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"Rise ended with the apes and mankind on the verge of war"


Have to disagree here, Rise ended with a couple of hundred apes/gorillas etc escaping into the woods and a still fully populated planet for them to contend with.


More like the beginnings of an Ape civilisation, as opposed to the two species on the verge of war.
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Good work, JD. Nice to see you reviewing again.

BTW, have you seen the previous Ape movies? These news films sound a lot like the last three, to me. That's a good thing, BTW.



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Rise of the Apes was the last movie I saw at the cinema, not including the drive-in. I loved it and I'm really looking forward to Dawn. Great review JayDee and very happy to see you back in action



Yeah, a Jaydee and a damn good one. Loved Rise and rated it the same. I wasn't so high on Dawn like others.
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It's good to see you're back and providing us with avalanches of words.

Nobody expected much from Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and it turned out to be a huge surprise. It's one of my favorite summer blockbusters in recent memory. Now the sequel carries the burden of expectations, which, for me, it didn't quite meet. I still enjoyed Dawn, and it's certainly better than most summer blockbusters, but I prefer Rise by a sizable margin. Nothing in the sequel engaged me as much as Caesar's arc in Rise, for instance.
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Good to see you back JayDee and a great review. You should know that having read my own, that I agree with most of what you say. I think this paragraph hits the nail on the head:

When it comes to blockbusters and their approach to story there are two main pitfalls they can stumble into. They can either go down the route of having barely any story at all so that you have a really quick pace but you don't really care about what's going on. Or they can pack the story and slow down the action to the point where the film loses what is the essence of a blockbuster. Personally I felt that Dawn just had a tendency to fall foul of the latter approach every so often. It's admirable to want to try and give your story and characters a slow build and time to breathe but I just feel it goes too far on occasion, resulting in some pacing issues throughout its first two acts. There is not a lot of development in the grand scheme of the Planet of the Apes mythology and yet the film runs for over two hours, and unlike some films I would say that at times it does feel like it. Rise ended with the apes and mankind on the verge of war, and Dawn ends...well with apes and mankind on the verge of war actually. I do have to credit the filmmakers however for having the confidence that its audience would be able to accept not just such a bleak undertaking, but that it would accept the apes as characters in their own right and their extensive use of sign language and subtitles.
I do feel that despite its blockbuster feel for most the part it doesn't take the opportunity it has to advance the saga in terms of complexity and such, it's a good 'war' film with your usual good and evil characters like Kobe and Gary Oldman, but beyond that, it doesn't really take a massive leap from the series' perspective.

I think I was perhaps a little underwhelmed given all the hype, but I still thought it was a very good film nonetheless.

Just one mistake I noticed though:

Now a monstrous, psychopathic warmonger he is a truly frightening character; arguably up there alongside the likes of The Joker and Loki as one of the best movie villains of the 21st century so far.



Miss Vicky's Loyal and Willing Slave
You are not sick. Sick people do not write Bibles.
That's not a bible Sexy. It's not even 2000 words! I really half-assed this one.

Also just me typing "That's not a bible" brought Crocodile Dundee to mind


"Rise ended with the apes and mankind on the verge of war"

Have to disagree here, Rise ended with a couple of hundred apes/gorillas etc escaping into the woods and a still fully populated planet for them to contend with.

More like the beginnings of an Ape civilisation, as opposed to the two species on the verge of war.
Fair point. I just felt that with apes having risen up, overthrown their human oppressors and the battle on the Golden Gate bridge the war would have been just around the corner.

BTW, have you seen the previous Ape movies? These news films sound a lot like the last three, to me. That's a good thing, BTW.
I've not actually. Despite growing up loving the classic original I've never seen any of the sequels. I got the DVD boxset of all the original films years and years ago but still never got round to them. I do however plan on watching them sometime soon. A week or two prior to going to the cinema I rewatched Rise of the Planet of the Apes and plan on watching all of them in order.

Rise of the Apes was the last movie I saw at the cinema, not including the drive-in. I loved it and I'm really looking forward to Dawn. Great review JayDee and very happy to see you back in action
Wow I knew from before that you didn't like going to the cinema but I didn't realise it had been so long.

I still enjoyed Dawn, and it's certainly better than most summer blockbusters, but I prefer Rise by a sizable margin. Nothing in the sequel engaged me as much as Caesar's arc in Rise, for instance.
Pretty much how I felt about it. It was Caesar's arc that gave Rise its heart, and his relationship with James Franco's character its warmth.

Originally Posted by Daniel M
Just one mistake I noticed though:

Now a monstrous, psychopathic warmonger he is a truly frightening character; arguably up there alongside the likes of The Joker and Loki as one of the best movie villains of the 21st century so far.
You're right Daniel, thanks for that. The part you've bolded is indeed the accurate part of that sentence. Why I threw in a mention for The Joker is beyond me.



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A while back I mentioned how there were a few 70s favourites I had revisited for the 70s countdown and written reviews for. At the time I posted my reviews for Dirty Harry and The Taking of Pelham One Two Three. Well here's another -


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Year of release
1975

Directed by
John Schlesinger

Written by
William Goldman

Starring
Dustin Hoffman
Laurence Olivier
Roy Scheider
William Devane
Marthe Keller

Marathon Man


Plot - Nazi war criminal Dr. Christian Szell (Olivier) is a former SS dentist who committed countless atrocities during the second world war, earning himself the nickname 'the White Angel of Auschwitz.' When his brother is killed in a car accident, a covert US government agency called 'The Division' believe that he will come out of hiding to retrieve a valuable diamond collection he amassed during the war. Following the accident, members of the agency are targeted and killed off one by one. One such agent is Henry 'Doc' Levy (Scheider), who finds himself killed at the hands of Szell, who dies in the arms of his brother Babe (Hoffman). Babe, who up until now had been completely oblivious to his brother's true profession, now finds himself unwittingly drawn into this madness when he is kidnapped by Szell and his men.

I'm a big fan of the 70s thriller. And while there are a couple that I perhaps love more than this film, I don't think there are many, if any, better or more thrilling than Marathon Man. And if this were indeed the standard bearer for the genre it would be a suitable fit as it features just about every ingredient that was so common during the decade; conspiracies, cover-ups, secret government agencies, double crosses, paranoia etc. The story that propels Marathon Man along is really quite preposterous when you stop to consider its tale of Nazis and secret government agencies, and even when it's over you're left scratching your head trying to work some of it out. But the script by William Goldman and the direction of Schlesinger are both so strong that they help to gloss over the fact so that you don't really notice or become concerned by it. Together they construct a series of fantastically tense and suspenseful sequences. In fact had he been able to replicate such anxious thrills throughout the rest of his career Schlesinger may have been able to challenge Alfred Hitchcock for the 'Master of Suspense' title.

Following an explosive road rage incident to open proceedings, the film actually then takes its time to set up the story. Goldman's script establishes the separate story threads of Babe's character, his brother's involvement in a covert government agency and the Nazi element before smashing them all together for the tense and thrilling second half of the film. And as I mentioned these emotions are elicited through a series of terrific sequences and set-pieces. There's a thrilling attempt on the life of Roy Scheider's Doc. There's a highly suspenseful moment which sees Hoffman having a bath when he becomes aware that individuals have broken into his apartment. There is the absolutely classic, iconic dental torture scene which I'll get onto later that is enough to make anyone squirm in their seat. Following a wonderfully manipulative double-cross, Babe's escape from that predicament then leads into a fantastic foot chase through the deserted, derelict and rain-slicked streets of New York. And then before the final face-off between Babe and Szell they are still able to squeeze in another tense sequence when Szell is visiting Manhattan's diamond district, surrounded by Jewish people, when one of his former concentration camp victims recognises him and attempts to stop him. So as you can see there is a whole slew of terrific scenes to get you on the edge of your seat and get your heart racing. And they are all set to the backdrop of a terrifically sinister and disconcerting score from Michael Small.

The real selling point of this film is the chance to see Dustin Hoffman and Laurence Oliver go head-to-head. While it's always a treat to see two legendary actors share the screen in such a manner, on this occasion it goes somewhat deeper than that. With both men being exponents of two very different acting styles it makes for a fascinating clash. On one hand you've got Hoffman who believed very much in the method style of acting, while on the other hand you've got Olivier who was theatrically trained and believed in the more classic, traditional style. As well as just the interest in seeing how the styles mesh, their respective approaches actually work well for their individual characters. Hoffman's edgy, natural style works for his character's bewildered, out of his depth persona. While Olivier's more deliberate, measured style creates a sense of control and calm in his character that makes him unnerving. In fact the combination of the two men and their contrasting styles brought about one of the most famous actorly anecdotes/quotes of all time. On one occasion Hoffman's character is supposed to have stayed awake for three straight days. To emulate this sensation Hoffman did actually stay up for three days prior to filming the scene. When Olivier learned of this his response was the classic, “why don't you just try acting, dear boy?”

Film Trivia Snippets - Laurence Olivier took the part of Szell in part to leave a great deal of money to his wife and children, as he expected to die from the cancer that afflicted him throughout production. He performed the role while undergoing treatment for his cancer, which included heavy doses of painkillers to allow him to work every day. The pain medication affected his memory and at times the actor couldn't remember more than one or two of his lines at a time. In a testament to the actor's fierce concentration, his performance garnered rave reviews and an Oscar nomination and despite working under such aggressive medical treatment, the actor experienced a full recovery allowing him to enjoy the success of this film and a series of leading roles that followed. /// Marathon Man has proved rather popular with the American Film Institute when it comes to their lists. Dr Szell was ranked as villain #34 on the American Film Institute's "100 Years...100 Heroes and Villains" list. The film itself was ranked #50 on the "100 Years...100 Thrills List." And the line "Is it safe?" was voted as the #70 movie quote by the American Film Institute (out of 100). In addition the torture scene was named #65 on Bravo's 100 Scariest Movie Moments. /// Marathon Man was the first theatrically released film to use Steadicam. /// Although he was playing a graduate student, Dustin Hoffman was actually 38 at the time of filming. /// Laurence Olivier was so afraid that he would accidentally hurt Dustin Hoffman while filming the torture scene that he would constantly ask Hoffman if he was all right after shooting a take. As a joke, Hoffman tried to make Olivier think that he had really hurt him by screaming in a very convincing and unexpected manner.
And the trademark scene where they are both brought together is most certainly the classic dental scene. In an effort to learn what Hoffman's character knows, Olivier indulges in some dental torture to get him to talk. Between Hoffman's anguished screams of pure agony and the chilling sound of the dentist drill it's an exceptionally unsettling and uncomfortable scene. And Olivier is so incredibly menacing in the sequence, turning three simple words (“is it safe”) into just about the most unsettling sentence I've ever heard. Though both men may have employed different methods to get there, in the end they both delivered great performances. In the role of Thomas Levy, commonly known as Babe, Dustin Hoffman is just terrific at conveying the character's traumatic and nightmarish journey. He takes him from this initially meek and slightly boyish character; someone so unassertive that he doesn't even answer a question in his History class even though he absolutely knows the answer, to someone almost unrecognisable by film's end. In the film's final scenes we see Hoffman battered, drained and fuelled by anger and vengeance. After what he was put through earlier in the dentist's chair the scene is a great turn-around of roles as he gets his revenge by making Szell swallow the diamonds if he wants to keep them. And in the role of Nazi war criminal Dr. Christian Szell, Olivier just chills you to the bone. Displaying an incredible cruelty, a unrelenting drive to accomplish his goals and absolutely no remorse he completely brings to life this character who is the absolute embodiment of pure evil. The character of Dr. Szell was ranked at #34 in the AFI's list of greatest villains and it's not hard to see why.

While the clash between Hoffman and Olivier might be the main event, the cast's under-card isn't too shabby either. As Hoffman's brother, Doc, you've got a real icon of the 70s, Roy Scheider, on fine form. In fact Marathon Man almost feels like his own personal audition tape to take over the role of James Bond. He's cool, he's suave, he's tough, he's hard-nosed and he's also pretty bad-ass as we see in a rather brutal close-quarters fight in a hotel room which feels like it could have been lifted straight from one of Sean Connery's outings as 007. Further strong support comes in the form of William Devane as the mercurial, crafty and composed Janeway. And while she might be hampered by her cryptic character and confusing motivations, Marthe Keller is able to give Elsa a fairly sensual and seductive quality.

One of my favourite things about Marathon Man is how every single second of it seems to have been shot on location. There's very little if anything at all of sets or backlots on display here. Much of it occurs right on the real streets of New York, with real New Yorkers all around, with the film shooting throughout Manhattan, in Central Park and in Central Park Zoo. It adds a great deal of atmosphere and life to proceedings. The film also utilises some fantastic locations, both recognisable and not, as the settings for many of its scenes; the grand Paris Opera, the columns of Jardin de Palais Royal and the Acro Plaza in Los Angeles really getting across the idea that this is a story and conspiracy that spans the world. And I also love the location they used for the conclusion. The South Gate House waterworks in Central Park may not be the most glamorous of locations but I found it to be an exceptionally interesting one.

Conclusion - Its story may be convoluted and on occasion downright baffling, but that doesn't stop Marathon Man from being one of the most thrilling and captivating films I've ever seen from the 70s, or any other decade for that matter. That arises due to William Goldman's cracking script, John Schlesinger's dynamic direction and two terrific performances from screen legends Dustin Hoffman and Laurence Olivier.



I don't love Marathon Man as much as you or the people who voted for it in the 70's Countdown, but there's no denying that it's an extremely well-made thriller.

BTW, did you ever share your 70's list? I'd be curious to see which movies received your votes.



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Thanks guys.

And no Cap I didn't post my 70s list anywhere. I'll need to hunt it out



Miss Vicky's Loyal and Willing Slave
Great review JD I love the trivia
Susan!!! Great to see you stopping by. And thank you.


Anyway guys here is the list I sent in for the 70s countdown. At least I think this is it. I can't remember if when it came to sending the PM if I slightly altered the order of one or two of them at the last minute but I don't think so

1. Rocky
2. Enter the Dragon
3. Young Frankenstein
4. The Taking of Pelham 123
5. Dirty Harry
6. The Muppet Movie
7. Assault on Precinct 13
8. Marathon Man
9. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
10. The Night Strangler
11. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
12. Rocky II
13. Charley Varrick
14. The Spy Who Loved Me
15. The Night Stalker
16. The Beguiled
17. Star Wars
18. Silent Partner
19. Serpico
20. The Warriors
21. Bad News Bears
22. The Enforcer
23. Hard Times
24. Three Days of the Condor
25. Close Encounters of the Third Kind



I kinda like the Hemingway character. Best thing about the movie so far. But I'm still bored and not fully watching.

EDIT: Whoops. Wrong thread. *leaves*



1. Rocky
2. Enter the Dragon
3. Young Frankenstein
4. The Taking of Pelham 123
5. Dirty Harry
6. The Muppet Movie
7. Assault on Precinct 13
8. Marathon Man
9. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
10. The Night Strangler
11. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
12. Rocky II
13. Charley Varrick
14. The Spy Who Loved Me
15. The Night Stalker
16. The Beguiled
17. Star Wars
18. Silent Partner
19. Serpico
20. The Warriors
21. Bad News Bears
22. The Enforcer
23. Hard Times
24. Three Days of the Condor
25. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
We had three in common.

BTW, you are going to submit a ballot for the animation list, right?