so i just finished watching "Accepted" and let me tell you it really hit me hard...

off of others input what do you think? isnt the whole idea of higher learning to learn what you love to do?

and for parents did they really learn what they wanted? or were they forced to conform?

I guess thats what i really like about the movie..it shows how society and everything has us conforming to what others set the standards as...

my question is, why? why do we have to conform to what others say or do or think? why cant we all be free to do what we love instead of HAVING to become slaves of school?

remember im talking collage only....up to the point of collage general education is of course needed


collage is all about what you want to do with your life....my parents always stressed to "do what you love to do" but is that really possible?

please your input is greatly "Accepted"

yea i reckon we should be able to choose what we want for ourselves without having to conform to the expectations of others.

I love epiphanies, such as the one you had here.

I remember thinking like this about school. Later, after I got out, it was the job and the gold standard.

That one really twists me up. Sometime way back people decided that gold was to be the most equitable measure of wealth. Nations were forged, history was wrought, men and women alike died all for the pursuit of gold, and for what? It's a chemical element like many other chemical elements and is still only an element of Earth. Is seeking to own this dirt via a piece of paper earned from a university really what we're supposed to be doing? Is it a true measure of wealth or is it false?

Think about that and then think about what anything you own really is comprised of. It all originated right here from the dust. It's the same dust that was here when dinosaurs walked the earth. We've manipulated it in form, but really it's all just dust.

We should start an epiphany thread, I've rampled way off point here.

"Accepted" had a decent message and I had quite a bit of fun watching it.

hey check this out. I found this really insightful passage by John Taylor Gatto on why school has become the way it is. Unfortunealtey this is my second post so I can't pst the link ulll have to copy and paste it.

johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm

and yea i agree gold is just metal and we spend all our time in schools so we can get more of this metal.

Originally Posted by drewfox

so i just finished watching "Accepted" and let me tell you it really hit me hard...

off of others input what do you think? isnt the whole idea of higher learning to learn what you love to do?

and for parents did they really learn what they wanted? or were they forced to conform?

I guess thats what i really like about the movie..it shows how society and everything has us conforming to what others set the standards as...

my question is, why? why do we have to conform to what others say or do or think? why cant we all be free to do what we love instead of HAVING to become slaves of school?

remember im talking collage only....up to the point of collage general education is of course needed


collage is all about what you want to do with your life....my parents always stressed to "do what you love to do" but is that really possible?

please your input is greatly "Accepted"

The movie is aimed several generations below my own so I'll probably never watch it, but since you're just talking philosophy, I'll throw in my 2 cents. The idea of setting up a phony school and all the trimmings to fool one's parents makes sense if you see your parents primarily as opponents, not people you actually care about. And this easy come, easy go phoney college reminds me of those "medical" school in the Caribbean where even a practice cadaver can get a medical "license" or the "correspondence" course where for a fee you can walk away with a divinity degree or learn to be a
veterinarian at home, if the neighborhood doesn't run out of unleashed pets for you to practice on.
The purpose of college is to prepare you for a career not simply provide a degree. Many careers require a license--medical, legal, aircraft, engineering, accounting--where you must pass and maintain certain standards. And because these qulifications are closely checked by government regulators and employers, it's hard to fake.
And in most of the better and higher paying jobs, if the employer later discovers that you've lied about your education, that's grounds for for dismissal. In some jobs you can even be jailed for faking records.

OK, that's why the concept of Accepted won't work. More than that, it's possible to get the career you love. When I was in junior high, I decided I wanted to be a news reporter, go places, meet people, get the behind the curtains skinny on what's happening. But I couldn't go to college when I was graduated in 1961, so I joined the Army. Four years later when I'm a civilian again, they pass the new GI Bill of Rights which provides me with the financing where I can go to college. I was older than some of the faculty by the time I got in college and I was paying for everything myself, through GI entitlements, student loans, scholarships and working. And I made damn sure I got my money's worth, unlike some of the younger students partying through on Daddy's handouts. Anyway, I got the career I wanted and it's been a hell of a lot of fun. But it's not something I'll get rich at, so when my kids were ready for college, they had to work for it too. My oldest son joined the Navy Reserve, decided he wanted to an engineer working offshore, got money from the GI Bill and a little from me to attended Texas A&M and became a damn good engineer, respected in his field. My youngest son kinda loafed through high school. Smart enough to be a whiz at guitar and martial arts but I couldn't motivate him to bring up his grades. Graduated in the bottom level of his high school class. But then he married a young lady who has more than enough ambition for both of them and she got him motivated. He started off going to community college at nights after work, then transferred to the University of Houston adult education program. It's taken him longer but he'll get his degree next month in management and accounting. It's not what I would have picked, but he likes it. My daughter wouldn't even talk of going to college when she graduated because her mom told her she wasn't smart enough. But 20 years later with two sons in high school, she decides she wants to teach. Works two jobs to go to school Graduated at the top of her class with her whole family there to cheer her.

So you see, there's nothing to getting the education you need for the job you want. All that is necessary is that you want it bad enough to work and sacrifice for it.

Sometimes the job you love requires higher education. If you don't want to go to college, then love a career that doesn't ask for one.

Actually there are a minority of schools in real life that adopt a similar philosophy to S.H.I.T.

Here are some of their websites

preshil.vic.edu.au

fcs.vic.edu.au

currambena.nsw.edu.au

To view more websites go to aapae.edu.au and click on the IDEC and Member school links.

From what I gather the students look pretty happy and it seems like a good place to have an education.

I think that generally there is some needed for a basic general education in secondary education. Simply because there can be higher standard to the general education (whether or not there is can be fairly hit or miss). However, I do find that it is possible that once beyond the generals in a B.A. or a B.S. that you can really do what you want in terms of what you want to study. For example, I studied computer science, which is what I wanted to study, at the beginning of my time at college anyways. So in some ways while it isn't as absurdly loose as it is in Accepted, no classes on watching hot chicks, it is fairly close to reality. Also, while in the movie it obviously worked out in a utopian fashion, it would be equally as plausible, if not more plausible for it to work in a distopian fashion where one person could literally ruin it for the rest of the people because there is no structure.