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Tacitus
11-25-05, 03:19 PM
I'm going to ignore the slightly crass thread on the subject, I hope you'll understand. :)

A hero of mine died today.

I saw Georgie Best play just twice, both times were in the 80s. Once was at a packed Windsor Park with a host of World stars and once was in front of the proverbial 3 men and a dog at an Irish Cup match for tiny Tobermore United. He was 20 years past his peak and overweight but nobody could get the ball from him. We marvelled.

Me and my dad.

Best came from a working class Belfast family and was thrust into the limelight with Manchester United while still a teenager. Their Irish scout remarked to manager Matt Busby, “I think we’ve got a genius here”, and they had.

A host of websites have detailed his playing career with more detail than I could ever hope and a host more have catalogued his fall from grace. 130+ goals in 10 years from the wing for United says a lot. Two League titles, a European Cup, English and European Footballer Of The Year awards say plenty more.

Aside, of course, from being the most talented player this continent has produced George also had a disease. He was an alcoholic who battled in vain for over 30 years.

When I look back through old photo albums I see a lot of Georgie in my father, and a lot of my dad in George. In their youth they were blessed with dark-haired, blue-eyed good looks. They were from the same part of Belfast. They both had an eye for the ladies, and the ladies for them. They were both alcoholics.

Where they differ is that my dad has kept himself reasonably clean for 20 years, though it wrecked two marriages, his job and the respect of his son for a long time. George could never vanquish his demons and that saddens me greatly but I hope to God that the man will be given the dignity of being remembered as one of the greatest footballers ever to have kicked a ball and the most loved sportsman to have come from Ireland in my lifetime.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/3DEE189D-CED3-4109-A142-5166DFE72833/45008/GeorgeBest158x158.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38565000/jpg/_38565873_best150_220.jpg

I'll leave it to the man himself:

If I'd been born ugly, nobody would have heard of Pele.

Bye George.

Ophelia
11-25-05, 05:34 PM
A hero of mine died today.


I imagine he was a hero for many, especially in Northern Ireland.

It's very sad, but I am glad he did finally pass away. Maybe that sounds terrible, but I like to think that he finally felt like the time to let go came. He found some peace within himself.

It was nice to read about you and your dad at the football and I am glad to hear he is doing ok.

Alcoholism is by no means an easy disease to live with, be it yourself suffering or your family/friends.

Ho-hum :indifferent:

SamsoniteDelilah
11-25-05, 05:59 PM
What a lovely tribute.

nebbit
11-25-05, 06:20 PM
I can't beleive he is dead, thanks for the tribute Tatty, R.I.P. George :(

Piddzilla
11-25-05, 07:45 PM
Great thread, Dave... I don't know if you've heard about Lennart "Nacka" Skoglund, but he and Best seem to have had a few things in common. Nacka too was working class with a great talent. He spent nine seasons in Inter Milan and a couple more in Sampdoria and Palermo. He played his last season in the highest swedish league as a 38-year old. Still he died flat broke, a lonely alcoholic, only 45 years old in 1975.

It can't be easy to go from nothing, to everything, and then back to nothing again when your career is over.

I bet Geroge and Nacka are having lots of fun up there right now.....

R.I.P. George.....

Tacitus
11-25-05, 08:07 PM
Great thread, Dave... I don't know if you've heard about Lennart "Nacka" Skoglund, but he and Best seem to have had a few things in common.

I hadn't heard of him, but in many ways his story seems even sadder than Bests, if only for the fact George died surrounded by those who loved him. :(

Here's the finest tribute to the man that I could find. Link (http://www.football365.com/features/f365_features/story_169510.shtml)

Piddzilla
11-25-05, 08:56 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but in many ways his story seems even sadder than Bests, if only for the fact George died surrounded by those who loved him. :(

Here's the finest tribute to the man that I could find. Link (http://www.football365.com/features/f365_features/story_169510.shtml)

Thanks for the link. Especially this part caught my eye:

"But what must it have been like to know that you were the brightest of all shooting stars and to know that all the world would love you just as long as you were? What must it have been like to burn so brightly for little more than 10 years and then have to live the rest of your life knowing it would never really be as good again? What pressures that would bring to bear on your soul is something we can't understand."

That's what I think that a lot of football heroes, and especially those who come from sparse conditions, go through.

About Nacka. I've read stories about how in the end of his career, the team got on the bus on game day, and then they actually drove to pick Nacka up. He was that kind of a celebrity - he didn't even need to go down to the meeting place. Thing is, some days Nacka didn't come out to the bus because he was "tired". So the team went on without him. That's actually really sad....

Tacitus
11-25-05, 09:44 PM
Thanks for the link.

I love that website & check it out every morning (after MoFo, natch ;))

That's what I think that a lot of football heroes, and especially those who come from sparse conditions, go through.

I guess that's why a lot (and other sportspeople too) carry on well after their body's told them to quit.

About Nacka. I've read stories about how in the end of his career, the team got on the bus on game day, and then they actually drove to pick Nacka up. He was that kind of a celebrity - he didn't even need to go down to the meeting place. Thing is, some days Nacka didn't come out to the bus because he was "tired". So the team went on without him. That's actually really sad....

It's sad what the drink can do. In Best's last days with Man Utd the manager ordered him to go and live with one of the senior pros, a 'family man' who was supposed to keep him on the straight and narrow. Suffice to say it didn't work.

A lot of the naysayers bring up the fact that his top flight career was over at the age of 28 but they neglect to mention that he had 11 years of playing at the highest level, something most of todays pros would give their left leg for...

So to speak. :)

Revenge of Mr M
11-26-05, 12:22 PM
RIP Bestie. When I was a lad, relatives of mine, all Manchester United fans born and bred used to regail me with stories of all his finest moments. Seeing clips of him, I've always thought his style of play was timesless, and he would cope with today's game just as well as he used to, maybe even better.

The closest I got to him was when we shook hands at the end of the game.
Northampton player Roy Fairfax, who had been marking Best when he scored six goals in an 8-2 FA Cup win for Man Utd in 1970.

Darth Stujitzu
11-27-05, 08:26 PM
Away on my mates' stag do this weekend, and as a best man I had a lot on my plate. I will remember this weekend for the rest of my life, although I had a great weekend with one of my oldest friends, I was gutted to hear about George's death. I'm a huge football fan, and Man United are my english team, football has lost a true genius and legend the likes of which we might not see again, and although George had many personal demons and to some wasted his talents, he will always be one of my favourite players of all times.
RIP George, and thanks for the memories.