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Why is that ending considered so much more dour?
WARNING: "ambersons" spoilers below
there is still a reconciliation
I certainly wouldn't complain if the movie is longer, but it feels like a full story to me. The script is fantastic. Funny and full of great characters. I'm not doubting you could see where the cuts took place Cob, but you were undoubtedly looking for them. Which makes it a bit easier to spot I would think.
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It doesn't "feel" especially short, but 88 minutes for Welles' follow-up to Citizen Kane aiways "felt" strange.
You don't think the last third feels rushed, Mark?
That part could've used an extra 15-20 minutes, in my opinion, for the film to retain its atmosphere and rhytm. The family's decline and the very ending strongly needed to be fleshed out, I think.
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Love



Murphy has a strong sexual and emotionally charged relationship with his girlfriend, Electra. They invite a third person into their sex lives, unaware of the disastrous effects it might have.

I don't know what else one can expect from Noe now. This is a love story told from the perspective of sex. The sex in the film is not simulated, it's all real. Full frontal nudity from all involved, a close-up of an ejaculating penis (this was shot in 3D I believe) and a lot of melodrama spliced in between.

Are the scenes erotic? Yes and no. They are not shot in a pornographic way, the content is just really graphic for a "mainstream" film. Love literally opens with a 5 minute static shot of two people getting each other off, then it finally decides to cut when the man ejaculates. This film has plenty of male fluids.

Noe pushes boundaries, but a lot of times in boring ways. Enter the Void is visually beautiful, poetic, but dull. Love has none of the visual flare one might want or expect from Noe. This can simply be considered an artful porn flick. Despite that, it does have a sense of warmth to it, which is what Noe lacks in all his other films. Yet those other films felt a bit more engaging.

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There are several movies about what happened and who's responsible for Welles and The Magnificent Ambersons, but I'm not going to go into it now. Needless to say, the same thing can be discussed about every subsequent Welles film.
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There are several movies about what happened and who's responsible for Welles and The Magnificent Ambersons, but I'm not going to go into it now. Needless to say, the same thing can be discussed about every subsequent Welles film.
Can you recommend one of the docs. I would be interested in that.



Why is that ending considered so much more dour?
WARNING: "ambersons" spoilers below
there is still a reconciliation
I certainly wouldn't complain if the movie is longer, but it feels like a full story to me. The script is fantastic. Funny and full of great characters. I'm not doubting you could see where the cuts took place Cob, but you were undoubtedly looking for them. Which makes it a bit easier to spot I would think.
Well, I think it leaves the audience with a completely different mindset. With the current ending I think something feels a little off. It's too dry and even corny in a way. I'm sure the reconciliation would've been done differently if Welles had done that scene (it's one of the scenes that was added later without Welles' knowledge). The last scene that Welles proposed would've also had more of a "theatrical" Citizen Kane-like vibe. A grand finale for the ages...

I agree that the script is fantastic, by the way. Eugene (Joseph Cotten)'s speech after George insults the automobile and therefore him, is one of the best monologues I've ever seen (and there are many great moments like that in it) and the story as a whole is very intelligent and engaging throughout the whole film.

You'll have to believe me that I wasn't looking for the cuts or changes in style, by the way. By the time they appeared I was so engrossed in the film that I wasn't even thinking about the ending being recut by the studio. I didn't look at the time once. I just suddenly felt a weird change of rhythm and style (even Tim Holt's acting became quite different during certain scenes, which was odd).
Of course my foreknowledge made me even more aware of this than I would've been otherwise, but I'm sure I would've noticed it either way. Perhaps I wouldn't have been taken out of the picture by it like I was now, though. You're right in that regard. Luckily there were some scenes (like the tragic close-up scene with the father) that were able to pull me back in a little bit.



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It's All True is about the doc the studio sent him to make in Latin America that never got finished - he was doing this when he should have been editing Ambersons - but they didn't want him to edit it. This Is Orson Welles is a book of interviews Welles did with Peter Bogdanovich with detailed notes about all the changes made to Ambersons.





CLASH OF THE TITANS (1981)

Starts with the right aura, standout cast with Laurence Olivier as Zeus, Ursula Andress as Aphrodite, and Judi Bowker as Andromeda. All for practical effects over digital methods, although they should pull you into the spell rather than take you out of it. Wanted it to be a favorite, didn't quite get there but could have. Fun and wild Greek mythology film, boss Medusa scene, still better than that remake from 2010. Way behind on films I've been watching, maybe one day i'll catch up

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I also felt "The Magnificent Ambersons" was a bit off - but after I saw it and learned Orson didn't have the final cut, it explains a lot. I want to watch it again, but I've been slacking, and have over 100 movies on my list to watch.



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It was abstract with the filming I believe, though it was worth it.



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I'm probably gonna catch some flack for this, but this film isn't as great as people think. The script is genius, sadly I would call the execution lackluster. I never felt suspense and the only times I did were during Mendelson's performance. I found the main kid "Jay" to be lifeless on screen. Maybe I need a re-watch, but I just wasn't feeling this.
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A better prelude with more story than the meandering Turbo-Charged. Sets up what I assume to be the theme of Fast & Furious (2009), the conflict over oil in the Dominican Republic. Doubt the actual movie would utilize it much more than as a plot-device, but we'll see.



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Serviceable enough ZAZ parody that almost makes me want to watch Top Gun again.
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Picnic (1955)




William Holden plays a guy with nothing, who visits a small Kansas town to look for an old college buddy. He and his buddy's girl (Kim Novak) fall for each other. Holden was 37 when this movie came out and Novak was 22. The age difference is not always an issue but I noticed it in this movie. I also found it odd when Holden's character would be referred to as a boy. The first 10 minutes of the movie were promising but it was all downhill from there. I usually love William Holden, but I didn't find him or his character likable in this. This movie was mediocre in every way. I did think it looked rather modern for it's time of release, normally a compliment, but I thought that cost the movie some much needed old fashioned charm. Not bad, but nothing about it reached the level of good.