http://imageshack.us)

Powdered Water

11-15-08, 01:20 AM

At least Chuck is still on the air. I have to say it. Right now, Chuck is a superior show to Heroes. Not that my opinion really matters. But Heroes has really gone sideways, they went into the sophomore jinx head on and do not appear to be recovering this season at all.

I'm so confused... more so than usual I mean.

Btw, good to see you Sci-fi Guy.

mack

11-15-08, 04:33 AM

I'm so with you guys on this one - the last episode derailed the train from the track. Its almost like they ran out of stuff to write about, and so decided to fall back on the old "turn it upside down" trick of making the good guys bad, and the bad guys good.

Heck, I'm still skeptical about the fact that Mohinder casually becomes a murderer!

Pyro Tramp

11-17-08, 12:19 PM

Sylar was the biggest stupid so far as i'm concerned. Finding out the woman he killed wasn't his mum but in fact shares the same mother of his enemies is enough to turn him good? Big waste of character.

Sci-Fi-Guy

11-17-08, 12:48 PM

But as muched as I loved him as a villain, I like the new "good" Sylar as a Company agent while trying to keep his 'hunger' under control.
After the flashback last week, I'm wondering about Sylar's son, Noah, in the future.
Could Elle have been the mother?

I'm not a big fan of Peter and Claire turning bad though.
Peter was already a dick for leaving his Irish lass girlfriend in an alternate future last season and not going back for her.
I know the season was cut in half because of the writers strike but Come On! If that future was wiped out, what happened to Caitlin?

As for Mohinder going all 'Seth Brundle'...
Sigh...
Really? The Fly?
That's the best they could do here?

As much as I would hate to see Pushing Daisies get cancelled, at least Heroes would get back one of their better writers (http://www.heroestheseries.com/bryan-fuller-responds-to-heroes-rumors/).

mack

11-19-08, 01:47 AM

I just realized why the new improved Sylar bugs me - I actually dont mind him, but I DO mind the plot device they used to place his character on a new track.

Here's the thing - it wasnt necessary to make him Peter's bro or Angela's son. It is completely plausible, and actually an even better storyline (I think), for Sylar to have killed his own mother, and to have had to face the responding guilt issues that come with that.

In fact, I think that would have been more of a character study. I find it highly believable that a brilliant young man could have identity issues and a "slower than normal" parent (or at least, a parent that is slower than them), who did not understand his need for approval. Its also believable that in attempting to impress his own mother that he accidentally hurt her - killed her, and is bearing all the emotional baggage that entails with him in his crazy psycho killer mind.

Fast forward to Angela Petrelli's "saving" of him. Why is it so hard to believe that a person who is not blood-related to him could take an interest in molding him - for ANY intent? For all I know, Angela Petrelli could be intending to use him as a tool of destruction and mayhem. (I actually still think that's her intent.) People get used all the time - Angela P didnt need to be Sylar's mother for them to play a "mommy" angle with her, specifically if they feathered up for us guilt/regret images for Sylar regarding the death of his own mother.

Slapping him into the Petrelli family as Angela's child was a serious waste of guilt and character material if you ask me. Furthermore its slightly incestuous and myopic, because it presupposes that brilliance is only begotten by brilliance (e.g. Sylar has the Petrelli "gene" that begets "greatness"). <---even if there is truth to this, its kind of a cop out.

what about all the poor schmucks watching Heroes who were pulling for Sylar to actually BE a monster; actually BE a poor misunderstood boy; and actually triumph over real disaster.

But no. We get Angela Petrelli as a suddenly "hate-my-son-eough-to-drown-him cum love-my-son-enough-to-try-to-turn-him" mother instead. Its like they decided that the family wasnt dsyfunctional enough, so they had to drop in a doozy.

And Peter is seriously starting to get on my nerves. Does anyone on the show actually LISTEN to each other? They have deepseated miscommunication issues. Everyone's the Lone Ranger - I'm just trying to figure out how any of them have survived this long!

Pyro Tramp

11-19-08, 05:24 PM

I'm a couple episodes behind over here, as switched to TV over downloads so ease up on spoilers :)

Yeah, i don't mind the new Sylar character but don't like the character arcs they throughout without much thought, logic or respect for the audiences collective intelligence.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Angela is using Sylar and isn't really his Mother but nevertheless it's still a stupid angle to take.

The other thing that's get annoying is all the 'fake' deaths. As soon as i gasp at something that's actually happened, it turns out to be staged. Even to the extent of bringing Ali Larter back and Malcom McDowell. Cheap tactics, hope they get some balls back.

mack

11-23-08, 01:35 AM

you know what? ok, I'll have to admit that I liked this last episode. Even I thought the scene with Sylar/Elle was "awwwwww" worthy.

wonder what disaster daddy petrelli has planned for that?

Pyro Tramp

11-23-08, 01:27 PM

Well last episode i watched was that flashback filler one so happily read that rather minor spoiler lol (wasn't having a go btw mack, just thought put it out there as precaution ;).

mack

11-23-08, 09:39 PM

I know PT, I know. You should catch up though!

Pyro Tramp

11-24-08, 12:14 PM

There's better stuff to use my minimal bandwidth on lol

Eyes

02-13-09, 06:54 PM

New Season has started.

At the very least, thoughts on Sylar's actions as of late?

Sylar has been bent on learning about his biological origins. However, despite is typical nature, he spared Martin Gray even though he has a desire to kill him for walking out on his mother and him. Also, even after discovering Luke's ability of microwave emission, he walks away, rather than take the power.
Perhaps I'm being optimistic, but is he possibly on a path to being good again? or at least not quite so evil?

Austruck

02-13-09, 07:36 PM

rice1245

02-13-09, 07:40 PM

Well, we DID get a glimpse of a future Sylar who has a kid and is playing Mr. Mom.... so apparently it's possible.

And now we have to wonder if that future is going to happen or if it'll be a different one where he's Bad Sylar still.....

haha i had a panic attack for a second then realized i already saw that episode :) i miss the days where Sylar was pure not complicated evil

KasperKristensen

02-22-09, 04:27 PM

Well, we DID get a glimpse of a future Sylar who has a kid and is playing Mr. Mom.... so apparently it's possible.

And now we have to wonder if that future is going to happen or if it'll be a different one where he's Bad Sylar still.....

It makes sence that Sylar is becoming good. We did see a glimpse of the good Sylar as Austruck mentioned. But the writers also made a big deal out of pointing out that the kid he picked up reminds alot of Sylar himself. Maybe Sylar's father instincts starts to bloom because he realizes that this kid needs someone as much as he did when he was a kid... Or some gay sh*t like that (quote south park).

Sedai

02-22-09, 06:23 PM

This stuff happened ages ago... You just getting the season now?

mack

02-23-09, 12:59 AM

huh? he just picked up the mini-me kid in the last episode or two.

as much as i was pulling for him back when alternate-reality him was a good little daddy, and it was so touching to see him "find" his family and go through that personal identity crisis (only to lose it after realizing he was being manipulated), i guess my girl-feelings just cant get over the murder of Elle.

to me, that was like him coming to a fork in the road, wavering at the fork and really, really trying to go down the "Good" road......but ultimately failing and getting sucked back into Evil. i truly doubt he'll ever be that vulnerable or that willing to even try to change again. and now he has trust issues on top of the identity issues.

so no. i dont see Sylar believably recovering at this point, because i just cant believe he would willingly allow someone to hurt him like he was hurt by the Petrellis - all they did was prove to him that he really was alone in the world and in his headspace, and that the only way he'd survive in a world like the one he inhabits is to ....well, be himself (His Evil Outer Self), to protect himself (His Inner Conflicted Self).

i do see him finding himself, and i do think that finding himself is the crux event for him and his future path - however, i think that path is going to be shaped by which "him" leads him to himself: the good him, or the bad him.

and im still a firm believer that people who are good, are good because they believe it wins them something - tangible, intangible, ecclesiastical, personally, publicly or whatever. people who are good have a personal endgame. reasons behind their behavior.

those reasons no longer exist for Sylar. he tried Good, and it gained him nothing. in fact, it only made him vulnerable to be used and manipulated by the very people who feared him or at least his capacity for Evil. in transferring to the Good Team, he not only lost their respect, he became their pawn.

and for what? i for one can kind of agree with him. if were all just gonna be "Bad" let the baddest rule. Sylar's bad is just so much more bad than the bad of the Good Team baddies. "anything you can do i can do better" kind of a thing.

so no. i see Sylar finding himself on his own terms now, and unfortunately his own terms are cynical, jaded, untrusting, and happily Evil. he expects the worse and will do the worst, depending on how he feels when he wakes up in the morning.

he might become less Evil, but i dont ever see him becoming Good again, unless he's given another reason. without a reason, and with knowledge of his blood/abilitylust, he becomes even more selectively psychotic and his "plans" for himself ultimately take on another shape, which to me, makes him more dangerous. perhaps the most dangerous adversary they've seen yet.

to date, i think they've all benefited from the fact that he's had the erratic behavior of a indecisive child - flitting from one thing to the next, whatever suits his fancy from day to day. they havent yet seen him make up his mind and come up with a plan - or lead men, for that matter. Sylar alone, today is formiddable. Sylar, with a plan and some lackeys tomorrow, is a disaster!