View Full Version : The Age Old Question
Lance McCool
11-13-05, 10:19 PM
Okay, so a few MOFO's have been complaining about the lack of quality discussions lately over HERE (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=11298). And while there have been a few worthwhile threads sprouding up like THIS ONE (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=11304) & THIS ONE (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=11305), I still felt like I needed to make a contribution to rectify the situation. So here it is folks, the only surefire way to spark up some heated debate...
What Came First: The Chicken Or The Egg?
James_Sparrow
11-13-05, 10:37 PM
pssh the chicken of course, It had to lay the egg. Thought some will be like well that chicken had to come from somewhere but if it so happened god made all the animals and people. Why would he first make an egg and see what comes first. So thats why I say the Chicken.
SamsoniteDelilah
11-13-05, 11:16 PM
I think it had to be the egg.
Given that chickens all come from eggs, even though eggs come from chickens, it seems more likely an egg could develop from a few cells than a whole bird.
Egg.
Definately.
http://www.roadsideattractions.ca/egg.jpg
it was the egg....no chicken without the egg...
Tacitus
11-14-05, 04:07 AM
What Came First: The Chicken Or The Egg?
The one seen having a ciggie in bed with a smile on their face?
The one seen having a ciggie in bed with a smile on their face?
http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/2.gif
Well seeing as it's an age-old question it is very difficult to answer with any kind of conclusive evidence yet the chicken came first in my books because it evolved from a kind of tiny monkey I think....yeah that was it.
Tea Barking
11-14-05, 01:16 PM
Surely they evolved from dinosours?
Well thats that solved, next.
Blister
11-14-05, 02:48 PM
I say that it was just a natural evolution from another bird like species. It's not like the world was created and then an egg/chicken appeared right away (right?). Another bird species laid an egg, and out came an evolved version of that type of bird aka 'the chicken'.....
Equilibrium
11-14-05, 03:16 PM
Its the chicken obviously. I don't know if any of you are that religious, as alot of atheist tend to like hanging around all types of forums, but, if you believe in the creation story of god..whether you are muslim jewish or christian its all the same..Adam and Eve. Adam was not an Egg ...he was the chicken, figuratively. So if you take that into consideration, then yes the chicken did come first.
So I'm sticking to that story. Chicken.
BTW, Lance appreciate the effort of you rectifying the situation. I just had to bring it up.
SamsoniteDelilah
11-14-05, 03:22 PM
Its the chicken obviously. I don't know if any of you are that religious, as alot of atheist tend to like hanging around all types of forums, but, if you believe in the creation story of god..whether you are muslim jewish or christian its all the same..Adam and Eve. Adam was not an Egg ...he was the chicken, figuratively. So if you take that into consideration, then yes the chicken did come first.
So I'm sticking to that story. Chicken.
BTW, Lance appreciate the effort of you rectifying the situation. I just had to bring it up.
How do you know God didn't start with an egg that turned into an Adam. Or chicken.
Anonymous Last
11-14-05, 04:21 PM
How do you know God didn't start with an egg that turned into an Adam. Or chicken.
I have a strong feeling that understanding God's infinite blueprints on such matters will ruin my breakfast.
http://www.steptoesantiques.co.uk/acatalog/cock_egg_cup.13115.jpg
;)
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Erm, to be all dull and science-y, i'd say eggs came about first (emerging as soft-shelled varieties and evolving into the more-effective hard-shelled varieties we now know). Birds came along later. Then roads got invented and chickens started crossing them.
Expect roads crossed with chickens that lay egg sandwiches sometime soon ;).
But hey, if anyone wants to debate more recent incarnations of the 'Creationism/Evolution' debate, like the Intelligent Design farango, then i'm there :).
Chicken.
How do you know God didn't start with an egg that turned into an Adam. Or chicken.
Mmm, tastes like anthropos.
Chicken.
Hey, you have to give us a reason as well as an answer. And then you have to tell us which came first ;).
Mmm, tastes like anthropos.
:D
Expect roads crossed with chickens that lay egg sandwiches sometime soon ;).
Now, you've done it Golgot.
I'm starving and wondering which one is would be tastier at the moment. :p
As far as the thread...I'll vote for the evolution s'plaination. Chicken first.
Now, you've done it Golgot.
I'm starving and wondering which one is would be tastier at the moment. :p
As far as the thread...I'll vote for the evolution s'plaination. Chicken first.
Noooooo Ani. Evolutionists believe in eggs ;)
Which one tastes better though? That, no one can answer :).
Equilibrium
11-14-05, 07:42 PM
How do you know God didn't start with an egg that turned into an Adam. Or chicken.
I don't remember reading in the bible, the koran, or the torah that god molded from mud an egg and named it adam. I do remember reading from all three sources however that he created a MAN and WOMAN and breathed into them life.(Don't know what your definition of man is, but for me a man is not an egg and a woman is not an...eggette)
SamsoniteDelilah
11-14-05, 08:32 PM
I don't remember reading in the bible, the koran, or the torah that god molded from mud an egg and named it adam. I do remember reading from all three sources however that he created a MAN and WOMAN and breathed into them life.(Don't know what your definition of man is, but for me a man is not an egg and a woman is not an...eggette)
Your version seems to have more explicit directions than any I've read. I don't recall mention of "mud", for instance. Here is the King James version of the description of God making animals and people, and I notice that it doesn't say HOW, just that he did.
Genesis
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
I don't see anything there to rule out the possibility that He grew man from an ovum. In fact, comparing it to the language about animals procreating, it seems entirely possible that that is what was meant by "make", since it's the same word used to describe animals creating progeny.
Also, there's the possibility that to take the Bible as a history book would be silly, since it's main thrust is obviously about spirituality and sociology, not science and history. But even taking it as strict truth, the language is vague enough to go either way.
Equilibrium
11-14-05, 08:39 PM
Your version seems to have more explicit directions than any I've read. I don't recall mention of "mud", for instance. Here is the King James version of the description of God making animals and people, and I notice that it doesn't say HOW, just that he did.
Genesis
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
I don't see anything there to rule out the possibility that He grew man from an ovum. In fact, comparing it to the language about animals procreating, it seems entirely possible that that is what was meant by "make", since it's the same word used to describe animals creating progeny.
Also, there's the possibility that to take the Bible as a history book would be silly, since it's main thrust is obviously about spirituality and sociology, not science and history. But even taking it as strict truth, the language is vague enough to go either way.
The reference to mud was from later parts of Genises. And in the Koran, in the story it is explicitly stated that god created a man and a woman. MAN and WOMAN. Adam and Eve.
All that aside why would god name an egg Adam and an eggette Eve?
seems pretty ridiculous to me...(so help me god if anyone responds to this with 'all religion is ridiculous' lol)
seems pretty ridiculous to me...(so help me god if anyone responds to this with 'all religion is ridiculous' lol)
Nah, that'd be silly ;).
I did like this quote i heard recently tho...
"The bible says that God is a rock. That does not mean that God is made of granite."
--Henry Brinton, Presbyterian minister and biologist. [C4 News – 9/11/05]
:)
[He was criticising the Creationist thinking behind a new 'museum' which features animatronic dinosaurs sitting alongside Adam and Eve :rolleyes:]
SamsoniteDelilah
11-14-05, 08:53 PM
The reference to mud was from later parts of Genises. And in the Koran, in the story it is explicitly stated that god created a man and a woman. MAN and WOMAN. Adam and Eve.
All that aside why would god name an egg Adam and an eggette Eve?
seems pretty ridiculous to me...(so help me god if anyone responds to this with 'all religion is ridiculous' lol)
Could you please show me the reference to mud?
Also, I don't seem to be making this clear.... It says God made them. It doesn't say what steps he took to do so. If you can show me where it says explicitly that he created them fully formed and grown, I'd love to see it.
Equilibrium
11-15-05, 01:08 AM
Could you please show me the reference to mud?
Also, I don't seem to be making this clear.... It says God made them. It doesn't say what steps he took to do so. If you can show me where it says explicitly that he created them fully formed and grown, I'd love to see it.
Tell you what. I'll back down and say that I can't show you where it says that (though i did interpret certain things that way). But in return, you show me where it says god made an egg and eggette and raised them until they were full grown into Adam and Eve. You'll find that you can't either, and we are right back where we started.
Anonymous Last
11-15-05, 01:26 AM
I thought God made Lilith before Eve... and her egg was cursed.
show me where it says god made an egg and eggette and raised them until they were full grown into Adam and Eve. You'll find that you can't either, and we are right back where we started.
:yup: :D
Piddzilla
11-15-05, 07:17 AM
I think the cock came first.
http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif
Anonymous Last
11-15-05, 10:11 AM
I think the cock came first.Prematurely?
Caitlyn
11-15-05, 12:47 PM
Ahem… :p... in answer to the original question…. The egg… 'cause from what I understand, that's the only place DNA mutations could have taken place…
SamsoniteDelilah
11-15-05, 01:54 PM
Tell you what. I'll back down and say that I can't show you where it says that (though i did interpret certain things that way). But in return, you show me where it says god made an egg and eggette and raised them until they were full grown into Adam and Eve. You'll find that you can't either, and we are right back where we started.
Ah, but you see... I didn't claim it said that.
Equilibrium
11-15-05, 03:03 PM
Ah, but you see... I didn't claim it said that.
Why else would you be arguing with me then?
SamsoniteDelilah
11-15-05, 04:19 PM
Why else would you be arguing with me then?
Because I floated the possibility of something and you dismissed it out of hand.
Also because I like you, so it's fun to find out what you think about something, even if we disagree. :)
Ash_Lee
11-15-05, 04:41 PM
I say a T-Rex went into Labour one day and gave birth to a chicken egg.
I believe she's now running for party leadership, b'dum'tsh!
*crowd groans*
Equilibrium
11-15-05, 05:26 PM
Could you please show me the reference to mud?
Also, I don't seem to be making this clear.... It says God made them. It doesn't say what steps he took to do so. If you can show me where it says explicitly that he created them fully formed and grown, I'd love to see it.
Yeh I suppose. Hehe. And you know me from more than just this forum...so you've got a pretty good insight as to who I am. :D
I like you too....so back to while ago when I wasking if you'd marry me and you said I was too young....am i old enough yet?
SamsoniteDelilah
11-15-05, 06:11 PM
Yeh I suppose. Hehe. And you know me from more than just this forum...so you've got a pretty good insight as to who I am. :D
I like you too....so back to while ago when I wasking if you'd marry me and you said I was too young....am i old enough yet?
ha! Sure, you're old enough now, but I'm all set in my ways at this point. I'm a lone wolf, baby. Can't be tamed.
Equilibrium
11-15-05, 06:15 PM
ha! Sure, you're old enough now, but I'm all set in my ways at this point. I'm a lone wolf, baby. Can't be tamed.
Oh. Wild lone wolf eh?
Right up my alley.
Tea Barking
11-15-05, 06:56 PM
Did god come from an egg :confused:
Ahem… :p... in answer to the original question…. The egg… 'cause from what I understand, that's the only place DNA mutations could have taken place…
Yes you are the winner (at least in my book :) ). If indeed chickens evolved from something else. Now if one day chickens or chicken eggs just appeared then it would be hard to say which was first. One day an egg that was conceived by the mating of two things that were not chickens burst open and out came a little chick that was so cute evolution decided to slow down, at least for now.
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