All about love

[Pyro Tramp]

The way i see it is, love can be make you happier than ever or cause you the worst pain. I've just come out a relationship which as been very on/off but there's always been love. Now she's moved on and it's really cutting me up. Is it worth fighting to keep the love that once was or hating her to destroy my love for her and save me the pain.

This has come out stupidly soppy, i mean we've both pulled others since we seperated but she's starting something new with this guy after claimed that this specific relationship would never start and it's hit me hard.

People say it's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved, but loosing love leaves you with painful memories. Are they worth it?

I don't understand how love can flourish than completely die- surely you never stop loving someone, even after you break up with them. As soon as your partner starts over with someone new, it's feels like all the love you shared was irrelevant and meaningless.


I'm not sure if being friends after the split is helping, if i'd just gone cold turkey afterwards then maybe the situation would be different.

Any advice?



Btw, anyone who gives me any **** for posting girly stuff like this is getting bitch slapped. Dig?

[Aniko]

This has come out stupidly soppy, i mean we've both pulled others since we seperated but she's starting something new with this guy after claimed that this specific relationship would never start and it's hit me hard.

I'm curious...Why was your relationship on and off and for how many years?

Also... what do you mean by you both 'pulled others'. Are you saying you've both dated other people while separated...or you both slept with other people while separated? And if you loved her...why were you pulling other girls? I'm not picking on you...just trying to understand your relationship.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Btw, anyone who gives me any **** for posting girly stuff like this is getting bitch slapped. Dig?

Ha ha ha. Pyro Tramp posted a girly post! Girly post! Girly post!

Here's some dolls for the girly post...
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GIRLY POST!
Ha ha, hee hee, ho ho... I'll do anything for a bitch slap!
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[Pyro Tramp]

I'm curious...Why was your relationship on and off and for how many years?

Also... what do you mean by you both 'pulled others'. Are you saying you've both dated other people while separated...or you both slept with other people while separated? And if you loved her...why were you pulling other girls? I'm not picking on you...just trying to understand your relationship.


It was on and off because she was always thought 'off' was for the best when it wasn't so we always got back together. This was before we started going out, so about 2 months of that every other week, then we went out for a year until we decided to take a break but we kept sleeping together for a few months. Then she started doing the whole on and off things which brings me up to now.

By pull, i mean kissed other people at like parties, i.e. nothing serious, just drunken messing around.

Hope that clears things up.

I'm only 18 and this was my only proper relationship btw, so although it may not seem like a big deal to some, it's a new thing for me.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

OH my god, Sexy that just made me laugh so hard!! :rotfl:


Pyro~ Here's my take, from having gone through it more than I'd have liked:
You love someone for qualities they have that you value, and for how they make you feel. Then you (usually) break up at some point, and it's painful, because you miss how they made you feel and they are the only person who could do that. That's always true, unfortunately: every person you're with is going to have a unique effect on you. AND you wonder if you'll find anyone with those traits they had that you loved.

At some point in the wondering and the missing, you get pissed off at them for ruining things (even, to be honest here, if it was you who ruined it, or a mix of both of you... you get pissed at them). That's a phase. It's a healthy phase, because as you say, it makes it possible to move on. Roll with it. Be pissed off. Just don't build a house for yourself in the pissed off phase.

Then after awhile, you accept that it didn't work, you see what you did that you'd do differently (which is empowering), you see what they did that screwed things up and maybe think of a way to get around it if it happens again, and you move on.

And at that point, you become aware that those traits that person had that you loved them for in the first place are still there, will always be part of your experience of them, and that they contributed to your life in a really cool way. You learned stuff, you have great memories... and you can still picture them naked at will. :drevil:

[Pyro Tramp]

Lol, thanks for your pearls of wisdom.

[adidasss]

Ha ha ha. Pyro Tramp posted a girly post! Girly post! Girly post!

Here's some dolls for the girly post...
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GIRLY POST!
Ha ha, hee hee, ho ho... I'll do anything for a bitch slap!
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:) this post needs to be repeated....

[Pyro Tramp]

Must Sexy's punishment also be repeated?

Glad you're enjoying my sorrow so much...

[adidasss]

sorry.....but it's funny no?

[Pyro Tramp]

Yeah, i'll admit i chortled. Was kinda asking for it.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Girly post! Ha ha *snort*

[Pyro Tramp]

......steady

[Tea Barking]

This thread needs a kitten :p

http://www.tombraider4u.com/kitten-pictures/thumb_kitten4kitty_.jpg

I don't really have any answers, for now your just going to feel like crap, but give it time and you will be able to move on.

[criss]

This thread needs a kitten :p

http://www.tombraider4u.com/kitten-pictures/thumb_kitten4kitty_.jpg

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Yes! That´s so lovely!!!!

To Pyro Tramp, I cant really help you because i think im not good at giving this kind of advices, but id tell you think and take your time and then to do what your heart says
Wish you the best

[Godsend]

Love=no exist

Figment of your imagination, like money!

It's there, but NOT REALLY there

[adidasss]

your avatar has a cool effect on my lcd screen, when it's on the top or the bottom it's black, and in the middle you can just barely see the picture....

[Eyes]

As certainly everyone on this forum knows, I've had my own experinces with love and rejection. Speaking from experience, I'd definately say it's worth it. Even if the entire relationship blows up in your face you can still learn from the experience. Despite everything I've endured, I wouldn't give up a second of it for anything else. Like a stone in a stream, everything that comes your way changes you, gives you character, and identity. And I wouldn't trade who I am for anything. Would you?

I'm making no guaruntees that it will be quick or easy. It could take up to a year, but in time you will be over it. You'll at least feel better quite soon. And yes, you will most certainly always love her, true love never dies. But do not give up hope. It it just as possible that you will find yourself with her again. "If you immediately know the candle-light is fire, then the meal was cooked long ago." -Oma Desala

One thing you will never be able to do however, is understand love. For every certainty of love, there are 100 uncertainties. But I promise you, things will get better. Just stay strong in the days to come.

Check the song dedication thread while you're at it.

[m0dern_pr0phet]

hahahaha Sexy_Celebrity wins thread!
GOLD!!!!

[nebbit]

Sorry to hear about your heart ache Pyro :( Sammi has given you some good advice :yup: this is your first love, you will get better your heart will mend, just don't be afraid to fall in love again :love: she may be the one. :yup:

[Tacitus]

As a lot of folks here know, I split up with my wife last year. We were married for 10 years and together for 12.

I was a wreck - and the whole thing started to get to me not long after I joined MoFo: I sold the house and tried to distance myself from every memory of her, happy or otherwise.

Looking at it with a clear(er) head thesedays I can appreciate the good times, the bad times still sting though but the guilt/blame/anger is slowly receeding.

I still compare other women to her, can't help it, we were together for most of my adult life. The comparisons are more even-handed now though.

Oh Lord, I'm babbling again. Nurse!!

What I'm trying to say is that the scars heal - but the best scars can be shown off with pride. :)

[nebbit]

Oh Lord, I'm babbling again. Nurse!!

I am here sweetie http://bestsmileys.com/medical/6.gif

[Tacitus]

Hooray! My usual please - and make it a double... :D

[Pyro Tramp]

Ahh, that's a shame Tatty, my thing seems really small compared to yours. Glad you're still with us. Can't imagine you having any trouble with the ladies.

I think what makes it so hard for me is we never really broke up, so there was never a stage to look at what went wrong or get angry and get over her.

Love's a bitch.

[Darth Stujitzu]

Pyro, you have much to learn.
You will never understand women, no man ever truly will, they are a rare breed, but hell you can have a lot of fun!!!!
The only advice I would give you is don't stay friends, it rarely works out well as there is always someone unhappy at the situation, and it can hurt even more when one of you moves on to another relationship. I always make a clean break, no phone calls, no meeting for coffee etc, just move on, it's the way I roll.
Don't worry, the pain will pass, copious amounts of alcohol and chatting up new chicks always helps, so go forth and party hard like an 18 year old for all us older folk that would still like to be in your shoes. :yup:
Call me shallow, but you made a big girly post!!! :laugh:

[Yoda]

Let me put it this way: I'm 21, and while I may disagree, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for someone to say that I don't know crap about what love really is yet. And you're three years younger than me.

In other words, I think it's safe to say you ain't seen nothin' yet. The on-again, off-again nature of the relationship indicates that this probably wasn't a real, genuine, loving relationship, but just one of the first ones, which are hard to let go of regardless of how much of a force-fit they may be.

That's my guess, based on what information we've been given.

[Pyro Tramp]

I think it's safe to say you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Probably.

We were still together for a year, the on/off parts bookended our actual relationship.

[Eyes]

Ahh, that's a shame Tatty, my thing seems really small compared to yours.

I apologize, I know it's a difficult time, but this was WAAYYYY too good to pass up. :D

[Tacitus]

I apologize, I know it's a difficult time, but this was WAAYYYY too good to pass up. :D


:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I'm too modest to comment...

[SpoOkY]

Love=no exist

Figment of your imagination, like money!

It's there, but NOT REALLY there

Then aren't all emotions figments of our imagination; anger, hate, jelousy, grief. Yet these are so prevelent in our lives they shape everything we do, unless you're incredibly mellow :cool: and stay the same all the time. Yet then you wouldn't really ever feel anything truly worthwhile. For you to have the capacity to love totally, you also have to have the capacity to feel pain totally.

Life's tough, life's tricky and love is an extreme degree of tough and tricky. It takes work and time. From my experience 18 yr olds don't want to go deeper in a relationship because that would leave them vulnerable however that's the only way to truly connect with somebody. If you connect with somebody then in the end there is no 'on' or 'off' because one or the other will realise it wasn't meant to be. But love is a hard thing, maybe the hardest thing...IMO

[chicagofrog]

the guilt/blame/anger is slowly receeding.
I still compare other women to her, can't help it, we were together for most of my adult life. The comparisons are more even-handed now though.
What I'm trying to say is that the scars heal - but the best scars can be shown off with pride. :)

wow, i don't know if i should be admirative or completely lost and alone. 1 year after 10 years, and already so optimistic? yeah, i guess that should be admiration.

else, my comfort to you Pyro, is that first love or not, tis not the most important, when you discover the real true love, then don't ****** it up and i wish you to be lucky so she doesn't either. because if any of you do, tis not a few hard moments you'll have, it may even be the rest of your life.

or judging by Tacitus above, i'm the only one to be so f.uckin' weak? cuz me, i don't recover. who cares anyway? tis your thread.

so, head straight, bud Pyro! :)

[Sexy Celebrity]

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[Caitlyn]

wow, i don't know if i should be admirative or completely lost and alone. 1 year after 10 years, and already so optimistic? yeah, i guess that should be admiration.

else, my comfort to you Pyro, is that first love or not, tis not the most important, when you discover the real true love, then don't ****** it up and i wish you to be lucky so she doesn't either. because if any of you do, tis not a few hard moments you'll have, it may even be the rest of your life.

or judging by Tacitus above, i'm the only one to be so f.uckin' weak? cuz me, i don't recover. who cares anyway? tis your thread.

so, head straight, bud Pyro! :)


Hmm... this post might just explain a lot...

[chicagofrog]

Hmm... this post might just explain a lot...

not the way you imagine.
or have you known me like 10 years?? :rolleyes: , twouldn't be enough to get near understanding me, i'm not a sitcom simple character.

[Caitlyn]

not the way you imagine.
or have you known me like 10 years?? :rolleyes: , twouldn't be enough to get near understanding me, i'm not a sitcom simple character.

I never imagined you were a simple character… but it has been more then apparent, (to me at least) since you first joined this forum, that you have an underlying problem with females…

[chicagofrog]

I never imagined you were a simple character… but it has been more then apparent, (to me at least) since you first joined this forum, that you have an underlying problem with females…

1) why don't you analyze females that have an underlying problem with males? and be honest and tell me it has nothing to do with you being a female?
2) who doesn't? if most people, as i experienced in other places too but especially (much more systematically) in the US are just supposed to be happy all the time and answer "ooooooooooh i feel wonderful today and you?" to "how are you?" (among other "oh, my g.o.d, i'm soooooooo happyyyyyy to seeeee you") never talking about their problems, of course someone open that doesn't care about what's correct, what could appear as deviant or incorrect, and doesn't hide deep things will always appear to have more issues and problems than those not telling you anything
3) look around and in a country where media censorship (in combination with that happiness dictatorship mentioned above) i.m.o. is one of the (many/complicated) reasons why you have more street and domestic violence than other places, more rapes and, to be seen by all on any saturday nite, so many sex-obsessed guys (even those who wear a necktie) talking BS and making stupid hits on women and unable to think as soon as tight pants and shirts are in the same room... i guess they have more under- and overlying problems with women
4) your first sentence is just the empty and nice introduction to what you think you now understand, which you don't, but if you really thought so, you would spend more time trying to understand all the other things too

[Caitlyn]

1) why don't you analyze females that have an underlying problem with males? and be honest and tell me it has nothing to do with you being a female?
2) who doesn't? if most people, as i experienced in other places too but especially (much more systematically) in the US are just supposed to be happy all the time and answer "ooooooooooh i feel wonderful today and you?" to "how are you?" (among other "oh, my g.o.d, i'm soooooooo happyyyyyy to seeeee you") never talking about their problems, of course someone open that doesn't care about what's correct, what could appear as deviant or incorrect, and doesn't hide deep things will always appear to have more issues and problems than those not telling you anything
3) look around and in a country where media censorship (in combination with that happiness dictatorship mentioned above) i.m.o. is one of the (many/complicated) reasons why you have more street and domestic violence than other places, more rapes and, to be seen by all on any saturday nite, so many sex-obsessed guys (even those who wear a necktie) talking BS and making stupid hits on women and unable to think as soon as tight pants and shirts are in the same room... i guess they have more under- and overlying problems with women
4) your first sentence is just the empty and nice introduction to what you think you now understand, which you don't, but if you really thought so, you would spend more time trying to understand all the other things too


You totally misunderstood my post… and should learn to think before you jump… as it stands right now, you've only re-enforced my earlier thoughts on your opinion of women…

[chicagofrog]

You totally misunderstood my post… and should learn to think before you jump… as it stands right now, you've only re-enforced my earlier thoughts on your opinion of women…

as you mine! same dishonest touch-the-subject-but-pull-away-as-soon-as-things-get-deeper method.
is that how honest you can be?
a) where did i "jump"?
b) how have i misunderstood if your last sentence proves what you were getting at?

you didn't answer to my first question (not mentioning the silence about logical (if, yes, discutible) arguments 2 and 3), which proves my point again.

plus, a propos "jumping", who here stupidly, ridiculously, jumps to a conclusion like your last sentence which concerns women, while my post concerned men, in 2 and 3, and just how people can know each other in 4? and so, only my question in 1 can lead you to such a dumb statement. oh, that's always better than answering the question, isn't it? don't you ever analyze yourself and why you act the way you do, before pretending to have a right to analyze others? so, yes, my question is what it is, a question (which i fear i know the answer to): does your unfairness in the choice of whom (what gender) you choose to crash-analyze like that have anything to do with your gender?

plus:

1) if disliking feminism means having "underlying" (in what way "underlying" BS??) problems with all females, so has a woman underlying problems with men if she doesn't like machos?

2) my only problem is i loved one too much. how does it relate with what you assume you understand?

3) lastly, my post was meant to give Pyro some emotional comfort and you turn it to a discussion about me - whom you don't know at all - which again proves what you were getting at. what's that for?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

de ja vu, anyone?

[chicagofrog]

de ja vu, anyone?

write it "déjà vu". so much for your spelling knowledge
Déjà vu Samsonite take part in anything where i show my nose?
so much for my trying to comfort someone,
(you won't get me outta here even with a whole Feminist Movement army behind (i guess it would be before) you)

[Yoda]

1) why don't you analyze females that have an underlying problem with males? and be honest and tell me it has nothing to do with you being a female?
2) who doesn't? if most people, as i experienced in other places too but especially (much more systematically) in the US are just supposed to be happy all the time and answer "ooooooooooh i feel wonderful today and you?" to "how are you?" (among other "oh, my g.o.d, i'm soooooooo happyyyyyy to seeeee you") never talking about their problems, of course someone open that doesn't care about what's correct, what could appear as deviant or incorrect, and doesn't hide deep things will always appear to have more issues and problems than those not telling you anything
3) look around and in a country where media censorship (in combination with that happiness dictatorship mentioned above) i.m.o. is one of the (many/complicated) reasons why you have more street and domestic violence than other places, more rapes and, to be seen by all on any saturday nite, so many sex-obsessed guys (even those who wear a necktie) talking BS and making stupid hits on women and unable to think as soon as tight pants and shirts are in the same room... i guess they have more under- and overlying problems with women
4) your first sentence is just the empty and nice introduction to what you think you now understand, which you don't, but if you really thought so, you would spend more time trying to understand all the other things too
This post is one giant non-sequitur. Her statement about your attitude towards women in no way implies that she doesn't know women with the same problem, nor is she saying that people should pretend to be happy when they're not. Also, your ant about censorship is completely out of place. I'm not surprised, though, as you seem intent on tying almost every disagreement you have on this forum back to that topic, as if it were the root of all evil.

In other words, you're being defensive, changing the subject, and overall simply causing me to believe that Cait is probably onto something.

[chicagofrog]

Her statement about your attitude towards women in no way implies that she doesn't know women with the same problem

the choice one makes about what one mentions or keeps silent says things too.
like i said 1000 times, i don't see any attitude toward women if one speaks about feminism, just like talking about machism is not an attitude toward men in general. or is the subject (as i read in many websites) so taboo now in your "modern" societies that everyone sees things one way (back to the brainwashing thing, uh?)?
now yes, i don't see any other reason for the big majority having all the same taboos than censorship, hence my rementioning it here and there.
let's see how you think in 16 years.

nor is she saying that people should pretend to be happy when they're not

i didn't say she thought that.
why is it everything should always be personally addressed to someone? i was giving an example in 3 and 4 to make clear that
someone open that doesn't care about what's correct, what could appear as deviant or incorrect, and doesn't hide deep things will always appear to have more issues and problems than those not telling you anything meaning that the more you talk and reveal about yourself, of course the more it will appear you have more problems than people who chose not no address personal matters and talks about general things, whatever those things are, without revealing much about themselves as persons.
why is my giving an example implying i assume she assumes that i etc...blahblah,,,, etc etc?

your ant about censorship is completely out of place

i'm not sure it has nothing to do with the subject though. it was another example, and like in a discussion in a bar, subjects come and go that not necessarily are unrelated, as a matter of fact, you'd find a thread after a deep look at it. or are you always so straight-to-the-matter and please-limit-yourself-to-answer-yes-or-no?
plus, yeah, there you may have something (about my real (unlike the other) problem with censorship (see above). everyone has something he hates most, or not?

as if it were the root of all evil.[/

not all, not the hurricanes and not all wars, but much "evil", yes.

[Pyro Tramp]

*Pyro makes a quick escape from thread, denying any involvement*

[chicagofrog]

we should all do that! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Pyro Tramp]

Just stop arguing CF! And try and use proper punctuation, i can't make it through your posts when you use half assed English.

*Pyro quickly leaves thread..... again*

[chicagofrog]

thanx for the advice!
(i'd called it third-assed English though :))

[SamsoniteDelilah]

write it "déjà vu". so much for your spelling knowledge
Déjà vu Samsonite take part in anything where i show my nose?
Am I supposed to avoid places you post now?
I may. If this continues, posting here is going to be a royal pain.

so much for my trying to comfort someone,
(you won't get me outta here even with a whole Feminist Movement army behind (i guess it would be before) you)
I asked for you NOT to get banned, for the record. I'm not trying to drive you out of anywhere, I just wish you'd stop going into frenzies and attacking people.

[Pyro Tramp]

Just for the record, love your two user titles.

[chicagofrog]

I asked for you NOT to get banned, for the record. I'm not trying to drive you out of anywhere, I just wish you'd stop going into frenzies and attacking people.

i get that, Sammy. but was i personally attacking someone here, really?

[Eyes]

i get that, Sammy. but was i personally attacking someone here, really?
More than anything, you seemed to be lashing out. Perhaps in defense of yourself. I find that to be very out of character for you Chicago Frog. Whatever the case, we've all strayed very far off the topic of this thread. Despite any of our views can we please just agree to disagree, stop b!tching with eachother, and get back to offering support to Pyro?

[chicagofrog]

1) Perhaps in defense of yourself. 2) Whatever the case, we've all strayed very far off the topic of this thread.

1) if you read my posts, you'll find twice this same suggestion!

2) plus, what was out of place was that insinuation (or how do you react when someone insinuates something about you?) :
this post might just explain a lot...
so that one pays the price for a) comforting someone (and i'll never ever accept that, good actions are to be awarded, not punished) b) not always being a secretive person but someone who opens his heart in a website he thought was full of more than the usual polite people being nice cuz they're supposed to be, i.e. in an empty and superficial way

[Tacitus]

the usual polite people being nice cuz they're supposed to be, i.e. in an empty and superficial way

I think you'll find that the vast majority of the people here are 'being nice' because they are, in fact, nice. Y'know: treat folks like you'd expect to be treated?

If you take that as being 'empty and superficial' then it's your problem.

[chicagofrog]

I think you'll find that the vast majority of the people here are 'being nice' because they are, in fact, nice. Y'know: treat folks like you'd expect to be treated?

If you take that as being 'empty and superficial' then it's your problem.

what i meant is: what's the price to pay for opening one's heart and not being silent about personal matters

now you chose to read only that part you didn't like, like you do when you look for faults in someone you don't appreciate. very fun, i saw that happening at school too! you don't even comment on the intention to being supportive or whatever. you've taken sides i guess and whatever i may say now "can be used against me". well, i don't recognize that jury!

[Tacitus]

what i meant is: what's the price to pay for opening one's heart and not being silent about personal matters

now you chose to read only that part you didn't like, like you do when you look for faults in someone you don't appreciate. very fun, i saw that happening at school too! you don't even comment on the intention to being supportive or whatever. you've taken sides i guess and whatever i may say now "can be used against me". well, i don't recognize that jury!

For goodness sake, get a grip.

The part I quoted was the part I chose to respond to, no more, no less. That doesn't say I didn't read everything. Do you want me to make you a cross or can you do it yourself?

[chicagofrog]

Do you want me to make you a cross or can you do it yourself?

he :D if you provide the thorn crown, how long is the delivery delay?

[Blister]

he :D if you provide the thorn crown, how long is the delivery delay?

........7 days

[chicagofrog]

hehe! can the world wait so long?? ;)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

...so that one pays the price for a) comforting someone (and i'll never ever accept that, good actions are to be awarded, not punished) Sober up and read this carefully. From what you've said here and elsewhere, you have a long history of being detested - I will cite references if needed. You have an opportunity to start to understand why, if you so choose.

You did not pay ANY PRICE here for comforting someone.
You were tapped by Caitlyn for ongoing sexist comments. You have attempted to turn the fact that Barcelona is in Spain into a battle of the sexes. The fact that everyone had a good laugh at your insane antics does not change the fact that this points to a possibly serious imbalance on your part. Caity's comment was about an apparent contributing factor to that imbalance. It had NOTHING to do with anything healthy or good on your part.

b) not always being a secretive person but someone who opens his heart in a website he thought was full of more than the usual polite people being nice cuz they're supposed to be, i.e. in an empty and superficial way
Your assumptions about other people and their motives speaks volumes about the contents of your heart than about anyone else. You need to understand that. You respond to things you fear you'll see, leaving people baffled and irritated with you. That this has happaened now four times at this site is becoming extremely frustrating. Please get yourself in hand.

[chicagofrog]

thanx C. for the intelligent post. no, i'm not being ironic or cynical.
except maybe that i'm "sober", should you know.

you have a long history of being detested - I will cite references if needed. You have an opportunity to start to understand why, if you so choose.

i think nobody understands everything and i won't be the first exception.
in "real" life as in here, right reasons would be cuz of my
1) being insulting
2) being provocative
3) being against everything, maybe in an obsessed manner, politically correct and taboos (and i know i tend to put the finger right there where i detect a taboo by a given person)
4) being "lashing out"? is this the word? engaging in long speeches when i feel attacked
5) my opinions (political, about feminism, violence, US government, centralism, etc etc etc...)

1) is unacceptable i'll give you that, at least on a personal level. i shouldn't lose my temper, like nobody should after all.
if people detest me for 2), i regret their detesting, but i wouldn't mind their not liking my sense of humor or ignoring me, since i guess i'd find theirs pretty flat, if they have any.
about 3), i should cure the obsessiveness of it, but apart from that, i really have a right to defend my anti-tabooism, even if it costs me the being detested by those who do accept political correctness. i'm not unhappier without that kinda people in my life. i already see too much of them, they're everywhere, medias, tv, anyway.
about 4), yeah, maybe i do talk too much? too vehemently? and i know some don't like my abstract examples and think it's not related to the matter etc etc.... well they should read more, try Nietsche and Heidegger, good training, or respect a more elusive/eliptical - what's the right word???) - way of thinking, after all i've been spending 20 years reading Asian philosophy, it must have influenced the way i reason.
5) happens too, sadly enough. and that's what i was sometimes attacked for, and that's unacceptable too. you can reproach me my being insulting, but not having the opinions i have, even if you find some shocking or something (which touches point 3 again).

You did not pay ANY PRICE here for comforting someone.

i know that. i dunno what you think of me, but i'm not completely dumb.
what i meant, and i'm pretty sure you could understand that, was "despite my good intentions".
when one detests, to use your own word, someone so much that one is not being able anymore to see the other, possibly "good" sides (i put "" since tis all relative and in fact it just means, the sides you elsewise, by someone else, would appreciate/respect/like), then i call that being unfair. or "demonizing" your adversary (what too often happens f. ex. in politics).

i'm far from perfect and i did get angry and used words i shouldn't have but it seems to me to be very easy to understand you can like/love aspects of what you hate/detest, and vice-versa.
which i try, not always with success, i admit, to apply to my "adversaries".
and once you've understood that, you'd revise your opinion about at least certain aspects of me and you'd get the why i can say i love the US, even if i can sometimes say i hate this and that in the US - even if this and that amounted (which it doesn't) to 95%, i'd still love 5%, which is a lot to love, innit? and it's a *feeling* i feel, so who are you to tell me you know better? i'm not gonna tell you whom you love!

You were tapped by Caitlyn for ongoing sexist comments.

first i'd say twas not the right place then. for two reasons: 1) there was nothing remotely "sexist" in this thread and 2) you don't kill your muslim enemy when he's praying, in my morality system.
second, see above. plus, why can't you understand it makes me angry when one can repeat 387 times the same thing and justify this and that, and no one listens cuz... like you said, they detest him?
but well, even if i do tire, i'll write it down once again: writing against feminism is not sexist. if you think otherwise you're a perfect example of intolerance and i don't have to deal with that, don't wanna have anything to do with you or any person that thinks that way. insulting you was something else entirely, which i regret.

You have attempted to turn the fact that Barcelona is in Spain into a battle of the sexes. The fact that everyone had a good laugh at your insane antics does not change the fact that this points to a possibly serious imbalance on your part.

i said many times it was not a discussion of opinions, but the problem was only you: so yes, i was being very very unfair, since the same post written by someone else wouldn't have made me angry that way. i'm sorry for that. i still do think that some of your reproaches toward me are wrong, and i guess they had accumulated over the time, plus it was a bad evening, and your post was felt by me like an attack, and twas the last drop that made it too much. i rather should've taken a sleeping pill and forget about it... :(

Your assumptions about other people and their motives speaks volumes about the contents of your heart than about anyone else.

i was speaking generally... :rolleyes: be honest C., and tell me you were never yourself fed up with superficial politeness in your entourage, at work or wherever? i don't see that critic as soooo terrible. and i was kinda asking: is that what often happens here as well? and the answer could be "no" too!

[Anonymous Last]

People say it's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved, but loosing love leaves you with painful memories. Are they worth it?

What's up?

Are they worth it? Every ounce and every bit buddy! Let them in and let them out. It's like breathing... it's a part of life. You'll know to cherish the moments that mean something to you.



From my experiences... sometimes the memories and the resemblance of her looks on my daughter's face kills me inside. Though I'm glad I have them and I wouldn't trade them for the world. I'm not saying that it won't leave some sort of scar but I grew with the pain and learned from it. Pyro, I'm not a perfect man and I guess I closed up a bit from it. That is why you have to let the memories flow as they come. It's normal to feel and it doesn't make you girly.

Sincerely,

Mr. Last

[Eyes]

8 days Pyro, how ya holdin up?

[Darth Stujitzu]

I takes time, and there are no quick cures, but eventually you'll move on.
I'm a big believer in everything happening for a reason, the reason might not be apparent to you at the time, but eventually more and more things make sense in a retrospective way.
My brother was going to ask his girlfriend to marry him next week, he's been planning it for months now, and low and behold they split up last weekend. My brother is devastated, but secretly I'm over the moon, the girl was a money grabbing selfish little madam. My brother was blinded by her, and she could do no wrong, I know it will take him a long time to get over her, his first real love at age 28, but over the last couple of days he has said some things that make me think he is now looking at their relationship from a different angle.
It's a start on the long road back, but eventually we all make that start, some take longer than others, me, I'm normally sprinting off the blocks, but then I do have a bad history with girlfriends ( need to stop picking up girls outside the psyciarity wards! )
I'll never own another pet rabbit.

[Pyro Tramp]

8 days Pyro, how ya holdin up?

It still feels weird when i think about what we had and how she's with someone else. In ways i'm happy she's found someone who can give a stable relationship, even if he is 22 and likes 8 Mile. I'm meeting up with her on thursday, think it will be the first time i see her without being able to kiss her, going to be interesting.

[Sexy Celebrity]

It still feels weird when i think about what we had and how she's with someone else. In ways i'm happy she's found someone who can give a stable relationship, even if he is 22 and likes 8 Mile. I'm meeting up with her on thursday, think it will be the first time i see her without being able to kiss her, going to be interesting.

Well, if she can't pick a good man after you, she's not worth being miserable over. Eminem is so gay anyways. He's always running around naked, showing his ass, singing about Michael Jackson and Pee Wee Herman. Many gay men I know wanna know what's up with that?

Trust me, if a relationship is over, it doesn't mean your relationship history has ended. Unless, of course, you're run over by a truck later, and then it is.

I'm sure another girl will be attached to you eventually. A nice one, even. Why, you could send her here to see that you're a Mr. Sensitive by writing girly posts. The possibilities are endless!

[Eyes]

It still feels weird when i think about what we had and how she's with someone else. In ways i'm happy she's found someone who can give a stable relationship, even if he is 22 and likes 8 Mile. I'm meeting up with her on thursday, think it will be the first time i see her without being able to kiss her, going to be interesting.
I think you'll be fine, Hakuna Mattata :D

[Pyro Tramp]

Hmmmm, interesting meeting with her. We reminised (sp?) about old times and went back to my halls and hugged and almost pulled only she didn't want to cheat on her new guy.

[Darth Stujitzu]

She's pulling the old Vulcan mind trick, run away Jaberwocky.
You have to be carefull that she's not just leading you on, and that you become the back-up if things don't work out with the new guy, I know this has happened to a lot of my mates, and they have ended up being more hurt.
You're her safety net if all else goes wrong, so be carefull, this might not be the case, but just be wary, as I've already stated it's very rare that the friendship thing with an ex works out well for both concearned.

[Pyro Tramp]

Yeah, i've pretty much sorted my feelings for her out now though. I won't be taking her back anytime soon.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Yeah, i've pretty much sorted my feelings for her out now though. I won't be taking her back anytime soon.
Good for you. :up:

[chicagofrog]

as I've already stated it's very rare that the friendship thing with an ex works out well for both concerned.

as exceptions confirm the rule, one of my three best female friends is an ex-girlfriend.

[Darth Stujitzu]

Sacre bleu!!!!
But hey you Frenchies like everything rare! :laugh:
It's quite possible that I could throw up on site just by looking at steak tatare. Too many summers spent in Arcachon!!!

Honestly, I don't keep in touch with any of my ex-girlfriends, even the small select band that aren't insane.
Each to their own, I just hope Pyro is not being strung along by the more devious of the sexes ( I've just lost all my brownie points with the female Mofos, maybe I should have said cunning! D'OH!!! )

[nebbit]

I just hope Pyro is not being strung along by the more devious of the sexes ( I've just lost all my brownie points with the female Mofos, maybe I should have said cunning! D'OH!!! )

:yup: ;D

[chicagofrog]

1) But hey you Frenchies like everything rare!
Honestly, I don't keep in touch with any of my ex-girlfriends, even the small select band that aren't insane.
2) It's quite possible that I could throw up on site just by looking at steak taRtare.
3) ( I've just lost all my brownie points with the female Mofos, maybe I should have said cunning! D'OH!!! )

1) hei, French are weird uh? but you date insane persons?? ;) :p :p :p :D
(personally and seriously, i dislike very much the twas-good-as-long-as-it-lasted-and-now-farewell-don't care-about-you philosophy)
2) hei..., i guess it's called tartare for some reason... must come from there, tis not French... :)
3) welcome to the club! :D

[Eyes]

Yeah, i've pretty much sorted my feelings for her out now though. I won't be taking her back anytime soon.
Glad to hear it. :) ;)

[Pyro Tramp]

Well, i've now got a new interest, only it's bringing up more problems and is more complicated than my last. Gah.

[Anonymous Last]

Well, i've now got a new interest, only it's bringing up more problems and is more complicated than my last. Gah.

Take it like a man!

[Eyes]

;) She's just invited herself over mine :D

.....but she's been here the last few nights and NOTHING :(

you need to set up a situation

[Pyro Tramp]

Bah, the whole 'just friends' thing, suppose can't expect much more, what with her having a b/f n all.

[nebbit]

Bah, the whole 'just friends' thing, suppose can't expect much more, what with her having a b/f n all.

:yup:

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Bah, the whole 'just friends' thing, suppose can't expect much more, what with her having a b/f n all.
Would you want a gf who had a boyfriend and ran around with other guys?

[chicagofrog]

just "ran" around? tis okay!

[Tacitus]

just "ran" around? tis okay!

I don't think Cindy means running around in the terms of a 400m Hurdles training partner (why is it that every running sport I put in there sounds like a euphemism for 'you know what'?).... ;)

[chicagofrog]

(why is it that every running sport I put in there sounds like a euphemism for 'you know what'?)

well, if you were Spaniard you probably couldn't stop talking about the corrida i guess... ;)
(now everyone will have to check the slang meaning of "corrida" in a good Spanish dictionary... :eek: )

[Eyes]

She's breaking up with her boyfriend anyway, though i just found out she's bi :(

Hmmmm, i can break her, just needs sometime.
Why the HELL would you break a bisexual girl?!?!?

[Pyro Tramp]

Three reasons.

[Eyes]

Three reasons.
I honestly need a good reason for this.

[Pyro Tramp]

Let's make sure we're on the right page- i want to break, as in get her to like me, not phsysically break, at least net yet.

Why a bisexual girl is cool, here be my reason 3:

1)Me
2)Her
3)Her hot lesbian friends

[Eyes]

Let's make sure we're on the right page- i want to break, as in get her to like me, not phsysically break, at least net yet.

Why a bisexual girl is cool, here be my reason 3:

1)Me
2)Her
3)Her hot lesbian friends

OOOOOHHHHHHH, okay, I thought you wanted to break her of her bi-sexuality.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Let's make sure we're on the right page- i want to break, as in get her to like me, not phsysically break, at least net yet.

Why a bisexual girl is cool, here be my reason 3:

1)Me
2)Her
3)Her hot lesbian friends
With this level of regard for her, I have to say - sounds like you're too immature to date anyway.

[Yoda]

Do you realize that you went from "Oh woe is me, the love of my life is lost" to "maybe I can get her to hook me up with her hot lesbian friends" in less than a month and a half? Kinda undermines the idea that you were in love at all, which undermines your judgment in general.

But seriously, go for it. There's absolutely no way this'll blow up in your face.

[Anonymous Last]

There's no love in this thread.


*walks away*

[Pyro Tramp]

I was looking in the bright side of things, and replying to Eyes question. I don't have a problem with bi-sexuality, just making it sound more appealing to Eyes who i thought had a problem with it, though it's been established we had our wires crossed.

And Sammy, my statement was general, not specific to the one girl, plus i'm sure that any man would admit to having at least small inclination towards having a threesome.

Yoda, i've been trying to move on from my ex, and i've found someone i actually genuinely like, and as mentioned, i never said "Oh, i bisexual girl, let me get with her so i can have a threeway", my post was remarking on a general plus side of going with a girl who is bi. And i used that example as i was sthought it would appeal to Eyes, hence seemed relevant.

Anyway, since i appear to have a made a boo here, i'll accept what you've said, and hope that you've accepted that i'm not just trying to get a threeway and this girl is someone who i actually like for her, not any of the other stuff. I've moved on from my ex because i've stopped seeing her and have found someone to like instead, i can't see what's wrong with that. I agree this thread began with me being as Yoda said, but it was a first experience so i'd have no idea how things would have gone afterwards.

Btw, i deleted my posts before this as i thought it was a bit rude discussing her on an open forum.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Pyro~ deleting the posts was a respectable move. :)
Good luck with the new girl.

[Anonymous Last]

Good luck with the new girl.

....but he's still going to try for the 3 way... right?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

....but he's still going to try for the 3 way... right?
In his head, apparently...

[Eyes]

i'm sure that any man would admit to having at least small inclination towards having a threesome

well, DUH.

gulty :blush:

[Darth Stujitzu]

Be wary of the bi-sexual girl!!!
I have gone out with 2 bi-sexual girls so far. and what I've found is that they're more screwed up than the norm!!!
The first time I chickened out, it might seem great at the time, but.....
The second time I got chucked for the other girl, my manhood took a severe beating!
I'm sure most straight guys have the two girl fantasy, but what you see in dodgy porn movies and reality are two different things.
I think what you are dealing with is a girl unsure of herself and ultimately her sexuality, which can lead to all manner of complications, tread carefully, you don't want to get hurt again so soon after your last girlfriend.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for, I'm no saint, but I believe in finding the right person is more important than brief self fullfillment, having said that...... :randy:

[nebbit]

Be wary of the bi-sexual girl!!!
I have gone out with 2 bi-sexual girls so far. and what I've found is that they're more screwed up than the norm!!!


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Tea Barking]

If her friends are lesbians i doubt they would want a threesome with a guy, but you can always get a sex change :)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Be wary of the bi-sexual girl!!!
I have gone out with 2 bi-sexual girls so far. and what I've found is that they're more screwed up than the norm!!!
Heh.

Every guy I've known who has had a 3some with two women has reported being basically left out and feeling like a 5th wheel... or a third leg.

That's not even getting into the fact that sex isn't a sport.

[Pyro Tramp]

I thought 3somes were mythical events, only in porn like.......

[Darth Stujitzu]

Heh.


That's not even getting into the fact that sex isn't a sport.



Sex isn't a sport? Damn, I've been doing it wrong all these years!!!
I always wondered why my exes look worried when I bring my tennis racket to bed!!! New balls please.

Yeah, you can be left with a lot of time on your hands in a threesome, I guess it depends where your hands are! :eek: :randy: :laugh:

I love that quote by Marilyn Monroe, a gentleman always kisses a lady's hand, then again it depends where her hand is.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

I thought 3somes were mythical events, only in porn like.......
They happen. But much like the difference between sex and porn, there's a wide gulf between the porn version of a 3 way and the real experience, from what I've heard.

[Darth Stujitzu]

They happen. But much like the difference between sex and porn, there's a wide gulf between the porn version of a 3 way and the real experience, from what I've heard.


Damn, I knew I shouldn't have grown that blonde 70's moustache!!!

[7thson]

there's a wide gulf between the porn version of a 3 way and the real experience

Yes this is so true as I have experienced a 3 way before, it is nothing like porn. I mean the sheep and the donkey never runs away in the pornos.:D

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Do a lot of guys in porn have 70's mustaches?
ew.... do I even want to know?




Yes this is so true as I have experienced a 3 way before, it is nothing like porn. I mean the sheep and the donkey never runs away in the pornos.
Am I imagining things, or has this thread taken a turn?

[Darth Stujitzu]

Do a lot of guys in porn have 70's mustaches?
ew.... do I even want to know?


Or maybe you do!!! :randy: :randy: :randy:

I'm going for the retro porn look, it's this years black apparantely.

[7thson]

Do a lot of guys in porn have 70's mustaches?
ew.... do I even want to know?




Am I imagining things, or has this thread taken a turn?

Sorry I was out of line, I have never been with a sheep before.

[Pyro Tramp]

Glad you're not ashamed about you zoophilliac lust for donkeys 7th.

[chicagofrog]

this thread is really taking a new turn... turn around or turn over?

[Eyes]

the only kind of love left in this thread now is then kind cleaned up with a mop. :eek: :eek: :eek:


there, I said it.

[Pyro Tramp]

Eyes, i can't believe you went...... there

[nebbit]

the only kind of love left in this thread now is then kind cleaned up with a mop. :eek: :eek: :eek:


there, I said it.

:laugh:

[Eyes]

Eyes, i can't believe you went...... there

I didn't, I only went halfway there, now I'm right here