Off to Spain tomorrow...

[Ash_Lee]

Awake and ready to go at 5 am, flight at 11, and then it's a 2 hour flight to a weeks break from a welsh Summer.

Anyway, there was an important question I needed to ask (don't mock me :( ). Will the fly on a pair of jeans set off the metal detectors?

[susan]

Awake and ready to go at 5 am, flight at 11, and then it's a 2 hour flight to a weeks break from a welsh Summer.

Anyway, there was an important question I needed to ask (don't mock me :( ). Will the fly on a pair of jeans set off the metal detectors?

didn't on mine, however if you are wearing a belt take it off, remove the change from your pockets (or your bag, i had a metal mirror in my makeup bag and THAT went off) and your keys and if you have any kind of scissors or leatherman it must not be on your person....

anyway have a great time....i will have to do the same thing in about 3 weeks when i go down to florida....

[Ash_Lee]

May look a bit dodgy if I take my belt off in a crowded place...

Ah what the heck, thanks for putting my mind at ease! Now I'd better go pack, see you all in a week!

[Tacitus]

Awake and ready to go at 5 am, flight at 11, and then it's a 2 hour flight to a weeks break from a welsh Summer.

Anyway, there was an important question I needed to ask (don't mock me :( ). Will the fly on a pair of jeans set off the metal detectors?

Derek Smalls lives!!

Have a great time. :D

[Caitlyn]

Hmmm... It's a good thing I didn't fly commercial the last time… I'd still have some 'splainin to do'… ;)


Anyway, have fun Ash... :)

[Equilibrium]

May look a bit dodgy if I take my belt off in a crowded place...

Ah what the heck, thanks for putting my mind at ease! Now I'd better go pack, see you all in a week!

nah, you'll fit right in..they make everyone take off their shoes and belts and wahat not.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

How was Spain??

[Ash_Lee]

Oh it was OK I suppose. I didn't actually get to see much of the country, we were surrounded by a concrete jungle most of the time.

Barcelona was pretty good (except the 90 minute tour around the Stadium. I'm not a football fan), and we got to see the illuminated fountains there, which are definately worth a visit if you're ever in the city.

The rest of the time was spent either sunbathing by the small pool or going to the theme park PortAventura (pretty good, very big), or the nearby water park (can't remember the name).

But by the end of it me and my family were on the verge of killing each other. It's always the case.

[chicagofrog]

well, Barcelona is Catalonia, or do you say Edinburgh is in England, and so is Cardiff?
colonialism sucks, and hides everywhere
so, you haven't been to Spain?

[criss]

well, Barcelona is Catalonia, or do you say Edinburgh is in England, and so is Cardiff?
colonialism sucks, and hides everywhere
so, you haven't been to Spain?:) that´s a good question

[Blister]

Enjoy yourse......oh wait, your back.....maybe i should read the rest of the thread first.

[Ash_Lee]

well, Barcelona is Catalonia, or do you say Edinburgh is in England, and so is Cardiff?
colonialism sucks, and hides everywhere
so, you haven't been to Spain?
But isn't Catalonia, along with the other 17 or so autonomous communities, a part of Spain? Like Wales is a part of England?

[chicagofrog]

Like Wales is a part of England?

you mean a part of Britain? :rolleyes:
Cymru rhydd!

[Ash_Lee]

I'm pretty sure Wales is a part of England, but my source is full of himself so maybe that's not too reliable.
Anyway, as I understand it, saying I haven't been to Spain because Barcelona is in Catalonia is like saying I've never been to the UK because I was visiting Glasgow. Catalonia, Murcia and Navarre etc make up Spain, just like Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland make up the UK.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

I'm pretty sure Wales is a part of England, but my source is full of himself so maybe that's not too reliable.
Anyway, as I understand it, saying I haven't been to Spain because Barcelona is in Catalonia is like saying I've never been to the UK because I was visiting Glasgow. Catalonia, Murcia and Navarre etc make up Spain, just like Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland make up the UK.
http://tm.ask.com/r?t=c&s=p&sv=0a300527&uid=012E775D28CF52824&sid=13388B85CD2068234&o=0&id=30751&p=%2Ffr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spain-hotels-discount.com%2Fimage%2Fgaudi_barcelona_map.jpg

[chicagofrog]

I'm pretty sure Wales is a part of England, but my source is full of himself so maybe that's not too reliable.
Anyway, as I understand it, saying I haven't been to Spain because Barcelona is in Catalonia is like saying I've never been to the UK because I was visiting Glasgow. Catalonia, Murcia and Navarre etc make up Spain, just like Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland make up the UK.

first, no, don't be pretty sure. unfortunately for anti-colonialists like me, Cornwall now is, Wales is not, just like Scottland, Man or Northern Ireland are not. UK is not Britain is not England.
second, your comparison is worthless. now you did change "England" for "UK". i see you didn't spend ten minutes of your life thinking about those matters or you would have compared the concepts behind the words UK, England, state, country, Spain and "Spanish state". Navarra is Basque country. Spaniards like it or not. Murcia, yes it's Spain. their only language is Castillan, aka Spanish.
third, why do you think it would be more valuable to have been in Spain than in Catalonia?
fourth, colonialists, centralists and all their kind are so limited - while they visit one country, i have the pleasure to visit 7 or more. (about 10 or so in France) why spare you the (not trouble) beautiful richness of this world?

[chicagofrog]

now, two real maps for people with more imagination and heart and less ignorance than certain other people:
http://www.lesnostresimatges.org/wiccac/400PPCCWiccac.jpg
Catalan countries map
and a map of the real Europe for those Americans with heart that wanna deserve to visit it:
http://www.eurominority.org/documents/cartes/europe-stateless-nation.gif
although the map of Italy is wrong. later i shall post a real one. Italy is like 15 different languages=countries.

[blibblobblib]

Im so jealous! Have BUENOS fun!

[chicagofrog]

here it is, en even better one that shows that Italy too is a colonialist dream not based on any linguistic reality:
http://www.eurominority.org/documents/cartes/europe-languages-continant.gif

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Barcelona is in Spain, Ridiculo. It's been in Spain for a long time, and your browbeating people on a message board isn't going to change the fact that it's in Spain. Spaaaaaaaaaaaain Spainy el Spainador.

[Tacitus]

I've sold my car, thrown in my job, I'm 34 years old
I think it's time I saw the world, and not Australia
I've sold my car thrown in my job I'm 34 years old
I think it's time I saw the world coz I hate the cold and rain and grey


I'm going to Spain
Cousin Norman had a real fine time last year
He said it doesn't rain
I hope I can quickly learn the language yeah
I hope I can quickly learn the language


And the factory floor presented me with some tapes of Elton John
I hope it might keep me company but I hate the goo- goo-goo-goodbyes
Coz I'm going to Spain
Cousin Norman had a real fine time last year
I hear it doesn't rain
I hope I can quickly learn the language yeah
I hope I can quickly learn the language yeah


My mother cried last Friday night
When I said that I'll be gone
She packed it up, and then cashed in her premium bonds
And I'm going to Spain
Cousin Norman had a real fine time last year
They say it doesn't rain
I hope I can quickly learn the language yeah
I hope I can quickly learn the language


I'm going to Spain
I'm going to Spain


Better rate culture there boy


I'm going to Spain
Cousin Norman had a real fine time last year
They say it doesn't rain
I hope I can quickly learn the language-eh

Freedom for Tooting!!

http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_tv/citizensmith_3.jpg

[chicagofrog]

Barcelona is in Spain, Ridiculo.

yeah and people like you reduce the territory of Indians/Native Americans every year (what would please Caitlyn by the way - and she's a woman, so you have to like her) and you just suck. i prefer to be what you call ridículo (like the Galician Criss and the Irish Tacitus) and speak all the languages i do than being a f.ucking ignorant yank like you that doesn't know what language family Emilian belongs to.
plus i am not as stupid as a vagina-obsessed feminist that one had an argument with someone and now will just say the opposite no matter what, you infantile bitch. dya have an opinion on your own or do you just oppose people you decided you hate? you're so ignorant and full of hatred you won't even see the contradiction between being a so-called liberal American and defend a colonialist point of view. get f.ucked and start thinking instead of being the typical female emotional void stereotype you are.

[Tacitus]

i prefer to be what you call ridículo (like the Galician Criss and the Irish Tacitus) and speak all the languages i do

And I'd prefer it if you weren't so offensive to other people. Seeing as you brought my name up.

[chicagofrog]

And I'd prefer it if you weren't so offensive to other people. Seeing as you brought my name up.

sorry Tacitus. there's some background to it and sometimes duty is duty, no pleasure.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

Barcelona is in Spain.

[chicagofrog]

and Vermont is Canada.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

yeah and people like you reduce the territory of Indians/Native Americans every year (what would please Caitlyn by the way - and she's a woman, so you have to like her) and you just suck. i prefer to be what you call ridículo (like the Galician Criss and the Irish Tacitus) and speak all the languages i do than being a f.ucking ignorant yank like you that doesn't know what language family Emilian belongs to.
plus i am not as stupid as a vagina-obsessed feminist that one had an argument with someone and now will just say the opposite no matter what, you infantile bitch. dya have an opinion on your own or do you just oppose people you decided you hate? you're so ignorant and full of hatred you won't even see the contradiction between being a so-called liberal American and defend a colonialist point of view. get f.ucked and start thinking instead of being the typical female emotional void stereotype you are.
Barcelona? It's in Spain.

[Tacitus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/news_features/images/fawlty_towers_manuel_150.jpg

Where's he from?

[chicagofrog]

for Americans, two options: England or Spain?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

For Barcelona, one option: Spain.

[criss]

id like to thank Chicagofrog for posting those maps, which are very good i think, for people to see them and change their mind about the usual concept of 1 nation=1 language, which is totally not true most times

i can say i am Galician and i have no problem in admitting im Spanish too, but i prefer to say im Galician because i feel it more and i like more Galician language than spanish one, im very proud of it, of having an own language, own culture, history and traditions which make us to be different from the others, that of course i also respect as much as mine
so i think is not okay if i just say "im spanish" because im not really, or not as much as other people(from "really" Spain) are because even if i speak Spanish i have Galician accent

[SamsoniteDelilah]

id like to thank Chicagofrog for posting those maps, which are very good i think, for people to see them and change their mind about the usual concept of 1 nation=1 language, which is totally not true most times

i can say i am Galician and i have no problem in admitting im Spanish too, but i prefer to say im Galician because i feel it more and i like more Galician language than spanish one, im very proud of it, of having an own language, own culture, history and traditions which make us to be different from the others, that of course i also respect as much as mine
so i think is not okay if i just say "im spanish" because im not really, or not as much as other people(from "really" Spain) are because even if i speak Spanish i have Galician accent
I think all of this is very cool. How you identify yourself should always be up to you personally, becase it is you who knows your own background and what you identify with.

What I find wrong is the attitude that it's ok to insult other people for using understood terminology. chicagofrog's vileness toward americans and toward women is here for all to see, thanks to his own hands. I have stated nothing in this thread other than the very simple truth that the city of Barcelona is in Spain. He has attacked my character, called me names and been rude to others in his rage. His attacks on me are entirely untrue, unfounded and unfair. This is not the first time that his initial reaction in a thread has been to insult people and I'm sure it won't be the last. It's becoming a very clear pattern, observable here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=10001), here (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=10531&page=1&pp=25), and this is the third thread where he has gone off on someone for not thinking the way he does.

[criss]

yes i totally understand you

i truly believe in what i said about being Galician and all that, and i think it is okay and necessary to say and defend your ideas, as he (Chicagofrog) also did. I think it is just normal that two people think about this (which is quite complicated to understand) differently, because of education ,society in which they have grown up, experiencies in life, and a long etcetera
but respect is essential, just if you are respectful, only that way people will (or "should") at least listen to you, and maybe then just maybe people would agree more

just my opinion

[chicagofrog]

a shame many posts were erased with the site outdate, included mine where i
1) precised to Ash Lee the last post addressed to him was number 16, and i couldn't find anything insulting in it when i reread it
2) presented my apologies to him if he felt addressed to, as well as to all people, except one, whose feelings may have been hurt by the language used
3) said i felt sorry it happened in Ash Lee's thread

now, i say what i think in posts, which are public, and i don't, like that SD
1) try to look tolerant and cool in public and then write private messages, like the one she sent me in response to that thread she so much wanna mention in her post here (where by the way the only thing she does there is launching a discussion and then hysterically screams I'M NOT HAVING AN ARGUMENT - she meant: "publicly") where she says things like it seems that Yoda and me and others don't think with our brains but with another part of our body for believing so much in biology and biological differences.
i don't fear anything, if i say something like that, i say it publicly; she doesn't have the balls to, to put an image she'd "like". which proves, together with other experiences, that most feminists are just female machos, but even worse, since they lack the muscles, they act in your back.
2) is only capable to be so infantile as to badrep (which i personally never did, but once, in response to her) someone with a message like "die".
now, i said in another post only the worst persons in this world can wish the death of someone, even Bin Laden's or Bush's. same like killing, just you don't have the means to. oh! of course, she doesn't have any religion, it wouldn't be "progressive", and everybody knows religions and the morality related to them are based on patriarchal bullsh!t. no wonder she has no principles. she's such a modern-day, free and progressive wo-man.
reminds me of three nazi skinheads me and friends had problems with in a bar, well, you know, even their kind wouldn't hit you in the face if you wear glasses. the only time i've been slapped in the face while still wearing glasses was by the same kinda feminist hag. they have less moral principles than nazis.
3) said she'd put me in her "ignore list" - which is another infantile dumb reaction, but well, what's to expect...?? - but later each time i write something she'd post after me and try to make fun of me and my opinions, which is (but would her "brains" understand something soooooooo complicated??) just as insulting as f.ucker, dick or c.unt for open-minded people without vocabulary taboos. weird, since she's West Coast...
i'd so much prefer to have fun here and ignore her. but that doesn't go in one direction.

oh yeah, so she knows me sooooooo well just thru a few posts... and i thought you couldn't know someone unless you spent hours and hours with, during years.
she knows me so well, that no doubt am i a hater of everything and everyone American.
weird then, that i speak (at least some imperfect) English, only read on English and 70% of the movies i watch every single day are made in USA, and that anyone i really know, anyone who reads my posts, anyone with whom we've been writing private messages would tell you i always say (almost) everything i like/love is American, movies and novels and comics and music.
weird thing that my best male friend in Berlin is American. and he criticizes the US more than me. but i guess this is part of the problem. cause if i were Palahniuk i could write against the whole American society (and make macho jokes against women) in my novels, or be my American friend and criticize anything,... i'd have a right to cuz i'd be an American citizen? now who's the reactionary racist-nationalist?
oh, and i hate women? right. weird things i've got 4 best friends and 3 are women. since 15-10 years.
no, you see, i love women as much as i despise feminists like you. and no, both words are NOT equivalent (in fact, can a balanced intelligent woman be a feminist? i dunno, but people like that give me strong doubts - or maybe, i dislike feminists *because* i love women). all the good friends i made in Chicago would tell you, i love Americans... as much as i despise only one now! and no, that's not Bush, he's a much better person than SD.
that's the kinda person who's only able to defend her own kind and uses her obsession to close all conversations with a "you wouln't say that if i were not a woman". yeah right, so if you were black, anyone not your opinion would be a racist. gosh, i lived that situation (and am not the only one judging by people who told me the same story) so often, and it's a so commonplace poor strategy (like i said elsewhere, no man ever in an argument told me "you say that because i'm a ... man" (preferably screaming)... we're lucky she's not a black Jewish lesbian feminist woman, or we'd all be sued for some reason. i guess she wishes she were. she wouldn't react thus if, like i actually do, disliked most Germans and French, no, she wouldn't feel concerned... so much altruism does she have! me i don't need a drop of Indian/Native American blood in my veins to defend the Iroquois against the Canadians. or any people, if the cause is just.

[adidasss]

But isn't Catalonia, along with the other 17 or so autonomous communities, a part of Spain? Like Wales is a part of England?
that was pretty funny actually, even i know that wales isn't a part of england.....although when it comes to spain, i'm a bit iffy....never thought about it that way chicagofrog, i guess you're right, although she would be true to say she's going to spain, catalonia is a part of spain, just like i would be true in saying i'm going to brittain if i'm going to england....or that i'm going to the US if in fact i was going to california....no?

[Ash_Lee]

My post that got deleted:

In short, I assumed post 17 (which was the one that upset me):
now, two real maps for people with more imagination and heart and less ignorance than certain other people:
...was aimed at me. Perhaps I'm overly sensitive but being called unimaginative, heartless and ignorant seems pretty mean.

But if this is a misunderstanding I take back what I said (especially "jerk").

[adidasss]

now, two real maps for people with more imagination and heart and less ignorance than certain other people:
http://www.lesnostresimatges.org/wiccac/400PPCCWiccac.jpg
Catalan countries map
and a map of the real Europe for those Americans with heart that wanna deserve to visit it:
http://www.eurominority.org/documents/cartes/europe-stateless-nation.gif
although the map of Italy is wrong. later i shall post a real one. Italy is like 15 different languages=countries.
although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects it doesn't make them different nationalities.....or countries for that matter....regions yes, countries no.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....

[adidasss]

yeah and people like you reduce the territory of Indians/Native Americans every year (what would please Caitlyn by the way - and she's a woman, so you have to like her) and you just suck. i prefer to be what you call ridículo (like the Galician Criss and the Irish Tacitus) and speak all the languages i do than being a f.ucking ignorant yank like you that doesn't know what language family Emilian belongs to.
plus i am not as stupid as a vagina-obsessed feminist that one had an argument with someone and now will just say the opposite no matter what, you infantile bitch. dya have an opinion on your own or do you just oppose people you decided you hate? you're so ignorant and full of hatred you won't even see the contradiction between being a so-called liberal American and defend a colonialist point of view. get f.ucked and start thinking instead of being the typical female emotional void stereotype you are.
this in fact was unnecessarily harsh/mean/nasty....

[adidasss]

here it is, en even better one that shows that Italy too is a colonialist dream not based on any linguistic reality:
http://www.eurominority.org/documents/cartes/europe-languages-continant.gif
also, despite the fact that croatian and serbian are essentially one language, we are two very different nations....2 nations, not one like according to your map.....
also, in certain parts of croatia people speak certain dialects ( as do i ) which people who speak the official dialect do not understand a single word of , but we are all croatians.
the situation with languages in europe is far more complex then you make it out to be....

[SamsoniteDelilah]

a shame many posts were erased with the site outdate, included mine where i
1) precised to Ash Lee the last post addressed to him was number 16, and i couldn't find anything insulting in it when i reread it
2) presented my apologies to him if he felt addressed to, as well as to all people, except one, whose feelings may have been hurt by the language used
3) said i felt sorry it happened in Ash Lee's thread

now, i say what i think in posts, which are public, and i don't, like that SD
1) try to look tolerant and cool in public and then write private messages, like the one she sent me in response to that thread she so much wanna mention in her post here (where by the way the only thing she does there is launching a discussion and then hysterically screams I'M NOT HAVING AN ARGUMENT - she meant: "publicly") where she says things like it seems that Yoda and me and others don't think with our brains but with another part of our body for believing so much in biology and biological differences.
i don't fear anything, if i say something like that, i say it publicly; she doesn't have the balls to, to put an image she'd "like". which proves, together with other experiences, that most feminists are just female machos, but even worse, since they lack the muscles, they act in your back.
2) is only capable to be so infantile as to badrep (which i personally never did, but once, in response to her) someone with a message like "die".
now, i said in another post only the worst persons in this world can wish the death of someone, even Bin Laden's or Bush's. same like killing, just you don't have the means to. oh! of course, she doesn't have any religion, it wouldn't be "progressive", and everybody knows religions and the morality related to them are based on patriarchal bullsh!t. no wonder she has no principles. she's such a modern-day, free and progressive wo-man.
reminds me of three nazi skinheads me and friends had problems with in a bar, well, you know, even their kind wouldn't hit you in the face if you wear glasses. the only time i've been slapped in the face while still wearing glasses was by the same kinda feminist hag. they have less moral principles than nazis.
3) said she'd put me in her "ignore list" - which is another infantile dumb reaction, but well, what's to expect...?? - but later each time i write something she'd post after me and try to make fun of me and my opinions, which is (but would her "brains" understand something soooooooo complicated??) just as insulting as f.ucker, dick or c.unt for open-minded people without vocabulary taboos. weird, since she's West Coast...
i'd so much prefer to have fun here and ignore her. but that doesn't go in one direction.

oh yeah, so she knows me sooooooo well just thru a few posts... and i thought you couldn't know someone unless you spent hours and hours with, during years.
she knows me so well, that no doubt am i a hater of everything and everyone American.
weird then, that i speak (at least some imperfect) English, only read on English and 70% of the movies i watch every single day are made in USA, and that anyone i really know, anyone who reads my posts, anyone with whom we've been writing private messages would tell you i always say (almost) everything i like/love is American, movies and novels and comics and music.
weird thing that my best male friend in Berlin is American. and he criticizes the US more than me. but i guess this is part of the problem. cause if i were Palahniuk i could write against the whole American society (and make macho jokes against women) in my novels, or be my American friend and criticize anything,... i'd have a right to cuz i'd be an American citizen? now who's the reactionary racist-nationalist?
oh, and i hate women? right. weird things i've got 4 best friends and 3 are women. since 15-10 years.
no, you see, i love women as much as i despise feminists like you. and no, both words are NOT equivalent (in fact, can a balanced intelligent woman be a feminist? i dunno, but people like that give me strong doubts - or maybe, i dislike feminists *because* i love women). all the good friends i made in Chicago would tell you, i love Americans... as much as i despise only one now! and no, that's not Bush, he's a much better person than SD.
that's the kinda person who's only able to defend her own kind and uses her obsession to close all conversations with a "you wouln't say that if i were not a woman". yeah right, so if you were black, anyone not your opinion would be a racist. gosh, i lived that situation (and am not the only one judging by people who told me the same story) so often, and it's a so commonplace poor strategy (like i said elsewhere, no man ever in an argument told me "you say that because i'm a ... man" (preferably screaming)... we're lucky she's not a black Jewish lesbian feminist woman, or we'd all be sued for some reason. i guess she wishes she were. she wouldn't react thus if, like i actually do, disliked most Germans and French, no, she wouldn't feel concerned... so much altruism does she have! me i don't need a drop of Indian/Native American blood in my veins to defend the Iroquois against the Canadians. or any people, if the cause is just.

Barcelona?
It's in Spain.

[adidasss]

^^hahaha....you're funny.....:)

[SamsoniteDelilah]

although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects it doesn't make them different nationalities.....or countries for that matter....regions yes, countries no.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....
It will be interesting to see if you get called a ton of names and dismissed as ignorant. You've said the same as I have: that countries are defined by legal boundaries, not linguistic or cultural groupings. But you're not American. So if the frog tears you a new one, despite how wrong he'll be yet again, then his position will be consistant. If he doesn't, then he's simply a bigot, looking for a reason to sh*t on americans, as he has in other threads.

Which will it be?

[Tacitus]

although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects it doesn't make them different nationalities.....or countries for that matter....regions yes, countries no.....
and also, that map is not entirely correct, i see that certain parts of croatia are marked as hungarian, it's a map of minorities, just because there are a few hungarians living in a certain part of my country , doesn't make them a majority in that part or that part of my country hungary.....

Indeed. :)

There's a huge difference between Regionalism and Nationality...

[adidasss]

i sense a furious reply coming up.....;)

[chicagofrog]

You've said the same as I have: that countries are defined by legal boundaries, not linguistic or cultural groupings.

oh yeah?, so it's all about following what the official version tells you? now that's exactly the point. you should vote Republicans if you're so logical. now that's inspiration, poetry and originality of thinking... :rolleyes:
if you had dedicated 10 minutes of your life to the subject, you would know it's all the conceptual concept here in Europe. but then again, you're just an ignorant new-worlder. so you should shut up, like i would on atom energy.

also, despite the fact that croatian and serbian are essentially one language, we are two very different nations....2 nations,

Adidass,
you're right. like Swiss and Germany? yes, not only language defines a "nation" (can brainwashed colonialists - anti-Bush but still defending the same view of the world - get such nuances?) but all nations with a language are a nation, which doesn't mean (unfortunately) a (yet independent - but i fought with them and we won in the Baltic countries and Slovakia, wait for Tchechenia! and so many others) state.

although you have a point to a certain extent, the last sentence is simply not true, if you go arround italy and ask people from different parts of it who they are they will undoubtedly say they are italians, just because they speak with different dialects

1) what they were taught to think (i know how education is there, and what they tell you and not) doesn't mean it is true, you can find examples every-f.uckin'-where
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
(now as a linguist i can learn from you guys specialized in Atom energy, or football or cars or mathematics, so be humble and learn too where it's not your specialty)

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive but being called unimaginative, heartless and ignorant seems pretty mean.

like i said Ash Lee, twas not addressed to you. i like you, whatever that matters for, and i do know Barcelona is in Spain (haha) (officially), like some ignorant aggressive put-the-word-you-want-here keeps repeating.
is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice.

hahaha....you're funny.....

yeah, i'll give her that. i even guess she could be nice if she stopped being the bitter frustrated person who takes it on on people with other opinions than hers, and spent some months/years self-analyzing herself. she's such a repetitive... cliché feminist (=female-centered) bigot.

[SamsoniteDelilah]

oh yeah?, so it's all about following what the official version tells you? now that's exactly the point. you should vote Republicans if you're so logical. now that's inspiration, poetry and originality of thinking... :rolleyes:
if you had dedicated 10 minutes of your life to the subject, you would know it's all the conceptual concept here in Europe. but then again, you're just an ignorant new-worlder. so you should shut up, like i would on atom energy.



Adidass,
you're right. like Swiss and Germany? yes, not only language defines a "nation" (can brainwashed colonialists - anti-Bush but still defending the same view of the world - get such nuances?) but all nations with a language are a nation, which doesn't mean (unfortunately) a (yet independent - but i fought with them and we won in the Baltic countries and Slovakia, wait for Tchechenia! and so many others) state.



1) what they were taught to think (i know how education is there, and what they tell you and not) doesn't mean it is true, you can find examples every-f.uckin'-where
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?
(now as a linguist i can learn from you guys specialized in Atom energy, or football or cars or mathematics, so be humble and learn too where it's not your specialty)



like i said Ash Lee, twas not addressed to you. i like you, whatever that matters for, and i do know Barcelona is in Spain (haha) (officially), like some ignorant aggressive put-the-word-you-want-here keeps repeating.
is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice.



yeah, i'll give her that. i even guess she could be nice if she stopped being the bitter frustrated person who takes it on on people with other opinions than hers, and spent some months/years self-analyzing herself. she's such a repetitive... cliché feminist (=female-centered) bigot.
:cool:

[chicagofrog]

and at the same time, is not

[chicagofrog]

:cool:

[Tacitus]

"Physician, heal thyself."

Cunning-linguists, indeed...

[SamsoniteDelilah]

So you don't accuse me of being underhanded again, here is the negative rep I just gave this jerk: "You are pathetic. You take all these potshots at me for saying something that you then admit is only the truth, and then KEEP ON your self-righteous tirade. You've shown everyone what an ******* you are in this thread though, so it was worth it."

[chicagofrog]

so my soul is lost and i have to do the same infantile thing. they female will never learn...
but i'm such a nice guy... ;)

[chicagofrog]

Cunning-linguists

that sounds pretty erotic to me

[criss]

oh i love this thread;)




the funniest is that none of you (us,i include myself) will change your mind

[criss]

like i said Ash Lee, twas not addressed to you. i like you, whatever that matters for, and i do know Barcelona is in Spain (haha) (officially), like some ignorant aggressive put-the-word-you-want-
here keeps repeating.
yes, officially

is it the MoFo here? ever heard about parallel realities (movies? comics? Matrix etc...) that makes the world oh-so much richer? so, there are (at least) two ways of seeing things nationality-wise (you live/se that every single day in countries rich in culture, like here in the old world), the official version, so well known you just needa buy a guidebook to know it, and the other one, for those few deserving. less known (Criss knows it for example, well she's from Galicia.. - but Native Americans can understand the concept too i'm sure, since tis the same thing goin' on) but all the more worth knowing. as someone i appreciate, i thought you could have some sensibility for it, is all. if you don't, well is a shame since i like to share. if you do, that'd be nice..
yes i know and im really happy about it, but i also understand those who cant understand all this, most societies are not educated in this way of thiking, it is even hard to understand living here, just respect each other

[SamsoniteDelilah]

yes, officially


yes i know and im really happy about it, but i also understand those who cant understand all this, most societies are not educated in this way of thiking, it is even hard to understand living here, just respect each other
I live in Los Angeles. If you know anything about Los Angeles and the many cultures that coexist here, then you know that I am not a stranger to the concepts that this rude ass has been braying about. I take no issue with nationalism or culturalism or any of that. He has assumed that because I am white and american that I am small-minded and ignorant. That is BIGOTRY. The problem in this thread is not ignorance on the part of anyone, it is a huge problem of disrespect on the part of the person who has repeatedly dredged up absolutely irrelevant lies, in an attempt to justify his rudeness. Please do not assume that he is in any way correct in his assertions that americans are all ignorant or colonialist or any of that garbage. He uses that to justify his own horrible behaviour. It's nothing more than that.

[Tacitus]

Hoist by one’s own petard, perhaps? ;)

[adidasss]

1) what they were taught to think (i know how education is there, and what they tell you and not) doesn't mean it is true, you can find examples every-f.uckin'-where
2) you say "dialect", inquire! a dialect is historically a development from one language. Venetian "fogo", Genovese "feugo", Lombardese "foeugh" don't come from Italian "fuoco" (English "fire"), they all come from Latin "focus", thus, are all developments from Latin into independent languages, like Spanish, Catalan, French, Occitan, Portuguese... or is Spanish a dialect of French?

hmm...but aren't all italian languages derivatives from vulgar Latin? Italian too? while i may agree with on spain being a multi national country, i cannot agree with you as far as italy is concerned, the difference between them being that in spain catalans and basks and other nations have a distinct awareness of their nationality, whilst there is no such thing in italy, despite the very emphasized sense of regionalism, and to finish this discussion, barcelona is still in spain, until catalonia becomes an independent country, her post was not wrong....

[chicagofrog]

BIGOTRY

after all, not such a weird thing that a nazi that doesn't tolerate any other opinion and is the perfect example of bigotry calls me a bigot repetitively. not weird, since the same infantile character of her reactions makes her do what all children do in an argument: "no, not me, you are an idiot - no, YOU are the idiot" and so on for ages...

plus she never discusses anything deeply (see other threads) with anyone that doesn't accept her principles first, those of feminism included, or whatever else she has a gender-based obsession with, which as a matter of fact should be the reason why people discuss, cuz they don't agree. no, she "discusses" with you if you agree, if not she tears her hair like the powerless witch she is repeating insults and "i'm NOT haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaving an aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargument".

and she's so dumb she proves me right with every action she takes. read the examples i gave about infantile reactions like bad-repping, so-called progressiveness that doesn't apply to all aspects and people(s), lack of principles, and bigotry, read her posts, analyze her acts, and it all becomes clear.

do your brains have their menopause too, Cindy?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

I'm getting PMs from people who are laughing at what a jackass you're being.

[chicagofrog]

hmm...but aren't all italian languages derivatives from vulgar Latin? Italian too?

einh? yeah, that's the definition of all romance languages, like i said. so if Spanish is not an Italian dialect, Lombardese is not either. pure logics bro! or some could call Croatian a dialect of Russian, cuz they'd equiparate Russian and Slavic?

the difference between them being that in spain catalans and basks and other nations have a distinct awareness of their nationality, whilst there is no such thing in italy

yeah of course :rolleyes: . look around a little. i could name you 5 Venetan parties. i can name you the Genovese MIL, the Emilian Libertà Emiliana (that now is in Brussel with the other members of the European independent union), plus so many Sard, Sicilian, parties that have huge success in the south.
plus a nation is not only the political parties you have or even the conscience of the people that are being constantly influenced by the powers that be, especially during education and by the medias. so nation takes other forms too? you know the production of books in Venetan every year? and in Neapolitan, which is much bigger? or in Sicilian or Genovese? you know the first dictionary i found in Chicago was an English-Sicilian one? you know there's a Sicilian grammar in German? not necessarily political parties do all the work that's to be done.
[/QUOTE]

[chicagofrog]

I'm getting PMs from people who are laughing at what a jackass you're being.

me too.

[adidasss]

einh? yeah, that's the definition of all romance languages, like i said. so if Spanish is not an Italian dialect, Lombardese is not either. pure logics bro! or some could call Croatian a dialect of Russian, cuz they'd equiparate Russian and Slavic?



yeah of course :rolleyes: . look around a little. i could name you 5 Venetan parties. i can name you the Genovese MIL, the Emilian Libertà Emiliana (that now is in Brussel with the other members of the European independent union), plus so many Sard, Sicilian, parties that have huge success in the south.

regional parties my friend, regional, plus, the parties you mentioned are fascist parties that would also like a piece of my country. you're behaving like a child towards samsonitedelilah....give it a rest ey? stick to the subject matter at hand.....

[SamsoniteDelilah]

after all, not such a weird thing that a nazi
Hateful, incendiary and untrue. Also, based on absolutely nothing but the fact that you don't like what I've said, which was to point out facts. I'm sorry it upsets you that the facts contradict your "vision", but they are the facts. Labelling me a nazi for this is entirely out of line, bad debate, and rude.

that doesn't tolerate any other opinion and is the perfect example of bigotry calls me a bigot repetitively.
Untrue. I welcome other opinions and points of view. I do not welcome baseless accusations, and I resent comments you have made about americans being ignorant, narrow-minded, nazis, etc.

not weird, since the same infantile character of her reactions makes her do what all children do in an argument: "no, not me, you are an idiot - no, YOU are the idiot" and so on for ages...
You've just described your own actions in this thread. You're right: very infantile, but you don't need to be so hard on yourself.

plus she never discusses anything deeply (see other threads) with anyone that doesn't accept her principles first, those of feminism included,
Where do you even get this stuff? You're pulling things directly from your ass, at this point. I have discussed things with several people here who see things differently from how I do. The threads are still here to be read. And I linked the ones you're trying to cite here and they show clearly that you become an irrational, eye-rolling, hate-spewing moron the MINUTE someone disagrees with you. "See other threads" indeed. I hope anyone who still questions the veracity of all this does see the other threads. And when they do, any shred of credibility you've had with them will fly off to Barcelona. Which is in Spain, incidentally.

or whatever else she has a gender-based obsession with,
You've lost all touch with reality. The women in Barcelona are in Spain. The men in Barcelona are in Spain. Gender has nothing to do with it.

which as a matter of fact should be the reason why people discuss, cuz they don't agree. no, she "discusses" with you if you agree, if not she tears her hair like the powerless witch she is repeating insults and "i'm NOT haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaving an aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargument".
Fun. Are you putting on a play now? This is absolutely unrelated to me, but by all means enjoy yourself.

and she's so dumb she proves me right with every action she takes. read the examples i gave about infantile reactions like bad-repping,
Repping is a system employed at this site by everyone. I'm not the only person who uses it, and I value it as a means of showing whose contributions are worthwhile.

so-called progressiveness that doesn't apply to all aspects and people(s),...the hell?

lack of principles, and bigotry, read her posts, analyze her acts, and it all becomes clear. My posting history speaks for itself, it's true. As does yours, brayingly loud and characteristically unclear.

do your brains have their menopause too, Cindy?Lovely. You know what's great about this, D? You kiss the backsides of a lot of women here, ingratiating yourself to them. How do you think they're going like what you really think of older women, as evidenced by this remark? If someone doesn't agree with your browbeating and lies, then she must be in menopause, hm? Charming.

[adidasss]

^^ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: oh dear god.....i laughed so hard when i read this.....you're so funny.....it hurts...really.....

[chicagofrog]

regional parties my friend, regional
yeah, like in the Spanish state or France, since there cannot be a Catalan, Breton or Sicilian party on that same state level, logically.

plus, the parties you mentioned are fascist parties that would also like a piece of my country

you show here how little you know on the details. you mix them up with a right-winged, and yes, regionalist, not nationalist, party, which is the most famous and that's why you know it without looking very deep, the Lega Nord. all parties in the south i was talking about are left-wing. and so is the Libertà Emiliana which like i said is member of a left-winged coalition.

you're behaving like a child towards samsonitedelilah....give it a rest ey? stick to the subject matter at hand.....

i would if she stopped too. why should i? because she's more popular? yeah well, Bush won the elections too and it doesn't mean the less popular opponents cannot talk, or does it?

[SamsoniteDelilah]

^^ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: oh dear god.....i laughed so hard when i read this.....you're so funny.....it hurts...really.....
Think we should take this act on the road? We'd be like Sonny and Cher, only Sonny has tourettes and keeps calling Cher a nazi. :laugh:

[adidasss]

yeah, like in the Spanish state or France, since there cannot be a Catalan, Breton or Sicilian party on that same state level, logically.



you show here how little you know on the details. you mix them up with a right-winged, and yes, regionalist, not nationalist, party, which is the most famous and that's why you know it without looking very deep, the Lega Nord. all parties in the south i was talking about are left-wing. and so is the Libertà Emiliana which like i said is member of a left-winged coalition.



i would if she stopped too. why should i? because she's more popular? yeah well, Bush won the elections too and it doesn't mean the less popular opponents cannot talk, or does it?
i think we're getting lost here a bit, are those parties you speak off pushing for independance?if so, you have proven your point...i can only speak from personal experience, i've had the privelage to encounter a lot of italians and never have they said they are venetian or milanese, just italian, that's why i assumed that there is no avareness of a separate national identity....if there is, then god bless them and may they one day achieve a separate state, i share your opinion that every nation should have their own country, unfortunately that is not the case nor will it be....probobly ever....i especially feel for the basks, one of the oldest nations in europe and there is no chance in hell that both Spain AND France are going to let them make their own state.....

[SamsoniteDelilah]

...i don't fear anything, if i say something like that, i say it publicly;
Here's the rep I just got from this person of so-called integrity, inresponse to my post #59:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/MoFoKitty/truefrog.jpg


the only time i've been slapped in the face while still wearing glasses was by the same kinda feminist hag.
You must rarely wear your glasses.

[chicagofrog]

I'm sorry it upsets you that the facts contradict your "vision", but they are the facts.

C., i know that, i even wrote it on purpose in one of the posts "to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar", meaning to stress the point where you were right, at least like i said, officially, and relax some tension too, what you didn't get. which post you had to subtlely quote again with big red characters.
calling you a nazi may be exaggerated or wrong, just like accusing a Non-American that criticizes some (or even many) aspects of the US to hate everything American, or someone that doesn't agree with most of the principles of today's feminism with a woman-hater. they're just different things.

do not welcome baseless accusations, and I resent comments you have made about americans being ignorant, narrow-minded, nazis, etc.

i could for example say 78% and i wouldn't feel sorry since tis not the same like everyone (=100%) and tis the same to me in all countries. you're so blinded by the centralized patriotism that corrupts especially your country (see how many young people are patriots in Europe) that you always feel concerned only if it's Americans i criticize, and if your country is criticized by a non-citizen. do i have to become one before i can have an opinion?

Where do you even get this stuff? You're pulling things directly from your ass, at this point.

well i remember to have given explanations without any constructive, or even critical, comment on your part. one thread even ends like that.
i don't call you a nazi because you don't agree, but because the first time we didn't agree (twas on feminism, how original for a woman to get upset on that?), instead of discussing, you just called me a jerk, put me on your ignore list, told me i freaked you out... instead of talking.
and now you just reject everything i post, even the ones you could agree with, when someone has 70% common views with me (like in this thread) you talk nice to them whether you agree or not with their political views. why ain't you as objective with just everyone?
if i bad-repped someone for a post, it doesn't mean i couldn't good-rep him/her for a good review or even just a nice joke, but with you, tis all out-of-your-list-except-for-negative-things. is that fair?

the hell?

okay maybe tis not the same over there, but here people who are progressists, anti-Bush, alternative in some way or another, the rights of (whatever kinda) minorities, etc., usually don't defend centralism, a state-ruled Europe, a neo-franquist government with president Aznar in Spain, etc... i find that contradictory, and amazing.

You kiss the backsides of a lot of women here

i don't do that. i happened to really appreciate some people here.
can't you oppose the views and opinions of someone, even call that someone an opponent or whatever, without picturing and considering that person as totally evil? i know every time your government opposes some country, it presents them as the absolute evil, inventing some Al Kaida, but do you really have to employ the same method as corrupt governments?
typically, you even call for other people's approval, trying to use them against me. me, i just addressed you personally. in a fight, you'd be the kind to bring the whole family against one guy too?

what you really think of older women, as evidenced by this remark

there really are thousands of people like you in Germany and the US, where you cannot criticize Isreal without being a Anti-Semite, no jokes or playings of word allowed about gays, Jews, Blacks, Immigrants, Women, Blondes... but i guess tis still okay to make one about White male non-Jews?
well you see one can make a joke about Blacks without being a racist, at least few free-minded people non brainwashed by the medias still think so. so you defend censorship now?
since you're a woman, i chose an allegory referring to your brain, not to the medical phenomenon of menopause. if you were a man, i would have used an image with senility or some better one maybe. twas for the sake of playing with words, but you lack all sense of humor as soon as it doesn't correspond to the allowed type.
a shame. humor'll be dying if they prohibit anything. and yes, watch British and French movies, you'll know the best humor is offensive. it works even for those who could take offense cuz/if they have a sense of humor.

anyone that doesn't agree with your browbeating and lies has to be a bigot right?

now yeah, i admit some words were too hard in comparison to your post. but not really the idea behind them, since you confirm everything i suspected about you.

[chicagofrog]

Here's the rep I just got from this person of so-called integrity:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/MoFoKitty/truefrog.jpg
You must rarely wear your glasses.

1) why do you silence the fact i gave you good-rep in the meanwhile cuz you did show some kinda humor in your posts?
something i never saw you do.
2) like i said, where are your principles and how are you better than nazi skinheads then?

and like i said, i got bad rep accompanied by the message
(SamsoniteDelilah) die!
in response to a post where Yoda and me discussed things. we didn't agree, but no one wished the other one would die...
is that better?

[adidasss]

and the saga continues.....*runs to get some popcorns*....ok,carry on....

[adidasss]

Here's the rep I just got from this person of so-called integrity, inresponse to my post #59:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/MoFoKitty/truefrog.jpg



You must rarely wear your glasses.
ouch.....




at this point i think i might get beat up by one of yuz for stepping in the middle of a fight....hehe

[SamsoniteDelilah]

1) why do you silence the fact i gave you good-rep in the meanwhile cuz you did show some kinda humor in your posts?
something i never saw you do.
Funny, you think it's good to give someone a note suggesting they get a brain and humor and look at themself in the mirror. I don't call that positive.

2) like i said, where are your principles and how are you better than nazi skinheads then?
You cannot seriously think I am going to take this ridiculous accusation seriously and respond to it as if it is in any way rational.

and like i said, i got bad rep accompanied by the message
"die"
in response to a post where Yoda and me discussed things. we didn't agree, but no one wished the other one would die...
is that better?
I would have thought you had the intellect to understand that your rude, bigoted, anti-american comments would be offensive without explanation. Apparently, I overestimated your intellect. It won't happen again.

I won't be responding to any more of this tripe. You have made countless unfounded accusations of me here, put words in my mouth that I NEVER SAID, called me a ton of hateful names and you know what? Barcelona is still in Spain.

[chicagofrog]

you think it's good to give someone a note suggesting they get a brain and humor and look at themself in the mirror. I don't call that positive.

call it a friendly suggestion.

as if it is in any way rational.

rational is something you stopped being a long time ago.

I would have thought you had the intellect to understand that your rude, bigoted, anti-american comments would be offensive without explanation.

like i said, here's a racist that only allows Americans to have an opinion about the US, only Germans about Germany, etc...

Apparently, I overestimated your intellect. It won't happen again.

oh, how it hurts! :rolleyes:
i never overestimated yours.

plus, this is how you justify everything you do. like wishing someone to die. it's always sooooooo right and righteous, whatever you do, and you must be a god that never commits mistakes? or exaggerates when you're angry?
at least i recognized i sometimes overreacted. you think you're oh-so perfect, hence the "look in the mirror".

unfounded accusations

like the one above? i see it is very founded.

Barcelona is still in Spain.

yeah, and you still occupy Indian territory and Hawai, and Bush is still your president, how convenient.

[Pyro Tramp]

Wow, not what i was expecting in this thread!

From what i've gathered,

CF- let people think what they want, if you've posted what you think is right and people don't choose to accept then it's their lose, you shouldn't need to get as abusive as some of your posts have been.

SD- don't rise to it. You've more than justified yourself against an unreasonable amount of abuse.

It's an interesting topic CF has discussed here, maybe not in friendliest of ways though.

You can dabble all you want though, Barcelona is in Spain. Isn't it?

[chicagofrog]

CF- let people think what they want, if you've posted what you think is right and people don't choose to accept then it's their lose, you shouldn't need to get as abusive as some of your posts have been.
Barcelona is in Spain. Isn't it?

where? hei, we shall know it by now! :p :p
i admitted having exaggerated sometimes. she never did, although she wished my death, insulted me many times (or are her insults invisible, or forgiveable and not mine??), and hated me and considered me the absolute evil the very minute i didn't agree with her feminism, just like that, one sentence i had posted. and i never wished for her to die,
as long as she leaves me alone, i even wish her to be happy, like i do all other people.

[Pyro Tramp]

You just seemed to be outrightly insulting in almost every post. Insulting doesn't really belong in a friendly forum as this, her's just seemed more justified.

[Tea Barking]

This thread makes me yearn for the day of a one world order, can't come soon enough.

[blibblobblib]

This thread is scaring me...

[Tacitus]

This thread is scaring me...

There's a Cindy Lauper song running through my head, and it ain't Time After Time...

[adidasss]

damn you.....now i have to go to sleep with " girls just wanna have fun" running in the back of my head...........thanks a lot mate!

[SamsoniteDelilah]

damn you.....now i have to go to sleep with " girls just wanna have fun" running in the back of my head...........thanks a lot mate!
lol I think he meant "True Colors".

[Tacitus]

damn you.....now i have to go to sleep with " girls just wanna have fun" running in the back of my head...........thanks a lot mate!


:laugh: I didn't think of that song til long after I posted it...

[adidasss]

lol I think he meant "True Colors".
well that's the song that came to my mind......damn it.....here it is again!!

[Aniko]

Well...what an eye full this thread has been.

chicagofrog...I am truely stunned by your appalling behavior throughout this thread.
i admitted having exaggerated sometimes. she never did, although she wished my death, insulted me many times (or are her insults invisible, or forgiveable and not mine??), and hated me and considered me the absolute evil the very minute i didn't agree with her feminism, just like that, one sentence i had posted. and i never wished for her to die, as long as she leaves me alone, i even wish her to be happy, like i do all other people.

I can't believe you trying to play the victim here and pointing fingers at Sammy. You are reponsible for this mess...by posting a dig at her...and then went right into demeaning insults.


now, two real maps for people with more imagination and heart and less ignorance than certain other people:

and...

yeah and people like you reduce the territory of Indians/Native Americans every year (what would please Caitlyn by the way - and she's a woman, so you have to like her) and you just suck. i prefer to be what you call ridículo (like the Galician Criss and the Irish Tacitus) and speak all the languages i do than being a f.ucking ignorant yank like you that doesn't know what language family Emilian belongs to.
plus i am not as stupid as a vagina-obsessed feminist that one had an argument with someone and now will just say the opposite no matter what, you infantile bitch. dya have an opinion on your own or do you just oppose people you decided you hate? you're so ignorant and full of hatred you won't even see the contradiction between being a so-called liberal American and defend a colonialist point of view. get f.ucked and start thinking instead of being the typical female emotional void stereotype you are.

As I read through this thread, I was, and still am repulsed by your hatefulness toward Sammy...just because she disagreed with you. There’s no excuse for you behaving in such an vile and ugly manner. Rape? infantile bitch? get f.ucked? typical female emotional void stereotype? nazi? menopause?

And now, you try to belittle her with your new title... ”Cindy would vote for Franco”. Is this your way of wishing "her to be happy” ?

Shame on you. :mad:

[Blister]

There is too much hate in here, isn't this supposed to be a friendly forum? Some of the behaviour in this thread is just unacceptable, and over a simple matter...i never thought i'd ever see this on MoFo. Why can't differences just be cast aside? (Although it's probably harder to do it now).

I hate people fighting,...i get enough of it at home :(

[Ash_Lee]

Wow, not what i was expecting in this thread!

Join the club.

[Pyro Tramp]

I did wonder how a simple 'off to Spain tomorrow' was getting so many responses.....

Shocking

[Piddzilla]

I can't believe I missed this djangonian thread...

here it is, en even better one that shows that Italy too is a colonialist dream not based on any linguistic reality:
http://www.eurominority.org/documents/cartes/europe-languages-continant.gif

First of all, Chicago. You're waaaay out of line. Really.... But I don't think I need to point that out any further.

About that map. I live in Skåne in south of Sweden and according to that map I am supposed to be in something called a "billinguism situation" or my language is in that situation or something... I speak swedish and so do everybody else in Skåne. There is absolutely no question about that. And I would say that about 0.1% of the Skåne population would want Skåne to be seperated from Sweden. We're swedes and pleased with that.

There are other things with the map I am a bit skeptical about but nevermind.

You seem to be obsessed with this thing that one language equals one nation or one seperate country no matter what. You must understand that it's way more comlicated than that. Take Germany for instance. They speak german all over the place but still the different "states" have a high level of independency. On the other hand, since a language is officially recognized as an "official regional language" (don't know the correct term in english) when a certain amount of people in the region speak it as their first language and when the language bears some historical significance for the region, it is very possible (heard this on the radio yesterday) that turkish will be "official regional language" in some parts of Germany in some years. This, of course, because of the very large number of turkish immigrants. Would this mean that Turkey as a country, in a couple of years, will be situated in Germany AND in Turkey? Using your logic, it does.

[chicagofrog]

hei


First of all, Chicago. You're waaaay out of line. Really.... But I don't think I need to point that out any further.

i know, and i'm gonna try hard not to take personal matters in public threads (especially not my own) any more. like i said, twas not about a different opinion principally. sorry again.

I live in Skåne in south of Sweden and according to that map I am supposed to be in something called a "billinguism situation"

i know that too, meaning that i couldn't find any map (except if i were able to draw it once myself) really corresponding point for point with what is my view of things. for example, i'd add, no doubrt about that, Shetland, which has a strong personality, its own political party (Shetland Movement), and speaks a quite strongly differentiated variety of Scots. they never ever spoke Gaelic, like the map suggests.
i dunno much about Skaane. notice though the sign *, that indicates it's only a "variety" of Swedish. kind of a strong dialect? but i don't know much more about this, my specialty in Scandinavia being Norway. but i saw there was some political-cultural association, somewhere on the net. ?? maybe you know more??

You seem to be obsessed with this thing that one language equals one nation or one separate country no matter what.

i wouldn't say "obsessed". starting at the end of the 19th century, the concept of state-nation rose, and with it the trying to find a definition. like i think i mentioned, it is not the only factor for me either, but probably, considering my specialty/passion (languages), the most striking for me. but of course one cannot deny that an Austrian feels so, even if he doesn't speak even a dialect of German, but real Official-German. so yes, there are other factors.

lastly, tis all a question of 1) choosing the way you regard things. none is absolutely right or wrong, but i reckon it as useful (/necessary) to express the less famous one, that represents a minority, not to be found everywhere in the official version. (i won't even mention the mistakes and blatant lies that sometimes are propagated by that official version). seems to me far more interesting than the version you can find in the next bookshop, or hear on TV (especially that one). 2) tis all virtual. one spends a month in the Spanish state, thinks there's one language, one kinda food and traditions, or at most "regional" variants, me and some others, and i think it's richer, if we travel enough thru that state, see/discover/enjoy/learn about 7-8 different countries/nations/ethnies (whatever you wanna call them). makes it more interesting, all this variety in this world. but probably it's fair that others may be blind to it. we're all blind to certain things.

Take Germany for instance. They speak german all over the place but still the different "states" have a high level of independency

as a matter of facts there are at least 5 languages in Germany:
Low-Saxon ("Low-German")
Middle-German
and
High-German (in German NOT Hochdeutsch, which is the artificial koine, but Oberdeutsch)
Frisian
and
Sorbian (Slavic language of Luzhica/Lausitz)

and for your comparison with Turkish, i'd make a difference between immigration languages, new in the territory (which doesn't mean denying them any rights) and the autochtone languages, that were there BEFORE even the state language (like French, Spanish, Toscan...) was spoken there. a huge difference.

thanx for yr constructive answers, and any info about Skaane is welcome.

[Sedai]

Yikes.



Yikes.

[blibblobblib]

You can say that again.






No go on. Really. Say it again...

[Sedai]

I just want to sit at a bar and enjoy a frosty beverage with Blib...

[Monkeypunch]

This thread is seriously frightening. I mean I've had my share of arguments with people here in the past, but never this angry or hateful.

Remind me to never even mention Spain from now on. heh.