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sunfrog
09-02-05, 07:37 PM
Yes, he does. He sucks so much.
LordSlaytan
09-02-05, 08:09 PM
Yes, he does. He sucks so much.You always have the most interesting threads, sunfrog.
Where do you ever find your inspiration?
Tea Barking
09-02-05, 08:22 PM
What does he suck? :confused:
He says on the news that the relief effort isn't good enough, then why not do something about it?
TheUsualSuspect
09-02-05, 08:25 PM
I've been in heated debates over the **** job Bush has been doing, it was really intense around election time, but according to some, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on him because I'm Canadian.
LordSlaytan
09-02-05, 08:33 PM
Works for me.
No disrespect intended, of course, but this really isn't the time to start pointing fingers. There will be plenty of time to do that after things get settled in the affected areas. Despite what the federal government has or has not done, let's let them do NOW what needs to be done instead of dwelling on it. It looks like the effort is really going forward now, and that's good news.
Darth Stujitzu
09-02-05, 09:29 PM
Remember Bush's swift action after hearing about the world trade centre in Moore's Faranheit 9/11.
I really couldn't believe he was re-elected, and yes his inactivity is shocking but hardly surprising.
However, right now it's all about the people most affected, and not about Dubya.
Even setting aside the ridiculous notion that local government should not bear the most responsibility for such matters, I've seen no evidence of this supposed inaction even on the federal level. I hear vagueries about "not doing anything," but I've yet to hear anything to back this up. What part did he do wrong? You tell me, since you pretend to know.
Even setting aside the ridiculous notion that local government should not bear the most responsibility for such matters, I've seen no evidence of this supposed inaction even on the federal level. I hear vagueries about "not doing anything," but I've yet to hear anything to back this up. What part did he do wrong? You tell me, since you pretend to know.
Agreed. People expect the federal government to have immediate relief ready once the devastated areas need it (which is an incredibly difficult feat, particularly since those tracking the storm were unclear where it was going to make landfall until only a couple days before). If anything, the local precautions taken were not enough, but again - you really can't blame them.
The only credible criticism I've heard was today, when the press reported on New Orleans government officials' lobbying in Washington for decades in pursuit of better hurricane precautions for the city. They had limited, and only short-term, success. They warned Washington that if a category 4 or 5 hurricane hit the city, it would be a catastrophe - not to mention, the death toll would be enormous. But you can't really blame George W. Bush and this administration alone for decades of neglect.
No disrespect intended, of course, but this really isn't the time to start pointing fingers. There will be plenty of time to do that after things get settled in the affected areas. Despite what the federal government has or has not done, let's let them do NOW what needs to be done instead of dwelling on it. It looks like the effort is really going forward now, and that's good news.
I agree with you. I had to turn off the talk radio stations this morning on the way into to work. I can't listen to that crap right now. The problem just needs to be dealt with...then looked at and analyzed.
Let's face it...depending on your opinions, you could spin this any way you want. Just get these these poor people help...and start cleaning up. Clean up on a massive over-sight on all fronts can come later when emotion won't rule peoples heads.
Just a thought.
The_Butcher
09-02-05, 10:55 PM
Yes bush deserves to die!!! AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!!!
Monkeypunch
09-02-05, 11:19 PM
okay, while I'm always up for a round of Bush Bashing, tis fun and all, I think that the time for this is not right now, as valid as it may be. Right now we should all donate what we can, food, money, blood, to the Red Cross and to other organizations to help out these poor folks.
Then we can bash the sh*t out of Bush later, but with more valid criticisms than, "he sucks."
sunfrog
09-03-05, 02:59 AM
okay, while I'm always up for a round of Bush Bashing, tis fun and all, I think that the time for this is not right now, as valid as it may be.
This is the perfect time because Bush lovers are dumb and they'll forget by next week. Yoda will be saying how Bush did this and that and how wonderful he is so I want to point out that Bush is sucking right this minute so Yoda will believe me.
Darth Stujitzu
09-03-05, 06:46 AM
Even setting aside the ridiculous notion that local government should not bear the most responsibility for such matters, I've seen no evidence of this supposed inaction even on the federal level. I hear vagueries about "not doing anything," but I've yet to hear anything to back this up. What part did he do wrong? You tell me, since you pretend to know.
Sorry Yoda, are you launching a personal attack, or a general attack on this thread? The phrase " you pretend to know " comes across as both patronising and condescending, and implies that your opinion is the only one that counts. Whilst I have no desire to make enemies on this forum, I'm certainly not scared to back up my views and opinions when challenged. Whilst I admit I am not in possession of all the facts, can you honestly say you are? From the coverage I have seen by the British media, I am of the opinion that a country with America's wealth and resources could be doing more, and whilst I can't claim to have seen every single news clip involving the aftermath of Katrina, I can't recall Bush being very vocal in what his plans are long term and more importantly short term.
Please don't assume that I don't have the intelligence to back up my views and opinions, that would be sheer folly on your part, I really hope I have the wrong end of the stick on this one, but it wouldn't be the first time I have felt your opinions are slightly clouded and self rightous.
I hope this is the end of the matter, there are more important issues here, especially Caitlyn and her wellfare, but I always rise to the bait when challenged.
Monkeypunch
09-03-05, 09:20 AM
This is the perfect time because Bush lovers are dumb and they'll forget by next week. Yoda will be saying how Bush did this and that and how wonderful he is so I want to point out that Bush is sucking right this minute so Yoda will believe me.
Yeah, but Bush lovers are dwindling in numbers, and even republicans are forced to admit this has damaged his public image critically (read this in the paper this morning). meanwhile, there are many more important things than saying ha ha I told you so. After the people are safe, believe me no one is gonna be worshipping Bush again.
The Silver Bullet
09-03-05, 09:21 AM
It's not so much 'not doing anything' as it is 'didn't do.' The Bush administration didn't do enough beforehand, despite constant warnings. The president's trite "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees" remark is utter rubbish.
Mike Parker, the former head of the Army Corps of Engineers, was forced to resign in 2002 over budget disagreements with the White House. He clashed with Mitch Daniels, former director of the Office of Management and Budget, which sets the administration's annual budget goals.
"One time I took two pieces of steel into Mitch Daniels' office," Parker recalled. "They were exactly the same pieces of steel, except one had been under water in a Mississippi lock for 30 years, and the other was new. The first piece was completely corroded and falling apart because of a lack of funding. I said, 'Mitch, it doesn't matter if a terrorist blows the lock up or if it falls down because it disintegrates -- either way it's the same effect, and if we let it fall down, we have only ourselves to blame.' It made no impact on him whatsoever."
I know it's already a platitude to say so, but the money was all being used elsewhere--in the war on non-US sanctioned terror in general and in Iraq in particular. Just like the National Guard.
Click here (http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0905/090105jv1.htm) for the rest of the article.
Anyways, that's my post for 2005. See you all next year!
This thread is really pitiful and unproductive.
This thread is really pitiful and unproductive.
Agreed.
sunfrog
09-03-05, 05:18 PM
I know you are and so's your president. lol
Witness the suckiness of G Bush jr. Witness it, and remember.
Instead of saying New Orleans will rise again he should be saying our hearts go out to the people of Louisianna. Saying they'll rise again is like saying, meh, they'll get over it. What an *******. If Bruce Willis were president he would have driven the convoy in himself, jumped out of the first jeep and started handing out M.R.E.s, instead of just taking off his suit so he looks like he's down home folk and visiting for a few minutes. It was just a publicity opportunity for Bush. He doesn't really care.
r3port3r66
09-03-05, 05:40 PM
The question then, can be asked: "what have you done to help?"
Of course you have an answer...right?
I know you are and so's your president. lol
Hopefully this is just wind blowing out your arse, otherwise I have got a rude awakening for you about what I have done.
Darth Stujitzu
09-03-05, 07:12 PM
I'm partly to blame for having a go at Yoda, but let's not turn against each other.
Thankfully Caitlyn is ok, and whatever our own personal polotics lets not be counter-productive. I'm sure the last thing Caitlyn and Equilibrium want to read on this forum is infighting and a slagging match, after all they have been through.
I'm thousands of miles away, and apart from making donations, there is not much else I can do. I have spoken to my friend Dennis from New Orleans, and thankfully him and his family are all ok. They face a long struggle ahead like everyone else involved, I'm just glad he's ok, and his spirits seem quite high despite what has happened. His kids and family are safe, he feels blessed for that, and after talking to him, I realise that my problems and opinions are trivial compared to what he has just been through.
Let's try to stick together and be as supportive as we can.
I just hate pettyness is all, oh well.
If Bruce Willis were president he would have driven the convoy in himself, jumped out of the first jeep and started handing out M.R.E.s, instead of just taking off his suit so he looks like he's down home folk and visiting for a few minutes.
Oh, the same Bruce Willis who refused to fly after 9/11?
BA Chief Calls Actors "Gutless Cowards"
9 November 2001 (StudioBriefing)
British Airways claimed today (Friday) that CEO Rod Eddington was quoted "out of context" in an article appearing in the London Daily Mirror in which he reportedly called Hollywood stars "gutless cowards" for refusing to board airplanes since Sept. 11th. "It's pathetic," he reportedly steamed. A spokesman for the airline said that Eddington's remarks were made during an informal conversation with the editor of the Mirror, Piers Morgan, aboard the first British Concorde flight since last year's crash in Paris. Eddington, the Mirror had said, had particularly singled out Bruce Willis, who had canceled an appearance at the London Film Festival following the attacks. "This is the guy who makes movies in which he's the hero saving the world. But in real life he's too scared to fly in a plane. ... People like him should be setting an example ... [as] role models," Eddington said. The BA chief contrasted the attitude of film stars to those of New Yorkers, who, he said, have made "a marked effort" to resume flying. "But frankly the Los Angeles set have retired to their mansions," he said.
Bruce Willis Video Message Booed At London Film Premiere
19 November 2001 (WENN)
Hollywood tough guy Bruce Willis' video message at the premiere of his new film Bandits at the London Film Festival was met with jeers by the audience. The Die Hard legend had planned to fly to Britain for the event but pulled out following the American terror attacks. The message said, "I love England - thank you for your support of America." Festival spokesman Graham Smith says, "It's always a bit bizarre when a personal message is played to the audience." The star was at the centre of a uproar last week when British Airways chief Rod Eddington appeared to criticize Hollywood stars for refusing to fly in the wake of the September 11 attacks.
HellboyUnleashed
09-03-05, 11:28 PM
Okay Sunfrog, I'm going to be not so nice with you. I will not call you yourself stupid, for everyone makes mistakes, even head of states. I will call your accusations of Bush not the smartest or well thought out at the least. Bush in my opinion is not a very good president but that's because no politicians are great people, they are mostly liars trying to get money or trying to get people to vote them into a higher rank. Bruce Willis, Along with everyother actor, is probably as fit for the job or political office as much as my dog. Their have been some good people incharge that were actors but even they made mistakes. It is also not realistic to blame just Bush for all the actions taken during and after Katrina. It is unrealisitic to have response very quickly to a big problem like this because you would have problems like congress(lets face it, you can't decide very quickly on a subject when the decisions are made by poloticians), there would be a safty issue(I highly doubt you could really keep him safe in New Orleans if he just walked in with the skelton forces they had there(skeleton as in very small amounts)). It's just unrealistic to have action to help right on the spot but people did survive on 9/11 and people survived when Katrina hit. They are helping now and it's better late than never my amphibious friend.
I'm not really interested in keeping this discussion going given the immediate attention required in getting people to safety, but there are some statements here that need to be corrected.
Instead of saying New Orleans will rise again he should be saying our hearts go out to the people of Louisianna.
He did say that. He also mentioned the people of Mississippi and Alabama, who deserve as much attention as anyone else.
Saying they'll rise again is like saying, meh, they'll get over it.
Maybe to you, but you're biased because you're looking to twist his words. His statement was perfectly plausible because rebuilding New Orleans needs to be done (don't forget, New Orleans is where these people live - it's where they've made their lives).
If Bruce Willis were president he would have driven the convoy in himself, jumped out of the first jeep and started handing out M.R.E.s
Maybe so, but I would like to think the President - in his position of federal power - would be able to make himself a little more effective than that. There are thousands of National Guardsmen and volunteers on hand to do that.
instead of just taking off his suit so he looks like he's down home folk and visiting for a few minutes. It was just a publicity opportunity for Bush.
And jumping out of a jeep to hand out MRE's isn't a publicity opportunity? Come on...
He doesn't really care.
Did he tell you that? Are you good friends with them? Are you tapped into him somehow?
Guys, like I said before, this really isn't the time to start pointing fingers. It kills me that the press is already starting to bash those who have put the relief effort into action. Of course, there may be some legitimate criticisms to be made (I've certainly seen some unnecessary hiccups) - but for Christ's sake, don't start slamming the people in charge while they're trying to do the right thing. It just undercuts the effort, and that's not right.
Yes, he does. He sucks so much.
Nah.
For the record I do think Bush blew it on this one, really he did. I have to also say that I cannot think of a president since maybe Reagan that would have done a better job. The facts are that there was no solid plan in place because the magnitude of the destruction was unthought of. I still think quicker action ahould have been taken, but we are so mired down in doing what is "politically" correct that people died because of it. The president is the leader of this country, but that is in many ways only a label, he only has so much power. In this instance he screwed up and it was a big one. The National Guard need to be used as they were originally created for and they need to be trained and prepared for modern day disasters be it Hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards or whatever. The failure in this instance is all of ours in this country. We vote the leaders into office and as a citizen who lives in an area that is highly prone to hurricanes I am going to demand that a plan is in place and I want to know what that plan is. Otherwise how can I complain too much? I am still angry for our governments slow response, but I myself take some of the blame.
You always have the most interesting threads, sunfrog.
Where do you ever find your inspiration?
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Godsend
09-04-05, 04:51 PM
Sunfrog, please step down...the last thing we need is YOU representing Democrats (unless you're a Republican, then I'd be happy you've come to your senses).
A small timeline if I could:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4211404.stm
It seems as if a team from Rhode Island got there before our troops, http://www.lifespan.org/news/2005/09/DMAT/timeline.htm
What I'm trying to say is that this one sucked big time! I've heard people going around comparing this to the tsunami...it truely isn't. We actually had information that it was coming our way. The people fled. We all saw the pictures. Traffic jams that were worst than Mardi Gras time, but yet no one did anything?
Now shouldn't the DHS have something to do with this one? I mean after 9/11, we were all speaking about being prepared for the next big thing, no matter what it was. Were we for this one? Nope.
I know there have been hurricanes before and most of them don't even come to compare to the aid needed in this one, but if anyone was smart enough to read along with me on CNN.com and acknowledge the fact that New Orleans is under sea level...well that could mean they're knee deep in trouble. Why didn't anyone figure this one?
Even when Bush did declare a state of emergency for Louisana, he still do anything. I'm sure one of his advisors was spitting out the facts while he was on vacation....though I can see he got distracted by those pathetic war protesters, but for this long?
There have also been people yelling around at the passing of the bill (10 billion for aid) and that it took too damn long. I mean we've all heard seen the 'I'm a bill on parliament hill' video. Do you really think it was that ******* long?
Beside peoples ignorance, Bush did really phuck up this time. Not as bad as other times (such as using feces for fetus. though it's uncomparable, it's just woah) You knew what was going to happen.
I like this article the best though, http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.chertoff/index.html . Funny when Government Officials pretend to play scientists.
sunfrog
09-04-05, 06:52 PM
Is that true?? Bruce Willis did that?? NoooooO!!!! ::Sunfrog begins to cry:::
P.S. Have you witnessed the suckage yet or are you still in denial?
Tea Barking
09-04-05, 07:17 PM
I haven't witnessed any suckage, but what he does in the privacy of his own home isn't my buisness.
sunfrog
09-04-05, 09:31 PM
But it was your business what Clinton did wasn't it?
You destroyed America because of a b.j. then you turn a blind eye on a war for oil, rampant greed and corruption, and the blatant disregard for the Constitution, and now you refuse to see how much Bushlite sucks during this disaster. What's wrong with you? Seriously. How can you be that way? Why does your brain work that way? What has to happen for you to believe the truth?? :(
No disrespect intended, of course, but this really isn't the time to start pointing fingers. There will be plenty of time to do that after things get settled in the affected areas. Despite what the federal government has or has not done, let's let them do NOW what needs to be done instead of dwelling on it. It looks like the effort is really going forward now, and that's good news.
While I agree that the response to Katrina was mismanaged, I have to agree with this statement. If you're going to criticize Bush, you have plenty of other ammunition...This disaster is off limits, and until they finish calculating the damage and helping those who are displaced, we're going to have to concentrate on the long vacations that Bush takes, and how each one precipitates a huge disaster...first 9/11, now this. If nothing else, he's really crap luck for our country. We have to concentrate on other things, like how much Bush's oil-producing friends are making right now, and how they're probably funnelling him large sums of cash to numbered accounts in Zurich or the Caymans, we have to concentrate on the fact that(before the hurricane), Bush has been too busy to take an afternoon with Cindy Sheehan to comfort her, and instead has turned her into the symbol of the negativity this nation is discovering that they have for our troops' continued vacation in Iraq. You have to concentrate on the fact that, if Bush's Bible thumping friends have their way, Antonin Scalia will become the Chief Justice, and another whacko-conservative will replace Scalia, and they will take Rowe v. Wade and knock us back to the dark ages. You have to concentrate on the horrible constitution that Iraq has drafted, and the official state religion they have decreed -- Islam, of course -- making the morality statements in their new constitution worse than their old one. These things -- and more -- can be open forum...but for the moment, leave the President/the government's response to Katrina alone!
but for the moment, leave the President/the government's response to Katrina alone!
I understand this in the big picture, but on an internet movie forum nothing we say here is really going to directly help anyone there. Granted we make those like EQ and Caity feel better knowing we care about them, but that is the extent of it in the short term. I am not saying we start bickering about things, but debate is always an ingredient of forward progress. I am not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but it does not matter. The snide remarks about long vacations and Clintons sexual escapades are really fruitless. "Bad luck" was mentioned about Bush. Thats a bogus claim. I am only so adamant about standing on my foundation of convictions because I am a strong family man. I am seeing so many families suffer and the slow response haas caused people to die and people are still dying. There are staging areas for victims that have died due to lack of needed medcines or scheduled treatment. So yeah like I said before Bush did not do enough, but at the same time I see that some people are loving the idea that he is getting bashed for "sucking". You ought to be ashamed, if indeed you are one of these people. Outrage I can understand, but needless bantering is pitiful.
Slightly off topic: I may be temporaily offering my services to the National Guard, I have not decided. I was part of a Guard unit in Southern California and I know a few guys in a unit taking part in this. They really need internal support. Anyway if I can get a temp G.S. position I may be away for awhile, it is still up in the air, but if I bail for awhile from the forum thats where I will be.
Tea Barking
09-05-05, 05:50 AM
But it was your business what Clinton did wasn't it?
You destroyed America because of a b.j. then you turn a blind eye on a war for oil, rampant greed and corruption, and the blatant disregard for the Constitution, and now you refuse to see how much Bushlite sucks during this disaster. What's wrong with you? Seriously. How can you be that way? Why does your brain work that way? What has to happen for you to believe the truth?? :(
:indifferent: .....
Godsend
09-05-05, 11:12 AM
Sunfrog is our retarded genius.
Go sunfrog
You destroyed America because of a b.j. :(
I hope that was one Helluva' suckage there, maybe G.B is not the best sucker out there after all.:D :eek:
HellboyUnleashed
09-07-05, 08:38 PM
Why are we getting upset about water that is under the bridge?(figuratively) We need to realize our mistakes then go on about the buisness of helping the people in Louisiana and Missisippi that were affected and helping the people that are in shelters right now. There is not time for pointless bickering. We just need to get over it, mistakes were made, it's inevitable, we need to get over it and help those who we can instead of standing around and laying blame on people for what they did and did not do.
Also, in my personal opinion, I think that democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals, or any other political group is a bunch of fools. People are trying to be down in a gang type situation, no. It's not good. People making up their mind before they hear the issue. Don't be down with a gang, do what you would do in most of your day to day situations. Hear all the facts, then form you opinion, not before.
sunfrog
09-07-05, 10:29 PM
Because I hate republicans and I wish they'd stop existing. Here's a quote I read today:
Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."
So don't turn away and say it's water under the bridge like everyone's been doing with Bush, the war, the greed, the corruption, the destruction of everything America stands for, etc.. Pay attention and never vote republican again as long as you live.
HellboyUnleashed
09-07-05, 10:47 PM
Republicans are stupid, but so are democrats. all political parties are stupid. Yes that is a good qoute but we could not have predicted the amount of damage and evil did happen but you can't pin it on republicans alone. Do you think that Democrats had nothing to do with it? They had a big part it in it as well. Don't go pointing fingers at one person or one group, point it at everyone because everyone played a part in this. The past democrat president(s) have not done anything in case of an emergency like this because it was said that New Orleans had been asking for flood evac plans fro a long time and had not gotten them. It's everyones fault, not just republicans.
The_Butcher
09-08-05, 12:19 AM
I find it weird that Bush started acting all caring and stuff after he was talked about and stuff. But thats far from the point, I also find it sad that people would rather talk crap about Bush and not pay a single wisp of attention to the people that are suffering due to the hurricane. Who cares about Bush?! Save your words for later! People are dying!!
-TheButcher
sunfrog
09-08-05, 03:22 AM
Who isn't paying attention to the people that are dying? That's all we've been doing. I just don't want the republicans to get away scott free again.
And no, all parties are not the same.
The_Butcher
09-08-05, 07:12 PM
Who isn't paying attention to the people that are dying? That's all we've been doing. I just don't want the republicans to get away scott free again.
And no, all parties are not the same.Ok, I could pay attention all day that does not mean I'm doing anything to help bro.
sunfrog
09-10-05, 07:28 PM
You aren't paying attention. If you were you'd know this thread isn't about helping. It has nothing to do with helping.
Bush jr sucks, and now guess who's in charge of the investigation into who sucks? The Dems were starting an investigation then the Reps took it away from them and took over. Does that surprise you? Now they can lay the blame on someone else. Who's gonna be the scapegoat? Hmm..? Let the b.s. commence.
After the b.s. all you easily misled folks will defend Bush, just watch.
HellboyUnleashed
09-10-05, 09:08 PM
I really don't see the point of this thread eveyone. Obviously Sunfrog has a very biased view when it comes to politics, so lets just let it die.
Godsend
09-10-05, 10:22 PM
Hellboy...IMHO, you are no different than Sun.
Because I hate republicans and I wish they'd stop existing. Here's a quote I read today:
Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."
Yep those Dems are Saints.
HellboyUnleashed
09-11-05, 12:04 AM
Hellboy...IMHO, you are no different than Sun.
How so Godsend?
Thursday Next
09-11-05, 05:11 PM
Bush sucks, sky is blue, dogs bark....what more shock thread headers can we come up with....?
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