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If this post is deleted then so Be it:
I love everyone of you here: from SB to Holden.
A post of mine has been deleted because I spoke from the heart. That is all I have ever done. I do not lie nor do I try to gain popularity from my thoughts. I understand the deletion , yet I do not. It is not like I was grandstanding, or was begging for understanding. All those who are a Father would understand. If I cannot be accepted nor understood then I am not welcome, so I bid you all farewell....may life be great to you and I love you all .......even you Yoda... Cya in the next plane, I hope there it is okay to vent ones' frustration among family. Peace
LordSlaytan
06-14-05, 02:18 AM
Dude, don't do this.
*sigh*
If you have AIM, talk to me. I have the same username. LordSlaytan2005 on yahoo.
I'm not a father, but I'm the oldest of seven, and as such I've had to play the role of father at times. My two youngest brothers feel a lot more like sons than anything else to me.
John is someone's son, too, though. He said something insensitive and rude, but he could not have known how close to home it would hit some of the people here. For that reason, I don't think he should have had to bare the full brunt of what you had to say to him, at least not in those words. If you disagree, I respect that, but I thought about the decision before I made it, and I have to stand by it.
I am not taking his side; far from it. If you or anyone else wishes to admonish him without making it a personal matter, they are free to do so. But I don't think we should be coming down on him and laying personal matters of our own at his feet simply because he spoke without thinking.
I hope you'll reconsider, but whether you do or not, best of luck.
:) I may be down n out, but I am not "out"...cya round peeps ...I am not mad nor sad...just out:cool: Love ya!
Richard Hell
06-14-05, 02:28 AM
:) I may be down n out, but I am not "out"...cya round peeps ...I am not mad nor sad...just out:cool: Love ya!
I'm kind of confused and sad ..... :confused:
Equilibrium
06-14-05, 03:08 AM
Yoda has this effect on people.
Piddzilla
06-14-05, 05:40 AM
What the hell happened here?
adidasss
06-14-05, 08:03 AM
damn...i hate it when i miss out on the action....i would have loved to know what he said that made yoda delete the post....damn damn damn.....
Pyro Tramp
06-14-05, 08:21 AM
All this talk of actions passed just invokes ones curiousity, this is like torture.....
We allowed to ask for a summary of events?
Anyway, i gather 7thson, you're leaving, t'is a shame, but have fun!
chicagofrog
06-14-05, 08:52 AM
yep, good luck 7thson. bonne chance.
:) I may be down n out, but I am not "out"...cya round peeps ...I am not mad nor sad...just out:cool: Love ya!
7thson, I don't know what was posted and deleted, but I do hope you'll reconsider and stay. I was really happy to see that you were starting to post again. Your posting from the heart is one of the things that's made you a great member. Please stay...we love you too.
Revenant
06-14-05, 11:39 AM
Stay 7thson. :(
Without knowing the situation, it's hard to know what to say here 7th - but on the whole I think anyone who isn't repeatedly insulting or negative is accepted here. This is an accepting place - and you are accepted and loved more than many. You're part of the Mofo heartbeat surely?
From the sound of it I doubt Yods would have censured your heartfelt post in other circumstances - he's not stopping you from expressing yourself necessarily - he just felt it was too strong a response for John's young ears.
Take issue with it sure. Repost under different circumstances perhaps. But don't bug out man.
If you feel you have to, then take care and i wish you well. It'd just be a shame is all.
LordSlaytan
06-14-05, 12:04 PM
The fact that 7thson made it rather public last night tends to make me believe that he won't mind that you guys know...plus, a little support from the people who care about him around here could never hurt.
He just found out that his little girl had been molested and was offended that Johhny made what M. Jackson may have done to little children seem unimportant. 7thson, like me, can sometimes get really offended and go off the deep end. Yoda deleted his deep end post because we all know Johnny is a good kid who would never intentionally hurt anyone here, especially under any circumstance like this one, and he felt that a post tearing into him was too much.
It's really not a big deal what happened here last night, but emotions can sometimes run high when a daddy is hurtin'.
We all care about you, bro. No one wants you to leave. And besides, why pile a whole heap of guilt on Johhny's shoulders? Anyway...sorry if I stepped outta line by posting this.
I am not really angry about the deletion of my post, but it was the truth and smothering the truth is not in my nature. My goal was to try and wave some smelling salt underneath the noses of people in general. The only way I have ever known how to talk is with my heart on my sleeve and to always leave my mind open. The thing that upset me was the way it was stated by some, not only John, that it did not matter if MJ was guilty or not. That is a cold line of thought I think. I thank all of you for your best wishes, and I am sure I will be back again, but I am gonna take a break.
Equilibrium
06-14-05, 01:36 PM
I am not really angry about the deletion of my post, but it was the truth and smothering the truth is not in my nature. My goal was to try and wave some smelling salt underneath the noses of people in general. The only way I have ever known how to talk is with my heart on my sleeve and to always leave my mind open. The thing that upset me was the way it was stated by some, not only John, that it did not matter if MJ was guilty or not. That is a cold line of thought I think. I thank all of you for your best wishes, and I am sure I will be back again, but I am gonna take a break.
I know the feeling man. Sometimes you just want to say exactly what is on your chest. And it sucks even more when you are not allowed to express those worries because of someone else's rules.
I know the feeling man. Sometimes you just want to say exactly what is on your chest. And it sucks even more when you are not allowed to express those worries because of someone else's rules.Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but this sounds like a somewhat subtle attempt to recast your previous bannings into some sort of martyrdom. If so, I'd have to say it's nothing short of revisionism. Sometimes we all want to say exactly what's on our minds. But it's not always fair or appropriate, even if it's understandable.
All you have to do is worry about what bothers you, but it's my job to worry about what bothers other forum members, and that includes John and SC, and anyone else who might've made an insensitive remark without realizing just how close to home it would hit for someone else. Their remarks may have been thoughtless, but they were not malicious.
SamsoniteDelilah
06-14-05, 02:19 PM
Was 7thson's post malicious?
Was 7thson's post malicious?I wouldn't use that word, no. But it was very angry, and it wasn't really about Jackson, either.
If someone had said something like "I don't care whether or not Robert Blake murdered his wife," it wouldn't be fair for one of us who perhaps knew a murder victim to start guilting and shaming that person with our personal experiences and outrage. That's essentially what happened here. John's comment (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=261965&postcount=10) was mostly about our obsession with celebrities, and it's obvious that saying "Frankly, I don't give a damn if he did it or not" doesn't mean he doesn't care about molestation victims. He's guilty of inconsiderate phrasing, but not much more.
If you'd all like to judge for yourself I can post the content of the post, since it's become an issue. 7thson has said himself numerous times that he understands why it was deleted, though, so I'm surprised there's so much controversy surrounding the matter.
LordSlaytan
06-14-05, 02:45 PM
I know the feeling man. Sometimes you just want to say exactly what is on your chest. And it sucks even more when you are not allowed to express those worries because of someone else's rules.Hmm...are you going on again about your, "I hate Israel" thread? Yes, it's too bad that a lovely little hate thread was deleted on this movie forum. Poor you. :rolleyes:
Let's move on. M'kay?
Equilibrium
06-14-05, 02:47 PM
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but this sounds like a somewhat subtle attempt to recast your previous bannings into some sort of martyrdom. If so, I'd have to say it's nothing short of revisionism. Sometimes we all want to say exactly what's on our minds. But it's not always fair or appropriate, even if it's understandable.
All you have to do is worry about what bothers you, but it's my job to worry about what bothers other forum members, and that includes John and SC, and anyone else who might've made an insensitive remark without realizing just how close to home it would hit for someone else. Their remarks may have been thoughtless, but they were not malicious.
I understand where you are coming from. But its stil a grey area in terms of legitimate posting. Thats why we need moderators..so they can judge between what is appropriate and not appropriate. I wonder what the other mods think of this...did you consult them?? If not...how are we supposed to be sure that YOU made the right decision. This is a collective forum, no one person should decide solely what they think is appropriate and not appropriate.
I'm not contesting your authority, i'm just saying the strength of your decision would be much geater if the other mods were in agreement.
Equilibrium
06-14-05, 02:48 PM
Hmm...are you going on again about your, "I hate Israel" thread? Yes, it's too bad that a lovely little hate thread was deleted on this movie forum. Poor you. :rolleyes:
Let's move on. M'kay?
Please don't start. Cmon now, that was not what I was referring to.
*EDIT: not that im trying to cause trouble but reading lordslaytan's comment again makes me realize that 1.) it was a blow below the belt 2.) a bit malcious
dont you think yoda? Or am i just playing the victim here.
I understand where you are coming from. But its stil a grey area in terms of legitimate posting. Thats why we need moderators..so they can judge between what is appropriate and not appropriate. I wonder what the other mods think of this...did you consult them?? If not...how are we supposed to be sure that YOU made the right decision. This is a collective forum, no one person should decide solely what they think is appropriate and not appropriate.
I'm not contesting your authority, i'm just saying the strength of your decision would be much geater if the other mods were in agreement.No, I did not consult them. And they often make decisions without consulting me, both because they know I trust them, and because it's not always realistic to wait for several different people to reply before taking action. And I'm quite well aware of why we need moderators, seeing as how I selected them and all.
You can never be perfectly sure that I (or anyone else) has made the right decision. And even if you are, someone else might not be. There will always be a gray area, and judgement calls will always have to be made, and there will always be someone who disagrees. The only way to stop that from happening is to not have a forum to begin with.
LordSlaytan
06-14-05, 02:55 PM
Please don't start. Cmon now, that was not what I was referring to.I didn't start, bro...you did. That's the only time I remember your stuff getting wiped.
Listen...I have no problems with you at all...I don't dislike you at all, even though I may have then...but don't act like you've been persecuted...PLEASE!
Equilibrium
06-14-05, 02:58 PM
I didn't start, bro...you did. That's the only time I remember your stuff getting wiped.
Listen...I have no problems with you at all...I don't dislike you at all, even though I may have then...but don't act like you've been persecuted...PLEASE!
haha okay okay..i never act like im persecuted ..but seriously man that israel comment you just made was a bit much....
whatever this thread isnt about me..so im done..no hard feelings LS..
LordSlaytan
06-14-05, 03:02 PM
No hard feelings bro...and I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers a bit. Well...kinda sorry. ;)
SamsoniteDelilah
06-14-05, 03:12 PM
I wouldn't use that word, no. But it was very angry, and it wasn't really about Jackson, either.
If someone had said something like "I don't care whether or not Robert Blake murdered his wife," it wouldn't be fair for one of us who perhaps knew a murder victim to start guilting and shaming that person with our personal experiences and outrage. That's essentially what happened here. John's comment (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showpost.php?p=261965&postcount=10) was mostly about our obsession with celebrities, and it's obvious that saying "Frankly, I don't give a damn if he did it or not" doesn't mean he doesn't care about molestation victims. He's guilty of inconsiderate phrasing, but not much more.
If you'd all like to judge for yourself I can post the content of the post, since it's become an issue. 7thson has said himself numerous times that he understands why it was deleted, though, so I'm surprised there's so much controversy surrounding the matter.
I asked because I wanted clarification of what will get posts deleted. It's happened to me too, because I got into a heated discussion with a mod, and he deleted his own posts (he said he was embarassed by them) and all of mine where I'd quoted him or responded. While I understand that flaming isn't desirable, I personally value discussion, even if it is heated. So rather than go to the trouble of putting my sense of things into words (which sometimes isn't easy, takes some time and effort) only to have them vanish, I wanted to know just where the line was.
I'm not second-guessing you Yoda, in case it sounded like that. I don't agree with Equilibrium's statement that this is a collective forum. It's your forum. But I think it's in your best interest to be as liberal as possible in what you allow to be said. You generally do, so I was wondering what was different in this instance. Thanks for the explanation. I can see where you're making the distinction, now.
I asked because I wanted clarification of what will get posts deleted. It's happened to me too, because I got into a heated discussion with a mod, and he deleted his own posts (he said he was embarassed by them) and all of mine where I'd quoted him or responded. While I understand that flaming isn't desirable, I personally value discussion, even if it is heated. So rather than go to the trouble of putting my sense of things into words (which sometimes isn't easy, takes some time and effort) only to have them vanish, I wanted to know just where the line was.I can certainly understand that. It might help for me to mention that there are two ways to "delete" something; I can literally delete it, or I can "soft" delete it, which removes it from public view but preserves it as-is, so that it can be restored at any time. I almost never do a "hard" delete of anything but outright spam.
Deleting posts is very tricky, because if a controversial post is deleted, we almost have no choice but to delete the posts that replied to it (and the posts that replied to that), if only for continuity's sake; none of them make sense by their lonesome. In those cases, though, it's standard to use "soft" deletes. I think that's genuinely the best compromise, so that things can still be appealed, as it were.
I'm not second-guessing you Yoda, in case it sounded like that. I don't agree with Equilibrium's statement that this is a collective forum. It's your forum. But I think it's in your best interest to be as liberal as possible in what you allow to be said. You generally do, so I was wondering what was different in this instance. Thanks for the explanation. I can see where you're making the distinction, now.I completely agree. It's a hard line to walk, but hopefully I'll learn from each instance. Thankfully things are very civil around here compared to most other places, so it's pretty rare that myself or any of the mods have to do anything, really. Just a testament to how great you guys are that a situation like this is such an event.
And, for the record, feel free to second guess me. I've invited a few members to do so on this specific matter, and as I said before, if you guys really want to see the post in question and judge for yourselves, I'm willing to post it, if only because being transparent about the decisions around here has to outweigh keeping the post itself off the boards, in my opinion.
First off, &th, I am saddened, disgusted and disheartened terribly by what you and your family have to endure. When I was 9, My friend and I were approached by an older man from the neighborhood that everyone in the hood knew to be kind and generous to others. He invited my friend and I in for some soda and cookies after we had done some yardwork for him. Four minutes later, The FBI broke tdown the door. They had been wacthing him for some time and three kids had come forward stating he has molested them. We were next, that very afternoon, of not for the FBI. My family and I did a couple years of counseling after that, and the neighborhood was shaken badly, as no one saw it coming, and it turned out he had molested more than a dozen young boys. ****ing freak.
I despise these people, more than most anything. They destroy families. You folks have a long road ahead of you, and my best wishes go out to you.
Next off, I again need to re-state that this forum is available to the public, but it is owned by Chris, and although he is for the most part an exemplary forum mod, I get the feeling he is put into these tough situations quite a bit, and it has to be tough. When all is said and done, he must weigh all the issues and decide how to best keep his forum running for the enjoyment of all involved. Many, many forum owners are complete ********, banning whomever they want, without any explaination. I think I have run across maybe one other forum that has a fair and considerate mod like Chris (Thanks 10k @ MovieJustice). I think Chris does a fantastic job, with amazing patience, I couldn't so it half as well. This site is blessed with many great folks that help keep this place in line. Occasionally the mods are going to irritate a member or two while trying to keep things popping along nicely. The job can't be easy with this many heads hanging out here 24/7.
When posts of mine get deleted, I try to put myself in the position of a mod, and consider why the post, or post-chain was removed. It is usually for a fair reson. And like many have said, 7th seems to be cool with this.
I for one hope 7th sticks around, as he has been here forever....
As far as 7ths post, I totally understand, as I tend to be (like Brian) one of the people around here who go off on people when I get passionate about something. I also tend to have trouble dealing with younger mindsets when it comes to serious political or family issues. If an event happened to me that happened to 7th, I would be tearing up phone poles and beating people with them. A vent session on an internet forum is minor in my opinion.
For the record: I do not have a problem with John, nor S.C. nor anyone else on here (well maybe Django ((yes it is you D.H.)) and S.B., but nothing major :p).
I had a problem with what was said, not what was thought. I know that it was not directed at me. I am still quite stunned about what has happened and I sure I will be for the rest of my life. Nothing is more important to me than my family...nothing. What I said still stands, and although I was a bit too colorful in my wording intially, I cannot appologize for it.
Last night I was torn between going see this guy face to face and beating the hell out of him or drowning my thoughts in alcohol and clearing my head by thinking about anything else so I could cool down, I choose the latter. Well the first post I saw was the M.J. one. Needless to say the combination of the post and my mindset was a bit too much.
I do not want anyone on here to feel guilty about what happened to my daughter, but I guess I did want them to feel guilty about what they said., thats it. There is no big argument between me and Chris, he did what he thought he should and I said what I thought was meritted.
Now I will say that I said some things in a few P.M.s that I really do not recall other than they were probably stupid, at that point the night fades somewhat. I remember talking to Lords' a bit in instant messages and I want to say thanks for the support:) .
I know I have said I was leaving probablly a million times and I am going to take a break after today. I just hate leaving the air unclear. I will probably post a few more times tonight, but I have some other things to take care of in the comming days/months the first of which is to punish someone for what they did...hopefully I can do it the right way and this guy will go to jail. If not then I guess I will. It is funny, I have seen a lot of movies that deal with this problem and when the Father/Mother goes off the deep end I thought that in the same situation I might be more level headed. Shows what I know.:rolleyes:
Oh yeah one last thing: Yoda, dude I made it look like me leaving was your fault, and although you sped up the timming a little I was gonna take a break anyhow so hopefully no hard feelings on your part.
I hope that this break is good for you, and that you come back soon. We don't need anymore names on the list of lost mofo's. Peace out 7thson.
Caitlyn
06-15-05, 11:07 AM
I wish you and your daughter well 7thson… up until about 5 months ago, the majority of the cases I worked involved child abuse/molestation... so I know you have a rocky road ahead of you… and I hope that if you're not already, that you both soon will be in counseling… take care and remember there are people here who care…
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