Proposal: Rep Transfer

[Yoda]

Miriam, wonderfully wise MoFo that she is, sparked a brainstorm in me with this post (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=315819&postcount=19) in the New Rep System (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=11681) thread.

awesome. my only concern being that the previous ratings system - can't be tied in some way to the new one. and that unless we go back and find old ones, they can, indeed, go off into the ether.
About a half-second after reading this, it occurred to me that it wouldn't be especially difficult to write a script which rolls through all the reputation in the old system (almost 20,000 ratings) and adds them to the new system. But instead of each hit being worth whatever it was before, it'll just be worth +1 or -1, depending on whether or not it was positive or negative under the old system.

What does everyone think about this? It takes care of some of the downsides to having a new system, but of course a lot of that rep is for things like birthdays and the like, and I'm trying to discourage the rep system being used to simply dole points out to posters you like, regardless of how insightful or substantive a given post is.

So what do you guys think?

[ash_is_the_gal]

So what do you guys think?


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[Caitlyn]

:up:

[Golgot]

Sounds perfick. Saves going back and repping the rich pickings. Which would be impossible anyways :)

[OG-]

I guess that's acceptable.

[Yoda]

Is it desirable, though? Part of the idea behind the new system is that we should change the way we go about giving rep. Will importing the old rep undermine that? And if so, is it worth it anyway?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

:up:

[Golgot]

Is it desirable, though? Part of the idea behind the new system is that we should change the way we go about giving rep. Will importing the old rep undermine that? And if so, is it worth it anyway?

Well, if the idea of the new system is that we'll rep more freely, then the new system will be the more influential over time anyway (on any best/worst 'scoreboards' you set up etc).

And besides, look how you've enjoyed browsing thru some old threads just now ;). It'd seem a waste if good stuff from the past didn't get brought to people's attention, given that it can be easily done.

[OG-]

Is it desirable, though? Part of the idea behind the new system is that we should change the way we go about giving rep. Will importing the old rep undermine that? And if so, is it worth it anyway?

I think it will work just fine, because even if a lot of the reps are for trivial reasons, those will be in the minority as I'd assume posts that got meaningful rep from one person were more likely to get rep from others who felt the same way. While all the odd reps may dilute the count intially, I think it'll help in the end.

[7thson]

I think in the long run it will not make much a difference with the exception of older posts getting recognition. It seems a good idea to me and people are still more than likely going to give a thumbs up in birthdays threads. Every birthyday I make it to is an acheivement to me.;)

[Piddzilla]

I think what ever you decide, Chris, will be for the benefit of Mr Kite... or for all MoFos, I mean...

[Pyro Tramp]

It's a shame, i think, to make the new system the same as the old. Fresh start n'all.

Granted, being able to see posts with high praise would be good, however i feel a fair few of these posts are nothing special and perhaps would be of no signifcance for newbies. In the long run, the same MoFos will emerge at the top of the pile- not sure if that's a pro or a con. Another thing, for example, some of the long gone Jrs, his posts are for Upcoming Movies mostly, which aren't really of concern now.

Just what's going through my head.

[Golgot]

Well, the system's still distinct, coz it'll be all about the post not the poster now. That should be much more inclusive :)

The previous weighting system isn't being transferred - just 1 point for a positive rep etc, so i can't see the old votes'll be that different from the new ones.

As for the irrelevant older posts - there'll be plenty of irrelevant new ones too ;). Mebe any best/worst posts lists can be split down forum lines? Film, DVD, miscellaneous-spam-pap, etc ;). Or maybe a straight film/social divide might work? Sounds like a teething trouble to be sorted out further down the line perhaps.

Heh, i have no idea ;)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

...The previous weighting system isn't being transferred - just 1 point for a positive rep etc, so i can't see the old votes'll be that different from the new ones...
I think that is the crucial point. While including the old rep system will include a certain amount of rep notices that were given by individuals for individual reasons, those won't add up to anything in the new system, because they would be from only one person, and equal one point. For instance, if I repped Ophelia for wishing me happy birthday, it only shows up as one point for that post, because it's highly doubtful that anyone else repped her for wishing me happy birthday.

[Godsend]

I'm neutral. I don't see any gain or loss from the move.

Speaking of new additions/features, how about an arcade? :)

[thmilin]

woo! thank you yoda, for quoting me so kindly. *tear* I wuv you too!

i am all for this. the very point of the word "reputation" is a shared history of recognition for a person. mofo has been around for years, and restarting the rep system figuratively wipes out your previous reputation. no one - seriously - is going to take the time to go back, find ALL posts they were ever moved by, and vote again.

for all those worried about "making the old system like the new" - this will not be the case. we have a new system for something OLD - ie, yoda made a better system for something we already had. not a new system for something that didn't exist previously. thus, we shouldn't just throw out what people took the time to comment/mark on.

in the new system, rep equals +1 or -1. Thus, incorporating the old into the new = awesome in my book.

how do you like them equations? EH??

[Austruck]

Yoda, if you're concerned about repping the old birthday-type threads under the new system, is there a way to "ignore" those subforums when you do any sort of transfer? (And can you tell I don't have a clue how this would all work on a practical level?) :D

[Equilibrium]

I don't know. I'll wait and see the implementation of this before i pass my approval. Not that its needed haha.

[Eyes]

I'm all for it!!! :up: :licklips: :yup: :D ;) :cool:

while your at it, is there anyway of getting our lightsabers back?? :modest:

[Yoda]

I went ahead and finished/ran the transfer script the other day. All appears to have gone well. I found some of the results a bit surprising, to be sure. :) Anyway, the system now consists of 19,727 ratings from the old system, and just under 500 "new" ones, though of course they're all counted the same.

Just to be safe, I put a little flag on each of the old ratings, so that we can remove them (or simply exclude them from ratings calculations) should we ever want to. We could even have a switch where each user could choose to incorporate the old ratings or not. I don't think we'll be doing this, but we've got options.

I'll keep adding to/tweaking the ratings overview page. I hope to have something worth posting publicly in the next few days. In the meantime, here's a tidbit you might find interesting: the top three rated users of all-time are all women.

Yoda, if you're concerned about repping the old birthday-type threads under the new system, is there a way to "ignore" those subforums when you do any sort of transfer? (And can you tell I don't have a clue how this would all work on a practical level?) :D
Yes, actually. The cool thing about all this is that it's so interconnected that these sorts of ideas are almost always possible (and not even particularly difficult). I've already imported without that, but this could still be done. I'm still on the fence as to whether or not it's at all necessary, though.

[SpoOkY]

I like this transfer idea too; an integration of the old system into the new one. Over time I think it will even out and there won't be the same old people at the top for long but as Thmilin said reputation is a continuous concept and for us to suddenly dump and start new we are removing the whole point of having it in the first place. It's about placing respect where its due in my books. ;)

[Eyes]

I think the transfer went well. I can't see how many points I have though.

[Golgot]

I can't see how many points I have though.

You are now naked and free

...run, run like the milk!

i do apologise, it's late, and my brain don't equate ;)

[nebbit]

It all seems to work for me :yup: