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Hi MoFos,
As you may have noticed already, there are little icons on each post now; a thumbs up, and a thumbs down. These represent the new rep system. Here are the pertinent changes:
A thumbs up is +1, a thumbs down is -1. It doesn't matter who you are, how many posts you have, or how long you've been a member.
Clicking the icon will not interfere with your browsing at all. The icons should be replaced by a confirmation almost instantly, without any reloads or delays. It's been built this way to encourage people to continuously rate posts as they read through a thread.
You may approve or disapprove of each post one time. Subsequent ratings will be ignored.
Ratings are anonymous.
As before, it's up to each member to decide what criteria to use for approving or disapproving of a post. I very strongly recommend, however, that we all remain open to disapproving of posts even from people we generally like. One of the problems with the old system is that people took it personally when they received negative rep. It became a bomb you drop only when you very strongly disapproved of what someone had to say.
I don't specifically desire that we have a high number of negative ratings, of course, but a system that truly reflects what people think is going to have a fair number of them. If the overwhelming majority of the ratings are positive, it means the system isn't really working. I plan to disapprove of any posts I find rude, overly sensitive, irrational, highly off-topic, or even uninsightful.
My hope is that this system will allow the community to quantify not just its positive feelings towards users and posts, but it's negative ones as well, so that we can find a way to highlight positives and discourage negatives. Doing the latter without upsetting people is a tall order, but I think this may help.
A few tweaks are upcoming, of course. I'll likely be programming in a safeguard to stop people from approving or disapproving of the same person too often, and a minimum post count may be implemented as well. I don't think we'll be instituting any sort of increased ratings (positive or negative) for tenure or post counts, however.
I'll be replying to this thread a little later with a few ideas for where I plan to take this system. There are quite a few practical applications that I'm very excited about. :) In the meantime, please feel free to respond with your thoughts. I welcome any and all input. I've put a lot of thought into this system, and I admit I am a little married to the core concepts, but I'm definitely open to moderate changes.
Fire away, MoFos.
EDIT: if you're just reading this, check out my post later in the thread (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=315805&postcount=10), detailing potential uses for the system.
SamsoniteDelilah
03-09-06, 04:39 PM
huh... I'm glad there's a rep system, as I think it helps temper a lot of foolishness.
I have to say though, I will miss those little rep notes.
I have to say though, I will miss those little rep notes.
Several members have said the same thing. I do hope to find a way to let users leave each other little notes apart from the rep system. Something private, like a PM, but quicker and easier.
Either way, I hope you guys won't let the temporary exclusion of notes from the site color your opinion of the new system. The people have spoken, and they pretty obviously want the comments back in some form or another, so it'll definitely happen.
SamsoniteDelilah
03-09-06, 04:46 PM
Yay! :)
Ash_Lee
03-09-06, 04:47 PM
Great, I can use this system no problem! :D
SamsoniteDelilah
03-09-06, 04:48 PM
So, where does this rep show up, then? Not the notes - I realise you're still working on that. But the accumulation of points?
Pyro Tramp
03-09-06, 04:50 PM
I was wondering the same thing...
Great question. An answer half-exists at the moment. :)
I've created a small page which displays the top X posts, based on net rating (positives netted out against negatives. IE: 3 thumbs up and 1 thumbs down for a particular post leaves it with 2 points). It also displays the top users (also netted out), and allows you to view both using only ratings from the last day, week, or month, instead of all of them.
I'm still playing with it a bit, and hope to have it up early next week. In the meantime, I hope you'll all use the rep system extensively; the page mentioned above, and all the other ideas I have in the works, all work best with more ratings.
"I plan to disapprove of any posts I find rude, overly sensitive, irrational, highly off-topic, or even uninsightful."
Dag, that is about 99% of my posts. Insight?
Sedai <---- Blind
Okay, I promised ideas for practical applications...so...
At first, the system seems simplistic. And it is; by design. But once the ratings are stored, there are hundreds of things we can do with them. Wouldn't it be cool, for example, if...
...you could click a link inside a thread and immediately be taken to the highest rated post in that thread?
...the highest and lowest rated posts were a slightly different color, or style, so that you could identify them easily?
...you could easily view the day's most popular posts?
...you could view each user's all-time most popular posts? Or the site's all-time most popular posts, in a "greatest hits" of MoFo?
...you could run searches, and exclude results that don't meet a minimum rating?
The applications are almost limitless, really. I think the first would be particularly helpful in large threads. It's good that we've got almost 200 posts in the Matrix Revolutions (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=5749) thread, but that can be pretty daunting for a new user to scour through, and I imagine a lot of the regulars wouldn't mind skipping over the shorter, less substantive posts in those kinds of threads, and getting right to the real discussions.
What do you guys think of these? Do you especially like or dislike any of these ideas? Do you have any others? I anticipate that some of these would be, compared to some other site projects, relatively easy to implement. The turnaround between community input and implementation might be surprisingly short on a few of them.
Tacitus
03-09-06, 05:08 PM
I feel like Ceaser at the Colosseum! Excellent. :D
Tacitus
03-09-06, 05:10 PM
What do you guys think of these? Do you especially like or dislike any of these ideas? Do you have any others? I anticipate that some of these would be, compared to some other site projects, relatively easy to implement. The turnaround between community input and implementation might be surprisingly short on a few of them.
Do you want us to go through threads, giving them a retrospective thumbing? (ahem :D)
Austruck
03-09-06, 05:17 PM
That's true about the retroactive thing. How can we go through the tens of thousands of *old* posts and rate them. In our *koff* spare time?
In essence, though, I like this system. I think I'll give your posts a thumbs-up. ;)
A couple more ideas:
Top 10 posts of the week
Annual Rep Rewards for helpful users. The reward could be a DVD, or a piece of movie memorabilia.
Do you want us to go through threads, giving them a retrospective thumbing? (ahem :D)
That's true about the retroactive thing. How can we go through the tens of thousands of *old* posts and rate them. In our *koff* spare time?
It's up to you guys, of course. I plan to rate old posts as I come across them in the normal process of browsing the site. I may go out of my way to rate some of them, as well, but I don't expect anyone else to. It's unfortunate that posts before today probably won't ever get the kind of recognition they ought to, but that probably can't be helped.
Still, a number of older, popular threads are obviously still around and being added to on a regular basis, so I'd say we all still scroll by a fair number of older posts anyway. And if one catches your eye, hey, it only takes a second to register your opinion of it.
A couple more ideas:
Top 10 posts of the week
Annual Rep Rewards for helpful users. The reward could be a DVD, or a piece of movie memorabilia.
Great ideas. Both easy to implement, too. I'll save them both.
Damn, I was thinking about how all my old posts would drift off into the ether, but, after thinking about it, there are probably only two posts I can think of that actually posted something I consider worth saving (reviews aside, of course;)). Maybe it's better to let it drift...
Tacitus
03-09-06, 05:27 PM
Damn, I was thinking about how all my old posts would drift off into the ether, but, after thinking about it, there are probably only two posts I can think of that actually posted something I consider worth saving (reviews aside, of course;)). Maybe it's better to let it drift...
I think review threads would be a prime place to start (apart from my old tat, of course) if anyone wants to wile away a spare half hour... ;)
My thumb says yes :)
Which can be quite distracting while typing
I like the 'best post of the day' thing. (will it be 'of the last 24hrs' tho, rather than based around the EST day or whatever?) EDIT: And the best-of-the-week thing too. All the ideas sounds useful in fact. I'm sure there'll be teething troubles, but it looks pretty sound.
I'm glad the comments are coming back too. They were a fun addition. The only thing i'll miss is a certain balance that had evolved there - where neg reppers had to justify themselves etc. I'm sure a similar flow will emerge with this system too tho.
I think the only thing you have to fear is that MoFo's top post is going to be an esoteric bit of wisdom by Mr Last (possibly involving koalas, the texture of toblerones and a song about broken glass ;))
thmilin
03-09-06, 05:30 PM
awesome. my only concern being that the previous ratings system - can't be tied in some way to the new one. and that unless we go back and find old ones, they can, indeed, go off into the ether.
WAAAAAh. but i must say, i like having it tied to each post because i never really gave rep before. mainly because it seemed like an effort. now i can just click once, and be done. it'd be cool to have a comment OPTION but not have to give one.
The Taxi Driver
03-09-06, 05:42 PM
Lovin' the new rating system chris.
The post of the day thing is a great idea. Can't wait to see how it turns out when its all said and done
ash_is_the_gal
03-09-06, 06:12 PM
cool...I'm liking this idea so far, and I can't wait until its all organized...I never much cared for the dots anyway...;)
Austruck
03-09-06, 06:14 PM
I just thought of another good outworking of the new point-and-click rep system: It'll make thanking people in your birthday thread a LOT faster. :D
Or ought we not use it for stuff like that, Yoda? I mean, that's not really ranking the post in terms of its usefulness on the site ... and yet I know most of us used the rep system to say thanks for nice little posts that meant little to other people but ourselves.
Pyro Tramp
03-09-06, 06:53 PM
Looking forward to it...
SamsoniteDelilah
03-09-06, 06:56 PM
I think using the rep system for nice posts is still a good idea, and nag-repping people for being arses, too. I don't just come here to read about movies, I could do that at IMDb. I come for the people here.
Revenant
03-09-06, 07:31 PM
I'm excited. :yup:
It never hurts to try something new. Unless of course your playing something like Russian Roulette. :sick:
When I gave rep before I found it hard to say something original so simply clicking a yes or a no makes that a lot easier.
Impliment away.
Travis Bickle
03-09-06, 08:29 PM
This doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.
change is always good...i love to try anything new...i'm excited to see all the possibilities...thanks yoda
It sounds pretty cool, I'm excited too to see how it all pans out cause I'm a little confused/unsure about how it will affect normal Mofo life....hopefully for the best i think :)
Caitlyn
03-10-06, 12:15 PM
In the past, I have forgotten, a few times, which posts I had already given rep to... so I just rechecked a post I knew I had given a thumbs up to earlier and was able to hit it again… so, how are we supposed to know which posts we've already rated?
ash_is_the_gal
03-10-06, 12:18 PM
i was wondering the same thing. it appears there is no way to know as of right now, which kind of blows...
Fixed. :) It ignored duplicate ratings anyway, but now you'll see the "Thanks!" confirmation on posts you've already rated. Sorry about that.
Caitlyn
03-10-06, 12:31 PM
Thank you... :)
Tacitus
03-10-06, 05:17 PM
Is anyone else having their thumbs show up in a totally arbitrary fashion?
Everything's fine on IE, but it's a browser that I rarely use. Firefox seems to work when it feels like it with this new rep system...
I've cleared my cache. :)
Is anyone else having their thumbs show up in a totally arbitrary fashion?
Everything's fine on IE, but it's a browser that I rarely use. Firefox seems to work when it feels like it with this new rep system...
I've cleared my cache. :)
I've browsed the site a bit with FireFox and haven't been able to duplicate the problem yet. What shows up for you instead of the icons?
I assume you're also already taking into account the fact that you'll see "Thanks!" instead of the thumb icons if you've already rated a post.
I'm on Firefox as well, and so far no probs :)
Tacitus
03-10-06, 05:53 PM
I'm on Firefox as well, and so far no probs :)
Are you running any of the adblocker extensions? I've uninstalled mine and everything seems fine now. ;)
Edit - Nope, they're gone again. Instead of having the 2 thumbs between the post number and 'complain' buttons, they're gone with no space in between...
Strange.
I was trying out an experiemnt and it appears as though you can give yourself rep LOL. Is this supposed to be what goes on with this new rep system?
Also, how do I know when someone gives me good or bad rep and what does it look like, where do I find it? (I was a little unclear in the earlier posts I read.) Am I supposed to see it at User Control Panel? i don't see anything. Or maybe I just don't have any rep...but I did rep myself and I see nothing...LOL
I was trying out an experiemnt and it appears as though you can give yourself rep LOL. Is this supposed to be what goes on with this new rep system?
Also, how do I know when someone gives me good or bad rep and what does it look like, where do I find it? (I was a little unclear in the earlier posts I read.) Am I supposed to see it at User Control Panel? i don't see anything. Or maybe I just don't have any rep...but I did rep myself and I see nothing...LOL
yeah I have the same :confused: notions as you.
Are you running any of the adblocker extensions? I've uninstalled mine and everything seems fine now. ;)
Edit - Nope, they're gone again. Instead of having the 2 thumbs between the post number and 'complain' buttons, they're gone with no space in between...
Strange.
That's pretty odd. Any way I can talk you into posting a screenshot?
I was trying out an experiemnt and it appears as though you can give yourself rep LOL. Is this supposed to be what goes on with this new rep system?
You can't, actually. It still says "Thanks!" and all that, but it doesn't register.
Also, how do I know when someone gives me good or bad rep and what does it look like, where do I find it? (I was a little unclear in the earlier posts I read.) Am I supposed to see it at User Control Panel? i don't see anything. Or maybe I just don't have any rep...but I did rep myself and I see nothing...LOL
Right now, nowhere. But changes are forthcoming, as mentioned earlier in the thread here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=315801&postcount=8):
I've created a small page which displays the top X posts, based on net rating (positives netted out against negatives. IE: 3 thumbs up and 1 thumbs down for a particular post leaves it with 2 points). It also displays the top users (also netted out), and allows you to view both using only ratings from the last day, week, or month, instead of all of them.
I'm still playing with it a bit, and hope to have it up early next week. In the meantime, I hope you'll all use the rep system extensively; the page mentioned above, and all the other ideas I have in the works, all work best with more ratings.
All the ratings will be tracked and displayed eventually, so don't let this stop you from using the system. :)
Tacitus
03-11-06, 04:42 AM
That's pretty odd. Any way I can talk you into posting a screenshot?
I think I might have tracked the problem down - you mentioned in another thread the difference between using h ttp://www.movieetcetcetc and h ttp://movieforumsetcetcetc. Everything seems fine on www but when i click 'forums' it logs me out and loses the 3 wubbleyews.
Not wanting to tempt fate I'm just not clicking 'forums'..... but I'll stick up a screenie if it keeps happening. :)
Tacitus
03-11-06, 04:47 AM
I think I might have tracked the problem down - you mentioned in another thread the difference between using h ttp://www.movieetcetcetc and h ttp://movieforumsetcetcetc. Everything seems fine on www but when i click 'forums' it logs me out and loses the 3 wubbleyews.
Not wanting to tempt fate I'm just not clicking 'forums'..... but I'll stick up a screenie if it keeps happening. :)
Scrub that - it even seems to be working on the h ttp://movieforums addy now. Gremlins probably, from my end, but thanks anyway Chris. :)
Im loving the fact that I can give myself the thumbs up which is convient seeing as I normally agree with everything I say ;D
how can we check on our own rep?
ash_is_the_gal
03-11-06, 02:33 PM
is nobody bothering to read this thread past the first post or something? everyone keeps asking the same questions that he has taken the time to explain if you'd just read the thread...
is nobody bothering to read this thread past the first post or something? everyone keeps asking the same questions that he has taken the time to explain if you'd just read the thread...
I did read all the posts, twice. I just couldn't understand some things....
I did read all the posts, twice. I just couldn't understand some things....
yea I felt the same way, maybe a wholistic explanation would have made me understand faster.
Altho one thing that is very different from the old system is I can give a thumbs up very quickly (no comment required) which means I'm more likely to give rep more often. I wonder if this is a good thing?
Altho one thing that is very different from the old system is I can give a thumbs up very quickly (no comment required) which means I'm more likely to give rep more often. I wonder if this is a good thing?
I think so. At least, that's what I'm betting on. The system is specifically designed to solicit more rep, both positive and negative. With less rep, ratings are more easily swayed by smaller numbers of people. If there's lots of rep flying around, it's more likely to a) represent the majority view, and b) it's less likely people will take negative rep as a slight.
By making it quick and easy, we're recording people's initial judgements of a post. That's bad in the sense that some posts are better judged after a bit of thought has gone into the judgement, but sitting down and thinking it through can hurt the accuracy of the system, too. I think a lot of people tempered their dislike of certain posts before because they liked the person posting it in general, or because they felt they didn't dislike the post enough to merit giving it bad rep; especially seeing as how they had to enter a specific reason for their decision.
Overall, I trust people's initial judgements to be right far more often than not, though. Time will tell if that judgement itself is right.
Overall, I trust people's initial judgements to be right far more often than not, though.
What's this? Yoda taking the instinct route? My thumbs are a-tingle!
And my calves predict rain
;)
linespalsy
03-13-06, 10:40 PM
Okay, I promised ideas for practical applications...so...
At first, the system seems simplistic. And it is; by design. But once the ratings are stored, there are hundreds of things we can do with them. Wouldn't it be cool, for example, if...
...you could click a link inside a thread and immediately be taken to the highest rated post in that thread?
...the highest and lowest rated posts were a slightly different color, or style, so that you could identify them easily?
...you could easily view the day's most popular posts?
...you could view each user's all-time most popular posts? Or the site's all-time most popular posts, in a "greatest hits" of MoFo?
...you could run searches, and exclude results that don't meet a minimum rating?
The applications are almost limitless, really. I think the first would be particularly helpful in large threads. It's good that we've got almost 200 posts in the Matrix Revolutions (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=5749) thread, but that can be pretty daunting for a new user to scour through, and I imagine a lot of the regulars wouldn't mind skipping over the shorter, less substantive posts in those kinds of threads, and getting right to the real discussions.
I'm generally unenthusiastic about the rep system as a whole, mainly because I simply don't have an opinion one way or another about the vast majority of what's said. I rarely ever cared to rep on the old system for that reason, and probably won't any more on the new one. The popularity stats for a given post are obviously far less interesting than the worded responses to it anyway (even the facile responses - which is why the notes function was really the only worthwhile part of the old system for me).
That said, anything that makes searching the site content more helpful is very welcome from me, so that idea I think is a vast improvement over the old system. But on that front, what about a word-count search as well? I realize if your hopes for more representative repping pan out it might render such a search largely redundant, but if they don't, could it be a workable alternative?
Equilibrium
03-14-06, 02:23 AM
Sweet, I'm excited to see how this works out.
Equilibrium
03-14-06, 02:28 AM
I know I'm a jackass for this but, I've discovered a flaw. I can rate myself. That cannot be a good thing. I hope you take care of this Yoda lol, before I take advantage, you have 48 hours before I rate myself the awesomest person alive.
I know I'm a jackass for this but, I've discovered a flaw. I can rate myself. That cannot be a good thing. I hope you take care of this Yoda lol, before I take advantage, you have 48 hours before I rate myself the awesomest person alive.
I asked Yoda the same thing, here's what he said (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=316133&postcount=40)
Tacitus
03-15-06, 06:24 AM
The popularity stats for a given post are obviously far less interesting than the worded responses to it anyway (even the facile responses - which is why the notes function was really the only worthwhile part of the old system for me).
Totally agree with that.
I don't think this new 'quick 'n' easy' system will make me rep posts more often because I was always taught (and teach) to give more than a one word answer to any question, which is really what giving rep is: Did you like or dislike the post enough to make a note of the fact?
Caitlyn
03-15-06, 09:52 AM
I was always taught (and teach) to give more than a one word answer to any question
Caity's report card in Tatty's class: F
:bawling:
Tacitus
03-15-06, 10:45 AM
Caity's report card in Tatty's class: F
:bawling:
It's ok, I never liked the precocious ones. :)
Caity's report card in Tatty's class: F
:bawling:
look at it this way
Caity's Grade In Tatty's Class was an F
Caity's Grade In Tatty's Class was an F
you really got 6 A's :D :p
SamsoniteDelilah
03-15-06, 05:27 PM
It's ok, I never liked the precocious ones. :) :bawling:
Okay, you should all see a little icon to the left of the thumbs; a little person (of unspecified gender and/or race, I assure you all) with talk-line thingies protruding from his/her/its mouth. Click on that to leave that user a comment; comments will show up in the User CP, just like rep did.
Is this the sort of thing you guys had in mind?
Just curious not rushing...when do WE get to see the new system in action?
Just curious not rushing...when do WE get to see the new system in action?
Well, it already "works," but if you mean, when will you all get to see public ratings and the like, probably a few days, while I tweak/add to/test the ratings breakdown page. It's gonna be pretty ridiculously powerful. It'll do things none of us have any use for, I expect. :D
Damn fine work on the comment system, Chris, especially with the restoration and integration of the new system. I'm sure you'll make it sound like less of a task than it was, but I'm truely impressed.
Ophelia
03-15-06, 11:10 PM
Thank you yoda, this seems to be very good thus far.
Austruck
03-15-06, 11:50 PM
Yoda man. :D
It'll do things none of us have any use for, I expect. :D
I for one would like to know how many posts mentioning Repo Man and herring have got negative reps.
(And then i'm gonna harangue me some people. Can't stand herring abuse)
Is this the sort of thing you guys had in mind?
Excellent, yes. Now i can tease Minion in secret about his babyish lack of facial hair. And possibly harangue him. (Not sure what his position on herrings is).
Nice work Yodles :)
It'll do things none of us have any use for, I expect. :D
Damn.......sounds like my coffee machine/local hooker.....eh okay that was a joke.
GJ Yods!
SamsoniteDelilah
03-16-06, 12:16 AM
yyyyaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy! :D the notes are back!
And possibly harangue him.Nice work Yodles :)
Is that not a type of jelly?
Is that not a type of jelly?
It can be... it can be...
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EDIT:
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Dyammit. I was going to leave myself a mental note on the comments system to harangue 7th on the comments system, but Yods has already thought of that.
Well, he may not of thought of that, exactly, but you can't do it
(And for that he's getting a haranguing)
Oh i seeeee.... the comment is also automatically a positive rep. I didn't get that.
How do we make it into a negative one? ;)
And possibly harangue him.
A public haranguing is damn fine entertainment.
Oh i seeeee.... the comment is also automatically a positive rep. I didn't get that.
How do we make it into a negative one? ;)
Hmm, that shouldn't be. Are you sure? The comments should be completely seperate from the rep system.
Ah, my mistake. It was just coz i was prevented from sending a comment to myself - and it brought back memories of the old 'you have repped this post already' response.
(And coz i tend to make wild assumptions where technology is concerned ;))
Sinny McGuffins
03-16-06, 05:57 AM
The comments should be completely seperate from the rep system.I just tried leaving a comment and was told to spread the love.
I never did earn my lightsaber- but to hell with it. Im a fan of this new system- especially some of those features you mentioned. I particularly liked the idea of color-coding the posts according to comments.
I just tried leaving a comment and was told to spread the love.
Oh yeahhhh. That's what happened to me. That's what made me think it was tied to positive rep.
ash_is_the_gal
03-16-06, 02:15 PM
Nice work Yodles :)
Yodles? those little debbie snacks with the cream in the middle? ugh...im a pig...
Ah, that makes sense.
I've just (hopefully) removed all the rep-related errors you might receive. Let me know if you guys find any others.
ash_is_the_gal
03-16-06, 02:17 PM
oh! i just noticed we can leave comments now! im going to go comment happy...
nyabzns
03-16-06, 09:11 PM
Good idea- Certainly better than the old system , in my book. Like a forum full of ebart and ropers . ( spelling ? )
Good idea- Certainly better than the old system , in my book. Like a forum full of ebart and ropers . ( spelling ? )
Ebert and Roeper
"Why would you want to leave yourself a comment, that's just silly."
i really like this new system http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/2.gif
Yoda- any word on the post-by-post rating system? I dont like to bother you about it...but my life is pretty dull. I have very little to look forward too... ;)
Sinny McGuffins
04-21-06, 07:01 AM
Yoda- any word on the post-by-post rating system?Hey, Yoda. A response would be nice. :yup:
D'oh. Sorry about that. There was a bug with the rating breakdown page that I only just fixed. It essentially works now, so I should be putting it up this weekend. I'd like to improve it a bit more, but I think it gets the basic job done, for now. Thanks for your patience. :)
D'oh. Sorry about that. There was a bug with the rating breakdown page that I only just fixed. It essentially works now, so I should be putting it up this weekend. I'd like to improve it a bit more, but I think it gets the basic job done, for now. Thanks for your patience. :)
:cool: looking forward to it.
:cool: looking forward to it.
ditto
Sir Toose
06-06-06, 09:11 PM
"I plan to disapprove of any posts I find rude, overly sensitive, irrational, highly off-topic, or even uninsightful."
Dag, that is about 99% of my posts. Insight?
Sedai <---- Blind
You just got a thumbs up!
:D
Couple o' questions....
1. How can I view my own list of ratings I have received?
2. By clicking the thumbs up and getting the word Thanks!, that's a point right?
1. How can I view my own list of ratings I have received?
There's no way to do this at the moment. Part of me thinks it might be better if we can't, though I'm still debating the issue with myself.
2. By clicking the thumbs up and getting the word Thanks!, that's a point right?
Yes. Though it says "Thanks!" whether you click the thumbs up or the thumbs down.
SamsoniteDelilah
06-22-06, 06:55 PM
Yes. Though it says "Thanks!" whether you click the thumbs up or the thumbs down.
...which makes me smirk. :D
Tacitus
06-22-06, 07:29 PM
...which makes me smirk. :D
I just think of it as being a whole-hearted 'thanks!' or a sarcastic one.
Actually I have a question - does leaving a comment equate to a positive mark or do you have to click a thumb as well? I find myself doing both, not because I want to give two marks but because I'm a belt 'n' braces kinda guy... :)
Pyro Tramp
06-23-06, 06:27 AM
It would be nice to see a wider range of ratings instead of just the top and bottoms.
SamsoniteDelilah
06-23-06, 08:58 PM
I just think of it as being a whole-hearted 'thanks!' or a sarcastic one.
Actually I have a question - does leaving a comment equate to a positive mark or do you have to click a thumb as well? I find myself doing both, not because I want to give two marks but because I'm a belt 'n' braces kinda guy... :)
It doesn't add or subtract from rep if you don't click a thumb thingy. How would it know which to give, if you didn't click one? :D
Tacitus
06-24-06, 07:01 AM
It doesn't add or subtract from rep if you don't click a thumb thingy. How would it know which to give, if you didn't click one? :D
I'm not disputing that, I'm just after clarification. :p
SamsoniteDelilah
06-26-06, 03:09 PM
It would be nice to see a wider range of ratings instead of just the top and bottoms.
Agreed. Especially since Purandara is clogging the system on the negative side... :rolleyes:
Incidentally:
Purandara was a 15th Century musician from India.
Django was a 20th Ctnruty musician from India.
That's just a wild coincidence, right?
Tacitus
06-26-06, 03:33 PM
I've seen recently a few negative reps floating around presumably based solely on someone's opinion of a particular film (not my posts, in case anyone thinks I'm whinging). The posts weren't divisive, poorly expressed or in any way worthy of a thumbs down.
Frankly, I think it stinks to high Heaven...
SamsoniteDelilah
06-26-06, 03:54 PM
Agreed. Any opinion, well expressed, is worthy of good rep. Giving bad rep for nothing more than disagreeing (but well and respectfully put) means that the rep system is less a measure of quality in posting and more about who's the most generic thinker here.
I just think of it as being a whole-hearted 'thanks!' or a sarcastic one.
It's supposed to express thanks for participating, though I can see how it might seem sarcastic when it appears after a negative rating.
Actually I have a question - does leaving a comment equate to a positive mark or do you have to click a thumb as well? I find myself doing both, not because I want to give two marks but because I'm a belt 'n' braces kinda guy... :)
Sam's right; it's seperate. Comments don't effect ratings at all; it's just a stripped-down version of the old rep system.
Agreed. Any opinion, well expressed, is worthy of good rep. Giving bad rep for nothing more than disagreeing (but well and respectfully put) means that the rep system is less a measure of quality in posting and more about who's the most generic thinker here. :yup:
I click the "daily" positive rep and get bad link, is it just me?
SamsoniteDelilah
07-02-06, 02:19 AM
That link works for me. But the 'specific date' thing can't be combined with 'negative rep' for me, so I can never find out which posts of Puranduras have pissed people off in the last 24 hours.... :rolleyes:
Purandara88
07-11-06, 02:47 PM
You might want to tell Holden Pike that negative repping isn't supposed to be used for minor disagreements about films, since he negrepped the following:
I love Mean Streets, but Wong Kar-Wai's remake (As Tears go By) is perhaps even better.
You might want to tell Holden Pike that negative repping isn't supposed to be used for minor disagreements about films, since he negrepped the following:
Seeing as how there's no way for you to actually know what he's repped, specifically, I can only assume that he left you a negative comment, and that you assumed that was rep. Actual rep is anonymous; comments have no effect on one's rating.
That said, while I happen to agree with you here (assuming he did negative rep you for that post), it's still up to each user.
ash_is_the_gal
07-11-06, 03:32 PM
Yoda, i can remember discussing with you once the whole negative rep thing and how i was iffy about using it for just anything, i said i would not negative rep someone just cause i disagreed with what they said or our opinions on a movie were at opposite ends of the spectrum. i thought i remembered you saying that giving someone a negative rep point when you disagree with them is encouraged?
i could be wrong... maybe i didn't get what you were saying. i don't have a document of this chat either, so i can't back it up!
in any case, i too think how one perceives giving Rep should be up to each user, eliminating anything extreme.
Tacitus
07-11-06, 03:38 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think it's an absolute nonsense to give bad rep purely because you disagree with someone's ideas on a film. Pathetic.
The only reason I could condone it being used in that way is if someone's opinion is expressed in an especially obdurate, nasty or condescending manner.
Yoda, i can remember discussing with you once the whole negative rep thing and how i was iffy about using it for just anything, i said i would not negative rep someone just cause i disagreed with what they said or our opinions on a movie were at opposite ends of the spectrum. i thought i remembered you saying that giving someone a negative rep point when you disagree with them is encouraged?
i could be wrong... maybe i didn't get what you were saying. i don't have a document of this chat either, so i can't back it up!
in any case, i too think how one perceives giving Rep should be up to each user, eliminating anything extreme.
You're not entirely wrong. I generally recommend that people negative rep posts that, aside from being rude or pointless, are also uninsightful or poorly reasoned. That's just my opinion, though.
What I was trying to convey (and I may have done so in a confusing manner...if so, my apologies) was that I think the system works best when people give rep based on the thought and courtesy in a post, rather than simple agreement or disagreement. I've given positive rep to posts I've disagreed with because they were articulate and reasonable. Similarly, I've given negative rep to posts that I had no beef with, but struck me as highly uninsightful.
The plans I have for sorting and search through ratings work infinitely better, and more accurately highlight the best posts, if negative ratings are not restricted only to posts that are somewhat offensive. But, again, people are free to use the system in other ways if they wish.
SamsoniteDelilah
07-11-06, 03:52 PM
You're not entirely wrong. I generally recommend that people negative rep posts that, aside from being rude or pointless, are also uninsightful or poorly reasoned. That's just my opinion, though.
What I was trying to convey (and I may have done so in a confusing manner...if so, my apologies) was that I think the system works best when people give rep based on the thought and courtesy in a post, rather than simple agreement or disagreement. I've given positive rep to posts I've disagreed with because they were articulate and reasonable. Similarly, I've given negative rep to posts that I had no beef with, but struck me as highly uninsightful.
This is how I think it should be as well, in hopes that the rep system would encourage good posting, which would incourage posting in general.
The plans I have for sorting and search through ratings work infinitely better, and more accurately highlight the best posts, if negative ratings are not restricted only to posts that are somewhat offensive. But, again, people are free to use the system in other ways if they wish.
When people are using it for different things, the whole thing becomes a bit of a mudbath. The way it is right now, when you can't tell who repped what, you can't begin to guess why... it all winds up kinda meaningless.
This is how I think it should be as well, in hopes that the rep system would encourage good posting, which would incourage posting in general.
I agree. I'm advocating this because I'm thinking through to the end result, which are pages that show, for example, the best posts in a day, or week. If the system is used somewhat randomly, how many of the best ones will just be someone's birthday thread? I had hoped that the ability to leave comments might help alleviate that...from the looks of things, it has somewhat, but not completely.
When people are using it for different things, the whole thing becomes a bit of a mudbath. The way it is right now, when you can't tell who repped what, you can't begin to guess why... it all winds up kinda meaningless.
Well, there are, unfortunately, only a few ways to remedy this sort of randomness:
Take the guidelines and make them quasi-rules. This would probably encourage more people to go by them, but there'd be no way to police it and it seems a tad draconian.
Make all ratings completely public. I'm not nuts about this, as some rep wars will inevitably follow, and there's a good chance people who generally like each other will never negative rep one another, even if a usually insightful member makes a bad post.
Release more mechanisms that quantify and sort based on these ratings in the hopes that the practical applications will encourage people to adopt the guidelines.
Scrap the system entirely. Not my choice, obviously.
Any thoughts? Any other options I'm missing?
Tacitus
07-11-06, 04:01 PM
When people are using it for different things, the whole thing becomes a bit of a mudbath. The way it is right now, when you can't tell who repped what, you can't begin to guess why... it all winds up kinda meaningless.
Yup. I'd love it if there was a way for individual users to find out which of their posts (not necessarily who did the repping, if we're still keeping the thing anonymous) people agreed or disagreed with. The list that's available to everyone only goes so far.
Maybe something in the UserCP? This might be difficult to achieve, I know, but as Cindy says: it's getting a bit meaningless. :)
SamsoniteDelilah
07-11-06, 04:26 PM
I agree. I'm advocating this because I'm thinking through to the end result, which are pages that show, for example, the best posts in a day, or week. If the system is used somewhat randomly, how many of the best ones will just be someone's birthday thread? I had hoped that the ability to leave comments might help alleviate that...from the looks of things, it has somewhat, but not completely.
I can only speak for me, but I know I've gotten several comments that weren't accompanied by any rep, so yeah, it seems to be a way to do just that: comment - which is nice.
Well, there are, unfortunately, only a few ways to remedy this sort of randomness:
Take the guidelines and make them quasi-rules. This would probably encourage more people to go by them, but there'd be no way to police it and it seems a tad draconian.
Make all ratings completely public. I'm not nuts about this, as some rep wars will inevitably follow, and there's a good chance people who generally like each other will never negative rep one another, even if a usually insightful member makes a bad post.
Release more mechanisms that quantify and sort based on these ratings in the hopes that the practical applications will encourage people to adopt the guidelines.
Scrap the system entirely. Not my choice, obviously.
Any thoughts? Any other options I'm missing?
Maybe writing the guidelines really clearly and stickying them?
I'm curious about option 3 in your list.
Just for the record, this whole phenomenon fascinates me. I've been a member of three online communities now, and how people interact within them never ceases to ... well.. fascinate me. So, while I think you already know this, I want to be clear that I'm not just complaining about how you're running the show - I'm actually really interested in seeing how things fit together, technically and sociologically.
Purandara88
07-11-06, 05:22 PM
Seeing as how there's no way for you to actually know what he's repped, specifically, I can only assume that he left you a negative comment, and that you assumed that was rep. Actual rep is anonymous; comments have no effect on one's rating.
That said, while I happen to agree with you here (assuming he did negative rep you for that post), it's still up to each user.
He left a negative comment about the post and there is a negative rep for the post as well. I think the assumption that Holden Pike is responsible for the negative rating is a fairly sound one, in this case.
I'd be cautiously in favor of making reps transparent, at least to rep-er and rep-ee. Honestly, I'd like to maybe have reps tied to comments, to make people justify the reps they do make. I think it would discourage people from gratuitous repping (positive OR negative), and, it would be a lot more useful to posters. Sometimes, the reasons for a particular rep are fairly obvious, other times, they're not readily apparent at all.
He left a negative comment about the post and there is a negative rep for the post as well. I think the assumption that Holden Pike is responsible for the negative rating is a fairly sound one, in this case.
I didn't say otherwise; I was explaining the system to you. Chill.
I'd be cautiously in favor of making reps transparent, at least to rep-er and rep-ee. Honestly, I'd like to maybe have reps tied to comments, to make people justify the reps they do make. I think it would discourage people from gratuitous repping (positive OR negative), and, it would be a lot more useful to posters. Sometimes, the reasons for a particular rep are fairly obvious, other times, they're not readily apparent at all.
You're describing the old system, which was a chaotic, vindictive mess. I'm feeling out this situation, and am far from confident about which course of action to take, but experience tells me that total transparency would cause far more problems than it solves.
I do think I'm going to try to throw together something like what Tacitus is talking about, though. While I think ratings will be more honest if they're anonymous, I do think users will respond to those ratings more if than can see a comprehensive breakdown of where they stand.
Purandara88
07-11-06, 06:37 PM
More than anything, I just think that ratings should be connected to comments in some meaningful way. Otherwise, it's just random and offers very little in the way of instruction to users.
And I really do think that if users HAD to comment and provide justification to rep a post, they'd be less likely to just fart out reps at seeming random.
More than anything, I just think that ratings should be connected to comments in some meaningful way. Otherwise, it's just random and offers very little in the way of instruction to users.
And I really do think that if users HAD to comment and provide justification to rep a post, they'd be less likely to just fart out reps at seeming random.
This sounds good, but like I said, we've already tried that, and it just didn't turn out that way. People would leave meaningless comments, or just not rep people at all, because they weren't confident in their ability to justify it. It also made it significantly harder to give or take rep, which is antithema to pretty much the entire idea.
Your assumptions are reasonable, but for numerous reasons it just doesn't turn out that way. We tried it for a couple of years, and the current system, for all its faults, has been a marked improvement.
I don't think we can elimate rep like Holden's. If someone really likes a film, and someone else says anything at all to slight it, there are going to be times where they rep unreasonably. All we can do, I think, is make the system easy enough to use that we get enough honest ratings in there to balance out the less sensible ones.
Purandara88
07-11-06, 06:57 PM
Heh.
Then how about a personal plea. If you're going to rep me one way or the other, how about a comment? At least I know where you're coming from.
That's a reasonable request, but I don't think I buy the idea that you generally have no idea why you're getting negative rep. Personally, I'll leave a comment if it's not glaringly obvious; but in most instances, I think it is...and will be.
Heh.
Then how about a personal plea. If you're going to rep me one way or the other, how about a comment? At least I know where you're coming from.
In all seriousness Punjabi you know why you get so many negative reps.
In all seriousness Punjabi you know why you get so many negative reps.
No insight :yup:
I was just looking at the link that gives you the option to find all posts by a certain member where it lists all posts sorted by date and gives basic info on that post: replies/views/etc... Is there anyway to show how much rep, pos and neg a post gets in this area? It seems like if it is possible it would save some time for one to see the rep for their latest posts witout jumping around thread to thread. Just wondering? Or is there already a way to do this and I am not seeing it? Thanks.
ash_is_the_gal
07-19-06, 12:06 PM
i for the most part, like the new Rep system thus far. the only thing i miss is being able to keep track of my Rep. there is really no possible way to do that now, since the User Control Panel only keeps track of comments which are not linked to the Rep System. i am fine with the anonymity, i just think it would be nice if each user could keep track of his or her own Rep history. no?
(it almost seems like the whole system is useless, if we all have points but we never can see our total Points. the only peoples points who seem to really matter are the Top ten or whatever that have the most, who are posted on the page. everyone else has not a clue what their points are)
I like it, it means no one can see my four little green ball's in comparison to all the other people with 17,000 balls saying "Caitlyn is just....wow", if I play my cards right people will think im as popular as them......:devil: *Mr. Burns*Excellent
if I play my cards right people will think im as popular as them.....
To me you are No. 1 :kiss:
i for the most part, like the new Rep system thus far. the only thing i miss is being able to keep track of my Rep. there is really no possible way to do that now, since the User Control Panel only keeps track of comments which are not linked to the Rep System. i am fine with the anonymity, i just think it would be nice if each user could keep track of his or her own Rep history. no?
(it almost seems like the whole system is useless, if we all have points but we never can see our total Points. the only peoples points who seem to really matter are the Top ten or whatever that have the most, who are posted on the page. everyone else has not a clue what their points are)
:yup:
I think you said it was possible, correct, Yods?
Okay, we don't have any kind of full-on rep viewing center, but a few people have asked for totals, so totals for negative rep, positive rep, and the difference between the two are now available on the left-hand side of the User CP (http://www.movieforums.com/community/usercp.php). Give me a bit of time to work out the kinks (plus and minus signs, for example), and hopefully expand it at some point, but for now, I thought this would be a good start. :)
John McClane
02-01-07, 09:36 PM
Okay, we don't have any kind of full-on rep viewing center, but a few people have asked for totals, so totals for negative rep, positive rep, and the difference between the two are now available on the left-hand side of the User CP (http://www.movieforums.com/community/usercp.php). Give me a bit of time to work out the kinks (plus and minus signs, for example), and hopefully expand it at some point, but for now, I thought this would be a good start. :)Awesome. :up:
Awesome. :up:
Damn awesome!!!!! Chris that is so cool. :cool:
John McClane
02-01-07, 10:48 PM
Actually, I just looked at it a bit more carefully and it's counting the rep we're giving, not receiving. Were you intending it to be that way or was it supposed to be the other way around?
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
02-02-07, 02:40 AM
Hell effin yes you clowns, I've given more positive rep than (insert joke). Hecks yeah!
diamondgeeza
02-02-07, 08:14 AM
Just had a gander at mine, -1, Get in!!!
Actually, I just looked at it a bit more carefully and it's counting the rep we're giving, not receiving. Were you intending it to be that way or was it supposed to be the other way around?
You're right, John, it's backwards! That's what I get for not re-familiarizing myself with the system I wrote awhile back. Heh. I'll correct it as soon as I get home this afternoon. :) Good catch!
Austruck
02-02-07, 12:24 PM
No hurry, Yoda. Right now I'm sitting at 131 positive and no negative. So, from where I sit, it's all good. ;)
John McClane
02-02-07, 12:50 PM
Yea, I noticed when my negative rep didn't match with the top ten all time negative points. :D
No rush at all, Yoda.
I'm -47 right now.
61 Negative and 14 positive
John McClane
02-02-07, 01:27 PM
I'm -47 right now.
61 Negative and 14 positiveWow. You give a lot of negative rep.
Well, I know for a fact that 20 of those came in one day when I got pissed at Holden and decided I would give him negative rep the whole day LOL
As for the rest of it, most of the time I don't normally go "I agree. I'll give you positive" instead I see something and go "Holy crap. That's so far off you need some negative feedback."
A negative post normally sticks out to me more than a positive one, so those 14 positive are major compliments :yup:
Austruck
02-02-07, 02:12 PM
I tend to just ignore "negative" posts, and I don't usually frequent the subforums that talk about things like politics or religion, so I think those are two reasons I have 100% positive reps going out right now.
I'm just a happy-go-lucky person, I guess.
*koff*
John McClane
02-02-07, 02:26 PM
I tend to just ignore "negative" posts, and I don't usually frequent the subforums that talk about things like politics or religion, so I think those are two reasons I have 100% positive reps going out right now.I normally only give bad rep if the post veers off from the thread in a negative way. Also, if people insult others in large amounts. :yup: Normally I don't see it happen that often but, it happens politics or not.
Austruck
02-02-07, 02:43 PM
Oh, I'm sure it can happen elsewhere too ... but I see it has a heckuva lot less likely in the Battlestar Galactica threads where I currently spend way too much time. ;)
I can hear the negative posts there now: "Hey, you muthufrakkuh! You're a cylon!"
Not quite the same punch to it.... ;)
PimpDaShizzle V2.0
02-02-07, 08:29 PM
In order to be offended by negative rep you'd have to have a very simple life.
You're right, John, it's backwards! That's what I get for not re-familiarizing myself with the system I wrote awhile back. Heh. I'll correct it as soon as I get home this afternoon. :) Good catch!I don't believe it was backwards for all of us. My total was 228 and there is no way I gave out that many. Do these reps go way back or has it only started recently with the change?
Positive: 134
Negative: 11
Total: 123
Yaya! More people love me than hate me!!!
(watch me get negative rep for that statement)
Ðèstîñy
02-07-07, 09:53 PM
I believe that what John McClane said, applies to everyone. That number, is what you have sent out, not received. Go rep someone, and see what your numbers do.
Okay, should be all fixed now. :) Let me know if you guys have any other problems.
John McClane
02-07-07, 10:06 PM
Yup, it's working. I have a total of 169. That's surprising. :yup:
Thanks for fixing it. :up:
Ðèstîñy
02-07-07, 10:08 PM
Yep, that was fast. heheh
Ok and now to show everyone who sent us the negative reps.
Oh and their pictures and place of address just below that if you could. Thanks Yoda. :cool:
Yep, that was fast. heheh
Heh. I wish! Took me 5 minutes when I sat down and did it...which was a couple days after it was first pointed out to me. D'oh.
Ok and now to show everyone who sent us the negative reps.
Oh and their pictures and place of address just below that if you could. Thanks Yoda. :cool:
I read this, and then your signature. Then I called the police.
Heh. I wish! Took me 5 minutes when I sat down and did it...which was a couple days after it was first pointed out to me. D'oh.
I read this, and then your signature. Then I called the police.
Er uhh heheh yeah um, a Joke. Yeah just a joke there big guy. No harm intended. ;D
Positive: 189
Negative: 13
Total: 176
Well this is even better :)
Positive: 23
Negative: 68
Total: -45
Yikes. I obviously haven't made some people happy :(:p
Positive: 681
Negative: 28
Total: 653
Since we are sharing...
Well, since everyone else is doing it...
Positive: 522
Negative: 38
Total: 484
With my acid tounge, I am quite surprised my neg is so low, after so many years....
John McClane
02-08-07, 12:55 PM
Positive: 243
Negative: 74
Total: 169
Most of that negative rep was from when I first joined the site. I was very immature then. :)
Has anyone heard from Caity? Aniko? Nebbit?
adidasss
02-08-07, 01:01 PM
Positive: 133
Negative: 81
Total: 52
Most of my neg rep came a few weeks ago...I was very immature back then...:D
blibblobblib
02-08-07, 01:24 PM
Has anyone heard from Caity? Aniko? Nebbit?
NO :( I miss those guys. I havnt heard from Anny in a long time. And Brian. OLD SCHOOL MOFO
I've heard from Caity and Nebbs...Nebbs more than Caity. Nebbs just doesn't have internet access at her house right now.
Tell Cait I said Hi, and to stop back in sometime...we miss her...
I don't think there's a single person here that doesn't miss Caity, Brian and Annie. They all do stop in from time to time, though.
Remember, kids: old MoFos don't die. They just don't post as much.
Sexy Celebrity
02-08-07, 03:24 PM
Positive: 256
Negative: 24
Total: 232
I miss all of those people, as well as Nikki (anyone remember her?) and BULLET BOY! I miss his posts most of all.
Caitlyn
03-31-07, 02:56 PM
Is the rep still down? Unless I'm badly mistaken, I received rep yesterday but I still can't rep anyone....
Is the rep still down? Unless I'm badly mistaken, I received rep yesterday but I still can't rep anyone....
I can't rep either Caity....there's just a blank space were the rep thumbs are suppose to be.
Is anyone else missing their rep thumbs?
By the way...it's good to see you here and posting again Caity. :kiss:
I thought I'd figured this out with a bit of testing help from Annie, but apparently not. :( Let me try a few things and get back to you guys.
Everything is fine for me.
I'm not having any problems :nope:
Caitlyn
04-02-07, 02:51 PM
I can't rep either Caity....there's just a blank space were the rep thumbs are suppose to be.
Same here.... 'my thumbs' were there one day last week but then disappeared again....
By the way...it's good to see you here and posting again Caity. :kiss:
Thanks... it's nice to have time to hang out again. I really missed you guys.... :yup:
I thought I'd figured this out with a bit of testing help from Annie, but apparently not. :( Let me try a few things and get back to you guys.
Thank you.... I didn't think anything about it at first because I thought you were still working on it.... but then someone repped me and I decided I needed to mention it....
WooblesWobble
04-02-07, 03:02 PM
I recieved a rep. I have no idea how I got it, but it is there. I guess I posted something that someone thought was quite entertaining.:)
Wow, Wobbles looks pissed! No coffee that day?
WooblesWobble
04-02-07, 03:23 PM
Wow, Wobbles looks pissed! No coffee that day?
:) Maybe no pot of coffee is more like it. That is one good thing at our school the upper school the faculty allow the students to drink coffee.
Mmmmm
I think I will go get a coffee! it's about that time...
(Like it ever ISN'T time)
WooblesWobble
04-02-07, 03:35 PM
Sounds Tasty
John McClane
04-02-07, 04:55 PM
Same here.... 'my thumbs' were there one day last week but then disappeared again.... Your thumbs disappeared?! :eek:
That's a serious problem that I don't think Yoda can fix. Perhaps a doctor could assist you? :p ;)
WooblesWobble
04-02-07, 05:39 PM
Can someone explain to me how to give out Reps?
Nevermind I got it. :)
Since everybody is doing it..
Positive: 13
Negative: 9
Total: 4
blibblobblib
04-03-07, 08:26 PM
Is everyone back? Caity? Anni? Aunt May?
Pyro Tramp
04-03-07, 08:33 PM
Positive: 251
Negative: 33
Total: 218
Most recent was - and + for the same post :s
Is everyone back? Caity? Anni? Aunt May?
Yes http://bestsmileys.com/blobs/2.gif now you are here too :yup: very nice :kiss:
blibblobblib
04-04-07, 06:54 AM
Yes http://bestsmileys.com/blobs/2.gif now you are here too :yup: very nice :kiss:
Thanks Nebbles, i have been on a wonderous journey of many delights but i thought i would pop my big fat face back into MOFO to say.... COOO WEEEEE!
Is everyone back? Caity? Anni? Aunt May?
You're such a sweetie Blibby. Thank you.~ :kiss:
Annnd...it's good to see you paused in between all of your wonderous delights and popped in here. It's good to see/hear you. :)
Now...if I only had my thumbs back.~ :D
Caitlyn
04-10-07, 03:29 PM
Now...if I only had my thumbs back.~ :D
:yup:
Caitlyn
04-11-07, 10:06 PM
Yea! I have thumbs again! Thank you 'O Wise One.... :D
Caitlyn
04-12-07, 11:14 AM
Yea! I have thumbs again! Thank you 'O Wise One.... :D
Hmmm..... well, I had thumbs.... but now, they're gone again.... :confused:
Yeah, there's a weird quirk in the system here. Let me see if I can explain it properly:
Whenever you view a forum page, a global script (which all forum-run pages need to run properly) logs the activity. This is how the Who's Online page knows what everyone's up to: it checks on that activity.
The rep system is a series of iFrames; the thumbs you see are not on the page you're viewing...they're little tiny pages embedded into that one. The problem with this is that the global script logs the page that displays the thumbs as the user's most recent activity when they view a thread, which means the thread they're viewing doesn't show up on the Who's Online page.
So, I had to find a way to exclude the thumbs-displaying page from this activity log. And I did. The problem was, by excluding it, I excluded the part of the script that also catalogs the user's cookie data...and without the cookie data, the rep system thinks you're not logged in, and therefore won't display the thumbs for you.
I've tried accessing the cookies directly, and I've tried using session variables, but as you can see, no one thing appears to work all the time. A little head-scratching, but I'm working on it.
What's all this boil down to? Well, I'll just keep having to send you cookie test files until I figure it out, I suppose. I hope that's okay. :)
Caitlyn
04-12-07, 02:58 PM
Ah.... thanks for the explanation. Most of the time this stuff is Greek to me but you should teach.... :)
I just tried logging off and then logging back in leaving the "remember me" option checked (which I normally don't do) and I now have thumbs.... ??
I just tried logging off and then logging back in leaving the "remember me" option checked (which I normally don't do) and I now have thumbs.... ??
Yeah, that sounds about right. The board has different ways of tracking a user's activity depending on whether or not they're saving a cookie on their hard drive, as I believe most users do. Whether or not you see the thumbs should depend on how you log in.
That said, I thought I'd accounted for all the ways in which a user can be logged in, but apparently there's a hole in there. I'll try something else and, with your permission, send you another test file to see if I can't figure it out. If it's any consolation, what you just said makes a great deal of sense, so I'm hopeful that we're nearing a comprehensive solution.
I just tried logging off and then logging back in leaving the "remember me" option checked (which I normally don't do) and I now have thumbs.... ??
I normally don't have that 'remember me' check checked either. I tried your and logging out and in again with that box checked...and now I have thumbs! Thanks! :up:
And thanks Yoda for figuring all this out and for all of your head scratching. I really appreciate it. :)
Pyro Tramp
05-07-07, 08:39 PM
Just couple quick qus; how long do the 'New Comment/Reputation' last for because once i go on them, they stay for a while, secondly does leaving a comment amount to leaving rep because i tried to leave on and it said 'spread rep around'?
Just couple quick qus; how long do the 'New Comment/Reputation' last for because once i go on them, they stay for a while
They both disappear after you finish your "visit." This basically entails not loading any pages for awhie (at which time the site assumes you're not browsing anymore). One way to ensure that the slate is wiped clean (and that all posts and forums are marked as read) is to click the "Mark Forums Read" link, found on the forum home page and under the Quick Links menu.
secondly does leaving a comment amount to leaving rep because i tried to leave on and it said 'spread rep around'?
That's a bug; there shouldn't be any such limit on comments or rep under the new system. I'll try to have that fixed quickly.
Okay, try it again and let me know if you get the same error.
Pyro Tramp
05-07-07, 09:54 PM
Seems to be working fine Mr Yoda.
Holden Pike
05-25-07, 02:21 PM
My current positive rep sits at 911. I'd like to observe a moment of quiet solemnity to mark that horrible day.
Now then, let's start plans for bombing somebody who had nothing to do with it! Doctor me up some "intelligence". Yeeeeeeee-Hawwwwww!!! Bring 'em on!
so what is your neg rep count? :bored:
Oh congrats on the high rep count :yup:
so what is your neg rep count? :bored:
What are you pos/neg stats there nebbs? And if you have anymore than a couple negative reps, then a great evil :devil: has without a doubt taken place here.
Mine is 485/23, but I have to admit that the 23 have mostly come from supporting Bush or from Django rants......oh well. I did get one neg for not liking Taxi Driver also. I cannot say that I am a big mainstream guy, but I do say what I think good or bad, and if you do not like it I agree with you.:)
What are you pos/neg stats there nebbs? And if you have anymore than a couple negative reps, then a great evil :devil: has without a doubt taken place here.
Aww thanks :blush:
7thboy! You! mainstream! :nope:
Pyro Tramp
06-09-07, 03:46 PM
If the rep system is changing, can you bring back User Ratings relating to rep, please :D
If the rep system is changing, can you bring back User Ratings relating to rep, please :D
You mean the lightsabers/green dots?
Pyro Tramp
06-09-07, 04:18 PM
Yeh, that or even just a user title. Gave me at least more incentive to do try and contribute more post wise and give more rep.
Yeh, that or even just a user title. Gave me at least more incentive to do try and contribute more post wise and give more rep.
I'm up for that as well. It did tend to give you more incentive to put more effort into your posts.
In terms of the anonymous poster debate, i'm in agreement with what OG's posted in Sammy's Phlem thread.
People pay attention to rep? I didn't even know there was a Highest Rated Users list until this thread.
It doesn't matter to me if there is a plus or a minus sign if there is no name to go along with it. Tie the two back together. If people actually care about the nominal value of a virtual point - negative or positive - make it so that a comment of a minimum character length must be left, otherwise it is only worth a tiny fraction of the 'value'.
With comment, a full +/- 1. Without comment, +/- 1/5th. Whatever the values, leave words. Numbers without contextual representation are ultimately valueless.
So, I was on another site recently that uses the same V-Bulletin set-up. They are still using the dots for rep. So, I mentioned that we had the same system etc., but that we had changed the rep to a point system. Since I have MoFo linked in my sig over there, the dude stopped over and had the following to say...
"You mentioned you use a point system for rep, but, I don;t see anything having to do with rep for each user. Like, how do you know what each person's rep is?"
To which I responded.
"Oh, it's annonymous and invisible."
"Um, why bother? It seems to serve no purpose to the community, it doesn't help people know if someone is a valued member or not..."
"Um, hmmm, wait a minute... you have a point there..."
I hadn't really thought of it that way, but, the dude seems to have a point...
Austruck
07-24-07, 10:31 AM
I hadn't thought of that either. I can see my own rep points (positive and negative) but no one else can. So what IS the point then?
Fair question. But I think whatever point he has is largely lost because of the existence of the Post Ratings (http://www.movieforums.com/community/ratings.php) page, which tracks the rep in a more public way. He probably got the wrong idea when he was told it was "completely anonymous and invisible."
That said, the old dots didn't always tell us who was a valued member of the community, either. All it meant was that the person had been around awhile and hadn't made anyone mad, but posters who were simply polite were just as likely to have lots of dots as people who were very insightful; moreso, actually, because they never rocked the boat.
Anyway, I don't want to defend the current system too much, because I still want to change its fundamental logic in the coming weeks, but I don't think either -- new or old -- is particularly adept at highlighting valued members. The old one was a mechanism for happy birthdays and pleasantries, and the new one has, for some, become a way to vent disagreement without expressing it.
Hopefully we'll find a third way soon.
Sure. I understand the rating page is there, but, most people don;t know it exists, and I guess he was just saying that it wasn't easy to determine who was a valued member and who wasn't for a new person just exploring the site. I see your point about not rocking the boat, and how the old system was flawed in the ways you mention.
Thanks for explaining!
For God sake please when rep someone why don't you leave a comment why you did it,if it's a positive rep it's ok if you don't leave a comment but when you neg rep me please tell me why.Some of you do it which I appreciate it and God what is wrong with that I like True Romance it's a hell of a good movie and because of that i get -1 why?!?!?Plus it's freakin' stupid to neg rep someone in the Movie tab Thread
For God sake please when rep someone why don't you leave a comment why you did it,if it's a positive rep it's ok if you don't leave a comment but when you neg rep me please tell me why.Some of you do it which I appreciate it and God what is wrong with that I like True Romance it's a hell of a good movie and because of that i get -1 why?!?!?Plus it's freakin' stupid to neg rep someone in the Movie tab Thread
Join the club :yup:
For God sake please when rep someone why don't you leave a comment why you did it,if it's a positive rep it's ok if you don't leave a comment but when you neg rep me please tell me why.Some of you do it which I appreciate it and God what is wrong with that I like True Romance it's a hell of a good movie and because of that i get -1 why?!?!?Plus it's freakin' stupid to neg rep someone in the Movie tab Thread
and because I said that^^ I get another -1 again without explanation
Sorry to hear that :( that is lousy :yup:
Oh goody :nope: I just neg rep for the post above me :rolleyes:
SamsoniteDelilah
07-29-07, 01:42 PM
Agreed on all points. Hang in there, Yoda's promised to change it soon.
Agreed on all points. Hang in there, Yoda's promised to change it soon.
Why not make the comment a necessity when you rep someone?
Why not make the comment a necessity when you rep someone?
We've discussed that as one of many possible options for reforming the system. One of the major reasons not to, however, is that it would obviously result in a lot less rep going around, and the less rep is given/taken, the less useful the system really is for ranking posts.
Anyway, as Sam says, changes are coming.
I want to know who gives me the negative reps when I get them
We've discussed that as one of many possible options for reforming the system. One of the major reasons not to, however, is that it would obviously result in a lot less rep going around, and the less rep is given/taken, the less useful the system really is for ranking posts.
I am not worried about who gives it to me, but why! :yup: so maybe they could still be anon, but they have to leave a comment :yup: which would be a help :yup:
Thursday Next
07-29-07, 07:10 PM
I am not worried about who gives it to me, but why! :yup: so maybe they could still be anon, but they have to leave a comment :yup: which would be a help :yup:
I think this is a good idea, nebb. I think people are afraid of leaving comments even when they rep for legit reasons because some people get really mad when they are given neg rep and start an argument or give loads of undeserved retaliatory neg rep.
Opps just neg rep again :rolleyes:
One other thing to consider is that we can't really force people to leave comments; the script can make sure that there's something in the comment box, and that it's something other than just whitespace, but it can't do anything about people posting gibberish, or some other filler text. So, if someone wants to leave rep without a reason, they'll always be able to, unless we screen and approve all rep.
Oh, I didn't know, I am over it now :yup:
In case anyone's wondering, I split the posts about reputation splits off into their own thread:
Post your reputation splits (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=14129)
Ðèstîñy
10-16-07, 04:13 PM
Has anyone ever clicked on a thumbs up, or down, and thought, "Gee, I hope I hit the right one?" Well, I have!
What are the chances of the thumbs up saying, "Thanks!", and the thumbs down saying, "Bummers!" ?
Yeah, It's just a thought.
I can't remember what it says, I have accidently clicked on it ages ago :yup:
Ðèstîñy
10-16-07, 07:24 PM
I can't remember what it says, I have accidently clicked on it ages ago :yup:
I was assuming that they both said thanks! Hold on a sec, and I'll neg rep you to see. ;)
I was assuming that they both said thanks! Hold on a sec, and I'll neg rep you to see. ;)
So what did it say? :D
Ðèstîñy
10-16-07, 07:58 PM
So what did it say? :D
haha You know I can't do that, woman! So far, for the most part, when something has pissed me off on here, I just send hate-mail. :p
Seriously!
*edit*
I just neg repped my other account, that I made when this one messed up. It says "Thanks" as well.
Well, I really wanted to know.
Oh, and yes, I have neg repped people before, but it has been so long ago, I data-dumped.
I actually think I have received 3 or 4 neg reps because of mis clicks, the repper(s) told me so, and maybe one or two pos' when I was supposed to get a neg...maybe an are you sure prompt or a wider space between the thumbs? Either way I think it would be cool to see a different message for a thumbs down......maybe a raspberry sound too?
The system must not work properly because I still have no negs. :eek:
James_Sparrow
10-16-07, 11:21 PM
I got a neg one because i posted in a thread saying there was already a thread on the same subject no more than 5 topics down. :(
TheUsualSuspect
10-16-07, 11:53 PM
It still doesn't say that I get new rep, I always have to check...
It still doesn't say that I get new rep, I always have to check...
It will only say it on the main page, I believe, and not if you've visited, lookd around for awhile, and then stopped. After that, it considers you as having "visited," and the reputation as "read." It's the same as the old system in that respect.
Pyro Tramp
10-29-07, 02:41 PM
I know the post ratings page shows the top 10 highest rated users but is there a way to order all the members in reputation order like there was before?
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